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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: The Prowler on December 09, 2015, 12:21:08 AM
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Donald Trump, he'd like to build Internment Camps (similar to the Japanese Internment Camps used during WWII) for all Muslims living in America, over the age of 14...IMO, Trump is one of the wealthiest terrorists in the World.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/08/watch-george-stephanopoulos-jaw-drop-the-moment-trump-cites-japanese-internment-video/
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Build the camps.
I don't feel safe when I see them. I saw a scarf-headed woman working at a pharmacy and I declined my prescription. Don't trust her. There are other places in the world she can go to hide her face.
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Donald Trump, he'd like to build Internment Camps (similar to the Japanese Internment Camps used during WWII) for all Muslims living in America, over the age of 14...IMO, Trump is one of the wealthiest terrorists in the World.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/08/watch-george-stephanopoulos-jaw-drop-the-moment-trump-cites-japanese-internment-video/
What's your point?
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He just don't get it. WE, most red blooded alpha males, feel the same way as Trump.
It will probably never happen, but it sends a message to the world. WE ARE TIRED OF THE PEACEFUL RELIGION!
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He just don't get it. WE, most red blooded alpha males, feel the same way as Trump.
It will probably never happen, but it sends a message to the world. WE ARE TIRED OF THE PEACEFUL RELIGION!
Prowler is a Moose Limb?
I had him pegged as a Wicken.
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He's right no democrat would ever ban a people from coming to the US. Or would they?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
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Fantastic work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7vTkbnjJcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7vTkbnjJcQ)
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Go to the first audio. I heard this on the radio. Laura gives him some sound advice, but that's missing from the audio. I feel this guy's pain as I got laid off November 19, so the supervisors could split the fruits of my labor. Holiday pay, vacation pay, everything gone in a flash. To top it off, my insurance ended in the middle of a diagnosis and my doctor was livid. Fuck those people at the nepotistic company.
http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp?dispid=302&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD0yMzIzMw==
Secondly, we have laws that back Trump's position. And the internment camps were built years ago along with the coffins for those MFers.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/immigration-act
Carter used it. And to this day, no fucking Iranians should be able fucking come here because they practice polygamy. I am voting for Trump regardless. I'll edit later.
One of the neater subsets of the 1952 Act barred the entry of, "(11) Aliens who are polygamists or who practice polygamy or advocate the practice of polygamy."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/eisenhower-doctrine
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In the present environment, Trump's proposals will never fly. Let a few more San Bernadino incidents happen. Let something on the scale of the Paris attacks happen here. Or God forbid, let another 9-11 occur and people in this country will truly start to fear for their lives and realize there has to be a way to take out the trash and close our doors. And as much as I hate to say it, it's only a matter of time before all of the above takes place.
GH sent me something on the Quran that I wish he'd post here. When are people going to take seriously the fact that while no, all Muslims aren't out to get us, there is a huge faction of them that want the rest of the world dead? And they have real guns and knives and tanks and everything. And like the Japanese suicide bombers of WWII, they're more than willing to strap on a dozen or so pounds of explosives and take themselves out along with as many innocent people as they can.
Call me nuttless....wait.....check that. But, I'll admit something to you. There hasn't been a time at JHS this year that at some point I haven't looked around that stadium at the 87,000 people and thought how incredibly vulnerable we all are. Who is going to stop someone from slipping some type of explosive into that stadium? Cleon at Gate 12 looking in women's purses? How hard would it be for someone to be recruited on the work detail for JHS or some other stadium, that could get a huge amount of explosives in there and hidden in the days before the game? How difficult would it be to take off from an airport outside of Auburn and fly it to the stadium before anybody could make radio contact?
Look, those and all kinds of other scenarios can happen. They're looking at ways to do it and recruiting people right here in this country to do it as we type. It's going to happen, somewhere, some time. They've declared war on us and France and much more of the free world. And what we'd rather do about it is go on precision bombing missions in Syria so as not to have any collateral damage. What we'd rather do about it is call Donald Trump, "Hitler" or a raving lunatic for suggesting we take the initiative and be proactive about it instead of taking it up the ass. Because IT.....IS....COMING!!!
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Prowler is on a roll.
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Prowler is on a roll.
Broke Godwin's Law. He loses.
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While the Hitler comparison is way out of line, I think Trump is also out of line here. You cannot isolate, detain, oppress, deport, or imprison any particular type of person on the basis that other people like them have committed crimes.
But then again, I don't believe Trump actually means what he says. Always thinking past the sale.
He's already sold it to you. To Prowler. To Kaos. To GH.
Muslims going to and from the Middle East are a potential terrorist threat. Muslims here in America might be a potential terrorist threat.
He says this is a serious problem that can be fixed with camps or something like internment camps.
People respond by saying internment camps are not the way to fix this problem.
And suddenly, people agree with Donald Trump that this is a problem.
Will this tactic of his work to win the election? I don't think so. I think it'll catch up to him eventually.
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While the Hitler comparison is way out of line, I think Trump is also out of line here. You cannot isolate, detain, oppress, deport, or imprison any particular type of person on the basis that other people like them have committed crimes.
But then again, I don't believe Trump actually means what he says. Always thinking past the sale.
He's already sold it to you. To Prowler. To Kaos. To GH.
Muslims going to and from the Middle East are a potential terrorist threat. Muslims here in America might be a potential terrorist threat.
He says this is a serious problem that can be fixed with camps or something like internment camps.
People respond by saying internment camps are not the way to fix this problem.
And suddenly, people agree with Donald Trump that this is a problem.
Will this tactic of his work to win the election? I don't think so. I think it'll catch up to him eventually.
In all seriousness....Trump proposed a moritorium of sorts on immigrants from that region. As in people who are not US Citizens yet on the grounds of safety. His proposal does not include building interment camps.....ever wonder why Prowler references the same bottom of the Internet URL and sources as bottomfeeder, and not a reputable source? Because none of them are true. They are all these moonbat conspiracy bullshit sites who thrive off click bait.
But I agree that its most likely not a smart tactical move for the general election. It is for the primary.
BTW - Carter did this during the Iran crisis. But dont let facts get in Prowler's way.
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I digress. Those moonbat articles are fun to read and as far as conspiracies go, our government is funding and arming the enemy just like the banks did during WWII. History repeats itself regardless of what the mouthpieces say. We have a fucking immigration problem because some unlearned MFer misinterpreted Emily Lazarus's poem at the bottom of the Statue of Liberty to mean every swinging dick and meat curtain in the world. We don't have jobs for these people. But we do have welfare, food stamps, etc. We can end up like Britain if we continue to appease these fucks. I'm sick of status quo and the liberal gop. This has to stop. Here's a good read.
http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=3651&go=4
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Because IT.....IS....COMING!!!
Imagine if Al-Queda had waited until early Feb 2002, to do their attacks, and flew one of the planes into the Superdome during the Superbowl. You're talking 50k dead, at a minimum, and at least 1/7th of the world is watching it live. Or if they had waited until 11am to crash into the buildings in NYC. Guarantee the body count would have been at least triple what it was.
That being said, I don't think you'll see another 9/11 style attack...
Because they don't need planes, and they wouldn't have to go into the stadium (just using Auburn as an example) to do mass casualties, so no bags to show. Fuck, just strap on a vest and go to tigerwalk.
You're absolutely right, it's not a question of if, it's a question of when. And there are so many soft targets. Malls. Movies. Concerts. Sporting events. Parades.
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Imagine if Al-Queda had waited until early Feb 2002, to do their attacks, and flew one of the planes into the Superdome during the Superbowl. You're talking 50k dead, at a minimum, and at least 1/7th of the world is watching it live. Or if they had waited until 11am to crash into the buildings in NYC. Guarantee the body count would have been at least triple what it was.
That being said, I don't think you'll see another 9/11 style attack...
Because they don't need planes, and they wouldn't have to go into the stadium (just using Auburn as an example) to do mass casualties, so no bags to show. Fuck, just strap on a vest and go to tigerwalk.
You're absolutely right, it's not a question of if, it's a question of when. And there are so many soft targets. Malls. Movies. Concerts. Sporting events. Parades.
Gets it.^^^ What happened in Paris? Concert. People packed in. Enjoying a night of heavy metal. Boom. World turned upside down. Could have been 10X worse because they were also targeting the soccer game with how many thousands of people? You think they aren't planning and plotting right now with all the stadiums around the world packed to the limit for football, soccer, concerts etc.?
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They found weapons in a mosques in Paris. I'm willing to bet we have the same here.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/02/france-shuts-down-three-mosques-state-emergency-crackdown/76655054/
Is Prowler one those liberals?
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Trump is not what obummer is.
http://www.popscreen.com/v/9scLo/Lt-Col-Ralph-Peters-Calls-Obama-%e2%80%98Such-A-Total-Psy-It%e2%80%99s-Stunning
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They found weapons in a mosques in Paris. I'm willing to bet we have the same here.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/02/france-shuts-down-three-mosques-state-emergency-crackdown/76655054/
Is Prowler one those liberals?
They hide behind religion and places of worship while at the same time planning out these attacks to kill people that have not done one thing to them. Name me one other group that does this today....ONE. People need to get their head out of the sand. Is Trump a little out there sometimes? Sure...but I assure you he is not the enemy. I think he cares. He just has a strange way of showing it sometimes. So what. Better safe than sorry.
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When will we learn it is not a religion but a political ideology!
One that wants to overthrow our government.
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What happened in Paris? Concert. People packed in. Enjoying a night of heavy metal. Boom.
The Eagles of Death Metal are neither The Eagles or death metal. It's a joke name. I've been a fan of theirs since college. Saw them in New Orleans a few weeks before the shit in Paris.
While the Hitler comparison is way out of line, I think Trump is also out of line here. You cannot isolate, detain, oppress, deport, or imprison any particular type of person on the basis that other people like them have committed crimes.
But then again, I don't believe Trump actually means what he says. Always thinking past the sale.
He's already sold it to you. To Prowler. To Kaos. To GH.
Muslims going to and from the Middle East are a potential terrorist threat. Muslims here in America might be a potential terrorist threat.
He says this is a serious problem that can be fixed with camps or something like internment camps.
People respond by saying internment camps are not the way to fix this problem.
And suddenly, people agree with Donald Trump that this is a problem.
Will this tactic of his work to win the election? I don't think so. I think it'll catch up to him eventually.
Fucking this.
Look, there is middle ground here. You can simultaneously hold the believe that Islamic jihad is a very real problem that we need to take extremely seriously and not endorse Muslim internment camps. Let alone consider any of Trump's babbling to be coherent policy. I take issue with Obama and liberals being hesitant to label the San Bernadino attack what it was, jihadi terrorism. I think we should beef up the vetting process for allowing immigrants and visas. The female shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS and other extremist groups on facebook, lied about her address, among other red flags that absolutely should have been caught and dealt with, denying her access to this country. I think saying Muslims aren't MORE LIKELY to carry out radical terrorism in the name or their religion, and drawing straight-line comparisons to the Planned Parenthood shooter, who clearly was deranged and acted as a lone wolf, is asinine. AT THE SAME TIME, I don't think the proper reaction to that is putting Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Aziz Ansari, and Cat Stevens in death camps.
I said this with Trump from the beginning. There's a difference between opposing "PC" and being a complete belligerent idiotic asshole.
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The Eagles of Death Metal are neither The Eagles or death metal. It's a joke name. I've been a fan of theirs since college. Saw them in New Orleans a few weeks before the shit in Paris.
Fucking this.
Look, there is middle ground here. You can simultaneously hold the believe that Islamic jihad is a very real problem that we need to take extremely seriously and not endorse Muslim internment camps. Let alone consider any of Trump's babbling to be coherent policy. I take issue with Obama and liberals being hesitant to label the San Bernadino attack what it was, jihadi terrorism. I think we should beef up the vetting process for allowing immigrants and visas. The female shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS and other extremist groups on facebook, lied about her address, among other red flags that absolutely should have been caught and dealt with, denying her access to this country. I think saying Muslims aren't MORE LIKELY to carry out radical terrorism in the name or their religion, and drawing straight-line comparisons to the Planned Parenthood shooter, who clearly was deranged and acted as a lone wolf, is asinine. AT THE SAME TIME, I don't think the proper reaction to that is putting Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Aziz Ansari, and Cat Stevens in death camps.
I said this with Trump from the beginning. There's a difference between opposing "PC" and being a complete belligerent idiotic asshole.
I agree with you and THS here dude. You know this.
But lets get one thing straightened out: Trump's latest proposal does not establish muslim death camps. People are taking these conspiracy bullshit sites that Prowler scours at face value. His proposal is online if anyone cares to read it. Not saying its bad or good, and you can agree or disagree with him on the issues all day long, but people inventing this "death camp" rhetoric to retrofit him into what they really wanna believe or for political gain is just asinine.
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I agree with you and THS here dude. You know this.
But lets get one thing straightened out: Trump's latest proposal does not establish muslim death camps. People are taking these conspiracy bullshit sites that Prowler scours at face value. His proposal is online if anyone cares to read it. Not saying its bad or good, and you can agree or disagree with him on the issues all day long, but people inventing this "death camp" rhetoric to retrofit him into what they really wanna believe or for political gain is just asinine.
As Bush quoted "You are either with us or you're with the terrorist." Clearly this admin falls within the later. Breitbart has a piece this morning that actually gives a reason for this behavior. I will edit later. My phone sucks.
http://www.shelby.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2015/12/shelby-and-sessions-to-loretta-lynch-it-is-long-past-time-that-you-and-president-obama-focus-on-the-real-threat-facing-our-great-nation-radical-islamic-terrorism-not-law-abiding-americans
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/09/geller-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrated-government/
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I've got more thoughts on Trump, and I guess here is as good a place to put them down as any.
Brace yourself. This is long.
Comparing anyone to Hitler is almost always a stretch. But with Trump, it's...not as much of one...
I've always wondered how could someone with such clearly terrible inhuman ideas as Hitler have risen to such power? How could an entire country let that happen? Or even Pol Pot or Joseph Stalin or Saddam Hussein? The idea used to be just absolutely insane to me. Then I see what's happening right now with Trump and I totally get it. People are mad. People are reactionary. People want someone to shake the whole damn thing up. I get that.
I think there are several distinct groups that can be attributed to the rise of Trump and his success in the polls.
I think the first group that started his momentum were the trolls. Ironic millenial hipsters that thought it would be funny to see how far the dumb asshole reality star could make it in an actual election. "Maybe he could have Omarosa as a VP, LOL." A few years ago, Howard Stern convinced his listening audience that it would be funny to wreck American Idol and vote for the clearly terrible Sanjaya for the Lulz. He kept advancing. The more and more he advanced, the more and more steam he gathered. After a while, it started becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. Ladies in my office, not originally part of the ironic Stern stunt, started saying "I know he's not your typical Idol contestant, but he's so darn cute!" Which leads me to the second group.
Idiots. First of all, many of them are bandwagoners easily influenced by what everyone else thinks. Some of them just see that he's doing well in the polls and say "Hey, that must be the guy." And some of them listen to his insane blunt macho drivel and think "Hey, he talks like me!"
I don't understand how anyone with a half a brain in their head can see this guy mock a disabled journalist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqtoUFW5svQ
Listen to him discuss lobbyists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfElQgk-NE
Talk about Carson's knife story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGHLN5tIZGk
Let alone anything of any substance he actually says, and think this man has the intelligence required to lead the free world. Let alone just the obvious fact that America will 100% be an absolute punchline. And no, before anyone even says it, Obama has not come anywhere within a country mile of the shame and embarrassment that Trump will bring on our international reputation. I'm not by any means saying he's perfect, but you are simply delusional if you think there is a comparison.
And speaking of "anything of any substance", almost nothing he says is of any substance. He crudely shouts "I'm really rich and really classy. I'm gonna do the goodest job and do it really great. Better than anyone, in fact. I'm just good at being good. That's my plan to defeat ISIS. PS Carly Fiorina's ugly." :blink:
And that's how he gets into half of the trouble he does. He's just a plain and simple idiot. Take this interaction for example. I get the game the press is playing here. They feed him the incendiary quote. I don't like that. BUT, Trump is a fucking idiot in the way he responds and allows them to run with this stuff. Because he basically doesn't have any idea of his own, but basically says "Yeah, a Muslim database. That's a good idea, I'd do that. We should do a lot of things."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4SDWMnjak
Which leads me to my third and final group: The reactionaries. This is the group I sympathise with the most. I get the thought process. I get that the media spins stuff to the left. I get that people are way too sensitive about PC bullshit. Basically, everything I said here applies to this group:
Look, there is middle ground here. You can simultaneously hold the believe that Islamic jihad is a very real problem that we need to take extremely seriously and not endorse Muslim internment camps. Let alone consider any of Trump's babbling to be coherent policy. I take issue with Obama and liberals being hesitant to label the San Bernadino attack what it was, jihadi terrorism. I think we should beef up the vetting process for allowing immigrants and visas. The female shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS and other extremist groups on facebook, lied about her address, among other red flags that absolutely should have been caught and dealt with, denying her access to this country. I think saying Muslims aren't MORE LIKELY to carry out radical terrorism in the name or their religion, and drawing straight-line comparisons to the Planned Parenthood shooter, who clearly was deranged and acted as a lone wolf, is asinine. AT THE SAME TIME, I don't think the proper reaction to that is putting Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Aziz Ansari, and Cat Stevens in death camps.
I said this with Trump from the beginning. There's a difference between opposing "PC" and being a complete belligerent idiotic asshole.
A subset of this group also just want to watch the whole thing burn. They're sick of our political system. They want an "outsider". I get that as well. Then vote for Fiorina who has all of the credentials Trump has, but without being a blithering buffoon and suggesting unconstitutional, horrendous policies.
And speaking of unconstitutional...Look, I am drastically opposed to Hillary Clinton. What part of anything Trump says consists of small government solutions? I want an alternative to Hillary, not a clone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcmiHx5Yf2I
How is that different from Hillary's policy? It's not.
Trump's statement:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVromIrVAAEbvcj.png)
Hillary's statement a few hours earlier:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVromM4U4AQg7uT.png)
The "Muslim database" he endorsed in the video I posted earlier? That is essentially the exact same thing as Hillary Clinton wanting to use No Fly lists and terrorist watch lists to restrict the second amendment without due process.
Here he is endorsing extensive campaign finance regulations:
https://youtu.be/RovV0dNMwFU
Here he is praising how "wonderful" eminent domain is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5deLxTaYVOU
He wants to deport those suspected of being illegal immigrants without due process:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/17/what-can-trump-actually-do-legally-immigration-deportations-judge-napolitano-explains
It was said in this thread that Trump endorsing internment camps for US Muslim citizens was from some moonbat conspiracy theory websites. No. This is him saying it himself on Good Morning America.
4:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nGs8d0dCDs
"You're increasingly being compared to Hitler, does that give you any pause at all?"
"No because what I am doing is no different than what FDR -- FDR's solution for Germans, Italians, Japanese, you know, many years ago."
"So you're for internment camps?"
"This is a president who is highly respected by all. He did the same thing -- if you look at what he was doing, it was far worse. We are now at war. We have a president that doesn't want to say that, but we are now at war."
And finally, I know it's conspiratorial, but I honestly believe Trump is a Clinton plant to destroy Republicans in this election, and some of you are falling for it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/09/jeb-bush-jokes-of-trump-clinton-conspiracy-theory-heres-a-look-at-the-evidence/
Nothing about his policies are conservative. They're just dumb and incendiary. He makes all Republicans look stupid and racist and at the same time, when he ultimately runs third party, will at this point certainly be able to take enough votes away from the inevitable GOP candidate to seal the victory for Hillary. Good job, guys.
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I agree with you and THS here dude. You know this.
But lets get one thing straightened out: Trump's latest proposal does not establish muslim death camps. People are taking these conspiracy bullshit sites that Prowler scours at face value. His proposal is online if anyone cares to read it. Not saying its bad or good, and you can agree or disagree with him on the issues all day long, but people inventing this "death camp" rhetoric to retrofit him into what they really wanna believe or for political gain is just asinine.
I posted the link with video of him comparing his plan to FDR's "solution" for Germans, Italians, Japanese, while praising that "solution".
When pressed, he jumps around a lot and essentially says "No, I don't want internment camps. But FDR is beloved and it was a pretty great way to handle that. Also, I don't WANT to do it, but I think we HAVE to do it as a "temporary measure".
Yes, he leaves wiggle room for his supporters to say he's not in favor of it. But clearly he is.
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Hmm. Well I guess Sessions is falling for it too. Trump held a rally right here in Mobile. I compare him to be more like McCarthy. And I believe the vetting should include polygraph machines. McCarthyism is an approach I would favor because the terrorists could live right next door to me.
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I posted the link with video of him comparing his plan to FDR's "solution" for Germans, Italians, Japanese, while praising that "solution".
When pressed, he jumps around a lot and essentially says "No, I don't want internment camps. But FDR is beloved and it was a pretty great way to handle that. Also, I don't WANT to do it, but I think we HAVE to do it as a "temporary measure".
Yes, he leaves wiggle room for his supporters to say he's not in favor of it. But clearly he is.
Just for the record...I don't want him to be POTUS. Nor do I endorse him. He has some good qualities and I like his bombastic alpha dog style to a degree, but at this point I'm with Rubio, and to a lesser extent Cruz. Otherwise, I will probably sit home on election day. I think Trump has changed the conversation of this cycle for the better. Hes making people be more honest and talk about issues....but with that said, he aint my guy.
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He has some good qualities and I like his bombastic alpha dog style to a degree
Just...what is there to like? I mean, I get being abrasive and assertive and tough and no bullshit. I get liking Chris Christie for that reason. But to me, Christie's abrasiveness and Trump's abrasiveness are just two completely different animals. Namely, Trump's is just idiocy. Trump is Biff Tannen from Back to the Future.
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The only way I vote for Trump is if he's the only Republican candidate left standing. It's not that I dislike the guy or his policies. I just think he's too extreme and rubs too many people the wrong way across the board to actually get anything done if he gets in office. I honestly believe though, that if he had a different temperament, he would win by a landslide.
Chiz, you mentioned the different groups of people who are backing Trump and you're probably spot on with a lot of that. However, I see nothing wrong with people supporting someone because he thinks and "talks like me". And I think most would take exception to being labeled "Idiots" because of it. Would that not be a huge part of why you would support a candidate in the first place? Because he believes in and says the same things I believe in and say? How did Barak Obama, who was probably the only person less qualified than Trump, win the Ovary Office?
Donald Trump is no buffoon. What he needed from the start was a coach, for lack of a better term. He needed someone he would listen to. Someone to reign him in and keep him under control. Make him present his ideas without all the rambling and heavy-handedness. Out of the videos you posted, I only watched a good bit of the George Stephakolopolisaphis "interview". That's the type of stuff that does make him come off looking like a buffoon. Not because of the central theme of what he's trying to say, but the non-stop, argumentative babbling while he's talking over every question posed to him. He's not polished. He's not a politician.
Like Obama, Trump is smart enough to know there's a huge segment of society that he can cater to. He knows there are millions who feel like this country is spiraling out of control in so many areas. Immigration is an enormous issue and not just on the Muslim front. Political correctness has morphed into a seemingly unstoppable beast. Race relations are deteriorating at rapid pace. Many people, including myself, feel that if you're not here legally...then get the hell out. You want the name of a building on campus changed because it's been "Lynch Hall" since the University started? Get a F'n life and get over yourself. Do only black lives matter? How about getting the fuck off our streets with your protest signs, take a look at the real world and address the fact that black on black crime is and has been out of control forever.
Trump is the lone voice out there from a public figure saying those things and saying damn the repercussions. Yeah, he can say it because he's rich and doesn't care that golf tournaments, beauty pageants, entire networks etc. all turned their backs on him. Good for him. Because all the others that want to say those very same things and try to bring back some common sense to this country, refuse to do so for fear of the consequences.
Again, I admit the man is way too extreme. And yes, I hope someone else gets the nod. But the man is anything but stupid and he does in fact speak for a very large segment of our society, not just mindless sheep. He's just not a politician.
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Just...what is there to like? I mean, I get being abrasive and assertive and tough and no bullshit. I get liking Chris Christie for that reason. But to me, Christie's abrasiveness and Trump's abrasiveness are just two completely different animals. Namely, Trump's is just idiocy. Trump is Biff Tannen from Back to the Future.
I like that he just simply believes. He's a nationalist almost to a fault. I think he's a very driven guy that sticks to his convictions. I think he has taken the downfall of America very personal and is mad as hell about it. I do think he cares. I don't agree with him a lot but I have some respect for him in the ways I mentioned above. And to your point, I like that about Chris Christie too. Im glad he has came back around to being the Christie from 2010.
There are times when I think he is on a roll and has people on his side, and then he will go and say/do something and I'm like "Oh Donald, why did you say that? You had it and you blew it...why??". I.e. - the banning the muslims comment, or the saying Carly is ugly, or picking the fight with Megyn Kelly, or talking about 3rd Party if he doesnt get his way (which would be an absolute disaster). I think we need a pragmatic person yet one who also has some balls (that DQ's Snags) and will stand up with some conviction. To me Rubio would be a slam dunk in a general election.
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Out of the videos you posted, I only watched a good bit of the George Stephakolopolisaphis "interview". That's the type of stuff that does make him come off looking like a buffoon. Not because of the central theme of what he's trying to say, but the non-stop, argumentative babbling while he's talking over every question posed to him. He's not polished. He's not a politician.
Watch the other videos. Or really any time he has ever spoken, ever. That Stephanopolis interview was not an anomaly. That is exactly what he does every time. He doesn't lay out any coherent plan, ever. No actual policy. Just a bunch of tough-guy nonsense talk. Here he is doing again to Joe Scarborough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CdCyjDuyxI
Like Obama, Trump is smart enough to know there's a huge segment of society that he can cater to. He knows there are millions who feel like this country is spiraling out of control in so many areas. Immigration is an enormous issue and not just on the Muslim front. Political correctness has morphed into a seemingly unstoppable beast. Race relations are deteriorating at rapid pace. Many people, including myself, feel that if you're not here legally...then get the hell out. You want the name of a building on campus changed because it's been "Lynch Hall" since the University started? Get a F'n life and get over yourself. Do only black lives matter? How about getting the fuck off our streets with your protest signs, take a look at the real world and address the fact that black on black crime is and has been out of control forever.
Like I said, this is all stuff I agree with. No one gets more livid over the PC bullshit like the Lynch Hall example you just cited than me. It is brainless and idiotic. But so is the reaction. This is what I've been trying to say. You can hold these two thoughts simultaneously. That everything you said above is true AND the answer to that is not anything that Trump endorses and he sounds like a water-head. Like I said, talk about actual, specific, constitutional policies to help curb illegal immigration and Islamic terrorism. Do you honestly think that ANY of Trump's rhetoric will help heal race relations or make these Black Lives Matter protesters STFU and move on? It's doing absolutely nothing but exacerbating the problem.
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I like that he just simply believes. He's a nationalist almost to a fault. I think he's a very driven guy that sticks to his convictions. I think he has taken the downfall of America very personal and is mad as hell about it. I do think he cares. I don't agree with him a lot but I have some respect for him in the ways I mentioned above. And to your point, I like that about Chris Christie too. Im glad he has came back around to being the Christie from 2010.
There are times when I think he is on a roll and has people on his side, and then he will go and say/do something and I'm like "Oh Donald, why did you say that? You had it and you blew it...why??". I.e. - the banning the muslims comment, or the saying Carly is ugly, or picking the fight with Megyn Kelly, or talking about 3rd Party if he doesnt get his way (which would be an absolute disaster). I think we need a pragmatic person yet one who also has some balls (that DQ's Snags) and will stand up with some conviction. To me Rubio would be a slam dunk in a general election.
Again, we're talking in circles, but I see no conviction. At least not that he can verbalize like an intelligent human being. I just see cartoonish buffoonery and how he's gonna do a lot of things and he's gonna do them the best and classiest way because he's the best and did he mention he's rich and oh yeah, wicked smart...
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Watch the other videos. Or really any time he has ever spoken, ever. That Stephanopolis interview was not an anomaly. That is exactly what he does every time. He doesn't lay out any coherent plan, ever. No actual policy. Just a bunch of tough-guy nonsense talk. Here he is doing again to Joe Scarborough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CdCyjDuyxI
Like I said, this is all stuff I agree with. No one gets as livid over the PC bullshit like the Lynch Hall example you just cited. It is brainless and idiotic. But so is the reaction. This is what I've been trying to say. You can hold these two thoughts simultaneously. That everything you said above is true AND the answer to that is not anything that Trump endorses and he sounds like a water-head. Like I said, talk about actual, specific, constitutional policies to help curb illegal immigration and Islamic terrorism. Do you honestly think that ANY of Trump's rhetoric will help heal race relations or make these Black Lives Matter protesters STFU and move on? It's doing absolutely nothing but exacerbating the problem.
He's running a Primary campaign right now. Which is to fire off fiery rhetoric to get enough of a core base to win the nomination. All he needs is a solid 25-30% in the first 5-10 states to seal it up. Which is also what scares me. I don't think he can beat Hillary. Then if he doesn't get it, he threatens to go third party, which scares me even moreso.
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Just...what is there to like? I mean, I get being abrasive and assertive and tough and no bullshit. I get liking Chris Christie for that reason. But to me, Christie's abrasiveness and Trump's abrasiveness are just two completely different animals. Namely, Trump's is just idiocy. Trump is Biff Tannen from Back to the Future.
Beta males don't get it!
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Chiz, you mentioned the different groups of people who are backing Trump and you're probably spot on with a lot of that. However, I see nothing wrong with people supporting someone because he thinks and "talks like me". And I think most would take exception to being labeled "Idiots" because of it. Would that not be a huge part of why you would support a candidate in the first place? Because he believes in and says the same things I believe in and say? How did Barak Obama, who was probably the only person less qualified than Trump, win the Ovary Office?
Again, I admit the man is way too extreme. And yes, I hope someone else gets the nod. But the man is anything but stupid and he does in fact speak for a very large segment of our society, not just mindless sheep. He's just not a politician.
He's too much man for the new "sensitive" male being raised today.
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Beta males don't get it!
Cmon now, were trying to be pragmatic here. Prowler's post needed some civility thrown into it.
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Cmon now, were trying to be pragmatic here. Prowler's post needed some civility thrown into it.
Where is Garman when he is needed!
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So, some of y'all are actually going to vote for him??? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!!!!! That's sad.
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So, some of y'all are actually going to vote for him??? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!!!!! That's sad.
Not sure how much clearer I have to be that he is not the guy I will be voting for the in the Primary. Unlike most, I don't make it a secret who I vote for. I will be casting for Rubio....period.
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So, some of y'all are actually going to vote for him??? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!!!!! That's sad.
If the choice is between him and a democrat, you bet your ass.
I don't see society as one big tit to suck off of. And ALL democrats do.
Therefore we have a fundamental disagreement in how government should be run.
I wold prefer Cruz or Rubio, but I do not feel that Trump would ruin America. Like others, I feel he loves America and wants it to be great again.
And I laugh my ass off at those men who see the world like women. The emasculation of America is coming to fruition through the progressive movement.
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If the choice is between him and a democrat, you bet your ass.
I don't see society as one big tit to suck off of. And ALL democrats do.
Therefore we have a fundamental disagreement in how government should be run.
I wold prefer Cruz or Rubio, but I do not feel that Trump would ruin America. Like others, I feel he loves America and wants it to be great again.
And I laugh my ass off at those men who see the world like women. The emasculation of America is coming to fruition through the progressive movement.
uh oh....trubbel
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Where is Garman when he is needed!
Sleeping one off
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I too said I wasn't voting for Trump too....wait. I will if it comes down to Trump or Hil.
My point was that he's bold enough to say what so many are thinking, but afraid to say out loud. Very refreshing.
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I too said I wasn't voting for Trump too....wait.
YOURE A MORON!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA......BERNIEE!!!!!!!!!!!
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YOURE A MORON!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA......BERNIEE!!!!!!!!!!!
Your words are hurtful. I'm going all Ted Cruz and building a wall between me and you and increasing the number of border patrol X3. You are officially on IGNORE, buddy.
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Your words are hurtful. I'm going all Ted Cruz and building a wall between me and you and increasing the number of border patrol X3. You are officially on IGNORE, buddy.
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!!!!! That's sad!!!!!!!!!
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LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!!!!! That's sad!!!!!!!!!
I'll do it. Just you wait and see. Keep it up.
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It will take a MAN like Trump to clean up that fucking godforsakened shithole we call DC. Heads need to roll, and the federal prison system needs new inmates. Starting with Billary and Obama.
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It will take a MAN like Trump to clean up that fucking godforsakened shithole we call DC. Heads need to roll, and the federal prison system needs new inmates. Starting with Billary and Obama.
If you agree with bottomfeeder on this, perhaps you should question your stance.
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If you agree with bottomfeeder on this, perhaps you should question your stance.
I could say the same about grillz.
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I'm going to give Trump a little more credit than just being a fucking buffoon. Maybe he believes what he's saying, maybe he's pandering to a certain group of people who probably wouldn't vote republican because of they feel a disconnect with the Republican Party. I agree with Chizad in that he's a pawn for someone, but I think it's for another republican candidate who probably COULDN'T reach the lower class white demographic that Trump can. I believe Trump will back out of the race at the last possible minute and endorse a republican candidate, and ask all of those who support him, to also support the candidate Trump would endorse.
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To add to what I'm saying, there is a large percentage of white families on welfare. Much more than anyone would like to admit. THAT vote is important. It's the vote that put Obama in office twice. Because they are dependent on the government. And it's a group of people who won't vote for any republican candidate aside from Trump. If the republicans want the office, they have to secure the majority of that vote.
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To add to what I'm saying, there is a large percentage of white families on welfare. Much more than anyone would like to admit. THAT vote is important. It's the vote that put Obama in office twice. Because they are dependent on the government. And it's a group of people who won't vote for any republican candidate aside from Trump. If the republicans want the office, they have to secure the majority of that vote.
Right now Trump is the only one showing he has a pair. I would vote Republican cause we cannot afford another dim in office. Hell, I wanna work, I need a job.
UEI sucks. And I gotta find another fuck buddy too. This one lying next to me is a waste case for the ages. She's fine until she starts drinking, then no one can stand her
Not even the cats.
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Right now Trump is the only one showing he has a pair. I would vote Republican cause we cannot afford another dim in office. Hell, I wanna work, I need a job.
UEI sucks. And I gotta find another fuck buddy too. This one lying next to me is a waste case for the ages. She's fine until she starts drinking, then no one can stand her
Not even the cats.
As much as I despise the Commie in Office that Prowler loves so much, George Bush and Dickless Cheney set the GOP back 25 years.
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To add to what I'm saying, there is a large percentage of white families on welfare. Much more than anyone would like to admit. THAT vote is important. It's the vote that put Obama in office twice. Because they are dependent on the government. And it's a group of people who won't vote for any republican candidate aside from Trump. If the republicans want the office, they have to secure the majority of that vote.
This is a total lie manufactured by the media. The reason Obama got re-elected is that Mitt Romney was too moderate. This led to most of the conservative base staying home.
The GOP needs a candidate with strong conservative values that stands by them. Otherwise, the democrats will win office again. With Islam gaining footing like it is, I don't know if his country as we know it could survive that.
One last question. Why is race so important here? I want a candidate that stands strong in what they believe and nott have to pander to a crowd.
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As much as I despise the Commie in Office that Prowler loves so much, George Bush and Dickless Cheney set the GOP back 25 years.
I agree. And Trump will set it back 200.
There are a lot of things I didn't/don't like about Bush (primarily spending like crazy and expanding authoritarian federal programs like the Patriot Act), but I've always defended him against people saying he was a complete idiot and/or heartless monster.
Trump is literally every bad quality about Bush but in spades. He is the cartoon caricature of what people who hated Bush wanted him to be. He really is a belligerent cowboy. He really is inarticulate, brash, and pompous. And I'm sorry some of you seem to disagree, but he really is an idiot.
He is very clearly and simply a huckster. He is selling drunken burping and farting babbling nonsense to the lowest common denominator and I'm just honestly shocked at how many idiots are lapping it up. I knew there were a segment of idiots out there, but I didn't know it was enough to dominate the GOP primary. What serious policy is he endorsing? Puttin' up a wall to keep out the rapist Mexicans? Denying all Mooslims access to the country, and internment for those already here? Those are pretty much the only coherent policies he has endorsed and they're fucking retarded and impractical. Again, you can have serious discussions on sharply limiting Muslim, or even Mexican, immigration. On all the red flags (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-san-bernardino-shootings-20151210-story.html) our government should have taken more seriously. That is a world of difference from shredding the constitution and basically adding an amendment that says "Fuck brown people, kick em out."
You guys claim to be for small government, at least I thought. That's your main beef with Obama, right? It is mine. Has there literally ever been one thing he has ever said ever about the limits of goverment? I'm still waiting for him to say, just once, that the federal government should not be involved in some issue. Shit, even Bernie has done that from time to time.
Every day it's something new. This is from yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3bGsV2Io_4
Anybody killing a policeman, policewoman, police officer. Anybody killing a police officer. Death penalty. Is gonna happen.
Inability to form complete sentences aside, he's basically advocating for an untouchable federal army. Obviously, cops getting killed is not a good thing. I'm not saying go soft on cop killers, but surely you see that this is going overboard.
It was bad when Obama was trying to federalize the police force:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/05/03/baltimore-federal-drugs-evidence-fbi-column/26830873/
Now it's ok for Trump to?
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We agree on Trump. Glad that we have some common ground.
But I love bush. And you can spew all of the rhetoric about it being genetic, yadda, yadda. Whatever. I like bush. I think you've made a CHOICE to not like it and that's fine. Trim isn't your thing. I'm not without sin. I'm just heterosexual.
Glad we agree!
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I agree. And Trump will set it back 200.
There are a lot of things I didn't/don't like about Bush (primarily spending like crazy and expanding authoritarian federal programs like the Patriot Act), but I've always defended him against people saying he was a complete idiot and/or heartless monster.
Trump is literally every bad quality about Bush but in spades. He is the cartoon caricature of what people who hated Bush wanted him to be. He really is a belligerent cowboy. He really is inarticulate, brash, and pompous. And I'm sorry some of you seem to disagree, but he really is an idiot.
He is very clearly and simply a huckster. He is selling drunken burping and farting babbling nonsense to the lowest common denominator and I'm just honestly shocked at how many idiots are lapping it up. I knew there were a segment of idiots out there, but I didn't know it was enough to dominate the GOP primary. What serious policy is he endorsing? Puttin' up a wall to keep out the rapist Mexicans? Denying all Mooslims access to the country, and internment for those already here? Those are pretty much the only coherent policies he has endorsed and they're fucking retarded and impractical. Again, you can have serious discussions on sharply limiting Muslim, or even Mexican, immigration. On all the red flags (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-san-bernardino-shootings-20151210-story.html) our government should have taken more seriously. That is a world of difference from shredding the constitution and basically adding an amendment that says "Fuck brown people, kick em out."
You guys claim to be for small government, at least I thought. That's your main beef with Obama, right? It is mine. Has there literally ever been one thing he has ever said ever about the limits of goverment? I'm still waiting for him to say, just once, that the federal government should not be involved in some issue. Shit, even Bernie has done that from time to time.
Every day it's something new. This is from yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3bGsV2Io_4
Inability to form complete sentences aside, he's basically advocating for an untouchable federal army. Obviously, cops getting killed is not a good thing. I'm not saying go soft on cop killers, but surely you see that this is going overboard.
It was bad when Obama was trying to federalize the police force:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/05/03/baltimore-federal-drugs-evidence-fbi-column/26830873/
Now it's ok for Trump to?
I can't possibly imagine a more vulgar American running for the highest office in the land than Donald Trump.
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No, it's not overboard. And don't call me Shirley.
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No, it's not overboard. And don't call me Shirley.
Maybe Hillary can love the cop killer to death
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This is a total lie manufactured by the media. The reason Obama got re-elected is that Mitt Romney was too moderate. This led to most of the conservative base staying home.
This is a total lie manufactured by you. Or the media. But it's definitely patently false.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/karl-rove-the-myth-of-the-stay-at-home-republicans-1427930037
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I think we fucking need to get set back further than 200 years. Like maybe around the of the time of the Revolutionary War and knowing what we know now.
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When will we learn it is not a religion but a political ideology!
One that wants to overthrow our government.
Overthrow hell.
Submit or die. That is their mission. And by submission, we must replace the Constitution with Sharia Law.
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So, some of y'all are actually going to vote for him??? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!!!!! That's sad.
What are the alternatives?
Krampus the Bitch from Hell?
(http://www.isthatbaloney.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/hillary-clinton-old-hag-3.jpg)
Communist Doc from Back to the Future?
(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr05/2013/7/18/10/enhanced-buzz-21549-1374157836-4.jpg)
The Frito Bandito?
Izzy from Miami Vice?
Dr. Cosby?
This is the best America has to offer?
All of them are better options than Imam Obama, but only because he actively wants to destroy this country.
But still? How can anybody look at this cast of clowns and not be discouraged over the state of the nation and afraid for its future?
There are no Reagans on the horizon. And even if they were, the media would never let them become president.
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I agree. And Trump will set it back 200.
There are a lot of things I didn't/don't like about Bush (primarily spending like crazy and expanding authoritarian federal programs like the Patriot Act), but I've always defended him against people saying he was a complete idiot and/or heartless monster.
Trump is literally every bad quality about Bush but in spades. He is the cartoon caricature of what people who hated Bush wanted him to be. He really is a belligerent cowboy. He really is inarticulate, brash, and pompous. And I'm sorry some of you seem to disagree, but he really is an idiot.
He is very clearly and simply a huckster. He is selling drunken burping and farting babbling nonsense to the lowest common denominator and I'm just honestly shocked at how many idiots are lapping it up. I knew there were a segment of idiots out there, but I didn't know it was enough to dominate the GOP primary. What serious policy is he endorsing? Puttin' up a wall to keep out the rapist Mexicans? Denying all Mooslims access to the country, and internment for those already here? Those are pretty much the only coherent policies he has endorsed and they're fucking retarded and impractical. Again, you can have serious discussions on sharply limiting Muslim, or even Mexican, immigration. On all the red flags (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-san-bernardino-shootings-20151210-story.html) our government should have taken more seriously. That is a world of difference from shredding the constitution and basically adding an amendment that says "Fuck brown people, kick em out."
You guys claim to be for small government, at least I thought. That's your main beef with Obama, right? It is mine. Has there literally ever been one thing he has ever said ever about the limits of goverment? I'm still waiting for him to say, just once, that the federal government should not be involved in some issue. Shit, even Bernie has done that from time to time.
Every day it's something new. This is from yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3bGsV2Io_4
Inability to form complete sentences aside, he's basically advocating for an untouchable federal army. Obviously, cops getting killed is not a good thing. I'm not saying go soft on cop killers, but surely you see that this is going overboard.
It was bad when Obama was trying to federalize the police force:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/05/03/baltimore-federal-drugs-evidence-fbi-column/26830873/
Now it's ok for Trump to?
Japan blocks Muslim immigration in the name of preserving their culture. They're aware that the Muslim's prime objective is to take over and make all submit. They're not welcome in Japan and the Japanese government makes no bones about being anti-muslim.
Don't see a problem with it.
Every other culture that has made up the American melting pot over the centuries has assimilated. Islam does not allow for that. WE must change.
THEY must go. And not be allowed to enter. He's right about that.
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WE must change.
I stand by silently and listen to many of your non-medicated rants and read some of your Ted Kaczynskiesque diatribes. But I won't sit idly and let you pick on WE!!!
He's different, sure. But what has he done to you? I see no need for him to change.
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Japan blocks Muslim immigration in the name of preserving their culture. They're aware that the Muslim's prime objective is to take over and make all submit. They're not welcome in Japan and the Japanese government makes no bones about being anti-muslim.
Don't see a problem with it.
Every other culture that has made up the American melting pot over the centuries has assimilated. Islam does not allow for that. WE must change.
THEY must go. And not be allowed to enter. He's right about that.
Since we would normally foot the bill to assimilate refugees it would be better to put up some portion of the money and help oversee it somewhere else than to blatantly issue a ban. In other words, offer an alternative.
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I'm not so political but it seems a practical solution at least on the surface considering the fear of having them here. And we are going to send teams wherever they are committing acts of terrorism anyway. So if we help assimilate them elsewhere we can at least monitor some of their activity.
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Since we would normally foot the bill to assimilate refugees it would be better to put up some portion of the money and help oversee it somewhere else than to blatantly issue a ban. In other words, offer an alternative.
Japan does this. It provides financial aid for Islamic refugees. But it refuses to accept them within its borders.
They have the right idea.
I have no problem with any ethnicity, any culture, any individual or any group that wants to come to America. But part and parcel of becoming American should mean that you retain your identity, but also become a part of the culture here.
Immigrants come to be a part of our society. Invaders come with the intent of replacing our culture with theirs.
We enable the invasion mentality. We don't require that immigrants learn the language.
Ahhhh fuck it. The war is already over. America lost.
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I agree. And Trump will set it back 200.
You continually post as if you are so better educated and informed than anyone on this board.
200 years? Really?
People like you push more and more undecideds toward Trump every day.
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If we do get to have an election, trump needs to find a way to reduce spending and pay our foreign debt.
I love Dinesh. He rips liberals a new asshole at Amherst,
https://youtu.be/vWXZ-whusxY
https://youtu.be/WT9K2shh3qk
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Look up the word Hijrah.
Then tell me who to vote for.
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You continually post as if you are so better educated and informed than anyone on this board.
200 years? Really?
People like you push more and more undecideds toward Trump every day.
I'm certainly posting like I'm smarter than you.
People like you (and Trump) push (conservative, right-leaning) undecideds like me away from Republicans.
If you consider speaking as if you're "educated and informed" to be a negative trait, it's no wonder you're a fan of Trump.
I guess you'd prefer if I just came right out and said it?
http://on.aol.com/video/donald-trump-wants-you-to-know-just-how-smart-he-is-519012381
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1506/30/acd.01.html
And I had an uncle who went to MIT who is a top professor. Dr. John Trump. A genius. It's my blood. I'm smart. Great marks. Like really smart.
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2015/08/05/transcript-donald-trumps-speech-in-phoenix-arizona-on-july-11-2015-part-5/
You know, what I usually do because if you really love this country, you have a very, very hard convincing people what you're doing is right and that you're really smart.
And like a lot of us are really smart. I'm like really smart. Went to the Wharton School of Finance. Even then a long time ago, like the hardest or one of the hardest schools to get into. Did well at the school. Came out, made a fortune. Wrote a book called "The Art of the Deal."
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Japan blocks Muslim immigration in the name of preserving their culture. They're aware that the Muslim's prime objective is to take over and make all submit. They're not welcome in Japan and the Japanese government makes no bones about being anti-muslim.
Don't see a problem with it.
Every other culture that has made up the American melting pot over the centuries has assimilated. Islam does not allow for that. WE must change.
THEY must go. And not be allowed to enter. He's right about that.
What's North Korea doing? Maybe we should do that, since the US constitution and historical context of our nation apparently has no bearing on the discussion. Why don't we just do like Australia and ban guns?
For those who are not so better educated and informed, that was sarcasm.
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Look up the word Hijrah.
Then tell me who to vote for.
You people keep conflating me saying Trump is an idiot asshole with terrible unconstitutional non-ideas, with saying that I don't have deep concerns about radical Islam. I know I'm preaching to the choir, and also adding fuel to the flames, but the percentages of Muslims that agree with various parts of Shariah law, jihad, or sympathize with terrorists is alarmingly high. It's not 100% like some of you guys seem to believe, but it's high enough that it is a very clear and real problem.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
Measures need to be taken to do something about it. Some of you seem to think electing the bombastic idiot shouting he'd "bomb the shit out of 'em"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8
...and lock the ones we have up in camps, is the corrective action.
I am aware you'll roll your eyes at this, but in addition to being childish and ignorant, i.e. not real or serious solutions, I can't understand how anyone could not see that all that is doing is stoking the fire. I'm not saying be Neville Chamberline, but if radical jihadi militants see that idiot babbling on about bombing the shit out of them, they're not going to say "Hey, you know how we have that terrorist attack planned? Maybe we shouldn't do that because President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho said some pretty tough shit." No, it is going to radicalize more that are on the fence about joining ISIS. And no, I was not one of the hippies saying that about invading Iraq, or any other middle east policy we've involved ourselves in. But this is blatant taunting and challenging them.
But what should for sure be done, as I said before, is a full examination and revamp of our current immigration and visa vetting processes. Take this article below for example. Again, I know I'm preaching to the converted, but this is a problem that needs to be rectified.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/428437/new-york-times-downplays-islamist-facebook-posts
Take Out Your Red Pens
by JONAH GOLDBERG December 13, 2015 9:45 AM
The New York Times has an interesting story about how the State Department missed the bus on Tashfeen Malik’s Islamist and anti-American social media posts during her immigration background check. Though we aren’t permitted to read directly what she said on social media, she was apparently quite open in her endorsement of “violent Jihad.†The Times reports that:
Had the authorities found the posts years ago, they might have kept her out of the country. But immigration officials do not routinely review social media as part of their background checks, and there is a debate inside the Department of Homeland Security over whether it is even appropriate to do so.
We don’t get much of an explanation of what exactly “appropriate†means, only that the topic is being debated by government officials. It’s almost as if the Times is scared to actually report the interesting facts — what the posts said, why the government ignores them and may want to keep ignoring them etc. for fear of what people might do with the facts.
Then there’s this ending:
In a brief telephone interview on Saturday, the sister, Fehda Malik, said Tashfeen Malik was not an extremist, and she rejected the allegations against her sister.
“I am the one who spent most of the time with my sister,†she said. “No one knows her more than me. She had no contact with any militant organization or person, male or female.â€
She said her sister was religious, studied the Quran and prayed five times a day. “She knew what was right and what was wrong,†Fehda Malik said. She added that the family was “very worried and tense,†before hanging up the phone.
On social media, Fehda Malik has made provocative comments of her own. In 2011, on the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, she posted a remark on Facebook beside a photo of a plane crashing into the World Trade Center that could be interpreted as anti-American.
Social media comments, by themselves, however, are not always definitive evidence. In Pakistan — as in the United States — there is no shortage of crass and inflammatory language. And it is often difficult to distinguish Islamist sentiments and those driven by political hostility toward the United States. At the time Fehda Malik’s comment was posted, anti-American sentiment in Pakistan was particularly high; four months earlier, American commandos had secretly entered Pakistan and killed Osama bin Laden.
I’ve reread this last bit a bunch of times. I can’t quite figure out what the authors and editors think is going on here. The sister, Fehda, denies that Tashfeen is a radical Islamist. She spent a lot of time with her sister apparently. Weighing against Fehda’s character reference? Tashfeen’s Facebook posts, including the one in which she pledged loyalty to ISIS, not to mention the bodies of 14 dead Americans (and a good deal more wounded). So I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Fehda’s word doesn’t count for very much.
This is a suspicion the authors themselves seem to corroborate, given that they found a post of hers on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks that “could be interpreted as anti-American.†Again, we’re not allowed to see the actual comment, but given that it accompanied a picture of a plane crashing into the World Trade Center, and the way the Times phrased all of this, I’m guessing that the proper way to read “could be interpreted†is “only a blithering idiot would disagree†that it was anti-American.
But wait. It gets odder. The Times chooses to end this story with a caution not to read too much into ugly posts on social media by people asking for the privilege — not the right — to move here. After all, “it is often difficult to distinguish Islamist sentiments and those driven by political hostility toward the United States. At the time Fehda Malik’s comment was posted, anti-American sentiment in Pakistan was particularly high; four months earlier, American commandos had secretly entered Pakistan and killed Osama bin Laden.â€
Wait. What? I gather they are saying that anti-Americanism and Islamism are different, but occasionally overlapping things. Fair enough. But they also seem to be saying we shouldn’t much care about taking in immigrants who merely hate America on political grounds. That’s weird.
Even more weird is their example of potentially non-Islamist but still anti-American sentiment: Fehda’s outrage over the killing of Osama Bin Laden. Are we supposed to be relieved? â€Oh, she’s not an Islamist, she’s just furious we killed Bin Laden for nationalistic reasons.â€
So, to sum up. It may be inappropriate to put too much stock in social media posts because some would-be immigrants just hate America for conventional non-Islamist reasons. After all, the woman who insists her mass-murdering Islamist sister isn’t a radical has posted anti-American screeds out of outrage that the U.S. killed an Islamist terrorist mastermind on Pakistani soil. These distinctions really are complicated, I guess. Better government officials just ignore it all.
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I'm certainly posting like I'm smarter than you.
People like you (and Trump) push (conservative, right-leaning) undecideds like me away from Republicans.
If you consider speaking as if you're "educated and informed" to be a negative trait, it's no wonder you're a fan of Trump.
Well you definitely speak "as if"!
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Measures need to be taken to do something about it. Some of you seem to think electing the bombastic idiot shouting he'd "bomb the shit out of 'em"......and lock the ones we have up in camps, is the corrective action.
When you are facing an enemy which is committed to destroying you with no regard for his own life? Those may be the only options.
There is no difference between "radical" Islam and "regular" Islam. Submit or die. It's the same for all.
The radicals go about it via violence. The "non-radicals" opt to do it from the inside and overwhelm the culture, substituting our law and values for theirs and then planting the flag and declaring "America is an Islamic country!!"
It's happening all over the world. Portugal. Spain. Fucking Sweden even. SWEDEN!
You cannot reason with someone who is utterly convinced he is right and eager to die to prove it. You have to kill him.
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When you are facing an enemy which is committed to destroying you with no regard for his own life? Those may be the only options.
There is no difference between "radical" Islam and "regular" Islam. Submit or die. It's the same for all.
The radicals go about it via violence. The "non-radicals" opt to do it from the inside and overwhelm the culture, substituting our law and values for theirs and then planting the flag and declaring "America is an Islamic country!!"
It's happening all over the world. Portugal. Spain. Fucking Sweden even. SWEDEN!
You cannot reason with someone who is utterly convinced he is right and eager to die to prove it. You have to kill him.
I know you're on a roll and don't want to hear it, but in the US especially, that is simply not true. I'm going to guess you've never actually met a Muslim person IRL. Like most forms of bigotry, it's easy to demonize when you have no frame of reference with actual human beings.
My boss at my old job in Birmingham was a devout Muslim. I knew one in college as well. Both great guys. I do not believe they secretly plotted to kill me.
Again I have to put the disclaimer that I'm not saying there AREN'T a sizable faction of that population that DO think that way. Just, again, saying there is actual nuance involved. There are thoughts and ideas between "Islam is a religion of peace and these terrorist attacks are an anomaly that shouldn't be taken seriously in the grand scheme of things" and "Bomb the shit outta ever' damn one of em."
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I know you're on a roll and don't want to hear it, but in the US especially, that is simply not true. I'm going to guess you've never actually met a Muslim person IRL. Like most forms of bigotry, it's easy to demonize when you have no frame of reference with actual human beings.
My boss at my old job in Birmingham was a devout Muslim. I knew one in college as well. Both great guys. I do not believe they secretly plotted to kill me.
Again I have to put the disclaimer that I'm not saying there AREN'T a sizable faction of that population that DO think that way. Just, again, saying there is actual nuance involved. There are thoughts and ideas between "Islam is a religion of peace and these terrorist attacks are an anomaly that shouldn't be taken seriously in the grand scheme of things" and "Bomb the shit outta ever' damn one of em."
Why does no one like the pragmatic, yet tough guy running? If only one of his credit cards didn't have a balance on it.....
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Why does no one like the pragmatic, yet tough guy running? If only one of his credit cards didn't have a balance on it.....
I think you're talking about Rubio here, and he's the only one left with a legitimate chance that I like.
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Back to this:
This is a total lie manufactured by the media. The reason Obama got re-elected is that Mitt Romney was too moderate. This led to most of the conservative base staying home.
This is a total lie manufactured by you. Or the media. But it's definitely patently false.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/karl-rove-the-myth-of-the-stay-at-home-republicans-1427930037
Even if that were true, why is the answer to that TRUMP? He is a fascist Hillary clone who has a big government answer for everything. I keep asking, WHAT is conservative about him? Name one thing besides being vocally hostile to Mexicans & Muslims.
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I think you're talking about Rubio here, and he's the only one left with a legitimate chance that I like.
Yes...but he has a credit card balance and drinks water when he gets hot. What a loser.
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Yes...but he has a credit card balance and drinks water when he gets hot. What a loser.
Also, he and his wife accumulated 17 traffic tickets over their lifetime and has a "luxury speedboat". DESPICABLE.
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Back to this:This is a total lie manufactured by you. Or the media. But it's definitely patently false.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/karl-rove-the-myth-of-the-stay-at-home-republicans-1427930037
Even if that were true, why is the answer to that TRUMP? He is a fascist Hillary clone who has a big government answer for everything. I keep asking, WHAT is conservative about him? Name one thing besides being vocally hostile to Mexicans & Muslims.
Its called being overpopulist...also known as pandering. Bernie Sanders is pretty darn good at it himself.
As much as were talking about Trump (and I dont necessarily disagree).....very few seem to want to mention the Arms Race to give free shit away that Bernie and Hillary have every time they are on stage. Talk about buffoonery.
I would like to hear The Prowler respond to the ridiculous things both of them say/do.
What about Bernie's claim to never take big money or from special interests or from companies, even though looking through public record you will see that a big bulk of his donations comes from special interests, union lobbyists and companies wanting subsidies (ie - American Crystal Sugar Corp). Or then the big elephant in the room that its voodoo economics. Someone's taxes WILL go up to pay for it. More than likely, any household they deem rich, which is usually around 90K and up. But sheep will fall for a gold covered carrot everytime.
And what about Hillary and her scandals that are too numerous to list? Unlike what Bernie said in the Dem Debate, her emails are a big deal. Classified information was at stake. Now, she has a new scandal brewing where she gave kickbacks to her son in law's off shore mining company. She is a fucking Clinton. Old, stale and full of scandal.
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Its called being overpopulist...also known as pandering. Bernie Sanders is pretty darn good at it himself.
As much as were talking about Trump (and I dont necessarily disagree).....very few seem to want to mention the Arms Race to give free shit away that Bernie and Hillary have every time they are on stage. Talk about buffoonery.
I would like to hear The Prowler respond to the ridiculous things both of them say/do.
What about Bernie's claim to never take big money or from special interests or from companies, even though looking through public record you will see that a big bulk of his donations comes from special interests, union lobbyists and companies wanting subsidies (ie - American Crystal Sugar Corp). Or then the big elephant in the room that its voodoo economics. Someone's taxes WILL go up to pay for it. More than likely, any household they deem rich, which is usually around 90K and up. But sheep will fall for a gold covered carrot everytime.
And what about Hillary and her scandals that are too numerous to list? Unlike what Bernie said in the Dem Debate, her emails are a big deal. Classified information was at stake. Now, she has a new scandal brewing where she gave kickbacks to her son in law's off shore mining company. She is a fucking Clinton. Old, stale and full of scandal.
Everything I've said about Trump and his naive "not real or serious" ideas, also applies to Bernie.
Everything I've said about being a fascist who thinks the solution to every problem is more government and less individual liberty, also applies to Hillary, and to a certain degree Bernie.
I want someone on the right who is not a clown who can beat them. I want Rubio. Or Paul, or Fiorina, or Kasich, or even Bush if it's not too late for them, although I suspect it is.
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I'm not alone on this.
Vote for Rubio if you want any chance whatsoever of not having Hillary Clinton be the next president of the United States.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-poll-clinton-would-trounce-trump-lose-rubio-carson-n478676
Clinton 50%, Trump 40%
Clinton 48%, Cruz 45%
Carson 47%, Clinton 46%.
Rubio 48%, Clinton 45%
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Well, I still like Carson but not in a Presidential role. I can't stand Trump, period but I'd rather him than either of the two Dems running. That is sad to say. I am hoping for a miracle here but I am afraid America is too damn stupid. The last several months I have slowly like Cruz more. At first, he just came across as an educated cars salesman but reading more about him, I have learned he actually works his ass off trying to make things right as best he can instead sitting behind his desk and drawing cartoons like more of these clowns in Washington. I also really like Rubio for the same as mentioned. These are really the only two that I could see as Prez without feeling embarrassed.
Nice short read on a response from Cruz after a little jab from trump.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/ted-cruz-just-fired-back-in-the-perfect-way-after-trump-called-him-a-maniac/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2015-12-14&utm_campaign=manualpost
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Yes, bomb the shit out of them. I watched Frontline last night and the POTUS really screwed up by pulling out of Iraq. Our problem today is stopping ISIS from taking this country in what they call "caliphate". There was march in Detroit (12-05-2015) where the ISIS flag was carried. We have a real problem and Bush was both right and wrong. Wrong for invading Iraq (Saddam had the terrorists under control). Right, in that, we would be there for a long, long time. The Baath party leads ISIS. Saddam's leaders have taken back their country and are intent on taking the entire region plus Europe and the US. It seems we are entering WWIII gentlemen. How do we stop this shit?
https://youtu.be/wdU1UiDJ6OE
The photo was taken on 12-05-2015. Those are ISIS flags. We're in a world of shit folks.
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I'm not alone on this.
Vote for Rubio if you want any chance whatsoever of not having Hillary Clinton be the next president of the United States.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-poll-clinton-would-trounce-trump-lose-rubio-carson-n478676
Clinton 50%, Trump 40%
Clinton 48%, Cruz 45%
Carson 47%, Clinton 46%.
Rubio 48%, Clinton 45%
I don't believe that poll at all.
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I don't believe that poll at all.
I do.
Trump is very polarizing whether you like him or not. So is Bernie. They wouldnt do as well in general elections.
I like Rubio, then Paul, then Cruz. In that order. I can't see myself getting behind anyone else. Of course as many have stated, I would probably vote for ANY of them over the Dem side if it comes down to it, but I really hate the "lesser of 2 evils" decision.
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I don't believe that poll at all.
ME EITHER.
I mean, by all means believe everything on InfoWars and a grand conspiracy by the Illuminati, but not a NBC/Wall Street Journal opinion poll...
(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/realadam/tin3.jpg)
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ME EITHER.
I mean, by all means believe everything on InfoWars and a grand conspiracy by the Illuminati, but not a NBC/Wall Street Journal opinion poll...
(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/realadam/tin3.jpg)
I was thinking...
(http://www.carterburwell.com/graphics/Project_Images/Conspiracy_Theory_Images/CT_Mel-CrazyEyes_500p.jpg)
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I want someone on the right who is not a clown who can beat them. I want Rubio. Or Paul, or Fiorina, or Kasich, or even Bush if it's not too late for them, although I suspect it is.
The ONLY one out of that list who is even viable is Rubio. The rest are just as bad as what we have currently.
Paul is a whackadoodle and Fiornia has not done anything in the business world to make me believe she would be a good president.
Anybody who would advocate for Bush or Kasich is someone I would not even have a conversation with.
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Anybody who would advocate for Bush or Kasich is someone I would not even have a conversation with.
I love Bush and Kasich. They are tied at the top for me.
Yep, they are the best for the job alright. Would vote for either, early and often.
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I know you're on a roll and don't want to hear it, but in the US especially, that is simply not true. I'm going to guess you've never actually met a Muslim person IRL. Like most forms of bigotry, it's easy to demonize when you have no frame of reference with actual human beings.
My boss at my old job in Birmingham was a devout Muslim. I knew one in college as well. Both great guys. I do not believe they secretly plotted to kill me.
Again I have to put the disclaimer that I'm not saying there AREN'T a sizable faction of that population that DO think that way. Just, again, saying there is actual nuance involved. There are thoughts and ideas between "Islam is a religion of peace and these terrorist attacks are an anomaly that shouldn't be taken seriously in the grand scheme of things" and "Bomb the shit outta ever' damn one of em."
My daughter's friend is Islamic. I've eaten at their house many times. Her father and I have discussed it. He is an engineer. Educated here. And yet he thinks this country should adopt Islamic law. He thinks we are out of control and that allah will bring us down. He sees a day when this country and all the world will be under Islamic rule. Then we will all prosper as we live according to the will of Allah.
Does he specifically want to kill me? Don't think so. Would be stop someone from killing me in the name of allah? Not as sure. Would he celebrate the establishment of the American caliphate? Why yes. Yes he would. They "assimilate" in no real way. They maintain their own culture.
And here's the thing. If we can save this country by sending him back to Pakistan of Syria? I'd have to be for that. I hate it. And my daughter disagrees. But I choose country first.
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My daughter's friend is Islamic. I've eaten at their house many times. Her father and I have discussed it. He is an engineer. Educated here. And yet he thinks this country should adopt Islamic law. He thinks we are out of control and that allah will bring us down. He sees a day when this country and all the world will be under Islamic rule. Then we will all prosper as we live according to the will of Allah.
Does he specifically want to kill me? Don't think so. Would be stop someone from killing me in the name of allah? Not as sure. Would he celebrate the establishment of the American caliphate? Why yes. Yes he would. They "assimilate" in no real way. They maintain their own culture.
And here's the thing. If we can save this country by sending him back to Pakistan of Syria? I'd have to be for that. I hate it. And my daughter disagrees. But I choose country first.
If true, he is one of the crazy ones I'm talking about. Not the majority in this country, anyway. Has your daughter's friend ever expressed similar sentiments?
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If true, he is one of the crazy ones I'm talking about. Not the majority in this country, anyway. Has your daughter's friend ever expressed similar sentiments?
I believe you're wrong. I believe they all feel this way. Some are more willing to express it than others. It's a major part of the religion. It's what they are instructed to do. If your friends are devout as you say? There's a part of them that wants you to bow to their ways. If you don't..... then die.
We took the daughter to the beach with us -- her parents said it was okay. She borrowed a pair of shorts to wear. A photo of her was taken by my daughter and posted to snap chat or tweeter or something. The parents freaked out. We can't take her anywhere any longer. Not long after -- and maybe coincidentally --she was taken out of school and is now homeschooled.
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The daughter sounds like a typical American Muslim.
The parents sound like Islamists. Not necessarily radicalized, but potential to become so. I would not hang out with those people.
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The daughter sounds like a typical American Muslim.
The parents sound like Islamists. Not necessarily radicalized, but potential to become so. I would not hang out with those people.
But they are more the norm, not the exception. To believe otherwise is to wake up only when it's too late!
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Oh yea I almost forgot, it's all Bush's fault, lol. And Obama. Hell, I wonder if the entire clusterfuck over there wasn't intentional. I mean hell, no one can be that stoopid. The sorry asses didn't take the advice that given to them. So, they ALL get a big fucking a FAIL. Troop numbers were low going in and didn't have a fucking plan. Fucking idiots.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/losing-iraq/
It's unfuckable now, that is absent neutron bombing their asses.
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Oh yea I almost forgot, it's all Bush's fault, lol. And Obama. Hell, I wonder if the entire clusterfuck over there wasn't intentional. I mean hell, no one can be that stoopid. The sorry asses didn't take the advice that given to them. So, they ALL get a big fucking a FAIL. Troop numbers were low going in and didn't have a fucking plan. Fucking idiots.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/losing-iraq/
It's unfuckable now, that is absent neutron bombing their asses.
Yeah, man.
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If true, he is one of the crazy ones I'm talking about. Not the majority in this country, anyway. Has your daughter's friend ever expressed similar sentiments?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1XQHDcDqU8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1XQHDcDqU8)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1XQHDcDqU8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1XQHDcDqU8)
I agree with all of this.
I posted this earlier. The numbers are alarming.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
But it's inaccurate to say that the MAJORITY, meaning more than 50%, of AMERICAN Muslims are extremists.
Islam is in bad need of a reformation like Christianity went through after the Middle Ages.
I never in any way said that ISIS is not Islamic. I said over and over and over again that the truth is between people saying that bullshit and people saying every Muslim is out to wage jihad. I don't know if some of you aren't reading what I'm saying or just incapable of comprehending nuanced arguments that aren't stark black & white.
This is a really good piece I just happened to read this morning that I think describes it pretty well. But it's more nuanced than "Bomb the Shit out of em" or "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam", so...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/the-new-center-between-th_b_8778908.html
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I agree with all of this.
I posted this earlier. The numbers are alarming.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
But it's inaccurate to say that the MAJORITY, meaning more than 50%, of AMERICAN Muslims are extremists.
Islam is in bad need of a reformation like Christianity went through after the Middle Ages.
I never in any way said that ISIS is not Islamic. I said over and over and over again that the truth is between people saying that bullshit and people saying every Muslim is out to wage jihad. I don't know if some of you aren't reading what I'm saying or just incapable of comprehending nuanced arguments that aren't stark black & white.
This is a really good piece I just happened to read this morning that I think describes it pretty well. But it's more nuanced than "Bomb the Shit out of em" or "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam", so...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/the-new-center-between-th_b_8778908.html
In Fishburne voice....
What if I told you.....that muslim extremists have been around since the start of the middle ages.
Theyve been at this for 1400 years. Actually, you can google or wikipedia Muslim Conquests and youll get a nice laundry list of them all, spanning from Europe to the Middle East to Africa and all places in between. The entire point of their "prophet" was to promote this stuff. I truly believe that after readng his ideas and commands, and the Quaran. They are built on this very pillar. Some of them today MAY be peaceful people in general, but this hate/conquest mentality is at their core.
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Meanwhile, back to Trump...
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-audience-member-yells-nazi-salute-protester-removed-las-vegas-n480056
Trump Audience Member Yells Nazi Salute as Protester Removed From Las Vegas Rally
by BENJY SARLIN
Some Donald Trump supporters attending the Republican presidential candidate's rally in Las Vegas on the eve of the next GOP debate treated protesters with unusual hatred Monday night.
Trump was interrupted several times by Black Lives Matter protesters, prompting a furious reaction from the crowd. Some screamed, pointed, and at one point shoved a heckler as hotel security swooped in to remove them.
As one man was dragged away, Trump supporters variously yelled, "Shoot him!" "Kick his ass," and "Light the motherf----r on fire!"
A large middle aged man shouted, "Sieg heil!" — a Nazi Germany-era salute — as the protester was taken away.
"He's a Muslim!" another man in a glittering black suit shouted as another protester was removed. "He's a Muslim!"
Trump took the interruptions in stride and complained that they were the only way to get media outlets to turn their cameras towards his crowds to show off their size.
The confrontation at Trump's rally comes on the eve of the final televised prime time Republican presidential debate of the year. Trump, who is the GOP field's front runner according to a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, is expected to be a target once again when nine top Republican candidates take the stage in Las Vegas Tuesday night.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/trump-campaign-rally-erupts-in-chaos-and-ugly-confrontation
Physical altercations between protesters, security, and the occasional tough-guy supporter have been a running theme in Trump’s combative campaign this year — but Monday night was different. Reporters who regularly cover Trump said they had never seen anything like the fevered, frenzied mood that gripped the ballroom in Las Vegas.
With the candidate’s ever darkening political style seeming to grow more perversely effective by the day, his grassroots opponents on the left are becoming more defiant and effective at causing trouble. Activists interrupted Trump at least half a dozen times at the event — and the longer the night wore on, the more crazed many in the crowd seemed to get.
One after another, protesters were forcibly dragged from the ballroom — limbs flailing, torsos twisting in resistance — while wild-eyed Trump supporters spewed abuse and calls to violence.
“Kick his ass!†yelled one.
“Shoot him!†shouted another.
When a white activist proclaimed “Black lives matter!†as she was being carted out of the building, a male Trump supporter leaned toward her and snapped, “White lives matter.â€
According to NBC News, someone at the Trump rally even yelled a German Nazi-era salute — “Sieg heil!†— while a protester was being removed from the event.
Trump, meanwhile, gleefully narrated the madness from his podium like a tabloid talk show host presiding over an on-camera brawl between guests — egging on the confrontation, whipping the audience into a frenzy, and basking in his fans’ celebratory chants.
“Trump! Trump! Trump! Trump!â€
“This is what we should have been doing to the other side for the last seven years!†Trump exclaimed during one of the scuffles with protesters.
At several points, Trump berated the reporters in the room for taking pictures of the clashes. “They are terrible!†Trump hissed of the press. “The worst!†Hundreds of riled-up Trump fans turned to face the press corps, and booed loudly.
But while Trump and his hardcore supporters seemed to be enjoying themselves, not everyone was thrilled by the night’s unexpected turn toward mayhem. Families with young kids scampered toward the exits well before Trump wrapped up, and some elderly people had to leave in search of medical assistance.
Among those most put off by the display, though, were the recreational spectators who had stopped by simply to see Trump’s famous performance in person.
“I just came for the spectacle,†said Stephan Reilly, a left-leaning Las Vegas resident whose college-aged son had tagged along for kicks. “This is the best show in town!â€
But by the end of the night, neither of them were smiling much.
“I’m very alarmed,†Reilly said.
This is America...
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I would kind of like Cruz or Rubio to knock him off the perch tonight.
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In Fishburne voice....
What if I told you.....that muslim extremists have been around since the start of the middle ages.
Theyve been at this for 1400 years. Actually, you can google or wikipedia Muslim Conquests and youll get a nice laundry list of them all, spanning from Europe to the Middle East to Africa and all places in between. The entire point of their "prophet" was to promote this stuff. I truly believe that after readng his ideas and commands, and the Quaran. They are built on this very pillar. Some of them today MAY be peaceful people in general, but this hate/conquest mentality is at their core.
Again, I don't disagree with any of this.
You'll hear people on the left say that the Bible has some awful barbaric shit in it as well and therefore Christianity is just as bad. Where I part from that is that while barbaric stuff in the Bible justified some awful shit during the crusades and middle ages, but has since underwent a reformation. In 2015, there is no comparison to be made.
Part of that is Christians are able to cherry-pick out the barbaric stuff. They can justify it by saying, well that's just part of a narrative story, Jesus didn't endorse that. Or this part of the Bible says that, but then later this other part of the Bible says this other thing that contradicts it.
Some Muslims treat the Quaran the same way, but unfortunately alarmingly high numbers, especially in majority Muslim countries, do not do that. Part of the reason for that is that unlike the Bible, everything in it is meant to be Allah essentially saying this is how you should live.
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I agree with all of this.
I posted this earlier. The numbers are alarming.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
But it's inaccurate to say that the MAJORITY, meaning more than 50%, of AMERICAN Muslims are extremists.
Islam is in bad need of a reformation like Christianity went through after the Middle Ages.
I never in any way said that ISIS is not Islamic. I said over and over and over again that the truth is between people saying that bullshit and people saying every Muslim is out to wage jihad. I don't know if some of you aren't reading what I'm saying or just incapable of comprehending nuanced arguments that aren't stark black & white.
This is a really good piece I just happened to read this morning that I think describes it pretty well. But it's more nuanced than "Bomb the Shit out of em" or "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam", so...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/the-new-center-between-th_b_8778908.html
I do believe there is a difference in ideology b/w American born Muslims and those in Muslim countries. Those born in Muslim countries are taught from birth to hate all except Muslims with very strict guidelines that is punishable by death. This hate is spiritual deep and it is taught in the their text that killing infidels is and will be rewarded.
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I do believe there is a difference in ideology b/w American born Muslims and those in Muslim countries. Those born in Muslim countries are taught from birth to hate all except Muslims with very strict guidelines that is punishable by death. This hate is spiritual deep and it is taught in the their text that killing infidels is and will be rewarded.
Agree.
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Lets just say though, worst case scenario, and the US was deeply infiltrated by radicals and on some certain date they were all given the green light for a mass jihad war. Chaos littered everywhere, buildings blowing up, planes crashing and death in the street. Lets say there were a a large group of people being held captive with some line up with knives placed on their throats as the other hostages watch. Then one of these terrorist instructed for all Muslims being held captive to stand up and step to the side for their life will be spared. At that moment, Now Ahmed and Tom have been friends along time playing bball since middle school and their families have went on vacation together many times. Ahmed looks over at Tom as he is given this out because of his Muslim belief. What does he do? Well, if Ahmeds parents have taught him the Koran, then Ahmed will remember the text that speaks of infidels and of these rewards. Poor Tom is shit out of luck.
The point is, regardless where the Muslim is born and raised, if they truly follow their teachings, they know that everyone else are infidels and this alone is punishable by death.
This is certainly something to be aware of because if Ahmed wants your sammich, he may kill you for it.
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I keel you
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I keel you
https://youtu.be/-IV2UuwHrU0
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My daughter's friend is Islamic. I've eaten at their house many times.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/12345411_1031228373596167_4211269783040471163_n1_zpse2rkrtgg.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/miked0003/media/12345411_1031228373596167_4211269783040471163_n1_zpse2rkrtgg.jpg.html)
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Again, I don't disagree with any of this.
You'll hear people on the left say that the Bible has some awful barbaric shit in it as well and therefore Christianity is just as bad. Where I part from that is that while barbaric stuff in the Bible justified some awful shit during the crusades and middle ages, but has since underwent a reformation. In 2015, there is no comparison to be made.
Part of that is Christians are able to cherry-pick out the barbaric stuff. They can justify it by saying, well that's just part of a narrative story, Jesus didn't endorse that. Or this part of the Bible says that, but then later this other part of the Bible says this other thing that contradicts it.
Some Muslims treat the Quaran the same way, but unfortunately alarmingly high numbers, especially in majority Muslim countries, do not do that. Part of the reason for that is that unlike the Bible, everything in it is meant to be Allah essentially saying this is how you should live.
Those are very good points.
One difference I have seen is one you pointed out.....The difference between what Jesus Christ said and what Muhammed said are 180's. Whether one believes they were holy or prophets or whatever - as historical human beings, one was clearly a more peaceful moral person than the other. Also in the Quran some of the more violent things are the newer things which tend to supercede older things in most religious documents. As you stated, the Bible is quite the opposite and is mostly old testement and anecdotal.
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https://www.facebook.com/snl/videos/10153779633026303/
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The point is, regardless where the Muslim is born and raised, if they truly follow their teachings, they know that everyone else are infidels and this alone is punishable by death.
This is certainly something to be aware of because if Ahmed wants your sammich, he may kill you for it.
You are a racist. Islam is a peaceful religion..uh ideology...uh government.
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Again, I don't disagree with any of this.
You'll hear people on the left say that the Bible has some awful barbaric shit in it as well and therefore Christianity is just as bad. Where I part from that is that while barbaric stuff in the Bible justified some awful shit during the crusades and middle ages, but has since underwent a reformation. In 2015, there is no comparison to be made.
Again, this is where you act "as if" you are educated, but in truth, you just repeat what you been told.
No justification was needed in the crusades other than islam was attacking and conquering all of the Christian world. And as the Christian world at that time did not include the pussified US as we know it today, they had no problem with an eye for an eye. No biblical justification needed.
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They are plotting to kill us as we speak.
https://youtu.be/IHfiMoJUDVQ
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You are a racist. Islam is a peaceful religion..uh ideology...uh government.
Did you...even read...anything...I...s...Fuck it. You're either intentionally mischaracterizing what I'm saying or you are a complete idiot. Neither is good.
Again, this is where you act "as if" you are educated, but in truth, you just repeat what you been told.
No justification was needed in the crusades other than islam was attacking and conquering all of the Christian world. And as the Christian world at that time did not include the pussified US as we know it today, they had no problem with an eye for an eye. No biblical justification needed.
LOL. Ok.
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^^^Lost this one is^^^^
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You silly kids.
Hey, we should do a live debate thread. I would just LOVE to hear Prowler's detailed insight on the policy they discuss.
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You silly kids.
Hey, we should do a live debate thread. I would just LOVE to hear Prowler's detailed insight on the policy they discuss.
Yeah, with a couple cold ones to go along with it.
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You silly kids.
Hey, we should do a live debate thread. I would just LOVE to hear Prowler's detailed insight on the policy they discuss.
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!
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Yeah, with a couple cold ones to go along with it.
I don't drink with beta males...
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I agree with all of this.
I posted this earlier. The numbers are alarming.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
But it's inaccurate to say that the MAJORITY, meaning more than 50%, of AMERICAN Muslims are extremists.
Islam is in bad need of a reformation like Christianity went through after the Middle Ages.
I never in any way said that ISIS is not Islamic. I said over and over and over again that the truth is between people saying that bullshit and people saying every Muslim is out to wage jihad. I don't know if some of you aren't reading what I'm saying or just incapable of comprehending nuanced arguments that aren't stark black & white.
This is a really good piece I just happened to read this morning that I think describes it pretty well. But it's more nuanced than "Bomb the Shit out of em" or "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam", so...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/the-new-center-between-th_b_8778908.html
I'm going to say this one more time.
There IS NO DIFFERENCE in belief, goal and ideology between radical/extremists and "regular" Muslims. The mission is the same. The only differerenc is in how the two groups pursue the goal.
You're fooling yourself and falling into their well-laid trap to think otherwise.
Your "devout" pals want Islamic rule. Here. As soon as possible.
That's the black and white.
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Interesting theory:
Interesting take on Trump...
William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any writer in modern times.
What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett
They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.
Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one.
It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.
Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.
These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.
Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.
But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The jig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth.
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Interesting theory:
Interesting take on Trump...
William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any writer in modern times.
What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett
They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.
Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one.
It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.
Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.
These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.
Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.
But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The jig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth.
Very interesting read no doubt!
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Interesting theory:
Interesting take on Trump...
William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any writer in modern times.
What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett
They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.
Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one.
It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.
Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.
These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.
Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.
But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The jig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
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Just because you can't get past your superior intelligence to see an alternative view...
Well that pretty much defines the difference in you and most common men.
There is a significant portion of this country who like what they hear and see from Trump mainly because they think the way this article thinks. Now they are not in love with Trump, but they Damn sure are tired of anybody you and your kind like.
It's time for the working class people of this country to be heard. If it's Trump, then so be it.
But the likes of you continually acting "as if" will only convince them they are right.
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Just because you can't get past your superior intelligence to see an alternative view...
Well that pretty much defines the difference in you and most common men.
There is a significant portion of this country who like what they hear and see from Trump mainly because they think the way this article thinks. Now they are not in love with Trump, but they Damn sure are tired of anybody you and your kind like.
It's time for the working class people of this country to be heard. If it's Trump, then so be it.
But the likes of you continually acting "as if" will only convince them they are right.
(https://lwtc247.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/get-a-brain-morans.jpg)
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I don't drink with guys that wear skinny jeans.
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I don't drink with guys that wear skinny jeans.
Guess I'll have to buy some.
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Guess I'll have to buy some.
That would be so hawt.
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That would be so hawt.
He could then sign autographs as Barry Gibbs.
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He could then sign autographs as Barry Gibbs.
Stayin' alive. Stayin' alive.
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Guess I'll have to buy some.
You could just wear your woman's!
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Alright, Trump is a fucking idiot. There is no fucking way he's serious about this shit, and if he is, we are in trouble if the election is between Trump and Hillary.
I'm praying at this point he backs out and endorses either Cruz or Rubio. Personally, I'm voting Rubio.
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Alright, Trump is a fucking idiot. There is no fucking way he's serious about this shit, and if he is, we are in trouble if the election is between Trump and Hillary.
I'm praying at this point he backs out and endorses either Cruz or Rubio. Personally, I'm voting Rubio.
I think that what most people lose sight of is regardless of whether either of these two shittastic candidates makes it, they'll never get anything accomplished.
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I think that what most people lose sight of is regardless of whether either of these two shittastic candidates makes it, they'll never get anything accomplished.
I said the same thing when Obama was elected, but he still managed to push shit through.
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You could just wear your woman's!
You two should get a room and work it out.
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We nuked Japan back to the Stone Age and then rebuilt it. We didn't worry about collateral damage. We did what we had to do. It was the right thing.
There isn't anyone in a position of power in America with the guts to do that today. We have the military power to eradicate ISIS -- or ISIL as our jihadist president insists on calling it. We just don't have the balls. We are weak.
See Fall of Rome.
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Fuck Rubio.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/23/marco-rubio-casts-deciding-vote-for-obamatrade-without-even-reading-it/
And Cruz. Cruz voted for cloture of discussion of TPA.
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We nuked Japan back to the Stone Age and then rebuilt it. We didn't worry about collateral damage. We did what we had to do. It was the right thing.
There isn't anyone in a position of power in America with the guts to do that today. We have the military power to eradicate ISIS -- or ISIL as our jihadist president insists on calling it. We just don't have the balls. We are weak.
See Fall of Rome.
Liked Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged but you are advocating a similar nuclear response to that of her heir Leonard Peikoff. The man is incredibly bright but demented.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/canada/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolschtt-leaves-family-in-toronto-to-start-new-life-as-six-year-old-girl/ar-BBnwBdj
That is some strange as shit right there!
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You two should get a room and work it out.
I don't have sex with men who wear ski...
Ohoho I see what you did there.
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Liked Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged but you are advocating a similar nuclear response to that of her heir Leonard Peikoff. The man is incredibly bright but demented.
No, I'm not saying we should nuke Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Syria or the rest of those places.
But we should declare outright war on the terrorist cells -- war on Islam (like the Crusades which are still going on, essentially).
Don't hold back. Send everything we have at them, flatten villages that harbor them. Inflict massive civilian casualties, so massive that people won't want the rat bastards around them because it'll get them killed. How many entire villages/towns do you think you'd have to obliterate, killing everything that moved within them, before people started refusing to abet the terrorist cells? Not that many.
Don't worry if the French are going to be offended. Don't worry if the Chilean Prime Minister is going to express outrage. Don't care if the Chinese get pissed.
There's a quote in a show coming out on Showtime. What's the use of having fuck you money if you never say fuck you?
What's the use of being the most powerful nation in the world if you don't express that power on occasion?
The Crusades set the Muslim movement back hundreds of years. It's time to do it again.
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Trump on Hannity tonight. Hell of a lot more sensible. Talking about unifying the Republican Party to beat Hilary. Nothing more important according to him. I feel a little better about this whole thing. Maybe he's rallying votes Cruz or Rubio can't get. Maybe he steps aside and endorses one. Or maybe he takes a few of them on, surrounds himself with intelligent people, and doesn't attempt to gas chamber an entire sect of people.
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Trump on Hannity tonight. Hell of a lot more sensible. Talking about unifying the Republican Party to beat Hilary. Nothing more important according to him. I feel a little better about this whole thing. Maybe he's rallying votes Cruz or Rubio can't get. Maybe he steps aside and endorses one. Or maybe he takes a few of them on, surrounds himself with intelligent people, and doesn't attempt to gas chamber an entire sect of people.
Gas chamber is too quiet.
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Trump on Hannity tonight. Hell of a lot more sensible. Talking about unifying the Republican Party to beat Hilary. Nothing more important according to him. I feel a little better about this whole thing. Maybe he's rallying votes Cruz or Rubio can't get. Maybe he steps aside and endorses one. Or maybe he takes a few of them on, surrounds himself with intelligent people, and doesn't attempt to gas chamber an entire sect of people journalists.
Fixt
https://youtu.be/7CZyfv-2nss
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I still wish Colin Powell would run for President
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I still Colin Powell would run for President
Me too. His too smart for that. I loathe Washington DC.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
With all due respect, that's the first time I've heard someone say that about Bill Bennett. He's highly respected and pretty intelligent. If he is saying this, he has heard something. He's not normally one to just spout things of this nature.
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I still wish Colin Powell would run for President
You serious Clark? F him.
And before anyone flames me on that, do your research.
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You serious Clark? F him.
And before anyone flames me on that, do your research.
Yeah, when measuring up to what is running now.....primarily Trump. With what the percentages look like right now, Trump would be our next Prez. Yes, I would rather see Powell Prez. Sue me. I don't like Trump.
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Yeah, when measuring up to what is running now.....primarily Trump. With what the percentages look like right now, Trump would be our next Prez. Yes, I would rather see Powell Prez. Sue me. I don't like Trump.
You either with us or agin us. And we gonna call you bad names if you agin us. So there!
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Ban all Mooslims.
https://youtu.be/vnJBW49afzg
http://conservativetribune.com/christians-muslim-no-go-zone/
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Trump on Hannity tonight. Hell of a lot more sensible. Talking about unifying the Republican Party to beat Hilary. Nothing more important according to him. I feel a little better about this whole thing. Maybe he's rallying votes Cruz or Rubio can't get. Maybe he steps aside and endorses one. Or maybe he takes a few of them on, surrounds himself with intelligent people, and doesn't attempt to gas chamber an entire sect of people.
Trump is not an idiot...
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Trump is not an idiot...
Nope. Just a egotistical and delusional dick head who is a master of shaping his perception. And, a damn good salesman.
I hope I don't have to vote for him. But I will if I must.
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Nope. Just a egotistical and delusional dick head who is a master of shaping his perception. And, a damn good salesman.
I hope I don't have to vote for him. But I will if I must.
Seriously, this is where I am it too. I had much see several of the other GOP candidates win but if becomes a Trump vs Hillary dealio, I'm voting Trump without question.
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Trump is not an idiot...
Agree to disagree.
Never thought I'd live to the part in Idiocracy where either party's top presidential candidate says shit like this…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/21/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-disgusting-for-using-the-restroom-during-a-debate/?postshare=1511450752087649&tid=ss_tw
Donald Trump calls Hillary Clinton ‘disgusting’ for using the restroom during a debate
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. -- Donald Trump launched an aggressive attack on Hillary Clinton on Monday night, saying she was "disgusting" for using the restroom during the latest Democratic debate and that she was "schlonged" by a male political opponent.
Standing before a crowd of 7,500, Trump recounted how the Democratic debate on Saturday night had resumed following a commercial break with only two of the three Democratic candidates. Clinton then walked on stage. Trump asked the crowd four times where Clinton had gone.
"I know where she went -- it's disgusting, I don't want to talk about it," Trump said as the crowd laughed. "It's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting."
Later in the night, Trump told the crowd that he could not picture Clinton as president because she never wins at anything. He then brought up the 2008 Democratic primary, which Clinton lost to Barack Obama.
"She was favored to win, and she got schlonged," Trump said, turning a vulgar noun for a large penis into a verb.
Trump has repeatedly faced criticism for the language that he uses to describe women. During the first GOP debate in August, Megyn Kelly of Fox News brought up some of Trump's more controversial comments and asked him: "Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?"
Trump has called that question unfair and launched a vicious attack against Kelly. During a CNN interview after the debate, Trump said of Kelly: "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever." Trump later said he meant to say "ears," but many assumed he was saying that Kelly was menstruating.
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Agree to disagree.
Never thought I'd live to the part in Idiocracy where either party's top presidential candidate says shit like this…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/21/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-disgusting-for-using-the-restroom-during-a-debate/?postshare=1511450752087649&tid=ss_tw
Actually, him saying The Lesbo Pants Suit wearer got schlonged takes him a notch up to me. Thats an awesome use of the word, and frankly ironic.
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Actually, him saying The Lesbo Pants Suit wearer got schlonged takes him a notch up to me. Thats an awesome use of the word, and frankly ironic.
We're not talking about a shock jock. If that's all Trump was, I'd have no problem with it.
We're talking about the commander in chief. The leader of the free world. The highest office of the United States of America.
Telling peepee/poopoo jokes and using "schlonged" as a verb.
If Obama did anything in this same stratosphere, everyone in this thread would be shitting their pants over him disgracing the Oval Office…
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If Obama did anything in this same stratosphere, everyone in this thread would be shootting their pants over him disgracing the Oval Office…
Like calling a terrorist group a JV Team?
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Like calling a terrorist group a JV Team?
Or saying that our biggest threat was climate change?
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We're not talking about a shock jock. If that's all Trump was, I'd have no problem with it.
We're talking about the commander in chief. The leader of the free world. The highest office of the United States of America.
Telling peepee/poopoo jokes and using "schlonged" as a verb.
If Obama did anything in this same stratosphere, everyone in this thread would be shitting their pants over him disgracing the Oval Office…
We're just typical white people. Clinging to guns. Religion. Gotta spread the wealth.
Barry would never say that stuff.
Hillary needs to get schlonged. It's probably been a while.
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We're just typical white people. Clinging to guns. Religion. Gotta spread the wealth.
Barry would never say that stuff.
Hillary needs to get schlonged. It's probably been a while.
I wouldn't schlong that with your schlong.
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Like calling a terrorist group a JV Team?
No.
Or saying that our biggest threat was climate change?
No.
We're just typical white people. Clinging to guns. Religion. Gotta spread the wealth.
Barry would never say that stuff.
Not even that.
Pee pee / poo poo jokes and "schlonged". On stage at a presidential political fundraiser.
Jesus Christ, people. If you can't see a difference in things you disagree with, or even gaffes, and that...
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No.
No.
Not even that.
Pee pee / poo poo jokes and "schlonged". On stage at a presidential political fundraiser.
Jesus Christ, people. If you can't see a difference in things you disagree with, or even gaffes, and that...
I get what you're saying but it appears that being gay promotes hypersensitivity to being schlonged.
Is there a big difference between getting schlonged and just regular man on man sex?
I assume getting schlonged has more to do with the size of the wee wee up the woo woo, no?
Curious to know how it feels. I mean, not how it feels to be schlonged but about Trump using this hurtful description. I would imagine it could bring back some hurtful memories of the woo woo.
Sorry you were put in that position. With Trump, I mean.
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Like I said several pages ago, I wish the man had someone with him at all times to keep him at least somewhat in check. And no, in answer to Megyn Kelly's question to the man, I don't think that's the temperament of a man we need as President. But the fact that there's not more uproar over comments like that says two things to me. First, it's just what people have come to expect from The Donald. No surprises anymore over anything that comes out of his mouth. And second, it continues to show that there is a huge segment of our society that's long been fed up with politicians. He's not one.
I think most continue to enjoy the show but I'm of the belief that at some point it will come to an end. I'm hoping it comes to an end because someone like Cruz or Rubio starts taking off.
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Like I said several pages ago, I wish the man had someone with him at all times to keep him at least somewhat in check. And no, in answer to Megyn Kelly's question to the man, I don't think that's the temperament of a man we need as President.
Or. Vote for someone who is not an imbecile prone to saying insanely stupid things constantly.
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The more that the gays speak out against Trump, the more I like him.
I'm voting TRUMP!
Seriously, deep down, I really do kind of like the fact that he isn't afraid to speak his mind and stands up for what he believes.
Trump can win this thing and schlong some bitches along the way.
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Not trolling, but a serious question:
Is there anything that can come out of this man's mouth that can convince you he's an absolute fucking idiot, if you're not already?
All nonsensical "Bing bong bang", "Bomb the shit out of em", "schlonged" and pee pee/poo poo jokes. I seriously couldn't make anything dumber up than the shit he has said from a stage with a national audience.
I suspect he could fart on stage, waft it into his nose, and chuckle about it, and some of you would call me a know-it-all smug elitist for criticizing him for it…
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I think its been said quite a few times that many of us here dislikes Trump. I know I don't. The points I am reading is that many Americans are just tired of the same old bs from politicians. No, that doesn't make Trump any smarter. Also, I think the point has been made that if were a Trump vs Hillary race, most would vote for Trump. That doesn't make Trump any smarter either, that is a result of despising Hillary.
Even regarding the same old bs, most of us in this thread are leaning more towards Cruz or Rubio. Unfortunately Trump still seems to be the one to beat. This reminds me of Obamas first run. He had a whole lot of votes based on emotion along with people voting who knew jack shit about what really mattered. I certainly think that currently, Trumps percentages are based mostly on emotion. That will change or Trump will say something insanely stupid that will force him to withdraw and all his votes will probably go to Cruz. Without going back to read this thread, I believe GH has already eluded to this.
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I think its been said quite a few times that many of us here dislikes Trump. I know I don't. The points I am reading is that many Americans are just tired of the same old bs from politicians. No, that doesn't make Trump any smarter. Also, I think the point has been made that if were a Trump vs Hillary race, most would vote for Trump. That doesn't make Trump any smarter either, that is a result of despising Hillary.
Even regarding the same old bs, most of us in this thread are leaning more towards Cruz or Rubio. Unfortunately Trump still seems to be the one to beat. This reminds me of Obamas first run. He had a whole lot of votes based on emotion along with people voting who knew jack shit about what really mattered. I certainly think that currently, Trumps percentages are based mostly on emotion. That will change or Trump will say something insanely stupid that will force him to withdraw and all his votes will probably go to Cruz. Without going back to read this thread, I believe GH has already eluded to this.
I don't know that "dislike" is a term I will go for. I've actually learned more about him since this campaign and understand some things that I didn't before.
I think that deep down, he's a nice man. And his leadership skill is unquestionable.
Early on, I didn't see it. But he's grown on me.
I think a lot of people who don't like him are simply very sensitive. He can't crack a joke without people getting offended.
But he has energized the base. He's an energizer. And obviously an innovator.
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I don't know that "dislike" is a term I will go for. I've actually learned more about him since this campaign and understand some things that I didn't before.
I think that deep down, he's a nice man. And his leadership skill is unquestionable.
Early on, I didn't see it. But he's grown on me.
I think a lot of people who don't like him are simply very sensitive. He can't crack a joke without people getting offended.
But he has energized the base. He's an energizer. And obviously an innovator.
The term dislike is solely based on Trump being Prez. I do agree though, after learning more about him, I can see his true skill set. Still though, I can't muster up enough want to, to vote for Trump.
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What simp said. And as for Trump being an absolute fucking idiot, he's anything but. No he's not Presidential material. But he saw early on what sells and he's run with it, very successfully I might add. I said on this very board a couple of weeks ago after the latest terrorist attacks, the U.S. and everybody who will join them, line up on one side of the Middle East. Russia and whoever will join them, line up on the other. Throw out the rules of war and meet in the middle.
No, it's never going to happen and it's just one of numerous issues in this race. But that's what Trump is saying because that's exactly what Joe Schmo is saying. On immigration, everyone in power wants to be politically correct. Let's compromise on a plan. Let's not offend anyone. I say if you're here illegally, you gots to go. Round em' up, dump em' back where they belong and build a huge fucking wall to keep them out. That's the simple, straightforward solution to the immigration problem. What puzzles the common man is why that's so hard to understand. That's what Trump is saying.
Trump is not an idiot because he understands that people stopped trusting politicians long ago. I'm to the point where I truly believe that every damn decision that comes out of Washington is bought and paid for by someone. Trump says I can't be bought. A Trump Presidency would never fly because of those idiotic things that come out of his mouth. He'd never get any cooperation from those in power. Right now, he's just trying to convince the general public. When he gets in office, he'd have to convince corrupt politicians. Never fly.
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The term dislike is solely based on Trump being Prez. I do agree though, after learning more about him, I can see his true skill set. Still though, I can't muster up enough want to, to vote for Trump.
I see what you're saying and I had one or two other candidates in front of Trump to begin with. Then, I started seeing a truer picture.
And if we are honest, most of his opposition is due to people who are either jealous of the Donald or ill-informed. And some who are just soft and easily offended.
Would you agree?
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That will change or Trump will say something insanely stupid that will force him to withdraw and all his votes will probably go to Cruz.
Again, I pose the question. What the entire fuck could he say that is any more stupid than the mountain of shit he has already publicly said?
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Again, I pose the question. What the entire fudge could he say that is any more stupid than the mountain of shoot he has already publicly said?
"No, I preferred the Star Wars Prequels to Episode VII."
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Again, I pose the question. What the entire fuck could he say that is any more stupid than the mountain of shit he has already publicly said?
The more people like you hate him, the more others like him!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cRly-0wwl_g
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cRly-0wwl_g
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That is fucking incredible.
And it was from October 3rd. You could fill an hour with the even more idiotic shit that he's said since then.
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What simp said. And as for Trump being an absolute fucking idiot, he's anything but. No he's not Presidential material. But he saw early on what sells and he's run with it, very successfully I might add. I said on this very board a couple of weeks ago after the latest terrorist attacks, the U.S. and everybody who will join them, line up on one side of the Middle East. Russia and whoever will join them, line up on the other. Throw out the rules of war and meet in the middle.
No, it's never going to happen and it's just one of numerous issues in this race. But that's what Trump is saying because that's exactly what Joe Schmo is saying. On immigration, everyone in power wants to be politically correct. Let's compromise on a plan. Let's not offend anyone. I say if you're here illegally, you gots to go. Round em' up, dump em' back where they belong and build a huge fucking wall to keep them out. That's the simple, straightforward solution to the immigration problem. What puzzles the common man is why that's so hard to understand. That's what Trump is saying.
Trump is not an idiot because he understands that people stopped trusting politicians long ago. I'm to the point where I truly believe that every damn decision that comes out of Washington is bought and paid for by someone. Trump says I can't be bought. A Trump Presidency would never fly because of those idiotic things that come out of his mouth. He'd never get any cooperation from those in power. Right now, he's just trying to convince the general public. When he gets in office, he'd have to convince corrupt politicians. Never fly.
This! Every damn bit of it!
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I see what you're saying and I had one or two other candidates in front of Trump to begin with. Then, I started seeing a truer picture.
And if we are honest, most of his opposition is due to people who are either jealous of the Donald or ill-informed. And some who are just soft and easily offended.
Would you agree?
Well, I can agree with that. He still says some stupid shit. He is the GOPs version of the Democratic version of Obama way back 8 years ago. All that was based on emotion and didn't matter what crazy ideas and shit was proposed, people still voted for him. That is not the smartest approach.
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Again, I pose the question. What the entire fuck could he say that is any more stupid than the mountain of shit he has already publicly said?
Oh, I'm sure it could get worse. Like mentioned before, my concern is about too much emotion being involved instead of rational thinking. This in of itself will take Trump literally tying his own rope around his neck and jumping off the political bridge.
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It's really just a matter of time before he says faggots shouldn't be allowed to vote against him.
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It's really just a matter of time before he says faggots shouldn't be allowed to vote against him.
Well.....they shouldn't!
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Well, he's got Randy Quaid's vote...So there's that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWzGLF2yN1E
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Well, he's got Randy Quaid's vote...So there's that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWzGLF2yN1E
Until he bans Canadians and builds a wall there too.
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Until he bans Canadians and builds a wall there too.
Fuck yeah! Now were talkin. Bunch of damn loyalists!
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Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, a better candidate than any of the Racistspublicans.
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Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, a better candidate than any of the Racistspublicans.
And much smarter than any of the democrats.
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Since I have none, I'm votin' for Deez Nuts!!!
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And much smarter than any of the democrats.
Prowler was the electorate that Alinsky was aiming for. He's also proof it works.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/29/famous-kkk-leader-says-donald-trumps-policies-are-too-radical-video/
:jaw:
I'm shocked... :rolleyes:
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If Trump's wall will keep El Niño out of this county I'd vote for him right now!
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/29/famous-kkk-leader-says-donald-trumps-policies-are-too-radical-video/
:jaw:
I'm shocked... :rolleyes:
Former KKK leader.....just like Robert Byrd. A former Democrat Senator. When these guys leave that world, they typically change their views a lot. Lest I also remind you that the Democratic party was what just about all of those guys were, including George Wallace. So, yeah of course Trump is "radical". Reagan and Goldwater were also called radical but you probably have read enough quality informative websites to realize they were just facist pigs.
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Hey Laaaaaaady!!!! I love Trump!
http://www.mediaite.com/online/jerry-lewis-praises-trump-and-says-refugees-should-stay-where-the-hell-they-are/
Jerry Lewis is a POS and a racist!!
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Jerry Lewis is a POS and a racist!!
Doesn't stop him from wanting money over labor day.
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Explain how this
http://youtu.be/vPRfP_TEQ-g
Is different than this
http://youtu.be/Ow4MgX_bNjs
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There are differences, but there are certain similarities.
I think it's important that we remember that North Koreans are people just the same as us. So were the Nazis. So were the Confederates and the Yankees. So were the British and the Colonists.
It might seem far fetched that Americans could succumb to similar tactics employed by people like Kim Jong Un and other nefarious leaders, but it's definitely a possibility.
But I don't know if Trump's song is as bad as The Interview scene or what is actually being sung in North Korea. Unless I missed it, he didn't single out a particular country or people group. The North Koreans have a raging hard on for the destruction of ultimate-evil America.
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Explain how this
http://youtu.be/vPRfP_TEQ-g
Is different than this
http://youtu.be/Ow4MgX_bNjs
For starters, there most likely aren't snipers aimed at the three little girls at Trump's rally.
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Ehhhh - Cruz looks better and better the more Trump goes to the gutter with this Birther crap. Now he's insulting the guys character. Cruz has been who he is his whole life politically. Trump has flip flopped and donated to so many crooks of all stripes - lot of gall to insult someone else's character. Pot to Kettle Mr. Yhhuggee...I think you may see the next couple of polls reflect people's dissatisfaction with these tactics.
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Fuckin' libruls...err...establishment...err
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination
Conservatives against Trump
GLENN BECK
As the election of 2008 approached, America was in crisis. And as we would soon learn, that crisis would not go to waste. Years after Bill Clinton disingenuously claimed that the era of big government was over, Obama won his party’s nomination by promising its furious revenge.
For constitutional conservatives, the Republican contest functioned less like a primary and more like an abandonment. Politically orphaned by their party, conservatives were forced to either stay home or hold their noses and vote for a progressive Republican.
There was a silver lining, however. Rising out of the ashes of that electoral defeat came the Tea Party. The media struggled to explain it away as racist, xenophobic, and jingoistic. But the truth is, the Tea Party did not arise because Barack Obama defeated his opposition. It arose because there was no opposition.
Over the years, there have been endless fractures in the façade of individual freedom, but three policies provided the fuel that lit the tea-party fire: the stimulus, the auto bailouts, and the bank bailouts.
Barack Obama supported all three. So did Donald Trump.
While conservatives fought against the stimulus, Donald Trump said it was “what we need,†praising Obama’s schemes of “building infrastructure, building great projects, putting people to work in that sense.â€
While conservatives fought against the auto bailouts, Donald Trump claimed “the government should stand behind [the auto companies] 100 percent†because “they make wonderful products.â€
While conservatives fought against the bank bailouts, Donald Trump called them “something that has to get done.†Let his reasoning sink in for a second: “[The government] can take over companies, and, frankly, take big chunks of companies.â€
When conservatives desperately needed allies in the fight against big government, Donald Trump didn’t stand on the sidelines. He consistently advocated that your money be spent, that your government grow, and that your Constitution be ignored.
Sure, Trump’s potential primary victory would provide Hillary Clinton with the easiest imaginable path to the White House. But it’s far worse than that. If Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, there will once again be no opposition to an ever-expanding government.
This is a crisis for conservatism. And, once again, this crisis will not go to waste.
— Glenn Beck is a nationally syndicated radio host, the founder of TheBlaze, and a best-selling author.
DAVID BOAZ
A lot of Americans think it would be better to have a businessman than a politician as president, and I sympathize with them. Alas, the only businessmen crazy enough to run for president seem to be, well, crazy. At least Ross Perot kept his craziness confined mostly to private matters, such as the looming disruption of his daughter’s wedding. Donald Trump puts it front and center.
From a libertarian point of view — and I think serious conservatives and liberals would share this view—Trump’s greatest offenses against American tradition and our founding principles are his nativism and his promise of one-man rule.
Not since George Wallace has there been a presidential candidate who made racial and religious scapegoating so central to his campaign. Trump launched his campaign talking about Mexican rapists and has gone on to rant about mass deportation, bans on Muslim immigration, shutting down mosques, and building a wall around America. America is an exceptional nation in large part because we’ve aspired to rise above such prejudices and guarantee life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to everyone.
Equally troubling is his idea of the presidency—his promise that he’s the guy, the man on a white horse, who can ride into Washington, fire the stupid people, hire the best people, and fix everything. He doesn’t talk about policy or working with Congress. He’s effectively vowing to be an American Mussolini, concentrating power in the Trump White House and governing by fiat. It’s a vision to make the last 16 years of executive abuse of power seem modest.
Without even getting into his past support for a massive wealth tax and single-payer health care, his know-nothing protectionism, or his passionate defense of eminent domain, I think we can say that this is a Republican campaign that would have appalled Buckley, Goldwater, and Reagan.
— David Boaz is the executive vice president of the Cato Institute and the author of The Libertarian Mind.
L. BRENT BOZELL III
Longtime conservative leader Richard Viguerie has a simple test for credentialing a conservative: Does he walk with us?
For the simple reason that he cannot win without conservatives’ support, virtually every Republican presenting himself to voters swears so-help-me-God that he is a conservative. Many of these politicians are calculating, cynical charlatans, running as one thing only to govern in a completely different direction. See: McConnell, McCain, Hatch, Boehner, et al. And for decades it’s worked. Conservatives look at the alternatives—Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, et al.—and bite the bullet. We so often “winâ€â€”only for nothing to come of it.
The GOP base is clearly disgusted and looking for new leadership. Enter Donald Trump, not just with policy prescriptions that challenge the cynical GOP leadership but with an attitude of disdain for that leadership—precisely in line with the sentiment of the base. Many conservatives are relishing this, but ah, the rub. Trump might be the greatest charlatan of them all.
A real conservative walks with us. Ronald Reagan read National Review and Human Events for intellectual sustenance; spoke annually to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Young Americans for Freedom, and other organizations to rally the troops; supported Barry Goldwater when the GOP mainstream turned its back on him; raised money for countless conservative groups; wrote hundreds of op-eds; and delivered even more speeches, everywhere championing our cause. Until he decided to run for the GOP nomination a few months ago, Trump had done none of these things, perhaps because he was too distracted publicly raising money for liberals such as the Clintons; championing Planned Parenthood, tax increases, and single-payer health coverage; and demonstrating his allegiance to the Democratic party.
We conservatives should support the one candidate who walks with us.
— L. Brent Bozell III is the chairman of ForAmerica and the president of the Media Research Center. He has endorsed Ted Cruz for president.
MONA CHAREN
In December, Public Policy Polling found that 36 percent of Republican voters for whom choosing the candidate “most conservative on the issues†was the top priority said they supported Donald Trump. We can talk about whether he is a boor (“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my bodyâ€), a creep (“If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating herâ€), or a louse (he tried to bully an elderly woman, Vera Coking, out of her house in Atlantic City because it stood on a spot he wanted to use as a garage). But one thing about which there can be no debate is that Trump is no conservative—he’s simply playing one in the primaries. Call it unreality TV.
Put aside for a moment Trump’s countless past departures from conservative principle on defense, racial quotas, abortion, taxes, single-payer health care, and immigration. (That’s right: In 2012, he derided Mitt Romney for being too aggressive on the question, and he’s made extensive use of illegal-immigrant labor in his serially bankrupt businesses.) The man has demonstrated an emotional immaturity bordering on personality disorder, and it ought to disqualify him from being a mayor, to say nothing of a commander-in-chief. Trump has made a career out of egotism, while conservatism implies a certain modesty about government. The two cannot mix.
Who, except a pitifully insecure person, needs constantly to insult and belittle others including, or perhaps especially, women? Where is the center of gravity in a man who in May denounces those who “needlessly provoke†Muslims and in December proposes that we (“temporarilyâ€) close our borders to all non-resident Muslims? If you don’t like a Trump position, you need only wait a few months, or sometimes days. In September, he advised that we “let Russia fight ISIS.†In November, after the Paris massacre, he discovered that “we’re going to have to knock them out and knock them out hard.†A pinball is more predictable.
Is Trump a liberal? Who knows? He played one for decades — donating to liberal causes and politicians (including Al Sharpton) and inviting Hillary Clinton to his (third) wedding. Maybe it was all a game, but voters who care about conservative ideas and principles must ask whether his recent impersonation of a conservative is just another role he’s playing. When a con man swindles you, you can sue—as many embittered former Trump associates who thought themselves ill used have done. When you elect a con man, there’s no recourse.
— Mona Charen is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
BEN DOMENECH
The case for constitutional limited government is the case against Donald Trump. To the degree we take him at his word — understanding that Trump is a negotiator whose positions are often purposefully deceptive — what he advocates is a rejection of our Madisonian inheritance and an embrace of Barack Obama’s authoritarianism.
Trump assures voters that he will use authoritarian power for good, to help those who feel — with good reason — ignored by both parties. But the American experiment in self-government was the work of a generation that risked all to defeat a tyrannical monarch and establish a government of laws, not men. A government of the people, by the people, and for the people is precisely what the Constitution offers, and what is most threatened by “great men†impatient to impose their will on the nation.
Conservatives should reject Trump’s hollow, Euro-style identity politics. But conservatives have far more to learn from his campaign than many might like to admit. The Trump voter is moderate, disaffected, with patriotic instincts. He feels disconnected from the GOP and other broken public institutions, left behind by a national political elite that no longer believes he matters.
Trump’s current popularity reveals something good. President Obama’s core domestic-policy agenda was designed to pull working- and middle-class voters left. It assumed that once they received the government’s redistributive largesse, they would be invested in maintaining it — and maintaining the Left in power. Trump’s rise bespeaks the utter failure of this program for the American working class: They have seen the Left’s agenda up close and do not believe it is good enough to make a nation great.
In order to build a governing majority, conservatives do not need Trump’s message or agenda, but they urgently need his supporters. Trump proves that these disaffected Americans can be won by those who respect the pro-American Jacksonian spine that runs through the electorate. The challenge now is for conservatives to give these voters the respect they deserve.
— Ben Domenech is the publisher of the Federalist.
ERICK ERICKSON
I would vote for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton. Many of the Republicans who have declared that they would never vote for Trump gave carte blanche to politicians who have been complicit in the growth of the government leviathan. These Republicans have ignored conservatism in the name of party politics, and their broken promises gave rise to Donald Trump’s candidacy.
Nonetheless, I will not be voting for Donald Trump in the primary. I take my conservatism seriously, and I also take Saint Paul seriously. In setting out the qualifications for overseers, or bishops, Saint Paul admonished Timothy, “If anyone aspires to the office of overseer . . . he must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil†(1 Timothy 3:1,6).
I think this is also true of political leaders, including those within the conservative movement. In October 2011, when many of the other Republican candidates were fighting Barack Obama, Donald Trump told Sean Hannity, “I was [Obama’s] biggest cheerleader.†Trump donated to both the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign, as well to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, and other Democrats. In 2011, according to the website OpenSecrets.org, “the largest recipient [of Donald Trump’s political spending] has been the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee with $116,000.â€
In a 60 Minutes interview with Scott Pelly, Trump aggressively supported universal health-care, saying, “This is an un-Republican thing for me to say. . . . I’m going to take care of everybody. . . . The government’s gonna pay for it.†He supported the prosecution of hate crimes. He favored wealth-confiscation policies. He supported abortion rights. On all these things, Donald Trump now says he has changed his mind. Like the angels in heaven who rejoice for every new believer, we should rejoice for Donald Trump’s conversion to conservatism.
But we should not put a new conservative in charge of conservatism or the country, so that he does not become puffed up with conceit and fall into condemnation. Republicans have wandered in the wilderness already by letting leaders define conservatism in their own image. Donald Trump needs more time and more testing of his new conservative convictions.
— Erick Erickson is the editor of The Resurgent and an Atlanta-based talk-radio host.
STEVEN F. HAYWARD
After Obama — after three generations of liberalism only slightly interrupted by the Reagan years — the conservative president we desperately need requires a paradoxical combination of boldness and restraint. The president will need to be bold in challenging the runaway power and reach of his own branch, against the fury of the bureaucracy itself, its client groups, and the media. This boldness is necessary to restore the restraint that a republican executive should have in our constitutional order.
Trump exhibits no awareness of this supreme constitutional task. His facially worthy challenge to political correctness is not a sufficient governing platform. Worse, his inclination to understand our problems as being managerial rather than political suggests he might well set back the conservative cause if he is elected, if not make the problems of runaway executive power even worse. Restraint is clearly not in his vocabulary or his character.
— Steven F. Hayward is the Ronald Reagan Distinguished Visiting Professor at Pepperdine University.
MARK HELPRIN
A diet, caffeine-free Marxist (really, the only thing wrong with being a Marxist is being a Marxist); a driven, leftist crook; and an explosive, know-nothing demagogue — all are competing to see who can be even more like Mussolini than is Obama. But in the caudillo department, surpassing even our own Evita, the Donald wins.
Forget hair like the tinsel on discarded Christmas trees. Forget the long-term connections to New York politichiens, into which scores of opposition researchers and Pulitzer-seeking media moles are undoubtedly tunneling at this very moment. Forget his former wife’s claim that he kept a book of Hitler’s speeches at his bedside. Forget even his raging egomania, matched only by Obama’s, which the president sometimes tries to conceal beneath a laughably transparent gossamer of false modesty.
And forget trying to determine whether he’s a conservative. Given that, at the suggestion of Bill Clinton, he has like a tapeworm invaded the schismatically weakened body of the Republican party, it’s a pointless question, because, like Allah in Islamic theology, he is whatever he pleases to be at the moment, the only principle being the triumph of his will.
All such things, except (maybe) his hair, are disqualifications for high office, but two fundamental portents of disaster usually pass unnoticed: Like Obama, he is astoundingly ignorant of everything that to govern a powerful, complex, influential, and exceptional nation such as ours he would have to know.
I recall that 30 or more years ago he said he could master the politics of the Cold War, nuclear strategy, and arms control in two weeks, the proof being that he had fixed the Wollman ice-skating rink. Evidently he didn’t spare the time, revealing in debate that he was clueless about the nuclear triad — something that could be rather dangerous if the person always at his side with the briefcase of nuclear codes cuffed to his wrist were not a stolid military officer but Britney Spears or Ozzy Osbourne (and don’t count that out).
He doesn’t know the Constitution, history, law, political philosophy, nuclear strategy, diplomacy, defense, economics beyond real estate, or even, despite his low-level-mafioso comportment, how ordinary people live. But trumping all this is a greater flaw presented as his chief strength. Governing a great nation in parlous times is far more than making “deals.†Compared with the weight of the office he seeks, his deals are microscopic in scale, and as he faced far deeper complexities he would lead the country into continual Russian roulette. If despite his poor judgment he could engage talented advisers, as they presented him with contending and fateful options the buck would stop with a man who simply grasps anything that floats by. Following Obama’s, a Trump presidency would be yet more adventure tourism for a formerly serious republic.
— Mark Helprin is a celebrated novelist. Among his best-known works are Winter’s Tale and A Soldier of the Great War.
WILLIAM KRISTOL
Let us, as conservatives, seek guidance from those we admire.
The Federalist (No. 39) speaks of “that honorable determination which animates every votary of freedom to rest all our political experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government.†Hasn’t Donald Trump been a votary merely of wealth rather than of freedom? Hasn’t he been animated by the art of the deal rather than by the art of self-government?
William F. Buckley Jr. proclaimed, in the founding statement of this journal, that conservatism “stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.†Hasn’t Donald Trump always been a man inclined to go along—indeed, impatient to get along—with history?
In a letter to National Review, Leo Strauss wrote that “a conservative, I take it, is a man who despises vulgarity; but the argument which is concerned exclusively with calculations of success, and is based on blindness to the nobility of the effort, is vulgar.†Isn’t Donald Trump the very epitome of vulgarity?
In sum: Isn’t Trumpism a two-bit Caesarism of a kind that American conservatives have always disdained? Isn’t the task of conservatives today to stand athwart Trumpism, yelling Stop?
— William Kristol is the editor of The Weekly Standard.
YUVAL LEVIN
Donald Trump is no conservative. That’s not a crime, it’s just a reason to vote against him. Many fine people are not conservatives. But the reason Trump’s candidacy should worry the Right runs much deeper than that: He poses a direct challenge to conservatism, because he embodies the empty promise of managerial leadership outside of politics.
Trump’s diagnoses of our key problems — first and foremost, that America’s elites are weak and unwilling to put the interests of Americans first — have gained him a hearing from many on the right. But when he gestures toward prescriptions, Trump reveals that even his diagnoses are not as sound as they might seem.
Conservatives incline to take the weakness of our elite institutions as an argument for recovering constitutional principles — and so for limiting the power of those institutions, reversing their centralization of authority, and recovering a vision of American life in which the chief purpose of the federal government is protective and not managerial.
Trump, on the contrary, offers himself as the alternative to our weak and foolish leaders, the guarantee of American superiority, and the cure for all that ails our society; and when pressed about how he will succeed in these ways, his answer pretty much amounts to: “great management.â€
The appeal of Trump’s diagnoses should be instructive to conservatives. But the shallow narcissism of his prescriptions is a warning. American conservatism is an inherently skeptical political outlook. It assumes that no one can be fully trusted with public power and that self-government in a free society demands that we reject the siren song of politics-as-management.
A shortage of such skepticism is how we ended up with the problems Trump so bluntly laments. Repeating that mistake is no way to solve these problems. To address them, we need to begin by rejecting what Trump stands for, as much as what he stands against.
—​ Yuval Levin, a contributing editor of National Review, is the editor of National Affairs.
DANA LOESCH
I’ve fought progressivism for a long time. Before 2008, I crashed progressive protests using “Protest Warrior†signs. After 2008, I was on that fateful inaugural call to organize the first modern-day tea parties around the country. I stood on sidewalks with placards, phone-banked, went door to door, and traveled at my own expense to evangelize liberty and fire people up. For disagreeing about matters of public policy, we were called racists and bigots, and conservative women were accused of betraying their sex. Dissent used to be “patriotic†— until the Obama administration used its alphabet agencies to persecute groups such as True the Vote and deny conservative organizations nonprofit status. Lately, dissent on the right is regarded as treasonous.
I know Donald Trump. He’s been a frequent guest on my radio and television programs, and I introduced him at the Conservative Political Action Conference in 2015. He has always been amiable and complimentary. I genuinely like him.
But not as my presidential pick.
I love conversion stories. I have my own, from when I became a conservative 15 years ago. But I’m not running for president. Donald Trump is. And his “conversion†raises serious questions. Trump wrote in his book The America We Deserve that he supported a ban on “assault weapons.†Not until last year did he apparently reverse his position. As recently as a couple of years ago, Trump favored the liberal use of eminent-domain laws. He said that the ability of the government to wrest private property from citizens served “the greater good.†Is that suddenly a conservative principle?
Why is there a double standard when it comes to evaluating Donald Trump? Why are other politicians excoriated when they change their minds — as, for example, Rick Perry did on the question of whether HPV vaccinations in Texas should be compulsory — but when Trump suddenly says he’s pro-life, the claim is accepted uncritically? Why is it unconscionable for Ted Cruz to take and repay a loan from Goldman Sachs to help win a tough Senate race but acceptable for Donald Trump to take money from George Soros? Why is vetting Trump, as we do any other candidate, considered “bashing� Aren’t these fair questions?
Just a few years ago, I and many others were receiving threats for promoting conservative policies and conservative principles — neither of which Donald Trump seems to care about. Yet he’s leading.
Popularity over principle — is this the new Right?
— Dana Loesch is the host of a nationally syndicated radio program and of Dana on TheBlaze. She also appears regularly on Fox News. Her second Book, Flyover Nation, will be published this spring.
ANDREW C. McCARTHY
The presidency’s most crucial duty is the protection of American national security. Yet, interviewed by Hugh Hewitt months into his campaign, Donald Trump did not know the key leaders of the global jihad. The man who would be commander-in-chief was unfamiliar with Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader who has been murdering Americans for over 30 years; Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden’s longtime deputy who has quite notoriously commanded al-Qaeda since the network’s leader was killed by U.S. forces in 2011; and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, self-proclaimed caliph of the Islamic State (ISIS) and a jihadist so globally notorious that many teenagers are aware of him.
Of course a man who wants to be president should make it his business to know such things. But even the casual fan who does not know the players without a scorecard at least knows who the teams are and why they are competing. Trump failed even that basic test, confusing the Kurds (a minority ethnic group beleaguered by ISIS) with the Quds Force (the elite operatives of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps).
The global jihad is complex, comprising terrorist organizations and abettors that include rogue nations and other shady accomplices. Their fluid alliances and internecine rivalries often defy the Sunni–Shiite divide. Matters are complicated further still by ideological allies such as the Muslim Brotherhood that feign moderation while supporting the jihadist agenda. The threat is openly aggressive on its own turf but operates by stealth in the West. A president may not have to be good with names to oppose it effectively, but he has to grasp the animating ideology, the power relations, and the goals of the players—and how weakening one by strengthening another can degrade rather than promote our security.
Donald Trump does not have a clue about any of this, careening wildly from vows to stay out of the fray (leaving it in Vladimir Putin’s nefarious hands) to promises that the earth will be indiscriminately scorched. The threat against us has metastasized in our eighth year under a president who quite consciously appeases the enemy. But the remedy is not a president oblivious of the enemy.
— Andrew C. McCarthy, a contributing editor of National Review, is a former chief assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted terrorism cases.
DAVID McINTOSH
Donald Trump is no conservative. He’s a populist whose theme is: Our government is broken, and I’ll fix it.
He’s right on point one: Both parties have failed to lead. Obama and congressional Democrats manipulate the levers of power to push America farther toward European socialism; Republicans promise free-market alternatives but end up caving in to pressure or carrying water for the GOP’s own big-government special interests.
The American people have signaled in recent elections that they’ve had enough of business as usual, and now they want to clean house. Yet Trump is no better than what we already have. He’ll say anything to get a vote but give us more of the same if he gets into office.
Trump beguiles us, defies the politically correct media, and bullies anyone who points out that the emperor has no clothes. None of that makes him a conservative who cherishes liberty.
For decades, Trump has argued for big government. About health care he has said: “Everybody’s got to be covered†and “The government’s gonna pay for it.†He has called for boycotts of American companies he doesn’t like, told bureaucrats to use eminent domain to get him better deals on property he wanted to develop, and proudly proposed the largest tax increase in American history. Trump has also promised to use tariffs to punish companies that incur his disfavor. He offers grand plans for massive new spending but no serious proposals for spending cuts or entitlement reforms.
These are not the ideas of a small-government conservative who understands markets. They are, instead, the ramblings of a liberal wannabe strongman who will use and abuse the power of the federal government to impose his ideas on the country.
My old boss, Ronald Reagan, once said, “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy without controlling people.†Reagan fought for economic freedom, for reining in government so the private sector could thrive. That’s economic conservatism. It is not Donald Trump.
— David McIntosh is the president of The Club for Growth.
MICHAEL MEDVED
Which dictionary definition of the word “conservative,†as either an adjective or a noun, applies comfortably to Donald Trump?
Is he “traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness� (Please stifle your laughter.)
Does he count as “cautiously moderate�
Would he describe himself as an individual who is “disposed to preserve existing conditions and institutions, or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change�
Trump’s defenders insist that his flashy, shameless, non-conservative style will help win support for his views, which are, they say, substantively conservative. But where, exactly, do we find the conservative substance?
His much-heralded hard line on immigration discards pragmatic reform policies favored by the two most popular conservatives of the last half century, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Building a yuuuuge wall along the southern border hardly qualifies as a “cautiously moderate†approach, nor would uprooting 11 million current residents (and, presumably, millions more of their American-citizen children and spouses) in the greatest forced migration in human history.
Worst of all, Trump’s brawling, blustery, mean-spirited public persona serves to associate conservatives with all the negative stereotypes that liberals have for decades attached to their opponents on the right. According to conventional caricature, conservatives are selfish, greedy, materialistic, bullying, misogynistic, angry, and intolerant. They are, we’re told, privileged and pampered elitists who revel in the advantages of inherited wealth while displaying only cruel contempt for the less fortunate and the less powerful. The Left tried to smear Ronald Reagan in such terms but failed miserably because he displayed none of the stereotypical traits. In contrast, Trump is the living, breathing, bellowing personification of all the nasty characteristics Democrats routinely ascribe to Republicans.
And then there’s the uncomfortable, unavoidable issue of racism. Even those who take Trump at his word—accepting his declaration that he qualifies as the least racist individual in the nation— can imagine the parade of negative ads the Democrats are already preparing for radio stations with mainly black audiences and for Spanish-language television. Even if Trump won a crushing majority of self-described white voters, he could hardly improve on Romney’s landslide victory—59 percent to 39 percent—in that demographic group.
If Trump becomes the nominee, the GOP is sure to lose the 2016 election. But the problem is much larger: Will the Republican party and the conservative movement survive? If Asians and Latinos come to reject Republican candidates as automatically and overwhelmingly as African Americans do, the party will lose all chance of capturing the presidency, and, inevitably, it will face the disappearance of its congressional and gubernatorial majorities as well. There is one sure strategy to pursue if the GOP for some reason wishes to suffer such self-inflicted wounds: nominate a presidential candidate who exemplifies the most unpleasant, and non-conservative, characteristics that the mainstream media and liberal pundits invoke to demonize the Right.
— Michael Medved hosts a daily radio talk show heard on more than 300 stations across the country.
EDWIN MEESE III
There are two tactical approaches for candidates seeking their party’s nomination in election campaigns. One is to strongly debate the issues and firmly advocate your positions, but to avoid personal attacks on your opponents or needless divisiveness. The other is to vigorously attack your fellow candidates, disparaging them personally and seeking to raise yourself up by dragging them down.
Ronald Reagan was famous for epitomizing the former path. Donald Trump, unfortunately, has chosen to follow the latter course.
When Reagan first ran for governor of California in 1966, his party was deeply divided by past electoral conflicts. To restore unity, he adopted a new political rule, which had been proposed by the party chairman: the Eleventh Commandment, “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.†The goal was to avoid internecine warfare during the primary, which could lead to defeat in the general election.
While contending for the nomination, Reagan showed respect for his primary opponent and even left open places in his campaign organization so that he could eventually include those party leaders who had initially opposed him. The resulting coalition won the general election by an overwhelming margin. Reagan kept the Eleventh Commandment in his subsequent contests for the presidency, and it was a unifying factor in his victories in the 1980s.
At the beginning of the current campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, it appeared that the party had one of the strongest arrays of candidates in many years—successful governors, senators, business and professional leaders, etc. Today, however, the political atmosphere is polluted by the vicious personal attacks that the Republican contenders have unleashed against one another.
Heading the attackers, in both vigor and vitriol, has been Donald Trump. His broadsides can almost be predicted by the other candidates’ standing in the polls. The result has been to divide and discourage potential Republican-party supporters.
Questionable assertions that an opponent is not eligible to run, or that another cannot be elected, or that still another lacks enthusiasm or energy, are a poor substitute for addressing the real issues that should be the basis for a positive campaign: restoring economic growth, strengthening national security, eliminating cronyism and corruption, and improving the lives of all Americans.
At a time when the nation is suffering under one of the most divisive and incompetent presidents in history, our people need positive, unifying leadership, not negative, destructive political rhetoric.
— Edwin Meese III served in Ronald Reagan’s gubernatorial and presidential administrations. These views are his own and do not necessarily reflect those of any organization with which he is affiliated.
RUSSELL MOORE
In 2009, the Manhattan Declaration, led by Chuck Colson and Robert P. George, reaffirmed the three primary goals of religious conservatives: to protect all human life, including that of the unborn; to reinforce the sanctity of marriage and the family; and to conserve the religious freedom of all persons. All three goals would be in jeopardy under a Trump presidency.
Yes, Trump says that he is pro-life now, despite having supported partial-birth abortion in the past. The problem is not whether he can check a box. Pro-life voters expect leaders to have a coherent vision of human dignity and to be able to defend against assaults on human life in the future—some of which may be unimaginable today and will present themselves only as new technologies develop.
Trump’s supposed pro-life conversion is rooted in Nietzschean, social-Darwinist terms. He knew a child who was to be aborted who grew up to be a “superstar.†Beyond that, Trump’s vitriolic—and often racist and sexist—language about immigrants, women, the disabled, and others ought to concern anyone who believes that all persons, not just the “winners†of the moment, are created in God’s image.
One also cannot help but look at the personal life of the billionaire. It is not just that he has abandoned one wife after another for a younger woman, or that he has boasted about having sex with some of the “top women of the world.†It’s that he says, after all that, that he has no need to seek forgiveness.
At the same time, Trump has made millions off a casino industry that, as social conservatives have rightly argued, not only exploits personal vice but destroys families.
One may say that Trump’s personal life and business dealings are irrelevant to his candidacy, but conservatives have argued for generations that virtue matters, in the citizenry and in the nation’s leaders. Can conservatives really believe that, if elected, Trump would care about protecting the family’s place in society when his own life is—unapologetically—what conservatives used to recognize as decadent?
Under withering assault in the Obama years, social conservatives have maintained, consistent with the beliefs of the Founders, that religious freedom is a natural right, not a matter of special pleading to be submitted to majority vote. Most Americans do not agree with the Little Sisters of the Poor on contraception, and the sisters do not have a powerful lobby in Washington. This shouldn’t matter. Trump’s willingness to ban Muslims, even temporarily, from entering the country simply because of their religious affiliation would make Jefferson spin in his grave.
Trump can win only in the sort of celebrity-focused mobocracy that Neil Postman warned us about years ago, in which sound moral judgments are displaced by a narcissistic pursuit of power combined with promises of “winning†for the masses. Social and religious conservatives have always seen this tendency as decadent and deviant. For them to view it any other way now would be for them to lose their soul.
— Russell Moore is the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention and the author of Onward: Engaging the Culture without Losing the Gospel.
MICHAEL B. MUKASEY
For a hint of why a Donald Trump presidency would imperil our national security, consider just a couple of Trump’s suggestions for protecting us against Islamist terrorists.
He would start with a “temporary†ban on the entry of alien Muslims into the United States until “our leaders can figure out what the hell is going on.†This prescription overlooks that many people already have figured out precisely “what the hell is going onâ€â€”that we face a supremacist movement based in Islam that is intent on destroying Western civilization—and have intelligent suggestions for dealing with it. Moreover, Trump’s proposal would assure the enmity of all Muslims, including those whose support we need if we are to prevail.
Even assuming an infallible way to identify who is Muslim, the proposal is both under- and over-inclusive. It is under-inclusive because it does not address potential terrorists who have U.S. passports or residence permits, or are already here, or may threaten us abroad; it is over-inclusive because it bars the huge majority of Muslims who are not potential terrorists.
Trump says he would order the military to kill the families of terrorists. That would be a direct violation of the most basic laws of armed conflict, which require that deadly force be used only when required by military necessity, under circumstances that allow distinction between military and civilian targets, and when incidental damage to non-military targets is proportional to the military advantage gained. A military that adhered to the laws of armed conflict would necessarily disobey such an order; if it followed the order, both the person who gave it and those who followed it would be subject to prosecution for war crimes.
We have already suffered seven years of feckless leadership that has invited the contempt of our enemies and the distrust of our friends. We remain the world’s strongest power and can recover; but to inspire the respect that creates fear and trust when and where each is necessary, we will need a president who summons our strength with a reality-based strategic vision, not one who summons applause with tantrums and homicidal fantasies.
— Michael B. Mukasey served as U.S. attorney general from 2007 to 2009 and as a U.S. district judge from 1988 to 2006. He has advised the Jeb Bush campaign on national-security issues.
KATIE PAVLICH
Given the high stakes both at home and abroad, America cannot afford to elect a man who is not rooted in conservatism. And Donald Trump, a political con man who sympathizes with hit man Vladimir Putin and “Republicans†such as Charlie Crist, manifestly is not.
Trump has made a living out of preying on and bullying society’s most vulnerable, with the help of government. He isn’t an outsider, but rather an unelected politician of the worst kind. He admits that he’s bought off elected officials in order get his way and to openly abuse the system.
The rabid defense he gets from some quarters is astonishing. Trump’s liberal positions aren’t in the distant past—he has openly promoted them on the campaign trail. Trump isn’t fighting for anyone but himself, which has been his pattern for decades.
Conservatives have a serious decision. Do we truly believe in our long-held principles and insist that politicians have records demonstrating fealty to them? Or are we willing to throw these principles away because an entertainer who has been a liberal Democrat for decades simply says some of the right things?
In short, do our principles still matter? A vote for Trump indicates the answer is “No.â€
— Katie Pavlich is the editor of Townhall and a best-selling author.​
JOHN PODHORETZ
Donald Trump is the apotheosis of a tendency that began to manifest itself in American culture in the 1980s, most notably in the persons of the comic Andrew Dice Clay and the shock jock Howard Stern: the American id. Guys like the Dice Man and Stern had been told and taught and trained by respectable middlebrow culture to believe that their tastes and desires were piggish and thuggish and gross, and they said: So be it! Clay filled stadiums across the country with young men who chanted dirty nursery rhymes along with him. Stern invited young actresses onto his show to discuss their breasts. The screams of outrage that greeted them were part of the act.
Clay had nowhere to go with his shtick after a few years and faded away. Stern adapted to changing circumstances. But the American id remained, as ids do. You want to call me a goon? Fine, so I’ll act like a goon, see how you like it. The cultural signposts Trump brandished in the years preceding his presidential bid are all manifestations of the American id—his steak business, his casino business, his green-marble-and-chrome architecture, his love life minutely detailed in the columns of Cindy Adams, his involvement with Vince McMahon’s wrestling empire, and his reality-TV persona as the immensely rich guy who treats people like garbage but has no fancy airs. This id found its truest voice in his repellent assertion that the first black president needed to prove to Trump’s satisfaction that he was actually an American.
In any integrated personality, the id is supposed to be balanced by an ego and a superego—by a sense of self that gravitates toward behaving in a mature and responsible way when it comes to serious matters, and, failing that, has a sense of shame about transgressing norms and common decencies. Trump is an unbalanced force. He is the politicized American id. Should his election results match his polls, he would be, unquestionably, the worst thing to happen to the American common culture in my lifetime.
— John Podhoretz is the editor of Commentary.
R. R. RENO
Trump has always been Trump. His public pronouncements over the last few decades give no evidence of consistent or coherent political views. By comparison, Hillary Clinton is a principled public figure. He made noises about running in 2000 and was serious in 2012, but the talk went nowhere. When he declared in 2015, we laughed again.
Donald Trump? Absurd!
Boy, were we wrong.
I suppose we should have known better. The Republican party has become home to a growing number of Americans who want to burn down our political and economic systems and hang our cultural elites. They’re tired of being policed by political correctness, often with the complicity of supposed conservatives. They don’t like Republican candidates who denounce them as “takers†with no future in the global economy. And they suspect, rightly, that the Chamber of Commerce will sell them down the river if it adds to the bottom line.
All true, but it’s sad that this frustrated cohort now fixes on Trump as its savior.
He presents himself as a Strong Man who promises to knock heads and make things right again. In this, he has a lot more in common with South American populist demagogues than with our tradition of political leaders.
But I suppose that’s the reason for his popularity. The middle-class consensus in America has collapsed. This is the most important political and social earthquake since World War II. The conservative movement’s leadership isn’t up to the challenge, and a good number of voters are willing to gamble on Trump’s bluster. Bad bet. Our nation’s solidarity is being tested. It will only make things worse if we go Trumpster diving.
— R. R. Reno is the editor of First Things.
THOMAS SOWELL
In a country with more than 300 million people, it is remarkable how obsessed the media have become with just one—Donald Trump. What is even more remarkable is that, after seven years of repeated disasters, both domestically and internationally, under a glib egomaniac in the White House, so many potential voters are turning to another glib egomaniac to be his successor.
No doubt much of the stampede of Republican voters toward Mr. Trump is based on their disgust with the Republican establishment. It is easy to understand why there would be pent-up resentments among Republican voters. But are elections held for the purpose of venting emotions?
No national leader ever aroused more fervent emotions than Adolf Hitler did in the 1930s. Watch some old newsreels of German crowds delirious with joy at the sight of him. The only things at all comparable in more recent times were the ecstatic crowds that greeted Barack Obama when he burst upon the political scene in 2008.
Elections, however, have far more lasting and far more serious—or even grim—consequences than emotional venting. The actual track record of crowd pleasers, whether Juan Perón in Argentina, Obama in America, or Hitler in Germany, is very sobering, if not painfully depressing.
After the disastrous nuclear deal with Iran, we are entering an era when people alive at this moment may live to see a day when American cities are left in radioactive ruins. We need all the wisdom, courage, and dedication in the next president — and his or her successors — to save us and our children from such a catastrophe.
A shoot-from-the-hip, bombastic showoff is the last thing we need or can afford.
— Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.
CAL THOMAS
I wanted to like Donald Trump, much as I wanted to like Richard Nixon’s vice president, Spiro Agnew. Both men have said many things with which I agree. Agnew attacked media bias, and Trump attacks the establishment’s failure to “make America great,†as he nonspecifically puts it. But a proper diagnosis does not equal competence in administering a cure.
If I developed a brain tumor, I would want Ben Carson to operate on me, but do I want Donald Trump “operating†on America?
Everyone has a temperament. The dictionary defines it as “the combination of mental, physical, and emotional traits of a person.†Would Trump’s “combination†make him a good president? I think not.
I once compared Trump to Lonesome Rhodes, the character played by Andy Griffith in the 1957 film A Face in the Crowd. Trump might also be compared to Elmer Gantry, the fictional evangelist who used religion to mask his dark side.
On January 13, Trump spoke to a packed convention center in Pensacola, Fla. While he made many good points—especially when it came to uncontrolled immigration—he was rambling and unfocused. He spent time criticizing his “poor-quality†microphone and said he wasn’t going to pay for it. Far cry from Ronald Reagan’s “I am paying for this microphone†line during the 1980 New Hampshire–primary campaign, which conveyed strength, not petulance.
In Pensacola, Trump again drew wild applause when he repeated his promise to build a wall along the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it. The wall keeps getting higher as the story gets older. He never says how he will force Mexico to pay.
Anger is not policy. Trump channels a lot of the righteous (and some of the unrighteous) anger of voters and sees the solution as himself. Isn’t a narcissist what we currently have in the White House?
— Cal Thomas is a nationally syndicated USA Today columnist and a Fox News contributor.
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And the accompanying editorial:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430137/donald-trump-conservative-movement-menace
Against Trump
January 21, 2016 10:00 PM
Donald Trump leads the polls nationally and in most states in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. There are understandable reasons for his eminence, and he has shown impressive gut-level skill as a campaigner. But he is not deserving of conservative support in the caucuses and primaries. Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones.
Trump’s political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Bernie Sanders have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.) Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it.
His signature issue is concern over immigration — from Latin America but also, after Paris and San Bernardino, from the Middle East. He has exploited the yawning gap between elite opinion in both parties and the public on the issue, and feasted on the discontent over a government that can’t be bothered to enforce its own laws no matter how many times it says it will (President Obama has dispensed even with the pretense). But even on immigration, Trump often makes no sense and can’t be relied upon. A few short years ago, he was criticizing Mitt Romney for having the temerity to propose “self-deportation,†or the entirely reasonable policy of reducing the illegal population through attrition while enforcing the nation’s laws. Now, Trump is a hawk’s hawk.
He pledges to build a wall along the southern border and to make Mexico pay for it. We need more fencing at the border, but the promise to make Mexico pay for it is silly bluster. Trump says he will put a big door in his beautiful wall, an implicit endorsement of the dismayingly conventional view that current levels of legal immigration are fine. Trump seems unaware that a major contribution of his own written immigration plan is to question the economic impact of legal immigration and to call for reform of the H-1B–visa program. Indeed, in one Republican debate he clearly had no idea what’s in that plan and advocated increased legal immigration, which is completely at odds with it. These are not the meanderings of someone with well-informed, deeply held views on the topic.
As for illegal immigration, Trump pledges to deport the 11 million illegals here in the United States, a herculean administrative and logistical task beyond the capacity of the federal government. Trump piles on the absurdity by saying he would re-import many of the illegal immigrants once they had been deported, which makes his policy a poorly disguised amnesty (and a version of a similarly idiotic idea that appeared in one of Washington’s periodic “comprehensive†immigration reforms). This plan wouldn’t survive its first contact with reality.
On foreign policy, Trump is a nationalist at sea. Sometimes he wants to let Russia fight ISIS, and at others he wants to “bomb the sh**†out of it. He is fixated on stealing Iraq’s oil and casually suggested a few weeks ago a war crime — killing terrorists’ families — as a tactic in the war on terror. For someone who wants to project strength, he has an astonishing weakness for flattery, falling for Vladimir Putin after a few coquettish bats of the eyelashes from the Russian thug. All in all, Trump knows approximately as much about national security as he does about the nuclear triad — which is to say, almost nothing.
Indeed, Trump’s politics are those of an averagely well-informed businessman: Washington is full of problems; I am a problem-solver; let me at them. But if you have no familiarity with the relevant details and the levers of power, and no clear principles to guide you, you will, like most tenderfeet, get rolled. Especially if you are, at least by all outward indications, the most poll-obsessed politician in all of American history. Trump has shown no interest in limiting government, in reforming entitlements, or in the Constitution. He floats the idea of massive new taxes on imported goods and threatens to retaliate against companies that do too much manufacturing overseas for his taste. His obsession is with “winning,†regardless of the means — a spirit that is anathema to the ordered liberty that conservatives hold dear and that depends for its preservation on limits on government power. The Tea Party represented a revival of an understanding of American greatness in these terms, an understanding to which Trump is tone-deaf at best and implicitly hostile at worst. He appears to believe that the administrative state merely needs a new master, rather than a new dispensation that cuts it down to size and curtails its power.
It is unpopular to say in the year of the “outsider,†but it is not a recommendation that Trump has never held public office. Since 1984, when Jesse Jackson ran for president with no credential other than a great flow of words, both parties have been infested by candidates who have treated the presidency as an entry-level position. They are the excrescences of instant-hit media culture. The burdens and intricacies of leadership are special; experience in other fields is not transferable. That is why all American presidents have been politicians, or generals.
Any candidate can promise the moon. But politicians have records of success, failure, or plain backsliding by which their promises may be judged. Trump can try to make his blankness a virtue by calling it a kind of innocence. But he is like a man with no credit history applying for a mortgage — or, in this case, applying to manage a $3.8 trillion budget and the most fearsome military on earth.
Trump’s record as a businessman is hardly a recommendation for the highest office in the land. For all his success, Trump inherited a real-estate fortune from his father. Few of us will ever have the experience, as Trump did, of having Daddy-O bail out our struggling enterprise with an illegal loan in the form of casino chips. Trump’s primary work long ago became less about building anything than about branding himself and tending to his celebrity through a variety of entertainment ventures, from WWE to his reality-TV show, The Apprentice. His business record reflects the often dubious norms of the milieu: using eminent domain to condemn the property of others; buying the good graces of politicians — including many Democrats — with donations. Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism.
Trump has gotten far in the GOP race on a brash manner, buffed over decades in New York tabloid culture. His refusal to back down from any gaffe, no matter how grotesque, suggests a healthy impertinence in the face of postmodern PC (although the insults he hurls at anyone who crosses him also speak to a pettiness and lack of basic civility). His promise to make America great again recalls the populism of Andrew Jackson. But Jackson was an actual warrior; and President Jackson made many mistakes. Without Jackson’s scars, what is Trump’s rhetoric but show and strut?
If Trump were to become the president, the Republican nominee, or even a failed candidate with strong conservative support, what would that say about conservatives? The movement that ground down the Soviet Union and took the shine, at least temporarily, off socialism would have fallen in behind a huckster. The movement concerned with such “permanent things†as constitutional government, marriage, and the right to life would have become a claque for a Twitter feed.
Trump nevertheless offers a valuable warning for the Republican party. If responsible men irresponsibly ignore an issue as important as immigration, it will be taken up by the reckless. If they cannot explain their Beltway maneuvers — worse, if their maneuvering is indefensible — they will be rejected by their own voters. If they cannot advance a compelling working-class agenda, the legitimate anxieties and discontents of blue-collar voters will be exploited by demagogues. We sympathize with many of the complaints of Trump supporters about the GOP, but that doesn’t make the mogul any less flawed a vessel for them.
Some conservatives have made it their business to make excuses for Trump and duly get pats on the head from him. Count us out. Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot in behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as the Donald himself.
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In a letter to National Review, Leo Strauss wrote that “a conservative, I take it, is a man who despises vulgarity; but the argument which is concerned exclusively with calculations of success, and is based on blindness to the nobility of the effort, is vulgar.†Isn’t Donald Trump the very epitome of vulgarity?
In sum: Isn’t Trumpism a two-bit Caesarism of a kind that American conservatives have always disdained? Isn’t the task of conservatives today to stand athwart Trumpism, yelling Stop?
I have no idea what the fuck any of that means.
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The Republican National Committee announced late Thursday that the venerable conservative magazine National Review had been dropped as a debate sponsor after it published an issue devoted to why voters should reject Donald Trump's presidential campaign.
RNC spokesman Sean Spicer confirmed to Buzzfeed News that the magazine had been dropped as a sponsor of the Feb. 25 debate in Houston, saying "a debate moderator can't have a predisposition."
"We expected this was coming," National Review publisher Jack Fowler wrote in a blog post early Friday, calling the RNC move a "small price to pay for speaking the truth about The Donald."
The move by the RNC leaves CNN, Salem Media and Telemundo as the remaining debate sponsors. Earlier this week, the RNC announced that it had severed ties with NBC, the previously scheduled debate host, due to dissatisfaction with the way the network conducted a debate on CNBC this past October.
The National Review issue, described as a "symposium", featured a collection of scathing anti-Trump essays from noted conservatives, underscoring the deep resistance that remains to his unorthodox candidacy, despite his commanding lead in early polls.
Three of the National Review essays came from Fox News contributors Katie Pavlich, Erick Erickson and Cal Thomas.
"Trump’s liberal positions aren’t in the distant past—he has openly promoted them on the campaign trail," Pavrich wrote. "Trump isn’t fighting for anyone but himself, which has been his pattern for decades."
At an event in Las Vegas late Thursday, Trump described the magazine "a dying paper" out for publicity. Ironically, Trump named the magazine's late founder, William F. Buckley Jr., during last week's Republican debate as an example of a conservative who came from New York in response to Sen. Ted Cruz's jibe about Trump representing "New York values".
Trump also claimed Thursday that Republican powerbrokers are "warming up" to his candidacy.
"I want to be honest, I have received so many phone calls from people that you would call establishment, from people — generally speaking ... conservatives, Republicans — that want to come onto our team," Trump told reporters in Las Vegas before an appearance at the Outdoor Sportsman Awards, also announced the endorsement of "Duck Dynasty" star Willie Robertson.
"We are getting calls from everybody that it's actually amazing. I'm actually surprised," he added. He declined to provide names.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I have no idea what the fuck any of that means.
That puts you squarely in Trump's target demo.
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The National Review is spot on. And if people will opens their minds for a second and actually read the facts they present they would see that what Chizad and I are saying is correct about trump. I want to like him. I wish I could. I wish he was all what you guys think he is. But he isn't.
I can't believe things that aren't so.
Beck, Erickson, Sowell, Pavlich .... Yeah real establishment goons they are
Anyone remember Ed Meese? Yeah he's one of the national review guys too. Also one of Reagans most coveted aides and his Ag later.
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That puts you squarely in Trump's target demo.
You stand athwart. It's just me :haha: at this guy trying so hard to make sure everyone knows how intelligent he is.
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I got your athwart, buddy. It's hanging low. When you want it, lemme know.
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I got your athwart, buddy. It's hanging low. When you want it, lemme know.
Your argument is concerned exclusively with calculations of success, and is based on blindness to the calculations of success, and is based on blindness to the nobility of the effort. You sir, should stand athwart.
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In a letter to National Review, Leo Strauss wrote that “a conservative, I take it, is a man who despises vulgarity; but the argument which is concerned exclusively with calculations of success, and is based on blindness to the nobility of the effort, is vulgar.†Isn’t Donald Trump the very epitome of vulgarity?
In sum: Isn’t Trumpism a two-bit Caesarism of a kind that American conservatives have always disdained? Isn’t the task of conservatives today to stand athwart Trumpism, yelling Stop?
I have no idea what the fuck any of that means.
He is saying the very things trump stands for are the very things the Reagan/Goldwater Wing of the party always strived to be against.
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He is saying the very things trump stands for are the very things the Reagan/Goldwater Wing of the party always strived to be against.
You need to athwart the two-bit Caesarisms.
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I read all of those opinions. With the exception of a few, it was mostly how they didn't think Trump was a moral conservative. While I would prefer a moral conservative, I don't think abortion is going to stop the run away debt.
There were good points made about his economic conservatism(or lack thereof) and his ego. But none of this disqualifies him from being a good president. The sad fact is that we have no idea how he will lean.
I think republicans are so desperate to win that they see him as having that chance. I'll be honest, I thought Romney was a very logical choice to run a fiscally conservative government. When he lost, I thought there was no hope for these idiots living in this country.
This desperation has allowed Trump to come in an energize many people. This is just how obummer did it. SO if it worked for them...
I think many feel that if you could not win with a safe guy like Romney, what the hell do you have to lose by going with Trump.
It would be nice to see Cruz or Rubio stay the course and come out a bit more exciting to the base. But maybe they are just another Romney? And Romney lost.
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https://youtu.be/rcUCLwWCihE
Trump is liberal on most things. Watch for yourself. He is wearing a costume right now fooling about 30% of primary voters. If there were not 10 candidates in the race he would be losing. 9 people are splitting the other 70%.
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I read all of those opinions. With the exception of a few, it was mostly how they didn't think Trump was a moral conservative. While I would prefer a moral conservative, I don't think abortion is going to stop the run away debt.
There were good points made about his economic conservatism(or lack thereof) and his ego. But none of this disqualifies him from being a good president. The sad fact is that we have no idea how he will lean.
I think republicans are so desperate to win that they see him as having that chance. I'll be honest, I thought Romney was a very logical choice to run a fiscally conservative government. When he lost, I thought there was no hope for these idiots living in this country.
This desperation has allowed Trump to come in an energize many people. This is just how obummer did it. SO if it worked for them...
I think many feel that if you could not win with a safe guy like Romney, what the hell do you have to lose by going with Trump.
It would be nice to see Cruz or Rubio stay the course and come out a bit more exciting to the base. But maybe they are just another Romney? And Romney lost.
Not sure how you are comparing Romney to Rubio and Cruz. Night and day differences. Have you not seem how upset the establishment is over Cruz? It seems they've backed off Trump and are on board with him. Wouldn't shock me to hear that they called a truce and made some back room deal. Typical.
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It is as they say, a "fluid" situation. But, I get the feeling that Trump will get Peroted by Bloomberg.
Hope I'm wrong but it feels like deja vu 1992.
Now, I would take Bloomberg over Hillary or the Commie. But, don't be fooled. He's claiming he doesn't like the way they run their campaigns and doesn't think Trump will be good for the country. Yeah, right.
It's 1992. He hates Trump. It's personal. I'd bet money on it.
Cruz still hanging on by a ravel but Trump can outspend him. And Bloomberg can outspend them all combined. He can throw a huge monkey wrench into the whole damn thing.
From the little personal experience that I've had in campaigns, I know that the closer to crunch time that it gets, the nastier it's going to get. And adding Bloomberg into the mix will make for some bloody water. I feel like he's simply out to prevent Trump from making it and he's fine with Billary or Commie.
He's supposedly waiting till March to decide but if Trump is still leading, I suspect he's in as a 3rd party candidate.
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It is as they say, a "fluid" situation. But, I get the feeling that Trump will get Peroted by Bloomberg.
Hope I'm wrong but it feels like deja vu 1992.
Now, I would take Bloomberg over Hillary or the Commie. But, don't be fooled. He's claiming he doesn't like the way they run their campaigns and doesn't think Trump will be good for the country. Yeah, right.
It's 1992. He hates Trump. It's personal. I'd bet money on it.
Cruz still hanging on by a ravel but Trump can outspend him. And Bloomberg can outspend them all combined. He can throw a huge monkey wrench into the whole damn thing.
From the little personal experience that I've had in campaigns, I know that the closer to crunch time that it gets, the nastier it's going to get. And adding Bloomberg into the mix will make for some bloody water. I feel like he's simply out to prevent Trump from making it and he's fine with Billary or Commie.
He's supposedly waiting till March to decide but if Trump is still leading, I suspect he's in as a 3rd party candidate.
You are supposed to put quotes around reasonably intelligent arguments to let us know where they came from.
No plagiarizing!
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/23/trump-could-shoot-person-and-not-lose-votes/79232258/
Trump: I could shoot a person and not lose votes
ON POLITICS
Mary Troyan, USA Today 3:42 p.m. EST January 23, 2016
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally at Dordt College, on Saturday, Jan. 23, 2016, in Sioux Center, Iowa. (Photo: AP)
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump, apparently concerned the deadly blizzard was infringing on his media coverage, said Saturday that he is so popular, he could shoot someone and not lose voters.
Addressing a campaign rally in Sioux Center, Iowa, Trump bragged that his "people" are the most loyal.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? It's, like, incredible," Trump said.
And in a move that any kindergartner knows would get them in trouble at school, Trump pointed his finger like a gun and cocked his thumb, just to illustrate how such a scenario might play out in Manhattan.
Trump's audience, for the record, laughed.
Link includes video.
As evidenced by the defenses of him in this thread, that's about right.
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90% of bloombergs votes would come from Hillary. Not the GOP.
Are you guys still convinced the Donald is the guy? Still nothing of substance. Just insult after insult like this race is the jerry springer show.
Quinipiac this morning has Iowa as a dead heat and Iowa state has a Cruz edge. Some seem to think these earlier polls last week were very flawed in their methods such as landline only, time of day conducted, polling all people and not people likely to caucus which is an entirely different process than normal voting. Any true poll is gonna use all forms of communication, all times of day and only people likely to actually vote. Next Monday could be a wild ride. The last two elections on the GOP side have seen the 2nd or 3rd place candidates outperform the week before polls by 6-16 points on Election Day.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/23/trump-could-shoot-person-and-not-lose-votes/79232258/
Link includes video.
As evidenced by the defenses of him in this thread, that's about right.
If trump will be beat, it will have to be by someone actually surpassing him. Meaning, he isn't gonna lose many votes. Sad but true. His supporters have their heels dug in. And are naive apparently.
The irony is that some of them I know are the same ones that poked funny of Barry's voters in 2008 for falling for the rhetoric and snappy one liners. Now they are doing the same. History repeats itself.
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90% of bloombergs votes would come from Hillary. Not the GOP.
Are you guys still convinced the Donald is the guy? Still nothing of substance. Just insult after insult like this race is the jerry springer show.
Quinipiac this morning has Iowa as a dead heat and Iowa state has a Cruz edge. Some seem to think these earlier polls last week were very flawed in their methods such as landline only, time of day conducted, polling all people and not people likely to caucus which is an entirely different process than normal voting. Any true poll is gonna use all forms of communication, all times of day and only people likely to actually vote. Next Monday could be a wild ride. The last two elections on the GOP side have seen the 2nd or 3rd place candidates outperform the week before polls by 6-16 points on Election Day.
I don't think 90%. Although early poll showed him hurting Hillary more than Trump, it was close. Blv me, when it comes time for him to enter and if he does, he'll hurt Trump more.
He hasn't spent a dollar yet and said he's willing to spend a billion. I know most of you can't fathom that kind of dough but just take it from me. It's a lot of money. More than a dump truck full.
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I don't think 90%. Although early poll showed him hurting Hillary more than Trump, it was close. Blv me, when it comes time for him to enter and if he does, he'll hurt Trump more.
He hasn't spent a dollar yet and said he's willing to spend a billion. I know most of you can't fathom that kind of dough but just take it from me. It's a lot of money. More than a dump truck full.
It will backfire on him. Right now Trump is hardly spending. He has the media waiting on his every word. When bloom joins in, they'll be right there giving Trump free pub to answer everything bloom says.
I'm not saying Trump is the best choice, but right now he knows how to play the game.
So when he says he'll build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it, is it any different than running a campaign and getting the media to pay for it?
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It will backfire on him. Right now Trump is hardly spending. He has the media waiting on his every word. When bloom joins in, they'll be right there giving Trump free pub to answer everything bloom says.
I'm not saying Trump is the best choice, but right now he knows how to play the game.
So when he says he'll build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it, is it any different than running a campaign and getting the media to pay for it?
I don't disagree about Trump. Just saying that Bloomberg can be Trump on Steroids when it comes to ability to spend. He could probably spend 10x Trumps overinflated wealth.
He is the x factor. He may not hurt Trump as much as I'm saying but it won't surprise me. I don't think he'll enter if the experts are saying that he'll hurt the Dems more. It all depends on his message and strategy--which I suspect will mostly be attacking Trump. If that's so, I think he'll help Hillary and/or the Commie.
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Trump is boycotting the final debate and won't participate.
Because:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/692312112115380224
I refuse to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo, because that would not be politically correct. Instead I will only call her a lightweight reporter!
Again conflating the very real problem of political correctness with simple decency.
If he can't handle Fox News's Megyn Kelly, he sure as shit can't handle the mainstream media legitimately in the tank for Hillary. And he sure as shit can't handle Vladamir Putin, ISIS, Kim Jong Un, or any legitimate threat...
Proving his point that idiots will back him no matter what he does.
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Trump is boycotting the final debate and won't participate.
Because:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/692312112115380224
Again conflating the very real problem of political correctness with simple decency.
If he can't handle Fox News's Megyn Kelly, he sure as shit can't handle the mainstream media legitimately in the tank for Hillary. And he sure as shit can't handle Vladamir Putin, ISIS, Kim Jong Un, or any legitimate threat...
Proving his point that idiots will back him no matter what he does.
Saw it all over the twitters and book face too. To the death.
Cruz challenged him to a one on one. And if Megyn is really the issue and Ted is stupid like Donald says, then trump should take this offer easily, right? He was about to be made to back up his authoritarian record tomorrow night. And will if he ever jumps on a stage again. People are sick of this charade. This circus. Empty rhetoric.
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Trump is boycotting the final debate and won't participate.
Because:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/692312112115380224
Again conflating the very real problem of political correctness with simple decency.
If he can't handle Fox News's Megyn Kelly, he sure as shit can't handle the mainstream media legitimately in the tank for Hillary. And he sure as shit can't handle Vladamir Putin, ISIS, Kim Jong Un, or any legitimate threat...
Proving his point that idiots will back him no matter what he does.
Hasn't he already had business dealings with Putin?
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14 reasons why people said they're voting for Mr. Toupee...AAAGGGHHHAHAHAHA!!!! SMH, the movie Idiocracy wasn't supposed to be a documentary.
http://news.groopspeak.com/14-unbelievable-reasons-people-said-they-are-voting-for-donald-trump/
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Prowler, while many here don't agree with Trump's rave to be Prez, we all do agree that your political sources are not worth a piss in a tin bucket.
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Prowler, while many here don't agree with Trump's rave to be Prez, we all do agree that your political sources are not worth a piss in a tin bucket.
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All you have to do is scour any message board, Facebook page or Twitter to see how sheeple trump supporters are. Everything they are basing their support off of isn't so. That's the sad part. And now the guy is a chicken shit. Going gets tough, he walks out. And then declines Cruz's offer. What. A. Fucking. Douche.
Fuck this piece of shit. And this is the guy people want as the commander in chief?
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Hasn't he already had business dealings with Putin?
By his own admission they've never even met. The closest they've ever been is in adjacent green rooms for a 60 mins taping. Dealing with and making big picture deals with other countries as a whole on behalf of your country is much more complex than making a business deal which he is usually successful at by using his money and influence and sometimes even eminent domain (a liberal communist style policy).
Dude, I know you are a conservative. I'm asking you to open your eyes here and see through this guys rhetoric and for what he really is. Guy is an authoritarian liberal and has been his whole life. He has no past actions to back any of this up. He is using an angry populist message to pander to an electorate that is very fed up. He will do anything, say anything and run under any label or identity to get elected.
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Prowler, while many here don't agree with Trump's rave to be Prez, we all do agree that your political sources are not worth a piss in a tin bucket.
True. But, his Rivals accoun....,I mean inside skreetz is still skrong.
#BOOMmuthaBitches
#ThatsWhyIletProwlerStay
#DontBanProwler
#HesAcommieButWeLuvHim
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Trump is boycotting the final debate and won't participate.
Because:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/692312112115380224
Again conflating the very real problem of political correctness with simple decency.
If he can't handle Fox News's Megyn Kelly, he sure as shit can't handle the mainstream media legitimately in the tank for Hillary. And he sure as shit can't handle Vladamir Putin, ISIS, Kim Jong Un, or any legitimate threat...
Proving his point that idiots will back him no matter what he does.
Republicans finally learning something from the Dem handbook.
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By his own admission they've never even met. The closest they've ever been is in adjacent green rooms for a 60 mins taping. Dealing with and making big picture deals with other countries as a whole on behalf of your country is much more complex than making a business deal which he is usually successful at by using his money and influence and sometimes even eminent domain (a liberal communist style policy).
Dude, I know you are a conservative. I'm asking you to open your eyes here and see through this guys rhetoric and for what he really is. Guy is an authoritarian liberal and has been his whole life. He has no past actions to back any of this up. He is using an angry populist message to pander to an electorate that is very fed up. He will do anything, say anything and run under any label or identity to get elected.
Dude, he thought W was a great president. He will vote for whoever has the highest numbers with an R behind their name.
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Dude, he thought W was a great president. He will vote for whoever has the highest numbers with an R behind their name.
W was da bomb! I love that man. Kicks ass and takes names.
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This little Trump stunt may be the thing that starts him on the down slide.
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This little Trump stunt may be the thing that starts him on the down slide.
That was said about the last 200 "Trump stunts". Not holding my breath.
Remember, he could shoot a man dead in the middle of fifth avenue and wouldn't lose a vote, according to him.
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That was said about the last 200 "Trump stunts". Not holding my breath.
Remember, he could shoot a man dead in the middle of fifth avenue and wouldn't lose a vote, according to him.
Once the ones in the know who are currently backing Trump move their support elsewhere, the sheep will follow.
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That was said about the last 200 "Trump stunts". Not holding my breath.
Remember, he could shoot a man dead in the middle of fifth avenue and wouldn't lose a vote, according to him.
I was never voting for the guy unless he and Hil/Bernie were the last ones standing. I admit that his campaign has intrigued me. Said so many times. And I think more than anything else, he's laid the groundwork for the way some will run their campaigns in the future. Here's a quote from GH:
"He is using an angry populist message to pander to an electorate that is very fed up."
EGG-ZACHERY!!! And I would venture a guess that the majority of these people aren't doing any real research to determine how or even if Trump can fix any of our problems. They just know that the status quo of American politics ain't workin'. They're tired of the fact that we're about to bust $19 TRILLION in debt. They're tired of our soldiers getting killed in needless conflicts around the world. Tired of double digit inflation...of sending millions of jobs to China and all parts of the world...tired of millions of people entering this country illegally and the untold damage that does to our economy and the crime rate. Tired of all of it.
It's been happening under both Democratic and Republican leadership. And what I think people who hate Trump don't get is the more you rail against the guy, the more people hear that you just want to continue with business as usual, whether you support Hillary or Bernie or Ted or Carly etc. I loathe politics and politicians. But I've done more research in the last 3 weeks than I have in the last 5 elections combined. It's because of Trump. It's because I wanted to see if there was any real substance behind what he was saying. To see if a brilliant business man that was so brash and anti-Washington could really handle the job as Commander in Chief.
I'm convinced he can't!
And I think/hope many of his supporters will come to their senses and realize the show is over. I'm just hoping that in the future, someone with some of the same bravado and brashness, who actually has a well thought out plan and a history of tackling many of these issues will capture much of the American public the way Trump has.
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EGG-ZACHERY!!! And I would venture a guess that the majority of these people aren't doing any real research to determine how or even if Trump can fix any of our problems. They just know that the status quo of American politics ain't workin'. They're tired of the fact that we're about to bust $19 TRILLION in debt. They're tired of our soldiers getting killed in needless conflicts around the world. Tired of double digit inflation...of sending millions of jobs to China and all parts of the world...tired of millions of people entering this country illegally and the untold damage that does to our economy and the crime rate. Tired of all of it.
And I'm saying, it doesn't take a rocket surgery degree to realize Trump is NOT the solution to any of that shit. But I guess he's blunt and uncouth, so stupid people somehow think he is.
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And I'm saying, it doesn't take a rocket surgery degree to realize Trump is NOT the solution to any of that shit. But I guess he's blunt and uncouth, so stupid people somehow think he is.
And that the dummy is pointing out all the problems but isn't gonna do a damn thing to fix it. If one looks close enough to his policy positions, they will see that he is part of the problem. Not the fixer. His message (which is a mirage) is that he is the one to save us all - much like others who have said the same creating a cult of personality which nothing behind it. Hitler, even Obama. A populist savior.
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And I'm saying, it doesn't take a rocket surgery degree to realize Trump is NOT the solution to any of that shit. But I guess he's blunt and uncouth, so stupid people somehow think he is.
No, he's not. He's simply run on a message of "I'm not them". And whether he's the man to fix any of this shit or not is not the point. He's right. THEY have put this country straight on the path to Greece level bankruptcy. At least Trump knows a thing or two about bankruptcy. :thumsup:
Here's the thing. Last night I read Ted Cruz' plan for a flat tax to cut the national debt in half and save SS and Medicare. I'm sure the number crunchers in his camp have number crunched and it appears that in theory...it would work. Looks damn fine on paper. I'd be all for it. I think we NEED it. I've pretty much decided that Cruz is who I'm supporting. But I don't believe for one second that this will happen or that he'll even try very hard to get it done. Well why not? Because like every other "politician" in this race, he's going to find that as soon as he tries, he's going to piss off some of the very powerful and influential people that he's beholden to, who helped put him in office.
No, Trump can't get it done either, for a variety of other reasons. But his message of "I'm not them" is enough right now for people to say fuck the status quo. IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!
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Hmm. I think I'm going to refuse to go to my next job interview. That should handily win over the favor of the people hiring me.
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No, Trump can't get it done either, for a variety of other reasons. But his message of "I'm not them" is enough right now for people to say fuck the status quo. IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!
It's not working?
Why is he leading?
Regardless of whether or not he's the "guy", you might want to strap in.
He's got to be helluva following. And most of these are right down the middle.
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Dude, he thought W was a great president. He will vote for whoever has the highest numbers with an R behind their name.
Please to be looking back with your little penis brain and find a post where I said W was a great president.
He was a shit ton better than the black Jesus and I NEVER doubted whose side he was on!
But please to be searching?
I'll hang up and listen...
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It's not working?
Why is he leading?
Regardless of whether or not he's the "guy", you might want to strap in.
He's got to be helluva following. And most of these are right down the middle.
When you have a typo, do you put white-out on your computer screen?
Boom...Pow...that very original joke just happened. Srsly, I was talking about what "politicians" have been doing to this country. That's what's not working.
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OOOOoooooo....he say you have a penis brain.
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OOOOoooooo....he say you have a penis brain.
I think slander is mandatory to be a Trump supporter.
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I think slander is mandatory to be a Trump supporter.
He doesn't have a penis brain?
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When you have a typo, do you put white-out on your computer screen?
Boom...Pow...that very original joke just happened. Srsly, I was talking about what "politicians" have been doing to this country. That's what's not working.
Sorry. Hard to tell that through the white-out!
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Sorry. Hard to tell that through the white-out!
Good. Now go away before I taunt you a second time.
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I'd take Trump any day and twice on Sunday if he is up against Hillary or Sanders.
For God's sake Sanders is a fucking Socialist. Do you hear that...a Fucking SOCIALIST. We have fought wars to beat back socialism. You can not possibly have socialism and still abide by the constitution.
And Hillary. She's a Fucking CRIMINAL. And not just for the emails.
Bush: Pussy
Kasich: Whiner
Rubio: as deep as a puddle
Carson: While nice enough guy, he's DULL
Paul: Horrible on foreign policy
Christie: Obama Hugging Fat Ass Moderate
Cruz: Fine with me but will get pummeled in the general election
Fiorina: I like her but she has been shut out by the establishment and the media
Huckabee: really???
Santorum: Really????
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It's not working?
Why is he leading?
Regardless of whether or not he's the "guy", you might want to strap in.
He's got to be helluva following. And most of these are right down the middle.
3/4 of the electorate doesn't want him.
And the ones who do are letting their anger guide them. The symbolic pendulum is swinging too far in the other direction. Trump is the right's 2016 version of Obama in 2008.
Give this a read:
http://www.unionleader.com/Another-View-Michael-Reagan-Trump-is-no-Reagan-Republican
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Cruz: Fine with me but will get pummeled in the general election
Thy said the same about Reagan.
The polls disagree with this premise.
Trump is the only one who loses to Hillary head to head right now. And that's before Cruz eviscerates her in the debates and before she gets indicted by the fbi.
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Thy said the same about Reagan.
The polls disagree with this premise.
Trump is the only one who loses to Hillary head to head right now. And that's before Cruz eviscerates her in the debates and before she gets indicted by the fbi.
Polls schmolls.
Trump is the only hope to derail that fucking bitch hag.
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3/4 of the electorate doesn't want him.
So you are saying the dems don't want him(no shit) and half of the republicans don't want him?
Yet he leads in the polls. Even against hitlary.
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And I'm saying, it doesn't take a rocket surgery degree to realize Trump is NOT the solution to any of that shit. But I guess he's blunt and uncouth, so stupid people somehow think he is.
Well as one supporter stated, "Having a relationship with Trump, is like having a relationship with Jesus."
No matter how big of a hammer you have, you can't pound common sense into some people.
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Polls schmolls.
Trump Bernie is the only hope to derail that fucking bitch hag.
Fixed
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Well as one supporter stated, "Having a relationship with Trump, is like having a relationship with Jesus."
No matter how big of a hammer you have, you can't pound common sense into some people.
8 years of the black Jesus is enough.
White Jesus is back!
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Here's where Kaos & CCTAU's donations are going. You were conned, but of course, this changes nothing.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/28/does-trump-like-hillary-more-than-vets.html
Donald Trump Donated More to Clintons Than Veterans
The GOP frontrunner talks about his love for vets—but his foundation gave far more to the Clintons over the years than any group that helps military veterans.
Donald Trump decided to ditch Thursday night’s debate to raise money for veterans instead. The only problem is the money is going directly to The Donald J. Trump Foundation—an organization that has given more to the Clintons than to the troops.
Trump’s campaign launched donaldtrumpforvets.com today in advance of his showy counter event in Iowa during the Republican debate. The site, featuring the image of a Ukrainian actor posing as a soldier, promises that “100% of your donations will go directly to Veterans needs.â€
Yet, clearly marked in the top left corner is the gold emblem of the Donald J. Trump Foundation. And at the bottom, a small disclosure reads: “The Donald J Trump Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.â€
As of around 6:30 p.m., the site claims that it has raised $250,000 in its less than day-old existence.
Trump’s campaign won’t say which particular groups will reap the now quarter-of-a-million dollar windfall though. And the tax forms that show how he spends the money won’t be public until 2018.
When asked about the particular organizations that would benefit, campaign spokesperson Katrina Pierson told CNN that “there might be a list on the website,†after initially claiming that she could not hear the question. “There are a lot of organizations that are in queue to sign up for this.â€
No such list is currently available on the site, and the campaign did not respond to a request for clarification from The Daily Beast. It doesn’t appear that veterans are jumping at the opportunity to collect money from the GOP frontrunner.
The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a prominent group that represents some 150,000 veterans, already said it doesn’t want a cent raised in relation to Trump’s event.
“If offered, IAVA will decline donations from Trump's event,†founder and CEO Paul Rieckhoff tweeted yesterday. “We need strong policies from candidates, not to be used for political stunts.â€
Trump’s foundation also has a history of giving paltry donations to organizations benefiting veterans while doling out enormous sums to the WWE, various evangelical and political organizations as well as the Clinton Foundation.
Tax forms examined by The Daily Beast show that in 2009, the Donald J. Trump Foundation gave a whopping $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation (then called the William J. Clinton Foundation). The following year, Trump’s Foundation, a registered 501c group, gave another $10,000 to the Clinton Foundation. Topping this off was a hefty gift of $1,000,000 to World Wrestling Entertainment, a company for which Trump has made appearances in the past.
Over a five-year span, from 2009 to 2013, the foundation gave just $57,000 to veterans’ groups, according to an estimate Forbes made last December. A significant portion of that comes from a single $25,000 donation in 2011, to the Fisher House, which helps provide homes to veterans and their families.
While essentially shafting charities benefiting veterans, the foundation was far more open-handed with conservative political groups and religious charities. This includes a $10,000 contribution in 2010 to Generation Rescue, an organization created by actress Jenny McCarthy that spreads scientifically inaccurate information about the link between vaccines and autism.
The foundation’s tax forms also show that it gave $100,000 to the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association in 2012. That same year, it gave a comparatively paltry $5,000 to the Heroes to Heroes Foundation, a group that helps veterans with PTSD. Beyond the financial contributions to religious organizations, it seems that the Trump Foundation was also trying to curry favor with shadowy political outfits.
The foundation gave $10,000 in 2012 to the Drumthwacket Foundation, which helps maintain the New Jersey governor’s mansion—and is dogged by charges that donors use it to curry favor with whoever is the state’s current governor (in this instance, fellow presidential candidate Chris Christie).
The differences between financial contributions to veterans’ groups and political organizations are enormous in some cases.
In 2013, Trump’s foundation gave $1,000 to Friends of Veterans Inc. and $5,000 to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation. That same year, it dumped $50,000 on the American Conservative Union Foundation—boosting the group that hosts the annual conservative CPAC confab.
As has been the case with Trump’s politics, his foundation has also waffled allegiances granting contributions to charities with diametrically opposed interests.
For example, in 2013, it gave $10,000 to the Iowa Family Leader Foundation—boosting a group dogmatically opposed to same-sex marriage. But the year before, it gave $20,000 to the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network. So regardless of your views on gay rights, the Trump Foundation has backed some group you should find extremely upsetting.
And the organization has always kept its friends close.
In 2014, it gave $25,000 to the American Spectator Foundation—a foundation backing a small conservative magazine whose contributing editor Jeffrey Lord is one of the most reliably pro-Trump voices on cable news.
Above and beyond his giving priorities, Trump himself has a less than admirable record on veterans’ issues. The closest he ever came to military service was being a cadet at a military academy in the early 1960s, where he earned a medal for cleanliness. When a real war in Vietnam broke out, Trump was of prime age to be drafted—but ducked service multiple times.
While Trump was busy studying, John McCain was getting tortured by his captors in North Vietnam, refusing an offer to return to the U.S. early. Trump later said that the fact that Trump got captured meant he wasn’t a real hero.
And if openly insulting all POWs everywhere wasn’t enough, Trump has also lobbied hard in the past to keep disabled veterans from being street vendors near his Trump Tower.
So as Trump tries to brand himself as a noble hero for the blue-blooded American cause of veterans, his foundation has an extensive history of shafting the very people who he is now using as political puppets.
Not only has his charitable arm not reached the hands of people coming back from war, it has instead lined the pockets of political interests like the Clintons, against whom Trump claims he is currently fighting.
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Here's where Kaos & CCTAU's donations are going. You were conned, but of course, this changes nothing.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/28/does-trump-like-hillary-more-than-vets.html
Check your Inbox on your personal email. Seems like I can get you faster throuh this x PM.
I took some new naked selfies last night.
Happy Friday babe.
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So you are saying the dems don't want him(no shit) and half of the republicans don't want him?
Yet he leads in the polls. Even against hitlary.
Follow me here.
In Iowa Trump is polling anywhere from 25 to 31% depending on who you ask. Doing math that Chizad can even nail the first time, that's roughly 3/4 of the people there that do not want trump. Since there are still 10 people in this race, 9 others are splitting that 70-75% hence putting trump in the de facto lead. Do you really think he would be in the lead if the bottom 6-7 dropped out? The head to head numbers between trump/Rubio and trump/Cruz with no one else factored in have Cruz and Rubio winning about 55-60% in each of those match ups with him. He is winning because people that have some sense are splitting their vote between 9 other people.
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Here's where Kaos & CCTAU's donations are going. You were conned, but of course, this changes nothing.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/28/does-trump-like-hillary-more-than-vets.html
Trump has not been kind to vets before this election cycle. Foxnews (who I don't love but trying to be objective here) was accused by him of doing NOTHING for the troops. When in fact they have raised over 20 million for vet causes the last several years and it's documented. Just another lie by the trumpster. Bait n switch, smoke n mirrors, lies, diversions. Makes no difference. People will follow this guy off a cliff.
His little stunt last night on 3 networks were a collective 23% of the GOP debate ratings. And it wasn't even the worst rated GOP debate this election cycle as it was about middle of the road on ratings compared to the others.
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Well as one supporter stated, "Having a relationship with Trump, is like having a relationship with Jesus."
No matter how big of a hammer you have, you can't pound common sense into some people.
On this one, we are strange bed fellows. And you are right.
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Please to be looking back with your little penis brain and find a post where I said W was a great president.
He was a shit ton better than the black Jesus and I NEVER doubted whose side he was on!
But please to be searching?
I'll hang up and listen...
Pretty sure back in the aunation/family days, you were singing his praises about what a great job he was doing in the WOT and took up for him anytime someone criticized him.
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And I'm saying, it doesn't take a rocket surgery degree to realize Trump is NOT the solution to any of that shit. But I guess he's blunt and uncouth, so stupid people somehow think he is.
And yet as soon as we vote for Johnson, we will be labeled that as the country continues to go down the drain.
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https://www.facebook.com/LovehelloU/videos/1358124757586312/
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https://www.facebook.com/LovehelloU/videos/1358124757586312/
Not far from reality either.
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https://www.facebook.com/LovehelloU/videos/1358124757586312/
https://youtu.be/PTMz_NGYbHE
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Follow me here.
In Iowa Trump is polling anywhere from 25 to 31% depending on who you ask. Doing math that Chizad can even nail the first time, that's roughly 3/4 of the people there that do not want trump. Since there are still 10 people in this race, 9 others are splitting that 70-75% hence putting trump in the de facto lead. Do you really think he would be in the lead if the bottom 6-7 dropped out? The head to head numbers between trump/Rubio and trump/Cruz with no one else factored in have Cruz and Rubio winning about 55-60% in each of those match ups with him. He is winning because people that have some sense are splitting their vote between 9 other people.
I kinda get the feeling that Trump will win Iowa, and the GOP field will narrow down to two or three as they realize he may actually win the nomination.
Trump, Bush, Cruz/Rubio. The other guys will bow out gracefully after being give some promises by the RNC.
There's no way the GOP can risk having Trump be their only hope. He's bullheaded enough to inspire the entire Democrat base to come out to vote against him.
If and when Hillary beats Bernie, I guarantee you the Left is going to have a Civil War. They will not be inspired and they will start questioning their identity. All the GOP has to do is produce a worthy candidate that can get people to the polls, and they should win.
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I kinda get the feeling that Trump will win Iowa, and the GOP field will narrow down to two or three as they realize he may actually win the nomination.
Trump, Bush, Cruz/Rubio. The other guys will bow out gracefully after being give some promises by the RNC.
There's no way the GOP can risk having Trump be their only hope. He's bullheaded enough to inspire the entire Democrat base to come out to vote against him.
If and when Hillary beats Bernie, I guarantee you the Left is going to have a Civil War. They will not be inspired and they will start questioning their identity. All the GOP has to do is produce a worthy candidate that can get people to the polls, and they should win.
Exactly this. I don't understand why no one seems to see this.
Put a Rand Paul or Kasich (although I know most on the right seem to hate Kasich), who moderates and even some liberals kinda like and it will be an absolute slam dunk.
Or put Captain Dipshit up there who conservative moderates like me will actively vote against, yes, even if it means letting Hillary win. Which will be awful. Just not as awful.
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I'd take Trump any day and twice on Sunday if he is up against Hillary or Sanders.
For God's sake Sanders is a fucking Socialist. Do you hear that...a Fucking SOCIALIST. We have fought wars to beat back socialism. You can not possibly have socialism and still abide by the constitution.
And Hillary. She's a Fucking CRIMINAL. And not just for the emails.
Bush: Pussy
Kasich: Whiner
Rubio: as deep as a puddle
Carson: While nice enough guy, he's DULL
Paul: Horrible on foreign policy
Christie: Obama Hugging Fat Ass Moderate
Cruz: Fine with me but will get pummeled in the general election
Fiorina: I like her but she has been shut out by the establishment and the media
Huckabee: really???
Santorum: Really????
THANK GOD FOR SOCIALISM. I wonder where we would be if we never had it.
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Pretty sure back in the aunation/family days, you were singing his praises about what a great job he was doing in the WOT and took up for him anytime someone criticized him.
He did a great job on the WOT. If you don't think so, you are an idiot.
His problem was he spent like a drunken sailor back at home.
I have no issues with his wartime leadership.
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I'd take Trump any day and twice on Sunday if he is up against Hillary or Sanders.
For God's sake Sanders is a fucking Socialist. Do you hear that...a Fucking SOCIALIST. We have fought wars to beat back socialism. You can not possibly have socialism and still abide by the constitution.
And Hillary. She's a Fucking CRIMINAL. And not just for the emails.
Bush: Pussy
Kasich: Whiner
Rubio: as deep as a puddle
Carson: While nice enough guy, he's DULL
Paul: Horrible on foreign policy
Christie: Obama Hugging Fat Ass Moderate
Cruz: Fine with me but will get pummeled in the general election
Fiorina: I like her but she has been shut out by the establishment and the media
Huckabee: really???
Santorum: Really????
People called Franklin D. Roosevelt a socialist when he was saving the Country from the Great Depression...just saying.
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People called Franklin D. Roosevelt a socialist when he was saving the Country from the Great Depression...just saying.
He calls himself a socialist. Pretty much makes him a socialist.
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Numbers still goingUP!
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Probably at work.
At work without these?
Military
Highways & roads
Police & Fire Depts
Public librarys
Bridges
US postal service
Student loans and grants
CIA
FBI
IRS
EPA
War
Garbage collection
Landfills
GI Bill
Public schools
Social Security
Corporate/business subsides
VA health care
Sewer System
Court System
The Polio Vaccine
...I can continue, but I'm sure y'all get the point. ALL of these and more are due to Socialism.
Again, thank goodness for socialism.
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Son, I'm only going to tell you this one time.
If you want to keep posting here, stay off the drugs.
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Another interesting take on Trump and why he resonates with the middle:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-is-shocking-vulgar-and-right-213572
Sent from my iPhone
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Trump is laughing his ass off at the rubes who support him.
http://nyti.ms/1nEKNoF
From deporting Mexican immigrants and barring Muslims to slapping a 45 percent tariff on Chinese imports, Mr. Trump invents his positions as he goes along. His supporters say they don’t care. What they may not know is how deliberately he is currying their favor. At a meeting with The Times’s editorial writers, Mr. Trump talked about the art of applause lines. “You know,†he said of his events, “if it gets a little boring, if I see people starting to sort of, maybe thinking about leaving, I can sort of tell the audience, I just say, ‘We will build the wall!’ and they go nuts.â€
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Another interesting take on Trump and why he resonates with the middle:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-is-shocking-vulgar-and-right-213572
Sent from my iPhone
That sir, is a damn fine read. Says it much better than I've been trying to say it. Again, he's not my choice but that explains why he's captured the attention of so many. Especially the last few paragraphs.
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That sir, is a damn fine read. Says it much better than I've been trying to say it. Again, he's not my choice but that explains why he's captured the attention of so many. Especially the last few paragraphs.
All the haters can do is hate. It's not about whether he's right for the nomination or not. It's about why he is even winning.
What I find interesting is that MANY older folks are listening to Trump. Guys who have been staunch republicans for a long time. Old guys and women are listening. They feel that Trump is saying what they feel!
And old people are interesting lime that. They only care abou America being badass strong again. Like when they were young. It resonates with them.
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At work without these?
Military
Highways & roads
Police & Fire Depts
Public librarys
Bridges
US postal service
Student loans and grants
CIA
FBI
IRS
EPA
War
Garbage collection
Landfills
GI Bill
Public schools
Social Security
Corporate/business subsides
VA health care
Sewer System
Court System
The Polio Vaccine
...I can continue, but I'm sure y'all get the point. ALL of these and more are due to Socialism.
Again, thank goodness for socialism.
You really need a history lesson. And quit reading those junk sites where they espouse this convenient crap.
Never mind HALF of them are local or state. Some of the others are actually paid into. Some are true functions of the federal govt such an interstates and military. Then the others are just normal taxes for public works.
Socialism implies wealth redistribution, single payer systems and controlling the means and ends of all production (goods and services). Huge difference braniac. But I'm sure your uber cool innernetz sites you read told you all of that.
Most of these things are not paid for by federal income taxes anyway. Most of every federal tax dollar goes to a combo of: entitlements (hhs) + national debt payments. Reagan figured this out in the 80s with a lengthy bipartisan study. Look it up.
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That sir, is a damn fine read. Says it much better than I've been trying to say it. Again, he's not my choice but that explains why he's captured the attention of so many. Especially the last few paragraphs.
Yes. It explains it. But it shouldn't be that way. How is this any different than 08 with Barry?
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Yes. It explains it. But it shouldn't be that way. How is this any different than 08 with Barry?
It's not. A third party outsider has taken over the GOP because the party has rested too long on "the old way" of doing it. Truth is, you can never really "Go Back" in life. You can only go forward from the position you take hold of. If the GOP would embrace this and stop with all the Reagan-thumping, they would be a better slate of candidates.
Meanwhile, over in the DNC land, you have everyone mystified by the fraud candidacy that is Bernie Sanders. I think this has been Hilary's race since she lost to Barry in '08 in spite of the piles of bodies left behind everywhere she's been. Won't be one bit surprised when Sanders ends up as her running mate. Either that or she asks Joe Biden to step in again. (VP is not subject to term limits and Obama all but endorsed such a move with last SOTU.)
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Again, thank goodness for socialism.
I don't want to get too far into the weeds with you on this, because A this thread is about Trump and B I highly suspect you are 99.9% trolling.
But just in the 0.1% chance event that you're not: Look at what is happening RIGHT NOW with Greece, Spain, Italy, Venezuela to see that Socialism simply does not work in practice. Let alone if you get into historical accounts of it taken to its logical conclusion (Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Mussolini, Castro).
Read this article published THREE DAYS AGO on the "success" of socialist Venezuela.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/29/venezuela-is-on-the-brink-of-a-complete-collapse/
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It's not. A third party outsider has taken over the GOP because the party has rested too long on "the old way" of doing it. Truth is, you can never really "Go Back" in life. You can only go forward from the position you take hold of. If the GOP would embrace this and stop with all the Reagan-thumping, they would be a better slate of candidates.
Meanwhile, over in the DNC land, you have everyone mystified by the fraud candidacy that is Bernie Sanders. I think this has been Hilary's race since she lost to Barry in '08 in spite of the piles of bodies left behind everywhere she's been. Won't be one bit surprised when Sanders ends up as her running mate. Either that or she asks Joe Biden to step in again. (VP is not subject to term limits and Obama all but endorsed such a move with last SOTU.)
The problem is that they Reagan thump to pander. But none of them come close to matching Reagans effectiveness. Trump is a fraud who saw the GOP side as the easiest way to get to the White House. Style over substance. It's as simple as that. More to do with the electorate than the candidates. If you sift through the weeds, there are several solid people on the GOP side not named trump. Not perfect mind you but all have various success in office. Even Jeb was a great governor. Kasich and Christie are good governors. Rubio and Cruz are smart young solid guys. Carson has been kinda new and different (albeit asleep).
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The problem is that they Reagan thump to pander. But none of them come close to matching Reagans effectiveness. Trump is a fraud who saw the GOP side as the easiest way to get to the White House. Style over substance. It's as simple as that. More to do with the electorate than the candidates. If you sift through the weeds, there are several solid people on the GOP side not named trump. Not perfect mind you but all have various success in office. Even Jeb was a great governor. Kasich and Christie are good governors. Rubio and Cruz are smart young solid guys. Carson has been kinda new and different (albeit asleep).
I have maintained for a good while that Jeb may have been the "best" Bush to run but he picked the wrong time.
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Could you image Obama or trump having this kind of power?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lHq433BAjVM
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-socialism-_b_7210120.html
I'm guessing this is another one of those "junk sites", nice little history lesson regarding Socialism.
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You really need a history lesson. And quit reading those junk sites where they espouse this convenient crap.
Never mind HALF of them are local or state. Some of the others are actually paid into. Some are true functions of the federal govt such an interstates and military. Then the others are just normal taxes for public works.
Socialism implies wealth redistribution, single payer systems and controlling the means and ends of all production (goods and services). Huge difference braniac. But I'm sure your uber cool innernetz sites you read told you all of that.
Most of these things are not paid for by federal income taxes anyway. Most of every federal tax dollar goes to a combo of: entitlements (hhs) + national debt payments. Reagan figured this out in the 80s with a lengthy bipartisan study. Look it up.
I'm thinking you should take a history lesson or maybe research where our tax dollars go, just saying. Also know that we have enjoyed socialism our whole lives.
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I'm thinking you should take a history lesson or maybe research where our tax dollars go, just saying. Also know that we have enjoyed socialism our whole lives.
Our income taxes go to pay the big banks the interest they charge on the currency they loan back the government.
16th amendment.
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Our income taxes go to pay the big banks the interest they charge on the currency they loan back the government.
16th amendment.
Don't confuse him with facts.
Most tax dollars go to pay the interest on the national debt + HHS. FACT. This is all on the Dept of Treasury Site and Congressional Budget Office sites prowler. But keep arguing with numbers if you wish. In Bernie you Trust.
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http://youtu.be/h6oxvm9Q68Q
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Trump whipping that ass in NH!
Well. It at least was a good debate!
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Trump whipping that ass in NH!
Well. It at least was a good debate!
I actually thought Christie and Kasich such did the best. Rubio took a step down as Chris ate him alive. Cruz and Trump held serve. Bush has done better but too little too late.
I've come around to Kasich lately. He's pragmatic. I just think he needs to explain his common core and Medicare expansion stances. But overall he's pretty solid. Actually, all of the guys on the stage minus Carson and Trump, I think would do a good job. Most of them actually already have.
Carson is clueless and asleep. Trump will fall victim to his own hubris like he's done many times in his business career. Except when running a country you don't get to write off your failures to bankruptcy protection and get a mulligan.
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I actually thought Christie and Kasich such did the best. Rubio took a step down as Chris ate him alive. Cruz and Trump held serve. Bush has done better but too little too late.
I've come around to Kasich lately. He's pragmatic. I just think he needs to explain his common core and Medicare expansion stances. But overall he's pretty solid. Actually, all of the guys on the stage minus Carson and Trump, I think would do a good job. Most of them actually already have.
Carson is clueless and asleep. Trump will fall victim to his own hubris like he's done many times in his business career. Except when running a country you don't get to write off your failures to bankruptcy protection and get a mulligan.
Four times out of a lot of successful companies is not MANY, but I see your point.
Christie and Kasich need to leave the stage. Same ole Crap. Kasich is the same ole RINOs we have in DC. And Christie ruined his chances back when he slobbed the great ONE's knob during Sandy. Many, many will never forget that.
Love Carson, but time to go.
Get us Trump, Cruz, and Rubio on stage alone, and let us see what we have.
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Four times out of a lot of successful companies is not MANY, but I see your point.
Christie and Kasich need to leave the stage. Same ole Crap. Kasich is the same ole RINOs we have in DC. And Christie ruined his chances back when he slobbed the great ONE's knob during Sandy. Many, many will never forget that.
Love Carson, but time to go.
Get us Trump, Cruz, and Rubio on stage alone, and let us see what we have.
Four times is not MANY, huh? Would like this explained to me so that I could understand it. There are plenty of people out there who are as successful or more successful (i.e., who don't overstate their wealth) than Trump who don't have 4 bankruptcies.
That's a dumb statement and I hope you really don't believe that. He started out as a multi-millionaire. Gained ground, yes. Took property from private citizens through imminent domain working through the gov't.
I'm really disappointed in your business morals if you see bankruptcy as a sound option 4 freaking times. I guess that's why you toot this con man's horn.
He's a fucking fraud man. I promise. He's saying what people like you want to hear but be can't and won't do shit. Very similar to Obama.
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Four times is not MANY, huh? Would like this explained to me so that I could understand it. There are plenty of people out there who are as successful or more successful (i.e., who don't overstate their wealth) than Trump who don't have 4 bankruptcies.
That's a dumb statement and I hope you really don't believe that. He started out as a multi-millionaire. Gained ground, yes. Took property from private citizens through imminent domain working through the gov't.
I'm really disappointed in your business morals if you see bankruptcy as a sound option 4 freaking times. I guess that's why you toot this con man's horn.
He's a fucking fraud man. I promise. He's saying what people like you want to hear but be can't and won't do shit. Very similar to Obama.
I can't keep up with your personalities. Is this AUChizad!
Out of the many companies he's had, four had to be restructured. There were many reasons. sometimes the banks did not want to work with him on his terms and sometimes they didn't not want work with him at all.
Did all of these come out of bankruptcy? Did any fail completely? How do you know the successful people never had bankruptcies at some point? It's not something that is advertised, unless they run for office. I'm not saying its not ideal. I am saying it is part of the business world. That is why you never set your company up under your own personal ID.
I don't toot his horn. I just have not gotten to the point that I condemn him...yet. There are many on here who hate him. Laughably say he is worse than Hitlary. Now that is hate right there. I would never believe He wold let Americans die in Benghazi. I don't believe ANY candidate on that stage would do that. And that alone makes them better than Hitlary.
And yet he continues to lead. His candidacy is somewhat of an anomaly.
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I can't keep up with your personalities. Is this AUChizad!
Out of the many companies he's had, four had to be restructured. There were many reasons. sometimes the banks did not want to work with him on his terms and sometimes they didn't not want work with him at all.
Did all of these come out of bankruptcy? Did any fail completely? How do you know the successful people never had bankruptcies at some point? It's not something that is advertised, unless they run for office. I'm not saying its not ideal. I am saying it is part of the business world. That is why you never set your company up under your own personal ID.
I don't toot his horn. I just have not gotten to the point that I condemn him...yet. There are many on here who hate him. Laughably say he is worse than Hitlary. Now that is hate right there. I would never believe He wold let Americans die in Benghazi. I don't believe ANY candidate on that stage would do that. And that alone makes them better than Hitlary.
And yet he continues to lead. His candidacy is somewhat of an anomaly.
How many companies has he been a majority owner or principle in?
I know that you don't know the answer, thus the use of "many" companies. Point being, you assume that a successful business man such as Trump is just going to have to endure a bankruptcy or 4. Well, that's bullshit. They don't.
However, some belly crawlers do use it as a means to advance. It's perfectly legal and makes them perfectly con men.
Sorry you can't see it. I've seen the creditor side of this myself and through others. It's no fun to be violated whether it's through bankruptcy or prison.
He's going to continue to appeal to the lowest common denominator in the working class of the GOP and I'm not saying that he won't win or that I won't vote for him over the commie.
I'm just saying he's a fraud.
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And Christie ruined his chances back when he slobbed the great ONE's knob during Sandy. Many, many will never forget that.
He touched a negro!
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He touched a negro!
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Didn't change my luck either.
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Keep waiting on this:
I still think Trump will slip up along the way. He seems to reckless in the PR department. I still feel the Republicans will end up pulling for Cruz. Not sure Rubio nor Carson can make up the ground at this point.
This little Trump stunt may be the thing that starts him on the down slide.
Is it this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHcD5-TGHvY
Nope. This is surely the thing to do him in. History's greatest monster.
https://twitter.com/Rsherlock/status/696929949689778178
#Trump came into the steak restaurant I was in. He ordered a well done rib-eye steak. Well done?!
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Keep waiting on this:
Is it this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHcD5-TGHvY
Nope. This is surely the thing to do him in. History's greatest monster.
https://twitter.com/Rsherlock/status/696929949689778178
Yes, still waiting....and hopping.
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Yes, still waiting....and hopping.
I'm hopping mad too, and I'm not going to take it anymore.
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I'm hopping mad too, and I'm not going to take it anymore.
I'm hopping to don't miss that last step or find your tires without air today.....
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Is it this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHcD5-TGHvY
*snicker*
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Princess Fiona drops out. The field narrows once again.
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Christie gone too.
Carson is on deck.
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I'm thinking you should take a history lesson or maybe research where our tax dollars go, just saying. Also know that we have enjoyed socialism our whole lives.
I don't enjoy socialism at all.
I do not enjoy having roughly 38% of my income taken away because somebody wasteful has decided that their ideas for what should happen with my money trump (pun intended) what I believe should happen.
Fuck socialism.
>Socialists take my money to employ people at meaningless paper-pushing jobs rather than giving me the economic freedom to hire and train more productive people. Fuck the snobbery of this notion.
> Socialists take my money because they don't trust me to be charitable and generous to my fellow man. They determine where my money should be spent rather than affording me the opportunity to contribute to causes and support programs within my own community. Fuck the arrogance of this notion.
> Socialists want to take my business because they are convinced that I am evil and that they -- without any experience whatsoever -- can run it more ably than I can. I want to make a profit. I want to build my business to be as strong as it possibly can so that I can employ more people and make more money. They want to decide how much I can make. Fuck them until they are all dead.
> Socialists foolishly believe that a bigger government can legislate an equality of outcome. They ignore the fact that America succeeded because it was a land of opportunity, not a land of government mandates. Fuck them.
> Socialists rarely make their own money, they live off the money I make and then have the unmitigated gall to criticize the means by which I make it. Fuck them until their corpses have turned to dust.
Fuck socialism. Fuck any damn loon who supports it.
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I don't enjoy socialism at all.
I do not enjoy having roughly 38% of my income taken away because somebody wasteful has decided that their ideas for what should happen with my money trump (pun intended) what I believe should happen.
Fuck socialism.
>Socialists take my money to employ people at meaningless paper-pushing jobs rather than giving me the economic freedom to hire and train more productive people. Fuck the snobbery of this notion.
> Socialists take my money because they don't trust me to be charitable and generous to my fellow man. They determine where my money should be spent rather than affording me the opportunity to contribute to causes and support programs within my own community. Fuck the arrogance of this notion.
> Socialists want to take my business because they are convinced that I am evil and that they -- without any experience whatsoever -- can run it more ably than I can. I want to make a profit. I want to build my business to be as strong as it possibly can so that I can employ more people and make more money. They want to decide how much I can make. Fuck them until they are all dead.
> Socialists foolishly believe that a bigger government can legislate an equality of outcome. They ignore the fact that America succeeded because it was a land of opportunity, not a land of government mandates. Fuck them.
> Socialists rarely make their own money, they live off the money I make and then have the unmitigated gall to criticize the means by which I make it. Fuck them until their corpses have turned to dust.
Fuck socialism. Fuck any damn loon who supports it.
Hear here. And a hearty HARUMPH!!!
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Hey idiot called Prowler.
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I'll say it again, maybe some of you will finally understand it...or you can just sit back and bah like dumbasses, whatever floats your boat.
Socialist programs are taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.
You know that highway you drive on everyday to and from work...that's thanks to Socialism.
Social Security? Thanks to Socialism.
Veteran's Health Care? Socialism
Go back a page or two to read the rest...all of that is thanks to Socialism. We live with it every single day of our lives.
#FeelTheBern
#RubioisGay
#MicDrop
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Veteran's Health Care? Socialism
You're full of shit.
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#MicDrop
Please don't pick it up again.
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Prowler didn't pay attention in World History class.
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Socialist programs are taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.
As I said.
Taking money from me and giving it to other people for no reason whatsoever.
No thank you.
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You're full of shit.
That was my first and last impression!
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You're full of shit.
Our tax dollars go to that so, yeah, socialist program. Democratic Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders was Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affair. He authored a bill for Veterans, the bill needed 60 votes, it got 56 (only two of the 56 were Republicans). He wanted to use some of the billions of tax payers dollars that was allotted for the wars overseas to help pay for it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/27/veterans-legislation-bernie-sanders-senate/5859217/
Boooo Socialism...smh. It's as if some here don't realize that some socialism is a good thing and we've all enjoyed socialism our whole lives.
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Our tax dollars go to that so, yeah, socialist program. Democratic Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders was Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affair. He authored a bill for Veterans, the bill needed 60 votes, it got 56 (only two of the 56 were Republicans). He wanted to use some of the billions of tax payers dollars that was allotted for the wars overseas to help pay for it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/27/veterans-legislation-bernie-sanders-senate/5859217/
Boooo Socialism...smh. It's as if some here don't realize that some socialism is a good thing and we've all enjoyed socialism our whole lives.
My life was signed onto that dotted line on the contract. To me and everyone else who put it there, it's a more than earned benefit.
That deranged babbling psychopathic communist you adore tried to pass off the reports of veteran deaths and secret waiting lists coming out of VA hospitals across the country as partisan attacks meant to discredit the agency. He was made aware of VA malfeasance for YEARS and did NOTHING about it but aid in its coverup. He should be hanged for that. The guy is a fucking deadbeat fool who has accomplished jack shit in his worthless 74 years on this earth. Fuck him and every brain dead moron who stands behind him.
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Gotta go with PCT on this one. And any mother fucker who plans on raising my tax rate another 5% to give it to entitled, worthless pieces of shit can die in a fire. You take MORE out of my pocket and off my family's table, you can go fuck yourself.
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Not only that, the VA and some in Congress agreed to 247 dead soldiers to be dumped in landfills. Guess who the the guy in charge was?
So let's promote and monkey behind some Socialist party asshat who wants to spread the wealth to many who are lazy fucks? Oh that's cool, this guy is gonna give me money. Ima vote for him. Oh, and to hell with those Vets who have either died or live in a handicap state as long as I gotz my monies.
Screw that. Prowler, come on brother. Im not sold on any of these candidates but this crazy moonbat is off his rocker.
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The only people who like the idea of socialism or Bernie, are the people who are going to benefit from his policies. I won't. As a matter of fact, I'm going to end up being in the tax bracket that gets raped when all of the big money people move the fuck out of this country. The middle class and above will be punished and forced to pay for the low class piece of shit motherfuckers who either haven't developed enough skills to afford nice things, aren't willing to work harder than the next man, or just flat out refuse to work.
Fuck those motherfuckers. I'll gladly pay my part to have decent roads to drive on, or education for our children. But fuck anyone who wants me to pay their part as well.
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When you hand out free stuff somebody has to pay for that. When you can get more by not working than by working that's called disincentive. An inverted pyramid like that is destined to collapse. No way to avoid it as fewer and fewer carry the weight of the masses. It breaks. Always.
FDR started us down this road. It was a mistake then and has only grown worse since.
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I miss Ike.
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I think most people want to have "some" social programs for gov't to function in a way we want. To grasp onto all social programs and parade with them on a socialism cause doesn't make much sense. There are pmany failed social programs and wasted dollars that are also a part of the spending.
The biggest difference that I perceive in far left socialism is that they have no qualms in taking from the haves. It is to their advantage because they produce nothing. They typically come from academia or some other gov't career in which there is little accountability and a lot of protection. In other words, they've never had to make payroll or worry about numbers. (e.g. sales, revenues, costs, bank account)
Regardless, our government has done an incredibly shittay job of taking care of our Vets. Sickening, actually. I realize it's not going to be like a 5 star hotel service but some of these places and some treatment is just bad. Because of accountability.
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50% putting into the pot. 100% taking out. Yeah, sounds real fair prowler.
Big difference in paying local taxes for police, fire dept, roads, etc - and paying taxes for someone else to fucking sit at home and make a living NOT working. How you think this is ok is asinine.
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I'll gladly pay my part to have decent roads to drive on, or education for our children.
But fuck anyone who wants me to pay their part as well.
This guy ^^
Bernie has snake charmed Prowler and his band of minions into believing these 2 things are equals.
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This guy ^^
Bernie has snake charmed Prowler and his band of minions into believing these 2 things are equals.
This is the part that concerts me the most. People being blinded some if the same promises by the recent Prez but as not followed through. This is what you call retarded.
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This is the part that concerts me the most. People being blinded some if the same promises by the recent Prez but as not followed through. This is what you call retarded.
Its called the "I wants mines" mentality.
The only problem is, "mines" belongs to someone else who actually worked for it!
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This is the part that concerts me the most. People being blinded some if the same promises by the recent Prez but as not followed through. This is what you call retarded.
I find it funny (not really) that their is actually a democrat running that is further left then the mofo in office.
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My life was signed onto that dotted line on the contract. To me and everyone else who put it there, it's a more than earned benefit.
That deranged babbling psychopathic communist you adore tried to pass off the reports of veteran deaths and secret waiting lists coming out of VA hospitals across the country as partisan attacks meant to discredit the agency. He was made aware of VA malfeasance for YEARS and did NOTHING about it but aid in its coverup. He should be hanged for that. The guy is a fucking deadbeat fool who has accomplished jack shit in his worthless 74 years on this earth. Fuck him and every brain dead moron who stands behind him.
Just is case you or others didn't know...
Bernie Sanders became chairman of Senate Veteran's Committee in 2013. After the scandal broke in April 2014, it took Congress less than 4 months to produce a new law (basically a split second) thanks to Bernie Sanders, John McCain & Jeff Miller working together.
Quick history lesson, Senator Sanders' first bill he ever introduced in Congress, in 1991, called for reimbursing members of the National Guard and Reserve for income they lost while deployed in the Persian Gulf War.
“Every veteran who defends this nation will get the quality health care and benefits they have earned and receive the respect they deserve.†- a quote from one of Bernie Sanders' speeches
A presidential candidate that has Veteran's campaigning and organizing for him...peeks my interest. Bernie Sanders has that.
#DynamiteDrop
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Why won't Bernie sanders change the lightbulb?
He has no idea he's in the dark.
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Just is case you or others didn't know...
Bernie Sanders became chairman of Senate Veteran's Committee in 2013. After the scandal broke in April 2014, it took Congress less than 4 months to produce a new law (basically a split second) thanks to Bernie Sanders, John McCain & Jeff Miller working together.
Quick history lesson, Senator Sanders' first bill he ever introduced in Congress, in 1991, called for reimbursing members of the National Guard and Reserve for income they lost while deployed in the Persian Gulf War.
“Every veteran who defends this nation will get the quality health care and benefits they have earned and receive the respect they deserve.†- a quote from one of Bernie Sanders' speeches
A presidential candidate that has Veteran's campaigning and organizing for him...peeks my interest. Bernie Sanders has that.
#DynamiteDrop
Oh yeah. You really told him. Put him in his place. How dare he question your commie hero.
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Just is case you or others didn't know...
Bernie Sanders became chairman of Senate Veteran's Committee in 2013. After the scandal broke in April 2014, it took Congress less than 4 months to produce a new law (basically a split second) thanks to Bernie Sanders, John McCain & Jeff Miller working together.
Quick history lesson, Senator Sanders' first bill he ever introduced in Congress, in 1991, called for reimbursing members of the National Guard and Reserve for income they lost while deployed in the Persian Gulf War.
“Every veteran who defends this nation will get the quality health care and benefits they have earned and receive the respect they deserve.†- a quote from one of Bernie Sanders' speeches
A presidential candidate that has Veteran's campaigning and organizing for him...peeks my interest. Bernie Sanders has that.
#DynamiteDrop
The day I trust a democrat to do anything for the military will be a first.
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The day I trust a democrat to do anything for the military will be a first.
Now, now. Reagan was a Dem. once and likely achieved more on account of it. Kasich has that for me.
No clue if he can win though.
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Now, now. Reagan was a Dem. once and likely achieved more on account of it. Kasich has that for me.
No clue if he can win though.
"Kasich" sounds like a granola bar.
Hippies and hipsters eat granola bars.
So do old people in Florida.
Hippies, hipsters and old florida people are usually lost-in-the-woods liberals.
Kasich is a liberal.
You see, A + B + (C-D) = 119
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"Kasich" sounds like a granola bar.
Hippies and hipsters eat granola bars.
So do old people in Florida.
Hippies, hipsters and old florida people are usually lost-in-the-woods liberals.
Kasich is a liberal.
You see, A + B + (C-D) = 119
I was thinking more golly gee willikers. But granola bar is ok too.
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"Kasich" sounds like a granola bar.
Hippies and hipsters eat granola bars.
So do old people in Florida.
Hippies, hipsters and old florida people are usually lost-in-the-woods liberals.
Kasich is a liberal.
You see, A + B + (C-D) = 119
I'm not interested in name calling or assigning tags. And after Bush and Obama I want someone more centered. He knows how to get things done and can work with both sides.
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I can stand Rubio better than the other two but he is about as experienced as Obama was coming in...if that.
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I'm not interested in name calling or assigning tags. And after Bush and Obama I want someone more centered. He knows how to get things done and can work with both sides.
So you're voting TRUMP.
HELLS YEAH, BOYYYYY!
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Oh yeah. You really told him. Put him in his place. How dare he question your commie hero.
Not trying to "put him in his place" just laid out some factual information that he and likely others here might not have been aware of.
The day I trust a democrat to do anything for the military will be a first.
Senator Sanders has always been for the men and women of our military...always. He hasn't been for all of the destabilizing wars though.
You can be against the wars but for the men & women that have fought and died in them.
Quick questions. Would you trust a Independent to do anything for the military? Is this just a red vs blue deal for you?
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Senator Sanders has always been for the men and women of our military...always.
Umm, except for those visiting the VA or who has died in the sandbox conflicts.
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Have any of you read up on Bernie's life. He's a proverbial loser. The only thing he's ever done is convince people he's a capable politician.
Just like most dims, he is a failure in the real world.
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Just is case you or others didn't know...
Bernie Sanders became chairman of Senate Veteran's Committee in 2013. After the scandal broke in April 2014, it took Congress less than 4 months to produce a new law (basically a split second) thanks to Bernie Sanders, John McCain & Jeff Miller working together.
Quick history lesson, Senator Sanders' first bill he ever introduced in Congress, in 1991, called for reimbursing members of the National Guard and Reserve for income they lost while deployed in the Persian Gulf War.
“Every veteran who defends this nation will get the quality health care and benefits they have earned and receive the respect they deserve.†- a quote from one of Bernie Sanders' speeches
A presidential candidate that has Veteran's campaigning and organizing for him...peeks my interest. Bernie Sanders has that.
#DynamiteDrop
Tell the families of the hundreds of veterans who died in Bernie's system how much of a champion he was for their loved ones. Take a towel with you because they will spit in your face.
When the VA issue became known, Bernie did everything in his power to shield the VA because he wanted it to be a beacon to the rest of the country as to how wonderful and great government run healthcare was. It took Jeff Miller to clean up the mess that this piece of shit tried so desperately to ignore and cover up. Even CNN busted his ass over it saying, "You appear to be more of a lawyer for the VA than someone concerned over the mistreatment of veterans "
Do some research on the Choice Act. Veterans in the VA medical system owe their lives (literally) to Jeff Miller.
#powerbomb
#goawayandlettheadultstalk
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Not trying to "put him in his place" just laid out some factual information that he and likely others here might not have been aware of.
Senator Sanders has always been for the men and women of our military...always. He hasn't been for all of the destabilizing wars though.
You can be against the wars but for the men & women that have fought and died in them.
Quick questions. Would you trust a Independent to do anything for the military? Is this just a red vs blue deal for you?
I don't trust ANY politician to do anything for the military unless it suits their needs. Republicans just seem to do a better job of at least looking like they care for the military. Whether you want to believe it or not, the dems hate, loath, can't stand, would like to get rid of, our military. I served (retired Army) From Carter through Clinton, and since you never have (standards were never that low) you don't know what people who have served know and have seen. Bernie wanting to throw money at a problem (like most politicians) and claim he cares is not caring.
When it comes to this country, its not red vs blue, for me its red-white and blue.
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I don't trust ANY politician to do anything for the military unless it suits their needs. Republicans just seem to do a better job of at least looking like they care for the military. Whether you want to believe it or not, the dems hate, loath, can't stand, would like to get rid of, our military. I served (retired Army) From Carter through Clinton, and since you never have (standards were never that low) you don't know what people who have served know and have seen. Bernie wanting to throw money at a problem (like most politicians) and claim he cares is not caring.
When it comes to this country, its not red vs blue, for me its red-white and blue.
I'm a veteran of the US Air Force. As for Bernie claiming that he cares, he has tried to pass bills to help the Veterans as a Senator that's how you show that you care. He's one of the few candidates that has Veteran organizations campaigning and organizing for him...you think they'd do that for a politician that "hates the military"?
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I'm a veteran of the US Air Force. As for Bernie claiming that he cares, he has tried to pass bills to help the Veterans as a Senator that's how you show that you care. He's one of the few candidates that has Veteran organizations campaigning and organizing for him...you think they'd do that for a politician that "hates the military"?
So like Dallas was saying about low standards....
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Y'all do know that Bernie Sanders is a Independent running under the Democrat banner, right? If Bernie was running Republican...he'd still have my vote. If Trump was running Democrat, he'd still be a piece of garbage.
I don't vote for parties. I vote for the candidate that I feel can run this Country the best. That's how everyone should vote.
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I'm a veteran of the US Air Force. As for Bernie claiming that he cares, he has tried to pass bills to help the Veterans as a Senator that's how you show that you care. He's one of the few candidates that has Veteran organizations campaigning and organizing for him...you think they'd do that for a politician that "hates the military"?
A few veterans groups supported John Kerry, too. That doesn't make him any less of a shit bag than he his.
Same thing with Bernie. It just shows how out of touch and partisan the groups are. If they support this clown, they definitely don't have their constituents best interests at heart.
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A few veterans groups supported John Kerry, too. That doesn't make him any less of a shit bag than he his.
Same thing with Bernie. It just shows how out of touch and partisan the groups are. If they support this clown, they definitely don't have their constituents best interests at heart.
Just can't let go of the ketchup thing, can you?
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Y'all do know that Bernie Sanders is a Independent running under the Democrat banner, right? If Bernie was running Republican...he'd still have my vote. If Trump was running Democrat, he'd still be a piece of garbage.
I don't vote for parties. I vote for the candidate that I feel can run this Country the best. That's how everyone should vote.
The fact that you feel that way about Bernie pretty much proves the "real" world has passed you by.
There is nothing about Bernie Sanders that should make you proud. Unless you too are a failed American.
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The fact that you feel that way about Bernie pretty much proves the "real" world has passed you by.
There is nothing about Bernie Sanders that should make you proud. Unless you too are a failed American.
My boy and a couple of his class mates want to start a band and he was running some names by me.
Failed Americans
I like it.
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Just can't let go of the ketchup thing, can you?
He and Teresa rurnt backyard cookouts for me.
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He and Teresa rurnt backyard cookouts for me.
Give in to the Heinz. Let your inhibitions go. The Heinz is calling you.
OOOOMMMMmmmmmm.....
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Give in to the Heinz. Let your inhibitions go. The Heinz is calling you.
OOOOMMMMmmmmmm.....
Another point of contention I have with her is the way she says her name. She pronounces it "Tuh-RAY-zuh" instead of "Tee-REE-suh". That uppityness leaks over into the ketchup and I'll have none of it.
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Another point of contention I have with her is the way she says her name. She pronounces it "Tuh-RAY-zuh" instead of "Tee-REE-suh". That uppityness leaks over into the ketchup and I'll have none of it.
https://youtu.be/aNN9nL2vppM
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Y'all do know that Bernie Sanders is a Independent running under the Democrat banner, right? If Bernie was running Republican...he'd still have my vote. If Trump was running Democrat, he'd still be a piece of garbage.
I don't vote for parties. I vote for the candidate that I feel can run this Country the best. That's how everyone should vote.
Mussolini did a great job running Italy. He was a socialist.
(http://conservativeimage.com/socialist%20dictators%20agree%20wealth%20redistribution%20works.JPG)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e5/6b/86/e56b86f6a5025e02b756cee71f459566.jpg)
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/06-overflow/20150630_soc.jpg)
Why Socialism doesn't work:
Socialism is the Big Lie of the twentieth century. While it promised prosperity, equality, and security, it delivered poverty, misery, and tyranny. Equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery.
In the same way that a Ponzi scheme or chain letter initially succeeds but eventually collapses, socialism may show early signs of success. But any accomplishments quickly fade as the fundamental deficiencies of central planning emerge. It is the initial illusion of success that gives government intervention its pernicious, seductive appeal. In the long run, socialism has always proven to be a formula for tyranny and misery.
Why socialism doesn't work:
Under socialism, incentives either play a minimal role or are ignored totally. A centrally planned economy without market prices or profits, where property is owned by the state, is a system without an effective incentive mechanism to direct economic activity. By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to fail.
Why socialism doesn't work:
Socialism is particularly dangerous because it's so perfectly suited for the modern era. It's the ultimate "miracle" product: it's "nice," it's "fair," it'll make you feel good about yourself, it'll "help" people who "deserve it" by taking things away from people who "have so much" they'll barely miss it. It sounds wonderful, doesn't it? But, like most products with sleazy salesmen and hidden track records, the promises socialism makes are all a mirage.
1) It kills economic growth: Strong economic growth is what produces jobs, tax revenue and a better standard of living for everyone, including the poor and middle class. Socialism strangles economic growth in the crib by penalizing success and rewarding failure. When you loot the successful people in a society to give it to the less successful, you quite naturally reduce the number of successful people and encourage more people to fail. This leads to a never-ending cycle.
2) It stifles free speech: Why is there ridiculous government propaganda in nations like North Korea? Why are most schools, papers, and colleges run by liberals in the United States? Why do liberals often try to disrupt conservative speakers on college campuses? Why are there such extreme speech codes in Canada that it practically makes some conservative arguments illegal? Why does speaking out against the government risk imprisonment in China and the old Soviet Union? Because socialism requires protection, propaganda, intimidation, and darkness to survive. Socialism can't survive honest, informed debate about its merits among people who are free to choose or reject it because it would not survive the conversation.
3) It leads to an increasingly tyrannical government: Freedom and socialism go together like oil and water. The more socialism you have, the less freedom you will have because socialism can't survive if people are free to choose whether they want socialism or not.
4) It creates strife and division: Socialism is all about turning people against each other. It has to be. After all, if you believe in controlling people's lives, the people who don't wish to be controlled need to be vilified. If you believe in confiscating the wealth of successful people who won't give it up willingly, then others must be convinced they're terrible human beings who deserve to be punished. "Victim" classes must be created for the socialists to defend because if everyone is responsible for himself, what need is there for the socialist?
5) Socialists believe the ends justify the means: Like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, socialists believe that, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." For a socialist, the overriding concern is always promoting socialism; so process, rules and regulation mean different things for different people.
Bernie is a dangerous dumbass with no understanding of human nature or history.
(http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/13487iF771FAF5545A0C0E?v=mpbl-1)
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Mussolini did a great job running Italy. He was a socialist.
(http://conservativeimage.com/socialist%20dictators%20agree%20wealth%20redistribution%20works.JPG)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e5/6b/86/e56b86f6a5025e02b756cee71f459566.jpg)
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/06-overflow/20150630_soc.jpg)
Why Socialism doesn't work:
Socialism is the Big Lie of the twentieth century. While it promised prosperity, equality, and security, it delivered poverty, misery, and tyranny. Equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery.
In the same way that a Ponzi scheme or chain letter initially succeeds but eventually collapses, socialism may show early signs of success. But any accomplishments quickly fade as the fundamental deficiencies of central planning emerge. It is the initial illusion of success that gives government intervention its pernicious, seductive appeal. In the long run, socialism has always proven to be a formula for tyranny and misery.
Why socialism doesn't work:
Under socialism, incentives either play a minimal role or are ignored totally. A centrally planned economy without market prices or profits, where property is owned by the state, is a system without an effective incentive mechanism to direct economic activity. By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to fail.
Why socialism doesn't work:
Socialism is particularly dangerous because it's so perfectly suited for the modern era. It's the ultimate "miracle" product: it's "nice," it's "fair," it'll make you feel good about yourself, it'll "help" people who "deserve it" by taking things away from people who "have so much" they'll barely miss it. It sounds wonderful, doesn't it? But, like most products with sleazy salesmen and hidden track records, the promises socialism makes are all a mirage.
1) It kills economic growth: Strong economic growth is what produces jobs, tax revenue and a better standard of living for everyone, including the poor and middle class. Socialism strangles economic growth in the crib by penalizing success and rewarding failure. When you loot the successful people in a society to give it to the less successful, you quite naturally reduce the number of successful people and encourage more people to fail. This leads to a never-ending cycle.
2) It stifles free speech: Why is there ridiculous government propaganda in nations like North Korea? Why are most schools, papers, and colleges run by liberals in the United States? Why do liberals often try to disrupt conservative speakers on college campuses? Why are there such extreme speech codes in Canada that it practically makes some conservative arguments illegal? Why does speaking out against the government risk imprisonment in China and the old Soviet Union? Because socialism requires protection, propaganda, intimidation, and darkness to survive. Socialism can't survive honest, informed debate about its merits among people who are free to choose or reject it because it would not survive the conversation.
3) It leads to an increasingly tyrannical government: Freedom and socialism go together like oil and water. The more socialism you have, the less freedom you will have because socialism can't survive if people are free to choose whether they want socialism or not.
4) It creates strife and division: Socialism is all about turning people against each other. It has to be. After all, if you believe in controlling people's lives, the people who don't wish to be controlled need to be vilified. If you believe in confiscating the wealth of successful people who won't give it up willingly, then others must be convinced they're terrible human beings who deserve to be punished. "Victim" classes must be created for the socialists to defend because if everyone is responsible for himself, what need is there for the socialist?
5) Socialists believe the ends justify the means: Like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, socialists believe that, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." For a socialist, the overriding concern is always promoting socialism; so process, rules and regulation mean different things for different people.
Bernie is a dangerous dumbass with no understanding of human nature or history.
(http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/13487iF771FAF5545A0C0E?v=mpbl-1)
Oh look, yellow journalism is still alive and well.
Keep spouting garbage that you have zero clues about Kaos, it's what you're good at.
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Have any of you read up on Bernie's life. He's a proverbial loser. The only thing he's ever done is convince people he's a capable politician.
Just like most dims, he is a failure in the real world.
Just like the other morons here...have you actually read up on Bernie Sanders' life or are you just spouting garbage that you've heard on the radio or seen from the intelligent FoxNews people?
(A website with links to back up their statements, you know...factual information regardless if it's a pro-whatever site)
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/
#RubioisGay
#CruzIsSociopathWithAGodComplex
#TrumpisAFascist
#CarsonisStillAsleep
#MicDrop
#KnowledgeBomb
#FeelTheBern
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Oh look, yellow journalism is still alive and well.
Keep spouting garbage that you have zero clues about Kaos, it's what you're good at.
You're right. Starting and owning five businesses, buying one and selling two gives me no insight into motivating employees or making the economy work.
That isn't yellow journalism. It's well thought out and perfectly reasoned arguments for why socialism has always failed and will always fail.
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blah blah blah ...have you actually read up on Bernie Sanders' life ..... blah blah blah
I have. He was a no load bum who evolved into a deadbeat communist. He rode the deadbeat angle to convince young idiotic mush brains in Burlington that he was their answer to those "mean old go getters who go out and do stuff." These societal pissants elected him mayor.
He convinced more of Vermont's dimest bulbs to vote him into the senate where he has spent the past 25 years doing nothing but suckling at the government teat.
Now, he is taking his "mooch off the doers" tour nationwide where he is in a dead heat with a known - and soon to be convicted - felon , liar, and turd magnet in Hillary Clinton.
I think that just about covers it.
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I have. He was a no load bum who evolved into a deadbeat communist. He rode the deadbeat angle to convince young idiotic mush brains in Burlington that he was their answer to those "mean old go getters who go out and do stuff." These societal pissants elected him mayor.
He convinced more of Vermont's dimest bulbs to vote him into the senate where he has spent the past 25 years doing nothing but suckling at the government teat.
Now, he is taking his "mooch off the doers" tour nationwide where he is in a dead heat with a known - and soon to be convicted - felon , liar, and turd magnet in Hillary Clinton.
I think that just about covers it.
So, I'm getting the sense that you're ruling out Bernie Sanders from consideration?
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So, I'm getting the sense that you're ruling out Bernie Sanders from consideration?
I cannot vote for anyone who reminds me of the aardvark from the Ant and the Aardvark cartoon every time he speaks. It's so bad that I heard Jackie Mason's voice reading this response as I typed it out.
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I cannot vote for anyone who reminds me of the aardvark from the Ant and the Aardvark cartoon every time he speaks. It's so bad that I heard Jackie Mason's voice reading this response as I typed it out.
https://youtu.be/-5eI_vhnFE0
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https://youtu.be/-5eI_vhnFE0
That's him!
"Hey ant! I just stopped by to invite you to dinnah ..... MY dinnah! (vacuum cleaner sound)"
That's when cartoons were funny, man!
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That's him!
"Hey ant! I just stopped by to invite you to dinnah ..... MY dinnah! (vacuum cleaner sound)"
That's when cartoons were funny, man!
John Byner did the voices for both the ant and the aardvark. He was impersonating...as you pointed out...Jackie Mason and Dean Martin.
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John Byner did the voices for both the ant and the aardvark. He was impersonating...as you pointed out...Jackie Mason and Dean Martin.
You are correct, sir! Mea culpa!
(P.S. I still hate Heinz ketchup and I'm not voting for Bernie.)
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I have. He was a no load bum who evolved into a deadbeat communist. He rode the deadbeat angle to convince young idiotic mush brains in Burlington that he was their answer to those "mean old go getters who go out and do stuff." These societal pissants elected him mayor.
He convinced more of Vermont's dimest bulbs to vote him into the senate where he has spent the past 25 years doing nothing but suckling at the government teat.
Now, he is taking his "mooch off the doers" tour nationwide where he is in a dead heat with a known - and soon to be convicted - felon , liar, and turd magnet in Hillary Clinton.
I think that just about covers it.
When you say that you have read up on him, then follow that up with him not doing anything in the Senate, tells me that you didn't actually read up on him. You should probably do some homework on him before posting...just saying.
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When you say that you have read up on him, then follow that up with him not doing anything in the Senate, tells me that you didn't actually read up on him. You should probably do some homework on him before posting...just saying.
Dude. I have to assume at this point that you are just trolling.
Socialism is a failed concept. I know you know that.
Bernie Sanders is a whackadoodle. You have to know that too.
So joke's over. It's played out. Haha. We thought you were serious there for a while. Haha. You got us.
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Dude. I have to assume at this point that you are just trolling.
Socialism is a failed concept. I know you know that.
Bernie Sanders is a whackadoodle. You have to know that too.
So joke's over. It's played out. Haha. We thought you were serious there for a while. Haha. You got us.
Either that or dude is about to get a huge tax break.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S6HEH23W_bM
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When you say that you have read up on him, then follow that up with him not doing anything in the Senate, tells me that you didn't actually read up on him. You should probably do some homework on him before posting...just saying.
You're right - he did do one thing: he oversaw the greatest scandal in the history of the VA system.
Outside of that - nada.
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he oversaw the greatest scandal in the history of the VA system.
That alone baffles me why any person that served this country in any form or fashion would support Bernie.
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You're right - he did do one thing: he oversaw the greatest scandal in the history of the VA system.
Outside of that - nada.
When exactly did he "oversee the greatest scandal in the history of the VA" was it before he was chairman of the VA (2013-2014)?
Was this before or after he spearheaded a bipartisan effort to pass the most comprehensive veterans’ legislation in decades? The Veterans Access, Choice and Accountability Act increases accountability within the VA and ensures that all veterans have access to timely health care.
The law written by Sanders strengthens the VA health care system by authorizing 27 new medical facilities and by providing $5 billion to hire more doctors and nurses to care for the surging number of veterans returning from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It provides incentives to attract young doctors to the VA. It makes it easier for some veterans to see private doctors or go to community health centers, Department of Defense facilities or Indian Health Centers. It expanded VA educational benefits and improved care for survivors of sexual trauma while serving in the military.
...or was it before he was praised by John McCain and Sen. Jack Reed for overhauling the Veterans Administration. Was said to have done such an excellent job of bringing all parties to a deal, that it wouldn’t have gotten done without Sanders’ work.
I'll repeat, I think some here should really do their homework.
I also think that a Socialist Country & a Capitalist economy aren't mutually exclusive and help make America great once again, that's just my opinion.
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Again, Simple Simon, read up on his REAL actions during this mess. As I stated before, Jeff Miller and others in the committee sprang into action over the objections and stonewalling of that piece of shit communist Bernie Sanders.
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CNN exposed the widespread cover up while General Shinseki was Sec. of VA.
It's sad that an honorable highly decorated man had to step down but the abuses took place under his charge.
In reality: The abuses were systemic within the VA hierarchy and Bernie Sanders is in no way to blame.
Have yet to find a source to prove otherwise.
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Washington, you have a problem. Every long read but sums up the present day establish.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=835576809885120&substory_index=0&id=437674196342052
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/05/ron-paul-warns-republicans-not-to-vote-for-ted-cruz/
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Back on Thread Topic for a moment
Jeb Bush's candidacy is no more...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/us/politics/jeb-bush.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/us/politics/jeb-bush.html?_r=0)
South Carolina goes to Trump
Trump - 32.5% - 44 Delegates - 61 delegates total
Rubio - 22/5% - 11 delegates
Cruz - 22.3% - 10 delegates
Jeb Bush - 7.8% - Dropped out
John Kasich - 7.6% - 5 delegates
Carson - 7.2% - 3 delegates
1,237 needed for nomination
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Washington, you have a problem. Every long read but sums up the present day establish.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=835576809885120&substory_index=0&id=437674196342052
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/05/ron-paul-warns-republicans-not-to-vote-for-ted-cruz/
And just who is Moonbat Ron Paul endorsing from the field? Establishment backed Rubio? Moderate Kasich? Facist trump?
Serious questions.
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And just who is Moonbat Ron Paul endorsing from the field? Establishment backed Rubio? Moderate Kasich? Facist trump?
Serious questions.
Guess my guy Kasich has as good a chance as Ron Paul.
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Moonbat Ron Paul
Woah, woah, woah! I will cut a bitch! You take that back!
EDIT: He will probably support Gary Johnson.
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Woah, woah, woah! I will cut a bitch! You take that back!
EDIT: He will probably support Gary Johnson.
Correct.
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Again, Simple Simon, read up on his REAL actions during this mess. As I stated before, Jeff Miller and others in the committee sprang into action over the objections and stonewalling of that piece of shit communist Bernie Sanders.
As I've said before, do your homework...seriously.
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As I've said before, do your homework...seriously.
We will when you finish seventh grade history and civics.
(http://morningmail.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/thatcher.jpeg)
(http://www.youngagain.org/images/socialismchart.png)
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I really wish someone else would jump into the race. It's not like Alabama will turnout a dim delegate in the general election. It would be nice to elect an Ike-type leader/prez because I'm fed up with status quo. Maybe Trump is the man to negotiate our bankruptcy (It's coming folks). Trump is a professional in that situation.
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We will when you finish seventh grade history and civics.
(http://morningmail.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/thatcher.jpeg)
(http://www.youngagain.org/images/socialismchart.png)
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Its hard to get past all of this when you never left academia! The real world is a helluva place.
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Gary Johnson sounds like an accountant at H&R Block. I don't know anything about him but assume he's gay if Chizad is voting for him.
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Gary Johnson sounds like an accountant at H&R Block. I don't know anything about him but assume he's gay if Chizad is voting for him.
I'm not voting for him for my personal sex slave. I'm voting for Milo Yiannopoulos for that.
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As I've said before, do your homework...seriously.
Here's a take-home assignment for you.
https://lettertosanders.wordpress.com/-jobs/
Posted on February 17, 2016
Dear Senator Sanders and Professor Gerald Friedman,
We are former Chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers for Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. For many years, we have worked to make the Democratic Party the party of evidence-based economic policy. When Republicans have proposed large tax cuts for the wealthy and asserted that those tax cuts would pay for themselves, for example, we have shown that the economic facts do not support these fantastical claims. We have applied the same rigor to proposals by Democrats, and worked to ensure that forecasts of the effects of proposed economic policies, from investment in infrastructure, to education and training, to health care reforms, are grounded in economic evidence. Largely as a result of efforts like these, the Democratic party has rightfully earned a reputation for responsibly estimating the effects of economic policies.
We are concerned to see the Sanders campaign citing extreme claims by Gerald Friedman about the effect of Senator Sanders’s economic plan—claims that cannot be supported by the economic evidence. Friedman asserts that your plan will have huge beneficial impacts on growth rates, income and employment that exceed even the most grandiose predictions by Republicans about the impact of their tax cut proposals.
As much as we wish it were so, no credible economic research supports economic impacts of these magnitudes. Making such promises runs against our party’s best traditions of evidence-based policy making and undermines our reputation as the party of responsible arithmetic. These claims undermine the credibility of the progressive economic agenda and make it that much more difficult to challenge the unrealistic claims made by Republican candidates.
Sincerely,
Alan Krueger, Princeton University
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2011-2013
Austan Goolsbee, University of Chicago Booth School
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2010-2011
Christina Romer, University of California at Berkeley
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2009-2010
Laura D’Andrea Tyson, University of California at Berkeley Haas School of Business
Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 1993-1995
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Here's a take-home assignment for you.
https://lettertosanders.wordpress.com/-jobs/
Hmmm, sounds like Hillary's party is getting a bit worried.
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I'm reading O'Reilly's Killing Reagan right now.
It's so odd to read about his fight against communism in Hollywood (before he took it on world-wide) as SAG President. What was going on then is the same thing that's going on now. Clueless Hollywood types flocking to completely failed philosophies. Back then it was Kennedy's nonsense. Today it's Obama/Hillary/Bernie.
Too bad we don't have a Reagan to stand up and drive them back like we did back then. Carter pushed us to the brink. Reagan turned that around. Where is today's Reagan? Where is the guy who says what he thinks whether or not it's the popular thing?
It's sickening to read about the people I watched in movies and on TV who were staunch communists. People like Eddie Albert ... oooohhhh Olivah... and Edward G. Robinson and Dalton Trumbo (currently being glorified in a piece of shit film starring Walter White which earned an undeserved Oscar nom) and Katherine He-e-e-e-epbaahn and Sinatra and so many others. And here we are today with the socialists firmly in control of Hollywood and the media.
Trump. Cruz. Rubio. Etc. No Reagans among them.
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So Trump takes Nevada. Happy happy joy joy.
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So Trump takes Nevada. Happy happy joy joy.
I saw a lot of noise yesterday about the fucked up caucuses in NV yesterday...but no one is discussing it today.
Apparently no IDs were being checked in some locations, multiple voting by single voters and poll watchers wearing Trump gear and "bullying" voters.
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I'm reading O'Reilly's Killing Reagan right now.
It's so odd to read about his fight against communism in Hollywood (before he took it on world-wide) as SAG President. What was going on then is the same thing that's going on now. Clueless Hollywood types flocking to completely failed philosophies. Back then it was Kennedy's nonsense. Today it's Obama/Hillary/Bernie.
Too bad we don't have a Reagan to stand up and drive them back like we did back then. Carter pushed us to the brink. Reagan turned that around. Where is today's Reagan? Where is the guy who says what he thinks whether or not it's the popular thing?
It's sickening to read about the people I watched in movies and on TV who were staunch communists. People like Eddie Albert ... oooohhhh Olivah... and Edward G. Robinson and Dalton Trumbo (currently being glorified in a piece of shit film starring Walter White which earned an undeserved Oscar nom) and Katherine He-e-e-e-epbaahn and Sinatra and so many others. And here we are today with the socialists firmly in control of Hollywood and the media.
Trump. Cruz. Rubio. Etc. No Reagans among them.
Maybe you are looking for a Rudy Giuliani type. IMO he had the "IT" factor just needed some proper grooming for a wider scope. He had bravado, charm and scared the hell out of the Dems for three or four months.
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I saw a lot of noise yesterday about the fucked up caucuses in NV yesterday...but no one is discussing it today.
Apparently no IDs were being checked in some locations, multiple voting by single voters and poll watchers wearing Trump gear and "bullying" voters.
WTF?! So, is it time to just quit giving a shit? Damn, I am truly afraid for this country if Trump/Clinton/Sanders become President. It looks like we are headed that way fast.
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How exactly do you bully someone at a polling place?
Hey buddy, you ARE voting for Trump, aren't you?
Well actually, I'm not a big fan of...
HEY....I said...you ARE voting for Trump...right?
Umm, no. I'm not. I support Cruz.
I think you'd better vote Trump, or else.
Or else what?
Or else....or else...uh...well...I'm not really sure. They didn't go over that part with us. What do you think would be appropriate?
Well...hey maybe you could slash my tires. How about that?
Slash your tires!!! Hey, great idea. Which car is yours?
It's that keen Mustang over there with the "I Heart Boobies" tag on the front.
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How exactly do you bully someone at a polling place?
Hey buddy, you ARE voting for Trump, aren't you?
That's likely the extent of it, though their wearing of Trump gear was an election violation and seen as an intimidation tactic.
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WTF?! So, is it time to just quit giving a shit? Damn, I am truly afraid for this country if Trump/Clinton/Sanders become President. It looks like we are headed that way fast.
Yeah we've got peas and carrots.
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Hmmm, sounds like Hillary's party is getting a bit worried.
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I picture a cardboard cutout of Trump on Conan's show.
The lips are moving behind the cutout in classic Donald "O" face.
Conan: Mr. Trump, how do you plan to turn America around?
"O" face DT: Volume Conan...VOLUUUUUUMMN!!!
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I saw a lot of noise yesterday about the fucked up caucuses in NV yesterday...but no one is discussing it today.
Apparently no IDs were being checked in some locations, multiple voting by single voters and poll watchers wearing Trump gear and "bullying" voters.
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https://twitter.com/CahnEmily/status/702303082030366720
Man here says "it's a disaster." No one is checking in or checking IDs. They're handing out ballots willy nilly. Some guy voted trump twice
https://twitter.com/CahnEmily/status/702306197009883136
Second woman says no one checked her ID. She was just handed a ballot. She says it's very scary. #Nevadacaucus
https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/702304856111915008
Text from Rubio source in NV: "This is a shit show."
https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/702306939280076800
Says caucus volunteers are wearing Trump gear (they're not allowed to show preference). "Actively bullying folks. Not checking IDs."
https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/702310238750289920
More from Rubio source: "They didn't ID one of our staff. We alerted the site manager." This is at Bonanza High School.
https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/702326376305528832
Updated quote from source: "40-50 loose ballots on table." Counter looked at them, put them under envelopes. Wouldn't budge when called out.
Also, these guys were outside, although this is almost certainly a hoax. The hands do not appear to be those of a Klansman and they had signs about the New England Police Union, so I'm assuming this was a Black Lives Matter protest of some sort.
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Anyway, full-on shit-show.
But hey, CCTAU and others who think he's going to be a great president, he thanked you in his celebration speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXiK9xas7KU
They want a despotic President who threatens people who are critical of him with tweets like this.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/701779181986680832
I hear the Rickets family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $'s against me. They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!
We're so fucked...
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure people's idea of bullying are a lot different than mine. I can't really imagine much bullying going on today. But, wearing any campaign gear while working at the polling place is not right. I think it's against the rules here in Alabama but I'm sure that it still happens. People should have to go home if they have on anything with a candidates name on it. This should be enforced.
The more that I've watched and read, the more that I'm convinced that this is the shittiest gaggle of candidates this country has ever had to choose from.
And the idea that I may have to actually vote for cheesy ass prick Trump, sickens me. Almost to the point of voting for Chizad's Johnson. Well, not actually his Johnson but...well, you know.
These people suck. Maybe Bloomberg will run but he's about half queer.
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It would seem that if there's that much evidence of impropriety in this process, they ought to be able to void that particular caucus. No way the other candidates could stand for anything less.
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I still think he's saving Marco as eventual veep what with the way the electorate sets up.
Plus Trump told Marco that he thought he was fantastic in C.H.I.P.S.
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It would seem that if there's that much evidence of impropriety in this process, they ought to be able to void that particular caucus. No way the other candidates could stand for anything less.
He's sayin' we need to right the wrongs.
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They want a despotic President who threatens people who are critical of him with tweets like this.
"I hear the Rickets family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $'s against me. They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!"
We're so fudgeed...
I'm totally ok with him going after those Jason Heyward stealing mother fuckers.
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I'm totally ok with him going after those Jason Heyward stealing mother fuckers.
No need. The Cubs will self destruct without any outside help.
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I know two gays about to get punched up in this mofo.
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Reading the Killing Reagan book made me step back and look at this whole thing differently.
I didn't know Hillary was once a Republican. She worked on the Goldwater campaign. She became a democrat due to meddling influence by her mush headed college professors and because she didn't care for Nixon. She's now the antichrist.
But I digress. I was never really a Trumper. I like the maverick nature and the "fuck you I won't do what you tell me"'rage. I will still vote for him if he gets the nod.
I prefer Rubio but I don't think he has the charisma or gravitas to get there.
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It's funny to watch some of you whiny ass bitches get sand in your vagina over Trump. I haven't voted yet. Haven't made up my mind. But I have no problem voting the opposite as some of you sandy crotched whores.
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http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-endorsed-kkk-neo-nazis-america-white-article-1.2543847
Remember a while back when I mentioned Trump getting praised by former KKK David Duke and someone said, "former KKK" as if that mattered and made it okay?
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http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-endorsed-kkk-neo-nazis-america-white-article-1.2543847
Remember a while back when I mentioned Trump getting praised by former KKK David Duke and someone said, "former KKK" as if that mattered and made it okay?
Is this supposed to mean something?
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http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-endorsed-kkk-neo-nazis-america-white-article-1.2543847
Remember a while back when I mentioned Trump getting praised by former KKK David Duke and someone said, "former KKK" as if that mattered and made it okay?
Remember a while back we told you that Batshit Bernie was supporting a system that has failed every single time it's ever been tried. How his ideas, if implemented, will destroy the very foundation that made this country great?
Yeah. That's still happening.
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Watching the debate.
My choices in order:
Rubio
Carson
Cruz
Kasich
Trump
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Watching the debate.
My choices in order:
Rubio
Carson
Cruz
Kasich
Trump
Why so down on the Trump train?
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Cruz and Rubio lost again in their effort to bring down Trump. Is was obvious to anyone with half a brain. I found it quite humorous. While the establishment, China and the shadow government have their sphincters in a knot, Trump goes into Tuesday as the favorite. He will destroy Killary in the general election regardless of what the Zionists throw at him. America is wide awake and very angry. If Trump is as clueless as some here believe, then why did Sessions ask him to rally in Mobile and endorse the man?
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Why so down on the Trump train?
I was really disappointed in his failure to give substantive answers when the opportunity presented itself.
I wanted to hear some specifics.
Was very interested to hear several say they were going to shut down the IRS and repeal Obamacare. Those are the two things I want the most. Those two things make my business life almost unbearable.
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I was really disappointed in his failure to give substantive answers when the opportunity presented itself.
I wanted to hear some specifics.
Was very interested to hear several say they were going to shut down the IRS and repeal Obamacare. Those are the two things I want the most. Those two things make my business life almost unbearable.
I'm with you.
I'm not sure he'll give specifics until he goes up against Hitlary. He's a savvy cat. he knows he's the front runner for the primaries without giving specifics. So just like in business, you play it close to the vest. I'm not sure it will work like he thins, but by God it has worked so far.
He has hit the cycle at just the right time.
I am still doing some research. Rubio, Cruz, or Trump is where I am at.
If we could only combine some of the traits...
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Watching the debate.
My choices in order:
Rubio
Carson
Cruz
Kasich
Trump
My list could easily mirror this. Although I probably like Carson the most (has nothing to do with my being black)--I fully realize he isn't electable. He can still help to reshape the party. Usually, that doesn't mean much but it's something.
Rubio seems more electable than Cruz to me. I'm a Christian and conservative but Cruz does tend to wear it on his sleeve a little too much for my liking. I saw a speech in which he walked out on a group of Christian Arabs because of their heckling over his unyielding support of Israel. They didn't want to hear that. They want balance. I'm a firm believer in supporting Israel, at the same time, I don't think we should make blanket statements re: foreign policy. In other words, don't say: "I support Israel regardless what they do!" That's just dumb and that's close to what he said.
Looking more and more like Trump is the man, as bad as I hate it. Cannot stomach the man but at least I support some of his platform. And I think he'll be much better than what we have now.
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My list could easily mirror this. Although I probably like Carson the most (has nothing to do with my being black)--I fully realize he isn't electable. He can still help to reshape the party. Usually, that doesn't mean much but it's something.
Rubio seems more electable than Cruz to me. I'm a Christian and conservative but Cruz does tend to wear it on his sleeve a little too much for my liking. I saw a speech in which he walked out on a group of Christian Arabs because of their heckling over his unyielding support of Israel. They didn't want to hear that. They want balance. I'm a firm believer in supporting Israel, at the same time, I don't think we should make blanket statements re: foreign policy. In other words, don't say: "I support Israel regardless what they do!" That's just dumb and that's close to what he said.
Looking more and more like Trump is the man, as bad as I hate it. Cannot stomach the man but at least I support some of his platform. And I think he'll be much better than what we have now.
Putting Hillary to pasture is the main goal. She is the least qualified candidate I can remember and that's saying something considering how ill equipped the current pussy in chief happens to be.
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Putting Hillary to pasture is the main goal. She is the least qualified candidate I can remember and that's saying something considering how ill equipped the current pussy in chief happens to be.
And yet we have a large segment of the population that will extol his virtues. It amazes me the number of folks in academia that love the guy!
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It amazes me the number of folks in academia that love the guy!
Those that can do , those that can't teach......Not completely true but not completely wrong either.
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I'm with you.
I'm not sure he'll give specifics until he goes up against Hitlary. He's a savvy cat. he knows he's the front runner for the primaries without giving specifics. So just like in business, you play it close to the vest. I'm not sure it will work like he thins, but by God it has worked so far.
He has hit the cycle at just the right time.
I am still doing some research. Rubio, Cruz, or Trump is where I am at.
If we could only combie some of the traits...
I concur.
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Cruz and Rubio lost again in their effort to bring down Trump. Is was obvious to anyone with half a brain. I found it quite humorous.
Those of us with whole, intact brains saw Trump looking like the idiot he is again.
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Watching the debate.
My choices in order:
Rubio
Carson
Cruz
Kasich
Trump
Flip Kasich & Carson and I'm with you.
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I was really disappointed in his failure to give substantive answers when the opportunity presented itself.
I wanted to hear some specifics.
This is very obviously all he has been doing this entire campaign.
How's he going to fix Obamacare? "Getting rid of the lines! The goddamn lines! The lines around the states! What do you mean specify? Lines. I mean lines! You don't know about the lines?!?" :blink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-G5TkTAbo#t=212
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I'm not sure he'll give specifics until he goes up against Hitlary. He's a savvy cat. he knows he's the front runner for the primaries without giving specifics. So just like in business, you play it close to the vest. I'm not sure it will work like he thins, but by God it has worked so far.
The dumb in this. It burns. So he's wicked smaht, he just doesn't want anyone to know it yet until it "really matters". :facepalm:
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Putting Hillary to pasture is the main goal. She is the least qualified candidate I can remember and that's saying something considering how ill equipped the current pussy in chief happens to be.
Look, I don't love (or even like) Hillary, but to say the former US Senator and Secretary of State is less qualified than the babbling dipshit host of The Apprentice is barking lunacy.
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The dumb in this. It burns. So he's wicked smaht, he just doesn't want anyone to know it yet until it "really matters". :facepalm:
Yeah. That's exactly what has been said. Go wash your vagina. You got sand in it again.
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Look, I don't love (or even like) Hillary, but to say the former US Senator and Secretary of State is less qualified than the babbling dipshit host of The Apprentice is barking lunacy.
U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens
Officer Sean Smith
Tyrone S. Woods
Glen Doherty
Might disagree with you.
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U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens
Officer Sean Smith
Tyrone S. Woods
Glen Doherty
Might disagree with you.
For those less than alpha, this is acceptable.
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In these last few posts, Chad is right. Unequivocally.
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It won't matter who's in office. We are about to experience a depression the likes of which only Ethiopia can relate. We Are FUCKED.
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It won't matter who's in office. We are about to experience a depression the likes of which only Ethiopia can relate. We Are FUCKED.
We are gonna be able to sleep a family of 24 on one set of venetian blinds?
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We are gonna be able to sleep a family of 24 on one set of venetian blinds?
**snickers**
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Skreets
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It won't matter who's in office. We are about to experience a depression the likes of which only Ethiopia can relate. We Are FUCKED.
Skinny's. :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
Men in the front women in the back.
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In these last few posts, Chad is right. Unequivocally.
Yeah well, that is not much of an endorsement.
Besides. This just happened:
Making a play for VP I guess.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/26/christie-endorses-trump-for-president.html
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Look, I don't love (or even like) Hillary, but to say the former US Senator and Secretary of State is less qualified than the babbling dipshit host of The Apprentice is barking lunacy.
Dude, I realize that you are high today but take a step back off the ledge for a moment and listen to some reason.
I despise Trump but fully believe he's more qualified than Hillary. You list her positions as a bureaucrat for her entire adult life as credentials. It's more than the current prez, I will give you that.
But at the very least, Trump has real world business experience and even on an international scale. Not just some insider trader information on the commodities exchange to make a chunk like Hillary and Bill received and should've been imprisoned for.
I despise the babbling idiot but he knows how to babble in a way to get him elected. Yes, he's a farce but what in the fuck do you think she is? She is the very same in that she will say whatever it takes to get elected. She plays the same game on the left as he does on the right. Then, they try to capture the middle in the general. It's been that way for a long time.
He's a better leader. I hate the bankruptcy hiding and wealth overstating, egotistical motherfucker with a passion. But he is definitely more qualified to lead than Hillary.
I doubt that she's ever been seriously constrained by a budget. Or, responsible for creating a budget. She's a lifer bureaucrat. That is all.
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Look, I don't love (or even like) Hillary, but to say the former US Senator and Secretary of State is less qualified than the babbling dipshit host of The Apprentice is barking lunacy.
My dog is better qualified to be president than that whore bag.
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My dog is better qualified to be president than that whore bag.
I have had my issues with him but I think calling Chizad a whore bag is a little extreme for a Friday. Gay whore or Fag bag, maybe. But whore bag is over the line.
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Trump might qualify to work for an ad firm, only he would own it so he would have the final say. He sees himself as this "great decidah" yet he cannot articulate anything bordering intelligent about real issues. And just what are the issues?
What if you knew the Affordable Care Act wouldn't be repealed.
It won't be.
There might be some minor adjustments but it's here to stay, maybe not in its present form but we own it.
Carson has less going for him than Mike Huckabee as a threat people.
see Herman Cain
It's what happens to those who can't catch a real wave as a legit candidate. Lucky for them there is an audience that pays attention to their opinions.
"Peas and carrots." That's what you have in Cruz and Rubio. Cruz is more forceful persona for alpha types and Rubio hasn't done anything beyond getting to the senate in order to serve? Uh no. He wanted a shortcut to the white house. I say they settle it with a one-off of scripture quotations.
Meanwhile it looks as if Kasich will linger awhile longer gaining little traction if any. And he's the guy that knows the issues and how things work. But he isn't what the people want.
Anybody else?
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Trump...still the front runner. That says a lot about the Republican Party.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/politics/chris-christie-endorses-donald-trump/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Must admit, this surprises me.
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Trump might qualify to work for an ad firm, only he would own it so he would have the final say. He sees himself as this "great decidah" yet he cannot articulate anything bordering intelligent about real issues. And just what are the issues?
What if you knew the Affordable Care Act wouldn't be repealed.
It won't be.
There might be some minor adjustments but it's here to stay, maybe not in its present form but we own it.
Carson has less going for him than Mike Huckabee as a threat people.
see Herman Cain
It's what happens to those who can't catch a real wave as a legit candidate. Lucky for them there is an audience that pays attention to their opinions.
"Peas and carrots." That's what you have in Cruz and Rubio. Cruz is more forceful persona for alpha types and Rubio hasn't done anything beyond getting to the senate in order to serve? Uh no. He wanted a shortcut to the white house. I say they settle it with a one-off of scripture quotations.
Meanwhile it looks as if Kasich will linger awhile longer gaining little traction if any. And he's the guy that knows the issues and how things work. But he isn't what the people want.
Anybody else?
:facepalm: Why don't you just stick to posting about something that you at least know a little something about, like footba......I mean. Never mind. Carry on, I guess.
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Trump...still the front runner. That says a lot about the Republican Party.
Could say the same thing about that haggard old crook the Democrats have leading for nomination, too.
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Now, Bitch McConnell wishes to back Killary and just concentrate on control of the senate. The GOP is fucked up.
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I'm well aware you all hate Bill Maher, and I disagree with him at least 50% of the time, but I thought this was relevant both for the very real clips of Trump being…unpresidential…and also thought Maher's satirical sketch was pretty spot on and funny.
https://youtu.be/IqFGZOUhO1M
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I'm well aware you all hate Bill Maher, and I disagree with him at least 50% of the time, but I thought this was relevant both for the very real clips of Trump being…unpresidential…and also thought Maher's satirical sketch was pretty spot on and funny.
I watch him every week. But then I like a broad perspective. Very entertaining show.
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You watch and agree with Maher, but hate Trump?
Very telling.
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You watch and agree with Maher, but hate Trump?
Very telling.
Disagree with Maher at times and find Trump entertaining as well.
Still very telling?
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The dumb in this. It burns. So he's wicked smaht, he just doesn't want anyone to know it yet until it "really matters". :facepalm:
Same way Gushlee saves the real good plays for the bammer game?
Yeah it's bullshit. He has no substance. The debate is the place for that. To hash it all out. Trump has zero substance.
- everyone is a loser
- we need to win more
- make America great again
- were gonna build a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it
- I love our vets and am gonna take care of em
- were gonna get rid of obamacare and replace it with something so much better (single payer)
- were gonna make good deals and believe me I know how to make a deal
- various misc insults and name calling when the heat turns up on him at any given time
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You watch and agree with Maher, but hate Trump?
Very telling.
I'm as unliberal as anyone you know but maher probably has a higher fact % than trump. And I'm also not one who agrees with maher that much. But it's more an agree to disagree. I don't find him non factual at all for the most part.
At this point you guys are arguing over a fascist, a criminal and a communist. We all lose.
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Thing is about Trump is that a lot of his views on issues are okay. He's actually addressing immigration, trade policies, and political corruption.
It's his personality and character though that keep me from ever considering him. He's a spoiled bully. Some may enjoy having that in the White House, but I think it's a detriment to the country. I've said that Obama's worse trait is that he's a divisive leader and has caused some of the worst animosity between the American people since the 19th century. Trump would be worse.
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immigration, trade policies, and political corruption.
Saying those words doesn't mean he's addressing the issues.
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I watch him every week. But then I like a broad perspective. Very entertaining show.
I can't respect the opinion of anyone who watches Mahr.
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Thing is about Trump is that a lot of his views on issues are okay. He's actually addressing immigration, trade policies, and political corruption.
It's his personality and character though that keep me from ever considering him. He's a spoiled bully. Some may enjoy having that in the White House, but I think it's a detriment to the country. I've said that Obama's worse trait is that he's a divisive leader and has caused some of the worst animosity between the American people since the 19th century. Trump would be worse.
Obama is not a leader. He's never led anything.
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Thing is about Trump is that a lot of his views on issues are okay. He's actually addressing immigration, trade policies, and political corruption.
It's his personality and character though that keep me from ever considering him. He's a spoiled bully. Some may enjoy having that in the White House, but I think it's a detriment to the country. I've said that Obama's worse trait is that he's a divisive leader and has caused some of the worst animosity between the American people since the 19th century. Trump would be worse.
Don't know Kevin Spacey's politics but would take him over Trump right now.Hell, for that matter I would settle for Paul Giamatti portraying John Adams. Less embarrassing and somewhat better hair. Snappy dresser that Adams too.
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I watch him every week. But then I like a broad perspective. Very entertaining show.
Same. Like I said I don't agree with him on everything, but there's very few people I can say that about. And as some here don't understand, he has a panel of guests, almost always including a conservative or two of the three. There is actually measured discussion and all points usually get discussed on most issues.
By the way, it is possible to watch a show like that and 100% disagree 100% of the time with the views of the host or even everyone on the panel. If you are spoon-fed thoughts from Hannity or O'Reilley or Rush, that's fine by me, but don't assume everyone lets the TV box think for them.
BTW the video I meant to post wasn't even attached earlier so I brought him up for nothing. It is now. And below.
https://youtu.be/IqFGZOUhO1M
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I can't respect the opinion of anyone who watches Mahr.
I channel surfed by Rachel Maddow the other night. Watched part of a segment. Does that do anything for you?
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I channel surfed by Rachel Maddow the other night. Watched part of a segment. Does that do anything for you?
I cringed. Another waste of Human flesh. Blecht!
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I cringed. Another waste of Human flesh. Blecht!
Now and then I might catch the McGlocklin Report...see what the old folks are saying. There's a big world out here, something for everyone.
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Now and then I might catch the McGlocklin Report...see what the old folks are saying. There's a big world out here, something for everyone.
Never heard of him. I try to stay away from the TV for political news. I read articles. We have this thing called the interwebs now. Invented by Al gore.
If I get to a big word I don't understand, I can look it up!
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/politics/chris-christie-endorses-donald-trump/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Must admit, this surprises me.
Why, both are upstate, New England liberals.
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Why, both are upstate, New England liberals.
Went for Rubio's jugular. Guess Trump couldn't wait for that to get wheels.
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I know where you are coming from. I actually agree with you on some things. But, I still hate your fucking guts. It's almost getting to the point that I hate you more than I hate Dallas. Not there yet, but srsly, the closer that we get to the election, the closer I get.
But I still think that you and I have made progress and bridged some gaps.
All that hate is gonna burn you up inside kid.
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All that hate is gonna burn you up inside kid.
Keep him warm...
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Keep him warm...
Your mama would be real proud.
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John Oliver #MicFlip on Donald Drumpf...this Republican leader is such a good business man, he thought it would be a great idea to start a mortgage company in 2006, right before the housing market tanked, lol.
http://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ
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John Oliver #MicFlip on Donald Drumpf...this Republican leader is such a good business man, he thought it would be a great idea to start a mortgage company in 2006, right before the housing market tanked, lol.
http://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ
I know right? Because we ALL saw that collapse coming and he was an idiot.
I know that's how I made many of my hundreds of millions, by shorting the mortgage companies in 2007.
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John Oliver #MicFlip on Donald Drumpf...this Republican leader is such a good business man, he thought it would be a great idea to start a mortgage company in 2006, right before the housing market tanked, lol.
http://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ
To be fair the housing market didn't fall apart until October 2008. Getting into mortgages in 2006 when money was flowing freely wasn't a terrible idea. Most people knew it had to end but in 06 it looked like the roller coaster was still on the way up with the drop a long way off. And it wasn't mortgages per se, it was mortgages for people who weren't remotely qualified. That was the result of government (socialist) intervention which loosened restrictions to the point that a buffalo with a five dollar bill could buy a house because "err-body deserves the right to buy a massive home"' -- a plan put into place by Clinton by the way.
Whoever that British clown is, he can take all the shots he wants but trying to make money in the mortgage game in 2006 was not that bad an idea.
The level of freak out over Trump is pretty funny to me. Liberals -- people who gave us the worst president of my lifetime and who are trying to force feed us Hellary -- are shitting their pants.
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To be fair the housing market didn't fall apart until October 2008. Getting into mortgages in 2006 when money was flowing freely wasn't a terrible idea. Most people knew it had to end but in 06 it looked like the roller coaster was still on the way up with the drop a long way off. And it wasn't mortgages per se, it was mortgages for people who weren't remotely qualified. That was the result of government (socialist) intervention which loosened restrictions to the point that a buffalo with a five dollar bill could buy a house because "err-body deserves the right to buy a massive home"' -- a plan put into place by Clinton by the way.
Whoever that British clown is, he can take all the shots he wants but trying to make money in the mortgage game in 2006 was not that bad an idea.
The level of freak out over Trump is pretty funny to me. Liberals -- people who gave us the worst president of my lifetime and who are trying to force feed us Hellary -- are shitting their pants.
The sheeple eat this shit up. greedy Wall Street they say. When all they have to do is look north to Detroit to see where the cause lies.
Notice how Dodd and Frank quietly went away?
Social engineering cause the mortgage collapse, nothing more.
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One of the biggest reasons for the division we have in this country today is the intellectual primatives we have among us who form their opinions based upon something they watched on Comedy fucking Central.
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#MicFlip
Your fascination with microphones is either masking a failed dream of being a singer or you are obsessed with dicks.
Either way, are you enjoying the warm embers from the flames of the Bernie Sanders "campaign"?
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are you enjoying the warm embers from the flames of the Bernie Sanders "campaign"?
Feel the Bern out!
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Feel the Bern out!
Since Trump will almost certainly win Alabama I will vote democratic today. And for Bernie. Because he's a moron but not as dangerous as Clinton. He isn't self aware enough to realize how stupid he is. She knows and lies about it.
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Since Trump will almost certainly win Alabama I will vote democratic today. And for Bernie. Because he's a moron but not as dangerous as Clinton. He isn't self aware enough to realize how stupid he is. She knows and lies about it.
You sure you can do that?
I am a registered Independent. I did this about 5 years ago specifically BECAUSE at the time, if I registered Libertarian, I couldn't vote in either the R or D primaries. Independent, at that time, allowed you to vote in either.
Just found out today that that has since changed and you have to be registered as an R to vote in the R primary and D to vote in the D primary. Tried to switch my registration to R to vote Rubio, but it was too late. Deadline was Feb. 3.
So I switched it to Libertarian since apparently there's no advantage to registering Independent anymore.
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You sure you can do that?
I am a registered Independent. I did this about 5 years ago specifically BECAUSE at the time, if I registered Libertarian, I couldn't vote in either the R or D primaries. Independent, at that time, allowed you to vote in either.
Just found out today that that has since changed and you have to be registered as an R to vote in the R primary and D to vote in the D primary. Tried to switch my registration to R to vote Rubio, but it was too late. Deadline was Feb. 3.
So I switched it to Libertarian since apparently there's no advantage to registering Independent anymore.
In GA. you just had to mark on your pre-vote card which party you were voting for.
Had to show my ID also. DAMN RACIST BASTAGES!
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In GA. you just had to mark on your pre-vote card which party you were voting for.
Had to show my ID also. DAMN RACIST BASTAGES!
Showed my ID and the lady asked "you want democrak or reprublicam?"
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Showed my ID and the lady asked "you want democrak or reprublicam?"
You knew at that point it didn't matter. What was coming out of the machine would be the most democraktik choice!
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You know .... If all the people who threaten to leave the country if Trump is elected actually follow through and leave? I'd vote for himlike I lived in Chicago -- 20 times.
Bye.
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Such great business prowess tho!
http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/10/paris-hilton-is-better-at-business-than-donald-trump-is/
Paris Hilton Is Better At Business Than Donald Trump Is
Maybe we should look to Paris Hilton and not Donald Trump for guidance as we navigate one of the stupidest of stupid times to be alive.
Rich Cromwell
DECEMBER 10, 2015
Let’s say we have an heir and an heiress. One of them inherited approximately $5 million and parlayed it into a net worth that’s conservatively estimated to be around $100 million. The other inherited around $200 million and is today worth around $4.5 billion.
Obviously, $4.5 billion is a much larger number than $100 million, so we can easily conclude that the billionaire Donald J. Trump is much savvier when it comes to business than mere millionaire Paris Hilton. Not so fast. While Trump does have billions of dollars, he’d have been better off if he’d invested into index funds than if he’d followed his own impulses.
Sure, he’d only be better off by a max of about $9 billion, but wait a second. That’s a lot of money. With that, he could build a pretty long section of border fence, if not the entire thing. On the other hand, given his connections, I’m betting Trump could build the entire thing for $9 billion. If he couldn’t, is he really the man he claims to be, the one to Make America Great Again?
Maybe, just maybe, the man vying to be businessman-in-chief isn’t quite so good at abusing eminent domain and taking advantage of Chapter 11 bankruptcy as he claims. Maybe a well-coiffed blond who went for ultra-reality video before settling into reality TV is better at making fat stacks of cash. Maybe it is she, and not he (who was honestly better at reality TV, but I digress), whom we should be looking toward for guidance as we navigate today, one of the stupidest of stupid times to be alive.
When the Market Beats You
This isn’t conjecture, but cold, hard fact. Hilton’s fragrances, for example, have brought in $1.3 billion in revenue since 2005. She also makes bank just for appearing here and there—from videos and birthday parties, seriously, to promotional outings—as well as for licensing her name and likeness.
Now, she is akin to Trump in that he is a brand unto himself. Unlike Trump, however, Hilton has never used eminent domain or Chapter 11 to her advantage, nor has she been removed from Macy’s. She’s all about making straight-up profits, baby, and her market presence is on the ascent. Advantage Paris.
And Hilton is only 34. She could certainly face some headwinds as she moves forward—Trump didn’t declare bankruptcy until much later in life when he was 45—but she’s also structured her wealth in such a way so as to avoid the risks that Trump loves exposing himself to via his debt.
Hilton’s 44 stores worldwide and the beach resort she designed are more about her name than her investment. She lends the brand in exchange for adding to her liquid assets. As such, who do you trust, the blonde with flowing locks who knows how to keep it liquid or the blond ginger with a dead animal perched atop his head who knows how to be beholden to banks?
In other words, while Trump was investing his inheritance to abuse eminent domain and come out worse than if he’d invested in an S&P index fund, Hilton was building a real empire. Advantage, again, Paris.
Better: Compare Donald Trump to Barack Obama
This isn’t a new observation. Kevin Williamson compared the two and also found Hilton edges out Trump on leveraging personal brand for duckets, but he was wrong to compare the Donald to Paris. The more apt comparison is to our current commander in chief—one Barack Hussein.
Roll with me here. Obama wrote not one, but two, autobiographies before he really accomplished anything. In stark contrast, one of Trump’s first decisions upon claiming the family business was to rename it Trump Organization, although he waited a bit to write his autobiography.
Obama just got to it earlier. Maybe it was the lack of inherited wealth, but he understood he had to build the brand, and he did. Since writing those autobiographies, he’s leveraged that brand into various elected positions, most notably the presidency.
And he didn’t let that victory stop him. After moving into the White House, which Obama doesn’t even own, he won an award that doesn’t really jibe with his subsequent actions. He has also abused eminent domain. (I told you they were birds of a feather.)
Obama has presided over some other financial failures, just like Trump, though history hasn’t gone on enough to see if it was him who took us all the way to Chapter 11. There were the credit rating downgrades, but, much as Trump emerged, so has the nation thankfully emerged from those dings. Regardless, one has to ask if Hilton (remember, she does turn 35 before November 2016) would be so reckless with our national finances.
Paris All the Way, Baby
No, Hilton is all about growth. She gets that building the brand and the portfolio is about success, about numerical strength built on cashflow in, return on investment, and not getting overly leveraged in her business ventures.
By no measure is the Donald better at business than Paris. It’s time we recognize that and demand more from our candidates than ridiculous pandering, an embrace of too big to fail, and a history of mediocre financial growth. America used to be great, a shining city upon a hill. It can be great again, but not if we elect a third-rate trust-fund baby to manage our finances.
We deserve better—the best, really. We deserve a trust-fund baby who doesn’t have to abuse regulation or declare bankruptcy. One who understands how to build wealth and mitigate risk. One who is really great and can build the brand—that is, our national character—better than anyone else. One who would surround herself with the savviest thinkers available. Thankfully, the numbers don’t lie, and the numbers provide us with the best option.
We need Paris 2016.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-donald-trump-left-13-billion-on-table-2016-03-01
How Donald Trump left $13 billion on table
Published: Mar 1, 2016 9:56 a.m. ET
Even with limited information, it appears presidential candidate underperformed rivals
By
ELLIOT
BLAIR SMITH
Donald Trump’s doing great at the polls, but not versus other real-estate investors.
Donald Trump is the outperformer in most Republican presidential polls going into Super Tuesday, but he may be an underperformer in real estate after 40 years of dealmaking. Would he be a better president than property manager?
“Mr. Trump has underperformed the real estate market by approximately $13.2 billion, or 57%,†since 1976, says John Griffin, a finance professor at the University of Texas, who compared Trump’s stated net worth with four decades of returns on the FTSE NAREIT All Equity REITS FNER, +2.06% Index.
The NAREIT index, developed in the early 1970s by the Washington-based trade group the National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, tracks the performance of publicly traded real estate investment companies that own commercial properties, such as offices, hotels and apartments.
Starting with Trump’s professed net worth of “more than $200 million†in an interview published by The New York Times in November 1976, Griffin says the FTSE NAREIT All Equity REITS Index-compounded return would have returned $23.2 billon at the end of 2015, “considerably above Mr. Trump’s recent self-reported net worth of approximately $10 billion.â€
Rather than rely on Trump’s word alone, Griffin also calculated the developer’s returns based on two independent assessments of his wealth: A BusinessWeek estimate that he was worth $100 million in 1978, and Forbes magazine’s analysis that puts his current fortune at about $4.5 billion.
Starting with the BusinessWeek number, the NAREIT index would have returned $8.6 billion by the end of last year, which is nearly double the Forbes estimate and consistent with “an underperformance of 48%,†Griffin says.
One caveat is that the NAREIT index doesn’t take into account living expenses and taxes. It’s not possible to estimate Trump’s real-estate tax rate, as he has not released his personal income taxes. Real estate investors pay no income tax so long as they roll any asset sale into a like-kind real estate venture.
However, Griffin also points out that investing in a passive REIT also has a cost: At an average expense ratio of 1.03%, a $23 billion REIT position would cost the investor about $230 million a year in fees, an amount that would go a long way toward meeting living expenses.
“These numbers,†Griffin adds, “do not take into account leverage. The REIT equity funds have current leverage rations around 36%, while Trump is documented to have been levered to 69%. If one were to lever the REIT returns at Trump’s rate, then the index’s performance would be considerably higher.â€
So “not only is the $13.2 billion a potential understatement of Trump’s underperformance,†Griffin concludes, “but also it seems he needed to take on a market-exceeding amount of risk in order to achieve his performance.â€
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Those are two REALLY stupid articles and they clearly emphasize just how pee-their-pants frightened of Trump the ivory tower bobble heads really are.
Their outright panic makes me wonder what they are truly scared of.
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You know .... If all the people who threaten to leave the country if Trump is elected actually follow through and leave? I'd vote for himlike I lived in Chicago -- 20 times.
Bye.
I'll help them pack.
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Those are two REALLY stupid articles and they clearly emphasize just how pee-their-pants frightened of Trump the ivory tower bobble heads really are.
Their outright panic makes me wonder what they are truly scared of.
Maybe if the Don were to show his cooch in a privately leaked video, he would make more money...
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Those are two REALLY stupid articles and they clearly emphasize just how pee-their-pants frightened of Trump the ivory tower bobble heads really are.
Their outright panic makes me wonder what they are truly scared of.
Yeah! Verifiable, indesputable facts and numbers are for faggots!
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Yeah! Verifiable, indesputable facts and numbers are for faggots!
Kinda. The fact still remains that there are those of you running around stating that you know for certain he will be a terrible president. Yet there is no real measure of that. He is the only one left that has no political track record. Yet you claim to have facts and numbers to prove otherwise...
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Kinda. The fact still remains that there are those of you running around stating that you know for certain he will be a terrible president. Yet there is no real measure of that. He is the only one left that has no political track record. Yet you claim to have facts and numbers to prove otherwise...
Same applies to the retarded guy that cleans the toilets at the Boobie Bungalow. Let's vote for that guy for leader of the free world.
:facepalm:
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Same applies to the retarded guy that cleans the toilets at the Boobie Bungalow. Let's vote for that guy for leader of the free world. :facepalm:
His 8 years are up.
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Yeah! Verifiable, indesputable facts and numbers are for faggots!
They're not "verifiable, indisputable facts."
They are suppositions based on projections in hindsight.
It's just more scare tactics from the shellshocked media. The constant drumbeat of negativity from all corners just makes me more determined that Trump might be the right guy to destroy the mush-headed left.
al.com has resorted to infantile tirades and predictions of apocalypse. They even had some guy on there rhapsodizing about the magnificence of Obama's ascent and how it was such a wonderful event for America while simultaneously calling the rise of Trump a horror show. What he fails to realize is that the empty suit, empty rhetoric of Obama and his ilk is precisely what begat Trump. Were there no weak-willed Hussein, there would be no groundswell of support for a candidate like Donald.
I'm not worried about a country that would fall in line behind Trump's tough guy bluster. I AM concerned however at the legion of absolute morons who followed Obama's shallow nonsense the first time, more concerned that the fools voted for him a second time when he was such an abject and total failure in his first term, and even more concerned that there are apparently millions of dullards so stupid that they would vote for the false promise of Hellary or Sanders.
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Good read highlighting three scenarios of a Trump win.
http://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2015/12/7/9861008/what-if-trump-becomes-president
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Really VOX?
That ahithole hasn't had an objective article YET!
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Really VOX?
That ahithole hasn't had an objective article YET!
Then this was the first.
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Then this was the first.
No. No it wasn't.
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No. No it wasn't.
In short, Trump and both parties have to be willing to compromise to get things done.
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In short, Trump and both parties have to be willing to compromise to get things done.
See: Every year for the last 150.
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His 8 years are up.
He'd still be a better candidate than any of the Republicans...Drumpf is the best y'all can offer, LMAO...sad really.
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He'd still be a better candidate than any of the Republicans...Drumpf is the best y'all can offer, LMAO...sad really.
He's the worst president of my lifetime. And I count Carter and Johnson and Ford in my mix.
We would have been better with no president than his executive orders, his decrees, his hired and his atrocious foreign policy. Any republican candidate -- including all those who have thus far dropped out -- would be better than Obama or either of the current democratic candidates.
And here's what pisses me off the most. If the people vote for Trump what right does the media have to ask "who's going to stop him" and "Can trump be derailed?" On top of that, what right does the Republican Party have to decide it won't accept the will of the people who voted for him? That discussion infuriates me and will lead to Trump being nominated. The rebellious American nature will see to that.
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He's the worst president of my lifetime. And I count Carter and Johnson and Ford in my mix.
We would have been better with no president than his executive orders, his decrees, his hired and his atrocious foreign policy. Any republican candidate -- including all those who have thus far dropped out -- would be better than Obama or either of the current democratic candidates.
And here's what pisses me off the most. If the people vote for Trump what right does the media have to ask "who's going to stop him" and "Can trump be derailed?" On top of that, what right does the Republican Party have to decide it won't accept the will of the people who voted for him? That discussion infuriates me and will lead to Trump being nominated. The rebellious American nature will see to that.
This, in my opinion, is the best observation that has been made in this entire discussion. Kudos.
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He's the worst president of my lifetime. And I count Carter and Johnson and Ford in my mix.
We would have been better with no president than his executive orders, his decrees, his hired and his atrocious foreign policy. Any republican candidate -- including all those who have thus far dropped out -- would be better than Obama or either of the current democratic candidates.
And here's what pisses me off the most. If the people vote for Trump what right does the media have to ask "who's going to stop him" and "Can trump be derailed?" On top of that, what right does the Republican Party have to decide it won't accept the will of the people who voted for him? That discussion infuriates me and will lead to Trump being nominated. The rebellious American nature will see to that.
Osama Bin Laden agrees with the "President Obama's atrocious foreign policy" comment.
Mark this down for later use, years down the road, we'll look back at Obama's run and realize that he was actually pretty good. Also, I'm glad gas prices are back down, thanks Obama (remember during the '08 & '12 presidential run how candidates were saying that they'd drop the gas prices...welp, prices are down under Obama).
As for the "worst president of my lifetime" statement...
Here's a list of positive things that President Obama did (take your time to read them, they also include links, for the people that might say "well that's a democratic page, or a Obama supporter page, or whatever)
http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
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Osama Bin Laden agrees with the "President Obama's atrocious foreign policy" comment.
Mark this down for later use, years down the road, we'll look back at Obama's run and realize that he was actually pretty good. Also, I'm glad gas prices are back down, thanks Obama (remember during the '08 & '12 presidential run how candidates were saying that they'd drop the gas prices...welp, prices are down under Obama).
Obama was the benefactor of YEARS of hunting that dirtbag. Nothing more nothing less. He get's neither credit or blame for that.
As far as fuel prices, you need to realize two things....1) the whoever the president is has no impact on fuel prices and 2) If you really believe that the president has any impact to any degree on fuel prices then you need to review where prices have been over the last 6 years.
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Those are two REALLY stupid articles and they clearly emphasize just how pee-their-pants frightened of Trump the ivory tower bobble heads really are.
Their outright panic makes me wonder what they are truly scared of.
This 1000 times. I thought the exact same thing reading these...
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Also, I'm glad gas prices are back down, thanks Obama (remember during the '08 & '12 presidential run how candidates were saying that they'd drop the gas prices...welp, prices are down under Obama).
:sad:
Good god...
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The dip in gas prices has been great. Filling up my new truck (Ford F-150) for about $30.00 makes me tingle. The corresponding drop in the stock market with the drop in oil prices does not give me even a single tingle.
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One thing that makes me feel pretty good is that if the middle to upper class can survive 8 years of Obama, then 4 to 8 years of Trump should be a cakewalk.
At least I agree with some of what Trump stands for, even if I don't like his personality or his business morals.
I am preparing myself to cheerfully support him. I am accustomed to my primary choice almost NEVER making it to the general election, except W. So, I'm accustomed to this.
Honestly, I survived Jimmy Carter, who was a good man but a poor president. So, I think I can make it through Hillary, Sanders or Trump. Most of you on here are likely too weak to survive. I realize this but I'm o.k. with it.
I wish I could help. Good luck.
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The corresponding drop in the stock market with the drop in oil prices does not give me even a single tingle.
Sweet barking Jesus, you nailed it. It's fucking depressing to look at my 401(k).
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Sweet barking Jesus, you nailed it. It's fucking depressing to look at my 401(k).
His voters do not typically have a 401K...
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This might just put the Trumpster over the top:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mitt-romney-eviscerate-donald-trump-phony-fraud-n530877
It seems the powers that be are very scared of the people. The republican party has had a long time to clean house. They did not. Now we have Trump. He is a creation of the GOP's failure. Bringing Romney out now is a bit pathetic. And embarrassing for the GOP leadership.
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This might just put the Trumpster over the top:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mitt-romney-eviscerate-donald-trump-phony-fraud-n530877
It seems the powers that be are very scared of the people. The republican party has had a long time to clean house. They did not. Now we have Trump. He is a creation of the GOP's failure. Bringing Romney out now is a bit pathetic. And embarrassing for the GOP leadership.
Saw that too and agree. This makes the GOP look really desperate and it still wont matter. Cruz has the best shot at competing with Trump but that is an uphill battle at this point.
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He'd still be a better candidate than any of the Republicans...Drumpf is the best y'all can offer, LMAO...sad really.
you have so much to be proud of from this clown.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k234/Cal_Jennings/Political/obamabowstojapaneseemperor.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Cal_Jennings/media/Political/obamabowstojapaneseemperor.jpg.html)
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He's the worst president of my lifetime. And I count Carter and Johnson and Ford in my mix.
We would have been better with no president than his executive orders, his decrees, his hired and his atrocious foreign policy. Any republican candidate -- including all those who have thus far dropped out -- would be better than Obama or either of the current democratic candidates.
And here's what pisses me off the most. If the people vote for Trump what right does the media have to ask "who's going to stop him" and "Can trump be derailed?" On top of that, what right does the Republican Party have to decide it won't accept the will of the people who voted for him? That discussion infuriates me and will lead to Trump being nominated. The rebellious American nature will see to that.
Tells you how dumb the American public is getting, at least they were smart enough to get rid of him after 4 years.
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The dip in gas prices has been great. Filling up my new truck (Ford F-150) for about $30.00 makes me tingle. The corresponding drop in the stock market with the drop in oil prices does not give me even a single tingle.
Makes me tingle....I been buying as much oil stock I can.
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The amount of dipshitedry in this thread is staggering...absolutely staggering.
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https://youtu.be/U9wG4v8acAE
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Osama Bin Laden agrees with the "President Obama's atrocious foreign policy" comment.
Mark this down for later use, years down the road, we'll look back at Obama's run and realize that he was actually pretty good. Also, I'm glad gas prices are back down, thanks Obama (remember during the '08 & '12 presidential run how candidates were saying that they'd drop the gas prices...welp, prices are down under Obama).
As for the "worst president of my lifetime" statement...
Here's a list of positive things that President Obama did (take your time to read them, they also include links, for the people that might say "well that's a democratic page, or a Obama supporter page, or whatever)
http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
You have no clue how commodities work and are traded. You may also want to visit the idea of shale production and fracking that the left hates so much. It's the real reason oil has gone low. Supply, demand, commodities trading - learn it. They've done this in spite of Obama's attempt to curb production. Kudos to them.
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:sad:
Good god...
And to think people like him operate 1-3 ton automobiles on the road daily. And vote. It's scary.
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Makes me tingle....I been buying as much oil stock I can.
No offense but that's just dumb. Why buy the stock when you can store up gas and have direct savings.
I have 5 gallon buckets full of unleaded stored in my garage all at below $2 a gallon. And we've been buying extra gallon jugs of milk, pouring them down the drain to store gas in.
Just buy direct and save until it gets higher. Cut out the middle man. Trust me. I know finance and investing.
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The amount of dipshitedry in this thread is staggering...absolutely staggering.
I don't speak for everybody, but Thank you.
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I don't speak for everybody, but Thank you.
He said "dipshitedry", not hatred.
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No offense but that's just dumb. Why buy the stock when you can store up gas and have direct savings.
I have 5 gallon buckets full of unleaded stored in my garage all at below $2 a gallon. And we've been buying extra gallon jugs of milk, pouring them down the drain to store gas in.
Just buy direct and save until it gets higher. Cut out the middle man. Trust me. I know finance and investing.
So what do you pour on your Post Toasties?
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So what do you pour on your Post Toasties?
What do spirits have for breakfast?
Ghost Toasties and Evaporated Milk
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He said "dipshitedry", not hatred.
Close cousin so I accepted it.
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No offense but that's just dumb. Why buy the stock when you can store up gas and have direct savings.
I have 5 gallon buckets full of unleaded stored in my garage all at below $2 a gallon. And we've been buying extra gallon jugs of milk, pouring them down the drain to store gas in.
Just buy direct and save until it gets higher. Cut out the middle man. Trust me. I know finance and investing.
Jokes on you dude....gas will eat through a milk jug.
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The amount of dipshitedry in this thread is staggering...absolutely staggering.
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This might just put the Trumpster over the top:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mitt-romney-eviscerate-donald-trump-phony-fraud-n530877
It seems the powers that be are very scared of the people. The republican party has had a long time to clean house. They did not. Now we have Trump. He is a creation of the GOP's failure. Bringing Romney out now is a bit pathetic. And embarrassing for the GOP leadership.
Your party is burning to the ground, dude. If you claim to be a Republican, there is no way the unprecedented historic shit-show that is the current state of the Republican party is a good thing for you.
But spin it how you wish. Hillary WILL be the president next year with Dipshit McBumblefuck as the Republican nominee. It takes a special kind of idiocy not to see this clearly.
Everyone is laughing AT you.
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Since the romney/Ryan ticket is all but formally announce, Gray Johnson is looking gooder to mez errday.
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Your party is burning to the ground, dude. If you claim to be a Republican, there is no way the unprecedented historic shit-show that is the current state of the Republican party is a good thing for you.
But spin it how you wish. Hillary WILL be the president next year with Dipshit McBumblefuck as the Republican nominee. It takes a special kind of idiocy not to see this clearly.
Everyone is laughing AT you.
Silly little man, they are seeing the voice of the people strike out against the establishment. The party is changing, not dying!
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Your party is burning to the ground, dude. If you claim to be a Republican, there is no way the unprecedented historic shit-show that is the current state of the Republican party is a good thing for you.
But spin it how you wish. Hillary WILL be the president next year with Dipshit McBumblefuck as the Republican nominee. It takes a special kind of idiocy not to see this clearly.
Everyone is laughing AT you.
Holy shit. You showed your hand. Lost all respect...
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Holy shit. You showed your hand. Lost all respect...
And what hand is that exactly?
I've stated repeatedly I'm not a Republican, but I'm not a Democrat either. As such, I'd prefer there to be some sort of balance and take no great delight in what is clearly the utter destruction of the Republican Party.
I lose respect for anyone who can't see this. For anyone who thinks Trump is anything but a complete fucking moron. Bashing guys like Romney, McCain, & Ryan for what? Being too "elitist", which is code for not stupid? Or not racist? Trump refusing to disavow his endorsement from the KKK and David Duke? Are you fucking serious? The answer is no rather you realize it or not.
I think a lot of stupid people have conflated PC with flat out moronic crassness and/or bigotry. Yes the term racist gets overused, but it is completely appropriate for a guy that kicks black people out of his crowds (not talking about protesters) and won't rebuke the KKFuckingK.
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and won't rebuke the KKFuckingK.
This pretty much proves you don't do your due diligence when it come to Trump...
He has many things that can be irritating, but this is just another media fabrication.
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This pretty much proves you don't do your due diligence when it come to Trump...
He has many things that can be irritating, but this is just another media fabrication.
Due diligence. LOL. Infowars tell you how to "correctly" parse this?
Trump: I don't know what group you're talking about. You wouldn't want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. ... If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them and certainly I would disavow them if I thought there was something wrong.
Tapper: The Ku Klux Klan?
Trump: You may have groups in there that are totally fine and it would be very unfair. So give me a list of the groups and I'll let you know.
Tapper: I'm just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here.
Trump: Honestly, I don't know David Duke.
Honestly, this is part of the problem. Stupid people (read CCTAU) can't see what is right in front of them until Fox News or Breitbart or whoever parses it out for them to tell them that black is white and up is down. And then have the lack of self-awareness to tell others they are brainwashed by not EXCLUSIVELY getting their news that way...
Your guy is not even a Republican or a conservative. That's why the actual Republian party hates him. As well as anyone with a brain that is conservative at all, hence that National Review piece that was contributed to by just about every one of them in the public eye. Well, that and the fact that they can see they will set the party back centuries with that type of prideful ignorance.
Ben Shapiro, the author The People vs. Barack Obama: The Criminal Case Against the Obama Administration, Bullies: How the Left's Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America, Primetime Propaganda: The True Hollywood Story of How the Left Took Over Your TV, Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future, and Brainwashed: How Universities Indoctrinate America's Youth, I'm guessing is too libruhl for you not to dismiss him out of hand. Cause he speaks gud n stuf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5dBzxKNOw
Maybe some good can come from all this. The party can perform a Trump-supporter-ectomy and completely fracture into the two opposite directions it's clearly heading, and I can have a major party I can get behind.
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I think a lot of stupid people have conflated PC with flat out moronic crassness and/or bigotry.
Yup.
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from foxynewsdot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.
No matter the internal strife over Donald Trump’s presidential bid, the intensely competitive Republican primary contest is bringing a booming number of voters to the polls – while Democratic turnout plunges, raising questions about whether these trends will last through November.
For the Republicans, turnout has been higher than in 2008 across every state to vote so far this year. In Virginia and Texas, turnout was 100 percent higher.
Meanwhile, Democratic turnout was down in every state that has held a primary and caucus except Colorado. In some states -- including Nevada, Tennessee and Texas -- it dropped more than 30 percent. Overall, voter turnout from the Super Tuesday states was 66 percent higher for the Republicans, and 31 percent lower for the Democrats.
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Bitches gonna bitch. But when it comes time to vote the real deal, there will be ONLY two names that have any chance of winning.
I honestly do not care who any of you vote for. I will continue to be one of the more affluent and handsome men on here, regardless.
But, if you vote for anything without an R beside it, let me just say you are a complete waste of humanity and a looser. And gay. Definitely gay or have homosexual tendencies. But, you should already know this.
Carry on the debate. Fags.
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Chad, I didn't vote for Donald Trump. I don't think he would make an effective President because his adversarial and combative nature would most likely keep him from getting the cooperation from the peeps in Washington he most needs it from. But the man just might wind up in the Ovary Office. The piece I posted above and several others I've read suggest that people are apathetic about Hilary and she's just not garnering the same support or energizing the Democratic fan base like Obama did. Whether anyone likes it or not, Donald Trump could very well be our next President. I hope not, but....
I think we get by now that you think Trump is a lying, scheming, bigoted, scumbag piece of shit and anyone who supports him is either stupid, brainwashed, an idiot or all of the above. You've made that clear. BTW, one of the first things out of his mouth last night was condemning David Duke and the KKK. But no matter. Having said that, here's where Donald Trump (The man of zero substance) stands on several key issues according to ontheissues.org. I agree with a lot of it and some things I don't, mainly his stance on National Security, which I strongly disagree with. I imagine Climate Change would be a small point of contention for you with Trump. So about the issues, where do you agree or disagree and how does your guy match up with these views?
ON DEFENSE: In his 2011 book Time to Get Tough, Trump lists seven core principles of his foreign policy doctrine, which emphasizes defense: 1) American interests come first; 2) Maximum firepower and military preparedness; 3) Only go to war to win; 4) Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies; 5) Keep the technological sword razor sharp; 6) See the unseen. Prepare for threats before they materialize; and 7) Respect and support our present and past warriors.
ON CLIMATE CHANGE: Donald Trump says he does not believe that climate change is a significant environmental challenge and he doubts that humans are contributing factors. “I consider climate change to be not one of our big problems,†Trump said in September 2015. He says the Obama administration has wasted billions on green energy programs. In October 2015, Trump characterized the Environmental Protection Agency as a “disgrace†and said he would significantly cut the agency back.
Meanwhile, Trump has called for expanding domestic production of oil and gas, and has said that hydraulic fracturing “will lead to American energy independence.†If elected, he pledges to immediately approve the Keystone XL pipeline, a project that would have delivered hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil daily from Canada to U.S. refineries, but which President Obama vetoed. Construction of the project would have brought “no impact on environment and lots of jobs for the U.S.,†Trump said.
ON IMMIGRATION: Trump issued a policy paper in August 2015 outlining his three-point plan for immigration reform. First, he pledges to construct a wall across the entire southern U.S. border, which he says the Mexican government should either finance or be subject to a number of penalties. These will include, Trump says, the United States withholding billions of dollars in remittance payments to Mexico; hiking fees and possibly cancelling visas issued to Mexicans; and increasing fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico. “The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices,†he writes.
Second, he pledges to ramp up law enforcement, including tripling the number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, imposing nationwide e-verify, deporting all criminal non-citizens, defunding so-called sanctuary cities (municipalities that critics say do not fully enforce federal immigration laws), raising penalties for those who overstay their visa, and ending birthright citizenship. “[The guarantee of birthright citizenship] remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration,†he says.
Lastly, he says he will restrict legal immigration, including the flow of guest workers and refugees, and legally require U.S. businesses to hire U.S. citizens before others.
Trump has said that if elected president he would not only prevent Syrian refugees from coming to the United States, but he would also deport those already in the country.
He proposed temporarily banning all Muslims from entering the country after the December 2015 attacks in San Bernadino, California.
ON NATIONAL SECURITY: Donald Trump generally supports robust U.S. counterterrorism practices, including some controversial government surveillance and interrogation programs. “We have to err on the side of security,†Trump said in June 2015, speaking about the NSA’s program to collect bulk data on U.S. phone calls. “It’s certainly not something I like,†he said, “but when you have all these maniacs over the world, we probably have to go that little bit of an extra step.â€
He also supports the use of harsh interrogation techniques against suspected terrorists, including waterboarding. "I would support and endorse the use of enhanced interrogation techniques if the use of these methods would enhance the protection and safety of the nation. Though the effectiveness of many of these methods may be in dispute, nothing should be taken off the table when American lives are at stake," he wrote in February 2016.
Trump also chimed in on the encryption debate that month, saying he supported a California federal court's order compelling Apple to help the FBI crack the password of a terrorism suspect's iPhone. Furthermore, Trump called on Americans to boycott the technology company until it complied with the FBI's demands.
Meanwhile, he opposes President Obama's efforts to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center in Cuba, saying that, if elected, he would probably expand the number of detainees held there.
ON TRADE: Donald Trump says he favors free trade, but he has opposed several U.S. trade agreements because he says they were poorly negotiated and resulted in Americans losing jobs. In September 2015, he called the North American Free Trade Agreement a “disaster,†saying that his administration would “either renegotiate it or we will break it,†if he becomes president. Trump says he would penalize U.S. companies that shift manufacturing outside the country. He called out Ford Motor Company specifically in his June 2015 speech announcing his candidacy, saying he would impose a 35 percent tax on vehicles the automaker exports to the United States from new plants in Mexico. (Ford says its recent investments in Mexico help keep it globally competitive.)
Trump also opposes the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the Obama administration’s free trade agreement with Pacific Rim nations. He says the deal was concluded in secrecy and it will primarily benefit other countries, particularly China (not part of the TPP) and Japan, and large U.S. corporations.
In November 2015, Trump outlined his plan for reforming U.S. trade relations with China. He would as president formally designate China a currency manipulator, crack down on what he says is its theft of U.S. intellectual property, and expose its various export subsidy practices. Trump would also seek to lower the U.S. corporate income tax rate, decrease the national debt, and ramp up the U.S. military presence in the Asia-Pacific region, all of which he says would bolster Washington’s bargaining position with respect to Beijing.
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The waterboarding and some of the national security measures are all that I found to disagree with any of the above.
Thing is, if he does get elected, it will be a whole hell of a lot more about Trump than the people. He's full of hot air even more than most.
But I def see him as the lesser of two evils. And I will proudly vote for the Republicam nominee.
Still hoping it's somebody else.
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Your guy is not even a Republican or a conservative. That's why the actual Republian party hates him.
The establishment republicans aren't even republican or conservative. That's why the people hate them and why they are turning to a guy like Trump. That is 99% of the reason Trump is where he is now in the race, rather than bowing out early. The people are sick of these republicrats in Washington and they're revolting against them.
I'm not a Trump guy, but if it comes down to a choice between him and Hillary, I will throw the dice and go with him. Sitting out is not an option.
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Trump's New Campaign Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq-YKpKiKKU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq-YKpKiKKU)
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It would be kind of cool to hear our President say, "North Korea says their gonna' fire nukes or something at us. That little roly poly dictator keeps shooting off at the mouth. What's his name? Kim Jong? Jong rhymes with dong. Hey Jong, how big's your dong? My dong's bigger, Jong."
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ON DEFENSE: In his 2011 book Time to Get Tough, Trump lists seven core principles of his foreign policy doctrine, which emphasizes defense: 1) American interests come first; 2) Maximum firepower and military preparedness; 3) Only go to war to win; 4) Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies; 5) Keep the technological sword razor sharp; 6) See the unseen. Prepare for threats before they materialize; and 7) Respect and support our present and past warriors.
A nice change from the last 8 years.
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So about the issues, where do you agree or disagree and how does your guy match up with these views?
The problem is that he has changed pretty much all of his positions like the wind so that stupid people will vote for him now that he has an R behind his name. Yesterday was yesterday, man. This is for super sure what he really believes...
The sheer idiocy of believing that Mexicans will pay to build a wall to keep themselves out...let alone the proven ineffectiveness of said walls...and the unconstitutional nature of banning people from entering the country solely because they adhere to a specific religion...all that aside...
In 2012 he criticized Mitt Romney for being too harsh on immigration. But he was probably lying back then and totes speaking off the cuff now that he's frontrunner for the Republican nomination...He also hired illegals to build his golf courses and Trump towers. This is documented fact. He also originally said he would take in Syrian refugees.
Now you tell me which of these policies Trump has stated as his own do you support? (click the link to the right-wing blog, in order to follow other links that verify these facts)
http://louderwithcrowder.com/vetting-donald-trump-what-you-need-to-know/
– Donald Trump gave over $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. Despite the fact that he openly criticizes the foundation and the Clinton’s lack of transparency regarding it. Now we don’t have the exact numbers, we only know that his contributions number over $100,000 and under $250,000. Also this may be a good time to note that he personally supported Hillary Clinton’s senate campaign. Just had to give you a heads up, you know, because I’m a “RINOz†and all.
– Over the years, he has consistently supported Democrats over Republicans. Since 1990, Trump has given $541,650 to Democrats—more than he gave to Republicans over the same period of time. Kind of odd for someone who claims to be such a gung ho Republican these days, wouldn’t you say?
– In 2008, Donald Trump supported Obama’s campaign. This one is pretty self-explanatory, but here’s a quote from 2011 for good measure. “I was his biggest cheerleader,†“If you go back three years, I’m saying, ‘Do a great job.’ … †“I thought he was a positive person, always,â€
– Trump has switched parties at least five times since the 1980s. Three times since 2001. Trump is a new kind of politician. He’s what the progressives call “party-fluid.â€
– His disgusting abuse of government power/eminent domain. Michelle Malkin has covered this extensively. Here’s the thing, with Trump this isn’t a one-time thing. It’s seemingly an integral part of his business model. In 1997, he even went as far as to use eminent domain to try and evict an elderly widow—so that he could build a limousine parking lot. I hate to play identity politics here but… what a dick.
– Donald Trump, in 2000 supported gun control, abortion, higher taxes and socialized healthcare. Do I… Do I really need to add anything here?
– Donald Trump Stood against Pro-1st amendment Conservatives when facing radical Islam. Yep, Trump even went as far as to slam Pamela Gellar for her cartoon contest in Texas. Now, regardless of whether you think Pam Gellar’s event is tasteless, the woman faced violence from radical Islam. I don’t know a single, self-respecting Conservative who deemed it appropriate to slam her, standing arm-in-arm with angry Islamists. Not one. Unless you count Trump?
– He wants Oprah Winfrey on his ticket. Yes, the same Oprah who supported Obama, called all of his critics out as racist and yes, the same Oprah who said that all racists were white, and that they “all need to die.†Welcome your new VP.
Other things I've mentioned in this thread:
Repeatedly and consistently praises the socialist British, Canadian, and Scottish healthcare systems
Supported Obama's stimulus package, TARP, auto bailouts.
Supports campaign finance reform (There's one I agree with him on)
Wants the government to cap executive pay
Boasts that he often bribed public officials, yet claims to be the one to stop cronyism
Named his liberal pro-partial-birth-abortion sister as a possible Supreme Court Justice nominee
Only stopped donating to Democrats in 2011 at the end of Obama's first term, just as he started talking about running himself.
Was quoted three weeks ago as saying "I'm very capable of changing to anything I want to change to"
Shares Hillary's view that we should "close up the Internet" and specifically bemoaned "foolish people" who would say "Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech".
Wants to deport those suspected of being an illegal immigrant without due process
Tell me again how he's the "real" Republican because he's a crude asshole...
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I see a lot of this as the republicans fault. If they hadn't caved so much to Obama and in the last two elections ran out the same old stiff white guys we wouldn't be in this situation with Trump. He is lord of the douche bags but he is still a better choice the Hilda beast. And maybe somebody so fucked as Trump is would be a good thing, we have got to do something different.
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The problem is that he has changed pretty much all of his positions like the wind so that stupid people will vote for him now that he has an R behind his name. Yesterday was yesterday, man. This is for super sure what he really believes...
The sheer idiocy of believing that Mexicans will pay to build a wall to keep themselves out...let alone the proven ineffectiveness of said walls...and the unconstitutional nature of banning people from entering the country solely because they adhere to a specific religion...all that aside...
In 2012 he criticized Mitt Romney for being too harsh on immigration. But he was probably lying back then and totes speaking off the cuff now that he's frontrunner for the Republican nomination...He also hired illegals to build his golf courses and Trump towers. This is documented fact. He also originally said he would take in Syrian refugees.
Now you tell me which of these policies Trump has stated as his own do you support? (click the link to the right-wing blog, in order to follow other links that verify these facts)
http://louderwithcrowder.com/vetting-donald-trump-what-you-need-to-know/
Other things I've mentioned in this thread:
Repeatedly and consistently praises the socialist British, Canadian, and Scottish healthcare systems
Supported Obama's stimulus package, TARP, auto bailouts.
Supports campaign finance reform (There's one I agree with him on)
Wants the government to cap executive pay
Boasts that he often bribed public officials, yet claims to be the one to stop cronyism
Named his liberal pro-partial-birth-abortion sister as a possible Supreme Court Justice nominee
Only stopped donating to Democrats in 2011 at the end of Obama's first term, just as he started talking about running himself.
Was quoted three weeks ago as saying "I'm very capable of changing to anything I want to change to"
Shares Hillary's view that we should "close up the Internet" and specifically bemoaned "foolish people" who would say "Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech".
Wants to deport those suspected of being an illegal immigrant without due process
Tell me again how he's the "real" Republican because he's a crude asshole...
The Constitution doesn't say we keep the borders open and just let anybody in. There's no prohibition on us denying people for religious reasons or just because they have beards.
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The Constitution doesn't say we keep the borders open and just let anybody in.
(https://i.imgur.com/f7uS0MK.jpg)
There's no prohibition on us denying people for religious reasons or just because they have beards.
Oh.
1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
And for good measure, while not as explicit, the lawyers here can attest that it would oppose the spirit of Article VI's "No religious tests shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" clause. If the founding fathers didn't want it to be a requirement for holding office, they sure as shit didn't want it to be a requirement for entering our borders.
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1st Amendment: For American citizens, not Jafari Moodegiquay who wants to come here.
5th Amendment: For American citizens, not Kajunga Boombadee who wants to come here.
The Constitution protects Americans, not invaders. Thinking otherwise is part of the problem.
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1st Amendment: For American citizens, not Jafari Moodegiquay who wants to come here.
5th Amendment: For American citizens, not Kajunga Boombadee who wants to come here.
The Constitution protects Americans, not invaders. Thinking otherwise is part of the problem.
And all God's children said....
AMEN
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The latest on this clown of a candidate:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/analysis-trump-s-flip-flops-exposed-rivals-still-vow-back-n531616
Donald Trump's rivals and Fox News' debate moderators laid out a clear and factual case on Thursday that the billionaire's policies were unworkable; that he regularly shifted his positions; and that he had engaged in business practices he routinely denounces on the campaign trail.
Trump, in turn, bragged about the size of his penis and promised to force Americans to commit war crimes. Yet, he remains the odds-on favorite to win the Republican nomination.
There's not much more anyone can do but wait for the voters to weigh in on Trump, who has so far thrived while being caught telling blatant lies and making bigoted and misogynist statements that would instantly destroy a different candidate.
It is possible the attacks will reach critical mass before March 15, when wins in Ohio and Florida would likely secure him the nomination, or maybe his fans will see his bullying and obscene retorts as an appealing sign of strength like they have to this point.
But the substance is important, regardless of how Republicans make their decision in upcoming contests, and Trump had a slew of exchanges that objectively had disturbing implications about his honesty, consistency, and competence.
The moderators, trying to block Trump from his usual technique of denying positions he demonstrably had taken before, used videos and slides to confront him with contradictory comments.
One pair of clips showed him saying America "made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place" when asked about Afghanistan, then later saying "I've never said we made a mistake" and denying he ever said otherwise. Another pair of clips showed him saying "you have to" take in Syrian refugees one day, then reverting the stance shortly afterwards because "we have our own problems." Yet another pair of clips showed Trump saying Bush "lied" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program in a debate, then saying shortly afterwards "I don't know if he lied or not."
Trump slipped his way through the obstacle course of obvious flip-flops with a combination of fantastic claims that he either misheard the questions — something he trotted out this week to explain his refusal to disavow the KKK during an interview with CNN — or blithe admissions that he simply changed his mind with the wind.
Confronted by moderator Chris Wallace with a slide showing that his suggestions for cutting the budget fell far short of closing a $554 billion deficit, Trump said it didn't account for his plan to save "hundreds of billions of dollars a year in waste" from "pharmaceutical companies" by negotiating lower drug prices through Medicare.
When Wallace, pointed out that Medicare only spends $78 billion total on drugs per year, making Trump's suggestion ludicrous, the front-runner responded that "I'm not only talking about drugs, I'm talking about other things."
At another point, he was asked by moderator Megyn Kelly why he praised H1B visas for highly skilled workers in a CNBC debate when the immigration plan on his own website said the same visas "decimate" American workers.
"I'm changing. I'm changing," he said. "We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can't do it, we'll get them in."
To be clear, this is Trump's signature issue. He has argued from the first days of his campaign that immigrants are stealing jobs and driving down wages. He put out an entire white paper on the topic. But on Thursday he indicated without any apparent shame that he would go back on a campaign promise as soon as he felt like it.
Or so it seemed. After the debate he released a statement clarifying that he interpreted Kelly's question about "highly skilled immigration" to mean something else and that he still would crack down on H1B visas. Like many of Trump's positions, there are so many confusing statements and walk backs that the "true" position can hardly be said to exist at all.
Trump was just as malleable on another signature issue: Trade.
Marco Rubio pressed him on his use of foreign manufacturers to make his clothing products. Trump routinely attacks other companies by name in his speeches for moving manufacturing overseas, and promises that he will punish them for doing so as president. But when it came to his own brand, he happily admitted that of course he made his products abroad to keep costs down, while vaguely suggesting he might change his ways.
"They devalue their currencies, and they make it impossible for clothing-makers in this country to do clothing in this country," Trump said.
Regarding foreign policy, Trump interrupted Rubio, saying "wrong" over and over as the Florida senator accurately pointed out that Trump had "expressed admiration" for Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.
"Putin said very nice things about me and I said very nicely, wouldn't it be nice if we could get along with Russia," Trump said.
For the candidates struggling to pin Trump down, it continues to be a frustrating slog.
Cruz summed the dynamic up afterwards in an interview with Fox's Bill O'Reilly when he was pressed to answer whether Trump lied. Cruz refused to call him dishonest, but it wasn't exactly a compliment - instead he essentially portrayed Trump as a sociopath.
"I think he can say two opposite things in the course of a minute and believe both of them," Cruz said.
One question Trump had no doubt on: whether he would commit brutal and illegal acts of terror against civilians as president.
Trump was asked about his call to murder terrorist's families and institute torture techniques, war crimes that former CIA Director Michael Hayden recently warned soldiers disobey orders to take part in.
"If I say do it, they're going to do it," Trump said. "That's what leadership is all about."
If voters don't see Trump's political behavior as outside the bounds of normal, though, they aren't getting many signals to the contrary from his opponents. Each person onstage Thursday told the audience they would support him should he win the nomination.
Inb4 "scared libruhl media". I can link to Steven Crowder or Fox News or NBC News and you'll denigrate the source.
So HE doesn't even know where he stands on his one signature issue of keepin' the Mexicans out. He "softened" his position until his handlers told him to flip-flop back to the position that brought him there. FFS, this guy is dumb as dirt.
Also, as for his torture position they talk about in that article. I'm aware this makes me a beta male, but there is a reasoned argument for torture, and it involves intelligence gathering. NOT "even if it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway", and "I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" and "you have to take out their families."
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1st Amendment: For American citizens, not Jafari Moodegiquay who wants to come here.
5th Amendment: For American citizens, not Kajunga Boombadee who wants to come here.
The Constitution protects Americans, not invaders. Thinking otherwise is part of the problem.
Wrong.
The Bill of Rights applies to everyone. Even illegal immigrants, let alone documented legal ones. You think if an undocumented Mexican robs a liquor store he can just be executed? No right to due process, a speedy and public trial, or any of the other rights in the fifth & sixth amendments?
There are rights reserved for citizens, such as the right to vote, hold most federal jobs, and run for political office, but none of those apply to the amendments listed above. And again, while article VI does pertain to those wishing to hold office, it would be pretty obvious to the courts that it would apply to granting citizenship as well.
Again, I'm not advocating the straw man you're trying to build. OBVIOUSLY there are national security concerns when allowing people into our borders, but what God they pray to is not one and goes against the very nature of what this country was founded on.
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The latest on this clown of a candidate:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/analysis-trump-s-flip-flops-exposed-rivals-still-vow-back-n531616
Inb4 "scared libruhl media". I can link to Steven Crowder or Fox News or NBC News and you'll denigrate the source.
So HE doesn't even know where he stands on his one signature issue of keepin' the Mexicans out. He "softened" his position until his handlers told him to flip-flop back to the position that brought him there. FFS, this guy is dumb as dirt.
Also, as for his torture position they talk about in that article. I'm aware this makes me a beta male, but there is a reasoned argument for torture, and it involves intelligence gathering. NOT "even if it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway", and "I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" and "you have to take out their families."
You can't "NB4" your own stuff. You're breaking the rules.
NBC? No thanks. The "fagcock" network is unabashedly liberal. Anything that comes from a place that employs Rachel Maddow is suspect.
NBC News has announced that they will partner with an organization called TargetSmart to “to perform nonpartisan analysis, research voting habits, and identify voting trends at the state and local levels.†The catch is that TargetSmart is a Democratic firm founded by Democratic operatives that exclusively works with Democratic campaigns. Its website boasts that in 2012 it was named the primary vendor of the DNC, “instantly distributing TargetSmart data to nearly every Democratic candidate campaign in America.â€
Yeah. I care what they say. I won't even read it, Chizzyad, because it's going to be clearly biased.
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Wrong.
The Bill of Rights applies to everyone. Even illegal immigrants, let alone documented legal ones. You think if an undocumented Mexican robs a liquor store he can just be executed? No right to due process, a speedy and public trial, or any of the other rights in the fifth & sixth amendments?
There are rights reserved for citizens, such as the right to vote, hold most federal jobs, and run for political office, but none of those apply to the amendments listed above. And again, while article VI does pertain to those wishing to hold office, it would be pretty obvious to the courts that it would apply to granting citizenship as well.
Again, I'm not advocating the straw man you're trying to build. OBVIOUSLY there are national security concerns when allowing people into our borders, but what God they pray to is not one and goes against the very nature of what this country was founded on.
You're picking nits.
If somebody comes here illegally and commits a crime, I personally don't think they deserve anything but deportation but that's not the argument.
I'm talking about preventing them from coming here in the first place. That's not a straw man, that's the argument you yourself made. We can't constitutionally deny people entry because of their religious beliefs, you said.
Exact words, Mr. Trump:
the unconstitutional nature of banning people from entering the country solely because they adhere to a specific religion
People in other countries who try to come here are not constitutionally protected. After they get here, even illegally, they have rights as persons. I also think that sucks the big raw ass and should be stricken from the Constitution, but it's part of it.
The Constitution doesn't give the federal government authority over immigration at all. It only addresses naturalization. States have the right (and duty) to deny immigrants based on whatever criteria they elect.
That's been crossed up some over the years, most notably with the Chinese Exclusion Act that existed for almost 100 years. It's been repealed, but not found to be unconstitutional.
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You can't "NB4" your own stuff. You're breaking the rules.
NBC? No thanks. The "fagcock" network is unabashedly liberal. Anything that comes from a place that employs Rachel Maddow is suspect.
NBC News has announced that they will partner with an organization called TargetSmart to “to perform nonpartisan analysis, research voting habits, and identify voting trends at the state and local levels.†The catch is that TargetSmart is a Democratic firm founded by Democratic operatives that exclusively works with Democratic campaigns. Its website boasts that in 2012 it was named the primary vendor of the DNC, “instantly distributing TargetSmart data to nearly every Democratic candidate campaign in America.â€
Yeah. I care what they say. I won't even read it, Chizzyad, because it's going to be clearly biased.
This type of willful ignorance is prototypical of Trumpkins.
You either don't realize the difference in editorializing and statement of facts, or you are purposely ignoring them. The former certainly would explain why many in this thread have expressed disdain for the "poisoning of minds" by the libruhl media. Most of us are capable of reading factual statements about what occurred on the debate stage, and positions Trump may or may not have taken in the past, backed up with video evidence, and distinguish between that and someone giving their opinion, which the reader is free to agree or disagree with. Somewhere along the line INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS became "lamestream media narrative". This is just bald ignorance.
But here is essentially the same story in acceptable Goodthink Newspeak.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/04/debate-grades-donald-trump-flip-flops-and-flounders-but-will-it-matter/
http://therightscoop.com/another-trump-flip-flop-heres-what-hes-saying-now-about-torturing-terrorists/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/03/trump-softens-h1b-visa-policy-during-gop-debate.html
Or watch it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39LUWR9NG70
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Honestly, this is part of the problem. Stupid people (read CCTAU) can't see what is right in front of them until Fox News or Breitbart or whoever parses it out for them to tell them that black is white and up is down. And then have the lack of self-awareness to tell others they are brainwashed by not EXCLUSIVELY getting their news that way...
Here. This is from "dumbasses R us" reporting. Maybe a dumbass like you can read:
Jeez you are a stupid little prick.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html
Here. I'll pull out the quote for you:
"David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK," Trump added. "Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now."
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This type of willful ignorance is prototypical of Trumpkins.
You either don't realize the difference in editorializing and statement of facts, or you are purposely ignoring them. The former certainly would explain why many in this thread have expressed disdain for the "poisoning of minds" by the libruhl media. Most of us are capable of reading factual statements about what occurred on the debate stage, and positions Trump may or may not have taken in the past, backed up with video evidence, and distinguish between that and someone giving their opinion, which the reader is free to agree or disagree with. Somewhere along the lines INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS because "lamestream media narrative". This is just bald ignorance.
But here is essentially the same story in acceptable Goodthink Newspeak.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/04/debate-grades-donald-trump-flip-flops-and-flounders-but-will-it-matter/
http://therightscoop.com/another-trump-flip-flop-heres-what-hes-saying-now-about-torturing-terrorists/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/03/trump-softens-h1b-visa-policy-during-gop-debate.html
Or watch it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39LUWR9NG70
I'm not saying he hasn't changed positions on various things. I change my mind every day. I'm subject to learning new information that alters what I may have previously thought.
I don't WANT somebody who still has the same ideas he had 40 years ago. Or 20. Or 10.
As for NBC? The bias there is so ingrained that I can't take anything that emanates from there seriously. It may be the most straightforward, honest piece ever written but I'm not going to know it. I don't read their stuff because they've proven themselves to be slanted and I naturally assume anything they produce will be tainted by their intent to drive the narrative.
That's my biggest problem with the media, from al.com on up. No longer is simply reporting the news enough. Who, what, where, when and why has been replaced by a misguided attempt to shape people's perceptions. Inform has been replaced by influence. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. No sir.
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Time to pick a side. I'm with Kaos.
Keep kicking Chizzys ass man. Don't let him back in this! It's Friday. Finish skrong!
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Here. This is from "dumbasses R us" reporting. Maybe a dumbass like you can read:
Jeez you are a stupid little prick.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html
Here. I'll pull out the quote for you:
This was from the interview WHERE HE WAS BEING ASKED WHY HE DIDN'T DISAVOW HIM IN THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW.
Why did it take days of being coached by his handlers before he was able to say "Yeah, I disavow David fucking Duke and the KKK" instead of pretending not to know who Duke is and what KKK stands for. Fuck's sake...
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Your guy is not even a Republican or a conservative. That's why the actual Republian party hates him.
Nope. This statement is about as wrong as it gets on the subject. That's what people like you, the media, and the GOP establishment don't get and I don't see how...
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This was from the interview WHERE HE WAS BEING ASKED WHY HE DIDN'T DISAVOW HIM IN THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW.
Why did it take days of being coached by his handlers before he was able to say "Yeah, I disavow David fucking Duke and the KKK" instead of pretending not to know who Duke is and what KKK stands for. Fuck's sake...
Look dude, the KKK has softened it's stance regarding the gays. Why so much hostility?
You should actually go to a cross burning with CCTAU before being so judgmental about a group you know so little about.
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KKK is irrelevant to me. What is relevant? Trump's stance on the issues, his ability to undo the damage and fix a broken government that hasn't passed legislation to benefit the people is quite some time. The K-STREET-owned GOP hasn't been doing what we elected them to do. It's pretty scary to hear that secret societies control our government and electoral process. I've been scorned for suggesting that, while hoping I was wrong.
Indulge yourselves: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
https://youtu.be/dO-NA73FsW8
And Roy Moore has been bought too.
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Look dude, the KKK has softened it's stance regarding the gays. Why so much hostility?
You should actually go to a cross burning with CCTAU before being so judgmental about a group you know so little about.
Today's klan is a softer gentler klan. They are even involved in environmental activities within the community.
http://newsone.com/3256894/ku-klux-klans-aclu-adopt-a-highway/
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Today's klan is a softer gentler klan. They are even involved in environmental activities within the community.
http://newsone.com/3256894/ku-klux-klans-aclu-adopt-a-highway/
That's right. And they's a comin' out uh they hidey holes to vote fer Trump.
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That's right. And they's a comin' out uh they hidey holes to vote fer Trump.
Hell, even their crosses are made from recycled and ozone friendly material.
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Nope. This statement is about as wrong as it gets on the subject. That's what people like you, the media, and the GOP establishment don't get and I don't see how...
Serious question, are you just ignoring the facts that "the media" and I are telling you or do you really think that gigantic list I posted a few posts back even remotely resembles conservatism? I really don't understand how this is a difficult concept. First of all, you can't nail him down to a stance, as he literally flip flopped on his signature stance TWICE in a matter of hours. But you choose to only see the "really real" positions his handlers tell him he believes, which he's literally too stupid to stay consistent on. You can't all be stupid enough not to clearly see that, so cognitive dissonance is the only explanation.
Explain to me how any of those positions I listed are conservative. I'll wait.
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Serious question, are you just ignoring the facts that "the media" and I are telling you or do you really think that gigantic list I posted a few posts back even remotely resembles conservatism? I really don't understand how this is a difficult concept. First of all, you can't nail him down to a stance, as he literally flip flopped on his signature stance TWICE in a matter of hours. But you choose to only see the "really real" positions his handlers tell him he believes, which he's literally too stupid to stay consistent on. You can't all be stupid enough not to clearly see that, so cognitive dissonance is the only explanation.
Explain to me how any of those positions I listed are conservative. I'll wait.
Deport Chizad. Go Trump!!!!!
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Damn Chizzy. Trump wins Louisiana. Guess they're not listening to you there either.
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Damn Chizzy. Trump wins Louisiana. Guess they're not listening to you there either.
At least Kansas and Maine didn't go full retard.
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I don't want to see Billary in the White House, but at least Bernie Sanders is all but dead. He's a bigger idiot than Trump with his bullshit economic plan.
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I'm not saying he hasn't changed positions on various things. I change my mind every day. I'm subject to learning new information that alters what I may have previously thought.
I don't WANT somebody who still has the same ideas he had 40 years ago. Or 20. Or 10.
One small difference...you aren't running to be the President of the United States, changing your mind/flip flopping on issues that affect the entire Country, that combed over piece of garbage is.
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Watched results on Cavutto last night. Noted conservative Ben Stein (schooled at Yale w Hillary) was a guest and flipflops from his earlier statement to vote for (his friend) Clinton over Trump.
His answer: He said he can't vote for anyone that isn't pro-life.
Wow that Trump sure does cause some soul searching.
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From Louis CK's weekly email. Just about exactly what I've been trying to say in this thread.
P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
Trump is not that. He’s an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who “writes a negative hit piece†about him. He says “I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected.†He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will “pay†for criticizing him. So I’m saying this now because if he gets in there we won’t be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don’t like any of them myself but if you’re that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we’d have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn’t have to vote for someone because they’re not a shocking mommy part billionaire liar.
We should choose based on what direction the country should go.
I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it’s not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying “fuck it. Fuck them allâ€. I really get it. It’s a version of national Suicide. Or it’s like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can’t help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can’t wait to read about Trump every day. It’s a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.
If you are a true conservative. Don’t vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.
In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. “At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger… I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party’s most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.â€
When Trump was told what he said, Trump said “Oh, he did? Well, that’s not nice,†he told CBS News’ chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. “He has to be very careful.â€
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: “He’ll find out.â€
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)
Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.
Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.†Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.
So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works†then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a fucking liar.
A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he’s president, you’re going to regret it. You’re going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That’s how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.
Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.
That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don’t mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete.
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Serious question, are you just ignoring the facts that "the media" and I are telling you or do you really think that gigantic list I posted a few posts back even remotely resembles conservatism? I really don't understand how this is a difficult concept. First of all, you can't nail him down to a stance, as he literally flip flopped on his signature stance TWICE in a matter of hours. But you choose to only see the "really real" positions his handlers tell him he believes, which he's literally too stupid to stay consistent on. You can't all be stupid enough not to clearly see that, so cognitive dissonance is the only explanation.
Explain to me how any of those positions I listed are conservative. I'll wait.
Serious answer: You are right. I have never said you were wrong when it comes to the issues. What I said was that you don't get why people are voting for him. It has NOTHING to do with him being a conservative or a moderate or whatever.
People are voting for Trump because he is not a republican OR democrat. He is Trump. He doesn't give a shit about what people think.
Right now, BOTH parties are weak and there is very little difference between either party. Washington changes whoever gets elected. Until Washington is completed changed, it will continue to be like that. Trump is a vote for that change. THAT is why people are voting for him. Not because of what you keep arguing about...
For the record, I voted for Kasich because I like his policies and think he can actually go in and work with both sides.
But I will vote R in November. There is NO WAY I would vote for Hillary.
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You don't see a contradiction between this:
It has NOTHING to do with him being a conservative or a moderate or whatever.
People are voting for Trump because he is not a republican OR democrat. He is Trump. He doesn't give a shit about what people think.
And this?
But I will vote R in November. There is NO WAY I would vote for Hillary.
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I hate the president Gawker is setting here. I think Gawker is journalistic scum.
That said, they have apparently exposed that Trump is in the pocket of libruhl lamestream media, i.e. MSNBC.
http://gaw.kr/5lUsvzv
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Somebody needs to let me know what Eddie Murphy thinks. We got the esteemed economist Louis CK on record. We need to know where Murphy and Jim Belushi stand. And what about Melissa McCarthy?
Don't hand me shit from CK. I don't care what any comedian from Jim Carey to Colbert to that British snob to the black news guy on SNL has to say.
The more these people talk the more I'm inclined to vote for Trump.
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You don't see a contradiction between this:
And this?
He is running on the republican ticket though. So there are three options: 1. Vote republican. B. Vote democrat. Or 3. Waste a vote voting someone not in these two parties because they don't have a chance.
There is no way in hell I would vote for Hillary or Bernie. And I don't want to waste a vote because that would allow them to possibly get elected. So I am stuck voting republican.
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He is running on the republican ticket though. So there are three options: 1. Vote republican. B. Vote democrat. Or 3. Waste a vote voting someone not in these two parties because they don't have a chance.
There is no way in hell I would vote for Hillary or Bernie. And I don't want to waste a vote because that would allow them to possibly get elected. So I am stuck voting republican.
And again, I say just because he had an R after his name (to the dismay of the actual Republican Party) doesn't mean he's actually an R or conservative at all…Hillary is more of a conservative and more of a neocon than Trump is. And less of an idiot.
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And again, I say just because he had an R after his name (to the dismay of the actual Republican Party) doesn't mean he's actually an R or conservative at all…Hillary is more of a conservative and more of a neocon than Trump is. And less of an idiot.
Strongly disagree. Hillary is a bigger idiot. And a bigger danger.
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Strongly disagree. Hillary is a bigger idiot. And a bigger danger.
Seconded.
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Seconded.
I'll chuck in a third.
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Somebody needs to let me know what Eddie Murphy thinks. We got the esteemed economist Louis CK on record. We need to know where Murphy and Jim Belushi stand. And what about Melissa McCarthy?
Don't hand me shit from CK. I don't care what any comedian from Jim Carey to Colbert to that British snob to the black news guy on SNL has to say.
The more these people talk the more I'm inclined to vote for Trump.
It's sad that comedians speak the truth rather than the media. Lewis Black, Bill Maher, John Stewart, George Carlin, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert...are ones that I'd listen to over any media outlet.
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It's sad that comedians speak the truth rather than the media. Lewis Black, Bill Maher, John Stewart, George Carlin, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert...are ones that I'd listen to over any media outlet.
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Part of the problem, not the solution.
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One small difference...you aren't running to be the President of the United States, changing your mind/flip flopping on issues that affect the entire Country, that combed over piece of garbage is.
So whoever is running for president must have made up their minds about every issue by age 21? 25? 30?
Once made up, no new information, no cogent argument, no change in the economy or no hindsight is allowed to change that opinion. It must be set in stone forever.
Pfash.
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So whoever is running for president must have made up their minds about every issue by age 21? 25? 30?
Once made up, no new information, no cogent argument, no change in the economy or no hindsight is allowed to change that opinion. It must be set in stone forever.
Pfash.
I like it. Gonna' have to find some way to work that in to casual conversation.
I would like to briefly interrupt this stimulating debate to say that one of the classiest and most beautiful First Ladies this country has ever known, passed away today. Nancy Reagan dies at 94.
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I'll chuck in a third.
Fourthted.
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Part of the problem, not the solution.
We have been talking about this for years. The idiots get their political information from comedians. And then they prove their idiocy by quoting them!
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So whoever is running for president must have made up their minds about every issue by age 21? 25? 30?
Once made up, no new information, no cogent argument, no change in the economy or no hindsight is allowed to change that opinion. It must be set in stone forever.
Pfash.
Hillary has changed positions over the years (https://www.gop.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-hillarys-flip-flops/), yet I'm sure you don't considered that an informed evolution.
Trump flip flops because he literally doesn't have the intelligence to stay consistent with what his handlers tell him his positions are.
And flips back and forth and back again.
Huge difference.
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Hillary has changed positions over the years (https://www.gop.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-hillarys-flip-flops/), yet I'm sure you don't considered that an informed evolution.
Trump flip flops because he literally doesn't have the intelligence to stay consistent with what his handlers tell him his positions are.
And hegira back and forth and back again.
Huge difference.
That bitch had American soldiers killed for self preservation. End of story.
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Hillary has changed positions over the years (https://www.gop.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-hillarys-flip-flops/), yet I'm sure you don't considered that an informed evolution.
Trump flip flops because he literally doesn't have the intelligence to stay consistent with what his handlers tell him his positions are.
And flips back and forth and back again.
Huge difference.
And you know this how?
Because Whoopi Goldberg said so?
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What if I told you Trump was already running 3rd party - but within the Republican Party?
Would you say brilliant?
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What if I told you Trump was already running 3rd party - but within the Republican Party?
Would you say brilliant?
Turns out Christopher Nolan is his campaign manager.
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And you know this how?
Because Whoopi Goldberg said so?
You're getting a lot of mileage out of me sharing the Louis CK email.
He never claims to be a political scholar, nor do I, and nor are you. In fact he explicitly and humbly says in the message.
That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself.
I'm not filtering my thoughts and beliefs through him, and he wouldn't want that anyway. I merely passed along his thoughts on the matter, because I think he fucking crushed it and articulated many of the things I've attempted to in this thread. Treat it as if he was just another poster on this board, except I do believe, despite what he would say, that he's more informed, insightful, and intelligent on this particular subject than at least 50% of the participants in this thread...
Anyway, to start over and answer your question:
And you know this how?
Because Whoopi Goldberg said so?
I know this because I can read and watch events as they take place and I don't have to filter them through Louis CK or Breitbart.com or InfoWars or anyone else. I can watch what transpires in the debates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwxCTKhhDUA
I can understand that a candidate saying that visas for highly skilled workers would "decimate American workers" (the closest thing you can actually nail him down as conservative on), then turning around at a debate speaking enthusiastically in favor of them, then doubling down when confronted with that hypocrisy and even MORE emphatically supporting them, spouting how "evolved" it is for him to change on the position that Kaos is parroting now. So for those couple of days he was in favor of H1B Visas? Did some libruhl take over his brain for those couple of days, and that wasn't the real him? Or was it? Is he liberal on that position or not? Apparently not, because MINUTES after the debate was OVER his campaing managers (sorry he, LOL) sent out an email blast and posted this to his website:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-position-on-visas
DONALD J. TRUMP POSITION ON VISAS
"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."
So now he's back to stoppin the Mex'cans? Since that's the main position he took that idiots are lapping up?
How do you explain that "rapid evolution" any other way?
We're not talking "Oh, in the 80s I thought gun control was a good idea, but over the years I've come to realize that prohibition never works blah blah"
We're talking decades of soft immigration stances, run for president and suddenly he's brass-balls-tough on it, then suddenly come out strongly in favor of guest worker visas, get called out on it, double down, and then cower back into the corner of "GET 'IM OUT & BUILD A WALL!"
You know good and goddamn well this is RECORD level flip-flopping the likes of which make Hillary and John Kerry look downright principled. You have to know it. Yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
And it's not like this is the only major issue he's flip flopped on either. He was staunchly pro-choice strangely until he "evolved" the second he started in a Republican primary. He was vocal about instituting gun control, specifically an assault weapons ban, until he walked into that magical GOP primary portal. And a bevy of other stances I've mentioned over and over.
But it's not even just those "evolutions". We're talking about DURING the couple of months he's been running for the Republican nomination.
Up until last week he was talking about murdering ISIS's families and committing torture "much worse than waterboarding" because "they deserve worse" until someone obviously told him that oh yeah that those are clear-cut war crimes. Magically, Friday night he reversed those too. (http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-reverses-his-stance-on-torture-1457116559?tesla=y)
In September he told Fox News he would accept Syrian Refugees. "I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to. It’s living in hell in Syria. There’s no question about it. They’re living in hell, and something has to be done." (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-syrian-refugees-213430#ixzz41u30eCx2) But that wasn't consistent enough with his butch badass "most militaristic" persona that is getting votes, so less than a month later he was back on Fox telling them "I tell you, if they come into this country, they’re going out. If I win, they’re going out. We can’t take a chance." (http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/11/18/trump-syria-refugees-could-be-ultimate-trojan-horse/) and then by the third month he's all the way up to "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" even beyond the refugees. (http://time.com/4139476/donald-trump-shutdown-muslim-immigration/)
You guys CHOOSE to believe the positions you jive with. You completely ignore where he clearly and emphatically stated otherwise. Sometimes the conservative position is what he's currently spouting, sometimes it's what he previously spouted and has since "softened" on. In either case, you stick with the one you like and choose to believe that.
You're being conned. It's sad you can't see it. Sane people can see it clearly.
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I guess he's still softening that immigration position by the way. Does it count as softening if it has been going on for decades?
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-07/trump-tower-financed-by-rich-chinese-who-invest-cash-for-visas
Trump Tower Funded by Rich Chinese Who Invest Cash for Visas
Cliffs: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272010-report-trump-branded-tower-partially-funded-by-chinese
Donald Trump, the real estate developer-turned Republican presidential front-runner, has his name on a Trump-branded tower in New Jersey partially funded by Chinese investors who pay money for immigrant visas, according to a new report.
Bloomberg reports that a "Sopranos"-themed video with Chinese subtitles was used to attract the investors through a controversial immigrant visa program for the building, which bears the name of Trump, who has strongly criticized China throughout his presidential campaign for taking away jobs and money from the U.S.
The EB-5 visa program, which provides mostly Chinese nationals a two-year visa and chance at residency for those investing at least $500,000 in a project aimed at creating jobs, has been of concern to critics who characterize it as the U.S. selling visas to those without proven skills.
Bloomberg quoted the U.S. Immigration Fund, which said the Trump Bay Street luxury rental apartment building raised $50 million, roughly a quarter of its overall funding, from loans through the EB-5 program, mostly from Chinese investors.
"This was a highly successful license deal, but he is not a partner in the financing of the development," a Trump spokesperson told Bloomberg.
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You're getting a lot of mileage out of me sharing the Louis CK email.
He never claims to be a political scholar, nor do I, and nor are you. In fact he explicitly and humbly says in the message.
I'm not filtering my thoughts and beliefs through him, and he wouldn't want that anyway. I merely passed along his thoughts on the matter, because I think he fucking crushed it and articulated many of the things I've attempted to in this thread. Treat it as if he was just another poster on this board, except I do believe, despite what he would say, that he's more informed, insightful, and intelligent on this particular subject than at least 50% of the participants in this thread...
Anyway, to start over and answer your question:
I know this because I can read and watch events as they take place and I don't have to filter them through Louis CK or Breitbart.com or InfoWars or anyone else. I can watch what transpires in the debates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwxCTKhhDUA
I can understand that a candidate saying that visas for highly skilled workers would "decimate American workers" (the closest thing you can actually nail him down as conservative on), then turning around at a debate speaking enthusiastically in favor of them, then doubling down when confronted with that hypocrisy and even MORE emphatically supporting them, spouting how "evolved" it is for him to change on the position that Kaos is parroting now. So for those couple of days he was in favor of H1B Visas? Did some libruhl take over his brain for those couple of days, and that wasn't the real him? Or was it? Is he liberal on that position or not? Apparently not, because MINUTES after the debate was OVER his campaing managers (sorry he, LOL) sent out an email blast and posted this to his website:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-position-on-visas
So now he's back to stoppin the Mex'cans? Since that's the main position he took that idiots are lapping up?
How do you explain that "rapid evolution" any other way?
We're not talking "Oh, in the 80s I thought gun control was a good idea, but over the years I've come to realize that prohibition never works blah blah"
We're talking decades of soft immigration stances, run for president and suddenly he's brass-balls-tough on it, then suddenly come out strongly in favor of guest worker visas, get called out on it, double down, and then cower back into the corner of "GET 'IM OUT & BUILD A WALL!"
You know good and goddamn well this is RECORD level flip-flopping the likes of which make Hillary and John Kerry look downright principled. You have to know it. Yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
And it's not like this is the only major issue he's flip flopped on either. He was staunchly pro-choice strangely until he "evolved" the second he started in a Republican primary. He was vocal about instituting gun control, specifically an assault weapons ban, until he walked into that magical GOP primary portal. And a bevy of other stances I've mentioned over and over.
But it's not even just those "evolutions". We're talking about DURING the couple of months he's been running for the Republican nomination.
Up until last week he was talking about murdering ISIS's families and committing torture "much worse than waterboarding" because "they deserve worse" until someone obviously told him that oh yeah that those are clear-cut war crimes. Magically, Friday night he reversed those too. (http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-reverses-his-stance-on-torture-1457116559?tesla=y)
In September he told Fox News he would accept Syrian Refugees. "I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to. It’s living in hell in Syria. There’s no question about it. They’re living in hell, and something has to be done." (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-syrian-refugees-213430#ixzz41u30eCx2) But that wasn't consistent enough with his butch badass "most militaristic" persona that is getting votes, so less than a month later he was back on Fox telling them "I tell you, if they come into this country, they’re going out. If I win, they’re going out. We can’t take a chance." (http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/11/18/trump-syria-refugees-could-be-ultimate-trojan-horse/) and then by the third month he's all the way up to "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" even beyond the refugees. (http://time.com/4139476/donald-trump-shutdown-muslim-immigration/)
You guys CHOOSE to believe the positions you jive with. You completely ignore where he clearly and emphatically stated otherwise. Sometimes the conservative position is what he's currently spouting, sometimes it's what he previously spouted and has since "softened" on. In either case, you stick with the one you like and choose to believe that.
You're being conned. It's sad you can't see it. Sane people can see it clearly.
I'm thinking Kaos is standing over there with his fingers in his ears, eyes shut & continuously saying la-la-la-la-la. He wants Trump in office, regardless of the fact that he would be an absolute disaster, especially in talks with other Nuclear Countries.
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I have some experience with the EB-5 program. It's not intended for the sole use of the Chinese, but they are the most extensive users of the program.
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So the The EB-5 visa program is available and LEGAL, and you think a businessman should not use it, even if it is profitable for him?
I bet you blame the economic collapse on those greedy wall street types too.
If he just does this:
"GET 'IM OUT & BUILD A WALL!"
I'll be happy. It will be a helluva lot more than any other conservative (or DC type) has done in a long time!
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So the The EB-5 visa program is available and LEGAL, and you think a businessman should not use it, even if it is profitable for him?
His interests as a businessman have nothing at all to do with his presidential platform.
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His interests as a businessman have nothing at all to do with his presidential platform.
Then why is it being pointed out that he used the EB-5 program!
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Then why is it being pointed out that he used the EB-5 program!
His reasons for utilizing the program are immaterial....it's the 180 swing (absent an articulate repudiation of the program) that opens him up to criticism.
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His reasons for utilizing the program are immaterial....it's the 180 swing (absent an articulate repudiation of the program) that opens him up to criticism.
But I thought we were talking about the H1B program?
And then somebody brought in the EB5 program.
Can you people get your hate straight!
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But I thought we were talking about the H1B program?
And then somebody brought in the EB5 program.
Can you people get your hate straight!
I only chimed in when I read about the EB-5 utilization. I'm trying to stay out of this shit show, because Chad is mostly right about the Trump supporters.
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I only chimed in when I read about the EB-5 utilization. I'm trying to stay out of this shit show, because Chad is mostly right about the Trump supporters.
That they're obtuse as a motherfucker and no amount of facts, statistics, history, civics, reason, logic, or common sense can penetrate their skulls enough to see the forest for the trees, and any such efforts to present them is an exercise in futility and a waste of time?
Yeah, you're right.
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But I thought we were talking about the H1B program?
And then somebody brought in the EB5 program.
Can you people get your hate straight!
I'm sorry your brain is confused. He has flipped positions on both, multiple times. And about 2,000 other things.
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That they're obtuse as a motherfucker and no amount of facts, statistics, history, civics, reason, logic, or common sense can penetrate their skulls enough to see the forest for the trees, and any such efforts to present them is an exercise in futility and a waste of time?
Yeah, you're right.
You only have guesses as to whether or not Trump can be successful as the president. There is no track record of governing. Yes there are things that let us know he is not a far right winger. But his appeal to many on the right and the middle cannot be denied. If Cruz can beat him, I'm good with Cruz. But Cruz does not have the where with all to get things done. (and this is from his track record).
So the ignorant working class American is going with Trump. They will probably cling to God, guns, and country too.
We shall see how it shakes out. I will go about my daily business without getting angry about Trump, or Cruz, or Rubio.
But I do not see the end of the world in Trump as I do in hitlary!
I am voting on the right no matter what.
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OMG! WILL HE DISAVOW!
WILL HE DISAVOW.
OMG. HID DADDY KNEW A GUY LIKE THAT. HE MUST BE ONE.
IS HE GONNA DISAVOW....
https://www.ncscooper.com/nambla-endorses-ted-cruz/
Probably a joke. But you get the gist!
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You only have guesses as to whether or not Trump can be successful as the president. There is no track record of governing.
Again, I say this applies to William Hung, Honey Boo-Boo's Mama June, and the guy with Downs who cleans the jizz out of nudie booth down the street. I'm not voting for them for president either.
So the ignorant working class American is going with Trump.
That's...what I'm saying...You seem to be ok with considering yourself pridefully among the ignorant.
I am voting on the right no matter what.
Not if you're voting for Trump you're not. As someone who likes to throw around the term RINO, it has never been more applicable to anyone in history than Donald J Trump. Depending on where he currently stands on his "Fuck Mex'cans!" stance, that is.
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OMG! WILL HE DISAVOW!
WILL HE DISAVOW.
OMG. HID DADDY KNEW A GUY LIKE THAT. HE MUST BE ONE.
IS HE GONNA DISAVOW....
https://www.ncscooper.com/nambla-endorses-ted-cruz/
Probably a joke. But you get the gist!
Certainly a joke.
If he is sane, and CNN asks him if he welcomes the endorsement or not, I'm willing to bet he unequivocally expresses that he does not.
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That they're obtuse as a motherfucker and no amount of facts, statistics, history, civics, reason, logic, or common sense can penetrate their skulls enough to see the forest for the trees, and any such efforts to present them is an exercise in futility and a waste of time?
Yeah, you're right.
And those who support Trump -- even casually -- feel those same hateful characteristics apply to you as well.
That's the problem. Someone disagrees with you for reasons they deem quite valid and you characterize them as:
Obtuse
Lacking common sense
Incapable of looking at information and forming their own opinion based on those facts
Thick skulled
This, Chizad... This "if you don't agree with me you're a moron" attitude on display by both you and others is the explicit reason why millions of people are flocking to him.
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And those who support Trump -- even casually -- feel those same hateful characteristics apply to you as well.
That's the problem. Someone disagrees with you for reasons they deem quite valid and you characterize them as:
Obtuse
Lacking common sense
Incapable of looking at information and forming their own opinion based on those facts
Thick skulled
This, Chizad... This "if you don't agree with me you're a moron" attitude on display by both you and others is the explicit reason why millions of people are flocking to him.
If you try to tell me Trump is a conservative, despite those FACTS I listed, or if you try to tell me he didn't really flip-flop, and has simply come to some "evolution", I will say unequivacolly that you are:
Obtuse
Lacking common sense
Incapable of looking at information and forming their own opinion based on those facts
Thick skulled
We can disagree on things like how to balance the budget, or how to handle ISIS.
It's when you refuse to acknowledge incontrovertible facts that those things apply.
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If you try to tell me Trump is a conservative, despite those FACTS I listed, or if you try to tell me he didn't really flip-flop, and has simply come to some "evolution", I will say unequivacolly that you are:
Obtuse
Lacking common sense
Incapable of looking at information and forming their own opinion based on those facts
Thick skulled
We can disagree on things like how to balance the budget, or how to handle ISIS.
It's when you refuse to acknowledge incontrovertible facts that those things apply.
You can't argue with The Brown Shirts.
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If you try to tell me Trump is a conservative, despite those FACTS I listed, or if you try to tell me he didn't really flip-flop, and has simply come to some "evolution", I will say unequivacolly that you are:
Obtuse
Lacking common sense
Incapable of looking at information and forming their own opinion based on those facts
Thick skulled
We can disagree on things like how to balance the budget, or how to handle ISIS.
It's when you refuse to acknowledge incontrovertible facts that those things apply.
What I'm telling you is I don't care. They all flip flop. They all say what's politically expedient at the moment. I don't care if he's a "conservative" based on what somebody defined as one.
I'm not even necessarily FOR Trump. I'm against Hillary. Period. I believe she is the antichrist. I would vote for Dirk Diggler against her. I would vote for Obama again over her. I'd vote for the piggly wiggly pig over her. For Barney the dinosaur. For clay Aiken. For a bag of frozen okra. For a knot in a tree. For subway Jared. For a box of turnips. For a patch of pubic hair shaved off of Precious. For a can of Michelob Ultra. For a red tailed hornet. For the New Orleans Saints.
That's the reality. There is no alternative I would reject if the other option is Hillary. None.
The other thing you are missing? Your rhetoric toward Trump and those who support him is what spawned him to begin with.
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That's the problem. Someone disagrees with you for reasons they deem quite valid and you characterize them as:
Obtuse
Lacking common sense
Incapable of looking at information and forming their own opinion based on those facts
Thick skulled
This, Chizad... This "if you don't agree with me you're a moron" attitude on display by both you and others is the explicit reason why millions of people are flocking to him.
Irony explosion.
You realize this is your patented MO, right?
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Irony explosion.
You realize this is your patented MO, right?
I changed my mind recently. I no longer do this. Haven't for years. Don't recall that I did. In fact I plan to sue you for bringing it up. And no. I won't release the tapes. My fingers are excellent.
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I changed my mind recently. I no longer do this. Haven't for years. Don't recall that I did. In fact I plan to sue you for bringing it up. And no. I won't release the tapes. My fingers are excellent.
As long as you can acknowledge the absurdity.
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As long as you can acknowledge the absurdity.
I don't see any. Haven't taken that mode of attack since the Chopper days.
I have been motivated to run for office in some form or fashion. I will not campaign. Will just hope people pick my name when they are going uhhhhh.... I never heard of any of these guys.
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I don't see any. Haven't taken that mode of attack since the Chopper days.
I have been motivated to run for office in some form or fashion. I will not campaign. Will just hope people pick my name when they are going uhhhhh.... I never heard of any of these guys.
Or you can just get a group of people to pledge their allegiance to you, while resembling another group of people...
(http://winningdemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trumpRallyOrlando-300x225.jpg)
(http://winningdemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hitlerRally-300x199.jpg)
Oh, fyi...Donald Trump keeps this book in his nightstand (per a 1990 interview with Ivana Trump).
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100% with K in this one. And he speaks the troof. His temperament in any "debate" has done more of a 180 recently than Trump on the issues. He's absolutely right in saying the torch has been passed to the new King of "Agree with me or you're a moron". Even our resident racist has pretty much kept his collective cool in the face of being hit with a barrage of personal insults.
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The anti-Trump faction have stated their views on the lack of trust they have in him; from his character to his waffling on some issues. What I've yet to read - other than AUchizad's take - is their opinion on the other option. Barring some 4th quarter hail mary by either Cruz or the bumbling senile communist, it's coming down to either a vote for Trump or a vote for Hillary. I'm not a Trump guy, but I damn sure am not a Hillary person either. There is not a candidate in the race who flip flops on the issues or panders to an audience more than Hillary. This woman is pure fucking evil - there's no other way to describe her. She is rotten to the core and the absolute last thing this country needs following the nightmare of the past 8 years. You guys say Trump isn't it, tell me what other option we the people have when November rolls around. Hillary damn sure isn't it.
This election is nothing more than a bloodless coup d'etat against the establishment. The flood to Trump is the voters way of hitting the reset button. The GOP and the democrats did this to themselves. The people are sick of their shit and if it takes electing Trump to get their point across to these elitist pricks in Washington, then so be it. It's obviously a risk they're willing to take.
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Obtuse
Lacking common sense
Incapable of looking at information and forming their own opinion based on those facts
Thick skulled
I don't mind you saying all of these things about me. They have been said about WT before.
But, to be fair and honest, when speaking of me, you should add the disclaimer: "But he has a HUGE DICK!"....as you well know.
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That they're obtuse as a motherfucker and no amount of facts, statistics, history, civics, reason, logic, or common sense can penetrate their skulls enough to see the forest for the trees, and any such efforts to present them is an exercise in futility and a waste of time?
Yeah, you're right.
Obtuse?
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Obtuse?
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You catching my drift?
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100% with K in this one. And he speaks the troof. His temperament in any "debate" has done more of a 180 recently than Trump on the issues. He's absolutely right in saying the torch has been passed to the new King of "Agree with me or you're a moron". Even our resident racist has pretty much kept his collective cool in the face of being hit with a barrage of personal insults.
Look, you'll be hard pressed to find someone who can politically find more common ground with Rightwing Redneck McDipshit and Hippy Dippy Lefty McPussy. I'm a centrist and a Libertarian. Many issues, such as abortion, climate change, the death penalty, war...really just about anything...I see as more nuanced than most people's stark black and white, especially in these message boards. I don't have strong personal stances on any of those things, because frankly I think both sides have reasoned legitimate arguments. I may come down more on one side than the other on them at the end of the day, but I don't think anyone is an idiot or monster or uninformed if they take the opposite opinion. I at least try to understand the opposition's argument, which is more than most of you can say, for sure.
Like Louis said in his email, this isn't about simple disagreement on the issues. This is watching Lennie from Of Mice & Men drool & shit on himself and having people tell me he'd be a great leader of the free world, and is really a genius, he just is keeping it close to the vest. People are telling me that his business acumen means he'd know how to run the country, yet I know that Trump Casinos & Entertainment Resorts, Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump Ice Bottled Water, Trump Airlines, Trump: The Game, Trump Magazine, GoTrump.com, Trump Mortgage, The New Jersey Generals, and Trump University were all ABJECT FAILURES. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/12-donald-trump-businesses-that-no-longer-exist-204923129.html) I know that if he had done NOTHING with his inheritance but invest in the stock market, he would have been worth $10 Billion MORE than he is now. (http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/)
I'm having to site my sources, which I know you'll ignore, because you think I'm making this shit up. Or the libruhl scurred media is. These are documented, incontrovertible FACTS, and you're telling me it's all some fabricated slander to take the hero down.
You're also telling me you'll still vote for him because he'll have an R after his name, even though every prominent person in power who PUTS that R behind his name has loudly, vehemently stated that you shouldn't. And yet some of you make THEM the villain for pointing out the litany of contradictions, wild flip-flopping back and forth and back again, and just flat out un-American, unconstitutional, and/or leftist authoritarian positions he's taken OR STILL TAKES. And you don't care, because you're letting the R behind his name blind you and think for you.
And back to the whole "Lenny from Of Mice and Men" thing. HE is very clearly stupid. HE very clearly doesn't know a goddamn thing he's talking about any time he's up on stage. He can't lay out any specifics about anything, because he is dumber than a bag of rocks. All he can say up there is "lines around the states", call people pussies, say they got schlonged, make poop & pee jokes, say Megyn Kelly's bleeding out of her "wherever", saying he'd bomb the shit out of ISIS, talk about how big his dick is, and on and on and on. Oh and keep the brown people out. Unless he doesn't. Or maybe he does. But now he doesn't...whoops now he does.
And all of the above is stupid. It is ignorant. Only stupid people fall for obvious cons. There is no other way to say it. I'm sorry.
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We're screwed regardless of who is elected. See youtube: George Carlin American Dream
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You're also telling me you'll still vote for him because he'll have an R after his name,
I thought K was clear that the reason he would vote for him is that he doesn't have a "Clinton" in his name, regardless of an R or a D.
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I know that if he had done NOTHING with his inheritance but invest in the stock market, he would have been worth $10 Billion MORE than he is now. (http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/)
Don't you see, though, that this willingness to take risk, to do something as goofy as Trump Iced Bottled Water, is what builds America?
We don't want people who play it safe and sit on the sidelines. We want people who are willing to put their junk on the trunk and see if they can make it work. I've got more respect for somebody who tries and fails than somebody who takes no gambles at all.
It's easy to say stuff like that in hindsight. I can look back now and see how much more money I would have had if I had bought that Apple stock I almost bought in 1996. Instead I put that money into more inventory for my store where I made a small profit.
But what if Trump Ice Sno-Cone Tepees had taken off like the projections (on paper) suggested it might? What if that had blown up into a national brand and he sold it to TGIFriday for $15 katrillion? You don't know until you try.
Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. When you win, you don't sit on it you try to win more. When you lose, you pick yourself up and get right back into the game. It's the American entrepreneurial spirit. He's clearly done more right than wrong or his net worth wouldn't have grown.
I know what Donald Trump is. I'm not expecting him to be Reagan. Fact of the matter is I don't trust any of them. Hillary is a lying, power-mad bitch with a heart of black glass and no conscience. Bernie Sanders is a delusional socialist, a relic from the hippie era who probably wears tie-dyed t-shirts and birkenstocks at home. Rubio is a wet-behind-the-ears gasbag who is less interested in actually doing the work of governing as he is climbing the ladder. Cruz is a smarmy sanctimonious pudge who in his heart of hearts believes he's morally and ethically superior to his opposition, yes, but to you as well. I would not choose any of them, Trump included, if I were leading the presidential search firm. Kasich -- after seeing him twice in debates -- is probably the best equipped of all to govern, but people won't vote for him 1) because the media essentially ignores him and unless you watch the debates you have no idea who he is and 2) He always looks like he just woke up from a long nap.
But that's what we have.
I know exactly who Trump is. And if it comes down to him or Hillary? There's no hesitation for me at all. There is noting you could ever say or do to make me vote for her.
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I thought K was clear that the reason he would vote for him is that he doesn't have a "Clinton" in his name, regardless of an R or a D.
Well, he didn't provide a link.
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I know what Donald Trump is. I'm not expecting him to be Reagan. Fact of the matter is I don't trust any of them. Hillary is a lying, power-mad bitch with a heart of black glass and no conscience. Bernie Sanders is a delusional socialist, a relic from the hippie era who probably wears tie-dyed t-shirts and birkenstocks at home. Rubio is a wet-behind-the-ears gasbag who is less interested in actually doing the work of governing as he is climbing the ladder. Cruz is a smarmy sanctimonious pudge who in his heart of hearts believes he's morally and ethically superior to his opposition, yes, but to you as well. I would not choose any of them, Trump included, if I were leading the presidential search firm. Kasich -- after seeing him twice in debates -- is probably the best equipped of all to govern, but people won't vote for him 1) because the media essentially ignores him and unless you watch the debates you have no idea who he is and 2) He always looks like he just woke up from a long nap.
But that's what we have.
I know exactly who Trump is. And if it comes down to him or Hillary? There's no hesitation for me at all. There is noting you could ever say or do to make me vote for her.
But. But. he's not conservative enough.
He likes money. I like money. He wants America to make money. For America to make money, we have to shut down one of the teets, lower the corporate tax rate and make America the place everyone wants to do business.
he has ideas about how to do this. For the things he cannot figure out, he'll hire people who can.
I'm willing to give him 4 years to put America on the road to economic recovery. If he does not, then we are no worse off than what we have now.
Now put Cruz or Rubio in the same position. Do any of us think they have clue how to get things done? There really is no track record of success there. I like Cruz, but the people are tired of anything that has been associated with government already.
It's time to shake it up. And there is NOTHING you can claim that will be the truth in how he will govern. There is nothing to go on. Just speculation.
We know what the rest have done. And it has not been much of anything good.
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But. But. he's not conservative enough.
He likes money. I like money. He wants America to make money. For America to make money, we have to shut down one of the teets, lower the corporate tax rate and make America the place everyone wants to do business.
he has ideas about how to do this. For the things he cannot figure out, he'll hire people who can.
I'm willing to give him 4 years to put America on the road to economic recovery. If he does not, then we are no worse off than what we have now.
Now put Cruz or Rubio in the same position. Do any of us think they have clue how to get things done? There really is no track record of success there. I like Cruz, but the people are tired of anything that has been associated with government already.
It's time to shake it up. And there is NOTHING you can claim that will be the truth in how he will govern. There is nothing to go on. Just speculation.
We know what the rest have done. And it has not been much of anything good.
And just not the White house, all of it.
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But. But. he's not conservative enough.
He likes money. I like money. He wants America to make money. For America to make money, we have to shut down one of the teets, lower the corporate tax rate and make America the place everyone wants to do business.
he has ideas about how to do this. For the things he cannot figure out, he'll hire people who can.
I'm willing to give him 4 years to put America on the road to economic recovery. If he does not, then we are no worse off than what we have now.
Now put Cruz or Rubio in the same position. Do any of us think they have clue how to get things done? There really is no track record of success there. I like Cruz, but the people are tired of anything that has been associated with government already.
It's time to shake it up. And there is NOTHING you can claim that will be the truth in how he will govern. There is nothing to go on. Just speculation.
We know what the rest have done. And it has not been much of anything good.
You're just a big stupid head.
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You're just a big stupid head.
It hasn't worked well for outsiders. And Trump is like no outsider we have ever known.
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It hasn't worked well for outsiders. And Trump is like no outsider we have ever known.
Herbert Hoover was an outsider. That went great...
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Herbert Hoover was an outsider. That went great...
So we are gonna get a dam named Trump?
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Herbert Hoover was an outsider. That went great...
So was Reagan. That worked out pretty well.
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I'm GAY and proud.
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So was Reagan. That worked out pretty well.
Reagan was also Governor of California beforehand and a huge supporter of the conservative Goldwater campaign in the 60s. That's not quite comparable to Trump's past..
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Reagan was also Governor of California beforehand and a huge supporter of the conservative Goldwater campaign in the 60s. That's not quite comparable to Trump's past..
Trump was emperor of Trumperica, mayor of Trumpville and ambassador to Trumpcuador.
So yes.
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Trump was emperor of Trumperica, mayor of Trumpville and ambassador to Trumpcuador.
So yes.
Hoover was also a successful businessman, and due to this, people thought he would be great to fix the economy. Little did they know, the tariffs he enforced on imported goods would hurt the economy, much like trump's would. Hoover had no idea how economics worked as a successful businessman. In fact, Hoover led to the socialization of the US. The Trump thing has happened before, we just have to look back in the history books.
It's going to be a YUUUGE mistake to nominate this man.
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Hoover was also a successful businessman, and due to this, people thought he would be great to fix the economy. Little did they know, the tariffs he enforced on imported goods would hurt the economy, much like trump's would. Hoover had no idea how economics worked as a successful businessman. In fact, Hoover led to the socialization of the US. The Trump thing has happened before, we just have to look back in the history books.
It's going to be a YUUUGE mistake to nominate this man.
Us gays get it.
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Some people on this thread are in serious need of a beer and something naked.
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Hoover was also a successful businessman, and due to this, people thought he would be great to fix the economy. Little did they know, the tariffs he enforced on imported goods would hurt the economy, much like trump's would. Hoover had no idea how economics worked as a successful businessman. In fact, Hoover led to the socialization of the US. The Trump thing has happened before, we just have to look back in the history books.
It's going to be a YUUUGE mistake to nominate this man.
The Hillary thing has happened before too.
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Some people on this thread are in serious need of a beer and something naked.
This is something I think we all could get behind. :thumsup: :gig:
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So was Reagan. That worked out pretty well.
Other than the whole Reaganomics (gutting the middle class), cutting the budgets of commerce, transportation, agriculture & education. The whole failed & ongoing war on drugs, and issued leases to oil, gas & coal companies for tens of Millions acres of land, because "trees cause more pollution than automobiles." Also, the $33 Billions of tax payer money spent on his failed Star Wars project...yeah, worked out pretty well.
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Other than the whole Reaganomics (gutting the middle class), cutting the budgets of commerce, transportation, agriculture & education. The whole failed & ongoing war on drugs, and issued leases to oil, gas & coal companies for tens of Millions acres of land, because "trees cause more pollution than automobiles." Also, the $33 Billions of tax payer money spent on his failed Star Wars project...yeah, worked out pretty well.
Do they have these where you live?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzXPWZ0HKts
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Do they have these where you live?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzXPWZ0HKts
They apparently don't have them where you do.
I forget, I'm replying to someone that thinks free healthcare and college education is a bad thing (free to those that don't make over $200k a year, which is nearly everyone on this message board). Just a little fyi, you realize we (the US tax payers) help pay for free healthcare and education already...it's just not here (Isreal).
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They apparently don't have them where you do.
I forget, I'm replying to someone that thinks free healthcare and college education is a bad thing (free to those that don't make over $200k a year, which is nearly everyone on this message board). Just a little fyi, you realize we (the US tax payers) pay for free healthcare and education already...it's just not here (Isreal).
What will free college do to those who paid for their college degree? My guess is that it will devalue most. At least those that don't come from a fancy pants college.
Personally, I don't like the idea of paying for anyone's education other than my own or my kid's.
If you want to, fine. My suggestion is to set up a fund in which those who wish to, donate to fund educating others. That's great and fine. Maybe they will learn how to spell Israel.
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They apparently don't have them where you do.
I forget, I'm replying to someone that thinks free healthcare and college education is a bad thing (free to those that don't make over $200k a year, which is nearly everyone on this message board). Just a little fyi, you realize we (the US tax payers) help pay for free healthcare and education already...it's just not here (Isreal).
Free only sounds good to slackers like you. And then the free shit will be just that - SHIT!
Any country with free healthcare had exponentially shittier doctors than we do.
People like you need to get really sick, and then have access to only shitty doctors. then you will quickly change your tune. Government paid healthcare is only good for the healthy.
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What will free college do to those who paid for their college degree? My guess is that it will devalue most. At least those that don't come from a fancy pants college.
Personally, I don't like the idea of paying for anyone's education other than my own or my kid's.
If you want to, fine. My suggestion is to set up a fund in which those who wish to, donate to fund educating others. That's great and fine. Maybe they will learn how to spell Israel.
I usually gloss over your mindless drivel, but that's funny right there. I don't care who ya' are.
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I usually gloss over your mindless drivel, but that's funny right there. I don't care who ya' are.
You should really start reading more of my stuff. This was nothing.
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In what fucking state is healthcare an issue? Since 18, I've worked pottery plant, mobile home plant, car manufacturer plant, construction work, and finally law enforcement. Not once since I moved out at 18 have I been without health and dental insurance. Not once since I've been married, have I been without family coverage health and dental. None of those jobs are silver spoon jobs. Most of them were fucking terrible. Fuck anyone who has the aufuckingdacity to bitch about not having insurance.
Buy a plan or nut up and get a harder job that provides an insurance plan. And stop expecting me to pay for mine and yours.
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In what fucking state is healthcare an issue? Since 18, I've worked pottery plant, mobile home plant, car manufacturer plant, construction work, and finally law enforcement. Not once since I moved out at 18 have I been without health and dental insurance. Not once since I've been married, have I been without family coverage health and dental. None of those jobs are silver spoon jobs. Most of them were fucking terrible. Fuck anyone who has the aufuckingdacity to bitch about not having insurance.
Buy a plan or nut up and get a harder job that provides an insurance plan. And stop expecting me to pay for mine and yours.
BOOM MUTHABITCHES!
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In what fucking state is healthcare an issue? Since 18, I've worked pottery plant, mobile home plant, car manufacturer plant, construction work, and finally law enforcement. Not once since I moved out at 18 have I been without health and dental insurance. Not once since I've been married, have I been without family coverage health and dental. None of those jobs are silver spoon jobs. Most of them were fucking terrible. Fuck anyone who has the aufuckingdacity to bitch about not having insurance.
Buy a plan or nut up and get a harder job that provides an insurance plan. And stop expecting me to pay for mine and yours.
Okay. Finally someone can say it. Go ahead. You know you want to. No? Okay, I'll do it for you.
DROP MIC!!!!!!!!
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I forget, I'm replying to someone that thinks free healthcare and college education is a bad thing
No, you're replying to sane people who know that nothing is free. Someone somewhere is paying the tab for the moocher's free ride. Fuck that. If I can't claim you on my taxes or have sex with you (and homie don't play dat), I'm not buying shit for you. No one should have to pay more of their hard earned money to subsidize someone else's bad choices.
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They apparently don't have them where you do.
I forget, I'm replying to someone that thinks free healthcare and college education is a bad thing (free to those that don't make over $200k a year, which is nearly everyone on this message board). Just a little fyi, you realize we (the US tax payers) help pay for free healthcare and education already...it's just not here (Isreal).
Son. I'm a student of history. I'm a political animal. Follow this stuff closely.
The policies enacted by Ronald Reagan brought this country back from the brink and paid massive dividends for decades after he left office. Only when Clinton came in with his socialist tendencies did the slide begin.
What you don't fathom is that the policies take time. Bush and then Clinton reaped the benefits of Reagan. Clintons policies led directly to the 2008 collapse which Bush 2 took the hit for. Now Obama is destroying the country. If we don't flip the script and prevent Hillary or Bernie from getting there we will suffer for the next 20 years. We won't recover in my lifetime most likely.
You're god damned right I oppose "free" education and "free" healthcare. Because there's no such thing. Somebody pays. I don't care if somebody does make $200k or $40000000000k. It's not their place to pay for my education or my medical care. It's mine. This concept of "free"'shit is an anethma to what America should be about -- personal accountability.
Santa Claus isn't squeezing his fat white ass down the country's chimney to hand out scholarships and prescriptions. Only children expect some magical mystical wealthy fairy to provide for them. Adults know that somebody pays for those presents.
Fuck Bernie sanders. Fuck socialism. Fuck asking people to pay for somebody else's stuff.
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In what fucking state is healthcare an issue? Since 18, I've worked pottery plant, mobile home plant, car manufacturer plant, construction work, and finally law enforcement. Not once since I moved out at 18 have I been without health and dental insurance. Not once since I've been married, have I been without family coverage health and dental. None of those jobs are silver spoon jobs. Most of them were fucking terrible. Fuck anyone who has the aufuckingdacity to bitch about not having insurance.
Buy a plan or nut up and get a harder job that provides an insurance plan. And stop expecting me to pay for mine and yours.
You CHOSE to pay for health insurance. Others took that money and partied. Then when the shit hit the fan, they cried that health care costs ruined them.
Responsible people make sure they have insurance BEFORE they by that luxury shit they think they are owed!
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You CHOSE to pay for health insurance. Others took that money and partied. Then when the shit hit the fan, they cried that health care costs ruined them.
Responsible people make sure they have insurance BEFORE they by that luxury shit they think they are owed!
Our educational system has quit producing them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdfSFlSus4
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If you think Cuba is going "sue" America...for fuck's sake you're stupid. And if you don't think he sounds incredibly stupid saying it...you're stupid.
This guy lives eats, breaths, and shits litigiousness.
That and "making deals". If you took a sip of your beer every time he said his plan was to "make a great deal" you'd still be having your stomach pumped this morning.
Deal. Sad. Losers. Bad. Terrible. Unbelievable. Strong. Rinse. Repeat. GENIUS!
It means absolutely fucking nothing. Which benefits him 1) So he doesn't have to change his position like he does with everything else 2) Because he doesn't even know what he's talking about to begin with, so "Make a great deal" is his ignorant one-size-fits-all answer to everything, and 3) The idiots voting for him think it is a coherent answer cuz "I tell u whut, 'at Trump rote a hole dam book about makin deals".
"What would you do about Climate Change?"
"Make the best classiest yugest deal with Mother Nature you ever saw."
Rubio crushed him again here. How is this guy losing to Biff Tannen? It's astonishing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv58V6KvKyE
Also, CCTAU is being coy not telling us he was on Inside Edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU3FLZgIhc
Wonder how that could have happened...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUo1Y0fQTZQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdfSFlSus4
:facepalm:
If you think Cuba is going "sue" America...for fuck's sake you're stupid. And if you don't think he sounds incredibly stupid saying it...you're stupid.
This guy lives eats, breaths, and shits litigiousness.
That and "making deals". If you took a sip of your beer every time he said his plan was to "make a great deal" you'd still be having your stomach pumped this morning.
Deal. Sad. Losers. Bad. Terrible. Unbelievable. Strong. Rinse. Repeat. GENIUS!
It means absolutely fucking nothing. Which benefits him 1) So he doesn't have to change his position like he does with everything else 2) Because he doesn't even know what he's talking about to begin with, so "Make a great deal" is his ignorant one-size-fits-all answer to everything, and 3) The idiots voting for him think it is a coherent answer cuz "I tell u whut, 'at Trump rote a hole dam book about makin deals".
"What would you do about Climate Change?"
"Make the best classiest yugest deal with Mother Nature you ever saw."
Rubio crushed him again here. How is this guy losing to Biff Tannen? It's astonishing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv58V6KvKyE
Also, CCTAU is being coy not telling us he was on Inside Edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU3FLZgIhc
Wonder how that could have happened...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUo1Y0fQTZQ
Oh, so you think Trump is STUPID.
I didn't get it the other 4,567,821 times you said it.
Don't care. Don't care at all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdfSFlSus4
:facepalm:
If you think Cuba is going "sue" America...for fuck's sake you're stupid. And if you don't think he sounds incredibly stupid saying it...you're stupid.
This guy lives eats, breaths, and shits litigiousness.
That and "making deals". If you took a sip of your beer every time he said his plan was to "make a great deal" you'd still be having your stomach pumped this morning.
Deal. Sad. Losers. Bad. Terrible. Unbelievable. Strong. Rinse. Repeat. GENIUS!
It means absolutely fucking nothing. Which benefits him 1) So he doesn't have to change his position like he does with everything else 2) Because he doesn't even know what he's talking about to begin with, so "Make a great deal" is his ignorant one-size-fits-all answer to everything, and 3) The idiots voting for him think it is a coherent answer cuz "I tell u whut, 'at Trump rote a hole dam book about makin deals".
"What would you do about Climate Change?"
"Make the best classiest yugest deal with Mother Nature you ever saw."
Rubio crushed him again here. How is this guy losing to Biff Tannen? It's astonishing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv58V6KvKyE
Also, CCTAU is being coy not telling us he was on Inside Edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU3FLZgIhc
Wonder how that could have happened...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUo1Y0fQTZQ
He is all that and even more. Dude is overlord of the douche canoes.
And yet he's still better than Hillary.
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Oh, so you think Trump is STUPID.
I didn't get it the other 4,567,821 times you said it.
Don't care. Don't care at all.
As long as people in this thread try to tell me that up is down and black is white, I will continue to post the mountain of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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As long as people in this thread try to tell me that up is down and black is white, I will continue to post the mountain of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
You're missing the point.
Nobody cares.
I want Hillary removed from the public conversation. I want Bernie neutralized. If that means voting for Ronald McDonald? I will. If that means voting for Uncle Ben from the rice box with Mrs. Butterworth as first lady I'll do that too.
I'd prefer the answer not be Trump. But at this stage of the game He's the only one who can dethrone the ice queen. If I thought Rubio had half a chance in hell I'd care what he said. If I thought Cruz could do it, I'd pay attention to his sad faced comments. They can't. They won't. Neither can win New York. Neither can win Ohio. Rubio is going to lose the Florida primary. If it's not Trump, it's her.
So.
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He is all that and even more. Dude is overlord of the douche canoes.
And yet he's still better than Hillary.
You won't see me arguing too much on that point. It's pretty much a coin toss IMO. There is a ton of shit to dislike about Hillary. Whereas in the past I think there was a lot of hyperbole on how awful and catastrophic the "other guy" would be if they got voted in depending on your political affiliation (Obama v. McCain or Romney, Bush v. Gore or Kerry etc.) and more of a choice between someone I think would be ok vs. someone who would be maybe a little better. For the first time I think the hyperbole is warranted on both sides. We're completely fucked regardless. Unless people wise up and start looking at Gary Johnson.
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You won't see me arguing too much on that point. It's pretty much a coin toss IMO. There is a ton of shit to dislike about Hillary. Whereas in the past I think there was a lot of hyperbole on how awful and catastrophic the "other guy" would be if they got voted in depending on your political affiliation (Obama v. McCain or Romney, Bush v. Gore or Kerry etc.) and more of a choice between someone I think would be ok vs. someone who would be maybe a little better. For the first time I think the hyperbole is warranted on both sides. We're completely fucked regardless. Unless people wise up and start looking at Gary Johnson.
All rational people (on both sides) know this. Its just determining who is going to give us the biggest fuck. I am just to the point that maybe it is time for some new dick. Besides I have no illusions that Hillary's dick is bigger than mine and Bernie wants 1/2 of mine.
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All rational people (on both sides) know this. Its just determining who is going to give us the biggest fuck. I am just to the point that maybe it is time for some new dick. Besides I have no illusions that Hillary's dick is bigger than mine and Bernie wants 1/2 of mine.
At least Hillary appears to be the nominee instead of Bernie. If it were Trump vs. Bernie whoo boy we would REALLY be fucked.
Hillary is the worst imaginable presidential candidate BEFORE this election cycle. She'll be a typical bad president who will do and say shit I'll constantly disagree with. Sanders would turn us into Venezuela and Trump might turn us into North Korea.
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All rational people (on both sides) know this. Its just determining who is going to give us the biggest fuck. I am just to the point that maybe it is time for some new dick. Besides I have no illusions that Hillary's dick is bigger than mine and Bernie wants 1/2 of mine.
Rotten Bottom may be able to help you out with this.
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At least Hillary appears to be the nominee instead of Bernie. If it were Trump vs. Bernie whoo boy we would REALLY be fucked.
Hillary is the worst imaginable presidential candidate BEFORE this election cycle. She'll be a typical bad president who will do and say shit I'll constantly disagree with. Sanders would turn us into Venezuela and Trump might turn us into North Korea.
I see your points, but I am so fed up with all the utter bullshit that politicians have done to our country that I am willing to at least try a different avenue, it may work, it may not but it is at least worth a try. Hillary gets elected, ( I can't believe I am about to say this) Washington will become more corrupt than it ever has. Hillary is more worried about becoming the first "women" President than she is about becoming president. We have seen the last 8 years what happens when someone is more concerned about his presidential race and pandering to that race.
I have said this before, I, like a lot of people had hopes that Obama was just going to be the first president that was black. He chose to become a black president.
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At least Hillary appears to be the nominee instead of Bernie. If it were Trump vs. Bernie whoo boy we would REALLY be fucked.
Hillary is the worst imaginable presidential candidate BEFORE this election cycle. She'll be a typical bad president who will do and say shit I'll constantly disagree with. Sanders would turn us into Venezuela and Trump might turn us into North Korea.
See. Therein lies the run for people with common sense.
Hitlary = known commodity with a shitty track record in the public AND private sector to prove it.
Bern = Professed communist. (need I say more)
Trump = no clue how he will govern. Yet the beta males are crying he will (might) turn us into N. Korea.
Think of this as multiple choice. The answer is easy!
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In what fucking state is healthcare an issue? Since 18, I've worked pottery plant, mobile home plant, car manufacturer plant, construction work, and finally law enforcement. Not once since I moved out at 18 have I been without health and dental insurance. Not once since I've been married, have I been without family coverage health and dental. None of those jobs are silver spoon jobs. Most of them were fucking terrible. Fuck anyone who has the aufuckingdacity to bitch about not having insurance.
Buy a plan or nut up and get a harder job that provides an insurance plan. And stop expecting me to pay for mine and yours.
You make more than $200k a year? Yeah, didn't think so. You aren't going to be paying for anyone else's. My turn...#MicDrop
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You make more than $200k a year? Yeah, didn't think so. You aren't going to be paying for anyone else's. My turn...#MicDrop
I don't see what that has to do with anything. He pays taxes.
What are they going to do, make sure that none of his tax money goes toward this particular entitlement program?
Just what we need. Another entitlement program for the slackers and bums. That should really straighten this country out.
#MicShoved #UpAss
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You make more than $200k a year? Yeah, didn't think so. You aren't going to be paying for anyone else's. My turn...#MicDrop
Pick the mic back up and explain why it should make two shits worth of difference whether someone makes $20K, $200K or $200 million a year.
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Pick the mic back up and explain why it should make two shits worth of difference whether someone makes $20K, $200K or $200 million a year.
Because the more money you make, the more you can pay for other peoples free stuff.
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Because the more money you make, the more you can pay for other peoples free stuff.
It's becoming the American way.
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Pick the mic back up and explain why it should make two shits worth of difference whether someone makes $20K, $200K or $200 million a year.
The more you make the more they can take.
#michate.
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You make more than $200k a year? Yeah, didn't think so. You aren't going to be paying for anyone else's. My turn...#MicDrop
You missed the point. I DON'T make $200,000 a year, and yet I DON'T need anyone to pay for my insurance. If you need someone to pay anything for you, you are the problem.
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You missed the point. I DON'T make $200,000 a year, and yet I DON'T need anyone to pay for my insurance. If you need someone to pay anything for you, you are the problem.
You don't say?
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You missed the point.
Well luckily since you have more than one point you can share the other ones with those who continually miss them.
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Well luckily since you have more than one point you can share the other ones with those who continually miss them.
What's your point?
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What's your point?
I would tell you but I only have one.....Let the people who have more than one dole them out.
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All of the points above are mute. I haven't heard a single one.
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I would tell you but I only have one.....Let the people who have more than one dole them out.
I think if you have more than one, it works better if the gubment takes it before you dole it out.
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https://youtu.be/l2a-_dvxtN0?list=PL-nJWUWTa-besXuERuk5HmoDicbiRNmln
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You make more than $200k a year? Yeah, didn't think so. You aren't going to be paying for anyone else's. My turn...#MicDrop
If you want another man (or woman) to pay for your healthcare or your education then you are NOT a man. You are a pussy. I don't care how much you make or I make. If you want me to pay for yours because I made better choices (or had more intrinsic advantages) then you are not a man at all.
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If you want another man (or woman) to pay for your healthcare or your education then you are NOT a man. You are a pussy. I don't care how much you make or I make. If you want me to pay for yours because I made better choices (or had more intrinsic advantages) then you are not a man at all.
If you would rather your taxes go to failed wars & failed war projects instead of education & health care, then you are the problem and you are a piece of garbage human being. People want to sit there and talk about how Un-American it is to not help or homeless or our starving children, but then some complain when it's their money going to help them.
You are a pussy, piece of shit if you think that spending more money on our education isn't something that we should do and should've been doing for a while now, if you're pro-life but turn around and want to deny people healthcare that can't afford it, because you'd rather your taxes go to the multi-Trillion dollar war industry.
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You missed the point. I DON'T make $200,000 a year, and yet I DON'T need anyone to pay for my insurance. If you need someone to pay anything for you, you are the problem.
So your company doesn't subsidize your healthcare? You pay the full premium?
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So your company doesn't subsidize your healthcare? You pay the full premium?
Currently, yes. 3 of my previous employers did. 2 of them didn't.
Insurance was one of the primary factors in each job I've worked at. Do they provide insurance, and if they don't, will I make enough to be able to afford a private plan. Never been an issue.
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If you would rather your taxes go to failed wars & failed war projects instead of education & health care, then you are the problem and you are a piece of garbage human being. People want to sit there and talk about how Un-American it is to not help or homeless or our starving children, but then some complain when it's their money going to help them.
You are a pussy, piece of shit if you think that spending more money on our education isn't something that we should do and should've been doing for a while now, if you're pro-life but turn around and want to deny people healthcare that can't afford it, because you'd rather your taxes go to the multi-Trillion dollar war industry.
I'd rather pay less taxes and use the money I save to hire two more people who can then pay for their own shit while at the same time providing me some value. Those people can then spend their money at other businesses which will require those businesses to hire additional help -- people who can then pay their own taxes, buy more shit and in turn put even more people to work.
That's how the economy works. The more the government takes for its bogus altruistic causes the more people need handouts.
Don't you fucking understand? The point of the Democratic Party and the socialist agenda is to force you to depend on the government rather than your own abilities.
If you support that kind of shit you are a skirt wearing helpless woman. If you want my money you need to blow me.
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I'd rather pay less taxes and use the money I save to hire two more people who can then pay for their own shit while at the same time providing me some value. Those people can then spend their money at other businesses which will require those businesses to hire additional help -- people who can then pay their own taxes, buy more shit and in turn put even more people to work.
That's how the economy works. The more the government takes for its bogus altruistic causes the more people need handouts.
Don't you fucking understand? The point of the Democratic Party and the socialist agenda is to force you to depend on the government rather than your own abilities.
If you support that kind of shit you are a skirt wearing helpless woman. If you want my money you need to blow me.
http://youtu.be/NXiK9xas7KU
He's looking at you when he says that, fuckin moron.
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So your company doesn't subsidize your healthcare? You pay the full premium?
You say subsidize. I say part of my compensation package. Actually my company and the irs calls it that too. It's a benefit.
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You say subsidize. I say part of my compensation package. Actually my company and the irs calls it that too. It's a benefit.
Which was probably a factor in your decision to work for said company. French benefits.
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Which was probably a factor in your decision to work for said company. French benefits.
Correct.
I just don't like calling it a subsidy. It is not. I give them services. They give me pay and benefits.
People on obamacare and welfare get a true subsidy. Paid for by us. Not the rich.
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Welp, retired neurosurgeon & former Republican candidate nutjob, Ben Carson, is showing everyone again how moronic he can still be...Saying that he is backing Donald Drumpf due to "visions" of a unnamed friend of his and "signs" he got from God.
Apparently his God is different than Cruz's God, because Cruz's God told him that he's going to be President.
Meanwhile, Rubio is talking about Drumpf's small dick, due to Cabbage Patch size hands, at one of his personal rallies. But...Drumpf assured everyone that his dick is not small at the Republican Presidential Debate.
The Republican Party isn't what it used to be...smh.
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I'd rather pay less taxes and use the money I save to hire two more people who can then pay for their own shit while at the same time providing me some value. Those people can then spend their money at other businesses which will require those businesses to hire additional help -- people who can then pay their own taxes, buy more shit and in turn put even more people to work.
That's how the economy works. The more the government takes for its bogus altruistic causes the more people need handouts.
Don't you fucking understand? The point of the Democratic Party and the socialist agenda is to force you to depend on the government rather than your own abilities.
If you support that kind of shit you are a skirt wearing helpless woman. If you want my money you need to blow me.
You are arguing with someone who chose poorly in life and wants to blame it on society.
People like him are the reason places like Detroit are perennial shitholes.
They are too stupid to realize that healthcare and health insurance are two totally different things. And that no matter how much money you throw at education, you will still have those who hair don't give a shit. And the only people the money helps are administrators that don't teach anyway!
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backing Donald Drumpf .
Only a liberal educated underachiever refers to Mr. Trump in that manner.
Kudos for all that you are not!
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/11/jf-trump-rally-nearly-turns-into-a-full-blown-race-war-in-st-louis-videos/
A racist, bully, cry baby, egotistical type person with a God complex is someone that you think knows how to run a Country and is someone that people here would be proud to say represents them? Seriously?
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/11/jf-trump-rally-nearly-turns-into-a-full-blown-race-war-in-st-louis-videos/
A racist, bully, cry baby, egotistical type person with a God complex is someone that you think knows how to run a Country and is someone that people here would be proud to say represents them? Seriously?
You are a typical moron. How can it be racism when islam is not a race. It's like you are a liberal media cock gobbler!
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You are a typical moron. How can it be racism when islam is not a race. It's like you are a liberal media cock gobbler!
Who said anything about Islam? I know Islam isn't a race.
"When you have selfish, ignorant citizens you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders." - George Carlin
Notice the Trump supporters are the ones resorting to school yard name calling, I'm just saying.
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Who said anything about Islam? I know Islam isn't a race.
"When you have selfish, ignorant citizens you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders." - George Carlin
Notice the Trump supporters are the ones resorting to school yard name calling, I'm just saying.
Really? Then you'd better check out the Trump Chicago rally that he had to cancel tonight because of mindless, piece of shit, moronic, uncivilized, thug ass bitch protesters who ruined the night for tens of thousands who just came to hear the man speak. Peaceful assembly....thug ass bitch Trump haters.
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Really? Then you'd better check out the Trump Chicago rally that he had to cancel tonight because of mindless, piece of shit, moronic, uncivilized, thug ass bitch protesters who ruined the night for tens of thousands who just came to hear the man speak. Peaceful assembly....thug ass bitch Trump haters.
And he told them to "go home and get a job". The man does not give a single fuck about being politically correct. He might really get assassinated if he's elected.
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Notice the Trump supporters are the ones resorting to school yard name calling, I'm just saying.
Yeah, about that ........
Saying that he is backing Donald Drumpf ...
Drumpf's small dick ....
Drumpf.....
Dumbass.
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I'd rather pay less taxes and use the money I save to hire two more people who can then pay for their own shit while at the same time providing me some value. Those people can then spend their money at other businesses which will require those businesses to hire additional help -- people who can then pay their own taxes, buy more shit and in turn put even more people to work.
That's how the economy works. The more the government takes for its bogus altruistic causes the more people need handouts.
Don't you fucking understand? The point of the Democratic Party and the socialist agenda is to force you to depend on the government rather than your own abilities.
If you support that kind of shit you are a skirt wearing helpless woman. If you want my money you need to blow me.
Government, especially big government = slavery
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Yeah, about that ........
Dumbass.
Rubio, one of your party's candidates, said that Drumpf had a small dick due to his cabbage patch sized hands.
Drumpf is his ancestors' real last name, dumbass.
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Rubio, one of your party's candidates, said that Drumpf had a small dick due to his cabbage patch sized hands.
Drumpf is his ancestors' real last name, dumbass.
Does he go by "Drumpf" or Trump? Why not call him by his actual name? To do otherwise is, well, quite childish.
It doesn't really matter. You'll be calling him "President" soon enough.
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Really? Then you'd better check out the Trump Chicago rally that he had to cancel tonight because of mindless, piece of shit, moronic, uncivilized, thug ass bitch protesters who ruined the night for tens of thousands who just came to hear the man speak. Peaceful assembly....thug ass bitch Trump haters.
Yeah, I bet the Trump horde just stood there, as the protesters hurled insults at them...words hurt. See what happens when a presidential candidate promotes violence towards people using their 1st Amendment Right? Btw, it is happening nearly everywhere he has had a Klan rally. Regardless if the protester is saying bad words or not. There are two cases where the rally goer has been arrested for assault (the most recent one, the guy stated on camera that the next time he might have to shoot the protester)...
So, again, are y'all happy this guy represents you?
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The gimmedats have no clue what they're doing. All they're accomplishing by acting like 3rd world animals is making Trump stronger.
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The gimmedats have no clue what they're doing. All they're accomplishing by acting like 3rd world animals is making Trump stronger.
The protest started with insults between a rally goer and a protester...then it got heated up from there, in the end there were 30-40 people in front of stage chanting Bernie!!! Bernie!!! Bernie!!! So, basically Bernie supporters protesting a candidate that promotes bigotry and hatred. I'm ALL for protesting against bigotry and hatred.
Oh yeah, and there was this one guy that had a sign that the Trump fans disliked...
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Who said anything about Islam? I know Islam isn't a race.
"When you have selfish, ignorant citizens you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders." - George Carlin
Notice the Trump supporters are the ones resorting to school yard name calling, I'm just saying.
You don't even read your own drivel. You called him a racist and the article referred to hot Trump hates muslims.
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Yeah, I bet the Trump horde just stood there, as the protesters hurled insults at them...words hurt. See what happens when a presidential candidate promotes violence towards people using their 1st Amendment Right? Btw, it is happening nearly everywhere he has had a Klan rally. Regardless if the protester is saying bad words or not. There are two cases where the rally goer has been arrested for assault (the most recent one, the guy stated on camera that the next time he might have to shoot the protester)...
So, again, are y'all happy this guy represents you?
The more you talk, the more I proudly support him.
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The more you talk, the more I proudly support him.
So, you support fascism, bigotry, racism, hatred & xenophobia?
Btw, it wasn't just Bernie supporters that were protesting, nor was it just democrats. It was thousands of Americans outside of the arena protesting against someone that promotes fascism, bigotry, xenophobia, hatred...I have a feeling that the protests will continue.
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Yeah, I bet the Trump horde just stood there, as the protesters hurled insults at them...words hurt. See what happens when a presidential candidate promotes violence towards people using their 1st Amendment Right? Btw, it is happening nearly everywhere he has had a Klan rally. Regardless if the protester is saying bad words or not. There are two cases where the rally goer has been arrested for assault (the most recent one, the guy stated on camera that the next time he might have to shoot the protester)...
So, again, are y'all happy this guy represents you?
Dumb ass!!! I'm not a Trump supporter. But, to condone what these people did and are doing is utter bullshit. It was a rally for Donald Trump supporters to hear him speak. It wouldn't matter if it were Trump, Rubio, Hillary or Bernie. Anybody who does this shit needs pepper spray to the face and groin. How dare these assholes..and YOU... think it's okay to do this. And if Trump supporters take part in this at a Hillary or Bernie rally/speech...then fuck them and pepper spray the lot of em'.
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Yeah, I bet the Trump horde just stood there, as the protesters hurled insults at them...words hurt. See what happens when a presidential candidate promotes violence towards people using their 1st Amendment Right? Btw, it is happening nearly everywhere he has had a Klan rally. Regardless if the protester is saying bad words or not. There are two cases where the rally goer has been arrested for assault (the most recent one, the guy stated on camera that the next time he might have to shoot the protester)...
So, again, are y'all happy this guy represents you?
Yes.
If he shot protesters with a machine gun from the podium he would STILL be better for and less dangerous to the future of this country than Handout Sanders or Hillbillarie Clinton.
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Typical communist trash.
https://youtu.be/aqZ67cc7-d4
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Yes.
If he shot protesters with a machine gun from the podium he would STILL be better for and less dangerous to the future of this country than Handout Sanders or Hillbillarie Clinton.
:huh: you're absolutely brainwashed.
I applaud Americans for standing up and protesting against someone that promotes terrorism, promotes hatred, promotes bigotry, promotes racism, promotes xenophobia & promotes bullying. It's sad that there are people like you in America that don't.
Btw, it's going to get worse. Trump will continue to stoke the flames of hatred and his poorly educated (ignorant) part of the fanbase will become more violent towards people exercising their 1st Amendment right.
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:huh: you're absolutely brainwashed.
I applaud Americans for standing up and protesting against someone that promotes terrorism, promotes hatred, promotes bigotry, promotes racism, promotes xenophobia & promotes bullying. It's sad that there are people like you in America that don't.
Btw, it's going to get worse. Trump will continue to stoke the flames of hatred and his poorly educated (ignorant) part of the fanbase will become more violent towards people exercising their 1st Amendment right.
Then I hope the mooching fucks will get to watch others exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
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Then I hope the mooching fucks will get to watch others exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
This is exactly where it's heading. Sometime between now and the election, lead is going to fly. Bill Ayers, Soros, and the other radical turds pulling the strings on these clueless morons will have the blood on their hands.
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The true sickening part of this is how quickly people are to shout "racist" at someone they don't like. Trump is an asshole. And arrogant. A slimy fuck. Power happy. But none of those adjectives will keep a man down. You start throwing "racism" around though and it scares people. Specifically people who may be on the fence and might vote either way. Hmm, Christian Cruz or Racist Trump?
It's a sham. The whole system. And the people in Washington are scared shitless that someone is about to get a nomination with whom they can't control. It would be interesting to see how many "plants" are sent to the Trump rallies to incite chaos and panic. All it takes is one to send 50 over the edge.
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Also, I'm willing to bet there are about to be a lot of open positions in the secret service. So if any of you fucks reading this fall in the "need you to pay for my insurance" category, I'm certain they take applications online.
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http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/03/breaking-we-just-learned-who-attacked-trump-this-morning-it-explains-everything/
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I'm done with Rubio and Cruz. They may as well be on Sander's team as far as I am concerned.
Kasich has an outside shot with me. He's a likable guy and may win Ohio. But I have faced the fact that Trump has the best chance to beat Hillary, so maybe he will select Kasich for his ticket. Cruz seems to be playing his cards for VP but I'd prefer Kasich over the other two pussies.
If the Secret Service doesn't start making these protesters hurt, it's going to get worse with these slackers seeking publicity and free stuff.
And the mechanic in Ohio has already bailed out. That's promoting more of this.
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So, you support fascism, bigotry, racism, hatred & xenophobia?
Btw, it wasn't just Bernie supporters that were protesting, nor was it just democrats. It was thousands of Americans outside of the arena protesting against someone that promotes fascism, bigotry, xenophobia, hatred...I have a feeling that the protests will continue.
Americans? Which "Americans" are you talking about: the ones waving the Soviet flag, the ones waving the Mexican flag, or the ones stomping on and burning the American flag?
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Americans? Which "Americans" are you talking about: the ones waving the Soviet flag, the ones waving the Mexican flag, or the ones stomping on and burning the American flag?
Remember, it isn't noble to go into an intellectual debate with an unarmed adversary.
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Americans? Which "Americans" are you talking about: the ones waving the Soviet flag, the ones waving the Mexican flag, or the ones stomping on and burning the American flag?
Definitely not Americans like this woman...
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Btw, this is the type that's proud to say Trump represents them. And yes, Trump is a Xenophobic, racist, bigoted, ignorant, bully that "loves the poorly educated" that vote for him and not because the media paints him that way, but by what he says. The Republican Party aren't happy that he's bringing to the forefront things that they've said behind closed doors.
But, hey, if you think someone that has made his mark in America by a massive handout from his father, off the backs of illegal immigrants, cheating the American government & the American people...and he also happens to be a racist, bully...should be the person that represents you, then vote for him. But, if those above things don't sit well with you, then you should reevaluate who to vote for. Ask yourself if you'd vote for the candidate if they wore blue instead of red or vice-versa. I'd vote for Bernie Sanders if he wore red (of course someone like Bernie would never be associated with the racist Republican party, but this is a "what if scenario").
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Definitely not Americans like this woman...
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Btw, this is the type that's proud to say Trump represents them. And yes, Trump is a Xenophobic, racist, bigoted, ignorant, bully that "loves the poorly educated" that vote for him and not because the media paints him that way, but by what he says. The Republican Party aren't happy that he's bringing to the forefront things that they've said behind closed doors.
But, hey, if you think someone that has made his mark in America by a massive handout from his father, off the backs of illegal immigrants, cheating the American government & the American people...and he also happens to be a racist, bully...should be the person that represents you, then vote for him. But, if those above things don't sit well with you, then you should reevaluate who to vote for. Ask yourself if you'd vote for the candidate if they wore blue instead of red or vice-versa. I'd vote for Bernie Sanders if he wore red (of course someone like Bernie would never be associated with the racist Republican party, but this is a "what if scenario").
I'd vote for you before I voted for Bernie. You're both idiots who believe the wealthy should pay for your quality of life, but at least you haven't been in public office making your living off the backs of the tax payers for the last 30 years. Lifetime politicians are the true thieves in this country. Not wealthy business owners.
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I'd vote for you before I voted for Bernie. You're both idiots who believe the wealthy should pay for your quality of life, but at least you haven't been in public office making your living off the backs of the tax payers for the last 30 years. Lifetime politicians are the true thieves in this country. Not wealthy business owners.
"BoomMotherBitches!!!!!! Vote for Prowler!!!! I played college football!!!! I will divide shit up!!!! I smoke reefer!!!! Boooooom!"
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I'd vote for you before I voted for Bernie. You're both idiots who believe the wealthy should pay for your quality of life, but at least you haven't been in public office making your living off the backs of the tax payers for the last 30 years. Lifetime politicians are the true thieves in this country. Not wealthy business owners.
It's all them damn rich people with their corporate jobs keeping the professional students down!
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Correct.
I just don't like calling it a subsidy. It is not. I give them services. They give me pay and benefits.
People on obamacare and welfare get a true subsidy. Paid for by us. Not the rich.
Reminded me of this scene in the movie McClintock
George Washington McLintock: [Swings and McLintock and gets thrown to the ground] Hold that hog leg! I've been punched many a time in my life but never for hirin' anyone.
Devlin Warren: I don't know what to say. Never begged before. Turned my stomach. I suppose I should have been grateful that you gave me the job.
George Washington McLintock: Gave? Boy, you've got it all wrong. I don't give jobs I hire men.
Drago: You intend to give this man a full day's work, don'tcha boy?
Devlin Warren: You mean you're still hirin' me? Well, yes, sir, I certainly deliver a fair day's work.
George Washington McLintock: And for that I'll pay you a fair day's wage. You won't give me anything and I won't give you anything. We both hold up our heads. Is that your plug?
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It's all them damn rich people with their corporate jobs keeping the professional students down!
Nah, it's the lack of jobs and high student loan debt created by the federal reserve central banking system. Even though I wish I had finished my computer engineering degree (circa 1990), I'm grateful that I'm not in debt up to my eyeballs. My debt would have been much lower looking back now. $45,000 in 1990 dollars, when compared to today, would have been doable because there were jobs and virtually no outsourcing. Hell, I'd be retired.
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Trump did not create this disruption issue, the leftwingbats did. You hardly ever see anyone on the right come in and disrupt Hitlary. She even comes down south and has no issues at all. "I thought they was all racist redncks!"
Maybe if the left would respect others the way they claim they wan to be respected, these issues would not occur. And maybe the right is tired of being walked on. If you come in my house ans bitch, I throw you out. you can stand on the street and do it all day long.
Also, take a look at the evidence piling up on the left's leaders, such as moveon.org, and see how they are complicit in organizing these things. Read up on Saul Alinksy and see how this is the left's playbook.
Or just blame it on Trump and vote Bernie. Your free shit is in the mail!
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I looked back and found this post I wrote about Cain before the last time the black Jesus was voted into office by dead people:
I don't really give a shit about Libya in any terms except how it affects us financially. The next guy I vote for president will be the one who says not shit mattes except getting the USA back on solid financial footing. Everything else is a non-starter.
If someone attacks the US or goes against boundaries that have been set, bomb them. Do not send troops. Bomb them. Have them spend too much time digging out of the rubble to push the envelope. Stay at home and bomb them.
Feed our own before we feed others. Loosen the noose around businesses' necks. Get the slugs off welfare.
Cain is not running on foreign policy. He is running on getting the business of the US back on track. There are plenty of advisors to get the right information if a foreign issue comes up.
The only qualification for being a president is that you must have common sense enough to not be controlled by those who are already part of the machine. Cain fits this bill easily.
I still feel the same way. Just work on the economy. (Build a wall. Lower corporate taxes. Stop terrorism.)
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Definitely not Americans like this woman...
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Btw, this is the type that's proud to say Trump represents them. And yes, Trump is a Xenophobic, racist, bigoted, ignorant, bully that "loves the poorly educated" that vote for him and not because the media paints him that way, but by what he says. The Republican Party aren't happy that he's bringing to the forefront things that they've said behind closed doors.
But, hey, if you think someone that has made his mark in America by a massive handout from his father, off the backs of illegal immigrants, cheating the American government & the American people...and he also happens to be a racist, bully...should be the person that represents you, then vote for him. But, if those above things don't sit well with you, then you should reevaluate who to vote for. Ask yourself if you'd vote for the candidate if they wore blue instead of red or vice-versa. I'd vote for Bernie Sanders if he wore red (of course someone like Bernie would never be associated with the racist Republican party, but this is a "what if scenario").
Look who else is Hitler! Errrrrrrmahgerd! Nurtzies!
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Look who else is Hitler! Errrrrrrmahgerd! Nurtzies!
I cackled!
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Look who else is Hitler! Errrrrrrmahgerd! Nurtzies!
NEW MONITOR bill sent! You have two of them don't you?
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NEW MONITOR bill sent! You have two of them don't you?
I did until Bernie saw the picture. Now I have 1-1/3rd monitors.
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I did until Bernie saw the picture. Now I have 1-1/3rd monitors.
He's here all week, folks.
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/03/14/starnes-silent-majority-mad-hell?intcmp=hpbt1
Mad as hell.
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So I just went on Trump's page. I still haven't heard him talk about any policy stuff because he really does just say things over and again to get a rise out of the crowd. While on his webpage though I notice his tax reform. A single filer making less than $25,000 per year pays 0% income tax. Married filers who make less than $50,000 per year pays 0% income tax. 0% income tax. 0. %. He's going to pull incredible numbers of voters who probably have never seen a poll before. People who DO work, but barely make enough to stay ahead of the government hand out status. Because those people are going to be rewarded for working and not sitting at home waiting on a check. It's not an unrealistic plan to raise the minimum wage status to a point that makes it nearly impossible to purchase anything because of inflation to pay the ridiculous salaries of below average employees. It's a realistic plan to put money in the pockets of people who need it the most, without penalizing the wealthier Americans.
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How DARE you suggest that we get money into the hands of folks who need it.....The people helpin' biddness if you will?
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So I just went on Trump's page. I still haven't heard him talk about any policy stuff because he really does just say things over and again to get a rise out of the crowd. While on his webpage though I notice his tax reform. A single filer making less than $25,000 per year pays 0% income tax. Married filers who make less than $50,000 per year pays 0% income tax. 0% income tax. 0. %. He's going to pull incredible numbers of voters who probably have never seen a poll before. People who DO work, but barely make enough to stay ahead of the government hand out status. Because those people are going to be rewarded for working and not sitting at home waiting on a check. It's not an unrealistic plan to raise the minimum wage status to a point that makes it nearly impossible to purchase anything because of inflation to pay the ridiculous salaries of below average employees. It's a realistic plan to put money in the pockets of people who need it the most, without penalizing the wealthier Americans.
Dude, take your facts and policy discussion elsewhere.
This place is for Hitler comparisons and name calling.
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Dude, take your facts and policy discussion elsewhere.
This place is for Hitler comparisons and name calling.
The sad fact is, Prowler would probably benefit more from Trump's tax plan than he would Bernie's. But Trump isn't standing around yelling "free" in front of the sheep. Instead he's yelling at people to get a job.
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Soro's $15 million can buy many, many actors and actresses. Throw in the communist Koch Brothers' millions, and we have a Follywood blockbuster for the AGES. I'm saying again, we're screwed regardless of who's elected.
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Even the ragingly delusional left wing shit stain Salon.com echoes what I tried to tell you about Clinton's presidency:
Evaluating Clinton’s presidency as heroic is no longer a given, however. After the bursting of the dot-com bubble in 2000, the corporate scandals of the Enron period, and the collapse of the real estate racket, our view of the prosperous Nineties has changed quite a bit. Now we remember that it was Bill Clinton’s administration that deregulated derivatives, that deregulated telecom, and that put our country’s only strong banking laws in the grave. He’s the one who rammed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) through Congress and who taught the world that the way you respond to a recession is by paying off the federal deficit. Mass incarceration and the repeal of welfare, two of Clinton’s other major achievements, are the pillars of the disciplinary state that has made life so miserable for Americans in the lower reaches of society. He would have put a huge dent in Social Security, too, had the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal not stopped him. If we take inequality as our measure, the Clinton administration looks not heroic but odious.
His policies -- many of them pushed on him by his scheming, shrew, whore, conniving, shit eating wife -- destroyed the prosperity Reagan brought to America.
If we let that crew back in the White House after eight years of the disastrous Obama regime? It's over.
She has to be stopped. I will vote for anyone who has a chance against her -- Trump, Saban, Manson, Kanye, a Kardashian, RuPaul -- anybody.
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Let me paint a picture for you Prowler:
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It's November, and there is a rally. There are thousands of people at this rally getting charged up to hear the man that they came to hear speak. He walks up on stage and everyone goes nuts. The band is playing and and the man raises his hands to get everyone to quiet down so that they can hear him speak on the topic the came to hear about.
As the man starts to speak, about 10 guys in the middle of the crowd rip off their coats to show Crimson "Got 16" shirts and start yelling "ROLL TIDE!" at the top of their lungs. One of them has a sign that says "FUCK MALZAHN!" on it.
The thousands in Orange and Blue around them are PISSED. The Auburn fans yell at the crimson trash, but the stupid inbred fuckers continue to disrupt Malzahn as he is on the mic. Finally, things get physical. Because Auburn fans aren't going to be disrespected by Alabama fans interrupting their own pep rally...and right before the Iron Bowl!
The next day, AL.com is on the case with a headline that reads "Auburn fans ATTACK Alabama fans while visiting Auburn".
There are other opinion pieces that say that Auburn fans are uneducated rednecks who didn't can't behave when opposition comes to peacefully watch an Auburn pep rally. And that Auburn fans just don't respect the tradition that Alabama has.
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It's the same fucking thing Prowler. How people can't see what is happening with these "protests" and the media's coverage of them is beyond me...
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Soro's $15 million can buy many, many actors and actresses. Throw in the communist Koch Brothers' millions, and we have a Follywood blockbuster for the AGES. I'm saying again, we're screwed regardless of who's elected.
Just want to say you specify Soro's 15 million and just vaguely say the Koch Brothers are also spending "millions".
$889 million. It's a pretty substantially more than 15 million.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html
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Even the ragingly delusional left wing shit stain Salon.com echoes what I tried to tell you about Clinton's presidency:
Evaluating Clinton’s presidency as heroic is no longer a given, however. After the bursting of the dot-com bubble in 2000, the corporate scandals of the Enron period, and the collapse of the real estate racket, our view of the prosperous Nineties has changed quite a bit. Now we remember that it was Bill Clinton’s administration that deregulated derivatives, that deregulated telecom, and that put our country’s only strong banking laws in the grave. He’s the one who rammed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) through Congress and who taught the world that the way you respond to a recession is by paying off the federal deficit. Mass incarceration and the repeal of welfare, two of Clinton’s other major achievements, are the pillars of the disciplinary state that has made life so miserable for Americans in the lower reaches of society. He would have put a huge dent in Social Security, too, had the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal not stopped him. If we take inequality as our measure, the Clinton administration looks not heroic but odious.
His policies -- many of them pushed on him by his scheming, shrew, whore, conniving, shit eating wife -- destroyed the prosperity Reagan brought to America.
If we let that crew back in the White House after eight years of the disastrous Obama regime? It's over.
She has to be stopped. I will vote for anyone who has a chance against her -- Trump, Saban, Manson, Kanye, a Kardashian, RuPaul -- anybody.
Which of those policies specifically did you dislike? Since when do you oppose deregulation, free trade, and paying off the deficit? I have never heard you speak glowingly about welfare or Social Security or express concern about mass incarceration.
It's almost as if rather than being principled, you are blindly, tribalistically pulling for your sports team...
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Let me paint a picture for you Prowler:
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It's November, and there is a rally. There are thousands of people at this rally getting charged up to hear the man that they came to hear speak. He walks up on stage and everyone goes nuts. The band is playing and and the man raises his hands to get everyone to quiet down so that they can hear him speak on the topic the came to hear about.
As the man starts to speak, about 10 guys in the middle of the crowd rip off their coats to show Crimson "Got 16" shirts and start yelling "ROLL TIDE!" at the top of their lungs. One of them has a sign that says "FUCK MALZAHN!" on it.
The thousands in Orange and Blue around them are PISSED. The Auburn fans yell at the crimson trash, but the stupid inbred fuckers continue to disrupt Malzahn as he is on the mic. Finally, things get physical. Because Auburn fans aren't going to be disrespected by Alabama fans interrupting their own pep rally...and right before the Iron Bowl!
The next day, AL.com is on the case with a headline that reads "Auburn fans ATTACK Alabama fans while visiting Auburn".
There are other opinion pieces that say that Auburn fans are uneducated rednecks who didn't can't behave when opposition comes to peacefully watch an Auburn pep rally. And that Auburn fans just don't respect the tradition that Alabama has.
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It's the same fucking thing Prowler. How people can't see what is happening with these "protests" and the media's coverage of them is beyond me...
^^^This man just painted an accurate portrayal of these events and did a marvelous job in doing so. Recognize!
Also, it wouldn't matter to me if the protesters were outside. Protest your ass off on the sidewalk. But don't come into the opposition's rally. That's just ignorant and uncouth. I don't care which candidate it is.
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Which of those policies specifically did you dislike? Since when do you oppose deregulation, free trade, and paying off the deficit? I have never heard you speak glowingly about welfare or Social Security or express concern about mass incarceration.
It's almost as if rather than being principled, you are blindly, tribalistically pulling for your sports team...
Clinton's deregulation of banking and his wife's push for easier home loans (no doubt greased by her "friends") which was a part of their socialist "e'rbody deserve a gret big ol' home they caint affort" agenda was directly responsible for the 2008 housing collapse. Clinton started that ball rolling. His policies in that arena nearly destroyed the country. I've always thought that.
I also disagreed vehemently with NAFTA. That agreement hastened the destruction of small town America. I see that first hand. The garment plants that used to be cornerstones of many of the small towns near where I lived and worked closed up and went to Mexico. So, too, did other manufacturing companies. Those towns were surviving (and in some cases thriving) with plants that provided decent wages for decent work and kept people gainfully employed. Those employees kept the local economy -- barbershops, jewelry stores, furniture stores, hardware stores, pharmacies, restaurants, etc. -- going. Without the plants, the towns descended into despair. Unemployment mushroomed. Once busy downtowns became graveyards of boarded up stores and decay. Clinton and NAFTA created that. It's one of the worst things that ever happened to middle America. Maybe we haven't specifically discussed it, but that's always been my position.
I don't know about "mass incarceration" or "repeal of welfare" because i don't think he did either of those.
Did Clinton preside over an era of relative calm and prosperity? Yeah, but only because he inherited something that Ronald Wilson Reagan built brick by brick as he pulled this country back from the brink of ruin. The loss of innocence that came with Nixon's fall followed by the foppishly weak tenure of Carter had this country teetering on the precipice. Reagan yanked us off the cliff and set into motion policies that made America great again (sound familiar?). Clinton broke all that down and led us to where we are today. Obama made it exponentially worse. A radical muslim wolf in democratic sheep's clothing is what he is.
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Did Clinton preside over an era of relative calm and prosperity? Yeah, but only because he inherited something that Ronald Wilson Reagan built brick by brick as he pulled this country back from the brink of ruin. The loss of innocence that came with Nixon's fall followed by the foppishly weak tenure of Carter had this country teetering on the precipice. Reagan yanked us off the cliff and set into motion policies that made America great again (sound familiar?). Clinton broke all that down and led us to where we are today. Obama made it exponentially worse. A radical muslim wolf in democratic sheep's clothing is what he is.
And don't forget one of the strongest republican houses in a long time. As soon as that went away, things started to erode once again under a dim president.
I've always said that Clinton did nothing but ride the wave. He jumped off the board right before crashing into the beach!
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Clinton's deregulation of banking and his wife's push for easier home loans (no doubt greased by her "friends") which was a part of their socialist "e'rbody deserve a gret big ol' home they caint affort" agenda was directly responsible for the 2008 housing collapse. Clinton started that ball rolling. His policies in that arena nearly destroyed the country. I've always thought that.
I also disagreed vehemently with NAFTA. That agreement hastened the destruction of small town America. I see that first hand. The garment plants that used to be cornerstones of many of the small towns near where I lived and worked closed up and went to Mexico. So, too, did other manufacturing companies. Those towns were surviving (and in some cases thriving) with plants that provided decent wages for decent work and kept people gainfully employed. Those employees kept the local economy -- barbershops, jewelry stores, furniture stores, hardware stores, pharmacies, restaurants, etc. -- going. Without the plants, the towns descended into despair. Unemployment mushroomed. Once busy downtowns became graveyards of boarded up stores and decay. Clinton and NAFTA created that. It's one of the worst things that ever happened to middle America. Maybe we haven't specifically discussed it, but that's always been my position.
I don't know about "mass incarceration" or "repeal of welfare" because i don't think he did either of those.
Did Clinton preside over an era of relative calm and prosperity? Yeah, but only because he inherited something that Ronald Wilson Reagan built brick by brick as he pulled this country back from the brink of ruin. The loss of innocence that came with Nixon's fall followed by the foppishly weak tenure of Carter had this country teetering on the precipice. Reagan yanked us off the cliff and set into motion policies that made America great again (sound familiar?). Clinton broke all that down and led us to where we are today. Obama made it exponentially worse. A radical muslim wolf in democratic sheep's clothing is what he is.
So you're a libruhl.
Did you Occupy Wall Street with that hard pro-regulation stance? You always wanted big Government putting up barriers for home ownership? You're telling me you didn't like that NAFTA allowed businesses and corporations to do as they saw to be in the best interest of their stock holders and protect their bottom line?
Bullshit.
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And don't forget one of the strongest republican houses in a long time. As soon as that went away, things started to erode once again under a dim president.
I've always said that Clinton did nothing but ride the wave. He jumped off the board right before crashing into the beach!
I would add fuel to the fire here by saying the dot com boom (which he had no direct part of aside from the Intarwebz being his veep's grand invention) didn't hurt his legacy either.
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I would add fuel to the fire here by saying the dot com boom (which he had no direct part of aside from the Intarwebz being his veep's grand invention) didn't hurt his legacy either.
That is part of the wave I mentioned.
It conveniently ended about the same time as his term!
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So you're a libruhl.
Did you Occupy Wall Street with that hard pro-regulation stance? You always wanted big Government putting up barriers for home ownership? You're telling me you didn't like that NAFTA allowed businesses and corporations to do as they saw to be in the best interest of their stock holders and protect their bottom line?
Bullshit.
You're insane.
I want government to protect American business interests.
I opposed NAFTA. Vehemently.
I want the government to protect the American taxpayer (so long as we're forced to pay taxes). When I saw people getting house loans more easily than they could get a loan for a car I knew what was going to happen. I used to sell cars at a "tote your note" car lot. I used to own a furniture store that catered to the economically disadvantaged. I know who these people are and how they behave. You give them home loans? They will get more than they can afford and walk away without a second thought when things get tight.
Some government regulation is necessary because people are, after all, people. There are those who put their own self-interest ahead of anything -- national security included.
I'm not a liberal. I'm not a conservative. I believe in aspects of both.
What I want?
1) I want Obamacare repealed and the concept of "national health care for all" never brought up again. It's not going to work and succeeds only in driving up costs, crushing small businesses which want to provide for their employees, diminishing standards of care and making the situation exponentially worse.
2) Dismantle the IRS and institute a tax on goods and services. Everybody who benefits should pay. Period. If you drive on the roads, if you rely on the American military for protection, you should pay for that no matter what your circumstance. And you should pay the same percentage as I do. If still you want to unfairly tap the rich, do so by implementing higher tax rates on luxury items. If you want to penalize people who make poor choices raise taxes on alcohol, cigarettes and tobacco.
3) I want the federal government out of anything that should be left to the states. That includes education (no more Common Core), marriage (no more federally forced gay bullshit) etc.
4) I want legislation that cripples small business and damages the American workforce eliminated. That means NAFTA. I'm sorry, but I'd rather pay $1 more for a shirt made in the US than be able to get cheap, shitty $5 shirts at Wal Mart celebrating 16 national championships. I want a government that supports American industry rather than making it easier and more profitable for the jobs that built small town America to evaporate to Vietnam and Mexico.
5) I want a federal government that doesn't pander to niche causes (#blacklivesmatter) and that doesn't substitute its own agenda(s) for the will of the people.
6) I want a government that holds people accountable. I help people do their taxes. It infuriates me to have people who paid little into the system to be able to get back enormous refunds because of a plethora of credits. That's asinine. You should not be able to get back more than you put in. You should also be required to perform some community service if you receive government assistance. Have you ever been in a housing project? Have you ever seen the absolute indifference/disdain most people who live there have for their homes and property? There's no sense of pride because it's just handed to them. I've delivered (and repossessed) furniture from places that were full of vermin, had holes punched in the walls, had carpets shit on and torn up by pets, places that were literally demolished by the residents -- residents who then complained, were moved to another free space which they proceeded to destroy while our tax dollars were used to repair all the damage at the first one. If you are on public housing and drawing a public check, you should be required to keep your property maintained, perform cleanup or administrative duties in your block and if you don't? Fuck you. Hit the streets and die.
I want to believe in America, but I don't. Too many people now think that somebody else should pay. Pay for their bad choices, pay for them to have a standard of living to which they are not entitled, pay because they are offended, pay because they are mad, pay, pay, pay, pay, pay, pay. And these same fools continue to support people who prey on that while they get successively more dependent, less self-sufficient and more poor.
The only politicians who can reverse that trend are those that believe in the power of American small business. Those who believe in the trickle-up effect of people like me being able to pay fair wages, provide decent benefits and grow my business in free market. You don't think it would be less expensive for me to farm out all my development to a bunch of Indians for eighty cents a day? I could do that, hide the fact by having a few states-based employees and have significantly more money than I do now. I don't. Because I still believe in America. But it's getting harder and harder.
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I want the government to protect the American taxpayer (so long as we're forced to pay taxes). When I saw people getting house loans more easily than they could get a loan for a car I knew what was going to happen. I used to sell cars at a "tote your note" car lot. I used to own a furniture store that catered to the economically disadvantaged. I know who these people are and how they behave. You give them home loans? They will get more than they can afford and walk away without a second thought when things get tight.
One of the funniest/scary commercials I ever saw was that shitty one for Freddie Mac and Fanny May back in their heyday and the tagline was "Everyone deserves a home".
NO THEY DON'T! Some people absolutely do not deserve a home and by home they meant a house.
You have to work to deserve a house. You have to work at saving money and at paying your bills/living within your means. Without doing these two things there is no reason why anyone should front you the money for a mortgage until the regulation were relaxed so "everyone could get a home".
Add to this problem when the shit finally hit the fan and the collapse was on then the gubment stepped in and guaranteed all of the defaulted loans that they had essentially caused. Now you had a lender that was guaranteed to get their loan amount back and still retain the property to sell at a later date so there is absolute zero reason for them to try to work with the few who did want to try to make good on their loan.
Yes gubment fixes everything.
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If you want to penalize people who make poor choices raise taxes on alcohol, cigarettes and tobacco.
shut the hell up. :bar:
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One of the funniest/scary commercials I ever saw was that shitty one for Freddie Mac and Fanny May back in their heyday and the tagline was "Everyone deserves a home".
NO THEY DON'T! Some people absolutely do not deserve a home and by home they meant a house.
You have to work to deserve a house. You have to work at saving money and at paying your bills/living within your means. Without doing these two things there is no reason why anyone should front you the money for a mortgage until the regulation were relaxed so "everyone could get a home".
Add to this problem when the shit finally hit the fan and the collapse was on then the gubment stepped in and guaranteed all of the defaulted loans that they had essentially caused. Now you had a lender that was guaranteed to get their loan amount back and still retain the property to sell at a later date so there is absolute zero reason for them to try to work with the few who did want to try to make good on their loan.
Yes gubment fixes everything.
You are so full of crap. The greedy wall street bastards caused the housing collapse. I know this to be fact. I still hear it every day from the uneducated left!
Why can't you get on board with social engineering. It has worked for Detroit!
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You are so full of crap. The greedy wall street bastards caused the housing collapse. I know this to be fact. I still hear it every day from the uneducated left!
i.e. Kaos.
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One of the funniest/scary commercials I ever saw was that shitty one for Freddie Mac and Fanny May back in their heyday and the tagline was "Everyone deserves a home".
NO THEY DON'T! Some people absolutely do not deserve a home and by home they meant a house.
You have to work to deserve a house. You have to work at saving money and at paying your bills/living within your means. Without doing these two things there is no reason why anyone should front you the money for a mortgage until the regulation were relaxed so "everyone could get a home".
Add to this problem when the shit finally hit the fan and the collapse was on then the gubment stepped in and guaranteed all of the defaulted loans that they had essentially caused. Now you had a lender that was guaranteed to get their loan amount back and still retain the property to sell at a later date so there is absolute zero reason for them to try to work with the few who did want to try to make good on their loan.
Yes gubment fixes everything.
Here's how stupid it got. In June 2008 I bought out a business. Seven figure deal. That necessitated a move. Looked for houses over the summer. Bank and realtor pushing me toward $400,000-$500,000 homes. No problem. Just sign here. Didn't want that. Found something l liked in the $290 range. Started the process at the end of September because I had to wait for my old house to close.
Mid October when I go to get the new one. Market in free fall. Bank says "uhhhhh well.... You just got this new company less than six months ago. Yeah, we know you've been on your own since 2003. But we need a more reliable track history." Bear in mind that I had a fairly large sum in this bank. All the rest said the same thing. At 40-something having had a mortgage for more than 20 years without ever being late. With decent credit. I had to get a co-signer with enough collateral to cover the house.
Idiots.
I refinanced eight months later on my own. But that was humbling. And humiliating.
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shut the hell up. :bar:
Talking about myself.
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i.e. Kaos.
Actually, he put the blame where it belonged, on the government programs set up to social engineer equality by allowing any dumbass to get a mortgage!
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Actually, he put the blame where it belonged, on the government programs set up to social engineer equality by allowing any dumbass to get a mortgage!
I missed that. I saw him bemoaning "Bill Clinton’s administration that deregulated derivatives, that deregulated telecom, and that put our country’s only strong banking laws in the grave".
He's advocating for MORE regulation, which is MORE government. This is the fucking textbook definition of big government which is the textbook definition of leftism.
These damn commie libruhl's here have gotten outta hand around here.
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Talking about myself.
More taxes on alcohol, hurts the X-gate which in turns hurts Auburn which in turn hurts us all.
Can any of us imagine a 2008 or 2012 without drinks? That's not a world I want to live in.
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I missed that. I saw him bemoaning "Bill Clinton’s administration that deregulated derivatives, that deregulated telecom, and that put our country’s only strong banking laws in the grave".
He's advocating for MORE regulation, which is MORE government. This is the fucking textbook definition of big government which is the textbook definition of leftism.
These damn commie libruhl's here have gotten outta hand around here.
Republicans aren't conservatives anymore...just moralistic finger pointers.
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Republicans aren't conservatives anymore...just moralistic finger pointers.
You should consider turning from your wicked ways before it's too late. JMHO, but it's your life.
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I say it's time we build a wall around Kaos & CCTAU before their leftist ideals infect others around here.
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Its 2016. Is this really happening:
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=10869
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Republicans aren't conservatives anymore...just moralistic finger pointers.
if that is true, then how do you explain Trumps popularity?
All that some of you have done so far is rail about how slimy and immoral he is.
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if that is true, then how do you explain Trumps popularity?
All that some of you have done so far is rail about how slimy and immoral he is.
He's sure as shit not conservative by any measurable sense...
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He's sure as shit not conservative by any measurable sense...
So Trump is now a moral leader. OUTSTANDING!
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So Trump is now a moral leader. OUTSTANDING!
Being a moralistic finger pointer doesn't make one a moral leader.
But Trump is neither...making his rise an interesting study in his followers.
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Being a moralistic finger pointer doesn't make one a moral leader.
But Trump is neither...making his rise an interesting study in his followers.
These are interesting times indeed. I think we're witnessing something like the crumbling of the Whig party in real time.
Maybe this leads to three viable parties. The actual Republicans can keep the name and then Trump, Palin, Christie, Carson, Alex Jones, the Breitbart.com staff, and fellow idiots & assholes can start their own. I may actually register as a full-fledged Republican if they performed that colonoscopy.
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Yep...interesting times. I can't recall a time in history when the popularity of several politicians was based on concepts completely foreign to the issues or his/her ability to lead this country.
3,641 pages into this discussion and virtually zero "substance" concerning Hillary Clinton's stance on anything. Those who hate her do so because she's a vile, slimy witch and a Hil Presidency would be a disaster. Why is that? Because she's a vile, slimy whore looking, bitch. That's why. Those who support her do so because "It's about time we had a woman in the White House." I'll be the first to admit that the sight of her gets more repulsive each year. I'll also admit I know exactly squat on where she stands on immigration.
Obama is black. He's a Democrat. Hope and change. Oprah gives away tons of free shit. She loves her some Barack and held rallies for him. We're gonna' get free shit too. "It's about time we got a black man in the White House". What was his position on the trade deficit? Foreign policy? National defense? Who knows? Who cares? We've had enough of these crotchety, old white Republicans running the show. Hope.....Change.
Now Trump. Much like Obama, his rise is based on the concept of change. Change from what? A change from politicians holding office that have everyone's hands but their own in their pockets. A change from political correctness. A change from Gus Malzahn coach speak to "Fuck off...my dick is bigger...keep the camel jockeys from coming in and throw the damn wet-backs out." And truth be known, 75% or 784/1,134th of Trump supporters couldn't tell you anything more about his stance on the issues than what I just said. And the only reason they know that much is because he pretty much says it in that manner. Wow, this guy talks like us. "Screw you, asshole. I'll sue you".
That's what scares me. Are either Hillary or Trump qualified to run the U.S. of A? It's what scared me about Obama. Who is this guy? What the hell qualifies him to be President? He's going to get in simply because he's a young looking, smooth talking, black man and a large segment of society is fed up with the status quo. I'm afraid we're in for a scary ride.
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I missed that. I saw him bemoaning "Bill Clinton’s administration that deregulated derivatives, that deregulated telecom, and that put our country’s only strong banking laws in the grave".
He's advocating for MORE regulation, which is MORE government. This is the fucking textbook definition of big government which is the textbook definition of leftism.
These damn commie libruhl's here have gotten outta hand around here.
You don't listen real good. Banks should have the ability to make reasonable business decisions based on rational criteria. The less government involvement the better.
Fannie and Freddie and all that mess is government managed. Big brother should have no say in who qualifies for a loan and who doesn't. It was the federal mandate to give everybody a home that was pushed on the lending institutions that caused the problem.
As I've said a billion times... You cannot legislate or guarantee equal outcome. Equal opportunity -- a fair shot -- yeah. Do that. But Queesh LaDonte in no way "deserves" the same house I worked for just because he wants it. I worked for it. I risked my future for it. I should not be obliged to make sure he has the same as me. FUCK him. I don't care if he lives in a cardboard box and eats pigeon turds. He had the same chance to educate himself as I did.
I believe in the free market. Competition will solve the rest.
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You don't listen real good. Banks should have the ability to make reasonable business decisions based on rational criteria. The less government involvement the better.
Cannot coexist on principle with:
Bill Clinton’s administration that deregulated derivatives, that deregulated telecom, and that put our country’s only strong banking laws in the grave.
These two diatribes are contradictory as combinations of words can be.
You always confuse the issue until words don't mean what they mean anymore.
Stupid or liar? Which is it?
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Snagette's sister and her family lived just northeast of Atlanta for about 10 years up until 2008. Actually, I forget the name of the city, Acworth maybe. But it was hard to distinguish where "Atlanta" ended and anything else began. Anyway, we visited quite often and it became clear very quickly they were trying to build a home on every square inch of available real estate. And not just any homes. Hundreds upon hundreds of just badass, huge homes. I kept asking them how the hell are there that many people with that much money to be able to pay for $1 million....$2 million....$5 million dollah homes? The answer:
There aren't and they can't.
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Cannot coexist on principle with:
These two diatribes are contradictory as combinations of words can be.
You always confuse the issue until words don't mean what they mean anymore.
Stupid or liar? Which is it?
Well since I didn't write the second passage and merely pointed out that even the left is now forced to admit that Clinton sucked I don't see the issue.
My words are good.
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Well since I didn't write the second passage and merely pointed out that even the left is now forced to admit that Clinton sucked I don't see the issue.
My words are good.
So you admit that everything that article pointed out are things you actually LIKE about Clinton. They were conservative policies that you approve of and are principally on the same page as him.
That's not what you (or CCTAU) was trying to convey earlier...
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So you admit that everything that article pointed out are things you actually LIKE about Clinton. They were conservative policies that you approve of and are principally on the same page as him.
That's not what you (or CCTAU) was trying to convey earlier...
No. Not at all.
Don't have time to splain it to you.
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No. Not at all.
Don't have time to splain it to you.
Of course you don't. Probably like how Trump is supah smart but doesn't have time to express it.
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Its 2016. Is this really happening:
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=10869
HO.LY.FUCK.ING.SHIT.
All the Trump voters registered as Democrats and Independents filed complaints because Trump wasn't showing up on their ballots in a closed primary.
You can't make this unprecedented level of stupid up.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/03/15/ohio-florida-voters-rubio-kasich-home-states-lead.cnn
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Just want to say you specify Soro's 15 million and just vaguely say the Koch Brothers are also spending "millions".
$889 million. It's a pretty substantially more than 15 million.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html
I stand corrected. Would that mine be considered a business expense or miscellaneous tax write off?
All the Trump voters registered as Democrats and Independents filed complaints because Trump wasn't showing up on their ballots in a closed primary.You can't make this unprecedented level of stupid up.http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/03/15/ohio-florida-voters-rubio-kasich-home-states-lead.cnn
OMG! If insanity wasn't enough for those dolts, they simply skipped civics classes to smoke a joint.
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I suggest all of us get our souls right because the end is nye.
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Rubio suspends his campaign.
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Rubio suspends his campaign.
#wastedvote
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HO.LY.FUCK.ING.SHIT.
All the Trump voters registered as Democrats and Independents filed complaints because Trump wasn't showing up on their ballots in a closed primary.
You can't make this unprecedented level of stupid up.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/03/15/ohio-florida-voters-rubio-kasich-home-states-lead.cnn
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Wait, did someone say Trump was going to pull people to polls who has never voted before? I think I remember someone saying that.
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Wait, did someone say Trump was going to pull people to polls who has never voted before? I think I remember someone saying that.
They've voted before…for Democrats…
I remember someone saying that no Republican with any sense or principles possibly could for 41 pages of this thread.
Question: If Trump were a Hillary plant set up to destroy the Republican Party, how would he act differently? What better result could they have possibly been hoped for?
Ask yourselves that question.
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They've voted before…for Democrats…
I remember someone saying that no Republican with any since or principles possibly could for 41 pages of this thread.
Question: If Trump were a Hillary plant set up to destroy the Republican Party, how would he act differently? What better result could they have possibly been hoped for?
Ask yourselves that question.
If he's a plant, it's over for sure. If he isn't, he's pulling Dems to vote republican apparently.
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Turned to CNN for a bit. All they could talk about was how Trump has destroyed the Republican Party. How he obliterated it. And what can they possibly do at this point to stop him?
As K said earlier....what happened to the will of the people?
Why are you...as one of the leading news outlets in the world....laying out scenarios where Trump can be stopped? A more interesting study in the current state of much of the media and American public than a study of Trump supporters. Don't threaten us...
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TRUMP, CLINTON ROLL ON AS RUBIO'S RUN COMES TO AN END Frontrunners score impressive wins, Kasich moves on with Ohio victory
— so where does GOP go from here?
So look at the Foxnews headline. Why? Trump is running on the GOP ticket. What do you mean, where do they go from here? He's blowing everybody's doors in.
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For the record for the 1,000th time, I'm not a supporter of The Donald. But I have never seen anything like this. I've never seen a candidate probably less qualified than 99% of the candidates out there, just barnstorm this bitch with millions upon millions of supporters. Only to have such incredible push back from all media outlets, including those you would consider an ally to the Repubs.
"He's beating everyone's ass like a rented mule....how can we stop him?"
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Of course you don't. Probably like how Trump is supah smart but doesn't have time to express it.
I was going out the door to a concert and didn't have time to answer all your silliness.
Some of the things the article pointed out I didn't care about either way. Did he end welfare? I don't think so because it still exists. Did he deregulate the banks? I guess so, but that wasn't a big deal in my mind either. Apparently whoever wrote that article thought they were big hairy deals.
He did some good things I'm sure, but I'm not sure what they were.
I thought Clinton set America on the wrong path with the NAFTA agreement which, in my opinion, hastened the collapse of small town America and with it the community values, cooperative spirit and homegrown patriotism those small towns inspired. When I was a kid we knew the people who lived in our town. My parents knew the parents of my friends. We knew where they worked because we saw them every day leaving the mill, leaving the muffler plant, eating dinner at the local cafes, shopping at the local groceries and pharmacies. We had small town events like Christmas parades, Fourth of July celebrations that were true community events. People brought food. We socialized. We were all family in a way.
Now? Because of NAFTA much of that is gone. I live in a subdivision. I know some of the people here. Not many. We don't do anything together. They occasionally try, but nobody participates. I don't know the parents of my kids friends, I don't know what they do for a living. Most people are commuters to jobs somewhere else. I blame Clinton (to a large degree) and NAFTA for destroying those job-producing economic cornerstones of small town America. In its place is a corporate sameness everywhere. Chilis, Kohls, McDonalds, Dillards and Longhorn has replaced Pat's Diner, Stine Clothing, The Burger Joint, Earl's Department Store and Miss Katy's Restaurant. That's a bad bad thing.
I don't like Clinton's push to allow anybody with a pulse to purchase a house. That was going to be his legacy -- homes for e'erbody! Until it destroyed the economy.
So there are parts of that article with which I agree. Others that either don't matter to me or aren't as important as the left wing lunatic author of the piece believes them to be.
The big takeaway, and the point with which I agree completely, is that Clinton left a trail of destruction in his wake that will take decades to overcome. Much of that was at the behest or direction of the socialist shrew whore lying mommy part slut wife of his. I don't want that dragon beast anywhere near the White House.
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They've voted before…for Democrats…
I remember someone saying that no Republican with any sense or principles possibly could for 41 pages of this thread.
Question: If Trump were a Hillary plant set up to destroy the Republican Party, how would he act differently? What better result could they have possibly been hoped for?
Ask yourselves that question.
Hey, guess what? I don't give one single fuck about political parties. I wish there were no such thing. In a perfect world we'd vote for people based on their own personal beliefs and agendas not what some fucked up "party organization" told them they had to believe.
I don't care if Trump is a "Republican" or Hitlary the Whore Bitch is a "Democrat." I vote for who I think will do the best job ( or sadly enough, who will do the least damage in most cases).
I'd be just dandy if the party system was destroyed.
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Turned to CNN for a bit. All they could talk about was how Trump has destroyed the Republican Party. How he obliterated it. And what can they possibly do at this point to stop him?
As K said earlier....what happened to the will of the people?
Why are you...as one of the leading news outlets in the world....laying out scenarios where Trump can be stopped? A more interesting study in the current state of much of the media and American public than a study of Trump supporters. Don't threaten us...
CNN is shitting its pants terrified that Trump will win. So is MSNBC. And CBS. And NBC. And the New York Times. And al.com. The entire cesspool of liberal journalism is horrified that they can't bury this man like they have so many others. They can't throw trash on him and make it stick. Like they did with Ben Carson. And Herman Cain. And so many others.
Why can't they? Because Trump does not give a flying fuck in a wheelbarrow. He's divorced three times and once fucked a wildebeest in the ass cavity. So what? He's not going to apologize. He's not going to make some politically correct public statement about being sensitive to the needs of all wildebeest.
That's what people have been yearning for. A cowboy. A maverick. A man. Somebody who isn't afraid to look at Hitlary Clinton and shudder at how hideous she looks. Somebody who isn't afraid to call Rosie O'Donnel a fat bitch. Somebody who isn't scared to tell Jon Stewart to go fuck himself.
That's why he's winning. That's why the media is shrieking in panic. They'll come out with more shit on him. He won't give a shit, he'll tell them to stick it up their ass and more people will flock to his message.
We are tired of the political double talk. We're tired of people like Obama's lying ass talking out of both sides of his mouth, apologizing for being American and trying to make us like those so very successful (failing) European nations.
Too bad the other dipsticks in the race, people with good ideas like Cruz, haven't figured out what people want. Everything they complain about in regard to Trump is the very thing that endears him to much of the population.
You honestly want to know why I'd vote for Trump? Look at this shit right here:
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/03/anyone_but_trump_panama_city_b.html#incart_river_home
al.com went to Panama City, asked a grand total of 13 "students" about Trump. Only two were white, one of those wasn't even American. And those fuckers write a headline that reads:
Spring Breakers universally against Donald Trump. Yes. Because 11 ignorant black people, one white Brit and one drunk Okie say so. That's fucking universal.
I'd like to punch everyone in this video in the face. Then I'd like to start on al.com.
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CNN is shitting its pants terrified that Trump will win. So is MSNBC. And CBS. And NBC. And the New York Times. And al.com. The entire cesspool of liberal journalism is horrified that they can't bury this man like they have so many others. They can't throw trash on him and make it stick. Like they did with Ben Carson. And Herman Cain. And so many others.
Why can't they? Because Trump does not give a flying fuck in a wheelbarrow. He's divorced three times and once fucked a wildebeest in the ass cavity. So what? He's not going to apologize. He's not going to make some politically correct public statement about being sensitive to the needs of all wildebeest.
That's what people have been yearning for. A cowboy. A maverick. A man. Somebody who isn't afraid to look at Hitlary Clinton and shudder at how hideous she looks. Somebody who isn't afraid to call Rosie O'Donnel a fat bitch. Somebody who isn't scared to tell Jon Stewart to go fuck himself.
That's why he's winning. That's why the media is shrieking in panic. They'll come out with more shit on him. He won't give a shit, he'll tell them to stick it up their ass and more people will flock to his message.
We are tired of the political double talk. We're tired of people like Obama's lying ass talking out of both sides of his mouth, apologizing for being American and trying to make us like those so very successful (failing) European nations.
Too bad the other dipsticks in the race, people with good ideas like Cruz, haven't figured out what people want. Everything they complain about in regard to Trump is the very thing that endears him to much of the population.
You honestly want to know why I'd vote for Trump? Look at this shit right here:
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/03/anyone_but_trump_panama_city_b.html#incart_river_home
al.com went to Panama City, asked a grand total of 13 "students" about Trump. Only two were white, one of those wasn't even American. And those fuckers write a headline that reads:
Spring Breakers universally against Donald Trump. Yes. Because 11 ignorant black people, one white Brit and one drunk Okie say so. That's fucking universal.
I'd like to punch everyone in this video in the face. Then I'd like to start on al.com.
I had not heard about the wildebeest.
The more the media hates him, the more I support (not like) him.
Although it's fun to watch the fairies melt down (e.g. Chizad) most people still think that the popular vote is the end all. I'm seeing more and more indicators that Trump won't be nominated by the committee regardless of the primary outcome.
Hate it or not, that's the process and it's the RNC's decision. Not the primary voters.
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I'm seeing more and more indicators that Trump won't be nominated by the committee regardless of the primary outcome.
And that, not the nomination of Trump, will be the GOP's downfall.
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And that, not the nomination of Trump, will be the GOP's downfall.
Bingo
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Again, Trump sets a new precedent for lying. Blatantly contradicts himself in less than 5 minutes.
http://www.today.com/video/donald-trump-contradicts-himself-about-negative-ad-within-minutes-on-live-tv-645574723749
I know. You don't care. He "could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and (he) wouldn't lose voters".
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CNN is shitting its pants terrified that Trump will win. So is MSNBC. And CBS. And NBC. And the New York Times. And al.com.
And any sane and rational adult with a modicum of decency and respect for the office.
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Hey, guess what? I don't give one single fuck about political parties. I wish there were no such thing. In a perfect world we'd vote for people based on their own personal beliefs and agendas not what some fucked up "party organization" told them they had to believe.
I don't care if Trump is a "Republican" or Hitlary the Whore Bitch is a "Democrat." I vote for who I think will do the best job ( or sadly enough, who will do the least damage in most cases).
I'd be just dandy if the party system was destroyed.
If you believed that, you'd be campaigning for Gary Johnson with me.
I will vote for anyone who has a chance against her -- Trump, Saban, Manson, Kanye, a Kardashian, RuPaul
Just not the one guy who is going to actually be running who is not a despot. The only guy who is actually for the small government you claim to support.
THIS is the year that it could happen. Granted, in the past it was a pipe dream, but THIS year be the year that the most hated presidential candidate of all time goes up against the second most hated presidential candidate of all time (http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2016-02-26/the-most-hated-candidate). Gary Johnson is literally the last hope we have to stop this country from imploding on itself. He needs some limelight stat.
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Again, Trump sets a new precedent for lying. Blatantly contradicts himself in less than 5 minutes.
http://www.today.com/video/donald-trump-contradicts-himself-about-negative-ad-within-minutes-on-live-tv-645574723749
I know. You don't care. He "could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and (he) wouldn't lose voters".
I don't care. I really don't. They are ALL liars. Hitlary has never made a true statement in her life.
Trumps "lies"' come from just not giving enough of a fuck to carefully parse every word he says. He blurts out whatever is on his mind. Hers? They come from a misguided sense of moral and intellectual superiority. She lies because of her blatant contempt for all of us. She is the antichrist.
Trump could stand naked in Times Square shooting unicorns in the head with a shotgun welded to his nutsack and I wouldn't care at all. I will vote for him over Clinton. He could strut through Pittsburgh in a purple tutu indiscriminately clubbing ethnic babies in the forehead with a sock full of batteries. I would not care. Still better than Hilldawhore or Free Shit Sanders.
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If you believed that, you'd be campaigning for Gary Johnson with me.
Just not the one guy who is going to actually be running who is not a despot. The only guy who is actually for the small government you claim to support.
THIS is the year that it could happen. Granted, in the past it was a pipe dream, but THIS year be the year that the most hated presidential candidate of all time goes up against the second most hated presidential candidate of all time (http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2016-02-26/the-most-hated-candidate). Gary Johnson is literally the last hope we have to stop this country from imploding on itself. He needs some limelight stat.
I'm not shoving my vote up a wild hogs ass. He has zero chance of being elected. Zero.
All he will do is siphon off six or eight votes from whoever has an actual chance of denying that rotting pile of whore flesh the White House.
I want no part of that.
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And any sane and rational adult with a modicum of decency and respect for the office.
For the record? People like this are the very reason Trump is dominating.
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For the record? People like this are the very reason Trump is dominating.
Rational adults with a modicum of decency and respect for the office?
BURN THEM!!1!
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And that, not the nomination of Trump, will be the GOP's downfall.
I'm not so sure about this. Trump being elected could cause the downfall of the GOP as we know it. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, imo. Both parties have been hijacked by the same interests.
But, I really don't know where to classify Trump. If I had to put him in a party, it would be democrat. That's what he's claimed to be most of his life.
This thing is fun to watch but it is concerning. Right now, it doesn't look like Trump can beat Hillary. Polls can lie.
But, if not Trump, then who? I don't see anyone else capable of energizing a base, albeit a situation in which the current may electrocute some innocent bystanders in Trump's case.
This thing is looking more and more like one of those Tijuana donkey shows but with a less happy outcome.
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Rational adults with a modicum of decency and respect for the office?
BURN THEM!!1!
Nope. People who spout the arrogance and hate speech that brands anyone who disagrees with them as irrational or insane. Typical tactic of the snobbish left. Same kind of elitist shit that's been used for decades to push every minority agenda. Oppose gay marriage? You don't have a rational opinion based in your personal faith. You are a bigoted homophobe!!! Very Hitlary.
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I'm not shoving my vote up a wild hogs ass. He has zero chance of being elected. Zero.
All he will do is siphon off six or eight votes from whoever has an actual chance of denying that rotting pile of whore flesh the White House.
I want no part of that.
^^^This. And, anyone who is going to vote for "Gary Johnson", whoever Gary Johnson is, is wasting precious petroleum unless they walk to the polls. They should be sued and then beaten with a water hose.
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Rest In Peace To the Republican Party - Forbes
The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.
The GOP had been suffering from hopeless internal divisiveness brought on by multiple sectors internally all claiming to be the “real conservatives†and no one ready to agree on a unifying theme. The party stopped breathing because of demographics that were stacked against it and its inability to adjust to a different America demographically, culturally, and having a worldview that didn’t recognize new global realities.
What accelerated its demise, however, was the consistent victories and accumulation of delegates by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump. Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.†Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.
Party officials made last ditch efforts to revive the dying party but primary voters granted Trump victories in key states like Florida, Illinois and North Carolina. Given that Trump ran a campaign against party officials, eschewed the services of GOP policy elite advisors, ignored the role of campaign consultants, and—according to many party leaders—most likely did not believe much (if any) of the things he was saying, any effort by GOP establishment to stop Trump was doomed before it really began.
“How do you deny the nomination to someone who actually comes to the party’s convention with the most votes? Are we a party that respects votes or a party that bows to its elites?†said one Trump supporter.
But several of those party elites reiterated that “We just cannot go into this general election with a nominee who attacks Hispanics, Muslims, foreign nations, women and more.†Others noted that they simply cannot support Trump as a Republican candidate. Ironically, sources said, the very group—notably Millennials—who were not necessarily enthusiastic about likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would probably raise their intensity level to vote against Trump.
In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.â€
The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,†angry whites who just could not adjust to change.
Calling hours will held in Cleveland July 18-21.
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I may be dead wrong about this, especially since Hillary Clinton is a damaged candidate and the GOP has strong state parties that control the majority of state governorships and legislatures.
But after March 15, it appears that the GOP is heading towards some serious bloodletting. There may be some efforts to sit down and “make deals†with Donald Trump, but he has said a lot of things about a lot of people—and those statements are simply not going away. - John Zogby, Contributor
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#34bf35756fe3 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#34bf35756fe3)
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Rest In Peace To the Republican Party - Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#34bf35756fe3 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#34bf35756fe3)
Beware the Ides of March.
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FUCK Forbes. And FUCK John Zigby or whatever his pussified bitch name is.
More left wing horse shit hand wringing.
Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.†Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.
This is such pandering BULLSHIT. Has nothing to do with people who are not like us. Has everything to do with minority values being shoved down the majority's throat. Don't want Sharia law? You're a Islamophobe!!! Expect Americans to adopt American ways of life and speak fucking English? You're a bigot!! Racist fuck!!! Disagree with gay marriage because your faith says it's wrong? You can't believe that, you ignoramus!!! You're a caveman!! Fuck you!!! Hate the shitty way Obamacare operates? Loathe the burden it puts on small business? Fear the eroding standards of medical care it will certainly bring? You don't give a fuck about the homeless!! You don't care about poor people!!!
FUCK the attitude expressed by Forbes and fuck anyone who subscribes to it. With a yeti dick.
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Nope. People who spout the arrogance and hate speech that brands anyone who disagrees with them as irrational or insane. Typical tactic of the snobbish left. Same kind of elitist shit that's been used for decades to push every minority agenda. Oppose gay marriage? You don't have a rational opinion based in your personal faith. You are a bigoted homophobe!!! Very Hitlary.
For someone who so loathes the behavior of the crimson horde, you are quick to embrace a man who champions such boorish behavior.
You're an odd duck.
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For someone who so loathes the behavior of the crimson horde, you are quick to embrace a man who champions such boorish behavior.
You're an odd duck.
It's very crimson horde-ish to degrade and ridicule anybody who doesn't believe as they delusionally do.
Quack.
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It's very crimson horde-ish to degrade and ridicule anybody who doesn't believe as they delusionally do.
Quack.
It's not as though there is a difference in substantive political opinion being discussed here, the debate is over the character and fitness of Trump for the office of the presidency.
The sane and rational fear his potential presidency.
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For someone who so loathes the behavior of the crimson horde, you are quick to embrace a man who champions such boorish behavior.
You're an odd duck.
For me anyway, I'm not embracing the man at all. That kind of thing is for you and Chizzy. But, I do embrace the fact that he's an outsider (by today's standard) and seemingly beholden to no one.
And, I do like some of his ideas. I like the wall. I like revisiting trade deals. I even like some of the rhetoric about bombing the shit out of the terrorists. Yeah, I fell for that line.
I'm tired of seeing all the young men missing limbs and worrying about Ahkmed leaving a back pack outside of JHS.
If that makes me an angry voter, then so be it. I really don't even like the man. I've hated him for years. But I can separate my personal feeling about his personality and business practices and make my own business decision. And his stances are a whole lot more closely aligned with my own that Hillary or the commie.
Do I wish it were someone else? Sure. But, it isn't.
It's really not even a tough decision.
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It's not as though there is a difference in substantive political opinion being discussed here, the debate is over the character and fitness of Trump for the office of the presidency.
The sane and rational fear his potential presidency.
This is a most excellent point.
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It's not as though there is a difference in substantive political opinion being discussed here, the debate is over the character and fitness of Trump for the office of the presidency.
The sane and rational fear his potential presidency.
It's more sane and more rational to fear the potential of the antichrist, Hillary Clinton.
Therefore.
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It's more sane and more rational to fear the potential of the antichrist, Hillary Clinton.
Therefore.
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For me anyway, I'm not embracing the man at all. That kind of thing is for you and Chizzy. But, I do embrace the fact that he's an outsider (by today's standard) and seemingly beholden to no one.
And, I do like some of his ideas. I like the wall. I like revisiting trade deals. I even like some of the rhetoric about bombing the shit out of the terrorists. Yeah, I fell for that line.
I'm tired of seeing all the young men missing limbs and worrying about Ahkmed leaving a back pack outside of JHS.
If that makes me an angry voter, then so be it. I really don't even like the man. I've hated him for years. But I can separate my personal feeling about his personality and business practices and make my own business decision. And his stances are a whole lot more closely aligned with my own that Hillary or the commie.
Do I wish it were someone else? Sure. But, it isn't.
It's really not even a tough decision.
There's some misguided notion here that I'm SuperTrump and running his Alabama campaign. I don't really like the guy all that much. I think he's a clown in a lot of ways. I didn't even vote for him in the primary.
But given the alternates?
Bitchlary, whom I personally and honestly think is one of the most evil people alive? I'm not kidding when I say she's the antichrist. I have that much loathing and revulsion for her, her lies, her contempt for this country and the military and her blatant appetite for power which reigns over her desire to serve.
Free Shit Sanders whose egg-headed policies would destroy what's left of the country?
I'd rather vote for the face-eating chimpanzee than either of them.
So I go back to "who can defeat them in the general election, because no matter what those two clowns have to be stopped."
Punkrio? He's a little twerp. And he's out of the race. He can't stop them.
Prayerful Cruz who has some good ideas but always looks like he's about to hand me a pamphlet on my front porch and tell me about the good news. He looks like he feels sad for me because I'm not quite as pious as he is. That's not going to translate well. I don't think he's strong enough or has the personal magnetism to bring in the states that are crucial to defeating those two: Florida, Ohio and either New York, Pennsylvania or New Jersey.
Whoever runs against them will have to draw voters with passion. Cruz? Can't do it.
Kasich? Johnson? Doesn't matter what they are about, or what they could do. They can't win. Combined they couldn't win. If you merged them both together into one single human and give them a cyborg body with a computer brain and they couldn't win.
So who does that leave? Who can possibly win New York? Who can possibly win Florida, New Jersey and Ohio? Who does that bellowing shrew bitch truly fear? Who does the media cower from?
Trump.
And that's where I am.
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There's some misguided notion here that I'm SuperTrump and running his Alabama campaign. I don't really like the guy all that much. I think he's a clown in a lot of ways. I didn't even vote for him in the primary.
But given the alternates?
Bitchlary, whom I personally and honestly think is one of the most evil people alive? I'm not kidding when I say she's the antichrist. I have that much loathing and revulsion for her, her lies, her contempt for this country and the military and her blatant appetite for power which reigns over her desire to serve.
Free Shit Sanders whose egg-headed policies would destroy what's left of the country?
I'd rather vote for the face-eating chimpanzee than either of them.
So I go back to "who can defeat them in the general election, because no matter what those two clowns have to be stopped."
Punkrio? He's a little twerp. And he's out of the race. He can't stop them.
Prayerful Cruz who has some good ideas but always looks like he's about to hand me a pamphlet on my front porch and tell me about the good news. He looks like he feels sad for me because I'm not quite as pious as he is. That's not going to translate well. I don't think he's strong enough or has the personal magnetism to bring in the states that are crucial to defeating those two: Florida, Ohio and either New York, Pennsylvania or New Jersey.
Whoever runs against them will have to draw voters with passion. Cruz? Can't do it.
Kasich? Johnson? Doesn't matter what they are about, or what they could do. They can't win. Combined they couldn't win. If you merged them both together into one single human and give them a cyborg body with a computer brain and they couldn't win.
So who does that leave? Who can possibly win New York? Who can possibly win Florida, New Jersey and Ohio? Who does that bellowing shrew bitch truly fear? Who does the media cower from?
Trump.
And that's where I am.
No one can beat Saban.
Congrats, you're a bammer.
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No one can beat Saban.
Congrats, you're a bammer.
Of all the dumbness that has permeated this thread, this is the dumbest comment of all.
Clinton is Saban. She is Satan. I'm looking for the one who can drive a stake through her political heart.
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FUCK Forbes. And FUCK John Zigby or whatever his pussified bitch name is.
More left wing horse shit hand wringing.
Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.†Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.
This is such pandering BULLSHIT. Has nothing to do with people who are not like us. Has everything to do with minority values being shoved down the majority's throat. Don't want Sharia law? You're a Islamophobe!!! Expect Americans to adopt American ways of life and speak fucking English? You're a bigot!! Racist fuck!!! Disagree with gay marriage because your faith says it's wrong? You can't believe that, you ignoramus!!! You're a caveman!! Fuck you!!! Hate the shitty way Obamacare operates? Loathe the burden it puts on small business? Fear the eroding standards of medical care it will certainly bring? You don't give a fuck about the homeless!! You don't care about poor people!!!
FUCK the attitude expressed by Forbes and fuck anyone who subscribes to it. With a yeti dick.
FUCKIN LAMESTREAM LIBRUHL FORBES MAGAZINE! FUCKIN HIPPY ASSED FOX NEWS! GODDAMN PINKO FAGGOT NATIONAL REVIEW! KNOW-IT-ALL BETA MALES AT THE FEDERALIST! GO BACK TO ISIS WASHINGTON TIMES! DAMN THEE TO HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE SOCIALIST WEEKLY STANDARD!
AND YOU TOO PAUL RYAN AND YOU TOO MITT ROMNEY AND YOU TOO JOHN MCCAIN AND YOU TOO BILL KRISTOL AND YOU TOO AND GEORGE WILL AND MEGYN KELLY AND LINDSEY GRAHAM AND RICK WILSON AND KARL ROVE AND BEN STEIN AND GLENN BECK AND ERICK ERICKSON AND STEVE DEACE AND JOHN PODHORETZ AND THOMAS SOWELL AND ALL YOU OTHER FAGGOT HIPPIE LIBRUHLS!
Everyone knows the only REAL Republican is the one who just became one in 2016 and is pro-choice, pro-assault weapons ban, pro-eminent domain, pro-raising taxes on the rich, pro-single payer healthcare, pro-tarrifs, anti-free trade, anti-free speech, pro-any fucking government program he can dream up, pro guest worker visas unless he isn't unless he is who continuously lies, flip flops, and flat out doesn't even know his own policies.
That's the REAL Republican, not those other pussies. The one who's left of Hillary Clinton on every issue imaginable except bombing the shit out of the brownskins, even though she is probably the most hawkish democrat in memory. She said she'd "totally obliterate" Iran if it attacked Israel, so she's right up there with Trump, except less completely ignorant about what the fuck she's talking about. And I'm still not voting for her either.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/16/what-people-who-ruin-steak-like-donald-trump-have-in-common/?client=safari#
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John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are the primary reasons the GOP is imploding. Their gutless "leadership" pissed off the voters on the right and now we have the result of that anger in the form of Trump and Cruz.
Good for them. Now if we could only get the democrats to burn their house down as well. When a crooked lying unethical psychopath and a communist are the best your party can put forth as candidates, maybe throwing rocks at the other side isn't in your best interest. Sweep your own porch.
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FUCKIN LAMESTREAM LIBRUHL FORBES MAGAZINE! FUCKIN HIPPY ASSED FOX NEWS! GODDAMN PINKO FAGGOT NATIONAL REVIEW! KNOW-IT-ALL BETA MALES AT THE FEDERALIST! GO BACK TO ISIS WASHINGTON TIMES! DAMN THEE TO HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE SOCIALIST WEEKLY STANDARD!
AND YOU TOO PAUL RYAN AND YOU TOO MITT ROMNEY AND YOU TOO JOHN MCCAIN AND YOU TOO BILL KRISTOL AND YOU TOO AND GEORGE WILL AND MEGYN KELLY AND LINDSEY GRAHAM AND RICK WILSON AND KARL ROVE AND BEN STEIN AND GLENN BECK AND ERICK ERICKSON AND STEVE DEACE AND JOHN PODHORETZ AND THOMAS SOWELL AND ALL YOU OTHER FAGGOT HIPPIE LIBRUHLS!
Everyone knows the only REAL Republican is the one who just became one in 2016 and is pro-choice, pro-assault weapons ban, pro-eminent domain, pro-raising taxes on the rich, pro-single payer healthcare, pro-tarrifs, anti-free trade, anti-free speech, pro-any fucking government program he can dream up, pro guest worker visas unless he isn't unless he is who continuously lies, flip flops, and flat out doesn't even know his own policies.
That's the REAL Republican, not those other pussies. The one who's left of Hillary Clinton on every issue imaginable except bombing the shit out of the brownskins, even though she is probably the most hawkish democrat in memory. She said she'd "totally obliterate" Iran if it attacked Israel, so she's right up there with Trump, except less completely ignorant about what the fuck she's talking about. And I'm still not voting for her either.
Once again, I don't care about parties or affiliations. I don't give the first damn who's a "real" Republican.
I care about denying the antichrist the White House. If she were a Republican, I'd be looking for democratic party alternatives. She's not.
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Once again, I don't care about parties or affiliations. I don't give the first damn who's a "real" Republican.
I care about denying the antichrist the White House. If she were a Republican, I'd be looking for democratic party alternatives. She's not.
Which is why you just called conservative editorial Forbes magazine a liberal rag two posts ago, which is what my post was a direct response to.
Keep shifting the goal post.
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Which is why you just called conservative editorial Forbes magazine a liberal rag two posts ago, which is what my post was a direct response to.
Keep shifting the goal post.
You keep whining, he keeps winning...
Don't need goalposts when you go for two and get it every time!
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Which is why you just called conservative editorial Forbes magazine a liberal rag two posts ago, which is what my post was a direct response to.
Keep shifting the goal post.
The position taken by the Forbes author was flamingly liberal/left. Perhaps you need to look at your own goal posts.
In that piece he echoed every single liberal/left talking point:
1)Conservatives are a bunch of scared old white men
2) We don't care about the poor
3) We're bigots, racists and homophobes
4) We are against people getting healthcare
Every ounce of that comes from the Hitlary playbook.
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There's some misguided notion here that I'm SuperTrump and running his Alabama campaign. I don't really like the guy all that much. I think he's a clown in a lot of ways. I didn't even vote for him in the primary.
But given the alternates?
Bitchlary, whom I personally and honestly think is one of the most evil people alive? I'm not kidding when I say she's the antichrist. I have that much loathing and revulsion for her, her lies, her contempt for this country and the military and her blatant appetite for power which reigns over her desire to serve.
Free Shit Sanders whose egg-headed policies would destroy what's left of the country?
I'd rather vote for the face-eating chimpanzee than either of them.
So I go back to "who can defeat them in the general election, because no matter what those two clowns have to be stopped."
Punkrio? He's a little twerp. And he's out of the race. He can't stop them.
Prayerful Cruz who has some good ideas but always looks like he's about to hand me a pamphlet on my front porch and tell me about the good news. He looks like he feels sad for me because I'm not quite as pious as he is. That's not going to translate well. I don't think he's strong enough or has the personal magnetism to bring in the states that are crucial to defeating those two: Florida, Ohio and either New York, Pennsylvania or New Jersey.
Whoever runs against them will have to draw voters with passion. Cruz? Can't do it.
Kasich? Johnson? Doesn't matter what they are about, or what they could do. They can't win. Combined they couldn't win. If you merged them both together into one single human and give them a cyborg body with a computer brain and they couldn't win.
So who does that leave? Who can possibly win New York? Who can possibly win Florida, New Jersey and Ohio? Who does that bellowing shrew bitch truly fear? Who does the media cower from?
Trump.
And that's where I am.
I swear you use your mouth better than a $20 whore sometimes.
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The position taken by the Forbes author was flamingly liberal/left. Perhaps you need to look at your own goal posts.
In that piece he echoed every single liberal/left talking point:
1)Conservatives are a bunch of scared old white men
2) We don't care about the poor
3) We're bigots, racists and homophobes
4) We are against people getting healthcare
Every ounce of that comes from the Hitlary playbook.
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He said TRUMP SUPPORTERS who are fissuring the party BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT Conservatives.
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Oh sir, the Chizad of Johnsonville took on the Kaos of Trumpton. And in the end, the Kaos triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory.
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Oh sir, the Chizad of Johnsonville took on the Kaos of Trumpton. And in the end, the Kaos triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory.
I am sure you could find a third name.
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It's not as though there is a difference in substantive political opinion being discussed here, the debate is over the character and fitness of Trump for the office of the presidency.
The sane and rational fear his potential presidency.
Read this elsewhere but I like it:
The republican Establishment wants to SELECT a candidate that will pull the levers in their favor - in favor of special interest "debts" that are owed. The republican Voters want to ELECT a candidate that will pull the levers on a bulldozer.
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He said TRUMP SUPPORTERS who are fissuring the party BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT Conservatives.
Perhaps you should read more better?
This is the piece I referred to:
The GOP had been suffering from hopeless internal divisiveness brought on by multiple sectors internally all claiming to be the “real conservatives†and no one ready to agree on a unifying theme. The party stopped breathing because of demographics that were stacked against it and its inability to adjust to a different America demographically, culturally, and having a worldview that didn’t recognize new global realities.
What accelerated its demise, however, was the consistent victories and accumulation of delegates by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump. Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.†Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.
Obviously the guy is mocking Trump and demonizing his supporters with his sly little digs. If you think he actually talked to "Trump supporters" or "party officials" while crafting this farcical piece then you should have your voting rights stripped away.
He was trying to make a funny and get his shots in. You fell for it.
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Perhaps you should read more better?
This is the piece I referred to:
The GOP had been suffering from hopeless internal divisiveness brought on by multiple sectors internally all claiming to be the “real conservatives†and no one ready to agree on a unifying theme. The party stopped breathing because of demographics that were stacked against it and its inability to adjust to a different America demographically, culturally, and having a worldview that didn’t recognize new global realities.
What accelerated its demise, however, was the consistent victories and accumulation of delegates by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump. Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.†Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.
Obviously the guy is mocking Trump and demonizing his supporters with his sly little digs. If you think he actually talked to "Trump supporters" or "party officials" while crafting this farcical piece then you should have your voting rights stripped away.
He was trying to make a funny and get his shots in. You fell for it.
I get it. You're still wrong (again).
You're trying to move the goal posts again, but they're cemented.
He's not talking about the GOP Establishment. He's talking about Trump and those who support him. It is clear in the text that was written. No reading between the lines necessary.
The only one falling for anything is you and everyone else falling for Trump's obvious scam to run as a Republican when nothing the man represents remotely resembles conservatism. But morons will vote for him as long as he's running against Hillary, especially if there's an R after his name.
Hook, line, and sinker.
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http://youtu.be/zWlUgI4cB4M
"Go to fuckin Auschwitz!!!"
Wooo, ragh taghd, go Trump!! Wooooooo!!
Yup, cream of the crop...Smh
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http://youtu.be/zWlUgI4cB4M
"Go to fuckin Auschwitz!!!"
Wooo, ragh taghd, go Trump!! Wooooooo!!
Yup, cream of the crop...Smh
Which comedy show assisted you with this insightful response?
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http://youtu.be/zWlUgI4cB4M
"Go to fuckin Auschwitz!!!"
Wooo, ragh taghd, go Trump!! Wooooooo!!
Yup, cream of the crop...Smh
Field pieces from Daily Show alums certainly isn't helping the cause. Know your audience.
And actually, for the first time I had a little bit of sympathy for Trump supporters. That was the first time I ever heard anyone speak eloquently out loud in reverence of the man. Every time they sounded like they were about to make a valid point about political correctness run amok (something I've said numerous times in here I agree on), they sharply edited the video to cut to Sam making a face. Comedy gold, there.
I guess that video did teach me that Trump fans REALLY ARE analogous to Bammers. For every 500 or so toothless, brainless, ignoramuses, there's one pretentious prick Gay Telese or one of these guys:
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It's funny to me that the Democratic Party has feasted on the welfare stricken and uneducated vote for the last 8 years (if not longer) but now they are pissed because Trump is doing the same with an R next to his name. Am I the only one who remembers the bitch on TV when Obama was elected saying she never thought she'd see the day when she wouldn't have to pay her mortgage? Where the fuck were y'all then with your outrage?
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It's funny to me that the Democratic Party has feasted on the welfare stricken and uneducated vote for the last 8 years (if not longer) but now they are pissed because Trump is doing the same with an R next to his name. Am I the only one who remembers the bitch on TV when Obama was elected saying she never thought she'd see the day when she wouldn't have to pay her mortgage? Where the fuck were y'all then with your outrage?
Hoping and changing, baby. Hoping and changing.
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It's funny to me that the Democratic Party has feasted on the welfare stricken and uneducated vote for the last 8 years (if not longer) but now they are pissed because Trump is doing the same with an R next to his name. Am I the only one who remembers the bitch on TV when Obama was elected saying she never thought she'd see the day when she wouldn't have to pay her mortgage? Where the fuck were y'all then with your outrage?
You can't be outraged and in line for free shit at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
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http://youtu.be/zWlUgI4cB4M
"Go to fuckin Auschwitz!!!"
Wooo, ragh taghd, go Trump!! Wooooooo!!
Yup, cream of the crop...Smh
Am I the only one who noticed that brother talked like he white?
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Can't understand why everyone's painting Trump and his supporters as racists!?!?
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Nice tats.
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Can't understand why everyone's painting Trump and his supporters as racists!?!?
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Nice tats.
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Know your audience...lol
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That bitch and her non colored soda.
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Sorry if this was already posted...
http://youtu.be/Ciavyc6bE7A
I brought the popcorn
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This shit is funny.
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That bitch and her non colored soda.
WHITE SODA!!!
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Mr. Trump who is your foreign policy advisor, who are you speaking with? "I'm speaking with myself first and foremost, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things...I talked about Osama bin Laden...so I know things. I mean I talk to other people to and I have some other people that I talk to about certain things, but first and foremost I talk to myself."
http://youtu.be/xWU5B-EzTC0
We're fucked.
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Mr. Trump who is your foreign policy advisor, who are you speaking with? "I'm speaking with myself first and foremost, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things...I talked about Osama bin Laden...so I know things. I mean I talk to other people to and I have some other people that I talk to about certain things, but first and foremost I talk to myself."
http://youtu.be/xWU5B-EzTC0
We're fucked.
Did you listen? No problem with that. He's not going to govern by committee. Will consult with people and make up his own mind.
Right about the cost of war. Right about destroying ISIS. Right about Afghanistan debacle breaking the Soviet Union. Right about the need to build this crumbling country.
We are significantly less fucked with this than with giveaway sanders or the antichrist.
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Did you listen? No problem with that. He's not going to govern by committee. Will consult with people and make up his own mind.
Right about the cost of war. Right about destroying ISIS. Right about Afghanistan debacle breaking the Soviet Union. Right about the need to build this crumbling country.
We are significantly less fucked with this than with giveaway sanders or the antichrist.
You can't argue with him. he is hoping to stay in school for life on Bernie's dime. he's had almost 8 years of the black santa claus, now hes coming back to the old white guy...
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You can't argue with him. he is hoping to stay in school for life on Bernie's dime. he's had almost 8 years of the black santa claus, now hes coming back to the old white guy...
Yeah. I'm about to give up on this thread. Nobody is going to listen.
You've got a few people who can't see past "real republican" as if that matters at all.
Some who focus on trump's "lies" while ignoring the fact that every word the bitchichrist utters is a falsehood and that her lies have gotten people killed.
Some who don't understand that nothing is free. Somebody pays. But they don't care as long as it isn't them.
Several who are such delusional elitist snobs that they think anyone who doesn't agree with them is intellectually, morally and perceptively inferior. They think they own the concept of rational thought unaware that they look and sound like idiots themselves with their uninformed and short sighted viewpoints.
A circle of closed minds. So many without the life experiences to have true wisdom and the ability to think past the end of their noses. It grows tiresome.
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Mr. Trump who is your foreign policy advisor, who are you speaking with? "I'm speaking with myself first and foremost, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things...I talked about Osama bin Laden...so I know things. I mean I talk to other people to and I have some other people that I talk to about certain things, but first and foremost I talk to myself."
http://youtu.be/xWU5B-EzTC0
We're fucked.
We have been for the last 8 years (and with current establishment will continue), didn't seem to bother you then?
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Yeah. I'm about to give up on this thread. Nobody is going to listen.
You've got a few people who can't see past "real republican" as if that matters at all.
Some who focus on trump's "lies" while ignoring the fact that every word the bitchichrist utters is a falsehood and that her lies have gotten people killed.
Some who don't understand that nothing is free. Somebody pays. But they don't care as long as it isn't them.
Several who are such delusional elitist snobs that they think anyone who doesn't agree with them is intellectually, morally and perceptively inferior. They think they own the concept of rational thought unaware that they look and sound like idiots themselves with their uninformed and short sighted viewpoints.
A circle of closed minds. So many without the life experiences to have true wisdom and the ability to think past the end of their noses. It grows tiresome.
I'm not giving up. I say that we should bomb the shit out of them.
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I'm not giving up. I say that we should bomb the shit out of them.
We gotta' take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
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We gotta' take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Somebody said the stork had brain damage.
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Somebody said the stork had brain damage.
And most recently of all, a "Roman Toga Party" was held from which we have received more than two dozen reports of individual acts of perversion SO profound and disgusting that decorum prohibits listing them here.
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And most recently of all, a "Roman Toga Party" was held from which we have received more than two dozen reports of individual acts of perversion SO profound and disgusting that decorum prohibits listing them here.
We're not gonna sit here and listen to you Bad mouth the United States of America!!!!!!
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We're not gonna sit here and listen to you Bad mouth the United States of America!!!!!!
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I thought he was pre-med.
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I thought he was pre-med.
COUGHCOUGH(blowjob)COUGHCOUGH
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW1wdqwTkcA
Nice country you've got there...be a shame if somethin were to...happen to it...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW1wdqwTkcA
Nice country you've got there...be a shame if somethin were to...happen to it...
So a riot to make him stop speaking is ok, got that.
Once again I will say, Donald is overlord of the Douches, but your girl gets elected and Washington corruption will increase 1000%. The military which is already reeling from 8 years of democratic cutting and slashing will become non-existent. When we become Greece will your side be happy?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW1wdqwTkcA
Nice country you've got there...be a shame if somethin were to...happen to it...
Babs? I want you to do something for me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW1wdqwTkcA
Nice country you've got there...be a shame if somethin were to...happen to it...
Someone should send the same memo to George Soros.
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The military which is already reeling from 8 years of democratic cutting and slashing will become non-existent.
That right fucking there is why I won't vote for a Clinton. When Bill was in office my USMCR unit got exactly 3 fucking bullets in a 4 year period for us to use at the range (even though in the reserves, your rifle score is good for 3 years).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW1wdqwTkcA
Nice country you've got there...be a shame if somethin were to...happen to it...
He's right. He does represent a lot of people who voted for him. More than any other Republican candidate. And if the GOP fucks him over...LIKE HE PRETTY MUCH SAID THEY WOULD TRY TO DO FROM THE START...then shit will be bad. I don't think he is talking about riots like Ferguson riots as you would have the media believe he is, but shit would get ugly. And rightfully so if the GOP says, "Fuck it, we are going to do whatever the fuck we want to do regardless of what the voters say"...
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That right fucking there is why I won't vote for a Clinton. When Bill was in office my USMCR unit got exactly 3 fucking bullets in a 4 year period for us to use at the range (even though in the reserves, your rifle score is good for 3 years).
101st Airborne (Rapid deployment force mid 90's), my unit was at 62% strength. We had a deployment alert, load up went to airport to fly out. No fuel for planes. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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He's right. He does represent a lot of people who voted for him. More than any other Republican candidate. And if the GOP fucks him over...LIKE HE PRETTY MUCH SAID THEY WOULD TRY TO DO FROM THE START...then shit will be bad. I don't think he is talking about riots like Ferguson riots as you would have the media believe he is, but shit would get ugly. And rightfully so if the GOP says, "Fuck it, we are going to do whatever the fuck we want to do regardless of what the voters say"...
If they fuck him out of the nomination I think a lot of GOP voters stay home in key states. Hillary wins easy and I'll never vote republican again. (Which means I'll never vote again)
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So a riot to make him stop speaking is ok, got that.
Once again I will say, Donald is overlord of the Douches, but your girl gets elected and Washington corruption will increase 1000%. The military which is already reeling from 8 years of democratic cutting and slashing will become non-existent. When we become Greece will your side be happy?
"My girl" who I similarly loathe and am certainly not voting for? Ok.
But yeah, perfectly logical to predict Hillary will abolish the US military. Perfectly reasonable to assume. The former secretary of state who voted to invade Iraq in 2001, basically made the call to invade Libya, has promised to escalate wars in Syria & Iraq, authorized drone strikes, said she "will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon," and would "totally obliterate" them if they attacked Israel...
She said this in one interview with ABC in December:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-winning-fight-isis/story?id=35585947
"We have to fight them in the air, we have to fight them on the ground, and we have to fight them on the Internet, and we have to do everything we can with our friends and partners to protect ourselves."
"I think we need a new update of military authorization, the AUMF [The Authorization for Use of Military Force], which was passed after the attack on 9/11."
"I think what we want to do is make sure we have every tool at our disposal to destroy their would be caliphate in Syria and in Iraq. Number two, do everything we can to dismantle this very effective, virtual, jihadist network that they are using on the Internet. And number three, do whatever is necessary to protect us here at home".
Said these things during the course of one debate last November:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clintons-10-most-hawkish-moments-from-the-democratic-debate-20151114
1. ISIS is a "barbaric, ruthless, violent, jihadist terrorist group." —Clinton in her opening statement
2. "It cannot be contained, it must be defeated." —Clinton on ISIS, again
3. "Turkey and the Gulf States are going to have to make up their minds: Are they going to stand with us to [confront] this jihadi terrorism, or not?" —Clinton on the commitment of regional allies to defeating ISIS
4. "Of all of the Arab leaders, Gadaffi had more blood of Americans on his hands than anybody else." —Clinton on why regime change was justified in Libya
5. "I think we're at war with jihadists…. You can talk about Islamists who are also jihadists." — Clinton on whether America is at war with radical Islam
6. "So barbaric and so vicious that it doesn't seem to have any purpose other than lust for killing and power." —Clinton, on ISIS again
7. "We have an authorization to use military force." —Clinton insisting that the congressional vote in 2001 to go after Al Qaeda is sufficient for a president to wage war on ISIS. (She added that she'd like to "upgrade" that authorization.)
8. "We have problems with Russia." —Clinton citing the risk of Russian drone submarines capable of carrying nuclear weapons
9. "I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is." —Clinton on why Wall Street has supported her with campaign contributions
10. "I took the chance to tell the president… to bring Bin Laden to justice." —Clinton on her hardest choice
There's of course tons more shit like this because of all the awful things you can say about Hillary, and there are plenty to choose from, being a Neville Chamberlain is not one of them if you're living in reality.
And yeah, it's "already reeling" alright.
(https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie%2C_2015_enacted_large.png)
We only spend more than THE NEXT 12 STRONGEST MILITARIES IN THE WORLD COMBINED.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/0119b809fd06c87d63898e31951edb94.png)
Imagine the horror if we cut it by 2/3rds and still had the biggest strongest military in the entire world and had roughly $450 billion dollars back in taxes! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
You people are completely divorced from reality and facts.
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"My girl" who I similarly loathe and am certainly not voting for? Ok.
But yeah, perfectly logical to predict Hillary will abolish the US military. Perfectly reasonable to assume. The former secretary of state who voted to invade Iraq in, basically made the call to invade Libya, has promised to escalate wars in Syria & Iraq, said she "will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon," and would "totally obliterate" them if they attacked Israel,
She said this in one interview with ABC in December:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-winning-fight-isis/story?id=35585947
"We have to fight them in the air, we have to fight them on the ground, and we have to fight them on the Internet, and we have to do everything we can with our friends and partners to protect ourselves."
"I think we need a new update of military authorization, the AUMF [The Authorization for Use of Military Force], which was passed after the attack on 9/11."
"I think what we want to do is make sure we have every tool at our disposal to destroy their would be caliphate in Syria and in Iraq. Number two, do everything we can to dismantle this very effective, virtual, jihadist network that they are using on the Internet. And number three, do whatever is necessary to protect us here at home".
Said these things during the course of one debate last November:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clintons-10-most-hawkish-moments-from-the-democratic-debate-20151114
1. ISIS is a "barbaric, ruthless, violent, jihadist terrorist group." —Clinton in her opening statement
2. "It cannot be contained, it must be defeated." —Clinton on ISIS, again
3. "Turkey and the Gulf States are going to have to make up their minds: Are they going to stand with us to [confront] this jihadi terrorism, or not?" —Clinton on the commitment of regional allies to defeating ISIS
4. "Of all of the Arab leaders, Gadaffi had more blood of Americans on his hands than anybody else." —Clinton on why regime change was justified in Libya
5. "I think we're at war with jihadists…. You can talk about Islamists who are also jihadists." — Clinton on whether America is at war with radical Islam
6. "So barbaric and so vicious that it doesn't seem to have any purpose other than lust for killing and power." —Clinton, on ISIS again
7. "We have an authorization to use military force." —Clinton insisting that the congressional vote in 2001 to go after Al Qaeda is sufficient for a president to wage war on ISIS. (She added that she'd like to "upgrade" that authorization.)
8. "We have problems with Russia." —Clinton citing the risk of Russian drone submarines capable of carrying nuclear weapons
9. "I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is." —Clinton on why Wall Street has supported her with campaign contributions
10. "I took the chance to tell the president… to bring Bin Laden to justice." —Clinton on her hardest choice
There's of course tons more shit like this because of all the awful things you can say about Hillary, and there are plenty to choose from, being a Neville Chamberlain is not one of them if you're living in reality.
And yeah, it's "already reeling" alright.
(https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie%2C_2015_enacted_large.png)
We only spend more than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD COMBINED.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/0119b809fd06c87d63898e31951edb94.png)
Imagine the horror if we cut it by 2/3rds and still had the biggest strongest military in the entire world and had a trillion dollars back in taxes! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
You people are completely divorced from reality and facts.
My bad, cause she said it must be true. :facepalm:
Our military is quickly becoming a Trojan horse(Just like under Carter and Clinton). I have old military buddies that work at the Pentagon and tell me what is going on. We are reverting back to fictitious reporting numbers, units at strength (Counting people who aren't there) Lowering standards to elite units. Do you really think those females passed Ranger school? I knew guys from 101st that were bad ass mofo's that could not hack the course. Hell, I fell out of RIP (Ranger Indoctrination Program) after 3 weeks.
Big difference between being the kid in school that spends the most money, or being the kid that kicks everybody's ass.
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101st Airborne (Rapid deployment force), my unit was at 62% strength. We had a deployment alert, load up went to airport to fly out. No fuel for planes. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
What's your assessment of this exercise?
It's a cluster fuck.
Say again?
Marines are fighting men, sir. They shouldn't be sitting around on their sorry asses filling out request forms for equipment they should already have.
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My bad, cause she said it must be true. :facepalm:
Because she's playing to people like you, not her liberal base...Surely she's just lying to appear like the warmonger she has proven to be as secretary of state because she wanted a challenge and didn't want to just beat Bernie on easy mode. Makes sense...
:facepalm:
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"My girl" who I similarly loathe and am certainly not voting for? Ok.
But yeah, perfectly logical to predict Hillary will abolish the US military. Perfectly reasonable to assume. The former secretary of state who voted to invade Iraq in 2001, basically made the call to invade Libya, has promised to escalate wars in Syria & Iraq, authorized drone strikes, said she "will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon," and would "totally obliterate" them if they attacked Israel...
She said this in one interview with ABC in December:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-winning-fight-isis/story?id=35585947
Said these things during the course of one debate last November:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clintons-10-most-hawkish-moments-from-the-democratic-debate-20151114
There's of course tons more shit like this because of all the awful things you can say about Hillary, and there are plenty to choose from, being a Neville Chamberlain is not one of them if you're living in reality.
And yeah, it's "already reeling" alright.
(https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie%2C_2015_enacted_large.png)
We only spend more than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD COMBINED.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/0119b809fd06c87d63898e31951edb94.png)
Imagine the horror if we cut it by 2/3rds and still had the biggest strongest military in the entire world and had a trillion dollars back in taxes! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
You people are completely divorced from reality and facts.
Mr Chizad. Zero point zero.
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She wouldn't attempt to protect her own people and keep them from being dragged through the street when it was actually happening....explain to me why I should believe any rhetoric from her when we are talking about "what ifs"?
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Because she's playing to people like you, not her liberal base...Surely she's just lying to appear like the warmonger she has proven to be as secretary of state because she wanted a challenge and didn't want to just beat Bernie on easy mode. Makes sense...
:facepalm:
She's a proven liar. She's perjured herself repeatedly. She's never made a single true statement in her life.
Everyone she's ever worked with who is not financially beholden to her or in fear of her retribution has nothing but negative (and often nasty) things to say about her.
I would not believe her if she said the sky was blue.
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She wouldn't attempt to protect her own people and keep them from being dragged through the street when it was actually happening....explain to me why I should believe any rhetoric from her when we are talking about "what ifs"?
Hang on tight, there bucko. You're about to get slapped with 2 pie charts and a 60 minute power point presentation.
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Hang on tight, there bucko. You're about to get slapped with 2 pie charts and a 60 minute power point presentation.
All I am saying is she not only did nothing, she attempted to do nothing when the metal was meeting the meat. That tells me all I need to know about what kind of leader she is not.
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Hang on tight, there bucko. You're about to get slapped with 2 pie charts and a 60 minute power point presentation.
YEAH FUCK FACTS AND BOOKS AND SCIENCE AND OTHER FAGGOTRY!
HITLERY IS LITERALLY THE ANTICHRIST AND I SAW HER EAT A BABY!
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Because she's playing to people like you, not her liberal base...Surely she's just lying to appear like the warmonger she has proven to be as secretary of state because she wanted a challenge and didn't want to just beat Bernie on easy mode. Makes sense...
:facepalm:
She's lying cause she's a fucking politician.
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A circle of closed minds. So many without the life experiences to have true wisdom and the ability to think past the end of their noses. It grows tiresome.
Pot meet kettle.
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All I am saying is she not only did nothing, she attempted to do nothing when the metal was meeting the meat. That tells me all I need to know about what kind of leader she is not.
In all seriousness, I have issues with what went down in Benghazi. And I'm not poo-pooing away those four preventable deaths.
But it was four deaths and some people are acting like there were zero point zero SNAFUs and/or unnecessary deaths in war before in the history of ever. Under Bush or any other president before or since.
Ok.
But don't give me the bullshit that we're not spending enough on the military or that Hillary has a proven record of trying to dismantle the military industrial complex, because that is Alex Jones buttfucking bottomfeeder type of lunacy.
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What's your assessment of this exercise?
It's a cluster fuck.
Say again?
Marines are fighting men, sir. They shouldn't be sitting around on their sorry asses filling out request forms for equipment they should already have.
To add some humor from all of us trying to save this country.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/12369198_1114200078598285_7667308854568889941_n1_zpsbojsngia.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/miked0003/media/12369198_1114200078598285_7667308854568889941_n1_zpsbojsngia.jpg.html)
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Also just as an FYI unless I am mistaken the spending pie chart you are showing is one of the many different ones that was proposed but not actual.
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Also, I glossed over this:
....explain to me why I should believe any rhetoric from her when we are talking about "what ifs"?
I'm not talking "what ifs". I'm talking about a politician who has been in office in some form or another for several decades and thus has a voting record and historical fact of what she has done. This is what I mean by "reality" and "fact".
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But don't give me the bullshit that we're not spending enough on the military or that Hillary has a proven record of trying to dismantle the military industrial complex, because that is Alex Jones buttfucking bottomfeeder type of lunacy.
As is always the case you can only judge someone's performance on their past actions.....Her past actions show that she does not attempt to look after her people. I have zero confidence in anyone handling the large problems if they refuse to or neglect the small ones. It is called honor and accountability and she has neither.
Doubt that anyone else in the race has any more but I KNOW she doesn't.
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Also just as an FYI unless I am mistaken the spending pie chart you are showing is one of the many different ones that was proposed but not actual.
You are right. I apologize. That was the proposed budget, which is insane enough.
This is the most current graph of what we're actually spending.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/united_states_federal_spending_pie_chart
(https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=700x300&chco=cc0000,4040ff,00cc00,cc8800,66cc00,0088ff,00ff70,ffcc88,808080&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:25,28,3,21,10,1,2,1,2,6&chl=Pensions%2025%|Health%20Care%2028%|Education%203%|Defense%2021%|Welfare%2010%|Protection%201%|Transportation%202%|General%20Government%201%|Other%20Spending%202%|Interest%206%&chtt=Federal%20Spending%20for%20United%20States%20-%20FY%202016)
I'm sure many here wouldn't be satisfied unless the Health Care & Social Security chunks went entirely to military, but 21% of our budget is still plenty.
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In all seriousness, I have issues with what went down in Benghazi. And I'm not poo-pooing away those four preventable deaths.
But it was four deaths and some people are acting like there were zero point zero SNAFUs and/or unnecessary deaths in war before in the history of ever. Under Bush or any other president before or since.
Ok.
But don't give me the bullshit that we're not spending enough on the military or that Hillary has a proven record of trying to dismantle the military industrial complex, because that is Alex Jones buttfucking bottomfeeder type of lunacy.
I think most people are pissed because 0.0 was done to at least try. I have never executed a perfect military plan, but we executed and we tried. That was not a war, that was American soil they were murdered on and she and this administration did jack fucking squat to help them.
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As is always the case you can only judge someone's performance on their past actions.....Her past actions show that she does not attempt to look after her people. I have zero confidence in anyone handling the large problems if they refuse to or neglect the small ones. It is called honor and accountability and she has neither.
Doubt that anyone else in the race has any more but I KNOW she doesn't.
I would go on about making mountains out of relative molehills and putting anecdotes above actual overall track record, but since you at least conceded the bold above, that's enough for me.
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I think most people are pissed because 0.0 was done to at least try. I have never executed a perfect military plan, but we executed and we tried. That was not a war, that was American soil they were murdered on and she and this administration did jack fucking squat to help them.
It's a good point even though it was Dallas that wrote it.
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You are right. I apologize. That was the proposed budget, which is insane enough.
This is the most current graph of what we're actually spending.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/united_states_federal_spending_pie_chart
(https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=700x300&chco=cc0000,4040ff,00cc00,cc8800,66cc00,0088ff,00ff70,ffcc88,808080&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:25,28,3,21,10,1,2,1,2,6&chl=Pensions%2025%|Health%20Care%2028%|Education%203%|Defense%2021%|Welfare%2010%|Protection%201%|Transportation%202%|General%20Government%201%|Other%20Spending%202%|Interest%206%&chtt=Federal%20Spending%20for%20United%20States%20-%20FY%202016)
I'm sure many here wouldn't be satisfied unless the Health Care & Social Security chunks went entirely to military, but 21% of our budget is still plenty.
Depends on what the 21% is spent on.
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(http://patriotupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hillary-and-obama.jpg)
Obama to the American people:
You can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.
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It's a good point even though it was Dallas that wrote it.
Back handed compliment, I may be moving up in the world.
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Strong Military:
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1957.html
By the time Reagan stepped down from the helm, he had expanded the U.S. military budget to a staggering 43% increase over the total expenditure during the height of the Vietnam war. That meant the increase of tens of thousands of troops, more weapons and equipment, not to mention a beefed-up intelligence program.
The above military brought down the Soviet empire, bombed Libya into shutting the fuck up.
21% ain't shit if you don't have the folks to do it and slashing folks from the military ain't helping.
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But it was four deaths and some people are acting like there were zero point zero SNAFUs and/or unnecessary deaths in war before in the history of ever. Under Bush or any other president before or since.
There's a huge difference between ordering troops into battle and hanging up the phone on our people begging for help.
Hell, according to an interview she did a couple of days ago, "we didn't didntlose one person in Libya."
Fuck her.
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There's a huge difference between ordering troops into battle and hanging up the phone on our people begging for help.
Hell, according to an interview she did a couple of days ago, "we didn't didntlose one person in Libya."
Fuck her.
I have not, nor will I ever be that drunk.
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There's a huge difference between ordering troops into battle and hanging up the phone on our people begging for help.
Hell, according to an interview she did a couple of days ago, "we didn't didntlose one person in Libya."
Fuck her.
Had Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown been there we prolly would have sent the entire 82 Airborne.
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Also, I glossed over this:
I'm not talking "what ifs". I'm talking about a politician who has been in office in some form or another for several decades and thus has a voting record and historical fact of what she has done. This is what I mean by "reality" and "fact".
Yeah, Kerry voted for it before he voted against it too. See a pattern here?
Admit it, when it comes to military history and what is needed to keep this country safe, you are an idiot!
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Had Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown been there we prolly would have sent the entire 82 Airborne.
Dammit. I'll allow a lot of fuckery in this thread, but I WILL NOT allow you to slander two young innocent lives.
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Had Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown been there we prolly would have sent the entire 82 Airborne.
Dammit. I'll allow a lot of fuckery in this thread, but I WILL NOT allow you to slander two young innocent lives.
I didn't say anything about the people who shot them?
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not to mention a beefed-up intelligence program.
The above military brought down the Soviet empire, bombed Libya into shutting the fuck up.
21% ain't shit if you don't have the folks to do it and slashing folks from the military ain't helping.
These people that lived off mommy's teet during that time don't realize that military spending includes intelligence.
Clinton gutted not only the military, but the intelligence community. It is one of the biggest reasons we ended up going into Iraq. We did not have ANY intelligence on the ground. It had all been cut. It wasn't needed. We are a peaceful planet.
Look at history and when we are at our strongest, we do not need to go to war. Detente is a helluva thing.
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These people that lived off mommy's teet during that time don't realize that military spending includes intelligence.
Clinton gutted not only the military, but the intelligence community. It is one of the biggest reasons we ended up going into Iraq. We did not have ANY intelligence on the ground. It had all been cut. It wasn't needed. We are a peaceful planet.
Look at history and when we are at our strongest, we do not need to go to war. Detente is a helluva thing.
Maybe they could have NOT issued one of the hundreds of tanks that are collecting dust in a parking lot in California and used those millions of dollars on intelligence.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-thanks-but-no-tanks/
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Maybe they could have NOT issued one of the hundreds of tanks that are collecting dust in a parking lot in California and used those millions of dollars on intelligence.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-thanks-but-no-tanks/
Collecting dust because we don't have the military manpower to take care of them. Duh.
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Maybe they could have NOT issued one of the hundreds of tanks that are collecting dust in a parking lot in California and used those millions of dollars on intelligence.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-thanks-but-no-tanks/
Simply because a weapon isn't used doesn't mean its not effective, the threat of having is often enough to stop someone, or this case help bring down an empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pershing_II
The weapons were later destroyed as part of the nuclear treaty. 1980's cost was 10 million each.
And even in peace time their are people willing to make scarifies for the better good.
This was my unit in Germany and I knew two of these people.
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-12/news/mn-9508_1_unarmed-missile
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Pot meet kettle.
^
Failed attempt at idiom.
As I am neither pot nor kettle, but the spoon that stirs the stew, this is yet another F.
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Maybe they could have NOT issued one of the hundreds of tanks that are collecting dust in a parking lot in California and used those millions of dollars on intelligence.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-thanks-but-no-tanks/
I thought they gave those tanks to the Police departments.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/17/update-anonymous-releases-data-on-first-attack-doxxing-trump-promises-more-to-come-video/
This is going to get ugly.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/17/update-anonymous-releases-data-on-first-attack-doxxing-trump-promises-more-to-come-video/
This is going to get ugly.
Yeah, I'm sure he's terrified of these guy's living in their Mom's basement.
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Yeah, I'm sure he's terrified of these guy's living in their Mom's basement.
I fully expect him to suspend his candidacy in the morning. Before they release the secret pornographic/snuff KKK photos.
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Yeah, I'm sure he's terrified of these guy's living in their Mom's basement.
Bunch of Cheetos eating Bernie Sanders supporting losers whose sole purpose for existence is converting oxygen into carbon dioxide.
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Bunch of Cheetos eating Bernie Sanders supporting losers whose sole purpose for existence is converting oxygen into carbon dioxide.
We got too much carbon dioxide. It's greenhousing the effect. I say make them stop breathing until they contribute something worthwhile. Such as becoming compost.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/17/update-anonymous-releases-data-on-first-attack-doxxing-trump-promises-more-to-come-video/
This is going to get ugly.
Fuck sake, man. :facepalm:
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I think most people are pissed because 0.0 was done to at least try. I have never executed a perfect military plan, but we executed and we tried. That was not a war, that was American soil they were murdered on and she and this administration did jack fucking squat to help them.
I of the opinion that she should be tried and convicted of treason, then publicly executed. Her husband should be investigated to find similar crimes and treated the same. Hopefully, we'll see both held accountable for murders and simultaneously shot to death via a firing squad. Although beheading by guillotine is my preference.
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$5 says that Kaos called Trump's cell.
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$5 says that Kaos called Trump's cell.
You'll have to give me $5. But since you're one of the freeloaders who expects "the rich" to give you things, I'll just give it to myself and skip the process of paying $12 tax, waiting on the government to send you the check and then having to sue you for the $5 it because you spent it on beer and pork rinds instead of taking care of your obligations and then having to watch you hold a sit-in protest because you didn't get enough of my money and I'm evil since I worked hard to make it and you don't have free HBO.
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You'll have to give me $5. But since you're one of the freeloaders who expects "the rich" to give you things, I'll just give it to myself and skip the process of paying $12 tax, waiting on the government to send you the check and then having to sue you for the $5 it because you spent it on beer and pork rinds instead of taking care of your obligations and then having to watch you hold a sit-in protest because you didn't get enough of my money and I'm evil since I worked hard to make it and you don't have free HBO.
BOOM! Headshot!
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You'll have to give me $5. But since you're one of the freeloaders who expects "the rich" to give you things, I'll just give it to myself and skip the process of paying $12 tax, waiting on the government to send you the check and then having to sue you for the $5 it because you spent it on beer and pork rinds instead of taking care of your obligations and then having to watch you hold a sit-in protest because you didn't get enough of my money and I'm evil since I worked hard to make it and you don't have free HBO.
(http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/7001904_700b.jpg)
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This was all funny to me until I found out that Prowler doesn't have HBO.
What is wrong with you people?
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Bunch of Cheetos eating Bernie Sanders supporting losers whose sole purpose for existence is converting oxygen into carbon dioxide.
Those were my Cheetos to begin with, but I had to share them cause the Dear leader said to.
Now they have Cheetos to eat and I have none, so I'll go back to work so I can get more. So they can have more.
Mercia.
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Why can't every year being election year? This shit is better than watching Bamagrad try to break down in depth why a shitty 4-15 2004 Alabama team was going to beat Auburn.
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Why can't every year being election year? This shit is better than watching Bamagrad try to break down in depth why a shitty 4-15 2004 Alabama team was going to beat Auburn.
You're such a fucking idiot. And I've got a pie chart to prove it.
Wonder where Bamagrad is not wearing houndstooth gear these days.
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From Louis CK's weekly email. Just about exactly what I've been trying to say in this thread.
Here's a scene from the show he was promoting in the email. Just got around to watching it. It's good.
Here's a scene I think is relevant to this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUH6xyuEVQ
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Amusing how the "voice of reason" grabs the liberal playbook and says everyone should "demand their fair share."
Allow me to retort.
Fuck fair share. There is no fair share. There is what I earn from the work I perform and what you earn from yours. At no point should I be required to give up any of mine because you chose not to take advantages of opportunities to earn yours.
As far as "conservative" (if I am one) the guy did a terrible job of articulating it.
Conservative to me means you believe in traditional values, the sanctity of the constitution (not as its bent to mean but as it actually intends), the concept of personal accountability, the concept of small federal government/involvement, the power of economic capitalism when freed of political intervention and the strength of the American military.
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I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore, I believe in work, hard work.
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Amusing how the "voice of reason" grabs the liberal playbook and says everyone should "demand their fair share."
FYI, that character established himself earlier in the episode as the Trump supporter.
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Here's a scene from the show he was promoting in the email. Just got around to watching it. It's good.
Here's a scene I think is relevant to this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUH6xyuEVQ
You are right that this piece was relevant to this thread. And thanks for contributing. However, I'm certain that I would hate you regardless of your political affiliation or stance.
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FYI, that character established himself earlier in the episode as the Trump supporter.
Then it was a total farce and meant nothing.
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Then it was a total farce and meant nothing.
SELDOM DOES!
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I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore, I believe in work, hard work.
Why don't you go back to AUFamily with that kind of attitude?
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https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/conservatives-against-trump-issue-statement_us_56eb1e79e4b03a640a6a07f6/amp?client=safari
Here is an actual threat to Trump's candidacy. These MFers are scared to death of someone they can't control.
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https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/conservatives-against-trump-issue-statement_us_56eb1e79e4b03a640a6a07f6/amp?client=safari
Here is an actual threat to Trump's candidacy. These MFers are scared to death of someone they can't control.
They don't speak for me.
The fact that a select group feels compelled to veto the will of the people tells me all I need to know about this process. It's over.
What they are too stupid to realize in their collective fear-driven narcissism they are doing nothing but guaranteeing that Trump will win enough delegates to take the convention. If they continue and deny him, they are handing the election to the bitch from hell. If they are willing to fuck over the country to "protect the party" then it all needs to burn.
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I think the GOP will go against voters and nominate Cruz. I think Hillary will be next president, and I think this will be the legit start of a serious 3rd party candidate in future elections.
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You want to know the funny thing about it, Kaos and others think I'm a "freeloader" because I want what's best for the American people. When I see Billion dollar companies not paying their share, I don't like that, especially when they give their CEOs million dollar raises. But them damn illegals, stealin our jobs (Trump owes his buildings to said illegals, but whatever) and the terrorists (we already have terrorists here they're just of a different skin color and they don't have long names, but whatever).
For the "poorly educated" Trump supporters, all of the above is true and there's only ONE candidate that will fight those billion dollar corporations and make them pay what they owe, Bernie Mother Fuckin Sanders.
#BoomHeadshot
#Bernie2016
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Yeah, that paltry 39% tax rate that companies are saddled with here (the 3rd highest tax rate in the world, while you're bullshitting) just isn't enough to fill the gimmedat slush fund. Meanwhile, 47% of the American people pay no income tax at all (the takers), whereas the richest 1% (the givers) pay just under 25% of all income taxes collected.
Tell me again who it is not pulling their weight? It's the no load bums sitting on their lazy ass waiting on a handout who need to drop the smartphone and grab ahold of the rope.
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I'd be willing to cut corporate taxes if they'd agree to do away with free trade and reestablish the taxes and tariffs on imports that were used in this country for over two hundred years.
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Yeah, that paltry 39% tax rate that companies are saddled with here (the 3rd highest tax rate in the world, while you're bullshitting) just isn't enough to fill the gimmedat slush fund. Meanwhile, 47% of the American people pay no income tax at all (the takers), whereas the richest 1% (the givers) pay just under 25% of all income taxes collected.
Tell me again who it is not pulling their weight? It's the no load bums sitting on their lazy ass waiting on a handout who need to drop the smartphone and grab ahold of the rope.
Long...but I've had enough of this shit.
Don't waste facts and logic on this guy. He wants what's "best for America". Prowlie, you've based your argument several times in this thread on Bernie's $200K threshold and the assumption that those you're making the argument to don't earn that or more annually. You even specifically called out Token in telling him his argument wasn't valid and telling everyone he wouldn't be affected because he doesn't earn that in a year.
I have no idea what Token or anyone else on this board makes. He may have a side job selling confiscated pot where he rakes in $500K/yr. Who knows? Who gives a fuck? I've never seen anyone brag or complain about their income on this board. It's not something you do. I'm not going to do that either, but I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I make a good living. Am I rich or wealthy? Well, what's your definition of those terms? Can I pay my bills? Yes. Can I send my kid to college? Yes. Can I take the fam on regular vacations? Yes I can. Do I buy a can of "Great Value" green beans at the store over "Del Monte" because I can save 17 cents? No. If I need a new pair of running shoes, do I get the $89.00 Brooks that look great and feel good on my feet, or do I think better of it and settle for the $59.00 Nike's on clearance. You get the picture.
Is that rich or wealthy? By the same token (Pun intended) can I go buy that $450K beach house I so desperately want? Maybe. Probably could swing it if I rented it out. But it would put me in a precarious position and stretch me to the limit. Here's the thing...I have no complaints with my financial situation. Things could change tomorrow but right now, I'm perfectly happy being able to live life without money being priority one on my list. Can I throw money around, go buy me a $100K boat...a $90K Mercedes? Hell no. Can I buy lunch for you and some friends and not worry about it? Yeah, that's where I'm at. That's what I consider "rich".
Now...here's where I want you...specifically you, Prowler...to pay attention. This is 100% fact. 100% truth. I graduated from AU in 84'. I worked in insurance as an adjuster for almost 15 years. Had a good job. Was at $50K plus...a car...good benefits. But I realized I was pretty much topped out. I was never going any farther in the position I was in. And the job was getting tougher by the week. So, I made the decision to try and get in law school. I sat up nights doing LSAT study guides and practice tests. I spent the money and took the test and did pretty good. Enough to get offers from numerous law schools. Step 2:
I chose Jones Law School in Montgomery because I could commute after work and go to night school. I had a family and couldn't take 3 1/2 years off without pay to pursue my goal. For 3 1/2 years, I worked 8 to 5 and hopped in my car and drove 2 hours to Montgomery, went to class for 3 hours, got back in my car and went south for 2 hours. Got home at 12:00 5 nights a week and studied for an hour. Went to bed, got up and did it all over again. Did that for over 3 years. How did I pay for it? I cashed in my 401K from the company I worked for and took out loans for the rest. Oh, and my company didn't want me using their vehicle to drive back and forth so I took on another loan for a Honda Accord.
When I finished school, I had a 3 day pop quiz called the Alabama State Bar that I had to pass or everything I'd done meant exactly squat. I had zero money in the bank. Zero retirement or savings...all cashed in. And I was around $45K in debt with just student loans and car payments. Despite a nervous breakdown half way through...I passed. So, as I said earlier, me and a colleague decided to hang a shingle out (As many on this board have done) and see what happens. For almost 14 years, it's grown and it's worked. I'm proud of that. Not gloating, just proud that sacrifice and hard work has paid off so far.
I hope you see where I'm going with this. Between Federal and State taxes, Obama Care and countless other dices and slices from my paycheck, I barely bring home half, if that, of what I earn. We employ 6 people in our mom & pop firm and pay a lot of their benefits. And YOU think I should pay, according your candidate's plan, 5% more? Hell...to the FUCK....NO!!!! I put myself and my family through hell for years and years to get to this point. I already pay out the ASS. In fact, I still have $7K to pay on those student loans. I'll be damned if you think I have anything other than utter contempt for anyone who thinks I should do more for those that do less.
Here's what you're not getting at all. There's PLENTY of money there. It's a matter of getting someone in office who knows how and has the ability to appropriate it accordingly. You don't need to tax by classes. The money is already there. Spend it more wisely. Come after me for more than I pay now and I'll stick my size 12's up your mother fucking ass.
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Long...but I've had enough of this shit.
Don't waste facts and logic on this guy. He wants what's "best for America". Prowlie, you've based your argument several times in this thread on Bernie's $200K threshold and the assumption that those you're making the argument to don't earn that or more annually. You even specifically called out Token in telling him his argument wasn't valid and telling everyone he wouldn't be affected because he doesn't earn that in a year.
I have no idea what Token or anyone else on this board makes. He may have a side job selling confiscated pot where he rakes in $500K/yr. Who knows? Who gives a fuck? I've never seen anyone brag or complain about their income on this board. It's not something you do. I'm not going to do that either, but I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I make a good living. Am I rich or wealthy? Well, what's your definition of those terms? Can I pay my bills? Yes. Can I send my kid to college? Yes. Can I take the fam on regular vacations? Yes I can. Do I buy a can of "Great Value" green beans at the store over "Del Monte" because I can save 17 cents? No. If I need a new pair of running shoes, do I get the $89.00 Brooks that look great and feel good on my feet, or do I think better of it and settle for the $59.00 Nike's on clearance. You get the picture.
Is that rich or wealthy? By the same token (Pun intended) can I go buy that $450K beach house I so desperately want? Maybe. Probably could swing it if I rented it out. But it would put me in a precarious position and stretch me to the limit. Here's the thing...I have no complaints with my financial situation. Things could change tomorrow but right now, I'm perfectly happy being able to live life without money being priority one on my list. Can I throw money around, go buy me a $100K boat...a $90K Mercedes? Hell no. Can I buy lunch for you and some friends and not worry about it? Yeah, that's where I'm at. That's what I consider "rich".
Now...here's where I want you...specifically you, Prowler...to pay attention. This is 100% fact. 100% truth. I graduated from AU in 84'. I worked in insurance as an adjuster for almost 15 years. Had a good job. Was at $50K plus...a car...good benefits. But I realized I was pretty much topped out. I was never going any farther in the position I was in. And the job was getting tougher by the week. So, I made the decision to try and get in law school. I sat up nights doing LSAT study guides and practice tests. I spent the money and took the test and did pretty good. Enough to get offers from numerous law schools. Step 2:
I chose Jones Law School in Montgomery because I could commute after work and go to night school. I had a family and couldn't take 3 1/2 years off without pay to pursue my goal. For 3 1/2 years, I worked 8 to 5 and hopped in my car and drove 2 hours to Montgomery, went to class for 3 hours, got back in my car and went south for 2 hours. Got home at 12:00 5 nights a week and studied for an hour. Went to bed, got up and did it all over again. Did that for over 3 years. How did I pay for it? I cashed in my 401K from the company I worked for and took out loans for the rest. Oh, and my company didn't want me using their vehicle to drive back and forth so I took on another loan for a Honda Accord.
When I finished school, I had a 3 day pop quiz called the Alabama State Bar that I had to pass or everything I'd done meant exactly squat. I had zero money in the bank. Zero retirement or savings...all cashed in. And I was around $45K in debt with just student loans and car payments. Despite a nervous breakdown half way through...I passed. So, as I said earlier, me and a colleague decided to hang a shingle out (As many on this board have done) and see what happens. For almost 14 years, it's grown and it's worked. I'm proud of that. Not gloating, just proud that sacrifice and hard work has paid off so far.
I hope you see where I'm going with this. Between Federal and State taxes, Obama Care and countless other dices and slices from my paycheck, I barely bring home half, if that, of what I earn. We employ 6 people in our mom & pop firm and pay a lot of their benefits. And YOU think I should pay, according your candidate's plan, 5% more? Hell...to the FUCK....NO!!!! I put myself and my family through hell for years and years to get to this point. I already pay out the ASS. In fact, I still have $7K to pay on those student loans. I'll be damned if you think I have anything other than utter contempt for anyone who thinks I should do more for those that do less.
Here's what you're not getting at all. There's PLENTY of money there. It's a matter of getting someone in office who knows how and has the ability to appropriate it accordingly. You don't need to tax by classes. The money is already there. Spend it more wisely. Come after me for more than I pay now and I'll stick my size 12's up your mother fucking ass.
Nope, you pay more.
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Long...but I've had enough of this shit.
Don't waste facts and logic on this guy. He wants what's "best for America". Prowlie, you've based your argument several times in this thread on Bernie's $200K threshold and the assumption that those you're making the argument to don't earn that or more annually. You even specifically called out Token in telling him his argument wasn't valid and telling everyone he wouldn't be affected because he doesn't earn that in a year.
I have no idea what Token or anyone else on this board makes. He may have a side job selling confiscated pot where he rakes in $500K/yr. Who knows? Who gives a fuck? I've never seen anyone brag or complain about their income on this board. It's not something you do. I'm not going to do that either, but I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I make a good living. Am I rich or wealthy? Well, what's your definition of those terms? Can I pay my bills? Yes. Can I send my kid to college? Yes. Can I take the fam on regular vacations? Yes I can. Do I buy a can of "Great Value" green beans at the store over "Del Monte" because I can save 17 cents? No. If I need a new pair of running shoes, do I get the $89.00 Brooks that look great and feel good on my feet, or do I think better of it and settle for the $59.00 Nike's on clearance. You get the picture.
Is that rich or wealthy? By the same token (Pun intended) can I go buy that $450K beach house I so desperately want? Maybe. Probably could swing it if I rented it out. But it would put me in a precarious position and stretch me to the limit. Here's the thing...I have no complaints with my financial situation. Things could change tomorrow but right now, I'm perfectly happy being able to live life without money being priority one on my list. Can I throw money around, go buy me a $100K boat...a $90K Mercedes? Hell no. Can I buy lunch for you and some friends and not worry about it? Yeah, that's where I'm at. That's what I consider "rich".
Now...here's where I want you...specifically you, Prowler...to pay attention. This is 100% fact. 100% truth. I graduated from AU in 84'. I worked in insurance as an adjuster for almost 15 years. Had a good job. Was at $50K plus...a car...good benefits. But I realized I was pretty much topped out. I was never going any farther in the position I was in. And the job was getting tougher by the week. So, I made the decision to try and get in law school. I sat up nights doing LSAT study guides and practice tests. I spent the money and took the test and did pretty good. Enough to get offers from numerous law schools. Step 2:
I chose Jones Law School in Montgomery because I could commute after work and go to night school. I had a family and couldn't take 3 1/2 years off without pay to pursue my goal. For 3 1/2 years, I worked 8 to 5 and hopped in my car and drove 2 hours to Montgomery, went to class for 3 hours, got back in my car and went south for 2 hours. Got home at 12:00 5 nights a week and studied for an hour. Went to bed, got up and did it all over again. Did that for over 3 years. How did I pay for it? I cashed in my 401K from the company I worked for and took out loans for the rest. Oh, and my company didn't want me using their vehicle to drive back and forth so I took on another loan for a Honda Accord.
When I finished school, I had a 3 day pop quiz called the Alabama State Bar that I had to pass or everything I'd done meant exactly squat. I had zero money in the bank. Zero retirement or savings...all cashed in. And I was around $45K in debt with just student loans and car payments. Despite a nervous breakdown half way through...I passed. So, as I said earlier, me and a colleague decided to hang a shingle out (As many on this board have done) and see what happens. For almost 14 years, it's grown and it's worked. I'm proud of that. Not gloating, just proud that sacrifice and hard work has paid off so far.
I hope you see where I'm going with this. Between Federal and State taxes, Obama Care and countless other dices and slices from my paycheck, I barely bring home half, if that, of what I earn. We employ 6 people in our mom & pop firm and pay a lot of their benefits. And YOU think I should pay, according your candidate's plan, 5% more? Hell...to the FUCK....NO!!!! I put myself and my family through hell for years and years to get to this point. I already pay out the ASS. In fact, I still have $7K to pay on those student loans. I'll be damned if you think I have anything other than utter contempt for anyone who thinks I should do more for those that do less.
Here's what you're not getting at all. There's PLENTY of money there. It's a matter of getting someone in office who knows how and has the ability to appropriate it accordingly. You don't need to tax by classes. The money is already there. Spend it more wisely. Come after me for more than I pay now and I'll stick my size 12's up your mother fucking ass.
Hard work, sacrifice, and determination? That's so 1980s.
Seriously though, I admire that. I'm working full time - which requires occasional travel - and taking a full time class load at Huntingdon College in the evenings to pursue a second degree. The time and effort I have to devote to this isn't my idea of fun, but I do it to better myself professionally where I can continue to provide a comfortable life for my family.
I've never taken a handout and I've never depended upon anyone else to handle my business as an adult and as a man. I have zero respect for anyone who is capable of taking care of themselves but choose to mooch off those who possess responsibility.
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You want to know the funny thing about it, Kaos and others think I'm a "freeloader" because I want what's best for the American people. When I see Billion dollar companies not paying their share, I don't like that, especially when they give their CEOs million dollar raises. But them damn illegals, stealin our jobs (Trump owes his buildings to said illegals, but whatever) and the terrorists (we already have terrorists here they're just of a different skin color and they don't have long names, but whatever).
For the "poorly educated" Trump supporters, all of the above is true and there's only ONE candidate that will fight those billion dollar corporations and make them pay what they owe, Bernie Mother Fuckin Sanders.
#BoomHeadshot
#Bernie2016
I don't think it's funny at all.
Those billion dollar corporations don't OWE you a motherfucking thing. Not one single cent.
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Long...but I've had enough of this shit.
Your story is so similar to mine.
I kicked around for a lot of years, trying different things to find my place in the world. I sold insurance, sold cars, delivered auto parts, ran accounts for a furniture store, worked my way up from delivery person to store manager to region manager for a furniture chain and then bought my own store. Worked 8 a.m. to 11 p.m. six days a week. Eventually sold it and used some of the profits to pay for myself to go back to school. Went back to school while working two jobs just because I didn't want to use up my savings. Taught high school and coached four sports (most rewarding job I ever had) but after about six years of that I realized I was burning through my savings because teacher/coaches just didn't make enough. So I got a second job. By a couple of weird occurrences I ended up being the second in command of a brand new IT department for a major national publishing firm. Taught myself to program. Taught myself database administration. They ended up offering me a job at over $60k a year to be Director of Web Development. Had a $3 million budget and control over a dozen sites. Ran satellite IT offices in North Carolina, New York, Miami and Seattle. Transitioned the company's web presence from static to dynamic and from cost generating to revenue producing. Five years into my tenure there I went to lunch with the president of the company, the VP over my department (which was listed as sales) and the COO. We started talking about the future, my future. I asked where they thought we'd be in five years. Where they thought I'd be. Over a bite of sandwich, the VP said "you'll be doing just what you're doing now. We're a sales based organization and you're a tech guy..." The COO didn't disagree. Neither did the president. I had a 13 year old and a three year old at the time. I'd turned down a couple of side projects because of the time it took to do my real job. I had just found out about a project that could potentially pay me enough to make it for a year. So I wrote out my resignation. I started my own company, rounded up work. Finished a big project, got a good start and had to sell myself and my abilities to people over and over and over.
It wasn't always easy. Three years in we ran into some political/budget issues. I had a problem with my business partner (who's no longer with me) that cost me some goodwill. One of my biggest customers (a state agency up north) had a budget freeze. It got so bad the entire state staff of the department we worked with was put on active furlough. They could keep their jobs but not get paid until the state got the finances under control. Or they could leave and look for new work. For us? We could keep providing the service and they'd catch up paying us when they could or we could deny service and lose the contract forever. So we kept going. They didn't pay me for over a year. My partner failed to get another project done that we needed and we had to refund their initial payment and still do the work. I ended up having to let people go, one of whom was one of my best friends. I took out loans, used my credit cards and didn't pay myself for three or four months. I was literally about three weeks away from the whole thing falling apart. I was staring not being able to make payroll or pay on my loans right in the face. I took some of the last of what i had, flew to meet the client and convinced them in person (almost begging) to pay me at least six months of what they owed me. I came home with a check. Threw up on the plane. If they hadn't? I'd be somewhere else doing something else now.
Since then I've grown the business as I could. They caught up. Cleaned up my ex partner's messes. Had a chance to buy out another company in 2008 and did so -- again putting everything I had at risk to do it. With some hard work and good fortune, I made that work too. I've got about 20 people who work for me now. They rely on me for their pay and benefits. I'm proud to be able to provide for them. It's the American way.
Like Snag, I'm not what I think of as rich. I can pay my bills. If I want to eat out, I do. I can take my friends places and get them nice things. I don't bathe in money. I make decisions to spend/not spend based on what it's going to cost me. I bought a BMW, but I bought it used. I'm sitting here right now looking at a bookcase I need and hesitating because I hate to spend $400. Still, you cannot fathom what I pay in taxes every year. It's staggering.
I've taken the risks over the years. I've put my family's welfare on the line. I'm the one that worked and struggled to get where I am.
Why in the fuck should I give any more of that to anybody else?
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Long...but I've had enough of this shit.
Don't waste facts and logic on this guy. He wants what's "best for America". Prowlie, you've based your argument several times in this thread on Bernie's $200K threshold and the assumption that those you're making the argument to don't earn that or more annually. You even specifically called out Token in telling him his argument wasn't valid and telling everyone he wouldn't be affected because he doesn't earn that in a year.
I have no idea what Token or anyone else on this board makes. He may have a side job selling confiscated pot where he rakes in $500K/yr. Who knows? Who gives a fuck? I've never seen anyone brag or complain about their income on this board. It's not something you do. I'm not going to do that either, but I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I make a good living. Am I rich or wealthy? Well, what's your definition of those terms? Can I pay my bills? Yes. Can I send my kid to college? Yes. Can I take the fam on regular vacations? Yes I can. Do I buy a can of "Great Value" green beans at the store over "Del Monte" because I can save 17 cents? No. If I need a new pair of running shoes, do I get the $89.00 Brooks that look great and feel good on my feet, or do I think better of it and settle for the $59.00 Nike's on clearance. You get the picture.
Is that rich or wealthy? By the same token (Pun intended) can I go buy that $450K beach house I so desperately want? Maybe. Probably could swing it if I rented it out. But it would put me in a precarious position and stretch me to the limit. Here's the thing...I have no complaints with my financial situation. Things could change tomorrow but right now, I'm perfectly happy being able to live life without money being priority one on my list. Can I throw money around, go buy me a $100K boat...a $90K Mercedes? Hell no. Can I buy lunch for you and some friends and not worry about it? Yeah, that's where I'm at. That's what I consider "rich".
Now...here's where I want you...specifically you, Prowler...to pay attention. This is 100% fact. 100% truth. I graduated from AU in 84'. I worked in insurance as an adjuster for almost 15 years. Had a good job. Was at $50K plus...a car...good benefits. But I realized I was pretty much topped out. I was never going any farther in the position I was in. And the job was getting tougher by the week. So, I made the decision to try and get in law school. I sat up nights doing LSAT study guides and practice tests. I spent the money and took the test and did pretty good. Enough to get offers from numerous law schools. Step 2:
I chose Jones Law School in Montgomery because I could commute after work and go to night school. I had a family and couldn't take 3 1/2 years off without pay to pursue my goal. For 3 1/2 years, I worked 8 to 5 and hopped in my car and drove 2 hours to Montgomery, went to class for 3 hours, got back in my car and went south for 2 hours. Got home at 12:00 5 nights a week and studied for an hour. Went to bed, got up and did it all over again. Did that for over 3 years. How did I pay for it? I cashed in my 401K from the company I worked for and took out loans for the rest. Oh, and my company didn't want me using their vehicle to drive back and forth so I took on another loan for a Honda Accord.
When I finished school, I had a 3 day pop quiz called the Alabama State Bar that I had to pass or everything I'd done meant exactly squat. I had zero money in the bank. Zero retirement or savings...all cashed in. And I was around $45K in debt with just student loans and car payments. Despite a nervous breakdown half way through...I passed. So, as I said earlier, me and a colleague decided to hang a shingle out (As many on this board have done) and see what happens. For almost 14 years, it's grown and it's worked. I'm proud of that. Not gloating, just proud that sacrifice and hard work has paid off so far.
I hope you see where I'm going with this. Between Federal and State taxes, Obama Care and countless other dices and slices from my paycheck, I barely bring home half, if that, of what I earn. We employ 6 people in our mom & pop firm and pay a lot of their benefits. And YOU think I should pay, according your candidate's plan, 5% more? Hell...to the FUCK....NO!!!! I put myself and my family through hell for years and years to get to this point. I already pay out the ASS. In fact, I still have $7K to pay on those student loans. I'll be damned if you think I have anything other than utter contempt for anyone who thinks I should do more for those that do less.
Here's what you're not getting at all. There's PLENTY of money there. It's a matter of getting someone in office who knows how and has the ability to appropriate it accordingly. You don't need to tax by classes. The money is already there. Spend it more wisely. Come after me for more than I pay now and I'll stick my size 12's up your mother fucking ass.
Wanna split the beach house?
I'm about to the point that I'd like to sell my house, get me a place down there and a place up in Vermont, Maine or somewhere. Rent it during the summer while I stay in Maine and stay down here some in the winter.
I've done the math. I could make it work if it weren't for the damn insurance on the coast.
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Wanna split the beach house?
I'm about to the point that I'd like to sell my house, get me a place down there and a place up in Vermont, Maine or somewhere. Rent it during the summer while I stay in Maine and stay down here some in the winter.
I've done the math. I could make it work if it weren't for the damn insurance on the coast.
Not sure if you know but he's already married.
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Hard work, sacrifice, and determination? That's so 1980s.
Seriously though, I admire that. I'm working full time - which requires occasional travel - and taking a full time class load at Huntingdon College in the evenings to pursue a second degree. The time and effort I have to devote to this isn't my idea of fun, but I do it to better myself professionally where I can continue to provide a comfortable life for my family.
I've never taken a handout and I've never depended upon anyone else to handle my business as an adult and as a man. I have zero respect for anyone who is capable of taking care of themselves but choose to mooch off those who possess responsibility.
You should be punished for sacrificing (After serving this country) to improve your lot in life. Selfish bastard.
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I have a lot of appreciation for people who have built their own business or gone back to school because I know how difficult it is. Not much from personal experience but more from seeing friends and family follow this path.
Snag's story is compelling because I realize that course isnt easy starting from scratch. Even for a scumbag lawyer.
Re: more taxes, I can remember as a kid when my dad had what he thought was going to be a great year, until he found out that it moved up into the (roughly) 50% bracket.
A tremendous amount of risk and work for the govt. to take 1/2 of what he thought was his paycheck. Granted, he made the mistake of paying more attention to daily operations than his tax situation.
I think that part of the disconnect between some of our left leaning brothers and others is the lack of experience of having the cards (taxes, licenses, OSHA, regulations, etc.) stacked against them.
Personally, I have been at the point many times when I really feel like the bureaucratic system is set up to combat me. It can get frustrating. I mean like stress level 10, heart attack warning, emotional breakdown pending, repeat migraine headache frustrating.
It is not helping the economy. More and more people are opting out of that battle. One recent example: a friend of mine had been paying roughly the same for a bus. License and tax for many years. Local govt comes in and says they are raising it by many thousands of dollars. He tried to reason with them. Not possible.
He wasn't a retail business, which is what they seem to think is a cash cow. He finally moved his business about 10 miles to some property In the county that he owned and the city lost thousands of dollars in revenue from him. Govt tends to be non-negotiable. Bad deal for them and the tax paying citizens. But, no accountability creates this. No one loses their job over the lost revenue when they work for the gov't.
Point is, our life experience is what lends us to vote one way or another. I likely won't ever be able to understand Prowler's reasoning and he won't ever agree with mine.
It is what it is.
But at least he's not voting for Gary Johnson.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/protesters-block-main-road-to-ariz-trump-rally/ar-BBqFPoM?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=DELLDHP
PHOENIX (AP) — Protesters blocked a main highway leading into the Phoenix suburb where Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump staged a campaign rally Saturday alongside Arizona's contentious sheriff, Joe Arpaio.
Tempers flared at the rally itself, but without the violence that marred Trump's event in Chicago a week earlier and with none of the candidate's usual goading of protesters from the stage.
For hours, about two dozen protesters parked their cars in the middle of the main road to the event, unfurling banners reading "Dump Trump" and "Must Stop Trump," and chanting "Trump is hate." Traffic was backed up for miles, with drivers honking in fury.
The road was eventually cleared and protesters marched down the highway to the rally site, weaving between Trump supporters who booed and jeered the protesters.
Trump supporter Geroy Morgan, 62, made it to the rally but was furious at the demonstrators, some of whom still stood around after the event ended.
"We come here, the silent majority, to express our opinions," Morgan said. "They don't have any permits or rights."
Trump and Arpaio have formed a political alliance in recent months, and the billionaire hopes Arizona can serve as a model on how he could win in November. The tough-talking lawman is sheriff of Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix and nearly two-thirds of Arizona's population. He forced inmates to wear pink underwear and live outside in tents during triple-digit heat. The sheriff has endorsed Trump and introduced him at the rally.
In Fountain Hills, thousands gathered for the outdoor rally in the suburb where Arpaio lives. Officers with the sheriff's department were posted throughout the park, on rooftops and on patrol. Officers wearing bulletproof vests stood alongside a Humvee with a gun turret on top.
Trump told the crowd that he is "winning by massive landslides" and vowed to rebuild the military and build a border wall with Mexico. He drew cheers from the crowd when he vowed to protect the Second Amendment — which for pro-gun Arizona is a particularly important issue.
He never acknowledged the earlier blockade or the protesters in the crowd.
Trump supporters waved signs saying "Hillary for Prison" — referring to Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton — and "Joe for VP," a reference to Arpaio.
One man standing near the megaphone yelled to the protesters, "if you don't like America, go back to the country you came from." One of the protesters responded: "Go back to Europe."
Trump supporter David Nelson, 62, had to walk about four miles to the rally because demonstrators had blocked the road.
"You don't see me at Bernie's disrupting their crowd," he said, referring to Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders, who was campaigning on the Arizona-Mexico border on Saturday. "I give them respect."
Arizona votes Tuesday in a winner-take-all Republican primary as well as a Democratic race.
Some had feared that the event in Fountain Hills could devolve into violence reminiscent of last week's Trump rally in Chicago, which was canceled over safety concerns. The cancellation sparked isolated physical confrontations between Trump supporters and protesters. Confrontations involving protesters, Trump supporters and police have become standard at Trump rallies across the country. And Trump has incorporated reactions to them into his usual campaign speech.
Earlier Saturday, about 50 protesters gathered outside the Phoenix Convention Center where Fox News host Sean Hannity was set to interview Trump. They held signs, played music and made speeches, calling Trump "despicable" and "a fascist." One of them, Salvador Reza, said: "He's working to create division."
Trump supporters trickled through protesters and security to attend — many wearing red, white and blue.
Jason Kitson, 41, from Phoenix, said Trump's hardline stance on immigration is what's needed in Arizona to prevent cross-border drug and human smuggling.
Kitson said the wall Trump vows to building all along the Mexican border may or may not be realistic, but it "is getting people's attention."
Several thousand miles away in New York, demonstrators also took to the streets to protest the Republican presidential hopeful.
The protesters gathered Saturday in Manhattan's Columbus Circle, across from Central Park, with a heavy police presence. Demonstrators chanted: "Donald Trump, go away, racist, sexist, anti-gay."
They marched across south Central Park to Trump Tower, the Fifth Avenue skyscraper where Trump lives. Then they marched back to Columbus Circle for a rally.
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I don't think it's funny at all.
Those billion dollar corporations don't OWE you a motherfucking thing. Not one single cent.
They owe the Country more than one fuckin cent, more like Trillions of dollars. They're going to rightful pay after the loopholes are closed by Bernie Sanders. Think Trump will do anything about the loopholes? Lol, no. Think Hillary will? Nope. How about Cruz? I doubt it.
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They owe the Country more than one fuckin cent, more like Trillions of dollars. They're going to rightful pay after the loopholes are closed by Bernie Sanders. Think Trump will do anything about the loopholes? Lol, no. Think Hillary will? Nope. How about Cruz? I doubt it.
The only thing Bernie is closing is the door on his candidacy. It's Hillary vs. GOP..
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They owe the Country more than one fuckin cent, more like Trillions of dollars. They're going to rightful pay after the loopholes are closed by Bernie Sanders. Think Trump will do anything about the loopholes? Lol, no. Think Hillary will? Nope. How about Cruz? I doubt it.
This is borderline insane. Those companies owe no one anything.
Not you, not cash grab sanders. Nobody.
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The only thing Bernie is closing is the door on his candidacy. It's Hillary vs. GOP..
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This is borderline insane. Those companies owe no one anything.
Not you, not cash grab sanders. Nobody.
26 Fortune 500 Corporations paid no money in federal income taxes from 2008-2012. That's hundreds of Billions of dollars just with those 26 Corporations.
http://ctj.org/ctjreports/2014/02/the_sorry_state_of_corporate_taxes.php#.Vu9R4Mko7qB
Do some research before posting. They owe America and there's only ONE candidate that will fight for America to make those corporations pay the dues that they owe, instead of giving their CEOs Millions of dollars in bonuses.
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I found this of book face and found it funny.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=823650571068534&id=738940046206254
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26 Fortune 500 Corporations paid no money in federal income taxes from 2008-2012. That's hundreds of Billions of dollars just with those 26 Corporations.
http://ctj.org/ctjreports/2014/02/the_sorry_state_of_corporate_taxes.php#.Vu9R4Mko7qB
Do some research before posting. They owe America and there's only ONE candidate that will fight for America to make those corporations pay the dues that they owe, instead of giving their CEOs Millions of dollars in bonuses.
You are stupid. Companies avoid paying taxes by pumping that money back into society. I know since that money isn't going to the government you think it's a loophole. But it was allowed that way for a reason. Money in society is worth way more than in the government's hands!
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You are stupid. Companies avoid paying taxes by pumping that money back into society. I know since that money isn't going to the government you think it's a loophole. But it was allowed that way for a reason. Money in society is worth way more than in the government's hands!
You evil, evil BASTARD! They should give that money to Prowler so he can buy Cheez Nips and onion dip. They should see how much they'd have to pay, figure out how many people they're going to have to fire so that all the Prowlers of the world can get free Nips and Dip and then fire all those people. Because you can't pay assloads of tax and salaries too. Then when production goes down because they're taxed out the ass and they have to fire more people and then when they figure out that they can just move the plant to Mexico and make it cheaper than they did before and never pay any taxes thanks to NAFTA (and Clinton) and unemployment goes up and benefits go down because all those unemployed people now demand Nips and Dip on the dole and when Prowler can't get as much Nip or Dip than he used to, he can just see if Cousin Bernie can find some other evil corporation to tax into oblivion. Then entire cities can be boarded up. And then the Nip and Dip factories will go out of business because Bernie decided to tax THEM and they can't afford to make Nip or Dip any more. And then the Muslims will overrun the country and take it without a fight. And then Prowler won't be able to have Nips or Dip. He'll be hung from an oak tree.
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All of that went directly over his head.
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All of that went directly over his head.
Mine too. All I got from it was that Bernie Sanders was Muslim and wants our Cheez Nips.
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You evil, evil BASTARD! They should give that money to Prowler so he can buy Cheez Nips and onion dip. They should see how much they'd have to pay, figure out how many people they're going to have to fire so that all the Prowlers of the world can get free Nips and Dip and then fire all those people. Because you can't pay assloads of tax and salaries too. Then when production goes down because they're taxed out the ass and they have to fire more people and then when they figure out that they can just move the plant to Mexico and make it cheaper than they did before and never pay any taxes thanks to NAFTA (and Clinton) and unemployment goes up and benefits go down because all those unemployed people now demand Nips and Dip on the dole and when Prowler can't get as much Nip or Dip than he used to, he can just see if Cousin Bernie can find some other evil corporation to tax into oblivion. Then entire cities can be boarded up. And then the Nip and Dip factories will go out of business because Bernie decided to tax THEM and they can't afford to make Nip or Dip any more. And then the Muslims will overrun the country and take it without a fight. And then Prowler won't be able to have Nips or Dip. He'll be hung from an oak tree.
What you are saying is dumb.
Prowler would buy more pot. It would be for medicinal purposes, of course.
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What you are saying is dumb.
Prowler would buy more pot. It would be for medicinal purposes, of course.
Can I get little for my cataracts?
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What you are saying is dumb.
Prowler would buy more pot. It would be for medicinal purposes, of course.
He sounds more like a glue sniffer or paint huffer than a pot head. A pot head has some sense about them.
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Can I get little for my cataracts?
I feel a case of the glaucomas comin on.
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He sounds more like a glue sniffer or paint huffer than a pot head. A pot head has some sense about them.
Breaking news:
Man robs Domino's Pizza, man was stoned.
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You are stupid. Companies avoid paying taxes by pumping that money back into society. I know since that money isn't going to the government you think it's a loophole. But it was allowed that way for a reason. Money in society is worth way more than in the government's hands!
Pumping money back into the community...LMAO, you are fuckin retarded if you think those companies that hand out Millions in bonuses and keep their money in offshore accounts, not to mention buying up smaller business and destroy them (jobs lost), send their jobs overseas (jobs lost) then have the gal to ask for money so they can create jobs...are putting money back into the community.
I'm guessing you think Trump got where he is today by building his buildings with good American workers (illegal immigrants), built his money off the back of honest business (borrowed money from banks, then claimed bankruptcy on the businesses to keep from paying back his loans, he still owes hundreds of Millions. In fact only one bank in the World will do business with him...not to mention the millions that he stole from investors), but hey keep thinking he'll be a great President. He has a "very good brain". Remember? He said so himself.
I'll give him credit, the poorly educated sure does love him, as evident in these pages.
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then have the gal to ask for money
Women and money, huh?
I'll give him credit, the poorly educated sure does love him, as evident in these pages.
I'm not sure you're doing your side any favors. You keep trying to launch a grenade but always end up throwing the pin instead.
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I'll give him credit, the poorly educated sure does love him, as evident in these pages.
To be so poorly educated, some of us have done quite well for ourselves.
One thing for sure, we are not still looking for a tit to suckle from.
I guess I should have stayed in school as my profession. That seems to be where the really smart people are...
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You keep trying to launch a grenade but always end up throwing the pin instead.
Outstanding hustle
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Cam Newton is now making $20.76 million a year for the next 5 years with $60 mil of that guaranteed and after a $22.5 mil signing bonus. All for throwing passes and celebrating excessively.
That greedy bastard needs to pay. And pay and pay...
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I'll give him credit, the poorly educated sure does love him, as evident in these pages.
You would think more of your kind would like him then?
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I'll give him credit, the poorly educated sure does love him, as evident in these pages.
They sure does.
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Cam Newton is now making $20.76 million a year for the next 5 years with $60 mil of that guaranteed and after a $22.5 mil signing bonus. All for throwing passes and celebrating excessively.
That greedy bastard needs to pay. And pay and pay...
You're damn right he does. He needs to pay me back for that $100 bet I lost on the Super Bowl.
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You're damn right he does. He needs to pay me back for that $100 bet I lost on the Super Bowl.
Quit your bitching. You still get to count that on your IRS extortion papers.
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They sure does.
Does NOT!
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https://www.facebook.com/QuotidianConservativeNews/videos/1111529012237036/
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He's able to do the things I've always wanted to do.
https://youtu.be/s9xokE0fRok
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He's able to do the things I've always wanted to do.
https://youtu.be/s9xokE0fRok
What - get hundreds of millions in free advertising and filling up the 24/7 news cycle only to slam the one person (Megyn Kelly) who has the gall to actually ask objective and pertinent questions of him that voters may want to know the answers to?
I know right? Poor fella!
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/
Millennials like socialism — until they get jobs
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By Emily Ekins March 24 at 4:18 PM
Each week, In Theory takes on a big idea in the news and explores it from a range of perspectives. This week, we’re talking about the rise of socialism.
Millennials are the only age group in America in which a majority views socialism favorably. A national Reason-Rupe survey found that 53 percent of Americans under 30 have a favorable view of socialism compared with less than a third of those over 30. Moreover, Gallup has found that an astounding 69 percent of millennials say they’d be willing to vote for a “socialist†candidate for president — among their parents’ generation, only a third would do so. Indeed, national polls and exit polls reveal about 70 to 80 percent of young Democrats are casting their ballots for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who calls himself a “democratic socialist.â€
Yet millennials tend to reject the actual definition of socialism — government ownership of the means of production, or government running businesses. Only 32 percent of millennials favor “an economy managed by the government,†while, similar to older generations, 64 percent prefer a free-market economy. And as millennials age and begin to earn more, their socialistic ideals seem to slip away.
So what does socialism actually mean to millennials? Scandinavia. Even though countries such as Denmark aren’t socialist states (as the Danish prime minster has taken great pains to emphasize) and Denmark itself outranks the United States on a number of economic freedom measures such as less business regulation and lower corporate tax rates, young people like that country’s expanded social welfare programs.
Coming of age during the Great Recession, millennials aren’t sure if free markets are sufficient to drive income mobility and thus many are comfortable with government helping to provide for people’s needs. Indeed, a Reason-Rupe study found that 69 percent of millennials favor a government guarantee for health insurance and 54 percent support a guarantee for a college education. Perhaps most striking is that millennials favor a bigger government that provides more services — 52 percent of them do, compared with 38 percent of the nation overall.
So, will it last? Are millennials ushering in a sea change of public opinion? Do they signal the transformation of the United States into a Scandinavian social democracy?
It depends. There is some evidence that this generation’s views on activist government will stick. However, there is more reason to expect that support for their Scandinavian version of socialism may wither as they age, make more money and pay more in taxes.
The expanded social welfare state Sanders thinks the United States should adopt requires everyday people to pay considerably more in taxes. Yet millennials become averse to social welfare spending if they foot the bill. As they reach the threshold of earning $40,000 to $60,000 a year, the majority of millennials come to oppose income redistribution, including raising taxes to increase financial assistance to the poor.
Similarly, a Reason-Rupe poll found that while millennials still on their parents’ health-insurance policies supported the idea of paying higher premiums to help cover the uninsured (57 percent), support flipped among millennials paying for their own health insurance with 59 percent opposed to higher premiums.
When tax rates are not explicit, millennials say they’d prefer larger government offering more services (54 percent) to smaller government offering fewer services (43 percent). However when larger government offering more services is described as requiring high taxes, support flips and 57 percent of millennials opt for smaller government with fewer services and low taxes, while 41 percent prefer large government.
Millennials wouldn’t be the first generation to flip-flop. In the 1980s, the same share (52 percent) of baby boomers also supported bigger government, and so did Generation Xers (53 percent) in the 1990s. Yet, both baby boomers and Gen Xers grew more skeptical of government over time and by about the same magnitude. Today, only 25 percent of boomers and 37 percent of Gen Xers continue to favor larger government.
Many conservatives bemoan millennials’ increased comfort with the idea of “socialism.†But conservatives aren’t recognizing that in the 20th-century battle between free enterprise and socialism, free enterprise already won. In contrast with the 1960s and ’70s, college students today are not debating whether we should adopt the Soviet or Maoist command-and-control regimes that devastated economies and killed millions. Instead, the debate today is about whether the social welfare model in Scandinavia (which is essentially a “beta-test,†because it hasn’t been around long) is sustainable and transferable.
Millennials like free markets, and most already accept that free markets have done more to lift the world out of poverty than any other system. Instead, what this generation has to decide is whether higher education and health-care innovation, access, and high quality can be best achieved through opening these sectors to more free-market reforms or though increased government control. This is a debate we should be glad to have.
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What - get hundreds of millions in free advertising and filling up the 24/7 news cycle only to slam the one person (Megyn Kelly) who has the gall to actually ask objective and pertinent questions of him that voters may want to know the answers to?
I know right? Poor fella!
The video was funny and the looko on Blitzer's face is priceless. I could give two shits about Megyn, although I would schlock her. Donald is the last chance we have to get our country back. None of the others, except Gary Johnson, would even attempt to protect our rights, reverse draconian laws and return us to a constitutional republic.
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At work without these?
Military
Highways & roads
Police & Fire Depts
Public librarys
Bridges
US postal service
Student loans and grants
CIA
FBI
IRS
EPA
War
Garbage collection
Landfills
GI Bill
Public schools
Social Security
Corporate/business subsides
VA health care
Sewer System
Court System
The Polio Vaccine
...I can continue, but I'm sure y'all get the point. ALL of these and more are due to Socialism.
Again, thank goodness for socialism.
You've mentioned this obvious cookie-cutter talking point I've seen ten thousand times on the Internet, so let's examine that shall we?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism
The history of socialism has its origins in the French Revolution of 1789 and the changes brought about by the Industrial Revolution, although it has precedents in earlier movements and ideas. The Communist Manifesto was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in 1848 just before the Revolutions of 1848 swept Europe, expressing what they termed 'scientific socialism'. In the last third of the 19th century in Europe social democratic parties arose in Europe drawing mainly from Marxism. The Australian Labor Party was the world's first elected socialist party when the party won the 1899 Queensland state election.
So socialism pretty much didn't exist until almost 1800 and didn't exist in practice until about 1900.
How many of those things in your list do you figure were invented before 1789, much less 1899?
Military - Earliest known documentation of military warfare was about 2700 BC between Sumer & Elam. Trojan War was about 1260 BC
Highways & roads - About 4000 BC in Mesopotamia & Babylon
Police & Fire Depts - History of ancient Chinese prefects date back to the Chu dynasty (about 1030BC) & organized modern police forces as far back as 1667 in Paris. There are records of firefighting machinery used in Ancient Egypt, including a water pump invented by Ctesibius (about 250 BC) & records of organized firefighting exist under Augustus of Rome (about 40 BC).
Public librarys - Date back to Briston, England in 1464. University libraries began popping up at the beginning of the 17th century (Bodelien in 1602, Norwich in 1608 for example).
Bridges - Date back pretty much as far as man, but the Arkadiko Bridge is the oldest one still standing today, which dates back to the Greek Bronze Age (about 1600BC)
US postal service - Dates back pretty much to the history of writing. The first organized courier service dates back to Egypt in about 2400BC. Public postal services as a government funded utility date back to the cursus publicus again created by Augustus of Rome in about 40 BC. The US postal service specifically still predates the earliest forms of socialism. Ben Franklin was the first Postmaster General in 1775.
CIA, FBI - The FBI dates back to 1908. Doubt the invention of socialism had much to do with it, other than to irradicate it as a threat to democracy.
IRS - Taxation dates back to 3000BC in Ancient Egypt. The US IRS formed in 1862 to raise funds for the Civil War. 14 years after the Communist Manifesto was written. Again, highly doubtful they are related.
EPA - Passed by Nixon on executive order. Hardly a socialist.
War - See "military".
Garbage collection - Organized municipal waste management dates back to 1751 London.
Public schools - Required Compulsory public education dates back to the Aztec Triple Alliance in 1428. In America, Boston Latin School, founded in 1635 still exists today.
Sewer System - Dates back to the Indus Valley Civilisation of South Asia around 2600 BC.
Court System - Law and civil code goes back to Ancient Egypt in 3000 BC. The Code of Hammurabi in 1760 BC was codified law inscribed in stone. Courts specifically date back to Corpus Juris Civilis in Ancient Rome around 530 BC.
The Polio Vaccine - Developed between 1936 & 1952 in the United States. Socialism had nothing to do with it.
I just wasted way too much time researching the wikis to get the exact dates and examples to point out just how retarded that overused tired argument is.
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https://youtu.be/ExWfh6sGyso
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The frontrunner gets it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJ-iv3MOTo
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http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector
From behind the curtain..."Trump doesn't want to be President, he wanted to come in second place so he could point out that if he'd won, things would've been better."
I know, I know...know my audience and what not. But, at some point, the poorly educated needs to open their eyes before it's to late.
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http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector
From behind the curtain..."Trump doesn't want to be President, he wanted to come in second place so he could point out that if he'd won, things would've been better."
I know, I know...know my audience and what not. But, at some point, the poorly educated needs to open their eyes before it's to late.
Dude. "To" late AND calling out the poorly educated? If I didn't actually know better, I would think you are actually trying to act like a moron.
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Dude. "To" late AND calling out the poorly educated? If I didn't actually know better, I would think you are actually trying to act like a moron.
That's common core english.
Come on man, you know xojane is at the forefront of journalistic integrity.
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The sources in this thread are impeccable.
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Dude. "To" late AND calling out the poorly educated? If I didn't actually know better, I would think you are actually trying to act like a moron.
I don't think its an act?
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You've mentioned this obvious cookie-cutter talking point I've seen ten thousand times on the Internet, so let's examine that shall we?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism
So socialism pretty much didn't exist until almost 1800 and didn't exist in practice until about 1900.
How many of those things in your list do you figure were invented before 1789, much less 1899?
Military - Earliest known documentation of military warfare was about 2700 BC between Sumer & Elam. Trojan War was about 1260 BC
Highways & roads - About 4000 BC in Mesopotamia & Babylon
Police & Fire Depts - History of ancient Chinese prefects date back to the Chu dynasty (about 1030BC) & organized modern police forces as far back as 1667 in Paris. There are records of firefighting machinery used in Ancient Egypt, including a water pump invented by Ctesibius (about 250 BC) & records of organized firefighting exist under Augustus of Rome (about 40 BC).
Public librarys - Date back to Briston, England in 1464. University libraries began popping up at the beginning of the 17th century (Bodelien in 1602, Norwich in 1608 for example).
Bridges - Date back pretty much as far as man, but the Arkadiko Bridge is the oldest one still standing today, which dates back to the Greek Bronze Age (about 1600BC)
US postal service - Dates back pretty much to the history of writing. The first organized courier service dates back to Egypt in about 2400BC. Public postal services as a government funded utility date back to the cursus publicus again created by Augustus of Rome in about 40 BC. The US postal service specifically still predates the earliest forms of socialism. Ben Franklin was the first Postmaster General in 1775.
CIA, FBI - The FBI dates back to 1908. Doubt the invention of socialism had much to do with it, other than to irradicate it as a threat to democracy.
IRS - Taxation dates back to 3000BC in Ancient Egypt. The US IRS formed in 1862 to raise funds for the Civil War. 14 years after the Communist Manifesto was written. Again, highly doubtful they are related.
EPA - Passed by Nixon on executive order. Hardly a socialist.
War - See "military".
Garbage collection - Organized municipal waste management dates back to 1751 London.
Public schools - Required Compulsory public education dates back to the Aztec Triple Alliance in 1428. In America, Boston Latin School, founded in 1635 still exists today.
Sewer System - Dates back to the Indus Valley Civilisation of South Asia around 2600 BC.
Court System - Law and civil code goes back to Ancient Egypt in 3000 BC. The Code of Hammurabi in 1760 BC was codified law inscribed in stone. Courts specifically date back to Corpus Juris Civilis in Ancient Rome around 530 BC.
The Polio Vaccine - Developed between 1936 & 1952 in the United States. Socialism had nothing to do with it.
I just wasted way too much time researching the wikis to get the exact dates and examples to point out just how retarded that overused tired argument is.
Socialist=communist=Marxist=not calling themselves progressives. Same shit, just a different name. The UN is part of the problem.
Here's something I found on fb.
'Progressive' as defined by the cultural Marxists (google it): AKA democrats, socialists, communists.
• Mass Immigration/Multiculturalism.
• Reducing white Europeans to a minority in every country.
• Elimination of the nuclear/traditional family consisting of man, woman, and child or children.
• Teaching and promoting of alternate sexual lifestyles such as homosexuality.
• Elimination of all borders and dissolution of the nation-state.
• Encouraging and pursuing the destruction of religion, unless it advances their cause as is currently the case with the left and Islam in Europe.
• Attempts to deconstruct the reality of natural differences between the genders and races.
• Using pseudo-scientific 'findings' to push the idea that race is a social construct. This is known as Bosnian Anthropology.
• Blaming all minority crime on 'white oppression.'
• Only whites can be racist, people of color cannot be racist because they have been oppressed.
• The use of education, media, academia and entertainment to push these ideas and to brainwash white Europeans and only white Europeans.
• Creative and distorted history to portray white Europeans in as negative a light as possible.
• Using the creative and distorted history to indoctrinate generation after generation of whites, turning them against themselves, their history, culture and people. Doesn't sound very progressive does it, sounds more like there is something sinister behind these so called 'progressive' principles that the cultural Marxists push. Sounds much more like an anti-white anti- European set of principles hiding behind the mask of the term 'progressive.' Easiest way to make severely damaging things sound harmless, good and beneficial, is to give them false meaning. If you were raised to believe that putting your head in the fire was harmless, good and beneficial would you do it, probably not. This would be because your own sense of danger would kick in, but when we are inundated with these 'progressive' nation and people destroying ideas, the majority of Europeans accept them as harmless, good and beneficial because they come with false terms attached to them, such as 'enrichment' 'Diversifying' 'tolerant' 'social justice' and 'progressive.' The sense of danger is not there, they cannot see it and cannot see what is behind these 'progressive principles.'There is nothing progressive about them, they are not supposed to better Europeans, they are all about destroying them, their nations and culture.
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http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector
From behind the curtain..."Trump doesn't want to be President, he wanted to come in second place so he could point out that if he'd won, things would've been better."
I know, I know...know my audience and what not. But, at some point, the poorly educated needs to open their eyes before it's to late.
Don't disagree.
I think there is a lot to that to be honest. Trump is a complicated paradigm of ego and pride and every move is calculated. He's not as simple as "I feel your pain" like his believers want to think. They are useful idiots whether they know it or not, as Stalin called them.
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Don't disagree.
I think there is a lot to that to be honest. Trump is a complicated paradigm of ego and pride and every move is calculated. He's not as simple as "I feel your pain" like his believers want to think. They are useful idiots whether they know it or not, as Stalin called them.
Some people are incapable of telling what is true and what is not based on what news source it came from. Yes, that came from the woman's own blog, but that's the point. Straight from the horse's mouth.
It has been reported in mainstream media as well if you need validation.
https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/stephanie-cegielski-on-her-open-letter-to-donald-134719181.html
http://www.people.com/article/donald-trump-campaign-staffer-open-letter-defector
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/28/trump_super_pac_director_stephanie_cegielski_writes_letter_on_why_she_s.html
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ex-trump-super-PAC-operative/2016/03/24/id/720768/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-campaign-defector-takes-full-responsibility-for-helping-create-this-monster/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12206624/Former-strategist-for-pro-Trump-group-the-plan-was-never-to-win.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/433348/trump-defector-parts-curtain-donald
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/03/28/Ex-Trump-Insider-Donald-Doesn-t-Want-Be-President
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-strategist-disavows-support-scathing-column-article-1.2580370
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/29/stephanie-cegielski-ex-trump-strategist-calls-cand/
http://freebeacon.com/politics/former-pro-trump-operative-disavows-gop-frontrunner/
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Some people are incapable of telling what is true and what is not based on what news source it came from. Yes, that came from the woman's own blog, but that's the point. Straight from the horse's mouth.
It has been reported in mainstream media as well if you need validation.
https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/stephanie-cegielski-on-her-open-letter-to-donald-134719181.html
http://www.people.com/article/donald-trump-campaign-staffer-open-letter-defector
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/28/trump_super_pac_director_stephanie_cegielski_writes_letter_on_why_she_s.html
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ex-trump-super-PAC-operative/2016/03/24/id/720768/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-campaign-defector-takes-full-responsibility-for-helping-create-this-monster/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12206624/Former-strategist-for-pro-Trump-group-the-plan-was-never-to-win.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/433348/trump-defector-parts-curtain-donald
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/03/28/Ex-Trump-Insider-Donald-Doesn-t-Want-Be-President
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-strategist-disavows-support-scathing-column-article-1.2580370
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/29/stephanie-cegielski-ex-trump-strategist-calls-cand/
http://freebeacon.com/politics/former-pro-trump-operative-disavows-gop-frontrunner/
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Don't even care. Doesn't matter. Can't deal in "what was supposed to be" only in "what is."
Another half page waste.
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Don't even care. Doesn't matter. Can't deal in "what was supposed to be" only in "what is."
Another half page waste.
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"Poorly educated" and proud of it.
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"Poorly educated" and proud of it.
That is true IF you assume the person that posted it in the first place is intelligent.
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"Poorly educated" and proud of it.
I'll stack my education up against anybody's. Particularly if experience counts.
I'll even tilt at windmills with you if I believe in the cause.
But not here.
Johnson is an afterthought and non-factor except in his ability to siphon anti-Hillary votes.
Cruz is too weak in appearance and demeanor to survive the long game against Clinton.
Polls of today considered, I still think trump is the only remaining candidate with the personal magnetism to energize enough of the disenfranchised white middle class (the majority) to disrupt her.
Electing that saggy bag of tits would be the worst mistake this country could ever make.
That's the alpha and omega of my position.
Any discussion of his "conservatism" or his lies or his motives is wasted on me. I would not have chosen him. But since he exists? Do what you've got to.
If you think someone who murders Americans out of ignorance or apathy is a better option? Well, that's on you. I've never tried to persuade any of you to vote for trump. The next time I vote for him will be the first. I only posit that Clinton is worse than anything you can say or dream up. The stark naked fear of trump on the faces of the leftist elite confirms that.
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The stark naked fear of trump on the faces of the leftist elite confirms that.
What about the decidedly louder and more pronounced stark naked fear of the right-wing elites? What does that say? Oh right fuck all the elites, right Che?
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What about the decidedly louder and more pronounced stark naked fear of the right-wing elites? What does that say? Oh right fuck all the elites, right Che?
It says to me that they are all part and parcel of the same class. Repub or democrat, neither care about the core values upon which this country was founded nor do they respect the will of the majority of average working Americans who are sick of bloated government, outrageous tax policies, anti American trade policies and the eurofication / islamification of America.
Party politics is no longer about good government or providing for the people, it's about remaining in power and padding their own nests. Hillary Clinton puts on a different face at every campaign stop. She doesn't care about any of the "little people" she only cares about her own Chairman Mao ass sitting in the big seat.
The two parties have reached the point to where they're almost indistinguishable. They are the "ruling class" and think they are socially and intellectually superior to us peons. They have to do what's best for us because we're not smart enough or cultured enough to do it on our own.
Trump represents chaos. The kind of chaos that can destroy that entire tower of lies. If I were to be a cult member of his, that would be the reason. I welcome the chaos. Not sure I wouldn't welcome a revolution.
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I would vote for this guy before Killary.
http://www.tamarkingphotography.com/#!/3/featured/Josh_Murray_Party_Down_South_Dudoir/178
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What about the decidedly louder and more pronounced stark naked fear of the right-wing elites? What does that say? Oh right fuck all the elites, right Che?
Travel out to their sites, boards and blogs if anyone thinks the left is scared of Donald. They are doing all they can to make sure he is the nominee (aka softball for Hillary). K can go read it himself. They are hoping and praying its him.
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Travel out to their sites, boards and blogs if anyone thinks the left is scared of Donald. They are doing all they can to make sure he is the nominee (aka softball for Hillary). K can go read it himself. They are hoping and praying its him.
Yeah, I think you were directing that at Kaos. The left is licking their chops at running against Trump. The right, not so much.
Kaos & CCTAU are aligned with the DNC. And Susan Sarandon. And can't understand why...
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Yeah, I think you were directing that at Kaos. The left is licking their chops at running against Trump. The right, not so much.
Kaos & CCTAU are aligned with the DNC. And Susan Sarandon. And can't understand why...
Correct. My b on the misquote.
But yes the left is wanting him badly. They admit it's the only way they think they'll win this one. 2016 should have been a slam dunk for the GOP. Then this idiot happened.
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Travel out to their sites, boards and blogs if anyone thinks the left is scared of Donald. They are doing all they can to make sure he is the nominee (aka softball for Hillary). K can go read it himself. They are hoping and praying its him.
Also, the real danger to conservatives of Trump running rather than Hilary is that the local elections are going to get wiped clean of conservatives and Republicans.
The majority of actual Republicans are staying home, which means everyone who is #ReadyForHillary will be pulling the lever for their local officials and senators too.
You'd better hope an actual conservative Gary Johnson gathers some steam so that conservatives will have a reason to go to the polls to vote for local conservatives...
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Travel out to their sites, boards and blogs if anyone thinks the left is scared of Donald. They are doing all they can to make sure he is the nominee (aka softball for Hillary). K can go read it himself. They are hoping and praying its him.
Talk about being easily manipulated. Better look in the mirror.
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Also, the real danger to conservatives of Trump running rather than Hilary is that the local elections are going to get wiped clean of conservatives and Republicans.
False.
The majority of actual Republicans are staying home, which means everyone who is #ReadyForHillary will be pulling the lever for their local officials and senators too.
False.
You'd better hope an actual conservative Gary Johnson gathers some steam so that conservatives will have a reason to go to the polls to vote for local conservatives...
False.
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False.
False.
False.
o ok.
Since you said so and all.
Bookmark this post for November 9th and we can see you be wrong again.
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o ok.
Since you said so and all.
Bookmark this post for November 9th and we can see you be wrong again.
Your prolly right, if the rebubs don't get their shit together Hillary will win. In 4 or 8 years we will look back and think my god how good Obama was and really old fuckers like me will start thinking that Carter wasn't that bad. :facepalm:
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Your prolly right, if the rebubs don't get their shit together Hillary will win. In 4 or 8 years we will look back and think my god how good Obama was and really old fuckers like me will start thinking that Carter wasn't that bad. :facepalm:
He said "real republicans" are staying away from the polls. I don't care. More people are voting republican than normal in almost every state.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/21/gop-sets-another-turnout-record-democrats-numbers-/
I don't care if they are "real" republicans or not. People are energized to vote for Trump.
If the choices were Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, there would be no surge. Wouldn't happen. Trump brings people out. Period.
So, his statement is false and based on nothing but some ether that surrounds his head.
In a general election, people have the option to choose between candidates. There's virtually zero chance that Trump will cause people to suddenly vote against their local favorites. That's lunacy. And renders his statement false. There's no basis for that line of thought. It's just something the non-Trumpers pull out of thin air in a desperate attempt to think of some reason to keep people from supporting him. So, Chiz is wrong.
Gary Johnson will encourage conservative voters to go to the polls? HAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHA. HAAA haha hahahahaaaaaaahaha. There's less than zero chance that Johnson will drive anyone to the polls, nor will his candidacy help any local races. That's absurd. And full of :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
So false again.
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He said "real republicans" are staying away from the polls. I don't care. More people are voting republican than normal in almost every state.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/21/gop-sets-another-turnout-record-democrats-numbers-/
I don't care if they are "real" republicans or not. People are energized to vote for Trump.
If the choices were Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, there would be no surge. Wouldn't happen. Trump brings people out. Period.
So, his statement is false and based on nothing but some ether that surrounds his head.
Or maybe...just maybe...democrats are switching in open primaries in order to prop Trump up to win because they know they can take him out in the general election. Nah - that's crazy talk. It's waaay more likely that they're all turned on by his rancor and ability to "tell it like it is."
Or maybe it's that some democrats want to vote for a democrat who's not a shrill lying felon or an outright socialist. He's their perfect choice.
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Or maybe...just maybe...democrats are switching in open primaries in order to prop Trump up to win because they know they can take him out in the general election. Nah - that's crazy talk. It's waaay more likely that they're all turned on by his rancor and ability to "tell it like it is."
Or maybe it's that some democrats want to vote for a democrat who's not a shrill lying felon or an outright socialist. He's their perfect choice.
Or maybe..the mother wheel is manipulating everything. WE MUST THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!
In every state, there has not been multiple reports stating that dims are out voting for Trump JUST to get him against hitlary. And, FACT, more people than in recent history are coming out to vote!
The man is not worse than hitlary.
And he has energized people to vote.
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http://youtu.be/1L_UKv19P9E
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You don't get it. Again.
He said "real republicans" are staying away from the polls. I don't care. More people are voting republican than normal in almost every state.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/21/gop-sets-another-turnout-record-democrats-numbers-/
I don't care if they are "real" republicans or not. People are energized to vote for Trump.
If the choices were Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, there would be no surge. Wouldn't happen. Trump brings people out. Period.
So, his statement is false and based on nothing but some ether that surrounds his head.
They're coming out in droves in two camps. 1) Actual conservatives who want to stop Trump. And 2) people that are voting for him. Those people are in one of the following subcategories: Idiots, Democrats propping up the easy target (this is corroborated by the fact that so many Trump supporters bitched up a storm because they were REGISTERED DEMOCRATS and Trump wasn't showing up on their Democratic closed primary ballots (http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/03/15/ohio-florida-voters-rubio-kasich-home-states-lead.cnn). See: Idiots), and people who don't know if they're Republican or Democrat and have never voted ever before but like the guy who "tawlks lahk" they do. Those people could give a fuck about who's running for Senator on their ballot. Those people certainly aren't marking 'R' down the line of their ballot, because remember "FUCK THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT!!!11".
Shit's bad for Republicans right now and Trump is THE reason. We'll see who's right the day after election day. (Hint: It's me again.)
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In every state, there has not been multiple reports stating that dims are out voting for Trump JUST to get him against hitlary. And, FACT, more people than in recent history are coming out to vote!
Are you really that stupid? Really? You don't see a problem with this? Really? You really don't understand that you are proving his point emphatically? Really?
God bless the "poorly educated"...
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You don't get it. Again.
They're coming out in droves in two camps. 1) Actual conservatives who want to stop Trump. And 2) people that are voting for him. Those people are in one of the following subcategories: Idiots, Democrats propping up the easy target (this is corroborated by the fact that so many Trump supporters bitched up a storm because they were REGISTERED DEMOCRATS and Trump wasn't showing up on their Democratic closed primary ballots (http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/03/15/ohio-florida-voters-rubio-kasich-home-states-lead.cnn). See: Idiots), and people who don't know if they're Republican or Democrat and have never voted ever before but like the guy who "tawlks lahk" they do. Those people could give a fuck about who's running for Senator on their ballot. Those people certainly aren't marking 'R' down the line of their ballot, because remember "FUCK THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT!!!11".
Shit's bad for Republicans right now and Trump is THE reason. We'll see who's right the day after election day. (Hint: It's me again.)
I disagree with your take on it. It's you who doesn't get it at all. And your condescending attitude is the reason trump is still around.
You say the only people voting are those "true conservatives" trying to hold Trump back and crossover democrats.
Bullshit.
There are a lot of disillusioned middle class working people who are coming to the polls not to set Hillary up or vote against trump but because his simple message of "secure the borders and boost American interests" resonates deeply with them. They had given up on the political process because both sides paraded out a pack of pandering fuckholes who never did an honest day's work and talked down to them.
They like trump because he's a giant fuck you to the say-anything to get a vote PC apologists that make up both parties. Voting for him isn't going to vary their local choices one iota. Very few who vote republican ever pull the straight ticket lever. That's something only democrats do.
They will still come out if he's the nominee. If it's Cruz? They'll put their heads down, go back to work and fret over their lack of voice again.
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Are you really that stupid? Really? You don't see a problem with this? Really? You really don't understand that you are proving his point emphatically? Really?
God bless the "poorly educated"...
Its a shame more people aren't like you. You have all of the answers...
We old people with degrees, jobs, and money are just idiots.
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Very few who vote republican ever pull the straight ticket lever. That's something only democrats do.
This statement is full tard. Total and complete tard.
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This statement is full tard. Total and complete tard.
No. It's not.
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Its a shame more people aren't like you. You have all of the answers...
We old people with degrees, jobs, and money are just idiots.
Derp. I don't have any of those things...
You seem to think I'm 22 even though I've been posting on these message boards from my office for over a decade...
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No. It's not.
Which Democrats besides Trump have you voted for recently? Was George Wallace the last one?
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And by the way...
You say this:
You say the only people voting are those "true conservatives" trying to hold Trump back and crossover democrats.
Bullshit.
Then this:
There are a lot of disillusioned middle class working people who are coming to the polls not to set Hillary up or vote against trump but because his simple message of "secure the borders and boost American interests" resonates deeply with them. They had given up on the political process because both sides paraded out a pack of pandering fuckholes who never did an honest day's work and talked down to them.
Then back to this:
They like trump because he's a giant fuck you to the say-anything to get a vote PC apologists that make up both parties. Voting for him isn't going to vary their local choices one iota. Very few who vote republican ever pull the straight ticket lever. That's something only democrats do.
What you're not understanding is that REPUBLICANS who KNOW they're Republicans and HAVE AND DO VOTE for Republicans ARE NOT going to vote for Trump. Again, I can site the hundreds and hundreds of vocal conservatives who have flatly said they will never vote for him, and if you think they're just talking into a vacuum or no significant number of people feel exactly the same way they do, you're just plain wrong.
So THOSE PEOPLE who WOULD be voting for local Republicans WILL NOT be voting at all. The idiot brigade that comes out for Trump have no reason to vote for Joe Senator because they have CONTEMPT for the Republican party. You yourself have demonstrated that repeatedly throughout this thread.
TRUMP PEOPLE are coming out to vote for TRUMP and that's it.
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Or maybe...just maybe...democrats are switching in open primaries in order to prop Trump up to win because they know they can take him out in the general election. Nah - that's crazy talk. It's waaay more likely that they're all turned on by his rancor and ability to "tell it like it is."
Or maybe it's that some democrats want to vote for a democrat who's not a shrill lying felon or an outright socialist. He's their perfect choice.
Sorta like FL in 2008? Yep, crazy talk indeed.
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So turns out the prosecutor in the Lewendowski assault case is a big Hillary supporter. Does this matter to anyone?
http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/lewandowski-prosecutor-outed-as-hillary-supporter/
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Which Democrats besides Trump have you voted for recently? Was George Wallace the last one?
In local and state elections? Plenty. As much or more than republican candidates.
I was young and stupid once. I would have voted for carter if I'd been old enough and couldn't for the life of me understand why my parents weren't on the carter train.
I voted for Reagan
Voted for Perot once
Voted for Clinton (dumb)
Voted for baby bush (but not in the primary because I'd met him and spent time with him and thought he was dim)
Voted against Obama twice. Not for anyone just against him.
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So turns out the prosecutor in the Lewendowski assault case is a big Hillary supporter. Does this matter to anyone?
http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/lewandowski-prosecutor-outed-as-hillary-supporter/
It says nothing about Trump being a combination of the devil, Genghis Khan, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Khadaffi, and George W. Bush so it's not germaine to the conversation.
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The problem I have with this thread is simply this. Why is there such a red hot passion hatred for Trump? I don't like the guy. Didn't vote for the guy. Won't vote for the guy in November if I don't have to do it. But whatever, he's a candidate. He's certainly not a worse candidate than Bernie free shit Sanders or Billary. So why such a passion to stop Trump but not the same for Hillary? Not just here, everywhere. It is insane at the shit the media has put out as hits on Trump. I don't see any on Bernie (most likely because he's a fucking idiot and NOBODY takes him serious) and very few on Hillary. But the amount of passion to stop Trump is incredible. The fights are all at his rallies, none others. "It's because his fans are a bunch of racists knuckle draggers!!!!" Yet these inbred uneducated masses aren't going to Hillary political rallies and starting fights. They aren't showing up at Bernie camps and punching people. But Trump and his supporters are the problem?
I think Chad is correct with a lot of stuff he says about Trump, but I think he's wrong on why he's smoking the GOP polls. It isn't about Trump. It could be Chuck Norris saying the cheesy one lines that Trump shouts every night and the results would be the same. People are tired of career politicians. They are tired of having the system the way it is. It isn't about Trump. It's about REAL change. Not the bullshit propaganda Obama spouted. Real change. From the top to the bottom. People are sick of big government. They are sick of standing in line at the grocery store with just enough groceries to get through the week while someone who doesn't have a job has two buggies full of EBT shit in front of them. You can call that a racist comment if you want, but it is a fact that more white people are on welfare than black people.
It's not about race. It's not about hate. It's not about the red elephant or the blue donkey. It's about being fucking tired of status quo and seeing the same (failed) politicians playing musical chairs in Washington. I will no longer vote for ANY incumbent unless I have seen at least 1 decent piece of legislation they are responsible for or supported for each year they've been in office. New amendment creating legislation for District Attorney's to have a retirement? Fuck no. Start a private retirement fund like I did when I was 20. Quit asking for me to pay for more shit that doesn't benefit all of society.
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The problem I have with this thread is simply this. Why is there such a red hot passion hatred for Trump? I don't like the guy. Didn't vote for the guy. Won't vote for the guy in November if I don't have to do it. But whatever, he's a candidate. He's certainly not a worse candidate than Bernie free shit Sanders or Billary. So why such a passion to stop Trump but not the same for Hillary? Not just here, everywhere. It is insane at the shit the media has put out as hits on Trump. I don't see any on Bernie (most likely because he's a fucking idiot and NOBODY takes him serious) and very few on Hillary. But the amount of passion to stop Trump is incredible. The fights are all at his rallies, none others. "It's because his fans are a bunch of racists knuckle draggers!!!!" Yet these inbred uneducated masses aren't going to Hillary political rallies and starting fights. They aren't showing up at Bernie camps and punching people. But Trump and his supporters are the problem?
I think Chad is correct with a lot of stuff he says about Trump, but I think he's wrong on why he's smoking the GOP polls. It isn't about Trump. It could be Chuck Norris saying the cheesy one lines that Trump shouts every night and the results would be the same. People are tired of career politicians. They are tired of having the system the way it is. It isn't about Trump. It's about REAL change. Not the bullshit propaganda Obama spouted. Real change. From the top to the bottom. People are sick of big government. They are sick of standing in line at the grocery store with just enough groceries to get through the week while someone who doesn't have a job has two buggies full of EBT shit in front of them. You can call that a racist comment if you want, but it is a fact that more white people are on welfare than black people.
It's not about race. It's not about hate. It's not about the red elephant or the blue donkey. It's about being fucking tired of status quo and seeing the same (failed) politicians playing musical chairs in Washington. I will no longer vote for ANY incumbent unless I have seen at least 1 decent piece of legislation they are responsible for or supported for each year they've been in office. New amendment creating legislation for District Attorney's to have a retirement? Fuck no. Start a private retirement fund like I did when I was 20. Quit asking for me to pay for more shit that doesn't benefit all of society.
Imagine the worst of your fanbase running for mayor of Buttlick, AL.
That's Trump. He's a farcical caricature that has no place near the WH.
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So turns out the prosecutor in the Lewendowski assault case is a big Hillary supporter. Does this matter to anyone?
http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/lewandowski-prosecutor-outed-as-hillary-supporter/
A crime is a crime.
A crime on camera is a lead pipe lock.
A prosecutor will take a high-profile, slam dunk conviction every damn day.
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Imagine the worst of your fanbase running for mayor of Buttlick, AL.
That's Trump. He's a farcical caricature that has no place near the WH.
I feel the EXACT same way about Hillary and Bernie.
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I feel the EXACT same way about Hillary and Bernie.
Except for their ability to form cogent thoughts and communicate them, I guess that's fair.
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The problem I have with this thread is simply this. Why is there such a red hot passion hatred for Trump? I don't like the guy. Didn't vote for the guy. Won't vote for the guy in November if I don't have to do it. But whatever, he's a candidate. He's certainly not a worse candidate than Bernie free shit Sanders or Billary. So why such a passion to stop Trump but not the same for Hillary? Not just here, everywhere. It is insane at the shit the media has put out as hits on Trump. I don't see any on Bernie (most likely because he's a fucking idiot and NOBODY takes him serious) and very few on Hillary. But the amount of passion to stop Trump is incredible. The fights are all at his rallies, none others. "It's because his fans are a bunch of racists knuckle draggers!!!!" Yet these inbred uneducated masses aren't going to Hillary political rallies and starting fights. They aren't showing up at Bernie camps and punching people. But Trump and his supporters are the problem?
I think Chad is correct with a lot of stuff he says about Trump, but I think he's wrong on why he's smoking the GOP polls. It isn't about Trump. It could be Chuck Norris saying the cheesy one lines that Trump shouts every night and the results would be the same. People are tired of career politicians. They are tired of having the system the way it is. It isn't about Trump. It's about REAL change. Not the bullshit propaganda Obama spouted. Real change. From the top to the bottom. People are sick of big government. They are sick of standing in line at the grocery store with just enough groceries to get through the week while someone who doesn't have a job has two buggies full of EBT shit in front of them. You can call that a racist comment if you want, but it is a fact that more white people are on welfare than black people.
It's not about race. It's not about hate. It's not about the red elephant or the blue donkey. It's about being fucking tired of status quo and seeing the same (failed) politicians playing musical chairs in Washington. I will no longer vote for ANY incumbent unless I have seen at least 1 decent piece of legislation they are responsible for or supported for each year they've been in office. New amendment creating legislation for District Attorney's to have a retirement? Fuck no. Start a private retirement fund like I did when I was 20. Quit asking for me to pay for more shit that doesn't benefit all of society.
^^^What the racist cop said. Errry bit of it. Salute.
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I think Chad is correct with a lot of stuff he says about Trump, but I think he's wrong on why he's smoking the GOP polls. It isn't about Trump. It could be Chuck Norris saying the cheesy one lines that Trump shouts every night and the results would be the same. People are tired of career politicians. They are tired of having the system the way it is. It isn't about Trump. It's about REAL change. Not the bullshit propaganda Obama spouted. Real change. From the top to the bottom. People are sick of big government. They are sick of standing in line at the grocery store with just enough groceries to get through the week while someone who doesn't have a job has two buggies full of EBT shit in front of them. You can call that a racist comment if you want, but it is a fact that more white people are on welfare than black people.
I believe I said chaos?
Why do I not just throw Trump out with the trash?
Because I'd prefer that the borders be shut down. I don't want Muslims here unless THEY are going to ASSIMILATE.
This country is great not because the Italians, Irish, Germans, Poles, Russians, Vietnamese, etc. came here and demanded that the country change to suit their culture. Nope. Because those people brought aspects of their cultures and adopted the American way.
So no Muslims. Not for now.
I don't want America apologizing for doing what we have to do. We are weak now. Tin pot dictators and global terrorists threaten and murder our people and what does our so-called President do? The motherfucking wave with a communist.
Token is right. It's not Trump. It could be him or Lenny Briscoe or Robert Downey Jr. or Bryan Cranston or Ted Nugent. There's a vast sea of people out there who want somebody to stop pandering and start acting like an American gladiator again. Maybe Trump's the wrong one to do it. But he's the only one.
I prefer the tone of this current fight because the bullshit politeness we've adopted over the last few decades is getting us nothing but neutered.
Look at history. Members of Congress used to whip each other's asses in the hallways and on the floor. Stephen Douglas and Abe Lincoln got down and dirty in their debates. That's who we are and Trump has tapped into that.
This may be the last chance to put the "fuck you" ship to sea, the last chance to restore American bad-assery. As evidenced by the fiesta of swooning morons who support Clinton and/or Sanders, this county has lost a lot of its fiber. The pussies who back those two clowns don't have the fortitude to do things like win WWII or any of the nasty shit our fathers and grandfathers did so we could have a good life. No, they'd rather give it away and open the door for socialists and communists and the scourge of Islam. That's not who we were, it shouldn't be who we are going forward. We've gone from kicking ass to apologizing for wearing ass-kicking boots in a single generation. And that's fucked up.
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Except for their ability to form cogent thoughts and communicate them, I guess that's fair.
FUCKING SERIOUSLY?
No thought Clinton has is cogent. It's calculated and has no more substance than a stale Cheeto.
Sanders? Cogent? Give me free shit is hardly cogent. He has no idea where money even fucking comes from, he's just had it handed to him all his life.
He reminds me of an IT director I was talking to a few years ago. I had some big, ambitious plans for an enhancement to our software, but just didn't have the budget to pull it off.
He says -- in all seriousness -- "why don't you just increase the budget?"
I said, the budget is the budget, that's what I have to work with and I don't have the resources to commit to something that big.
And he says "when I want to do something that's needed and don't have the funds, I just submit an amended budget request and get more."
He was 100% serious and completely dumbfounded that I couldn't just "request more money."
I asked him where he thought I was going to get the extra and he says "from the budget. Just amend it."
So I patiently explained to him that my budget was based on money I earned. Not on money that just appeared and unless he wanted to pay me additional money or wanted me to reduce staff and services, there was no more to be had. I couldn't just amend it.
And this guy, with a college degree, sits there for a few minutes and then says "I still don't understand why you can't just increase the budget. If you need to do the enhancement, just increase it."
That's Bernie.
And you think that shit is "cogent."
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TIL, apparently kaos doesn't know the definition of cogent.
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TIL, apparently kaos doesn't know the definition of cogent.
Yeah. I do. To be cogent it has to have logic and/or merit.
Nothing those two clowns say has merit. The idiocy spouted by that IT director was had neither logic nor merit. It was a stupid statement, devoid of any sensible meaning. Therefore not cogent. Same as every word uttered by Clinton or Sanders.
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Yeah. I do. To be cogent it has to have logic and/or merit.
Nothing those two clowns say has merit. The idiocy spouted by that IT director was had neither logic nor merit. It was a stupid statement, devoid of any sensible meaning. Therefore not cogent. Same as every word uttered by Clinton or Sanders.
And yet you're endorsing Trump.
Prefer non-cogent, apparently.
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And yet you're endorsing Trump.
Prefer non-cogent, apparently.
a) You're not listening because,
b) I'm not endorsing anybody because,
c) All I'm doing is looking at the situation rationally and
d) Declaring that the snot wad from the Mucinex commercials would make a better president than Hillbillary because,
e) She's a proven liar, ineffective (and dangerous) in positions of power, and as completely wrong on every issue that matters to me as anyone can be therefore,
f) I don't give a fuck in a whirlwind if Trump isn't "cogent" or is rude or is any of the other tags that have been applied to him, because
g) He's the likely Republican nominee and
h) As such I'm going to support him, and for what it's worth,
i) The big issue things I've heard him speak on such as immigration, trade/business and security I pretty much agree with where he stands so
j) I can tolerate his wrong notions on healthcare and some of the tax policies because
k) I'd vote for Patrick the Starfish before I'd vote for hitlary.
Capice?
I'll take non-cogent over non-cogent + wrong + dangerous any day.
So in summation:
(https://texasteapartypatriots.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/trump-2016-best.jpg?w=600)
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a) You're not listening because,
b) I'm not endorsing anybody because,
c) All I'm doing is looking at the situation rationally and
d) Declaring that the snot wad from the Mucinex commercials would make a better president than Hillbillary because,
e) She's a proven liar, ineffective (and dangerous) in positions of power, and as completely wrong on every issue that matters to me as anyone can be therefore,
f) I don't give a fuck in a whirlwind if Trump isn't "cogent" or is rude or is any of the other tags that have been applied to him, because
g) He's the likely Republican nominee and
h) As such I'm going to support him, and for what it's worth,
i) The big issue things I've heard him speak on such as immigration, trade/business and security I pretty much agree with where he stands so
j) I can tolerate his wrong notions on healthcare and some of the tax policies because
k) I'd vote for Patrick the Starfish before I'd vote for hitlary.
Capice?
I'll take non-cogent over non-cogent + wrong + dangerous any day.
So in summation:
(https://texasteapartypatriots.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/trump-2016-best.jpg?w=600)
:facepalm: :huh:
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a) You're not listening because,
b) I'm not endorsing anybody because,
c) All I'm doing is looking at the situation rationally and
d) Declaring that the snot wad from the Mucinex commercials would make a better president than Hillbillary because,
e) She's a proven liar, ineffective (and dangerous) in positions of power, and as completely wrong on every issue that matters to me as anyone can be therefore,
f) I don't give a fuck in a whirlwind if Trump isn't "cogent" or is rude or is any of the other tags that have been applied to him, because
g) He's the likely Republican nominee and
h) As such I'm going to support him, and for what it's worth,
i) The big issue things I've heard him speak on such as immigration, trade/business and security I pretty much agree with where he stands so
j) I can tolerate his wrong notions on healthcare and some of the tax policies because
k) I'd vote for Patrick the Starfish before I'd vote for hitlary.
Capice?
I'll take non-cogent over non-cogent + wrong + dangerous any day.
So in summation:
(https://texasteapartypatriots.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/trump-2016-best.jpg?w=600)
#winning
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Shit's bad for Republicans right now and Trump is THE reason.
Shit's bad for the GOP right now and the GOP has nobody to blame but themselves.
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I love Trump and slurp him....blah blah blah
You are an uneducated inbred moron. Trump sucks. - Auchizad
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This may be the last chance to put the "fuck you" ship to sea, the last chance to restore American bad-assery. As evidenced by the fiesta of swooning morons who support Clinton and/or Sanders, this county has lost a lot of its fiber. The pussies who back those two clowns don't have the fortitude to do things like win WWII or any of the nasty shit our fathers and grandfathers did so we could have a good life. No, they'd rather give it away and open the door for socialists and communists and the scourge of Islam. That's not who we were, it shouldn't be who we are going forward. We've gone from kicking ass to apologizing for wearing ass-kicking boots in a single generation. And that's fucked up.
You are so out of touch with your feelings. You are the angry white man that the media talks about. Men like you didn't help build a free America. Now go shave your balls and put on your skinny jeans like a good little man. The betas have got this.
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Or maybe..the mother wheel is manipulating everything. WE MUST THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!
In every state, there has not been multiple reports stating that dims are out voting for Trump JUST to get him against hitlary. And, FACT, more people than in recent history are coming out to vote!
The man is not worse than hitlary.
And he has energized people to vote.
Every time he opens his mouth he becomes easier to beat by either Dem.
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#Cogent
Yeah, I know Kaos, you don't care that he's a blathering idiot. Yet you continue to try to convince everyone otherwise. As long as you continue to do that, I will continue to post his DAILY idiocy on public display.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Jpoecf0xY
He went on to say:
I’m pro-life, and I was originally pro-choice. I will say this, that as a developer and as a businessman I’m not sure I was ever even asked the question, ‘Are you pro-life, pro-choice?’ … I have evolved. I talk about evolving all the time. And by the way, you know who else evolved? Ronald Reagan evolved. Because Ronald Reagan signed one of the toughest abortion laws in favor of abortion in California that had been signed in many, many years. … He wasn’t very conservative [passing the law as governor], but he was a pretty conservative president.â€
:facepalm:
Where to begin with this shit.
First of all, this guy is vying for President of the United States and acting like he has had zero time to consider what his own position is on the abortion debate. Not like that's something that ever comes up in political discussion over the last 25 years...Man, what a "gotcha" question for the mean media to ask. How could he possibly have been prepared for that?
Second, he's blatantly lying as always. Here's just one example of him being asked the question back when he could form complete sentences in his answer. And it's a pretty stark 180 from saying the women who have abortions (not just the doctors who perform them) should be PUNISHED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc
Up...wait...as I typed this he "evolved" again. You know, after getting clarification on what he thinks from his handlers again.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103
And he's echoing some of the bullshit I've heard in this thread about his "evolutions" on positions. This flip flopping bullshit is NOT like Reagan not being entirely sure of the exact nuances of his position in 1967. There was no "pro choice" or "pro life". It was not the center of debate. It is reasonable to believe he actually hadn't given it much thought in 1967. It wasn't a ubiquitous social issue discussed ad-nauseum like it is now (or 1999). False equivalence.
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And yet you're endorsing Trump.
Prefer non-cogent, apparently.
In your own words - fucksake I'm agreeing with you politically.
Just got my new yard sign. Sums up perfectly what me or chad or ogre or aut1 or anyone else who has rationale is trying to say. It doesn't have to be a bad choice.
Im getting sick and fucking tired of 2 bad choices every. Damn. Election. There were actually some decent people running this time. On both sides. Guys not in the race now: Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee. Even Kasich is decent although eliminated. He never gained traction. All better than Trump and Hillary. But because the electorate is so stupid for those 2, they are the front runners. The same logic used to make Donald the front runner is now being used to defend him in a lesser of two evils scenario.
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You are so out of touch with your feelings. You are the angry white man that the media talks about. Men like you didn't help build a free America. Now go shave your balls and put on your skinny jeans like a good little man. The betas have got this.
Just to make sure I'm reading you correctly - in your mind if you aren't on the Trump Train you're a 'beta' male? Why didn't anyone tell me? I need to put on my horn-rimmed glasses and head down to Starbucks to get a skinny mocha latte! Does anyone have a Prius I can borrow?
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You are an uneducated inbred moron. Trump sucks. - Auchizad
I believe that was more his response to you guys initially saying that to him.
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I believe that was more his response to you guys initially saying that to him.
You don't understand. THEY can couch 99% of their argument in telling me I "just don't get it" and am a beta male and a faggot and a dumb kid with no life experience even though I'm in my mid 30s. If I strike back once I'm the one that crossed the line. They're being attacked.
They are that SJW chick attacking the white dude with dreads from the PC thread and they don't even realize it. "GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME" as they tug and pull on others.
By the way, I 100% do believe that if you truly don't instantly recognize Donald Trump's incoherent idiocy any time he opens his mouth, you're either dumb yourself or at best tone deaf with a terrible sense of reality.
If "Nuh-uh, he started it!" or "we gotta build lines around the states" or "Mexico's gonna pay for the wall" or basically anything at all he says about foreign policy whatsoever makes sense to you, it's probably because you have as little understanding of those things as he does. Either that or you're just ignoring them because you're bought in.
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You don't understand. THEY can couch 99% of their argument in telling me I "just don't get it" and am a beta male and a faggot and a dumb kid with no life experience even though I'm in my mid 30s. If I strike back once I'm the one that crossed the line. They're being attacked.
They are that SJW chick attacking the white dude with dreads from the PC thread and they don't even realize it. "GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME" as they tug and pull on others.
By the way, I 100% do believe that if you truly don't instantly recognize Donald Trump's incoherent idiocy any time he opens his mouth, you're either dumb yourself or at best tone deaf with a terrible sense of reality.
If "Nuh-uh, he started it!" or "we gotta build lines around the states" or "Mexico's gonna pay for the wall" or basically anything at all he says about foreign policy whatsoever makes sense to you, it's probably because you have as little understanding of those things as he does. Either that or you're just ignoring them because you're bought in.
Once again.
You're not getting it.
I don't care.
He could be a dump truck full of manure. An Atari wirh a broken joystick. The warthog from Lion King. A bag of moody bleu cheese donuts. Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
All better than Hillary or Bernie.
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Once again.
You're not getting it.
I don't care.
He could be a dump truck full of manure. An Atari wirh a broken joystick. The warthog from Lion King. A bag of moody bleu cheese donuts. Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
All better than Hillary or Bernie.
I get it.
You're irrational and borderline insane. Sane people don't want Joffrey from Game of Thrones to rule over them. Or inanimate objects. Or reality show stars. You do. Got it.
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A crime is a crime.
A crime on camera is a lead pipe lock.
A prosecutor will take a high-profile, slam dunk conviction every damn day.
Except their does not seem to be enough video evidence to support the accusation.
And then there is the statement from the SS guy that says the reporter tried to touch Trump. So I guess Trump could sue her for assault?
But since the media says all Trump people are violent, this guy must be guilty.
http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/13/michelle-fields-corey-lewandowski-trump-hoax/
This woman is a serial accuser. Ask Allen West.
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I get it.
You're irrational and borderline insane. Sane people don't want Joffrey from Game of Thrones to rule over them. Or inanimate objects. Or reality show stars. You do. Got it.
I haven't liked Trump from the beginning and I still don't but I see Ks point. Its like picking the lesser of three evils, or don't vote. Bernie will not win and much as it pains me to say, I would vote Trump over Hillary any day. What does that mean? That means I hate Hillary more than Trump. Yes its bad but what are the other options?
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I get it.
You're irrational and borderline insane. Sane people don't want Joffrey from Game of Thrones to rule over them. Or inanimate objects. Or reality show stars. You do. Got it.
If the other choice is Hillary?
Yes. Yes I do.
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Just to make sure I'm reading you correctly - in your mind if you aren't on the Trump Train you're a 'beta' male? Why didn't anyone tell me? I need to put on my horn-rimmed glasses and head down to Starbucks to get a skinny mocha latte! Does anyone have a Prius I can borrow?
You live in Decatur.....You are supposed to be issued those.
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You live in Decatur.....You are supposed to be issued those.
Along with a tub of spikey-do hair gel.
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You live in Decatur.....You are supposed to be issued those.
Now you have to take Marta for a year before you're eligible. If you survive you get a Prius with the complementary "City of Decatur" gift bag:
(http://www.visitdecaturgeorgia.com/Home/ShowImage?id=5606&t=635859584318030000)
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Except their does not seem to be enough video evidence to support the accusation.
And then there is the statement from the SS guy that says the reporter tried to touch Trump. So I guess Trump could sue her for assault?
But since the media says all Trump people are violent, this guy must be guilty.
http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/13/michelle-fields-corey-lewandowski-trump-hoax/
This woman is a serial accuser. Ask Allen West.
Are you seriously equivocating the two things? Lightly Touching to get someone's attention versus forcefully grabbing (enough to knock you off balance for a second and leaving bruises)?
The bigger thing with lewandowski is he is a thug and a putz. He's a serial liar. He said the whole thing didn't even happen and that he didn't even touch her. Please excuse his way out of that one please. Liar. Liar. Fucking liar. Riddle me that one.
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Are you seriously equivocating the two things? Lightly Touching to get someone's attention versus forcefully grabbing (enough to knock you off balance for a second and leaving bruises)?
The bigger thing with lewandowski is he is a thug and a putz. He's a serial liar. He said the whole thing didn't even happen and that he didn't even touch her. Please excuse his way out of that one please. Liar. Liar. Fucking liar. Riddle me that one.
Tell you what. Send you into an anti Obama or I hate Hillbillary crowd. Then you paw through the crowd and try to put your hands on either.
Let's see how appreciative their security is of your gentle intentions.
I got to be honest. I was never a Trump guy. But the more of the shrieking and castigation of anything related to Trump I hear from you and Chizad and to a lesser extent Wes? The more absolutely convinced that he is the right guy.
We survived eight years of Obama but will suffer for 20 due to his ineptitude. We put that horrific shrew in? We won't recover in my lifetime. However bad you think Trump is? I'm convinced we can survive four or even eight years of that because he will undo some of the fuckery. I'm not sure we can survive an extended version of this bullshit.
God forbid that Bernie somehow wins. That would be the handle flush. It would signal that the work ethic that built this country is truly gone.
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I may be ignernt for voting for Trump. But at least I'm not one of you cogent pussies and homos.
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Shit's bad for the GOP right now and the GOP has nobody to blame but themselves.
The rabbit hole is really deep. Remember Jack Edwards?
Alabama Dixie Mafia?
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versus forcefully grabbing (enough to knock you off balance for a second and leaving bruises)?
You missed the video?
You just quoted the lying reporter without even checking out the story. (or the video)
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Tell you what. Send you into an anti Obama or I hate Hillbillary crowd. Then you paw through the crowd and try to put your hands on either.
Let's see how appreciative their security is of your gentle intentions.
I got to be honest. I was never a Trump guy. But the more of the shrieking and castigation of anything related to Trump I hear from you and Chizad and to a lesser extent Wes? The more absolutely convinced that he is the right guy.
We survived eight years of Obama but will suffer for 20 due to his ineptitude. We put that horrific shrew in? We won't recover in my lifetime. However bad you think Trump is? I'm convinced we can survive four or even eight years of that because he will undo some of the fuckery. I'm not sure we can survive an extended version of this bullshit.
God forbid that Bernie somehow wins. That would be the handle flush. It would signal that the work ethic that built this country is truly gone.
He's a campaign manager not security. Secret service was there. They deemed her not a threat.
And you still didn't address the guy lying about the whole thing. Yes it matters. It shows the culture of this guys campaign and future administration.
If I got that close to Obama in anyway and they deemed me out of the ordinary or a threat, I would fully expect his secret service detail to Yank me up, yes. But certainly not his campaign manager, especially if his secret service has already ok'd it. Not sure I know of one reporter being yanked up at anyone else's events.
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You missed the video?
You just quoted the lying reporter without even checking out the story. (or the video)
You really do assume you have it all figured out. And that everyone else is stupid when in reality it's the exact opposite.
She was pulled back. It left bruises. If she feels she was knocked off balance you don't get to say she feels otherwise.
Yes I've seen the "video" which is really just a bunch a still frame shots. It's pretty crappy video. There is a lot that happened between frames it didn't show since these frames are capturing imagines about one per second. Leave it to trump to cheapskate his surveillance system circa 1991. But in the end it's hard to gauge the context of everything happening in real time. I have better quality video on my home security camera than this shit.
And again, neither one of you can still explain away the guy flat out lying that it even happened. He's a Thug.
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He's a campaign manager not security. Secret service was there. They deemed her not a threat.
And you still didn't address the guy lying about the whole thing. Yes it matters. It shows the culture of this guys campaign and future administration.
Again. I don't care.
Vince Foster.
Hillary is worse. If Trump ass fucks a shopping cart full of Puerto Rican babies at every campaign stop between now and November and drinks the blood of a Scandinavian virgin every morning he's STILL better than Hillary.
That's all there is to it.
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You really do assume you have it all figured out. And that everyone else is stupid when in reality it's the exact opposite.
She was pulled back. It left bruises. If she feels she was knocked off balance you don't get to say she feels otherwise.
Yes I've seen the "video" which is really just a bunch a still frame shots. It's pretty crappy video. There is a lot that happened between frames it didn't show since these frames are capturing imagines about one per second. Leave it to trump to cheapskate his surveillance system circa 1991. But in the end it's hard to gauge the context of everything happening in real time. I have better quality video on my home security camera than this shit.
And again, neither one of you can still explain away the guy flat out lying that it even happened. He's a Thug.
Oh Jesus fucking Newton
Did you really just say "if she feels she was pushed..."
So now the standard is whether somebody "feels" as if?
:facepalm:
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Oh Jesus fucking Newton
Did you really just say "if she feels she was pushed..."
So now the standard is whether somebody "feels" as if?
:facepalm:
If she doesn't get to say how it felt to her then who does? You??
Please to be finding where I said pushed. Off balance. Ever felt off balance playing basketball, in the shower, or anything else? I have. May not have looked so to the naked eye. But I was. In the end it's semantics. Dude grabbed her. Enough that it left bruises. That in itself is out of bounds. You don't snatch up a reporter like that because you don't like the question she's asking. Esp a campaign manager.
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If she doesn't get to say how it felt to her then who does? You??
Please to be finding where I said pushed. Off balance. Ever felt off balance playing basketball, in the shower, or anything else? I have. May not have looked so to the naked eye. But I was. In the end it's semantics. Dude grabbed her. Enough that it left bruises. That in itself is out of bounds. You don't snatch up a reporter like that because you don't like the question she's asking. Esp a campaign manager.
Don't give one flaming kinkajou fuck how she fucking "feels".
I feel as if this woman sitting beside me at the doctors office is soaking her jeans in anticipation that I ask her to fuck here on the waiting room floor. So I guess I'm gonna take her. Since I feel it and all.
How she fucking "feels" is completely irrelevant. Fuck her. And fuck anybody who substitutes how they "feel" for what happened in reality.
Fuck her.
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https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity/videos/10156847735475389/ (https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity/videos/10156847735475389/)
Bunch of uneducated so and so's...
See...you can do it both ways...
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If she doesn't get to say how it felt to her then who does? You??
Please to be finding where I said pushed. Off balance. Ever felt off balance playing basketball, in the shower, or anything else? I have. May not have looked so to the naked eye. But I was. In the end it's semantics. Dude grabbed her. Enough that it left bruises. That in itself is out of bounds. You don't snatch up a reporter like that because you don't like the question she's asking. Esp a campaign manager.
I like to tickle my wife by grabbing her knee. I have left bruises before while tickling her because she bruises easy.
Just saying...
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https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity/videos/10156847735475389/ (https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity/videos/10156847735475389/)
Bunch of uneducated so and so's...
See...you can do it both ways...
I have never claimed, or even suggested that Republicans have the monopoly on stupidity.
Which one of those people being interviewed are running for president though?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fact-check_us_56fc375fe4b0daf53aee9175
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fact-check_us_56fc375fe4b0daf53aee9175
www.WTGazzette.com/breaking/WiregrassTiger/on-the-record/plans_to_punch/ChiZZy-in-face/At-Trump-rally_9173fcY89xx7eee9715
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fact-check_us_56fc375fe4b0daf53aee9175
Huff post.
:taunt:
Lalala. Don't care.
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If she doesn't get to say how it felt to her then who does? You??
Please to be finding where I said pushed. Off balance. Ever felt off balance playing basketball, in the shower, or anything else? I have. May not have looked so to the naked eye. But I was. In the end it's semantics. Dude grabbed her. Enough that it left bruises. That in itself is out of bounds. You don't snatch up a reporter like that because you don't like the question she's asking. Esp a campaign manager.
There is no proof! No video showing he grabbed her!
She has a history of making this stuff up!
The hatred for anything Trump has overidden common sense!
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Huff post.
:taunt:
Lalala. Don't care.
This is an idiotic response.
You are becoming dumber every day you support Trump.
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This is an idiotic response.
You are becoming dumber every day you support Trump.
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There is no proof! No video showing he grabbed her!
She has a history of making this stuff up!
The hatred for anything Trump has overidden common sense!
It's not that hard to, you know, research before posting...
http://youtu.be/hecfG1lkM8M
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It's not that hard to, you know, research before posting...
http://youtu.be/hecfG1lkM8M
Oh my GAAAWWWWDDDD!! He ASAALTED HAR! He stuck hims ARM OUT and GIDED HER AWAY!!!
If that's battery, I batterize probably ten people a day.
Prowler. I like you, dude, but when you post in this topic this is what I see:
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This also happened the following week (again, he's a Campaign Manger, not body guard or police officer)...
http://youtu.be/0GRUDYtLnKE
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Oh my GAAAWWWWDDDD!! He ASAALTED HAR! He stuck hims ARM OUT and GIDED HER AWAY!!!
If that's battery, I batterize probably ten people a day.
Prowler. I like you, dude, but when you post in this topic this is what I see:
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/3528075/stimpy-o.gif)
You see that image because you're looking in, what sane people call, a mirror.
He grabbed her arm, enough to apparently leave bruise marks. If someone was to grab me like that, they wake up in a hospital bed.
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This also happened the following week (again, he's a Campaign Manger, not body guard or police officer)...
http://youtu.be/0GRUDYtLnKE
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I have never claimed, or even suggested that Republicans have the monopoly on stupidity.
Which one of those people being interviewed are running for president though?
One talking point in this thread say that the people voting for Trump are clueless and uneducated. I am saying it's easy to find them on both sides.
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Saw this on a car in Auburn today.
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You see that image because you're looking in, what sane people call, a mirror.
He grabbed her arm, enough to apparently leave bruise marks. If someone was to grab me like that, they wake up in a hospital bed.
That little dude would whip your ass. Then think of how embarrassed you would be at your next BLM meeting.
And the argument about him not being a "bodyguard"... You do know that bodyguards are JUST people. Therefore part of his job is to look out after Trump. They do not have to be part of some trained organized and licensed organization.
Also, the SS guys are there to keep Trump form getting attacked. Trump's guys are there to remove anyone Trump deems a threat. Two different jobs.
Bottom line is, when Trump's people see someone getting too close, they remove them. It may be that the guy doesn't even remember because he has to remove whiny ass people like this every day.
From the video, he grabbed her arm and held her put till Trump moved on. No jerking. No throwing to the ground. Just a whiny reporter. A guy would not have bitched.
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One talking point in this thread say that the people voting for Trump are clueless and uneducated. I am saying it's easy to find them on both sides.
I'm saying that TRUMP is stupid when it comes to everything but sociology and manipulation.
I'm saying that stupid people don't recognize this.
It is possible for stupid people to look at relatively intelligent people and think they're a good fit for president of the United States. It is not possible for relatively intelligent people to look at boorish idiots and think they're a good fit for president of the United States.
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Oh memez! That sure took apart the line by line sited, sourced fact check that clearly illustrates the man lying 71 times in an hour.
Hillary is worse than Joffrey and Hitler and Dr. Doom and everyone evar including inanimate objects because she lied about Benghazi, but totally fine with a guy who lies literally more than once every single minute he speaks.
Now that I'm not on my phone, here's the copypasta. Refute it with words like a cognizant human being.
Every "Reality" here is corroborated with links. I'm not going to go through an add them here. You'll have to click the link yourself, which you won't do because I know you EVEN IF HE'S WORSE THAN HILLARY, HE'S STILL NOT WORSE THAN HILLARY!!!111
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fact-check_us_56fc375fe4b0daf53aee9175
Donald Trump Made Up Stuff 71 Times In An Hour
And that’s counting the commercial breaks.
03/30/2016 06:52
Sam Stein
Senior Politics Editor, The Huffington Post
Facts, schmacts.
WASHINGTON — Critics of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign often complain about the way the media has reported on his candidacy. It is not just the incessant coverage that riles them. It’s the perceived lack of fact-checking.
Trump is known for making outlandish and dubious claims with little connection to the truth. The press corps, these critics argue, allows him to float along in a perpetual state of unreality.
The truth is, Trump is routinely fact-checked. It’s just that he makes so many statements in such a rapid and continuous fashion that it becomes virtually impossible to keep up.
On Wednesday, The Huffington Post assigned five and a half reporters to look into a roughly 12,000-word transcript of Trump’s town hall event on CNN the night before. It took us hours, but in all, we found 71 separate instances in which Trump made a claim that was inaccurate, misleading or deeply questionable. That’s basically one falsehood every 169 words (counting the words uttered by moderator Anderson Cooper), or 1.16 falsehoods every minute (the town hall lasted an hour, including commercial breaks).
Below are our findings:
1. Claim: “[Ted Cruz]’s home state is Texas. It may be Canada.â€
Reality: Canada is not a state and Ted Cruz, while born there, calls Texas home.
2. Claim: “I don’t know what touch means.†— Trump, in reference to his campaign manager Corey Lewandowski grabbing reporter Michelle Fields’ arm in an incident that has resulted in his arrest.
Reality: Trump knows what “touch†means. Everyone with a functioning brain knows what it means.
3. Claim: The security camera footage of the Lewandowski incident “exonerates him totally.â€
Reality: It does not. It actually shows Lewandowski lied when he asserted that he didn’t know or remember Fields at all.
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56fc3af3150000ad000b3a2a.jpeg)
4. Claim: “All of a sudden [Fields’] story changed.†— Trump, discussing what happened after it was revealed that there was security footage of the incident.
Reality: Fields’ story hasn’t changed.
5. Claim: “I’m a loyal person.†— Trump on his decision to stand by Lewandowski.
Reality: Trump is famous for the phrase, “You’re fired.†His marital history also conflicts with this statement.
6. Claim: “If somebody in this audience gets whacked, or gets hurt, including me, you get hit a little bit. You go, ow. There’s no emotion.†— Trump on Fields’ reaction to being grabbed.
Reality: All people do not react the same to trauma. This is also an excuse routinely used to discredit domestic violence and sexual assault victims.
7. Claim: “She was grabbing me.†— Trump on Fields.
Reality: Footage shows she did not grab him. Here’s Trump’s own tweet:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/714898756420939780
Why is this reporter touching me as I leave news conference? What is in her hand??
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8. Claim: “She wasn’t supposed to be asking questions because the press conference lasted for 45 minutes.†— Trump on Fields.
Reality: Multiple reporters were asking Trump questions as he left his event that evening.
9. Claim: “Did you see the protester grabbing the woman in front of him? With his hands on her neck?†— Trump on a protester who was also allegedly pulled by Lewandowski.
Reality: The video appears to show the protester bumping into a woman as he is trying to leave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXmsXNKh1pM
10. Claim: “She had a pen in her hand, which could have been a knife, it could have been just a pen, which is very dangerous.†— Trump on Fields.
Reality: Pens are carried all the time by reporters and are widely acknowledged as not very dangerous.
11. Claim: “She wasn’t dragged to the ground.†— Trump on Fields.
Reality: Trump implies here that Fields said she was dragged to the ground. She never did.
She said, “I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance,†which is what the video shows.
12. Claim: “I see Hillary with Benghazi, you know the famous ad, three in the morning, guess what, the phone rang, she wasn’t there.â€
Reality: An email did surface showing that Clinton missed a briefing because she was sleeping. It was not a phone call. And it was at 10:43 a.m., with Clinton likely overseas.
13. Claim: “Nobody respects our president.â€
Reality: This is false in the U.S. and abroad.
14. Claim: “We owe $19 trillion, we have another $2 trillion because of the very, very bad omnibus budget that was just signed.â€
Reality: We do have a $19 trillion debt. But the omnibus was $1.1 trillion.
15. Claim: “It’s a disgrace, which gives everything that Obama wanted.†— Trump on the omnibus.
Reality: President Barack Obama asked for but did not receive additional spending.
16. Claim: “We get nothing.†— Trump on how Republicans fared in the omnibus spending bill.
Reality: As noted by a GOP aide, the party did get some wins, including lifting the oil export ban, tightening the visa waiver program, and stopping the IRS from going after 501c4s.
17. Claim: Because of the omnibus, the debt will climb to $21 trillion.
Reality: The omnibus, as mentioned, is $1.1 trillion. Also, it won’t be chiefly or mostly responsible for the rising debt.
18. Claim: “Most people didn’t know that we are taking care of Japan’s military needs.â€
Reality: Japan actually spends money on U.S. military installations there.
19. Claim: “Iran is going to have [a nuclear bomb] within 10 years.â€
Reality: The Iran deal rolls back and freezes the country’s nuclear program for 15 years. Many aspects of the deal are permanent, including the rigorous inspections and the ban on ever researching, making or possessing a nuclear bomb.
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20. Claim: “It’s going to happen anyway. It’s going to happen anyway.†— Trump, on Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia getting nuclear weapons.
Reality: As Joseph Cirincione, the president of Ploughshares Fund, notes: “Since the height of the Cold War, we have reduced global nuclear stockpiles from almost 70,000 weapons to just over 15,000 weapons.â€
21. Claim: “We don’t have money.†— Trump on America.
Reality: We’re the richest country in the world, and maybe in world history.
22. Claim: “I thought it was a nice picture of Heidi.†— Trump on a picture of Ted Cruz’s wife, Heidi Cruz, contrasted with his wife, Melania, that he re-tweeted.
Reality: There is no way to dip into Trump’s brain. But it’s fair to say that he didn’t think it was a kind or nice picture of her.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/712850174838771712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
"@Don_Vito_08: "A picture is worth a thousand words" @realDonaldTrump #LyingTed #NeverCruz @MELANIATRUMP "
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23. Claim: “No, it’s not.†— Trump, when told that his insistence that he “didn’t start†the fight over wives with Ted Cruz sounded like the argument a 5-year-old would make.
Reality: “I didn’t start it†is the argument of toddlers and small children.
24. Claim: “He sent out a picture†— Trump, stating that Cruz was responsible for spreading a photo of Melania Trump posing nude for GQ.
Reality: Cruz didn’t send out the picture. An anti-Trump super PAC sent it out.
25. Claim: “They were Romney people.†— Trump, switching blame for the person(s) who sent out the photo.
Reality: Liz Mair, the Republican operative who did send out the picture, is not a Mitt Romney person.
26. Claim: “No, everybody knows he sent it out.†— Trump, blaming Cruz again for sending out the photo.
Reality: Make America Awesome Again PAC, Mair’s group, sent it out.
27. Claim: “I wouldn’t have China walking away with trade deficits of $505 billion a year.â€
Reality: The trade deficit was $365 billion in 2015.
28. Claim: “We have a president who won’t talk about it.†— Trump on Obama and radical Islam.
Reality: Obama won’t use the term “radical Islam,†but he regularly talks about terrorism perpetrated by ISIS.
"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam."
President Barack Obama
29. Claim: “If bullets were going in the opposite direction, you wouldn’t have had the problems in those two places, that I can tell you.†— Trump, on the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino and Paris.
Reality: The United States has a Second Amendment — and still has more gun deaths than anywhere else. Also, arming more citizens leads to more unintentional shootings.
30. Claim: “I was against the war in Iraq. OK.â€
Reality: Trump spoke supportively of the invasion in 2002.
31. Claim: “We have no idea who they are, we have no idea where is their paperwork. They have no paperwork; they have no identification.†— Trump on Syrian refugees.
Reality: Syrian refugees are the most heavily vetted group coming to the U.S. The process takes a year and a half to two years.
32. Claim: “Lots of things happening in the mosques, that’s been proven.†— Trump on terrorism plotting activities.
Reality: There haven’t been mosques connected to Islamic State attacks in the U.S. Mosque leaders are in fact experiencing death threats and vandalism.
33. Claim: “They had bombs on the floor. Many people saw this. Many, many people.†— Trump on the San Bernardino shooters.
Reality: A couple neighbors of one shooter’s mother, in a different town, noticed packages being delivered. Nobody saw bombs.
34. Claim: “Nobody wants to call it a war.†— Trump on the fight against terrorism.
Reality: The Bush administration coined the phrase “War on Terror.â€
35. Claim: “It’s such lies.†— Trump on accusations that he wasn’t a successful businessman.
Reality: There are real questions about how Trump actually managed his money, with outlets pointing out that he would have done better just investing in an index fund.
36. Claim: “Brooklyn had not a lot of value. Brooklyn was not a great place to be.†— Trump, explaining that his father had limited his earning potential by operating in an outer borough.
Reality: If Brooklyn had been its own city in 1960, it would have been the fourth-most populous city in the U.S. behind the rest of New York, Chicago and LA.
37. Claim: “I started off with a very, very small amount of money.â€
Reality: His father gave him a $1 million loan, which is objectively not a small amount of money.
38. Claim: “My father didn’t leave a great fortune.â€
Reality: Citing the Trump family’s own estimate, The New York Times reported that when Fred Trump died in 1999, he was worth $250-300 million. That’s about $356-427 million in 2016 dollars, per the BLS calculator.
39. Claim: “Now I’m worth over $10 billion.â€
Reality: Estimates of Trump’s worth vary wildly. But Forbes put it at around $4.5 billion.
40. Claim: “Only a fool would give a tax return [during an audit].â€
Realty: Lawyers do advise against doing this. But nothing about being audited prevents Trump from releasing his tax records.
41. Claim: “Well, the greatest function of all by far [for the U.S. government] is security for our nation. I would also say health care, I would also say education.â€
Reality: Trump didn’t mention that he has called for disbanding the Department of Education, which would make it a non-priority for the U.S. government under his presidency.
42. Claim: “Thousands and thousands of people are infiltrating our country.â€
Reality: While immigration estimates are tough to measure, there is no evidence that “thousands and thousands†of terrorists are infiltrating our country. Even fearful estimates say 82 specific individuals with ties to ISIS have entered the country since March 2014.
43. Claim: “Our military is being eaten away.â€
Reality: The Associated Press fact-checked claims that President Barack Obama has gutted the military and found that “Total spending for the modernization for major weapons systems actually has remained stable†since 2009.
44. Claim: “If I get in, our military will be bigger, better, stronger than ever before. It’s the cheapest thing we can do.â€
Reality: The U.S. already spends more on defense than the next seven countries combined. Trump hasn’t outlined a specific plan for expanding the military — other than saying he will make it “so big, so strong and so great, so powerful†— but estimates of the costs of other GOP plans for expanding the military have placed them at upwards of $17 billion a year.
45. Claim: “Obamacare is a disaster.â€
Reality: It’s actually pretty OK.
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46. Claim: “The government can lead [health care], but it should be privately done.â€
Reality: We don’t know what this means. Even under the Affordable Care Act, the actual insurers are private.
47. Claim: “We should probably have — we have to have private health care.â€
Reality: The health care system is, and has been for many decades, a private-public mix, and that barely budged because of the ACA.
48. Claim: “The problem that we have in our country is we don’t have competition.â€
Reality: The entire ACA apparatus is built on insurers competing for customers on a regulated private market.
49. Claim: “I am self-funding.â€
Reality: Politifact evaluated this and determined that it was only “sort of†true, as he accepts individual donations.
50. Claim: “Obamacare, if you take a look at your premiums, they’re going up 35 percent, 45 percent, 55 percent.â€
Reality: Politifact looked at this one and rated it half-true. “Some insurance plans in the federal exchange will see price hikes at the levels that Trump is suggesting. But he’s cherry-picking the high end of premium changes to come. Estimates for the national average are far below Trump’s figures, ranging from 4.4 percent to 13 percent.â€
51. Claim: “We take the small loans, the people that send $17.50, or $250, even $1,000…†— Trump on donations to his campaign.
Reality: Loans? Really?
52. Claim: “No, I don’t really think so.â€â€” Responding to a question about whether he solicits donations on his website.
Reality: There is a donate button on his website.
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53. Claim: “I am not soliciting money from insurance companies and from lumber companies and from banks and from — if I did, I would have made Jeb Bush look like a baby.â€
Reality: He made Bush look like a baby anyway.
54. Claim: “Just the other night, I’m in Florida, and a very, very rich friend of mine comes up, ‘Donald, I’d like to give you $10 million, I’ll give you anything…’â€
Reality: Highly dubious. You can’t give a candidate money like that. You could give a super PAC that kind of money.
55. Claim: “I think in terms of small donations, I think we’ve received $6 million up until this point.â€
Reality: Cooper corrected him that several times it was $7 million.
56. Claim: “We’re spending a tremendous — billions and billions of dollars on NATO.â€
Reality: Actually, America’s direct spending on NATO is about $500 million annually.
57. Claim: “You don’t have Germany talking about Ukraine.â€
Reality: Yes, you do.
58. Claim: “When Romney came out against me he ran one of the worst races in the history of presidential politics.â€
Reality: Not even the top five.
59. Claim: “Millions of people are coming in and voting, in all fairness, for me.â€
Reality: This is partly true but twisted.
60. Claim: “I don’t want to have [Ted Cruz] be tormented.â€
Reality: False. Trump regularly calls Cruz “Lyin’ Ted.â€
https://youtu.be/-6U0YA3Z2CE
61. Claim: “I’m a very honest guy.â€
Reality: Here is a list of numerous false statements made by Trump compiled by PolitiFact.
62. Claim: “I’m a unifier.â€
Reality: He’s the most unliked candidate.
63. Claim: “Sen. Jeff Sessions, one of the most respected men in the Senate.â€
Reality: Depends on who you ask.
64. Claim: “As one of the magazines recently said, Donald Trump is a world-class businessman.â€
Reality: Trump appears to be quoting himself.
65. Claim: “Do you ever notice my biggest problems are repeats and retweets? I don’t [have] problem(s) with what I say.â€
Reality: Trump routinely draws controversy for his own ideas, including, but not limited to, pledging to ban Muslims from traveling to the United States and proposing to build a wall on the Mexican border.
66. Claim: “The debates, they give you 15 seconds, what would you do in terms of war and peace, OK?â€
Reality: Contenders typically have about one minute to respond.
67. Claim: “Every — Drudge, they do an online poll right after the debate, Time magazine, Slate, many groups do — I think I’ve won every single poll by a lot on debating.â€
Reality: Trump is omitting the fact that online reader polls are basically meaningless. Actual polls, by contrast, haven’t shown him doing as well.
68. Claim: “A lot of people are sending goods over to other countries, and especially goods that can spoil like what you do. They send over to other countries, and the other country refuses to accept them, and yet we accept their goods without tax, without anything.â€
Reality: The process Trump is describing does not occur. The U.S. is not accepting the dregs that are left over after Brazil or France turn away rotten food at their border. But there are legitimate concerns about food safety standards in U.S. trade, particularly with respect to seafood.
69. Claim: “Right now we have illegal immigration, we have illegals all over the country. We have at least 11 million. Some people think it could be 31 million, it’s somewhere in between. It’s probably 12, 13, 14.â€
Reality: Robert Warren, a fellow at the Center for Migration Studies and a former demographer with the Census Bureau and the Immigration and Naturalization Service, told PolitiFact, “there is virtually no evidence that the real number could be even a few million higher than 11 million.â€
70. Claim: “The world is taking advantage of the United States and it’s driving us into literally being a third world nation.â€
Reality: The United States is not “literally†turning into a third world nation. According to the United Nations, the U.S. is still a major developed economy.
71. Claim: “We come home and we land at LaGuardia with potholes all over the place.â€
Reality: There was just one major pothole reported at LaGuardia Airport recently. But the U.S. does, in fact, have outdated and deteriorating infrastructure.
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If someone was to grab me like that, they wake up in a hospital bed.
Now, now. Rabies isn't THAT contagious. I doubt they would catch it from just barely touching you.
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I'm saying that TRUMP is stupid when it comes to everything but sociology and manipulation.
I'm saying that stupid people don't recognize this.
It is possible for stupid people to look at relatively intelligent people and think they're a good fit for president of the United States. It is not possible for relatively intelligent people to look at boorish idiots and think they're a good fit for president of the United States.
It's possible to think that a boorish idiot is a better fit for president than an ego-maniacal whoreshrew who has demonstrated her contempt for normal people and has proven incapable of effective government and whose ideas and policies are anti-American. Yes. Yes it is.
The fact that you keep pounding the anti-Trump drum speaks more to your inability to understand a simple truth (I don't love Trump, I just hate Hillbillary more) than it does to the relative intelligence of the voting populace.
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Oh memez! That sure took apart the line by line sited, sourced fact check that clearly illustrates the man lying 71 times in an hour.
Hillary is worse than Joffrey and Hitler and Dr. Doom and everyone evar including inanimate objects because she lied about Benghazi, but totally fine with a guy who lies literally more than once every single minute he speaks.
Now that I'm not on my phone, here's the copypasta. Refute it with words like a cognizant human being.
Every "Reality" here is corroborated with links. I'm not going to go through an add them here. You'll have to click the link yourself, which you won't do because I know you EVEN IF HE'S WORSE THAN HILLARY, HE'S STILL NOT WORSE THAN HILLARY!!!111
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fact-check_us_56fc375fe4b0daf53aee9175
8. Claim: “She wasn’t supposed to be asking questions because the press conference lasted for 45 minutes.†— Trump on Fields.
Reality: Multiple reporters were asking Trump questions as he left his event that evening.
9. Claim: “Did you see the protester grabbing the woman in front of him? With his hands on her neck?†— Trump on a protester who was also allegedly pulled by Lewandowski.
Reality: The video appears to show the protester bumping into a woman as he is trying to leave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXmsXNKh1pM
10. Claim: “She had a pen in her hand, which could have been a knife, it could have been just a pen, which is very dangerous.†— Trump on Fields.
Reality: Pens are carried all the time by reporters and are widely acknowledged as not very dangerous.
11. Claim: “She wasn’t dragged to the ground.†— Trump on Fields.
Reality: Trump implies here that Fields said she was dragged to the ground. She never did.
She said, “I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance,†which is what the video shows.
12. Claim: “I see Hillary with Benghazi, you know the famous ad, three in the morning, guess what, the phone rang, she wasn’t there.â€
Reality: An email did surface showing that Clinton missed a briefing because she was sleeping. It was not a phone call. And it was at 10:43 a.m., with Clinton likely overseas.
13. Claim: “Nobody respects our president.â€
Reality: This is false in the U.S. and abroad.
14. Claim: “We owe $19 trillion, we have another $2 trillion because of the very, very bad omnibus budget that was just signed.â€
Reality: We do have a $19 trillion debt. But the omnibus was $1.1 trillion.
15. Claim: “It’s a disgrace, which gives everything that Obama wanted.†— Trump on the omnibus.
Reality: President Barack Obama asked for but did not receive additional spending.
16. Claim: “We get nothing.†— Trump on how Republicans fared in the omnibus spending bill.
Reality: As noted by a GOP aide, the party did get some wins, including lifting the oil export ban, tightening the visa waiver program, and stopping the IRS from going after 501c4s.
17. Claim: Because of the omnibus, the debt will climb to $21 trillion.
Reality: The omnibus, as mentioned, is $1.1 trillion. Also, it won’t be chiefly or mostly responsible for the rising debt.
18. Claim: “Most people didn’t know that we are taking care of Japan’s military needs.â€
Reality: Japan actually spends money on U.S. military installations there.
19. Claim: “Iran is going to have [a nuclear bomb] within 10 years.â€
Reality: The Iran deal rolls back and freezes the country’s nuclear program for 15 years. Many aspects of the deal are permanent, including the rigorous inspections and the ban on ever researching, making or possessing a nuclear bomb.
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56fc3d8e1500002a000b3a2d.png)
20. Claim: “It’s going to happen anyway. It’s going to happen anyway.†— Trump, on Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia getting nuclear weapons.
Reality: As Joseph Cirincione, the president of Ploughshares Fund, notes: “Since the height of the Cold War, we have reduced global nuclear stockpiles from almost 70,000 weapons to just over 15,000 weapons.â€
21. Claim: “We don’t have money.†— Trump on America.
Reality: We’re the richest country in the world, and maybe in world history.
22. Claim: “I thought it was a nice picture of Heidi.†— Trump on a picture of Ted Cruz’s wife, Heidi Cruz, contrasted with his wife, Melania, that he re-tweeted.
Reality: There is no way to dip into Trump’s brain. But it’s fair to say that he didn’t think it was a kind or nice picture of her.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/712850174838771712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
23. Claim: “No, it’s not.†— Trump, when told that his insistence that he “didn’t start†the fight over wives with Ted Cruz sounded like the argument a 5-year-old would make.
Reality: “I didn’t start it†is the argument of toddlers and small children.
24. Claim: “He sent out a picture†— Trump, stating that Cruz was responsible for spreading a photo of Melania Trump posing nude for GQ.
Reality: Cruz didn’t send out the picture. An anti-Trump super PAC sent it out.
25. Claim: “They were Romney people.†— Trump, switching blame for the person(s) who sent out the photo.
Reality: Liz Mair, the Republican operative who did send out the picture, is not a Mitt Romney person.
26. Claim: “No, everybody knows he sent it out.†— Trump, blaming Cruz again for sending out the photo.
Reality: Make America Awesome Again PAC, Mair’s group, sent it out.
27. Claim: “I wouldn’t have China walking away with trade deficits of $505 billion a year.â€
Reality: The trade deficit was $365 billion in 2015.
28. Claim: “We have a president who won’t talk about it.†— Trump on Obama and radical Islam.
Reality: Obama won’t use the term “radical Islam,†but he regularly talks about terrorism perpetrated by ISIS.
"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam."
President Barack Obama
29. Claim: “If bullets were going in the opposite direction, you wouldn’t have had the problems in those two places, that I can tell you.†— Trump, on the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino and Paris.
Reality: The United States has a Second Amendment — and still has more gun deaths than anywhere else. Also, arming more citizens leads to more unintentional shootings.
30. Claim: “I was against the war in Iraq. OK.â€
Reality: Trump spoke supportively of the invasion in 2002.
31. Claim: “We have no idea who they are, we have no idea where is their paperwork. They have no paperwork; they have no identification.†— Trump on Syrian refugees.
Reality: Syrian refugees are the most heavily vetted group coming to the U.S. The process takes a year and a half to two years.
32. Claim: “Lots of things happening in the mosques, that’s been proven.†— Trump on terrorism plotting activities.
Reality: There haven’t been mosques connected to Islamic State attacks in the U.S. Mosque leaders are in fact experiencing death threats and vandalism.
33. Claim: “They had bombs on the floor. Many people saw this. Many, many people.†— Trump on the San Bernardino shooters.
Reality: A couple neighbors of one shooter’s mother, in a different town, noticed packages being delivered. Nobody saw bombs.
34. Claim: “Nobody wants to call it a war.†— Trump on the fight against terrorism.
Reality: The Bush administration coined the phrase “War on Terror.â€
35. Claim: “It’s such lies.†— Trump on accusations that he wasn’t a successful businessman.
Reality: There are real questions about how Trump actually managed his money, with outlets pointing out that he would have done better just investing in an index fund.
36. Claim: “Brooklyn had not a lot of value. Brooklyn was not a great place to be.†— Trump, explaining that his father had limited his earning potential by operating in an outer borough.
Reality: If Brooklyn had been its own city in 1960, it would have been the fourth-most populous city in the U.S. behind the rest of New York, Chicago and LA.
37. Claim: “I started off with a very, very small amount of money.â€
Reality: His father gave him a $1 million loan, which is objectively not a small amount of money.
38. Claim: “My father didn’t leave a great fortune.â€
Reality: Citing the Trump family’s own estimate, The New York Times reported that when Fred Trump died in 1999, he was worth $250-300 million. That’s about $356-427 million in 2016 dollars, per the BLS calculator.
39. Claim: “Now I’m worth over $10 billion.â€
Reality: Estimates of Trump’s worth vary wildly. But Forbes put it at around $4.5 billion.
40. Claim: “Only a fool would give a tax return [during an audit].â€
Realty: Lawyers do advise against doing this. But nothing about being audited prevents Trump from releasing his tax records.
41. Claim: “Well, the greatest function of all by far [for the U.S. government] is security for our nation. I would also say health care, I would also say education.â€
Reality: Trump didn’t mention that he has called for disbanding the Department of Education, which would make it a non-priority for the U.S. government under his presidency.
42. Claim: “Thousands and thousands of people are infiltrating our country.â€
Reality: While immigration estimates are tough to measure, there is no evidence that “thousands and thousands†of terrorists are infiltrating our country. Even fearful estimates say 82 specific individuals with ties to ISIS have entered the country since March 2014.
43. Claim: “Our military is being eaten away.â€
Reality: The Associated Press fact-checked claims that President Barack Obama has gutted the military and found that “Total spending for the modernization for major weapons systems actually has remained stable†since 2009.
44. Claim: “If I get in, our military will be bigger, better, stronger than ever before. It’s the cheapest thing we can do.â€
Reality: The U.S. already spends more on defense than the next seven countries combined. Trump hasn’t outlined a specific plan for expanding the military — other than saying he will make it “so big, so strong and so great, so powerful†— but estimates of the costs of other GOP plans for expanding the military have placed them at upwards of $17 billion a year.
45. Claim: “Obamacare is a disaster.â€
Reality: It’s actually pretty OK.
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56fc3e821e0000b300705ce8.png)
46. Claim: “The government can lead [health care], but it should be privately done.â€
Reality: We don’t know what this means. Even under the Affordable Care Act, the actual insurers are private.
47. Claim: “We should probably have — we have to have private health care.â€
Reality: The health care system is, and has been for many decades, a private-public mix, and that barely budged because of the ACA.
48. Claim: “The problem that we have in our country is we don’t have competition.â€
Reality: The entire ACA apparatus is built on insurers competing for customers on a regulated private market.
49. Claim: “I am self-funding.â€
Reality: Politifact evaluated this and determined that it was only “sort of†true, as he accepts individual donations.
50. Claim: “Obamacare, if you take a look at your premiums, they’re going up 35 percent, 45 percent, 55 percent.â€
Reality: Politifact looked at this one and rated it half-true. “Some insurance plans in the federal exchange will see price hikes at the levels that Trump is suggesting. But he’s cherry-picking the high end of premium changes to come. Estimates for the national average are far below Trump’s figures, ranging from 4.4 percent to 13 percent.â€
51. Claim: “We take the small loans, the people that send $17.50, or $250, even $1,000…†— Trump on donations to his campaign.
Reality: Loans? Really?
52. Claim: “No, I don’t really think so.â€â€” Responding to a question about whether he solicits donations on his website.
Reality: There is a donate button on his website.
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56fc3efc150000ad000b3a2f.png)
53. Claim: “I am not soliciting money from insurance companies and from lumber companies and from banks and from — if I did, I would have made Jeb Bush look like a baby.â€
Reality: He made Bush look like a baby anyway.
54. Claim: “Just the other night, I’m in Florida, and a very, very rich friend of mine comes up, ‘Donald, I’d like to give you $10 million, I’ll give you anything…’â€
Reality: Highly dubious. You can’t give a candidate money like that. You could give a super PAC that kind of money.
55. Claim: “I think in terms of small donations, I think we’ve received $6 million up until this point.â€
Reality: Cooper corrected him that several times it was $7 million.
56. Claim: “We’re spending a tremendous — billions and billions of dollars on NATO.â€
Reality: Actually, America’s direct spending on NATO is about $500 million annually.
57. Claim: “You don’t have Germany talking about Ukraine.â€
Reality: Yes, you do.
58. Claim: “When Romney came out against me he ran one of the worst races in the history of presidential politics.â€
Reality: Not even the top five.
59. Claim: “Millions of people are coming in and voting, in all fairness, for me.â€
Reality: This is partly true but twisted.
60. Claim: “I don’t want to have [Ted Cruz] be tormented.â€
Reality: False. Trump regularly calls Cruz “Lyin’ Ted.â€
https://youtu.be/-6U0YA3Z2CE
61. Claim: “I’m a very honest guy.â€
Reality: Here is a list of numerous false statements made by Trump compiled by PolitiFact.
62. Claim: “I’m a unifier.â€
Reality: He’s the most unliked candidate.
63. Claim: “Sen. Jeff Sessions, one of the most respected men in the Senate.â€
Reality: Depends on who you ask.
64. Claim: “As one of the magazines recently said, Donald Trump is a world-class businessman.â€
Reality: Trump appears to be quoting himself.
65. Claim: “Do you ever notice my biggest problems are repeats and retweets? I don’t [have] problem(s) with what I say.â€
Reality: Trump routinely draws controversy for his own ideas, including, but not limited to, pledging to ban Muslims from traveling to the United States and proposing to build a wall on the Mexican border.
66. Claim: “The debates, they give you 15 seconds, what would you do in terms of war and peace, OK?â€
Reality: Contenders typically have about one minute to respond.
67. Claim: “Every — Drudge, they do an online poll right after the debate, Time magazine, Slate, many groups do — I think I’ve won every single poll by a lot on debating.â€
Reality: Trump is omitting the fact that online reader polls are basically meaningless. Actual polls, by contrast, haven’t shown him doing as well.
68. Claim: “A lot of people are sending goods over to other countries, and especially goods that can spoil like what you do. They send over to other countries, and the other country refuses to accept them, and yet we accept their goods without tax, without anything.â€
Reality: The process Trump is describing does not occur. The U.S. is not accepting the dregs that are left over after Brazil or France turn away rotten food at their border. But there are legitimate concerns about food safety standards in U.S. trade, particularly with respect to seafood.
69. Claim: “Right now we have illegal immigration, we have illegals all over the country. We have at least 11 million. Some people think it could be 31 million, it’s somewhere in between. It’s probably 12, 13, 14.â€
Reality: Robert Warren, a fellow at the Center for Migration Studies and a former demographer with the Census Bureau and the Immigration and Naturalization Service, told PolitiFact, “there is virtually no evidence that the real number could be even a few million higher than 11 million.â€
70. Claim: “The world is taking advantage of the United States and it’s driving us into literally being a third world nation.â€
Reality: The United States is not “literally†turning into a third world nation. According to the United Nations, the U.S. is still a major developed economy.
71. Claim: “We come home and we land at LaGuardia with potholes all over the place.â€
Reality: There was just one major pothole reported at LaGuardia Airport recently. But the U.S. does, in fact, have outdated and deteriorating infrastructure.
Here is the only reality that matters.
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I don't care if he lies 971 times an hour. You think you're winning but you're just drowning yourself. All you've done is push me (and others) more to the Trump side.
What he says? Who cares?
What she does? Proven.
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It's possible to think that a boorish idiot is a better fit for president than an ego-maniacal whoreshrew who has demonstrated her contempt for normal people and has proven incapable of effective government and whose ideas and policies are anti-American. Yes. Yes it is.
The fact that you keep pounding the anti-Trump drum speaks more to your inability to understand a simple truth (I don't love Trump, I just hate Hillbillary more) than it does to the relative intelligence of the voting populace.
I understand perfectly clear.
EVEN IF HE'S WORSE THAN HILLARY, HE'S STILL NOT WORSE THAN HILLARY!!!111
That about sums it up right? You are removed from reality.
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If we have to start fact checking around here, I'm afraid the x will collapse.
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I'm just relieved the stupid sonuvabitch keeps saying enough to destroy any chance he had.
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You see that image because you're looking in, what sane people call, a mirror.
He grabbed her arm, enough to apparently leave bruise marks. If someone was to grab me like that, they wake up in a hospital bed.
^^^bad ass alert. Don't mess with him guys. He played for West Alabama, ya know.
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Wisconsin could be an interesting turning point in this election. If Cruz takes all of the delegates (he's leading Trump by 10% in the latest polls) it will be difficult for Trump (or anyone else) to get to the convention with the 1,237 needed to wrap up the nomination.
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As for the Michelle Fields thing...
I haven't really chimed in on that because to me that's an example of exactly the kind of thing that has given rise to Trump. The media, ESPECIALLY the anti-Trump conservative media, are going full-in on this SJW white-knighting of Michelle here.
She's being a mellow-dramatic attention whore, IMO.
She tried to get too close to a presidential candidate and his security guard pushed her out of the way and she's trying to make a fucking federal case out of it like he beat her brains in...come on people.
And the weird thing is virtually everyone I follow on Twitter seems to agree that if you don't 100% think this is criminal battery and should be made a huge fucking deal then you're a misogynist that endorses abusing women...
Here's the audio of the the actual incident where it is abundantly clear that A) She was not battered and it was hardly ACTUALLY traumatic, B) She was being a dramatic little crybaby about it, and C) The Ben Terris guy was being a white knight and the two of them fabricated the story right then and there.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/transcript-corey-lewandowski-breitbart-reporter-attack-220589
Additionally, this is from Alex Jones's nutjob site, but I don't disagree with anything here.
https://youtu.be/LkLrr9Ydl9g
ALL THAT SAID:
Trump STILL handled it terribly, as per usual. He & Lewandowsky still flatly lied about it by saying the whole thing never happened at all and made this more of a thing than it had to be.
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Saw this on a car in Auburn today.
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It's not incorrect. There is a kitchen in the White House.
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Here's a pretty rational take on the whole Fields thing that pretty much sums up my opinion on it.
https://www.allthink.com/1133325
Michelle Fields: A few thoughts
A few quick thoughts on the Michelle Fields situation.
(1) After reviewing all the different videos, it seems pretty clear to me that Corey Lewandowski did grab and yank then-Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields, hard enough to make her stumble and to leave bruises on her arm. Was it what most people think of as assault? No. Is it technically assault and battery? Yes.
(2) Was it somewhat exaggerated in the retelling? Yes, I think so. Ben Terris's initial account in The Washington Post makes it sound like Michelle Fields was seriously shaken. But in the audio of the conversation between Fields and Terris on the scene, caught on Fields's own audio recorder and published by Politico, she sounds at the most nonplussed and annoyed, and at times amused. (One pro-Trump blogger has ludicrously suggested that she staged the incident including the audio; but if that were the case, wouldn't she have put on an act of fear and distress?) I think Terris overdramatized the incident a bit, and others turned it into Fields being nearly thrown to the ground, perhaps because of an earlier incident of a Time photographer being shoved to the ground (by a Secret Service agent) at a Trump rally.
(3) Does that mean it's a non-issue? No. Lewandowski's behavior was clearly inappropriate. The Trump campaign could have quickly neutralized the issue by apologizing. Instead they circled the wagons and called Fields a delusional liar.
(4) Would this have been a non-issue if Fields had been a man? I think there's a certainly chivalry factor on both the left and the right, but Lewandowski has also been criticized for grabbing a male protester by the collar. Some of the pro-Fields commentary has stressed the fact that she's a woman more than I would like. On the other hand, some of the Fields-bashing has been rather overtly sexist, along the lines of "women lie."
(Incidentally, it's not unheard-of for men to use exaggerated claims of assault for political advantage. There was an incident in my area in New Jersey some years ago in which a male local politician filed an assault charge against a female pol with whom he was feuding because she snatched a paper from his hand during an argument at a meeting, which he claimed gave him a paper cut.)
(5) I have somewhat mixed feelings about the letter in support of Fields with an all-female list of conservative signatories. I don't think gender should be an issue here. But generally, I agree with the points made in the letter.
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As for the Michelle Fields thing...
I haven't really chimed in on that because to me that's an example of exactly the kind of thing that has given rise to Trump. The media, ESPECIALLY the anti-Trump conservative media, are going full-in on this SJW white-knighting of Michelle here.
She's being a mellow-dramatic attention whore, IMO.
She tried to get too close to a presidential candidate and his security guard pushed her out of the way and she's trying to make a fucking federal case out of it like he beat her brains in...come on people.
And the weird thing is virtually everyone I follow on Twitter seems to agree that if you don't 100% think this is criminal battery and should be made a huge fucking deal then you're a misogynist that endorses abusing women...
Here's the audio of the the actual incident where it is abundantly clear that A) She was not battered and it was hardly ACTUALLY traumatic, B) She was being a dramatic little crybaby about it, and C) The Ben Terris guy was being a white knight and the two of them fabricated the story right then and there.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/transcript-corey-lewandowski-breitbart-reporter-attack-220589
Additionally, this is from Alex Jones's nutjob site, but I don't disagree with anything here.
https://youtu.be/LkLrr9Ydl9g
ALL THAT SAID:
Trump STILL handled it terribly, as per usual. He & Lewandowsky still flatly lied about it by saying the whole thing never happened at all and made this more of a thing than it had to be.
He "flatly lied."
*sigh*
He was charged with battery and assault. He said he didn't do it and never even met the person accusing him of such.
Look at the video. Watch his head. He never even looks at her face. He's clearing space, period. It probably happens a hundred times a night. She didn't even register in his consciousness.
If somebody accused me of assault for a similar incident? I'd probably say the same thing. How could I have assaulted somebody I've never even seen before? If I grab somebody and try to throw them to the ground, I'm going to remember them a little. There's almost zero chance he even remembers this "incident"
I'd hardly call that "blatantly lying."
Every word that ridiculous bitch said? Yeah. Blatant lie.
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Look at the video. Watch his head. He never even looks at her face. He's clearing space, period. It probably happens a hundred times a night. She didn't even register in his consciousness.
Yep. I said that a hundred posts ago. He probably has to do this a lot.
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He "flatly lied."
*sigh*
He was charged with battery and assault. He said he didn't do it and never even met the person accusing him of such.
Look at the video. Watch his head. He never even looks at her face. He's clearing space, period. It probably happens a hundred times a night. She didn't even register in his consciousness.
If somebody accused me of assault for a similar incident? I'd probably say the same thing. How could I have assaulted somebody I've never even seen before? If I grab somebody and try to throw them to the ground, I'm going to remember them a little. There's almost zero chance he even remembers this "incident"
I'd hardly call that "blatantly lying."
Every word that ridiculous bitch said? Yeah. Blatant lie.
The fact remains he DID grab and jerk her arm hard enough to leave bruises on her arm and make her stumble. Even if she (and other members of the media) are wildly exaggerating it, doesn't mean that part isn't true. Any normal public figure would have AT LEAST said "Yeah, we regret that happened, but he has to do his job in protecting me, but we apologize if any physical harm was done," blah blah whatever.
Instead Lewandowski tweets this at her:
https://twitter.com/CLewandowski_/status/708162663579144192
@MichelleFields you are totally delusional. I never touched you. As a matter of fact, I have never even met you.
And Trump got on TV and calls her a crazy liar.
I'm not blindly defending her like most of the media are, but that still doesn't mean Trump handled it even remotely with the decor of someone fit for the Oval Office...
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Michelle Fields: A few thoughts
A few quick thoughts on the Michelle Fields situation.
(1) After reviewing all the different videos, it seems pretty clear to me that Corey Lewandowski did grab and yank then-Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields, hard enough to make her stumble and to leave bruises on her arm. Was it what most people think of as assault? No. Is it technically assault and battery? Yes.
Then whoever wrote this is an idiot. Stumble? Bruises? Only if you are a one-legged toddler with hemophilia. If that's technically assault and battery then I see it committed a thousand times a day. Why just this morning I saw a woman about to step into a pool of vomit outside Target. I tapped her on the upper arm and pointed to the puke. Arrest me.
(2) Was it somewhat exaggerated in the retelling? Yes, I think so. Ben Terris's initial account in The Washington Post makes it sound like Michelle Fields was seriously shaken. But in the audio of the conversation between Fields and Terris on the scene, caught on Fields's own audio recorder and published by Politico, she sounds at the most nonplussed and annoyed, and at times amused. (One pro-Trump blogger has ludicrously suggested that she staged the incident including the audio; but if that were the case, wouldn't she have put on an act of fear and distress?) I think Terris overdramatized the incident a bit, and others turned it into Fields being nearly thrown to the ground, perhaps because of an earlier incident of a Time photographer being shoved to the ground (by a Secret Service agent) at a Trump rally.
Overdramatized a bit? How about lied like a motherfucker?
(3) Does that mean it's a non-issue? No. Lewandowski's behavior was clearly inappropriate. The Trump campaign could have quickly neutralized the issue by apologizing. Instead they circled the wagons and called Fields a delusional liar.
Clearly inappropriate? In what world? Pussyland? You're really going to tell me you've never seen a person with some responsibility in regard to the safety and security of another person establish a perimeter by edging people back? There's "assault and battery" by every 'get back' coach at every high school, college and pro game. There's assault at every Mardi Gras parade by police. There was assault at the Elton John concert when security held the drunk man's arm and pointed him to his seat.
THIS is what's wrong with America. Apologize? Apologize for what? Behavior was ASTONISHINGLY APPROPRIATE given the circumstance. That bitch wasn't supposed to be in his personal space as he was leaving a crowded area. She got edged back as she well fucking should have. She is a motherfucking delusional "let's bash Trump and make a stink out if it" liar. She's a fucktard. I support 1 billion percent the "fuck you, you whining whore" stance they took. I'm glad they did. I'd have been pissed if they apologized beyond "Sorry she embarrassed herself by acting like an idiot."
(4) Would this have been a non-issue if Fields had been a man? I think there's a certainly chivalry factor on both the left and the right, but Lewandowski has also been criticized for grabbing a male protester by the collar. Some of the pro-Fields commentary has stressed the fact that she's a woman more than I would like. On the other hand, some of the Fields-bashing has been rather overtly sexist, along the lines of "women lie."
(Incidentally, it's not unheard-of for men to use exaggerated claims of assault for political advantage. There was an incident in my area in New Jersey some years ago in which a male local politician filed an assault charge against a female pol with whom he was feuding because she snatched a paper from his hand during an argument at a meeting, which he claimed gave him a paper cut.)
This is a stupid attempt at a point and makes sense only to a moron. Waste of effort.
(5) I have somewhat mixed feelings about the letter in support of Fields with an all-female list of conservative signatories. I don't think gender should be an issue here. But generally, I agree with the points made in the letter.
Fuck anybody who supports this flighty cum reservoir.
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The fact remains he DID grab and jerk her arm hard enough to leave bruises on her arm and make her stumble. Even if she (and other members of the media) are wildly exaggerating it, doesn't mean that part isn't true. Any normal public figure would have AT LEAST said "Yeah, we regret that happened, but he has to do his job in protecting me, but we apologize if any physical harm was done," blah blah whatever.
Instead Lewandowski tweets this at her:
https://twitter.com/CLewandowski_/status/708162663579144192
And Trump got on TV and calls her a crazy liar.
I'm not blindly defending her like most of the media are, but that still doesn't mean Trump handled it even remotely with the decor of someone fit for the Oval Office...
The fact remains that he DIDN'T "jerk her arm" or do anything that would cause "bruising."
Fuck her.
She IS a crazy liar and probably bruised herself in a pathetic attempt to bash Trump and gain attention.
Fuck her again.
FUCK apologizing. There's too much of that going around. I rather admire and respect the "fuck you, you whining mommy part" response as opposed to the PC "we're sorry" groveling that any other candidate would have done.
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Then whoever wrote this is an idiot. Stumble? Bruises? Only if you are a one-legged toddler with hemophilia. If that's technically assault and battery then I see it committed a thousand times a day. Why just this morning I saw a woman about to step into a pool of vomit outside Target. I tapped her on the upper arm and pointed to the puke. Arrest me.
(http://weambulance.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/fields-bruises-3-11-16.png)
This is not debatable. That is her arm and it's bruised. Maybe she's a like WE!!! said his wife is and bruises easily. Again, I think she's probably overreacting. But it is a fact that he bruised her arm no matter what tantrum you want to throw over it.
Overdramatized a bit? How about lied like a motherfucker?
What is an out-and-out lie? He grabbed her, he bruised her, he knocked her off balance. Those are facts. Again, I agree she made a bigger deal about it than necessary, and overdramatized it, but the facts are there.
Clearly inappropriate? In what world? Pussyland? You're really going to tell me you've never seen a person with some responsibility in regard to the safety and security of another person establish a perimeter by edging people back? There's "assault and battery" by every 'get back' coach at every high school, college and pro game. There's assault at every Mardi Gras parade by police. There was assault at the Elton John concert when security held the drunk man's arm and pointed him to his seat.
THIS is what's wrong with America. Apologize? Apologize for what? Behavior was ASTONISHINGLY APPROPRIATE given the circumstance. That bitch wasn't supposed to be in his personal space as he was leaving a crowded area. She got edged back as she well fucking should have. She is a motherfucking delusional "let's bash Trump and make a stink out if it" liar. She's a fucktard. I support 1 billion percent the "fuck you, you whining whore" stance they took. I'm glad they did. I'd have been pissed if they apologized beyond "Sorry she embarrassed herself by acting like an idiot."
Except she wasn't a drunk at an Elton John concert or playing in a High School football game and was clearly not any real danger to Trump. She was a journalist trying to ask him a question. Trump acted like he was attacking him with a weapon.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/714898756420939780
Why is this reporter touching me as I leave news conference? What is in her hand??
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CevUgydWAAA-JkR.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CevUgycWQAE2CWD.jpg)
Come the fuck on. THIS is not how a reasonable public figure handles this. Acting like he felt danger that he was being ATTACKED by a journalist because she had a fucking pen in her hand.
This is a stupid attempt at a point and makes sense only to a moron. Waste of effort.
What do you disagree with here? It seems like you're just flailing to argue with a wall here. You disagree that it would be a non-issue if it were a man? You realize she is making a point that fits your side of the argument here right? She's saying if a man got pushed out of the way in exactly the same way, we wouldn't be talking about it. Since it "doesn't make sense to you", I guess you completely missed that.
Fuck anybody who supports this flighty cum reservoir.
Thoughtful rebuke...
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(http://weambulance.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/fields-bruises-3-11-16.png)
This is not debatable. That is her arm and it's bruised. But it is a fact that he bruised her arm no matter what tantrum you want to throw over it.
He grabbed her, he bruised her, he knocked her off balance. Those are facts.
How do you know that is her arm? How do you know that in fact the bruise resulted from the reported incident?
And yes, it looked like he did "grab" her, but it IS debatable that he bruised her or knocked her off balance. Those are NOT facts.
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How do you know that is her arm? How do you know that in fact the bruise resulted from the reported incident?
And yes, it looked like he did "grab" her, but it IS debatable that he bruised her or knocked her off balance. Those are NOT facts.
Because I'm not a fucking conspiracy theorist and when a woman posts pictures of their bruised arm, I'm not jumping to assume she googled pictures of bruises and posted them to Twitter. Christ, even Trump didn't suggest that...
And the video has been posted several times in this thread. If you don't think she lost her balance after the altercation, I don't know what to tell you...
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(http://weambulance.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/fields-bruises-3-11-16.png)
This is not debatable. That is her arm and it's bruised. Maybe she's a like WE!!! said his wife is and bruises easily. Again, I think she's probably overreacting. But it is a fact that he bruised her arm no matter what tantrum you want to throw over it.
It IS debatable. Is that her arm? How do we know? How is it bruised there, when she wasn't touched in that place? She lied already. Why would you put it past her to do that to herself? If she bruises from being edged back in a crowd she needs to go to a doctor. She may have some medical issues.
What is an out-and-out lie? He grabbed her, he bruised her, he knocked her off balance. Those are facts. Again, I agree she made a bigger deal about it than necessary, and overdramatized it, but the facts are there.
No grab.
No bruise.
No off balance.
All bullshit.
Except she wasn't a drunk at an Elton John concert or playing in a High School football game and was clearly not any real danger to Trump. She was a journalist trying to ask him a question. Trump acted like he was attacking him with a weapon.
Horseshit. Trump acted like nothing. The guy was clearing the space around him and Trump didn't even register it.
Let Clinton (or any other candidate) be walking through a crowd (that isn't behind barricades because that's the only way ShrewWhore will do it, she doesn't want to be touched by commoners) and have somebody get up in their personal space. They'll be moved back or, more likely, they won't even get that close. Reporter or not. "Reporter" doesn't mean you get to do whatever the fuck you want and wander up where anybody else would be restrained. So yeah, fuck her.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/714898756420939780
Come the fuck on. THIS is not how a reasonable public figure handles this. Acting like he felt danger that he was being ATTACKED by a journalist because she had a fucking pen in her hand.
What do you disagree with here? It seems like you're just flailing to argue with a wall here. You disagree that it would be a non-issue if it were a man? You realize she is making a point that fits your side of the argument here right? She's saying if a man got pushed out of the way in exactly the same way, we wouldn't be talking about it. Since it "doesn't make sense to you", I guess you completely missed that.
Thoughtful rebuke...
I guess you're missing the part where people don't want a "reasonable public figure." That's a big part of what's wrong. The rules for "reasonable public figures" are asinine.
I don't care whether it's a man or a woman. It's an issue because this paper-thin bitch made it one for political reasons -- period.
If that's a pen, why is she holding it like that?
Have you ever been the focus of a crowd of people? Have you ever had throngs pressing up against you?
She has no right to touch him and the fact that she has something in her hand makes her doubly suspicious. He doesn't know her or her motives.
I like the smart ass twitter deal. I think it makes her look stupid and invasive. I'd rather see that than bullshitty pandering anybody else would have given in response.
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Oh.... Prowler is in this video.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4824089680001/protesters-struggle-to-specify-why-they-want-to-stop-trump/?#sp=show-clips
Check the 1:02 and 1:19 mark.
That's Prowler. 120%.
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The cult of Trump won't even let me agree and give them the benefit of the doubt because they can't even accept the reality that Trump acted as much like a fucking baby as this reporter did. She did not fucking attack him or anything that even looked close to that. She got close to him to ask him a question. And was jerked away and stumbled into Ben Terris behind her.
I'm trying to agree that she overdramatized the whole thing and it's not something that should have generated anywhere the hysteria that it did.
AT SOME POINT bruises appeared on her arm. Maybe she did them to herself. I'm not going to automatically assume that, but fine if you want to.
Only an insane person would even posit this shit right here:
If that's a pen, why is she holding it like that?
You are as overdramatic as Fields.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y96iyHBhIe0
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^^^bad ass alert. Don't mess with him guys. He played for West Alabama, ya know.
Call it whatever you want. I'll call it what it is, the truth.
Trump is going to go up against isis, terrorists, Mexican drug cartels...crys foul when a reporter is trying to ask him questions, touches his jacket sleeve with a pen in her hand.
Yeah, Make America Great Again...AAAGGGHHHAHAHAHA!!!!! He's a fuckin lawsuit pussy. Someone needs to tell him, terrorists aren't afraid of lawsuits. Someone should also mention that he can't claim bankruptcy for the whole Country to get out of paying China their 19 Trillion dollars.
Again, the poorly educated loves him and he loves them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y96iyHBhIe0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtlXkJGKwao
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y96iyHBhIe0
That would be the funniest bombshell I've ever seen...and YES, he's gay without a doubt. Just like Rubio.
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Whether or not you think the woman was manhandled, she appears to have been bruised by am an unwanted touching.
The bruising is unnecessary to maintain an action for battery, as only an unwanted touching will sustain the action. As for the bruising, and the dismissal of her injury, the legal concept is known as the egg-shell skull plaintiff. You take your plaintiff as you find them, with all their particular sensitivitIes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtlXkJGKwao
^ Didn't watch the video. But.
Given the full context of that video, no reasonable person can possibly think that is more moronic and bizare than any of this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCC0n4fBwkc
And that video doesn't even include this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqtoUFW5svQ
Once again:
EVEN IF HE'S WORSE THAN HILLARY, HE'S STILL NOT WORSE THAN HILLARY!!!111
You're a clown.
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Whether or not you think the woman was manhandled, she appears to have been bruised by am an unwanted touching.
The bruising is unnecessary to maintain an action for battery, as only an unwanted touching will sustain the action. As for the bruising, and the dismissal of her injury, the legal concept is known as the egg-shell skull plaintiff. You take your plaintiff as you find them, with all their particular sensitivitIes.
All this talk of unwanted touching and bruising is getting me kinda horny.
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Whether or not you think the woman was manhandled, she appears to have been bruised by am an unwanted touching.
The bruising is unnecessary to maintain an action for battery, as only an unwanted touching will sustain the action. As for the bruising, and the dismissal of her injury, the legal concept is known as the egg-shell skull plaintiff. You take your plaintiff as you find them, with all their particular sensitivitIes.
You get too close to a candidate (or hell, even an entertainment figure) and you're going to be touched "unwantedly."
Again, I reiterate, fuck her.
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Again, the poorly educated loves him and he loves them.
It's ironic that I've yet to read a post that you've made regarding the poorly educated that is grammatically correct. Or, maybe it isn't.
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I happen to know that Chizzy has bruised a dick or ten much worse than that bitch's arm. I'll bet he won't be posting any links about that.
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Once again:
You're a clown.
This is the disconnect. You talk about how Trump is an asshole and how he's rude.
In 57 pages of crap, a lot of it pointless on your part, I've not said anything about you personally.
And yet you've called me a clown (above).
You've said I'm a moron.
You've said I'm uneducated, stupid, dim, insane...
And so on and so on and so on to infinity.
You make your alleged points, make personal slurs, refuse to accept my reasoning and somehow I'm the cult member, I'm the idiot, I'm the knuckle dragger.
If you don't see the irony in that?
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This is the disconnect. You talk about how Trump is an asshole and how he's rude.
In 57 pages of crap, a lot of it pointless on your part, I've not said anything about you personally.
And yet you've called me a clown (above).
You've said I'm a moron.
You've said I'm uneducated, stupid, dim, insane...
And so on and so on and so on to infinity.
You make your alleged points, make personal slurs, refuse to accept my reasoning and somehow I'm the cult member, I'm the idiot, I'm the knuckle dragger.
If you don't see the irony in that?
For the record, I have called him a cocksucker a time or two and you Liked my post. Not the same as accusing but still. You aren't without sin.
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For the record, I have called him a cocksucker a time or two and you Liked my post. Not the same as accusing but still. You aren't without sin.
Well now wait a minute, was it true? cause if it was true then that is not a derogatory remark, that is just a description a fun night out....or in.
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You get too close to a candidate (or hell, even an entertainment figure) and you're going to be touched "unwantedly."
Again, I reiterate, fuck her.
Again, logic and cogent thought out the window.
Kudos, at least you're consistent.
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Again, logic and cogent thought out the window.
Kudos, at least you're consistent.
Logic: If a person invades the personal space of a candidate, they will be removed from said space by someone (guard, advisor, whoever is in the vicinity).
Cogent Thought: This woman invaded his personal space. She was close enough to put her hand on him. That's a no go. It's not going to be allowed by her or by anybody who is not a part of the entourage or a known figure. Could Barbara Walters have walked up and gotten that close? Sure. But who knew who this bitch with the paper-thin skin was? Was she waving her credentials? Did she have her little "Scoop" Olsen hat with the press tag sticking out of the band? Why no. Random chick who had something semi-concealed in her hand.
Cogent Thought: This doesn't happen in a vacuum with the benefit of slo-mo photography. It happens in the blink of an eye. The entire "confrontation" lasted less than five seconds. She advanced on the candidate with something in her hand and was guided back out of the way. You're being purposely obstinate if you think a similar situation would have been handled differently by any of the swarm of security that surrounds ShreWhore. The difference there is that nobody would have been that close. She walks behind barricades and/or hiding in a throng of ten men.
Logic: Since she got too close, since she had some unknown object in her hand, since she was not readily identifiable as a "journalist" she was moved back as well she should have been.
Additional logic: Fuck her for making an issue of this, because the only reason she is has nothing to do with her "trauma" or her "assault." It's all about throwing poo at Trump through the flimsiest of excuses.
Final logic. Fuck her.
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Again, logic and cogent thought out the window.
Kudos, at least you're consistent.
Now, now, you're bullying him. This guy's afraid of pens, so pointing out the complete fucking absence of logic, fact, reason, or common sense in anything he has said in the last several pages is a personal attack.
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Well now wait a minute, was it true? cause if it was true then that is not a derogatory remark, that is just a description a fun night out....or in.
I do not post willy nilly. Unlike most, I verify before posting. And I call it like it is. Sometimes the truth hurts.
I may not be cogent (i.e. queer) but I am bonafide.
In short, yes. He will suck a blister on a dick.
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Now, now, you're bullying him. This guy's afraid of pens, so pointing out the complete fucking absence of logic, fact, reason, or common sense in anything he has said in the last several pages is a personal attack.
Apologies. Maybe they need a safe space.
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Now, now, you're bullying him. This guy's afraid of pens, so pointing out the complete fucking absence of logic, fact, reason, or common sense in anything he has said in the last several pages is a personal attack.
Everything I've posted is factual, reasonable, logical and often amusing (even if only to myself)
Haven't attacked you personally.
It's illogical to me that you can look at that video, see what happened, realize that it happened in the blink of an eye and not conclude that the guy acted with reasonable restraint because he had no way of knowing what she had in her hand and because she was way too close.
Sure. In hindsight we know it was a pen (or was it?) and we know she was a so-called journalist. But that wasn't known in the micro second he had to process the information in front of him.
He was right to pull her back. If he'd thrown her to the ground in a hammer lock to figure out what she had in her hand I'd be fine with that too.
I'm dumbfounded by the refusal to accept that the exact same thing would have happened to anyone who approached Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Kanye, Taylor Swift, LeBron, Riley Steele, Dan Patrick or Gene Simmons in the same manner.
Hell, I can attest to that. Went to see Gene at a promotional thing years ago. He stepped off into the crowd and started a surge toward him. I was trapped in that and being pushed toward him. When the crowd pushed me into his path and up against his chest, actually, a couple of security guys not-so-gently stiff armed me back.
You see this alleged incident (and the reaction to the over-hysterical response by the paper-thin bitch) as symptomatic of something wrong with Trump and his campaign.
I see it as something terribly wrong with the people who are willing to manufacture issues in an attempt to drag him down and a symptom of the current woe-is-me pussified culture.
I think she's 120% wrong and the guy was only doing what he should. I don't see the need for any sort of apology and I honestly wish somebody had actually beaten her ass to a pulp so she'd have something legitimate to cry about. I don't give one limp fuck about her "feelings"
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Everything I've posted is factual, reasonable, logical and often amusing (even if only to myself)
Haven't attacked you personally.
It's illogical to me that you can look at that video, see what happened, realize that it happened in the blink of an eye and not conclude that the guy acted with reasonable restraint because he had no way of knowing what she had in her hand and because she was way too close.
Sure. In hindsight we know it was a pen (or was it?) and we know she was a so-called journalist. But that wasn't known in the micro second he had to process the information in front of him.
He was right to pull her back. If he'd thrown her to the ground in a hammer lock to figure out what she had in her hand I'd be fine with that too.
I'm dumbfounded by the refusal to accept that the exact same thing would have happened to anyone who approached Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Kanye, Taylor Swift, LeBron, Riley Steele, Dan Patrick or Gene Simmons in the same manner.
Hell, I can attest to that. Went to see Gene at a promotional thing years ago. He stepped off into the crowd and started a surge toward him. I was trapped in that and being pushed toward him. When the crowd pushed me into his path and up against his chest, actually, a couple of security guys not-so-gently stiff armed me back.
You see this alleged incident (and the reaction to the over-hysterical response by the paper-thin bitch) as symptomatic of something wrong with Trump and his campaign.
I see it as something terribly wrong with the people who are willing to manufacture issues in an attempt to drag him down and a symptom of the current woe-is-me pussified culture.
I think she's 120% wrong and the guy was only doing what he should. I don't see the need for any sort of apology and I honestly wish somebody had actually beaten her ass to a pulp so she'd have something legitimate to cry about. I don't give one limp fuck about her "feelings"
I'm calling BULLSHIT on your "chest bump" with Gene Simmons. It's another one of your "life events" that you made up to give a example on whatever you're trying to justify.
If Trump would've turned around and shot her, you'd still be here today trying to justify it...with a story of how you were shot by 50 Cent because you touched his sleeve, you were still able to shoot him a few times after you went down though.
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Everything I've posted is factual, reasonable, logical and often amusing (even if only to myself)
Haven't attacked you personally.
It's illogical to me that you can look at that video, see what happened, realize that it happened in the blink of an eye and not conclude that the guy acted with reasonable restraint because he had no way of knowing what she had in her hand and because she was way too close.
Sure. In hindsight we know it was a pen (or was it?) and we know she was a so-called journalist. But that wasn't known in the micro second he had to process the information in front of him.
He was right to pull her back. If he'd thrown her to the ground in a hammer lock to figure out what she had in her hand I'd be fine with that too.
I'm dumbfounded by the refusal to accept that the exact same thing would have happened to anyone who approached Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Kanye, Taylor Swift, LeBron, Riley Steele, Dan Patrick or Gene Simmons in the same manner.
Hell, I can attest to that. Went to see Gene at a promotional thing years ago. He stepped off into the crowd and started a surge toward him. I was trapped in that and being pushed toward him. When the crowd pushed me into his path and up against his chest, actually, a couple of security guys not-so-gently stiff armed me back.
You see this alleged incident (and the reaction to the over-hysterical response by the paper-thin bitch) as symptomatic of something wrong with Trump and his campaign.
I see it as something terribly wrong with the people who are willing to manufacture issues in an attempt to drag him down and a symptom of the current woe-is-me pussified culture.
I think she's 120% wrong and the guy was only doing what he should. I don't see the need for any sort of apology and I honestly wish somebody had actually beaten her ass to a pulp so she'd have something legitimate to cry about. I don't give one limp fuck about her "feelings"
I accept that the incident would (or at least could) have happened at any other campaign rally. I said that in my very first post on the subject. I don't think it was out of the ordinary, and I do think too much was made of the whole thing. Don't know how many times I have to say that.
I find the reaction to be needlessly dramatic. I also find Trump and Lewandowski's responses were throwing kerosene on the already ridiculous media circus fire when they attacked HER for daring to challenge them. They said it never happened and he never touched her, and called her a delusional crazy bitch. THEN played the fucking victim card himself, exactly like she did by saying she put her hands on him first and implied (in hindsight, mind you) that the pen in her hand was a dangerous weapon. Instead all they had to do was say "We apologize if she was injured, that wasn't the intent." That's it. They don't have to repent and beg for forgiveness, just say "Hey, if you got hurt, sorry." It is about as low a standard for common decency I can think of in this scenario.
Once again, you hold Trump up to some standard you literally hold no one else to. SHE is a lying mommy part and fuck her in the face a million times, etc. etc., but TRUMP can sensationalize the situation all he wants. TRUMP can feign victim all he wants. Again every criticism of any person you have levied in this entire thread can ALSO be said equally about Trump.
And you don't care. Cognitive. Dissonance. You haz it.
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I'm calling BULLSHIT on your "chest bump" with Gene Simmons. It's another one of your "life events" that you made up to give a example on whatever you're trying to justify.
If Trump would've turned around and shot her, you'd still be here today trying to justify it...with a story of how you were shot by 50 Cent because you touched his sleeve, you were still able to shoot him a few times after you went down though.
The Simmons event was at Parisians in Birmingham. Gene was promoting the KISS cologne.
BIRMINGHAM Saturday, October 21, 2006 PARISIAN Riverchase Galleria, 2100 Riverchase Galleria, Birmingham, AL 2PM -5PM Gene
http://kissasylum.com/cgi-bin/fullStory.cgi?archive=200610&story=20061018-02Fragrances.htm
I got there at 2:30. There was a line of more than a thousand people. He got there late. Line to see him stretched several times around the store in a roped off maze. He promised to stay there until every person had been seen. He stood on a little platform, signed bottles of cologne, had pictures made, mugged with people, called his son on some girl's cellphone.
There were still a couple hundred people in line and a couple hundred more standing around just to watch when the handlers whispered in his ear about 6 pm. He was flying to Atlanta to see Paul perform on the Live to Win tour. Had to get to the airport because the last flight out was at like 7:30.
He explained all that, apologized profusely, said he was coming down from the stage and would attempt to sign as much as he could on his way to the door. Decorum broke. The cattle call rope lanes broke down. Chaos ensued. I saw a kid nearly get trampled, the racks of clothes at Parisians exploded and got knocked over. Since I was only three or four people from the stage when all hell broke loose I was at the front of the surge when it enveloped Gene. He'd taken maybe three or four steps when my cheek was mashed up against his chest. The guys who were with him were struggling to clear him a path. He looked down over his glasses at me and asked me to "quit pushing."
When he left and it cleared out, it looked like a riot had taken place. The Parisian employees were in shock.
It was the only one of those promotional stops that had to be cut short. In fact, that was one of the selling points that was made to get people to come out. Gene stays until everybody who wants to see him has been seen.
I've still got the bottle of cologne around here somewhere. He signed it for me.
Everything that happens to me actually happens. And more that I don't even tell you. Saving it for the book.
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Word on da skreets...
Trump will be investigated for bribing Ben Carson to endorse him. He bribed Chris Christie too.
A lawsuit against Trump for inciting violence has also been written up.
There's still the lawsuit from the "Trump University" students out there.
This Presidential election is the most bizarre I've seen or heard about. The FBI is still digging through, Democrat front runner, Hillary Clinton's emails, only a matter of time before she gets called to the mat. Republican front runner, Donald Trump, is possibly facing two lawsuits (students & inciting violence) & possible FBI investigation of bribery.
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Word on da skreets...
Trump will be investigated for bribing Ben Carson to endorse him. He bribed Chris Christie too.
A lawsuit against Trump for inciting violence has also been written up.
There's still the lawsuit from the "Trump University" students out there.
This Presidential election is the most bizarre I've seen or heard about. The FBI is still digging through, Democrat front runner, Hillary Clinton's emails, only a matter of time before she gets called to the mat. Republican front runner, Donald Trump, is possibly facing two lawsuits (students & inciting violence) & possible FBI investigation of bribery.
Just when I thought your skreets couldn't get anymore full of shit, you go and do a thing like this...AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
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The Simmons event was at Parisians in Birmingham. Gene was promoting the KISS cologne.
BIRMINGHAM Saturday, October 21, 2006 PARISIAN Riverchase Galleria, 2100 Riverchase Galleria, Birmingham, AL 2PM -5PM Gene
http://kissasylum.com/cgi-bin/fullStory.cgi?archive=200610&story=20061018-02Fragrances.htm
I got there at 2:30. There was a line of more than a thousand people. He got there late. Line to see him stretched several times around the store in a roped off maze. He promised to stay there until every person had been seen. He stood on a little platform, signed bottles of cologne, had pictures made, mugged with people, called his son on some girl's cellphone.
There were still a couple hundred people in line and a couple hundred more standing around just to watch when the handlers whispered in his ear about 6 pm. He was flying to Atlanta to see Paul perform on the Live to Win tour. Had to get to the airport because the last flight out was at like 7:30.
He explained all that, apologized profusely, said he was coming down from the stage and would attempt to sign as much as he could on his way to the door. Decorum broke. The cattle call rope lanes broke down. Chaos ensued. I saw a kid nearly get trampled, the racks of clothes at Parisians exploded and got knocked over. Since I was only three or four people from the stage when all hell broke loose I was at the front of the surge when it enveloped Gene. He'd taken maybe three or four steps when my cheek was mashed up against his chest. The guys who were with him were struggling to clear him a path. He looked down over his glasses at me and asked me to "quit pushing."
When he left and it cleared out, it looked like a riot had taken place. The Parisian employees were in shock.
It was the only one of those promotional stops that had to be cut short. In fact, that was one of the selling points that was made to get people to come out. Gene stays until everybody who wants to see him has been seen.
I've still got the bottle of cologne around here somewhere. He signed it for me.
Everything that happens to me actually happens. And more that I don't even tell you. Saving it for the book.
#BoomMotherBitches!!!
And he gots proof in the link!
Prowler calling Kaos out on a lie is like Snooki telling Halle Berry that she's ugly.
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Fuck all of Killary's flabs of fat and the PC pheromones that result. I still like Trump.
https://youtu.be/DAYydLBiTJ0
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There are some really long as quotes in this thread.
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There are some really long as quotes in this thread.
Long as what?
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Long as what?
My penith
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Here is the only reality that matters.
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I don't care if he lies 971 times an hour. You think you're winning but you're just drowning yourself. All you've done is push me (and others) more to the Trump side.
What he says? Who cares?
What she does? Proven.
There's the proof, poorly educated people will vote Trump, even if he randomly shot someone and was in prison.
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There's the proof, poorly educated people will vote Trump, even if he randomly shot someone and was in prison.
Depends on whether or not he's a good shot.
I can't stand a bitch that holds their gun sideways and can't shoot straight!
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Everything I've posted is factual, reasonable, logical and often amusing (even if only to myself)
Haven't attacked you personally.
It's illogical to me that you can look at that video, see what happened, realize that it happened in the blink of an eye and not conclude that the guy acted with reasonable restraint because he had no way of knowing what she had in her hand and because she was way too close.
Sure. In hindsight we know it was a pen (or was it?) and we know she was a so-called journalist. But that wasn't known in the micro second he had to process the information in front of him.
He was right to pull her back. If he'd thrown her to the ground in a hammer lock to figure out what she had in her hand I'd be fine with that too.
I'm dumbfounded by the refusal to accept that the exact same thing would have happened to anyone who approached Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Kanye, Taylor Swift, LeBron, Riley Steele, Dan Patrick or Gene Simmons in the same manner.
Hell, I can attest to that. Went to see Gene at a promotional thing years ago. He stepped off into the crowd and started a surge toward him. I was trapped in that and being pushed toward him. When the crowd pushed me into his path and up against his chest, actually, a couple of security guys not-so-gently stiff armed me back.
You see this alleged incident (and the reaction to the over-hysterical response by the paper-thin bitch) as symptomatic of something wrong with Trump and his campaign.
I see it as something terribly wrong with the people who are willing to manufacture issues in an attempt to drag him down and a symptom of the current woe-is-me pussified culture.
I think she's 120% wrong and the guy was only doing what he should. I don't see the need for any sort of apology and I honestly wish somebody had actually beaten her ass to a pulp so she'd have something legitimate to cry about. I don't give one limp fuck about her "feelings"
Uh oh. Momma is Wrongggg again.
I went up to Ted Cruz about 5 weeks ago and shook his hand - had a short conversation even. This was out in the open, not in some private meeting or closed room. He was extremely welcoming and so were his "security" and secret service agents. You know why? (Besides them having more of a brain) It's because they deemed me not a threat on the fly. Just like Trump's secret service agents did with Fields. But that wasn't enough. His campaign manager decided to override that and play rent-a-thug to remove her more than likely because they didn't like the questions or possible questions she was going to ask.
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Uh oh. Momma is Wrongggg again.
I went up to Ted Cruz about 5 weeks ago and shook his hand - had a short conversation even. This was out in the open, not in some private meeting or closed room. He was extremely welcoming and so were his "security" and secret service agents. You know why? (Besides them having more of a brain) It's because they deemed me not a threat on the fly. Just like Trump's secret service agents did with Fields. But that wasn't enough. His campaign manager decided to override that and play rent-a-thug to remove her more than likely because they didn't like the questions or possible questions she was going to ask.
Nobody's threatening to kill Cruz. You didn't have a concealed object in your hand either.
Didn't know she was a "journalist" when she went up to him. It wasn't obvious.
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Nobody's threatening to kill Cruz. You didn't have a concealed object in your hand either.
Didn't know she was a "journalist" when she went up to him. It wasn't obvious.
My intent and threat level was the same as hers. And so was the amount of weapons we both had.
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My intent and threat level was the same as hers. And so was the amount of weapons we both had.
In retrospect sure. Easy to figure it out in retrospect.
She had something in her hand. He was exiting the place. She wasn't supposed to be that close. He made split second decision.
End of story.
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In retrospect sure. Easy to figure it out in retrospect.
She had something in her hand. He was exiting the place. She wasn't supposed to be that close. He made split second decision.
End of story.
Sure
Fits nicely into your narrative. End of story. Topped with a nice bow. Got it.
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In retrospect sure. Easy to figure it out in retrospect.
She had something in her hand. He was exiting the place. She wasn't supposed to be that close. He made split second decision.
End of story.
Anyone afraid of pens is a gigantic pussy. You. Trump. Anyone.
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Anyone afraid of pens is a gigantic pussy. You. Trump. Anyone.
A presidential candidate who is wary of someone walking up to them with something concealed in their hand has nothing to be worried about.
A handler/adviser/guard/whatever who is part of the entourage guaranteeing the safety of said candidate does not have the luxury of taking the millisecond to identify the pen and must act quickly if there is any question.
I looked at the video.
It's not obvious it was a pen.
It's not obvious she was a journalist
He was making his way through a crowd
She came in behind the forward security and ahead of the rear security
She impeded Trump's progress AND had something in her hand
It's an easy call. Put out an arm and open space for the candidate to keep walking.
That anyone could make anything nefarious out of that is mind boggling. I've refrained from calling people in this thread morons or idiots, but if you watch that video and come to any other conclusion than I did? You're a pussified dumbass.
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A presidential candidate who is wary of someone walking up to them with something concealed in their hand has nothing to be worried about.
A handler/adviser/guard/whatever who is part of the entourage guaranteeing the safety of said candidate does not have the luxury of taking the millisecond to identify the pen and must act quickly if there is any question.
I looked at the video.
It's not obvious it was a pen.
It's not obvious she was a journalist
He was making his way through a crowd
She came in behind the forward security and ahead of the rear security
She impeded Trump's progress AND had something in her hand
It's an easy call. Put out an arm and open space for the candidate to keep walking.
That anyone could make anything nefarious out of that is mind boggling. I've refrained from calling people in this thread morons or idiots, but if you watch that video and come to any other conclusion than I did? You're a pussified dumbass.
Nah. Pussified dumbasses are afraid of pens.
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Look, this stuff happens. I met Dr. Martin Luther King in 1962 in Memphis, Tennessee. I walkin' down the street minding my own business, just walking on. Feelin' good. I walk around the corner, a man walk up, hit me in my chest, right. I fall on the ground, right. And I look up and it's Dr. Martin Luther King. I said 'Dr. King?' and he said 'Ooops, I thought you were some body else.'
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A presidential candidate who is wary of someone walking up to them with something concealed in their hand has nothing to be worried about.
A handler/adviser/guard/whatever who is part of the entourage guaranteeing the safety of said candidate does not have the luxury of taking the millisecond to identify the pen and must act quickly if there is any question.
I looked at the video.
It's not obvious it was a pen.
It's not obvious she was a journalist
He was making his way through a crowd
She came in behind the forward security and ahead of the rear security
She impeded Trump's progress AND had something in her hand
It's an easy call. Put out an arm and open space for the candidate to keep walking.
That anyone could make anything nefarious out of that is mind boggling. I've refrained from calling people in this thread morons or idiots, but if you watch that video and come to any other conclusion than I did? You're a pussified dumbass.
Do you want me to call him a cock sucking, racist, fag?
I don't mind.
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Pen, feather, knife. In a crowded area with mere seconds to react, statistics have proven that it is nearly impossible to determine the difference. For people trained in protection details, it is nearly impossible to make a judgment call in that environment. Which is why normally you'll see someone getting their ass kicked in that situation. You do not approached celebrities, politicians or anyone else who is being escorted by a group of trained people whose sole job is to keep you from approaching.
Did they know who she was? I wouldn't have had a problem if they would have dumped her in the floor. But why not just say that? She approached a presidential candidate and in the seconds we had to react, we couldn't see if she was concealing a weapon or had a press pass. Let that be the statement. They fucked up there.
But let's not pretend that anyone here could have been in that situation and known she only had a pen.
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Look, this stuff happens. I met Dr. Martin Luther King in 1962 in Memphis, Tennessee. I walkin' down the street minding my own business, just walking on. Feelin' good. I walk around the corner, a man walk up, hit me in my chest, right. I fall on the ground, right. And I look up and it's Dr. Martin Luther King. I said 'Dr. King?' and he said 'Ooops, I thought you were some body else.'
Man you ain't never met no Dr. King.
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Da bitch should have waited until she was called on ask a fucking question. Fuck that bitch. I hope she and Killary both get body slammed before all of the shit it over. And, that pussy RNC fuck Prissybus, screw him too.
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I just want to know can Auburn win right away this year?
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I just want to know can Auburn win right away this year?
Do we have a political team?
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Do we have a political team?
Does this thread even have a point any more?
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Does this thread even have a point any more?
^
Fails to grasp subtle political discourse.
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I just want to know can Auburn win right away this year?
We better win, and win big, or that's it for this country.
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Ran across this quote and thought it apropos :
If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. --Mark Twain
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Ran across this quote and thought it apropos :
It's a good point and I think it encapsulates the fear of Trump very well. Very rarely are "they" (meaning the elite class and the media) unable to break a candidate at will. The list of bodies -- men who would have made capable, effective leaders -- is long.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/13/reports-trump-campaign-manager-not-prosecuted/83013314/
Well, well. That clear cut video was clear cut.
No prosecution. Guess "feelings" don't trump (pun, son, get it?) facts.
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Are the rules really being abused?
By DONALD J. TRUMP April 14, 2016 7:18 p.m. ET On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an “election†without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined. In recent days, something all too predictable has happened: Politicians furiously defended the system. “These are the rules,†we were told over and over again. If the “rules†can be used to block Coloradans from voting on whether they want better trade deals, or stronger borders, or an end to special-interest vote-buying in Congress—well, that’s just the system and we should embrace it. Let me ask America a question: How has the “system†been working out for you and your family? I, for one, am not interested in defending a system that for decades has served the interest of political parties at the expense of the people. Members of the club—the consultants, the pollsters, the politicians, the pundits and the special interests—grow rich and powerful while the American people grow poorer and more isolated. No one forced anyone to cancel the vote in Colorado. Political insiders made a choice to cancel it. And it was the wrong choice. Responsible leaders should be shocked by the idea that party officials can simply cancel elections in America if they don’t like what the voters may decide. The only antidote to decades of ruinous rule by a small handful of elites is a bold infusion of popular will. On every major issue affecting this country, the people are right and the governing elite are wrong. The elites are wrong on taxes, on the size of government, on trade, on immigration, on foreign policy. Why should we trust the people who have made every wrong decision to substitute their will for America’s will in this presidential election? Here, I part ways with Sen. Ted Cruz. Mr. Cruz has toured the country bragging about his voterless victory in Colorado. For a man who styles himself as a warrior against the establishment (you wouldn’t know it from his list of donors and endorsers), you’d think he would be demanding a vote for Coloradans. Instead, Mr. Cruz is celebrating their disenfranchisement. Likewise, Mr. Cruz loudly boasts every time party insiders disenfranchise voters in a congressional district by appointing delegates who will vote the opposite of the expressed will of the people who live in that district. That’s because Mr. Cruz has no democratic path to the nomination. He has been mathematically eliminated by the voters. While I am self-funding, Mr. Cruz rakes in millions from special interests. Yet despite his financial advantage, Mr. Cruz has won only three primaries outside his home state and trails me by two million votes—a gap that will soon explode even wider. Mr. Cruz loses when people actually get to cast ballots. Voter disenfranchisement is not merely part of the Cruz strategy—it is the Cruz strategy. The great irony of this campaign is that the “Washington cartel†that Mr. Cruz rails against is the very group he is relying upon in his voter-nullification scheme. My campaign strategy is to win with the voters. Ted Cruz’s campaign strategy is to win despite them. What we are seeing now is not a proper use of the rules, but a flagrant abuse of the rules. Delegates are supposed to reflect the decisions of voters, but the system is being rigged by party operatives with “double-agent†delegates who reject the decision of voters. The American people can have no faith in such a system. It must be reformed. Just as I have said that I will reform our unfair trade, immigration and economic policies that have also been rigged against Americans, so too will I work closely with the chairman of the Republican National Committee and top GOP officials to reform our election policies. Together, we will restore the faith—and the franchise—of the American people. We must leave no doubt that voters, not donors, choose the nominee. How have we gotten to the point where politicians defend a rigged delegate-selection process with more passion than they have ever defended America’s borders? Perhaps it is because politicians care more about securing their private club than about securing their country. My campaign will, of course, battle for every last delegate. We will work within the system that exists now, while fighting to have it reformed in the future. But we will do it the right way. My campaign will seek maximum transparency, maximum representation and maximum voter participation. We will run a campaign based on empowering voters, not sidelining them. Let us take inspiration from patriotic Colorado citizens who have banded together in protest. Let us make Colorado a rallying cry on behalf of all the forgotten people whose desperate pleas have for decades fallen on the deaf ears and closed eyes of our rulers in Washington, D.C. The political insiders have had their way for a long time. Let 2016 be remembered as the year the American people finally got theirs.
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=15080
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Are the rules really being abused?
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=15080
That reads like one long post by RWS. Sad!
Really though, Trump is playing the victim card (which he is good at, btw). Colorado had a vote on March 1.
On March 1, thousands of Coloradans met at precinct caucuses. They elected delegates to the county assemblies. Those county assemblies sent delegates to state and district assemblies (conventions). There the delegates were selected. Exactly as they had been in 2004, 2008, and 2012.
Link (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/yes-donald-colorado-did-vote-on-march-1#sthash.e33MjHe5.dpuf)
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Sorry, wrong video. My apologies folk. I need to upgrade my phone.
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"Nothing but the best."
https://youtu.be/fGBiZiWmcbQ
A) one of them is dead
2) one is probably in hell
> the other will likely join him
X. That was offensive
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Sorry. Wrong video. This cheap Samsung sucks.
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That reads like one long post by RWS. Sad!
Really though, Trump is playing the victim card (which he is good at, btw). Colorado had a vote on March 1.
Link (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/yes-donald-colorado-did-vote-on-march-1#sthash.e33MjHe5.dpuf)
If we go back and divide up every states delegates to the candidates based off shear % of votes, trump would have about 117 less delegates than he does now. Why? Because he's been the benefactor of some winner take all states where he got anywhere from 30-50% of the vote but received 100% of the delegates. No one talks about how he's been the benefactor of the same system. The system is what it is and you have to play within it.
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I look forward to Kaos & CCTAU's heads explode after viewing this.
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/04/19/donald-trump-barack-obama.-barack-obama-donald-trump.-video-everything./
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I look forward to Kaos & CCTAU's heads explode after viewing this.
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/04/19/donald-trump-barack-obama.-barack-obama-donald-trump.-video-everything./
I watched a little. You could tell they were using the great ONE's full sentences and chopping up Trump to fit. While they say some of the same things, the great ONE has failed at all of them. Trump has at least presided over businesses in order to actually understand the problems facing American companies today.
I'm sure if you go back and chop up Romney, there will be a lot of similarities also.
Bottom line is, we know what the left has to offer. Time to give someone else a shot!
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Trump has said some things that have triggered skepticism. When he said the internet should be shutdown, the fur on the back of my neck stood up. I'm sure that was just a Biden moment, right? Or, would Trump be a dictator like Obama?
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Bottom line is, we know what the left has to offer. Time to give someone else a shot!
By giving that shot to another leftist?
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Trump has said some things that have triggered skepticism. When he said the internet should be shutdown, the fur on the back of my neck stood up. I'm sure that was just a Biden moment, right? Or, would Trump be a dictator like Obama?
Hold on a sec. You have fur?
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Hold on a sec. You have fur?
:by:
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I watched a little. You could tell they were using the great ONE's full sentences and chopping up Trump to fit. While they say some of the same things, the great ONE has failed at all of them. Trump has at least presided over businesses in order to actually understand the problems facing American companies today.
I'm sure if you go back and chop up Romney, there will be a lot of similarities also.
Bottom line is, we know what the left has to offer. Time to give someone else a shot!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I look forward to Kaos & CCTAU's heads explode after viewing this.
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/04/19/donald-trump-barack-obama.-barack-obama-donald-trump.-video-everything./
No explosion.
One is a liar and a fraud as proven by his actions.
The other, we don't know.
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No explosion.
One is a liar and a fraud as proven by his actions.
The other, we don't know.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gary Johnson.
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Gary Johnson.
Deliberate duck/dodge or just total non sequitur?
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Deliberate duck/dodge or just total non sequitur?
Non sequitur. I get so hard when you talk like that.
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Non sequitur. I get so hard when you talk like that.
He uses his mouth prettier than a $20 whore
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Deliberate duck/dodge or just total non sequitur?
Fun with photos.
I despise Obama. I loathe Clinton. An asinine video that shows a known liar and empty suit using buzz words to pander to a clueless horde of hairy arm pitted women and faux men with man buns juxtaposed against clips of an Americsn businessman talking about some of the same political pressure points is an absolute joke. For educated men some of you utilize some references that are so vapid a blonde in a red convertible would know better.
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Fun with photos.
I despise Obama. I loathe Clinton. An asinine video that shows a known liar and empty suit using buzz words to pander to a clueless horde of hairy arm pitted women and faux men with man buns juxtaposed against clips of an Americsn businessman talking about some of the same political pressure points is an absolute joke. For educated men some of you utilize some references that are so vapid a blonde in a red convertible would know better.
I have no position on Chad's video, but your post was a total non-response. Just curious as to why.
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I have no position on Chad's video, but your post was a total non-response. Just curious as to why.
THEY SAY EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS BUT ONE IS TALKING TO HIPPIES WITH MAN-BUNS THAT I MADE UP AND ONE IS A GODDAMN AMERICAN HERO, WES!
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THEY SAY EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS BUT ONE IS TALKING TO HIPPIES WITH MAN-BUNS THAT I MADE UP AND ONE IS A GODDAMN AMERICAN HERO, WES!
I figured, but haven't watched it.
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Just curious, what happens to all you Trump supporters after Cruz wins nomination?
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Just curious, what happens to all you Trump supporters after Cruz wins nomination?
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Just curious, what happens to all you Trump supporters after Cruz wins nomination?
Depends on what you mean by "wins"!
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Depends on what you mean by "wins"!
It's a pretty simple term. When he receives the vote of 1237 delegates like the rules say.
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Depends on what you mean by "wins"!
As for "wins", Cruz received more votes in Wisconsin than Trump did New York yet Trump received more delegates from his New York win. Where are the news outlets and Donald Trump bitching about how those rules aren't fair?
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Just curious, what happens to all you Trump supporters after Cruz wins nomination?
Gary's Johnson? Trump's Schlong? Cruz ain't gotta cube's chance in hell.
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He uses his mouth prettier than a $20 whore
Why it gotta be $20? Just because a black woman on the new $20 it gotta be whore now? You racist asshole.
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Just curious, what happens to all you Trump supporters after Cruz wins nomination?
I'm not the smartest guy but my money would be on "vote for Cruz".
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I have no position on Chad's video, but your post was a total non-response. Just curious as to why.
Because it's not going to change anything. He's going to think what he thinks, you're going to think what you think, and so on. I could post the comparisons between Obama's speeches and hitlers, between hillarys and stalins. But to what end?
Sometimes i just give up and throw smoke bombs.
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Gary's Johnson? Trump's Schlong? Cruz ain't gotta cube's chance in hell.
Maybe you need to read up on some recent delegate analysis. And how the convention works.
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Maybe you need to read up on some recent delegate analysis. And how the convention works.
And how the Republican Party was destroyed.
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If Crude gets in and tries that North American Union bullshit, he won't last 6 months longer. Furthermore, I fucking HATE Lyin' Ted.
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I'm not the smartest guy but my money would be on "vote for Cruz".
Trump write in. Fuck the GOP, they're burnt.
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If Crude gets in and tries that North American Union bullshit, he won't last 6 months longer. Furthermore, I fucking HATE Lyin' Ted.
All those times he's pushed it as a senator? Please to be showing me that legislation. I'll hang up and lissen while you scour more roger stone and Alex jones you tube conspiracy videos.
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Murica is fed up!
https://www.facebook.com/endfederalreserve/videos/679192958849829/
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1209 North Orange St.
Wilmington, Delaware
A two story building address shared by Trump & Hillary...along with around 290,000 other companies (Apple, Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart, American Airlines, etc).
They've not paid $9 Billion in taxes just over the past 10 years (tax loophole).
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1209 North Orange St.
Wilmington, Delaware
A two story building address shared by Trump & Hillary...along with around 290,000 other companies (Apple, Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart, American Airlines, etc).
They've not paid $9 Billion in taxes just over the past 10 years (tax loophole).
:taunt:
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1209 North Orange St.
Wilmington, Delaware
A two story building address shared by Trump & Hillary...along with around 290,000 other companies (Apple, Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart, American Airlines, etc).
They've not paid $9 Billion in taxes just over the past 10 years (tax loophole).
Those companies suck. Between them, they employ like twelve people. And those are the rich CEOs. Break them rich sumbitches!
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Those companies suck. Between them, they employ like twelve people. And those are the rich CEOs. Break them rich sumbitches!
How dare they not want to pay the highest corporate tax rates in the world and instead aim to return shareholders a return on their investment and keep hiring people. Of all the nerve!! When the fed gov nickels and dime one to death, people start finding ways around it. And I have no issue with the principle of that.
Bernie is about lay off more people than Apple has the last 5 years. Just sayin. That corporate pig! Putting people out on the street and all. He's so greedy. Let's protest for them. Who is with me?
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How dare they not want to pay the highest corporate tax rates in the world and instead aim to return shareholders a return on their investment and keep hiring people. Of all the nerve!! When the fed gov nickels and dime one to death, people start finding ways around it. And I have no issue with the principle of that.
Bernie is about lay off more people than Apple has the last 5 years. Just sayin. That corporate pig! Putting people out on the street and all. He's so greedy. Let's protest for them. Who is with me?
He's canning more people in one day than I have in 12 years. And all of those lazy fucks will now assume that I owe them because Bernie said the system should pay for everything.
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Delaware is the state of choice for many when it comes to incorporation. Not because the tax laws are favorable, but because corporate jurisprudence is far more settled/extensive there. Incorporating and serving as registered agent are practically the biggest industries in that state.
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Delaware is the state of choice for many when it comes to incorporation. Not because the tax laws are favorable, but because corporate jurisprudence is far more settled/extensive there. Incorporating and serving as registered agent are practically the biggest industries in that state.
They are good at it, which is unusual when talking about a govt entity. They actually have customer service skills and it isn't just take a number and full out this form.
Also, they allow one individual to be the director, shareholder and officer of a company. Many places require 3 different individuals, so it's popular for smaller companies and companies that want to promote a national image.
This post sponsored by: The State of Deleware
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"Tanzaynia"
:rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J53Ajl5_Bg0
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"Tanzaynia"
:rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J53Ajl5_Bg0
And again, I could give a fuck. Tanzaynia, Tarzaneah, Toozip-ah-de-fucking-doo-dah-de-ah.
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What do Looney Tunes characters have to do with any of this? :taz:
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Delaware is the state of choice for many when it comes to incorporation. Not because the tax laws are favorable, but because corporate jurisprudence is far more settled/extensive there. Incorporating and serving as registered agent are practically the biggest industries in that state.
And one of the Dakotas as well if I recall correctly. Most credit card companies in the U.S. have shop setup in one of the two because of the favorable laws for what they do. I work with them personally on a daily basis.
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And one of the Dakotas as well if I recall correctly. Most credit card companies in the U.S. have shop setup in one of the two because of the favorable laws for what they do. I work with them personally on a daily basis.
I know what you mean about getting that far behind. Have they adjusted your account to allow for more affordable payments?
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I didn't so the maths, but isn't this the real objective?
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/13055560_1033515600064687_6263393172169411320_n.jpg?oh=f692b819e06606250b70446df20f8fa5&oe=57B2A749)
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I know what you mean about getting that far behind. Have they adjusted your account to allow for more affordable payments?
This guy. He has jokes.
Meaning face to face as clients smart guy.
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Thank God Niger wasn't on Trump's teleprompter instead.
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Thank God Niger wasn't on Trump's teleprompter instead.
Tarzania?
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Tarzania?
Well David Duke does love him some of the Donald.
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Thank God Niger wasn't on Trump's teleprompter instead.
Nurra?
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People who annoy you?
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What do you say after "my"?
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What do you say after "my"?
Oh stop it. You're such a nagger. Always nagging.
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Tarzania?
Tarzan know where Tarzan go.
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"Tanzaynia"
:rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J53Ajl5_Bg0
That pales in comparison to the 7/11 speech.
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That pales in comparison to the 7/11 speech.
Here's Bernie after Tuesday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7aKgR7hcpE
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So, Trump likes guns.
http://conservativetribune.com/trump-plan-2nd-amendment/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2016-04-28&utm_campaign=manualpost
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So, Trump likes guns.
http://conservativetribune.com/trump-plan-2nd-amendment/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2016-04-28&utm_campaign=manualpost
Again? It's about the 5th time he's adopted that stance. Oh that's right. The race shifts to some folksy Midwestern states. The north east is over.
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Again? It's about the 5th time he's adopted that stance. Oh that's right. The race shifts to some folksy Midwestern states. The north east is over.
It's all about the sex appeal I thought. See present Prez and the medias oral fixation. The new way to the White House is to say what people want to hear which all depends on where you are at. To hell with an actual moral stance which that in of itself is very skewed nowadays.
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Cruz drops out, or suspends his campaign, after crushing defeat in the Hoosier State. Trump could reach the required delegates to secure the nomination. Trump can thank the men voters for this victory.
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Cruz drops out, or suspends his campaign, after crushing defeat in the Hoosier State. Trump could reach the required delegates to secure the nomination. Trump can thank the men voters for this victory.
Could reach?
Dude. He's the nominee now. Nothing is in the way now. He will romp in California.
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Could reach?
Dude. He's the nominee now. Nothing is in the way now. He will romp in California.
Friggin shameful all of this is. Trump can think misogynistic bigots for this nomination. I would vote for a paper bag full of dog shit before I cast a die his way.
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Friggin shameful all of this is. Trump can think misogynistic bigots for this nomination. I would vote for a paper bag full of dog shit before I cast a die his way.
See this is what presents an issue for trump. You will have a big piece of principled people (whether you agree with them or not) sitting at home or voting 3rd party now. Trump is going to have to pull some independents and blue dog dems over in good chunks. It's possible but I do think he has an uphill battle. We could see an election like 2000 where the dem wins popular and the GOP wins electoral.
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Rly makes u think.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/04/nevertrump-is-dead-and-now-we-have-no-choice-but-to-vote-for-him/
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Friggin shameful all of this is. Trump can think misogynistic bigots for this nomination. I would vote for a paper bag full of dog shit before I cast a die his way.
You do not understand grass roots America at all.
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Trump is going to have to pull some independents and blue dog dems over in good chunks. It's possible but I do think he has an uphill battle.
It's like I think it and you type it 5 minutes before I type it in another thread.
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You do not understand grass roots America at all.
If "grass roots America" produces that, I don't want to.
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If "grass roots America" produces that, I don't want to.
Grass roots is now being a billionaire pandering to the masses.
It used to be small donations and large ground games from regular citizens ala the Bernie and Cruz campaigns.
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Grass roots is now being a billionaire pandering to the masses.
It used to be small donations and large ground games from regular citizens ala the Bernie and Cruz campaigns.
They are all billionaires and millionaires. What is your point?
Right. You don't have a point except that you hate Trump.
Go ahead, waste your vote. And then pound your chest and let everyone see your piety.
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They are all billionaires and millionaires. What is your point?
Right. You don't have a point except that you hate Trump.
Go ahead, waste your vote. And then pound your chest and let everyone see your piety.
No one mentioned hating anyone. Just stating the obvious. And no, looking at their tax returns the two latter candidates are not in fact billionaires. Not even close.
It's not an indictment of anyone. Just an observation. Typically grass roots has historically meant having lots of volunteers on the ground in lots of places and getting small donations from lots of people, starting with nothing. That's all izzz saying. If Trump is grass roots then I'm saying the definition of grass roots has changed a bit.
Cool your jets for a minute Trigger. No one is mad atcha.
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Grassroots has changed to pissed off.
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Grassroots has changed to pissed off.
You pretty much said the same thing I did but in lesser and different words. But he "liked" yours. You should feel honored.
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You pretty much said the same thing I did but in lesser and different words. But he "liked" yours. You should feel honored.
I don't like the name Trigger. She was my first and I had less control then...
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No one mentioned hating anyone. Just stating the obvious. And no, looking at their tax returns the two latter candidates are not in fact billionaires. Not even close.
It's not an indictment of anyone. Just an observation. Typically grass roots has historically meant having lots of volunteers on the ground in lots of places and getting small donations from lots of people, starting with nothing. That's all izzz saying. If Trump is grass roots then I'm saying the definition of grass roots has changed a bit.
Cool your jets for a minute Trigger. No one is mad atcha.
They are still career politicians.
I am completely against career politicians and the way Washington is run. You shouldn't be able to make a life long career out of a job that was originally intended to be a "service to the people".
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They are still career politicians.
I am completely against career politicians and the way Washington is run. You shouldn't be able to make a life long career out of a job that was originally intended to be a "service to the people".
I agree totally. But I do realize guys like trump, Perot and Eisenhower are the exception. Not everyone can go straight to the White House like that. You either need to be super rich or super exposed outside the political realm like Ike. Most have to step their way into it by virtue of past experience and climbing up the ladder incrementally.
Career politicians and insiders? Let's take a look just for good measure.
Kasich was elected in the 80s. And served over 20 years. Now is a governor. - yes
Bernie has been on Capitol Hill for 35 years. Before that mayor of Burlington Vt, before that was a bum protestor - emphatically yes
Cruz has been in DC for 3.5 years. Before that worked one term as solicitor general of tx and in private practice the rest of his career - not hardly.
Rubio has been in the senate for 5.5 years and his one term will end in January - no.
Jeb, Christie and some of their ilk - absolutely.
Trump - never held political office - no
Aside from rubios gang of 8 slip, I think he and Cruz have done everything they can while in DC including filibustering rogue legislation. 1/2 people can only do so much alone. They did what they could. I don't consider them nor Rand Paul the problem. They all fought the problem.
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Aside from rubios gang of 8 slip, I think he and Cruz have done everything they can while in DC including filibustering rogue legislation. 1/2 people can only do so much alone. They did what they could. I don't consider them nor Rand Paul the problem. They all fought the problem.
Agreed. That is why the GOP didn't want Cruz either in my opinion.
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Kasich OUT!
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278602-kasich-quits-presidential-race
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Agreed. That is why the GOP didn't want Cruz either in my opinion.
Rubio lost it on immigration.
Cruz fought a good fight but was done in by his fellow republicans' lack commitment to their promise to the people. Anyone associated with current politics got a black eye.
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Is it too late to get Rudy G back in the mix?
He's always been my guy.
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Is it too late to get Rudy G back in the mix?
He's always been my guy.
Cleaning up New York from the 70s and 80s ain't easy. He was a great mayor and leader no doubt.
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Agreed. That is why the GOP didn't want Cruz either in my opinion.
Rand Paul and Scott Walker were my first choices. But I always held Cruz in high regard for his "power of the purse" filibuster of obamacare. That meant something to me. Same with Rubio on everything but Gang of 8.
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Kasich OUT!
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278602-kasich-quits-presidential-race
Huge loss :taunt:
Nothing against ole Jonny but he should have left the race after Florida. It showed he was viable nowhere but Ohio.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY)
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Positives:
http://www.caintv.com/four-policy-reasons-conservati
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Positives:
http://www.caintv.com/four-policy-reasons-conservati
Really good article.
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Negatives:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html
A message for my fellow Republicans: If you back Trump you will not be trusted again
By David Ross Meyers Published May 03, 2016 FoxNews.com
It was once unimaginable. Now Donald J. Trump – the reality TV star, questionable businessman, and political bomb thrower – is on the verge of becoming a major party’s presidential candidate.
When Mr. Trump ran for president on the Reform Party ticket in 2000, his candidacy was scoffed at. He was an unserious man running for the most serious position in the free world, and everyone knew it.
Yet now, many Americans – from the public, to the media, to politicians in Washington, D.C. – seem to be acquiescing to the idea of a Donald Trump candidacy and presidency.
The entire country seems to be falling down the rabbit hole.
Donald Trump is unfit to be president of the United States for reasons almost too numerous to mention.
First, Donald Trump’s sole motivation for seeking the presidency is Donald Trump. His careers in business, reality television, and politics have been marked by personal ambition, self-aggrandizement, and a willingness to do or say anything to achieve power, fame, or notoriety. He is exactly the kind of demagogue that our founders feared might try to seek the Presidency for his own personal gain.
Furthermore, Trump lacks the judgment, character, and emotional stability to be president. Given his frequent public outbursts and lack of self-restraint, the thought of Mr. Trump controlling our military and nuclear weapons is unacceptable. The GOP, which has spent decades claiming to be the party of national security, should have been the first to declare Trump unfit for the presidency.
Instead, the opposite has happened. As Trump moves closer to the GOP nomination, many Republican leaders in Washington and across the country have begun to embrace him. Most have not done so because they truly believe in Mr. Trump, but because they have been blinded by personal ambition, ideology, and partisan politics.
Some opportunistic politicians, like Governors Chris Christie and Paul LePage, endorsed Mr. Trump early on in the hopes of future personal benefit. (Mr. LePage, for example, privately proposed that the GOP disavow Mr. Trump on February 20. Six days later, he endorsed him. What else could explain that change besides pure political calculation?)
Worse still are those Republicans who privately (or publicly) oppose Mr. Trump, yet will support him as the Party’s nominee.
From 2006 to 2009, I worked in the White House for George W. Bush. As an actor and writer in New York, this isn’t always a popular thing to tell people. But I do, because I am proud to have worked for a president who led with principle and conviction. As a West Wing staffer, I saw firsthand that President Bush’s sole motivation was to do what he thought was best for our country. People may have disagreed with his policies, but they couldn’t disagree with his intentions.
From 2009 to 2010, I spent a year working for Congressional Republicans. In contrast to my time at the White House, I saw that many in Congress put their personal and partisan interests ahead of the country’s needs. Many times, the GOP’s only agenda was to defeat Barack Obama at all costs. It didn’t matter what Obama’s policy was; all that mattered was winning and eventually regaining power for the GOP.
This desire for control of the presidency, and the belief that any Republican is better than any Democrat, is why many Republicans are now embracing Trump. They claim that the GOP needs to coalesce behind Mr. Trump because he is a better alternative than Hillary Clinton. He is not.
To begin with, Mr. Trump has autocratic tendencies, and openly admires tyrants such as Vladimir Putin. In fact, his narcissism and cult of personality leadership style seem better suited to countries like North Korea and Uzbekistan than America. Trump has repeatedly attacked core conservative principles such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and American leadership on the world stage. He has incited the use of violence against his detractors, called on America to commit war crimes, and suggested the possibility of civil unrest if he is denied the GOP nomination.
Mr. Trump proclaims that he’s going to make America great again, but can’t provide any realistic plans for doing so; instead, he frequently resorts to scapegoating outsiders, foreigners, and minorities. The few policies that Trump has articulated would make America less safe, trample upon our most fundamental rights, and appeal to the basest instincts of the American people.
While I disagree with many of Hillary Clinton’s policies, she is clearly qualified to be president. She possesses judgment and self-restraint. She does not have a track record of irrational, risky, and unsound business decisions and public comments. She has a long record of public service. She can be trusted with controlling our military and nuclear weapons. Mr. Trump cannot.
Any Republican who claims that it’s better to elect Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton either lacks proper judgment, or has become so blinded by partisan ideology that they have lost objectivity.
Many of the GOP voters who support Trump are backing his candidacy because they are desperate for change in Washington. But Republican leaders who embrace Trump aren’t hearing the public’s message or embracing change. Instead, they’re doing what they have always done: whatever is necessary to gain or retain political power.
I saw the same thing happen during my time in Washington with the rise of the Tea Party. Instead of adopting the movement’s more valid positions, such as a real crackdown on Wall Street and corporate America, many Republicans jumped on the bandwagon of hate and divisive rhetoric because they thought it was their best chance of being re-elected.
Yes, Mr. Trump has populist support. But a true leader doesn’t jump on the populist bandwagon – especially when that bandwagon threatens to irretrievably harm their country and party. A true leader explains why that candidate cannot and should not be trusted, and is willing to suffer any consequences that might result from standing strongly behind their position.
Alexander Hamilton has become a cultural zeitgeist recently due to the success of the Broadway musical about his life. Yet Americans are responding to more than a brilliant piece of theatre. They are responding to a time of great men and women in American history -- true leaders who put their love of country above their personal ambitions or partisan ideologies.
In fact, Hamilton faced a choice similar to the one Republicans are facing today. During the election of 1800, Hamilton had to choose between endorsing Thomas Jefferson, his life-long political rival with whom he disagreed on almost every major issue – or Aaron Burr, a dishonest man of flawed character, who many feared would lead America down a dangerous path of tyranny and oppression. Mr. Hamilton chose to endorse Jefferson.
There is still time to stop Donald Trump from becoming the GOP nominee. Republicans must speak out loudly and forcefully against his candidacy – and they must oppose Trump even if he becomes the party’s nominee.
The United States of America was built on 240 years of blood, toil, and sacrifice. We owe our ancestors, and our children, so much better than handing this country over to a man of Mr. Trump’s character and intentions.
Voters will not forget those individuals who supported Mr. Trump. And any Republican who endangers our nation by supporting Donald Trump will not be trusted again.
David Meyers worked in the West Wing of the White House as Assistant Staff Secretary from 2006 to 2009 and Communications Project Director. From 2009 to 2010, he worked as a Communications Advisor for the Senate Republican Leadership. He is now an actor, writer, and Ph.D. candidate in Political Science.
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Hillary is no doubt a better politician and knows the ins and outs better. She's as crooked as a question mark.
She's also a Chicago bred and trained Marxist in the shadow of Saul Alinsky. She hides her extreme leftist positions much better than Bernie. To me that is more dangerous.
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Negatives:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html
Ha. So because I think Trump would be better for the US than Hillary, I lack complete judgement or I am blind. Sounds like a legit stance.
Or, I actually like the positives more than I dislike the negatives. Naaaahhh. That can't be it. I have to be a completely blind moron who is incapable of any reasonable judgement.
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"...she is clearly qualified to be president. She possesses judgment and self-restraint. She does not have a track record of irrational, risky, and unsound business decisions and public comments. She has a long record of public service. She can be trusted with controlling our military and nuclear weapons."
For the most part, the author didn't attack Trumps policies, he focused on character, which quite honestly is my biggest drawback with him. Way too loose of a cannon. But, this part right here made the entire article moot.^^^
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Negatives:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html
So, getting on here and posting something written by a guy who was once a freaking secretary and now a part-time actor is supposed to change my mind?
Because the "dude" knows how to take shorthand, he's more adept at choosing our next president than I am? Because he's better at getting coffee? Or, is better at operating the fax machine?
o.k. Thanks, man.
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Really good article.
:taunt:
These are the only four things they think Trump might be better than Hillary on?
1. ObamaCare. I know some of you don't believe it because Trump has talked in the past about believing in single-payer health care, and you're convinced he meant it then and doesn't mean anything he says now. What I think is that Trump has never been ideologically committed to any particular belief on this, but he knows how to recognize when something is not working, and ObamaCare is clearly not working. Assuming we can hang onto Republican control of Congress - which is no easy proposition, but if Trump wins it might be possible - there is no doubt in my mind Trump would sign a Republican-sponsored bill that repeals ObamaCare and replaces it with something better for doctors and patients. And there is no doubt in my mind that Hillary would veto it.
Paraphrasing: Trump himself has said many times in the past and even during this campaign that he likes the mandate (http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/02/19/donald-trump-says-supports-obamacare-mandate/) and that he supports a single payer healthcare system (http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2016/02/22/sanders-and-trump-are-singing-from-the-same-tattered-single-payer-hymnal/), left of what Obama implemented or Hillary endorses. Trump and Bernie are the only ones talking about single payer. Yeah, but still. Now that his handlers tell him he's supposed to hate Obamacare, he wants to replace it with something "terrific" (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/249697-trump-replace-obamacare-with-something-terrific) now. Nothing specific, but how can you argue with "terrific"? He also said it would cost less so if he said that it must be true. He'll work out the details later. Just gotta trust him on this.
2. The Supreme Court. Whether Merrick Garland is confirmed or not, someone is eventually going to replace Antonin Scalia. If Hillary makes the choice, it is guaranteed to be another left-wing Justice who views the Constitution as a mere inconvenience, as do Justices Sotomayer, Kagan, Breyer and Ginsburg. But it gets worse. Much worse. Breyer and Ginsburg are near or past 80 years old, as is Justice Anthony Kennedy, the so-called swing vote. Any or all could very well retire during the next presidential term, and Hillary would replace them all with much younger liberals who will guarantee a liberal majority for at least a generation. And if any of the court's three actual conservatives were to die or have to retire for some reason, God help us. Trump may not be a committed ideological conservative, but he's not a committed liberal either. There is at least a chance he will make good appointments to the Supreme Court. There is no chance Hillary will.
First of all, Garland is about as centrist as a Supreme Court justice can possibly be. The GOP fucked up making a stink over him to begin with. But yeah, with Trump, hey, there's a chance maybe he won't pick a liberal. Unless you believe what he says, but hey what does he know. When he said he'd appoint his Democrat sister who ruled in favor of Planned Parenthood on legalizing late term partial birth abortions (http://liveactionnews.org/trump-sister-defended-partial-birth-abortion-potential-scotus-nominee/), not to worry, that was merely a goof. But it's not like, he himself is pro-choice, except, oh yeah, he is. Unless he isn't. Depends on which way the wind is blowing. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/)
3. Domestic Energy. Hillary has already told us she wants to put coal miners out of business. She would certainly not give the Keystone XL pipeline another chance. And there's no reason to think she wouldn't continue Obama's policy of stopping oil exploration on federal lands. Trump would do the opposite on all three.
Oh noes! Hillary says she wants to move to modernized, renewable, sustainable, clean energy sources! I know, you guys think climate scientists (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22coal+consumption%22+%22climate+change%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C19&as_vis=1) are a bunch of lying faggots.
4. Foreign policy. I don't like everything about Trump's foreign policy instincts, particularly his wrong-headed take on the Iraq War. But Trump would treat our allies like friends and our enemies like people who need to fear us, not push us around. Trump would surely not make terrible deals like the Iran nuclear deal or the giveaway of diplomatic relations with Cuba for absolutely nothing in return. I have concerns about Trump on trade policy, but they are no different than what I think Hillary would do. On balance, Trump would be much better on foreign policy - and he would surely be more supportive of our military forces than a woman who clearly holds them in contempt.
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He can't pronounce "Tanzania" or say anything remotely intelligible about the middle east. BUT HE'S GONNA MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR THE WALL! HE SAID IT HIMSELF! Also, he's gonna "BOMB THE SHIT" out of Iraq!!! Didn't you hear him? And the Trans Pacific Pipeline is "is a deal that was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."even though China isn't part of the TPP (http://theweek.com/speedreads/588181/rand-paul-embarrassed-donald-trump-over-china-tpp-during-gop-debate). But he's gonna bring back waterboarding and "much worse", kill the families of terrorists, and whatever other war crimes he wants because fuck the Geneva convention (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-torture-works-backs-waterboarding-and-much-worse/2016/02/17/4c9277be-d59c-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html). I can't begin to scratch the surface on the litany of completely idiotic shit that comes out of this man's mouth about foreign policy.
But Hillary tho! The former Secratary of State supported the war in Iraq (Trump didn't), supports free trade (Trump doesn't). Oh and she's not a complete fucking idiot who will (and has already) taunted foreign leaders. She doesn't look up to dictators (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/18/these-are-the-dictators-donald-trump-loves.html).
Read this. All of this.
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11141308/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-max-boot
That article is the written word version of those "LYNE TED!" Cruz protesters. Ignorant of facts and proud.
Otherwise, good article, though. :taunt:
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Ha. So because I think Trump would be better for the US than Hillary, I lack complete judgement or I am blind. Sounds like a legit stance.
Or, I actually like the positives more than I dislike the negatives. Naaaahhh. That can't be it. I have to be a completely blind moron who is incapable of any reasonable judgement.
Yes.
You thought that other article from Herman Cain's site was "really good", so yes.
It is devoid of facts or logic and mostly relies on verifiable falsehoods.
So, yes.
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OMG. He linked VOX again...
If I only get those four things out of Trump, it will be more than ANY conservative in the last 20 years has given us!
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Negatives:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html
Oh boo fucking hoo.
Fuck him.
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OMG. He linked VOX again...
If I only get those four things out of Trump, it will be more than ANY conservative in the last 20 years has given us!
ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"
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Oh boo fucking hoo.
Fuck him.
Thoughtful response. "LYNE FOX NEWS!"
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:taunt:
These are the only four things they think Trump might be better than Hillary on?
Paraphrasing: Trump himself has said many times in the past and even during this campaign that he likes the mandate (http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/02/19/donald-trump-says-supports-obamacare-mandate/) and that he supports a single payer healthcare system (http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2016/02/22/sanders-and-trump-are-singing-from-the-same-tattered-single-payer-hymnal/), left of what Obama proposes or Hillary endorses. Trump and Bernie are the only ones talking about single payer. Yeah, but still. Now that his handlers tell him he's supposed to hate Obamacare, he wants to replace it with something "terrific" (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/249697-trump-replace-obamacare-with-something-terrific) now. Nothing specific, but how can you argue with "terrific"? He also said it would cost less so if he said that it must be true. He'll work out the details later. Just gotta trust him on this.
First of all, Garland is about as centrist as a Supreme Court justice can possibly be. The GOP fucked up making a stink over him to begin with. But yeah, with Trump, hey, there's a chance maybe he won't pick a liberal. Unless you believe what he says, but hey what does he know. When he said he'd appoint his Democrat sister who ruled in favor of Planned Parenthood on legalizing late term partial birth abortions (http://liveactionnews.org/trump-sister-defended-partial-birth-abortion-potential-scotus-nominee/), not to worry, that was merely a goof. But it's not like, he himself is pro-choice, except, oh yeah, he is. Unless he isn't. Depends on which way the wind is blowing. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/)
Oh noes! Hillary says she wants to move to modernized, renewable, sustainable, clean energy sources! I know, you guys think climate scientists (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22coal+consumption%22+%22climate+change%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C19&as_vis=1) are a bunch of lying faggots.
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He can't pronounce "Tanzania" or say anything remotely intelligible about the middle east. BUT HE'S GONNA MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR THE WALL! HE SAID IT HIMSELF! Also, he's gonna "BOMB THE SHIT" out of Iraq!!! Didn't you hear him? And the Trans Pacific Pipeline is "is a deal that was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."even though China isn't part of the TPP (http://theweek.com/speedreads/588181/rand-paul-embarrassed-donald-trump-over-china-tpp-during-gop-debate). But he's gonna bring back waterboarding and "much worse", kill the families of terrorists, and whatever other war crimes he wants because fuck the Geneva convention (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-torture-works-backs-waterboarding-and-much-worse/2016/02/17/4c9277be-d59c-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html). I can't begin to scratch the surface on the litany of completely idiotic shit that comes out of this man's mouth about foreign policy.
But Hillary tho! The former Secratary of State supported the war in Iraq (Trump didn't), supports free trade (Trump doesn't). Oh and she's not a complete fucking idiot who will (and has already) taunted foreign leaders. She doesn't look up to dictators (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/18/these-are-the-dictators-donald-trump-loves.html).
Read this. All of this.
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11141308/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-max-boot
That article is the written word version of those "LYNE TED!" Cruz protesters. Ignorant of facts and proud.
Otherwise, good article, though. :taunt:
Just a thought here....but....
Is it possible this is all an act by trump? Havent they said as much?
Misspeaking, appealing to blue dog dems, union workers and lower income whites with many of the populist from the hip speeches? It's very plausible. And why? In addition to the aforementioned votes being needed to get the nod, he maybe saw it as a "whatever means needed to the end". To come across as relateable to more the common man and the pissed off blue collar worker. Perhaps? I've read things of his "Deep South play book". This may be what that was.
Not endorsing or dogging anyone here, just some analysis.
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Thoughtful response.
Better than the loads of excrement you keep dumping here.
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Better than the loads of excrement you keep dumping here.
Verifiable incontrovertible linked facts = "excrement" to Trump supporters.
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http://theresurgent.com/fooled-ya/
Fooled Ya!
By Brian Sikma | May 4, 2016, 11:12pm
“He’s self-funding his campaign,†they said.
“He isn’t beholden to special interests like other politicians,†they said.
If you voted for Trump and believed those statements, or are a Trump supporter and have uttered something like them, you have been played for a fool.
Breaking news Wednesday evening is that Donald J. Trump, billionaire and Republican presidential nominee-elect, will not be self-funding his general election campaign. “I’ll be putting up money, but won’t be completely self-funding,†Trump told the press before asserting he will be putting in place a “world-class finance organization.†No doubt Trump’s experience in bankruptcies and poorly financed casinos combined with his love of spendthrift political hacks who sell their soul to the highest bidder (see: Wiley, Rick or any other number of Trump campaign aides) will help with that “world-class†fundraising machine.
The Wall Street Journal reports:
“The new plan represents a shift for Mr. Trump, who has for months portrayed his Republican opponents as “puppets†for relying on super PACs and taking contributions from wealthy donors that he said came with strings attached.â€
Yes, now that he has secured the nomination Trump can shed all those conservative sounding things (there weren’t many, believe me) he said during the primary so he can become the creature that he always was. Donald Trump has never been, and is not, a conservative. He has always been, and is now, about himself and his ego. His strategy for the GOP primary was to play Republican voters and anyone who voted in the GOP primary for him as a fool.
That strategy worked.
Meanwhile, the GOP elites that Trump’s candidacy was supposed to be a sort of crude gesture toward are, after good conservatives of principle in the party have embraced #NeverTrump, signaling that they will bow before Smaug and make peace at any price. “Life is a series of choices, and this choice looks like one between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, †declared former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour to the Washington Post. “Anybody who proposes a third party is saying, ‘Let’s make sure Clinton wins.'â€
Wrong. Life does include binary choices, but it is not entirely made up of binary choices. Sometimes principles play a role, but that’s not something Mr. Barbour would be familiar with.
For his part, Sen. Mitch McConnell, the leader of Senate Republicans in Washington, released a statement late Wednesday that read in part: “I have committed to supporting the nominee chosen by Republican voters, and Donald Trump, the presumptive nominee, is now on the verge of clinching that nomination.â€
That Trump would reverse himself should be no surprise, that the same GOP elites who repeatedly sold out conservatives would bow before him should shock no one. Alas, some will feign surprise.
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Verifiable incontrovertible linked facts = "excrement" to Trump supporters.
Opinion pieces do not count as "incontrovertible facts"
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Opinion pieces do not count as "incontrovertible facts"
I have to handle this like Cruz handled those rubes.
What specifically is untrue? I dismantled the "really good" Herman Cain piece with facts. I linked to them. You can click the links and see where Trump himself said and did the things I attributed to him.
Tell me where I'm wrong, specifically. "LYNE CHIZAD" is not an acceptable answer.
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http://theresurgent.com/fooled-ya/
I like the resurgent generally speaking and its founder Erik Erickson but if what I said above is true, is this all a moot point? Have WE all been fooled?
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:aubie:
I have to handle this like Cruz handled those rubes.
What specifically is untrue? I dismantled the "really good" Herman Cain piece with facts. I linked to them. You can click the links and see where Trump himself said and did the things I attributed to him.
Tell me where I'm wrong, specifically. "LYNE CHIZAD" is not an acceptable answer.
There you go again! Lyin Chad!!!!
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I like the resurgent generally speaking and its founder Erik Erickson but if what I said above is true, is this all a moot point? Have WE all been fooled?
Not me.
It was clear from the first word out of his mouth that less than 1% of anything he says is true or can be trusted. It was obvious. To most of us.
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:aubie:
There you go again! Lyin Chad!!!!
You're such a lyner.
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http://youtu.be/YHXwDoJHJT0
Good god...smh.
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http://youtu.be/YHXwDoJHJT0
Good god...smh.
Dude, you drool over a commie bozo who lives in fantasy land. I don't like trump by any means but if you truly think Bernie is awesome then you have no room to talk about anyone else. The guy is certifiable. And sucks at math.
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You know, MSNBC may be tilted, slanted, falling to the left and they may pretend to hate Trump. But, not all of them would be upset with a Trump Presidency. foxynewsdot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.
A microphone picked up MSNBC commentator Chris Matthews' comments about Donald Trump's wife Melania's "runway walk."
Matthews, who did not realize his mic was on, was caught saying, "Did you see her walk? Runway walk. My God, is that good" while covering the Indiana primary for the network.
His co-host, Brian Williams, noticing Matthews' comments that were clearly meant to be private, cut to a commercial break.
Matthews continued, " I could watch that runway show."
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http://youtu.be/YHXwDoJHJT0
Good god...smh.
"No, he was asking me a theoretical, or just a question, a theory, and I talked about it only from that standpoint. Of course not. And that was done, he said, I guess it was theoretically, but he was asking me a rhetorical question, and I gave an answer. And, by the way, people thought from an academic standpoint, and asked rhetorically, people said that answer was an unbelievable academic answer. But of course not, and I said that afterwards, everybody understands.â€
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/728297587418247168
@realDonaldTrump
Happy #CincoDeMayo! The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157008375200725:0
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChtuyP0VEAQZlY1.jpg)
Well there ya go. Can't argue with that.
This is not parody, by the way, that's real.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/728297587418247168
Well there ya go. Can't argue with that.
This is not parody, by the way, that's real.
:facepalm:
Seriously.
What is the fucking problem? He promotes his brand. Clearly having fun with the "Trump hates Mexicans" triggly puffers.
No offense but you need to get your self righteous head out of your easily offended ass and lighten up Francis.
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Maybe he did support the Iraq war. Who knows. It is impossible to tell where this guy stands on a single issue...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-confronted-on-past-support-for-invading-iraq-blah-blah?utm_term=.gnqaVGwZkN#.tur1xyW6Vo
Trump Confronted On Past Support For Invading Iraq: “Blah, Blah, Blah, Yes, I Guessâ€
Challenged by Bret Baier on his claims that he opposed the Iraq war, Trump cited a “2003, 2004†Reuters article that came out 17 months after the war began.
posted on May 5, 2016, at 8:14 p.m.
Donald Trump was confronted on statements he made in support of invading Iraq and the lack evidence of his opposition to the war from the start – a claim Trump continues to make despite being rated false widely by fact-checkers.
“The war in Iraq was perhaps the worst decision ever made in this country’s history,†said Trump. “It totally destabilized the Middle East, it was a total disaster,†Trump said Thursday evening on Fox News’ Special Report. “It was made by Bush.â€
“I criticized his decision to go into Iraq,†added Trump.
“Now on that, I just want to clear that up,†asked host Bret Baier. “You’ve come out with articles, but there’s audio of you before there were…â€
“No, there isn’t, no, there isn’t,†Trump replied.
“There’s a BuzzFeed piece,†Baier interjects, citing an article on BuzzFeed chronicling statements Trump made in support of Iraq regime change in the late ’90s and 2000, and telling Howard Stern he tepidly supported invading the country in 2002.
“Yes,†Trump said. “I’m talking to Howard Stern, weeks before, the first time anybody had ever asked. And don’t forget, I was a civilian. The first time anyone ever asked me about the war, about should we go in, because it was a question, are we going in? And I said very weakly, well, blah, blah, blah, yes, I guess.â€
Baier then cited Trump on the first day of the war in 2003 saying it looked like “a tremendous success from a military standpoint,†and predicting the war would continue to be great for Wall Street.
“What I said is it was a success, because they thought it was a success,†said Trump. “But before that, I said they shouldn’t go in. And then all during for many years, I said this war is a huge mistake. In fact, in 2003, 2004, they did an article, a big article, in one of the magazines, and Reuters did an article going very critical of the war, get out, it’s a mistake.â€
The Reuters article Trump cited about him opposing war came out 17 months after the war started.
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Seriously.
What is the fucking problem? He promotes his brand. Clearly having fun with the "Trump hates Mexicans" triggly puffers.
No offense but you need to get your self righteous head out of your easily offended ass and lighten up Francis.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoB1QUzIEAEL1D_.jpg)
Trump has a 12% favorable, 77% unfavorable rating with Hispanics.
He is not joking. He is literally so stupid that he thinks he's going to improve those numbers because he ate a fucking taco salad on Cinco de Mayo. Either that or he is actively taunting a significant portion of the population. Equally idiotic.
The man is a goddamn cartoon. This shouldn't even be a discussion. You can't be as stupid as he is...
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoB1QUzIEAEL1D_.jpg)
Trump has a 12% favorable, 77% unfavorable rating with Hispanics.
He is not joking. He is literally so stupid that he thinks he's going to improve those numbers because he ate a fucking taco salad on Cinco de Mayo. Either that or he is actively taunting a significant portion of the population. Equally idiotic.
The man is a goddamn cartoon. This shouldn't even be a discussion. You can't be as stupid as he is...
You've lost your mind. So suffused with hate you cant see the forest or the trees.
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Where do the other 11% of Spaniards and Mexicans stand on The Donald?
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Where do the other 11% of Spaniards and Mexicans stand on The Donald?
Wrong side of the wall.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoB1QUzIEAEL1D_.jpg)
Trump has a 12% favorable, 77% unfavorable rating with Hispanics.
He is not joking. He is literally so stupid that he thinks he's going to improve those numbers because he ate a fucking taco salad on Cinco de Mayo. Either that or he is actively taunting a significant portion of the population. Equally idiotic.
The man is a goddamn cartoon. This shouldn't even be a discussion. You can't be as stupid as he is...
I don't like the guy but to say that the winner of the Republican party, master of the art of manipulation and image--is stupid? Repeatedly. That's what is stupid.
And the way that he improves those numbers is deportation, dumbass.
I cannot wait until xgate. :fu: :woodcock: :boom:
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You've lost your mind. So suffused with hate you cant see the forest or the trees.
Yes. I'm the one who has lost my mind and am "so suffused with hate" because I don't think eating a taco bowl on Cinco de Mayo is diplomatic outreach to the segment of the population who definitively hate him.
Fuck's sake. Idiocracy.
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:holtz:
Yes. I'm the one who has lost my mind and am "so suffused with hate" because I don't think eating a taco bowl on Cinco de Mayo is diplomatic outreach to the segment of the population who definitively hate him.
Fuck's sake. Idiocracy.
:holtz: :woodcock:
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:holtz: :holtz: :woodcock:
You guys sure are formidable debaters, I'll tell you that.
Certainly proving me wrong that there is no way that two brain cells can rub together to result in any defense of anything Trump says or does.
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:woodcock:
You guys sure are formidable debaters, I'll tell you that.
Certainly proving me wrong that there is no way that two brain cells can rub together to result in any defense of anything Trump says or does.
:blah: :homo:
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https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10154263121316336/
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I'm a master debater.
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Yes. I'm the one who has lost my mind and am "so suffused with hate" because I don't think eating a taco bowl on Cinco de Mayo is diplomatic outreach to the segment of the population who definitively hate him.
Fuck's sake. Idiocracy.
Try this on for size.
Why in the hell should he pander to a group that -- as you've repeatedly noted -- hates him? I'd rather he trolled them than barf out empty platitudes as every other politician does.
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Try this on for size.
Why in the hell should he pander to a group that -- as you've repeatedly noted -- hates him? I'd rather he trolled them than barf out empty platitudes as every other politician does.
Yes, the president of the United States should definitely troll United States citizens of a certain race.
(http://movieboozer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/idiocracy-main-review.png)
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There are plenty of hard working Americans from hispanic descent that support Trump. I have a long time friend that finally got motivated to become an American citizen, just so he can vote for Trump.
Most of the one's that don't, come from democratic barrios. they are no different from the hood. They will always be voting for free shit!
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What is a Mexican's favorite sport?
Cross Country
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What is a Mexican's favorite sport?
Cross Country
Why isn't there a Mexican Olympic team?
Because every one that can run, jump, or swim are in the U.S.
I LOVE HISPANICS!
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Jokes aside...
Y'all do know the immigration "problem" is not actually a problem, and hasn't been for quite a while now, right?
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
Or from the only "trustworthy" news source...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/20/more-mexicans-leaving-us-than-entering-study-says.html
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Why isn't there a Mexican Olympic team?
Because every one that can run, jump, or swim are in the U.S.
I LOVE HISPANICS!
EL BOOM! :thumsup:
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http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
"pewhispanics"? Srsly, dude. You have the gall to link to a story referencing that Hispanics smell? :facepalm:
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Why isn't there a Mexican Olympic team?
Because every one that can run, jump, or swim are in the U.S.
I LOVE HISPANICS!
I have friend (srlsy) that is of French/Mexican descent. I tell her she is too lazy to surrender.
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Y'all do know the immigration "problem" is not actually a problem, and hasn't been for quite a while now, right?
I think the people who have friends and family on this site would beg to differ:
http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
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You people are aware that bought and paid Hillary is much more palatable for big corporate and the Saudi's over this dumbassed lout.
What do you mean by, "You people"?
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What do you mean by, "You people"?
It's popularly known as a slur.
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It's popularly known as a slur.
Yes it is. It doesn't feel inclusive or accepting.
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Yes it is. It doesn't feel inclusive or accepting.
Yes but I said it with a smile.
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Not sure which thread to put this in. I chose this one.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432848/donald-trump-opposes-free-speech-pc-left
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Yes but I said it with a smile.
Just because you said it with a smile doesn't mean your slur was in the spirit of diversity and inclusion.
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Just because you said it with a smile doesn't mean your slur was in the spirit of diversity and inclusion.
I included all Trumpist's and Hilliaryites. What more do you require?
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"pewhispanics"? Srsly, dude. You have the gall to link to a story referencing that Hispanics smell? :facepalm:
Major props, esse! This one raised the bar!
The rest of you lazy putos need to flush the stale nightclub jokes and make wisecracks great again.
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Try this on for size.
Why in the hell should he pander to a group that -- as you've repeatedly noted -- hates him? I'd rather he trolled them than barf out empty platitudes as every other politician does.
Exactly. The shrew will channel her inner Sofia Vergara and rush down to El Paso to tell her fellow chicanos y chicanas what a diablo that gringo Trump is.
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https://youtu.be/-FCAUrTMVkA
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https://youtu.be/-FCAUrTMVkA
I stand by what I said earlier. It could be Chuck Norris. It wouldn't matter who it is, people are sick of career politicians. I hate that it's a WWE figure like Trump, but it's not about Trump, it's about the movement. I don't understand why people can't see this. Trump was right about one thing, it wouldn't matter what he said, he would still get votes. Step back and look.....we are in a world where the media is hardcore pushing bullshit like gender identification. ESPN, Sports Illustrated. This kind of meaningless drivel is what we're being fed. If you weren't from this country and only paid attention to national headlines, you'd think we've lost our fucking minds. In a time where schools are suspending kids over bullshit.....in a time where we are having segregated movements by the black community on college campuses based on incorrect facts of law enforcement shootings..... and in a time where talking heads are having debates over which restroom to use......a brash redneck, racist, feminist, asshole is a GD presidential nominee. Saying the craziest shit any "politician" has ever dared to say. It's not about Trump, it's about a movement of people being fed up with stupid bullshit.
There are a shit ton more people who will vote for Trump than will admit because of the open ridicule. Nobody wants to be labeled a racist, nobody wants to be labeled a dumbass. But they are going to vote for him in their own privacy. I love the fact that enough people are finally sick of the same old DC bullshit, I just hope he can get the economy heading in the right direction without causing a major war or shitting on the constitution like previous others have tried to do.
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I stand by what I said earlier. It could be Chuck Norris. It wouldn't matter who it is, people are sick of career politicians. I hate that it's a WWE figure like Trump, but it's not about Trump, it's about the movement. I don't understand why people can't see this. Trump was right about one thing, it wouldn't matter what he said, he would still get votes. Step back and look.....we are in a world where the media is hardcore pushing bullshit like gender identification. ESPN, Sports Illustrated. This kind of meaningless drivel is what we're being fed. If you weren't from this country and only paid attention to national headlines, you'd think we've lost our fucking minds. In a time where schools are suspending kids over bullshit.....in a time where we are having segregated movements by the black community on college campuses based on incorrect facts of law enforcement shootings..... and in a time where talking heads are having debates over which restroom to use......a brash redneck, racist, feminist, asshole is a GD presidential nominee. Saying the craziest shit any "politician" has ever dared to say. It's not about Trump, it's about a movement of people being fed up with stupid bullshit.
There are a shit ton more people who will vote for Trump than will admit because of the open ridicule. Nobody wants to be labeled a racist, nobody wants to be labeled a dumbass. But they are going to vote for him in their own privacy. I love the fact that enough people are finally sick of the same old DC bullshit, I just hope he can get the economy heading in the right direction without causing a major war or shitting on the constitution like previous others have tried to do.
I'll have to admit, that was strong.
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Imma Trumper. I loathe the bullshit spewed forth from the likes of Ryan, all of the Bush FUCKS, MSM, obama and the rest of those entitled liberals in DC. I'm borderline ashamed of my service to country because they shit on the oath by subverting the US Constitution with bullshit laws limiting our LIBERTY while enriching themselves. Then there are the other elitist shits who enrich themselves while protecting the enemies (Bush with the Saudis on 911, Obama with ISIS). Next, there is the "Singing Canary", McCain, who should be executed publicly for treason. You know the story of how, during his captured ass/ so-called POW time in Vietnam, he gave up information that caused the deaths of REAL MEN IN UNIFORM. FUCK McCAIN and Kerry, execute them both along with Dubya, Cheney, GHW Bush, Obama, Hitlery, the list continues, for TREASON. I could go on, but I think you might understand just how fucking pissed off I am now. It's been brewing since 2001. I wanna see all of the guilty convicted and sentenced accordingly.
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I'm just gonna say. I will vote. I will vote for Trump over Hillary. Period.
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I stand by what I said earlier. It could be Chuck Norris. It wouldn't matter who it is, people are sick of career politicians. I hate that it's a WWE figure like Trump, but it's not about Trump, it's about the movement. I don't understand why people can't see this. Trump was right about one thing, it wouldn't matter what he said, he would still get votes. Step back and look.....we are in a world where the media is hardcore pushing bullshit like gender identification. ESPN, Sports Illustrated. This kind of meaningless drivel is what we're being fed. If you weren't from this country and only paid attention to national headlines, you'd think we've lost our fucking minds. In a time where schools are suspending kids over bullshit.....in a time where we are having segregated movements by the black community on college campuses based on incorrect facts of law enforcement shootings..... and in a time where talking heads are having debates over which restroom to use......a brash redneck, racist, feminist, asshole is a GD presidential nominee. Saying the craziest shit any "politician" has ever dared to say. It's not about Trump, it's about a movement of people being fed up with stupid bullshit.
There are a shit ton more people who will vote for Trump than will admit because of the open ridicule. Nobody wants to be labeled a racist, nobody wants to be labeled a dumbass. But they are going to vote for him in their own privacy. I love the fact that enough people are finally sick of the same old DC bullshit, I just hope he can get the economy heading in the right direction without causing a major war or shitting on the constitution like previous others have tried to do.
This guy has been trolling us, pretending to be a Bammer all this time. Bravo, sir. You pulled it off brilliantly.
Whether Trump wins or not, my hope is that future "politicians" will take note and run their campaigns in a somewhat similar fashion. Not with the rambling, incoherent babbling that Trump displays every time he speaks. And not with the vengeful vitriol he spits at every detractor. But certainly with a total disdain for political correctness. Unafraid to say what so much of America thinks but is too scared to say for fear of retribution given our current climate.
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our current climate.
Our current climate.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
Remember that speech? The greatest speech of all time given by the greatest speaker of all time. Content of character. Once upon a time that's all anyone wanted. To be judged by the content of their character. Then when we got to that point, we all decided we didn't want to be judged at all. We want to be whatever we want to be. We want to have whatever we want to have. We want to smoke and drink whatever we want to smoke and drink. But by (whatever it is accepted to believe in) you better NOT talk about my character. Because my character has nothing to do with anything.
I have a dream that my two children will one day live in a nation where they WILL be judged by the content of their character. A nation where they will be rewarded for hard work in the class room, a work ethic second to none, dedication to family and a desire to have a better quality of life. I can only dream it though, because we are on the path heading away from that direction.
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The death spiral started with that "speaker" and his bullshit.
He was a communist womanizer. All that came after has lbrought nothing but ruin. He can rot.
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The death spiral started with that "speaker" and his bullshit.
He was a communist womanizer. All that came after has lbrought nothing but ruin. He can rot.
Regardless, we aren't even practicing what the man wanted. Everyone pretends like the sentence stopped with "not by the color of their skin". It doesn't, it went on to say judged by the content of their character. But that is the first thing that comes up every time. His character doesn't matter. What he did before doesn't matter. It's just amazing to me that 30 years ago that's what this nation wanted and now you're a racists if you even bring up a person's character.
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I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."[2]
[2] Isaiah 40:4-5 (King James Version of the Holy Bible). Quotation marks are excluded from part of this moment in the text because King's rendering of Isaiah 40:4 does not precisely follow the KJV version from which he quotes (e.g., "hill" and "mountain" are reversed in the KJV). King's rendering of Isaiah 40:5, however, is precisely quoted from the KJV.
Did the liberals misinterpret this part of the speech as meaning to take a bulldozer and level the playing field by eliminating our heritage? Furthermore, create equality by giving away college degrees to anyone that can hold a pencil? To make racist the very thought of a man/woman judging the fruits of another man/woman?
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I stand by what I said earlier. It could be Chuck Norris. It wouldn't matter who it is, people are sick of career politicians. I hate that it's a WWE figure like Trump, but it's not about Trump, it's about the movement. I don't understand why people can't see this. Trump was right about one thing, it wouldn't matter what he said, he would still get votes. Step back and look.....we are in a world where the media is hardcore pushing bullshit like gender identification. ESPN, Sports Illustrated. This kind of meaningless drivel is what we're being fed. If you weren't from this country and only paid attention to national headlines, you'd think we've lost our fucking minds. In a time where schools are suspending kids over bullshit.....in a time where we are having segregated movements by the black community on college campuses based on incorrect facts of law enforcement shootings..... and in a time where talking heads are having debates over which restroom to use......a brash redneck, racist, feminist, asshole is a GD presidential nominee. Saying the craziest shit any "politician" has ever dared to say. It's not about Trump, it's about a movement of people being fed up with stupid bullshit.
There are a shit ton more people who will vote for Trump than will admit because of the open ridicule. Nobody wants to be labeled a racist, nobody wants to be labeled a dumbass. But they are going to vote for him in their own privacy. I love the fact that enough people are finally sick of the same old DC bullshit, I just hope he can get the economy heading in the right direction without causing a major war or shitting on the constitution like previous others have tried to do.
You are a backwoods, uneducated, racist, Alabama loving, piece of low class shit for even saying T-----'s name!
And you are too stupid to see it(like I see it)!
That is all.
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I stand by what I said earlier. It could be Chuck Norris. It wouldn't matter who it is, people are sick of career politicians. I hate that it's a WWE figure like Trump, but it's not about Trump, it's about the movement. I don't understand why people can't see this. Trump was right about one thing, it wouldn't matter what he said, he would still get votes. Step back and look.....we are in a world where the media is hardcore pushing bullshit like gender identification. ESPN, Sports Illustrated. This kind of meaningless drivel is what we're being fed. If you weren't from this country and only paid attention to national headlines, you'd think we've lost our fucking minds. In a time where schools are suspending kids over bullshit.....in a time where we are having segregated movements by the black community on college campuses based on incorrect facts of law enforcement shootings..... and in a time where talking heads are having debates over which restroom to use......a brash redneck, racist, feminist, asshole is a GD presidential nominee. Saying the craziest shit any "politician" has ever dared to say. It's not about Trump, it's about a movement of people being fed up with stupid bullshit.
There are a shit ton more people who will vote for Trump than will admit because of the open ridicule. Nobody wants to be labeled a racist, nobody wants to be labeled a dumbass. But they are going to vote for him in their own privacy. I love the fact that enough people are finally sick of the same old DC bullshit, I just hope he can get the economy heading in the right direction without causing a major war or shitting on the constitution like previous others have tried to do.
Look, I get that someone coming in and burning the two-party system to the ground is a good thing. But Trump is the wrong arsonist. If you want actual change for the better, actual choices of actual people who can intelligently run the government efficiently and sparsely, Gary Johnson and the Libertarian party is who you're looking for.
I just don't understand the argument that "The left is out of control! So we need to get someone in there with a retarded 13 year old's understanding of government, civics, and foreign relations! That'll fix it!"
Do you think Sports Illustrated is going to issue a retraction on the Caitlyn Jenner thing because the President of the United States is a goddamn idiot that can't spell Sunni & Shia, let alone know what the fuck they are? It's not like under Bush the left didn't lose their goddamn minds giving us MoveOn.org, AirAmerica, Michael Moore, Cindy Shehan, George Soros, Janeane Garafalo, Sean Penn and everything Team America satirized. What in the name of fuck do you think electing Kim-Jong Dipshit is going to do? Make them chillax, change their minds, and say "You know what, this guy's right"? Or do you expect him to make speech that you don't like illegal? Note that I said YOU, not HE, because you and Donald don't exactly align on much of this shit either.
https://youtu.be/BnPQdfvBnBE
But everyone has conflated him being a thoughtless belligerent boorish asshole with being some solution to political correctness. Not adhering to political correctness is saying "handicapped" instead of "differently abled". It's not saying "You're a fat cow, look at how ugly your stupid face is."
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch-xXK2UoAAUS18.jpg:large)
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Look, I get that someone coming in and burning the two-party system to the ground is a good thing. But Trump is the wrong arsonist. If you want actual change for the better, actual choices of actual people who can intelligently run the government efficiently and sparsely, Gary Johnson and the Libertarian party is who you're looking for.
I just don't understand the argument that "The left is out of control! So we need to get someone in there with a retarded 13 year old's understanding of government, civics, and foreign relations! That'll fix it!"
Do you think Sports Illustrated is going to issue a retraction on the Caitlyn Jenner thing because the President of the United States is a goddamn idiot that can't spell Sunni & Shia, let alone know what the fuck they are? It's not like under Bush the left didn't lose their goddamn minds giving us MoveOn.org, AirAmerica, Michael Moore, Cindy Shehan, George Soros, Janeane Garafalo, Sean Penn and everything Team America satirized. What in the name of fuck do you think electing Kim-Jong Dipshit is going to do? Make them chillax, change their minds, and say "You know what, this guy's right"? Or do you expect him to make speech that you don't like illegal? Note that I said YOU, not HE, because you and Donald don't exactly align on much of this shit either.
https://youtu.be/BnPQdfvBnBE
But everyone has conflated him being a thoughtless belligerent boorish asshole with being some solution to political correctness. Not adhering to political correctness is saying "handicapped" instead of "differently abled". It's not saying "You're a fat cow, look at how ugly your stupid face is."
^^
Suffused with hate.
This is where you're wrong and all the "idiots" are right. Trump isn't dumb. Your first mistake is thinking he is.
Your silly video didn't show anything. Didn't prove anything. He didn't confirm or deny anything. Only generalities.
Who cares? Shouldn't be up to the president anyway.
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Your silly video didn't show anything. Didn't prove anything. He didn't confirm or deny anything. Only generalities.
EXACTLY MY POINT.
Why then is the argument that "Jes u wait, when Trump gets innere no more faggots gettin' married!" supposed to be a valid one?
Trump standing for anything he supposedly stands for only exists in the deranged minds of his supporters.
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Your silly video didn't show anything.
Not anything new. But it reinforces that he likes to suck cock.
To my knowledge, he's never actually come out and admitted that on here. It's just accepted as fact and we all know it. But until he makes it public, it's hard to accept his political views, imo.
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EXACTLY MY POINT.
Why then is the argument that "Jes u wait, when Trump gets innere no more faggots gettin' married!" supposed to be a valid one?
Trump standing for anything he supposedly stands for only exists in the deranged minds of his supporters.
Don't think anybody really thinks that. Not a big platform issue for him.
Does it not matter to you in the least that hellholeary was staunchly against it -- and on record as such -- before she was self-servingly for it?
The fact that trump doesn't seem to give s shit much either way is a far better thing than our current homo in chief lighting up the fucking White House like s motherfucking rainbow. Do you have any idea how deeply that offended me and millions more?
We know what we get with that abominable whore. I despise her. I really don't care if Trump thinks aliens live on top of yield signs and flash their triple tits at him when he drives by. He can't be worse than her. She is the most despicable person on earth.
He's the only chance to beat her and has been for a long time.
That's all there is to it.
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Look, I get that someone coming in and burning the two-party system to the ground is a good thing. But Trump is the wrong arsonist. If you want actual change for the better, actual choices of actual people who can intelligently run the government efficiently and sparsely, Gary Johnson and the Libertarian party is who you're looking for.
Unfortunately, the Libertarian party is unknown and has no real shot at ever doing anything. We should do away with ALL parties. Just vote for the person. I'm 100% behind that.
I just don't understand the argument that "The left is out of control! So we need to get someone in there with a retarded 13 year old's understanding of government, civics, and foreign relations! That'll fix it!"
That's because you can't see past left/right, or you refuse. I'm not saying the left is out of control, therefore Trump. I'm saying ALL politics are out of control, therefore FUCK ALL CAREER POLITICIANS. If Trump were running as democrat the same shit would be happening.
Do you think Sports Illustrated is going to issue a retraction on the Caitlyn Jenner thing because the President of the United States is a goddamn idiot that can't spell Sunni & Shia, let alone know what the fuck they are? It's not like under Bush the left didn't lose their goddamn minds giving us MoveOn.org, AirAmerica, Michael Moore, Cindy Shehan, George Soros, Janeane Garafalo, Sean Penn and everything Team America satirized. What in the name of fuck do you think electing Kim-Jong Dipshit is going to do? Make them chillax, change their minds, and say "You know what, this guy's right"? Or do you expect him to make speech that you don't like illegal? Note that I said YOU, not HE, because you and Donald don't exactly align on much of this shit either.
No, I don't expect a president to control what SI,ESPN, or the media pushes out. I'm simply saying, people are tired of that bullshit, so they are making it known in one of the few places they have a voice....VOTES. Personally, I wish we as a nation were a little more serious about our beliefs, then we could just hit them in viewership where it really matters. But as long as sports dominate this nation, ESPN is going to get their views no matter what. And for the record, I don't align at all with a lot of stuff Trump says. BUT, I align LESS with Hillary. It's that simple. I wish it wasn't Trump. I didn't vote for the guy, I would still prefer Rubio. That is no longer an option for me.
But everyone has conflated him being a thoughtless belligerent boorish asshole with being some solution to political correctness. Not adhering to political correctness is saying "handicapped" instead of "differently abled". It's not saying "You're a fat cow, look at how ugly your stupid face is."
He isn't the solution. That isn't the point. The point is FINALLY people are starting to seek a solution. Enough is efuckingnough.
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Donald Trump, he'd like to build Internment Camps (similar to the Japanese Internment Camps used during WWII) for all Muslims living in America, over the age of 14...IMO, Trump is one of the wealthiest terrorists in the World.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/08/watch-george-stephanopoulos-jaw-drop-the-moment-trump-cites-japanese-internment-video/
So back to post 1 page 1 of this thread...
What's your point?
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What's your point?
Chad's muslim.
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Chad's muslim.
Still waiting on prowler to tell us what terrorist activities the GOP front runner is involved in.
His guy terrorizes people who make an honest living. He also terrorizes people with those rotted teeth and bed head.
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I know it'll be discounted/dismissed, but even PJ Fucking O'Rourke is voting against Trump:
Reluctantly, conservative author @PJORourke endorses Hillary Clinton. https://t.co/MzEJXva7nM https://t.co/jli9uAZBVm
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I know it'll be discounted/dismissed, but even PJ Fucking O'Rourke is voting against Trump:
Reluctantly, conservative author @PJORourke endorses Hillary Clinton. https://t.co/MzEJXva7nM https://t.co/jli9uAZBVm
Never heard of him.
Who?
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I know it'll be discounted/dismissed, but even PJ Fucking O'Rourke is voting against Trump:
Reluctantly, conservative author @PJORourke endorses Hillary Clinton. https://t.co/MzEJXva7nM https://t.co/jli9uAZBVm
I seriously don't see why that is surprising. I love PJ. Big libertarian. Also a founder of National Lampoon, FYI.
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Never heard of him.
Who?
Really?
I seriously don't see why that is surprising. I love PJ. Big libertarian. Also a founder of National Lampoon, FYI.
Exactly. A Trump presidency would be a goldmine for his brand and even he doesn't want it.
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Really?
Exactly. A Trump presidency would be a goldmine for his brand and even he doesn't want it.
I'd be more surprised if he said something I didn't agree with.
The actual statement is pretty great by the way.
Conservative Author P.J. O'Rourke Reluctantly Backs Clinton
May 9, 201611:37 AM ET
Hillary Clinton snagged another endorsement over the weekend, but don't expect her to trumpet it on the campaign trail.
"I have a little announcement to make ... I'm voting for Hillary. I am endorsing Hillary," noted conservative author P.J. O'Rourke said on NPR's Wait Wait ... Don't Tell Me. The episode aired over the weekend.
If the Clinton campaign wants to tout O'Rourke's support as it tries to woo moderate Republicans who supported Jeb Bush and George W. Bush, it might want to end the quote there.
"I am endorsing Hillary, and all her lies and all her empty promises," O'Rourke continued. "It's the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she's way behind in second place. She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters."
While many Republicans are falling in line — however reluctantly — behind de facto GOP nominee Donald Trump, O'Rourke is joining other prominent conservative authors like Bill Kristol, George Will and Erick Erickson in continuing to oppose a Trump candidacy.
"This man just can't be president," O'Rourke said, alluding to the nuclear codes the commander-in-chief takes control of upon assuming office. "They've got this button — this briefcase. He's going to find it."
"That is a ringing endorsement," fellow panelist Tom Bodett said after hearing O'Rourke's pitch.
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Really?
Exactly. A Trump presidency would be a goldmine for his brand and even he doesn't want it.
Very serious Clark. Chizad said something about lampoon. I don't know much about him in the political world though.
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Very serious Clark. Chizad said something about lampoon. I don't know much about him in the political world though.
You could be like me and give zero fucks what the entertainment world thinks about politics.
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Very serious Clark. Chizad said something about lampoon. I don't know much about him in the political world though.
Rectify that. Read his books. Good stuff.
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You could be like me and give zero fucks what the entertainment world thinks about politics.
He's a political author/journalist/satirist. Wouldn't say he's "in the entertainment world"...
The National Lampoon was a Harvard satirical magazine (then the Harvard Lampoon) before it was putting it's name on Chevy Chase movies.
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But I do appreciate this.....
"I am endorsing Hillary, and all her lies and all her empty promises," O'Rourke continued. "It's the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she's way behind in second place. She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters."
That is a perfectly worded endorsement.
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You could be like me and give zero fucks what the entertainment world thinks about politics.
He's entertaining, for sure, but he pundits harder and better than 95% of "serious political commenters."
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He's a political author/journalist/satirist. Wouldn't say he's "in the entertainment world"...
The National Lampoon was a Harvard satirical magazine (then the Harvard Lampoon) before it was putting it's name on Chevy Chase movies.
I guess it depends on your definition of entertainment. While I greatly appreciate satire, I definitely consider it entertainment.
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But I do appreciate this.....
That is a perfectly worded endorsement.
It echos what I've tried to convey in 68 pages of this thread. The man is a wordsmith. Seriously, read some of his books.
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Rectify that. Read his books. Good stuff.
Well he is endorsing Hillary so I may pass.
I've said all along I think these two are both bad. Why endorse either if that's true? Just to prove a point? Trump wasn't my guy. And I don't particularly like the dude that much. But it also doesn't mean I will endorse his opponent who is as bad if not worse. This reeks somewhat of political theater from a guy who will get a lot of press and page clicks from it.
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Never heard of him.
Who?
Doesn't matter. The fact that he endorsed hitlary should tell you all you need to know about his "conservatism"!
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Well he is endorsing Hillary so I may pass.
I've said all along I think these two are both bad. Why endorse either if that's true? Just to prove a point? Trump wasn't my guy. And I don't particularly like the dude that much. But it also doesn't mean I will endorse his opponent who is as bad if not worse. This reeks somewhat of political theater from a guy who will get a lot of press and page clicks from it.
Seriously, did you read the endorsement?
Do you disagree with it? I know others in this thread do, but wouldn't think you would...
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Seriously, did you read the endorsement?
Do you disagree with it? I know others in this thread do, but wouldn't think you would...
Nope.
"Hillary endorsement" is all many saw.
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It echos what I've tried to convey in 68 pages of this thread. The man is a wordsmith. Seriously, read some of his books.
The thing is, Chad, you're very clear in what you're saying. And I think most of us agree with what you are saying. Hell, I'd vote you over these fucks. I'd vote for Kaos over Hillary and Trump. I'd vote for Gene Fucking Chizik over the nominations. I'd vote for a Bernie Sanders/Prowler ticket before Hillary. Seriously.
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Seriously, did you read the endorsement?
Do you disagree with it? I know others in this thread do, but wouldn't think you would...
Trump aside, I really just loathe Hillary. I'd rather have neither and have had that stance the last 3 months. It's why I supported the others for the nomination.
I get what he's saying but still....
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How it is possible that this country only has two god damn families to select from for president?
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How it is possible that this country only has two god damn families to select from for president?
True.
Koch v. Soros sucks.
Jk...Soros doesn't have that much sway.
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Trump aside, I really just loathe Hillary. I'd rather have neither and have had that stance the last 3 months. It's why I supported the others for the nomination.
I get what he's saying but still....
If the choice is binary, I'm voting for Hillary for exactly the reasons PJ said. She's awful and wrong about everything, but "within normal parameters", unlike Trump.
Fortunately, the choice is not binary, and I will likely be voting for Johnson.
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If the choice is binary, I'm voting for Hillary for exactly the reasons PJ said. She's awful and wrong about everything, but "within normal parameters", unlike Trump.
Fortunately, the choice is not binary, and I will likely be voting for Johnson.
Must admit that I'm surprised to learn that you're even binary.
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If the choice is binary, I'm voting for Hillary...
That tells me and those like me all we need to know about you...
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Those voting for Trump should probably pay very, VERY close attention to what he says when talking about our debt. He wants to print the money to cover the debt. Stop & think about that for a second, think about what that would do to the value of our dollar. This is the kind of self proclaimed brilliant business man Trump is. In the earlier pages when I stated that you can't file bankruptcy for a Country to get out of the debt it owes, I didn't think Trump would be dumb enough to think it would be a good idea to just print the money.
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Those voting for Trump should probably pay very, VERY close attention to what he says when talking about our debt. He wants to print the money to cover the debt. Stop & think about that for a second, think about what that would do to the value of our dollar. This is the kind of self proclaimed brilliant business man Trump is. In the earlier pages when I stated that you can't file bankruptcy for a Country to get out of the debt it owes, I didn't think Trump would be dumb enough to think it would be a good idea to just print the money.
Your guy is just as economically dumb. Why not raise the minimum wage to a BILLION dollars an hour?
That said, you are correct, this is monumentally stupid and potentially catastrophic...
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I know it'll be discounted/dismissed, but even PJ Fucking O'Rourke is voting against Trump:
Reluctantly, conservative author @PJORourke endorses Hillary Clinton. https://t.co/MzEJXva7nM https://t.co/jli9uAZBVm
Enjoyed PJ's work in Halloween and Stripes.
Beyond that. Not a single fuck was given what PJ likes or doesn't like. Fuck PJ.
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Enjoyed PJ's work in Halloween and Stripes.
Beyond that. Not a single fuck was given what PJ likes or doesn't like. Fuck PJ.
His only film credit is Easy Money with Rodney Dangerfield and Joe Pesc....oh. PJ Soles. I get it.
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Those voting for Trump should probably pay very, VERY close attention to what he says when talking about our debt. He wants to print the money to cover the debt. Stop & think about that for a second, think about what that would do to the value of our dollar. This is the kind of self proclaimed brilliant business man Trump is. In the earlier pages when I stated that you can't file bankruptcy for a Country to get out of the debt it owes, I didn't think Trump would be dumb enough to think it would be a good idea to just print the money.
What do you think we do now?
The printed money IS the debt.
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Those voting for Trump should probably pay very, VERY close attention to what he says when talking about our debt. He wants to print the money to cover the debt. Stop & think about that for a second, think about what that would do to the value of our dollar. This is the kind of self proclaimed brilliant business man Trump is. In the earlier pages when I stated that you can't file bankruptcy for a Country to get out of the debt it owes, I didn't think Trump would be dumb enough to think it would be a good idea to just print the money.
What do you think the Dems have been doing for the last 8 years? They print money and then borrow from ourselves.
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Your guy is just as economically dumb. Why not raise the minimum wage to a BILLION dollars an hour?
That said, you are correct, this is monumentally stupid and potentially catastrophic...
I don't think he is serious. It's an attention getter and set-up for the dims and gop because they are both guilty of spending like drunken sailors. Watch how everyone pounces on it (reverse psychology is a beautiful thing). I just love watching the show.
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I don't think he is serious. It's an attention getter and set-up for the dims and gop because they are both guilty of spending like drunken sailors. Watch how everyone pounces on it (reverse psychology is a beautiful thing). I just love watching the show.
Not saying it's right but I'm starting to come to the conclusion that it's exactly what he's doing.
Autr is right though. We (fed reserve orders the mint) print the money. And then we (U.S. Govt treasury) borrow it from ourselves (fed reserve). The fed reserve in itself issuing the printing of currency is illegal but who cares right? That was intended to be a U.S. Mint/ treasury role only with permission of the congress.
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Waste of time to talk further about Trump. He's going to be the choice on the Republican side.
Waste of time to talk further about Gary Johnson, Bleep Bloop Bork or any other fringe candidate who has as much chance of winning as dallas does.
So let's talk about the democratic side.
Hillary is so repulsive, even to her own base that she can't put away a raving lunatic. Bernie Sanders is an absolute moron. Against anybody else but that wildebeest shrew he'd be laughed off the stage.
Tomi - she's amazing - gets it. She gets all of it.
https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/videos/986487584777762/
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https://youtu.be/9exGUMyEC3w
(Skip to 2:30)
This is a case study in Trump's idiocy. Where to begin.
1) He's pandering to the coal miners by saying "SEE?!? FUCK SCIENCE! I DON'T GIVE ONE FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT! I'M IGNORANT AS SHIT, VOTE FOR ME!"
2) Does he understand how houses work? Does he think it's hermetically sealed? What kind of mutant are we running for the GOP nominee that doesn't breathe oxygen in his hermetically sealed layer?
3) He's talking about something that no one has even talked about in 30 years. He might as well be up there bitching about New Coke or Crystal Pepsi.
4) The reason no one has talked about CFCs destroying the ozone in 30 years is because it's settled science. We figured it out, cut out the CFCs, and the ozone regenerated. We fixed it, because science. In case you forgot, scientists figured out that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were floating into the stratosphere, reacting with UV rays, breaking off one of the chlorine atoms, which reacted with the ozone molecules and broke them down. In the 80s, the rate of ozone being broken down outpaced the rate of ozone being produced. That was a problem. It wasn't hippie mumbo jumbo bullshit. We stopped producing CFCs, and the ozone was able to replenish appropriately. That's just scientific fact.
And just like scientists knew that then, while you people probably bitched about it being hippie nonsense, we now know that the use of coal is releasing too much CO2 (and methane, both greenhouse gases) into the environment, causing a heating effect. We know that exactly like we knew CFCs were depleting the ozone layer. Except they don't believe the CO2 problem is as quickly reversible as the ozone was.
I don't want to go too deep into my personal stance on this, because it'll be ignored anyway as "know-it-all, elitist snobbery" as it has in the past. But while I don't think we have to 100% panic and cut out coal completely, I think we need to be reducing that shit and looking at transitioning to other cleaner forms of energy, and making those as efficient and economical as coal currently is. Fracking for natural gas and using nuclear energy (two things leftist hippies are averse to) are not excluded from this.
(PS I like this version better)
http://youtu.be/2JEa1jhWjss
Others:
https://youtu.be/cFSERNfT6N8
https://youtu.be/Ht4se7Gi46g
https://youtu.be/Y96iyHBhIe0
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Waste of time to talk further about Trump. He's going to be the choice on the Republican side.
Waste of time to talk further about Gary Johnson, Bleep Bloop Bork or any other fringe candidate who has as much chance of winning as dallas does.
So let's talk about the democratic side.
Hillary is so repulsive, even to her own base that she can't put away a raving lunatic. Bernie Sanders is an absolute moron. Against anybody else but that wildebeest shrew he'd be laughed off the stage.
Tomi - she's amazing - gets it. She gets all of it.
https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/videos/986487584777762/
Bernie is a moron, but laps Trump. You don't get to criticize the intelligence of candidates when you're supporting asshole Forrest Gump.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-the-conservative-hope-1462833870
Hillary: The Conservative Hope
The right can survive liberal presidents. Trump will kill its best ideas for a generation.
By BRET STEPHENS
May 9, 2016 6:44 p.m. ET
The best hope for what’s left of a serious conservative movement in America is the election in November of a Democratic president, held in check by a Republican Congress. Conservatives can survive liberal administrations, especially those whose predictable failures lead to healthy restorations—think Carter, then Reagan. What isn’t survivable is a Republican president who is part Know Nothing, part Smoot-Hawley and part John Birch. The stain of a Trump administration would cripple the conservative cause for a generation.
This is the reality that wavering Republicans need to understand before casting their lot with a presumptive nominee they abhor only slightly less than his likely opponent. If the next presidency is going to be a disaster, why should the GOP want to own it?
In the 1990s, when another Clinton was president, conservatives became fond of the phrase “character counts.†This was a way of scoring points against Bill Clinton for his sexual predations and rhetorical misdirections, as well as a statement that Americans expected honor and dignity in the Oval Office. I’ll never forget the family friend, circa 1998, who wondered how she was supposed to explain the meaning of a euphemism for oral sex to her then 10-year-old daughter.
Conservatives still play the character card against Hillary Clinton, citing her disdain for other people’s rules, her Marie Antoinette airs and her potential law breaking. It’s a fair card to play, if only the presumptive Republican nominee weren’t himself a serial fabulist, an incorrigible self-mythologizer, a brash vulgarian, and, when it comes to his tax returns, a determined obfuscator. Endorsing Mr. Trump means permanently laying to rest any claim conservatives might ever again make on the character issue.
Conservatives are also supposed to believe that it’s folly to put hope before experience; that leopards never change their spots. So what’s with the magical thinking that, nomination in hand, Mr. Trump will suddenly pivot to magnanimity and statesmanship? Where’s the evidence that, as president, Mr. Trump will endorse conservative ideas on tax, trade, regulation, welfare, social, judicial or foreign policy, much less personal comportment?
On Monday, former Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who savaged Mr. Trump during the campaign, published an op-ed in these pages on why he plans to cast his vote for the real-estate developer as “the second-worst thing we could do this November.†Too much is at stake, Mr. Jindal said, on everything from curbing the regulatory excesses of the Obama administration to appointing a conservative judge to the Supreme Court, to risk another Democratic administration.
Mr. Jindal holds out the hope that Mr. Trump, who admires the Supreme Court’s 2005 Kelo decision on eminent domain (the one in which Susette Kelo’s little pink house was seized by the city of New London for the intended benefit of private developers), might yet appoint strict constructionists to the bench. Mr. Jindal also seems to think that a man whose preferred style of argument is the threatened lawsuit and the Twittertantrum, can be trusted with the vast investigative apparatus of the federal government.
The deeper mistake that Mr. Jindal and other lukewarm Trump supporters make is to assume that policy counts for more than ideas—that is, that the policy disasters he anticipates from a Clinton administration will be indelible, while Trumpism poses no real threat to the conservative ideas he has spent a political career championing. This belief stems from a failure to take Trumpism seriously, or to realize just how fragile modern conservatism is as a vital political movement.
But Trumpism isn’t just a triumph of marketing or the excrescence of a personality cult. It is a regression to the conservatism of blood and soil, of ethnic polarization and bullying nationalism. Modern conservatives sought to bury this rubbish with a politics that strikes a balance between respect for tradition and faith in the dynamic and culture-shifting possibilities of open markets. When that balance collapses—under a Republican president, no less—it may never again be restored, at least in our lifetimes.
For liberals, all this may seem like so much manna from heaven. Mr. Trump’s nomination not only gives his Democratic opponent the best possible shot at winning the election (with big down-ballot gains, too), but of permanently discrediting the conservative movement as a serious ideological challenger. They should be careful what they wish for. Mr. Trump could yet win, or one of his epigones might in four or eight years. This will lead to its own left-wing counter-reactions, putting America on the road to Weimar.
For conservatives, a Democratic victory in November means the loss of another election, with all the policy reversals that entails. That may be dispiriting, but elections will come again. A Trump presidency means losing the Republican Party. Conservatives need to accept that most conservative of wisdoms—sometimes, losing is winning, especially when it offers an education in the importance of political hygiene.
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4) The reason no one has talked about CFCs destroying the ozone in 30 years is because it's settled science. We figured it out, cut out the CFCs, and the ozone regenerated. We fixed it, because science. In case you forgot, scientists figured out that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were floating into the stratosphere, reacting with UV rays, breaking off one of the chlorine atoms, which reacted with the ozone molecules and broke them down. In the 80s, the rate of ozone being broken down outpaced the rate of ozone being produced. That was a problem. It wasn't hippie mumbo jumbo bullshit. We stopped producing CFCs, and the ozone was able to replenish appropriately. That's just scientific fact.
So you are saying the since we dumped R12 for R134A and R22 for R410A, that we saved the ozone?
And that it is a scientific fact?
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Show of hands just so we're straight....who wants the coal mines shut down? Who wants them to remain? Not as a predominate or solitary fuel source. Just as an option.
What I have issue with the dems on with this - whether you believe coal and gas are causing climate change or not, is that they want it gone. They want it shutdown. And they want to force people on the green energies. I don't like that. That's authoritarian. But they aren't doing it for the sake of Mother Earth. They do it because they are lobbied hard by environmental radicals and these companies like solyndra who make green products. The left always talks about how bad the gun lobby is but the epa and environmental loons are just as bad if not worse but are talked about far less.
People that care about the earth are conservationists. People who claim to but only use it for political reasons are environmentalists. Big difference.
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https://youtu.be/9exGUMyEC3w
(Skip to 2:30)
This is a case study in Trump's idiocy. Where to begin.
1) He's pandering to the coal miners by saying "SEE?!? FUCK SCIENCE! I DON'T GIVE ONE FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT! I'M IGNORANT AS SHIT, VOTE FOR ME!"
2) Does he understand how houses work? Does he think it's hermetically sealed? What kind of mutant are we running for the GOP nominee that doesn't breathe oxygen in his hermetically sealed layer?
3) He's talking about something that no one has even talked about in 30 years. He might as well be up there bitching about New Coke or Crystal Pepsi.
4) The reason no one has talked about CFCs destroying the ozone in 30 years is because it's settled science. We figured it out, cut out the CFCs, and the ozone regenerated. We fixed it, because science. In case you forgot, scientists figured out that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were floating into the stratosphere, reacting with UV rays, breaking off one of the chlorine atoms, which reacted with the ozone molecules and broke them down. In the 80s, the rate of ozone being broken down outpaced the rate of ozone being produced. That was a problem. It wasn't hippie mumbo jumbo bullshit. We stopped producing CFCs, and the ozone was able to replenish appropriately. That's just scientific fact.
And just like scientists knew that then, while you people probably bitched about it being hippie nonsense, we now know that the use of coal is releasing too much CO2 (and methane, both greenhouse gases) into the environment, causing a heating effect. We know that exactly like we knew CFCs were depleting the ozone layer. Except they don't believe the CO2 problem is as quickly reversible as the ozone was.
I don't want to go too deep into my personal stance on this, because it'll be ignored anyway as "know-it-all, elitist snobbery" as it has in the past. But while I don't think we have to 100% panic and cut out coal completely, I think we need to be reducing that shit and looking at transitioning to other cleaner forms of energy, and making those as efficient and economical as coal currently is. Fracking for natural gas and using nuclear energy (two things leftist hippies are averse to) are not excluded from this.
(PS I like this version better)
http://youtu.be/2JEa1jhWjss
Others:
https://youtu.be/cFSERNfT6N8
https://youtu.be/Ht4se7Gi46g
https://youtu.be/Y96iyHBhIe0
You do realize that the hockey stick has been flat for the past 20 years, right? According to all your "experts", we should already be under water, there should be no ice at the poles, no Polar bears, no food, etc.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/
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You do realize that the hockey stick has been flat for the past 20 years, right? According to all your "experts", we should already be under water, there should be no ice at the poles, no Polar bears, no food, etc.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/)
Damn you. He has personal experience that you are wrong. Science save the ozone layer.
Coal is a viable fuel source that no more harms the environment than any other waste emission manufacturing process. But I guess we could shut them all down and get everything from China...
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Waste of time to talk further about Trump. He's going to be the choice on the Republican side.
Waste of time to talk further about Gary Johnson, Bleep Bloop Bork or any other fringe candidate who has as much chance of winning as dallas does.
So let's talk about the democratic side.
Hillary is so repulsive, even to her own base that she can't put away a raving lunatic. Bernie Sanders is an absolute moron. Against anybody else but that wildebeest shrew he'd be laughed off the stage.
Tomi - she's amazing - gets it. She gets all of it.
https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/videos/986487584777762/
She really is. And I don't even know what she is saying. Good heavens she delicious.
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So you are saying the since we dumped R12 for R134A and R22 for R410A, that we saved the ozone?
And that it is a scientific fact?
Yes. I just explained how we know this and how the problem ceased when we switched. I'm sorry you didn't understand.
Show of hands just so we're straight....who wants the coal mines shut down? Who wants them to remain? Not as a predominate or solitary fuel source. Just as an option.
What I have issue with the dems on with this - whether you believe coal and gas are causing climate change or not, is that they want it gone. They want it shutdown. And they want to force people on the green energies. I don't like that. That's authoritarian. But they aren't doing it for the sake of Mother Earth. They do it because they are lobbied hard by environmental radicals and these companies like solyndra who make green products. The left always talks about how bad the gun lobby is but the epa and environmental loons are just as bad if not worse but are talked about far less.
People that care about the earth are conservationists. People who claim to but only use it for political reasons are environmentalists. Big difference.
Not raising my hand. I guess I'm a conservationist then by your definition. What I'm not is someone who thinks all scientists are making nonsense up to fuck with you and your way of life. Dismissing scientific facts on carbon emissions (and CFCs, which apparently Trump and CCTAU still dispute in the face of even the tangible evidence that we FIXED the problem by cutting them out) is nothing but pure ignorance.
I said in my post, even though it was straying off topic, that I'm not an alarmist and don't think we have to cut coal use out ENTIRELY and IMMEDIATELY. But we do need to start looking to the future now. This is the conversation we should be having. WE KNOW THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL. Now what do we do about it? The problem is, knuckle draggers won't let us get to that point in the conversation. I'd probably agree with most of you once we were finally able to get there.
You do realize that the hockey stick has been flat for the past 20 years, right? According to all your "experts", we should already be under water, there should be no ice at the poles, no Polar bears, no food, etc.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/
I'm not going to debunk that piece line by line, but it's idiotic. The bottom line on why it's ignorant is that THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY FLUCTUATIONS in temperature.
That's like saying this person didn't lose weight at all because there were pauses in the pounds lost.
(http://fitorfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/WeightLoss_July26-Sep4_2012.png)
"THE DIET HAS NO EFFECT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT LOSE WEIGHT CONTINUOUSLY!"
Surely, you see why that is stupid. Apply it to climate change.
Also, your link did not include anything about the hockey stick. It is not flat. I don't know where you got that bullshit, but it isn't true.
Here is a history on the misfiring against the hockey stick theory. Don't worry, I'm aware no one will read it, because you'd rather be ignorant than wrong.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/the-hockey-stick-the-most-controversial-chart-in-science-explained/275753/
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Damn you. He has personal experience that you are wrong. Science save the ozone layer.
Coal is a viable fuel source that no more harms the environment than any other waste emission manufacturing process. But I guess we could shut them all down and get everything from China...
I didn't say shut them all down. I said it three times now. You are incapable of making arguments without attributing strawman arguments to me.
And what do you think fixed the ozone? My mind is blown that you can continue to deny this.
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, Bleep Bloop Bork or any other fringe candidate who has as much chance of winning as dallas does.
So today I have been called a fag, and I have a slight chance of winning the presidency. All in all not my best day but could be worst.
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https://youtu.be/9exGUMyEC3w
(Skip to 2:30)
This is a case study in Trump's idiocy. Where to begin.
1) He's pandering to the coal miners by saying "SEE?!? FUCK SCIENCE! I DON'T GIVE ONE FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT! I'M IGNORANT AS SHIT, VOTE FOR ME!"
2) Does he understand how houses work? Does he think it's hermetically sealed? What kind of mutant are we running for the GOP nominee that doesn't breathe oxygen in his hermetically sealed layer?
3) He's talking about something that no one has even talked about in 30 years. He might as well be up there bitching about New Coke or Crystal Pepsi.
4) The reason no one has talked about CFCs destroying the ozone in 30 years is because it's settled science. We figured it out, cut out the CFCs, and the ozone regenerated. We fixed it, because science. In case you forgot, scientists figured out that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were floating into the stratosphere, reacting with UV rays, breaking off one of the chlorine atoms, which reacted with the ozone molecules and broke them down. In the 80s, the rate of ozone being broken down outpaced the rate of ozone being produced. That was a problem. It wasn't hippie mumbo jumbo bullshit. We stopped producing CFCs, and the ozone was able to replenish appropriately. That's just scientific fact.
And just like scientists knew that then, while you people probably bitched about it being hippie nonsense, we now know that the use of coal is releasing too much CO2 (and methane, both greenhouse gases) into the environment, causing a heating effect. We know that exactly like we knew CFCs were depleting the ozone layer. Except they don't believe the CO2 problem is as quickly reversible as the ozone was.
I don't want to go too deep into my personal stance on this, because it'll be ignored anyway as "know-it-all, elitist snobbery" as it has in the past. But while I don't think we have to 100% panic and cut out coal completely, I think we need to be reducing that shit and looking at transitioning to other cleaner forms of energy, and making those as efficient and economical as coal currently is. Fracking for natural gas and using nuclear energy (two things leftist hippies are averse to) are not excluded from this.
(PS I like this version better)
http://youtu.be/2JEa1jhWjss
Others:
https://youtu.be/cFSERNfT6N8
https://youtu.be/Ht4se7Gi46g
https://youtu.be/Y96iyHBhIe0
Fuck YES!
Thanks. Everything you posted makes me like him more.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-the-conservative-hope-1462833870
Fuck them too.
Crybaby bitches.
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Fuck YES!
Thanks. Everything you posted makes me like him more.
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Yes. I just explained how we know this and how the problem ceased when we switched. I'm sorry you didn't understand.
Not raising my hand. I guess I'm a conservationist then by your definition. What I'm not is someone who thinks all scientists are making nonsense up to fuck with you and your way of life. Dismissing scientific facts on carbon emissions (and CFCs, which apparently Trump and CCTAU still dispute in the face of even the tangible evidence that we FIXED the problem by cutting them out) is nothing but pure ignorance.
I said in my post, even though it was straying off topic, that I'm not an alarmist and don't think we have to cut coal use out ENTIRELY and IMMEDIATELY. But we do need to start looking to the future now. This is the conversation we should be having. WE KNOW THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL. Now what do we do about it? The problem is, knuckle draggers won't let us get to that point in the conversation. I'd probably agree with most of you once we were finally able to get there.
I'm not going to debunk that piece line by line, but it's idiotic. The bottom line on why it's ignorant is that THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY FLUCTUATIONS in temperature.
That's like saying this person didn't lose weight at all because there were pauses in the pounds lost.
(http://fitorfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/WeightLoss_July26-Sep4_2012.png)
"THE DIET HAS NO EFFECT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT LOSE WEIGHT CONTINUOUSLY!"
Surely, you see why that is stupid. Apply it to climate change.
Also, your link did not include anything about the hockey stick. It is not flat. I don't know where you got that bullshit, but it isn't true.
Here is a history on the misfiring against the hockey stick theory. Don't worry, I'm aware no one will read it, because you'd rather be ignorant than wrong.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/the-hockey-stick-the-most-controversial-chart-in-science-explained/275753/
Climate change is a fucking hoax. Proven. Things go up and down over time. It's cyclical.
Pretending otherwise is the height of snowflake misplaced outrage.
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Climate change is a fucking hoax. Proven. Things go up and down over time. It's cyclical.
Pretending otherwise is the height of snowflake misplaced outrage.
Dieting is a fucking hoax. Proven. Things go up and down over time. It's cyclical.
Pretending otherwise is the height of snowflake misplaced outrage.
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Dieting is a fucking hoax. Proven. Things go up and down over time. It's cyclical.
Pretending otherwise is the height of snowflake misplaced outrage.
There is proof that for some people dieting shows results.
There is ZERO proof that this, that or the other impacts "climate change".
Forty years ago we were headed to an ice age. Now it's a heat wave. Twenty years from now it will be an ice age again. Thank god a diet works so I can still wear my parka from before.
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There is proof that for some people dieting shows results.
There is ZERO proof that this, that or the other impacts "climate change".
Forty years ago we were headed to an ice age. Now it's a heat wave. Twenty years from now it will be an ice age again. Thank god a diet works so I can still wear my parka from before.
This is stupid.
I don't know what else to say, but if you believe this, you are stupid. Willfully ignorant is still ignorant.
ZERO proof that "this, that or the other" impacts climate change, except the hundreds of thousands of studies and scholarly journals and a vast, vast, vast majority consensus of the scientific community. But you, Kaos of TigersX.com say there's no proof, so there's no proof. Fuck's sake, do you dispute the earth is round too?
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Please explain temperature fluctuations, better known as "Climate Change" that occurred prior to the industrial revolution.
Did we burn too many candles? too many farting cows? Too many farting Dinosaurs?
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This is stupid.
I don't know what else to say, but if you believe this, you are stupid. Willfully ignorant is still ignorant.
ZERO proof that "this, that or the other" impacts climate change, except the hundreds of thousands of studies and scholarly journals and a vast, vast, vast majority consensus of the scientific community. But you, Kaos of TigersX.com say there's no proof, so there's no proof. Fuck's sake, do you dispute the earth is round too?
Why did they abandon the proven science of global cooling?
Why did they abandon the proven science of Global Warming?
Now I need to change my way of life, tax the shit out everyone, watch the political cronies get rich chasing green alternatives on the government dime all because we have no fucking clue which way the climate will CHANGE next.
Please find me one temperature model your exalted scientists published 20, 10 , or even 5 years ago that are even close to being accurate. Proven science my ass
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Please explain temperature fluctuations, better known as "Climate Change" that occurred prior to the industrial revolution.
Did we burn too many candles? too many farting cows? Too many farting Dinosaurs?
DONE!
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/126000/George-Washington-Riding-a-Dinosaur-126354.jpg)
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This is stupid.
I don't know what else to say, but if you believe this, you are stupid. Willfully ignorant is still ignorant.
ZERO proof that "this, that or the other" impacts climate change, except the hundreds of thousands of studies and scholarly journals and a vast, vast, vast majority consensus of the scientific community. But you, Kaos of TigersX.com say there's no proof, so there's no proof. Fuck's sake, do you dispute the earth is round too?
HAHAHAHAA. "Journals". And "scientific studies". And "vast consensus".
HAHAHAHAHAJAA.
That's like an internal investigation at Alabama.
ALL bullshit and speculation. We don't understand the vagaries of nature so we shall theorize as to their causes and then pat each other on the back to show how smart we are.
Show me one single tangible verifiable change made that has impacted it in any way. You can't. But 20 or 30 years from now when the climate begins its inevitable shift toward cooling, these idiots will congratulate themselves. For doing nothing.
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Please explain temperature fluctuations, better known as "Climate Change" that occurred prior to the industrial revolution.
That ^^ is the big thing for me.
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This is stupid.
I don't know what else to say, but if you believe this, you are stupid. Willfully ignorant is still ignorant.
ZERO proof that "this, that or the other" impacts climate change, except the hundreds of thousands of studies and scholarly journals and a vast, vast, vast majority consensus of the scientific community. But you, Kaos of TigersX.com say there's no proof, so there's no proof. Fuck's sake, do you dispute the earth is round too?
I'll go to he middle of you both here. I think it's inconclusive. And when you aren't sure, you play it safe. Would be a shame to try and shut down any industry with any kind of byproduct and then come back 60 years later and go "oh shit, we messed up. We thought we knew. But we didn't."
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That ^^ is the big thing for me.
Science had not been invented yet. There were no journals. Duh.
This "climate change" shit is about like the studies on eggs. Eat them. No don't! Only the white! Only the yolk. They're bad!! They're good! No they are bad!! Consensus every time. Until it changes.
I eat eggs all the time. They are delicious. My cholesterol is fantastic. I know people who refuse to eat eggs. Their cholesterol is high (the whole cholesterol thing is a pharmacy farce too btw).
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Science had not been invented yet. There were no journals. Duh.
This "climate change" shit is about like the studies on eggs. Eat them. No don't! Only the white! Only the yolk. They're bad!! They're good! No they are bad!! Consensus every time. Until it changes.
I eat eggs all the time. They are delicious. My cholesterol is fantastic. I know people who refuse to eat eggs. Their cholesterol is high (the whole cholesterol thing is a pharmacy farce too btw).
Same with coffee. Some people drink half a cup and their heart about beats out of their chest. I can down a whole pot and my resting heart rate afterwards is 46. Again, inconclusive.
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Please explain temperature fluctuations, better known as "Climate Change" that occurred prior to the industrial revolution.
Did we burn too many candles? too many farting cows? Too many farting Dinosaurs?
Where to begin with this?
First of all, YOU brought up the hockey stick theory by falsely stating that it has flattened. Do you even know what it is you were referring to?
(http://14o98e2qnerm1mh77c2ehsz882z.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/The-hockey-stick-temp-curve.png)
The "curve" of the hockey stick begins right around 1900. When do you think the Industrial Revolution took place? Where is the rise of overall temperature prior to the Industrial Revolution? What the fuck are you talking about? Or you still can't wrap your head around the fact that fluctuations occur in overall trends? You can't understand why there are spikes in the graph, and still understand that there WAS a linear trend until the turn of the century, when the TREND spiked upward? Again, if that was a measurement of someone's weight in pounds over the course of, say a decade, I'm sure you'd understand that that the peaks are going to happen and have nothing to do with the overall trend, and you would realize that at the end of that graph, the TREND upward in pounds would be alarming. But because you put a mental block on ANY possibility of the reality of climate change, you're choosing to be obtuse here.
Secondly, there are other things that emit carbon dioxide and methane, yes. Other factors contribute to the "hockey stick", including population booms. They are all relatively a problem. Coal consumption happens to be one of the bigger ones.
Why did they abandon the proven science of global cooling?
They didn't.
Why did they abandon the proven science of Global Warming?
They didn't.
The term changed to "climate change" as an attempt to explain to people who can't wrap their heads anything more complex than this retarded argument.
The overall warming contributes to changes in ocean currents, which causes those fluctuations you're perplexed by. Which means colder winters, warmer summers, and overall less predictability in the weather (which is not the same as the climate). I've linked to videos and articles that explain this in layman's terms, but you guys want to soak in your own ignorance and continue to make this stupid argument, thinking you're "getting one over" on those of us who understand it. If you would actually take your blinders off and attempt to understand what is happening, you would realize how ridiculous your argument actually is. I could link to more articles and videos again, but it will be a waste of all of our time.
Now I need to change my way of life, tax the shit out everyone, watch the political cronies get rich chasing green alternatives on the government dime all because we have no fucking clue which way the climate will CHANGE next.
Four times now I've had to say I'm not advocating "changing your way of life". I'm not saying cut out coal. I'm saying look into other options and advance technologically. Why is that such a bad thing? If we listened to you in the 1800s, we'd still be treating headaches with bloodletting.
Please find me one temperature model your exalted scientists published 20, 10 , or even 5 years ago that are even close to being accurate. Proven science my ass
The "hockey stick" you pretended to know about is a model developed in 1999. More than 5 years ago. More than 10 years ago. Nearly 20 years ago.
Here are hundreds more from at least 20 years ago that link CO2 to climate change.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=climate+change+model+c02&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C19&as_yhi=1996&as_vis=1
Heaven forbid you google and learn something.
I'm done with this topic. We've been around this same block. You're wrong. You're factually, inexplicably, scientifically wrong. This thread is about Trump. Bring it back up in one of the "global warming is a hoax!!1" threads you already started if you want to discuss further.
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They had thermometers in 1016?
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They had thermometers in 1016?
No they backwards extrapolated just like they have tried to forward extrapolate. It's all made up bullshit.
Scientists and weathermen can't even tell you for sure what the weather is going to do next week but they want you to believe they know what it will be doing 20 years from now???
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They had thermometers in 1016?
Well to be fair I think it was 1020, but you know they are always trying to sneak a year or four in you.
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Oh, and I glossed over this:
Now I need to change my way of life, tax the shit out everyone, watch the political cronies get rich chasing green alternatives on the government dime all because we have no fucking clue which way the climate will CHANGE next.
This is the most hilarious part to me. How exactly do you figure political cronies are getting rich by exploring alternate technology.
I'm not one of these "THE KOCH BROTHERS CONTROL EVERYTHING" conspiracy theorists, but they, and the oil industry as a whole, are the ones who stand to profit from never switching off of oil. This should be obvious if you do about two seconds of critical thinking.
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They had thermometers in 1016?
No they backwards extrapolated just like they have tried to forward extrapolate. It's all made up bullshit.
Scientists and weathermen can't even tell you for sure what the weather is going to do next week but they want you to believe they know what it will be doing 20 years from now???
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/mar/07/past-climate-temperature-proxies
And for fuck's sake
FOR THE 100TH TIME CLIMATE ≠WEATHER
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I'll go to he middle of you both here. I think it's inconclusive. And when you aren't sure, you play it safe. Would be a shame to try and shut down any industry with any kind of byproduct and then come back 60 years later and go "oh shit, we messed up. We thought we knew. But we didn't."
Not saying to abandon coal or any other source of energy we are currently using.
Five times now.
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/mar/07/past-climate-temperature-proxies
And for fuck's sake
FOR THE 100TH TIME CLIMATE ≠WEATHER
This from the article:
"Before that time not many thermometer records are available, so scientists use indirect temperature measurements, supported by anecdotal evidence recorded by diarists, and the few thermometer records that do exist. Scientists must rely solely on indirect methods to look back further than recorded human history."
Dear Diary. Today, it was hot as balls. I don't recall it being this damn hot last year. Anyway, the invasion of Srivijaya is going well. Mom's care package arrived today. Very glad to get those "socks".
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Where to begin with this?
First of all, YOU brought up the hockey stick theory by falsely stating that it has flattened. Do you even know what it is you were referring to?
(http://14o98e2qnerm1mh77c2ehsz882z.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/The-hockey-stick-temp-curve.png)
The "curve" of the hockey stick begins right around 1900. When do you think the Industrial Revolution took place? Where is the rise of overall temperature prior to the Industrial Revolution? What the fuck are you talking about? Or you still can't wrap your head around the fact that fluctuations occur in overall trends? You can't understand why there are spikes in the graph, and still understand that there WAS a linear trend until the turn of the century, when the TREND spiked upward? Again, if that was a measurement of someone's weight in pounds over the course of, say a decade, I'm sure you'd understand that that the peaks are going to happen and have nothing to do with the overall trend, and you would realize that at the end of that graph, the TREND upward in pounds would be alarming. But because you put a mental block on ANY possibility of the reality of climate change, you're choosing to be obtuse here.
Secondly, there are other things that emit carbon dioxide and methane, yes. Other factors contribute to the "hockey stick", including population booms. They are all relatively a problem. Coal consumption happens to be one of the bigger ones.
They didn't.
They didn't.
The term changed to "climate change" as an attempt to explain to people who can't wrap their heads anything more complex than this retarded argument.
The overall warming contributes to changes in ocean currents, which causes those fluctuations you're perplexed by. Which means colder winters, warmer summers, and overall less predictability in the weather (which is not the same as the climate). I've linked to videos and articles that explain this in layman's terms, but you guys want to soak in your own ignorance and continue to make this stupid argument, thinking you're "getting one over" on those of us who understand it. If you would actually take your blinders off and attempt to understand what is happening, you would realize how ridiculous your argument actually is. I could link to more articles and videos again, but it will be a waste of all of our time.
Four times now I've had to say I'm not advocating "changing your way of life". I'm not saying cut out coal. I'm saying look into other options and advance technologically. Why is that such a bad thing? If we listened to you in the 1800s, we'd still be treating headaches with bloodletting.
The "hockey stick" you pretended to know about is a model developed in 1999. More than 5 years ago. More than 10 years ago. Nearly 20 years ago.
Here are hundreds more from at least 20 years ago that link CO2 to climate change.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=climate+change+model+c02&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C19&as_yhi=1996&as_vis=1
Heaven forbid you google and learn something.
I'm done with this topic. We've been around this same block. You're wrong. You're factually, inexplicably, scientifically wrong. This thread is about Trump. Bring it back up in one of the "global warming is a hoax!!1" threads you already started if you want to discuss further.
Blippity bleep bloop gorgle gluarg gleep. Yippity yoo yah.
Utter nonsense. A 100 year sample is worthless. A thousand year sample would mean little. It's like asking three people if they like turnip greens and then publishing a paper stating that turnip greens are the world's favorite food. Science!!
Or like taking temperature samples at 6 am, 7 am and 9 am and declaring conclusively that unless we do something drastic the earth will be completely scorched in a matter of hours. Nevermind that it's going to go down again. You either don't know that of dismiss that because it doesn't fit your falling skies narrative. SCIENCE!!!
You are in the wrong here. You've fallen for the lie. I hope I live long enough to say I told you so. But I eat eggs so either I will live a long life or they will kill me quickly. Depends on the day.
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Not saying to abandon coal or any other source of energy we are currently using.
Five times now.
Ah. But bitchery Clinton says she's shutting the coal mines down and putting miners out of work.
Trump supports the miners and coal energy.
Therefore by the transitive property of support you are a Trumpist.
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Not saying to abandon coal or any other source of energy we are currently using.
Five times now.
But Hillary is. Barry is. Bernie is. They want it gone. And I think that's bad. Throw all them (energy sources) out there and let demand dictate it. The market will find the one with the most advantageous best/safest ratio trade off. Just like with anything else consumers buy in quantity. Cars, foods, cleaners, Etc.
That's all I'm saying. These politicians are getting lobbied hard to have these stances such as shutting down an entire industry overnight. THAT is not about Mother Earth, it's just politics. And it's dangerous.
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This from the article:
"Before that time not many thermometer records are available, so scientists use indirect temperature measurements, supported by anecdotal evidence recorded by diarists, and the few thermometer records that do exist. Scientists must rely solely on indirect methods to look back further than recorded human history."
Dear Diary. Today, it was hot as balls. I don't recall it being this damn hot last year. Anyway, the invasion of Srivijaya is going well. Mom's care package arrived today. Very glad to get those "socks".
I took a diarist once. Was glued to the commode unloading watery clintons for nearly two days.
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Ah. But bitchery Clinton says she's shutting the coal mines down and putting miners out of work.
Trump supports the miners and coal energy.
Therefore by the transitive property of support you are a Trumpist.
But Hillary is. Barry is. Bernie is. They want it gone. And I think that's bad. Throw all them (energy sources) out there and let demand dictate it. The market will find the one with the most advantageous best/safest ratio trade off. Just like with anything else consumers buy in quantity. Cars, foods, cleaners, Etc.
That's all I'm saying. These politicians are getting lobbied hard to have these stances such as shutting down an entire industry overnight. THAT is not about Mother Earth, it's just politics. And it's dangerous.
Ok. I'm still not. It is irrelevant to the argument I'm making. Taking that stance is not "middle ground" between what I'm saying and anything else, because IT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
And here's the thing: Apparently, some of you are taking the ostrich defense plan and saying that if you pretend a thing is not real then everyone will just ignore it and move on, when in reality, what you have both just stated is evidence to the contrary. I know, evidence, right? Who needs it!
If you (and Trump and the GOP and whoever) can't say "Yes, man made climate change is real, and here's what I propose we do about it", and then explain your moderate conservative approach to MODERATELY move to other fuel sources, including the aforementioned fracking and nuclear energy liberals hate, you are essentially just giving them justified reason to ignore your input altogether.
Dems: "The earth is round, so I propose going west would be the quickest route to Japan from here."
GOP: "SCIENCE DON'T KNOW SHIT! EARTH'S FLAT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO! FUCK SCIENCE!"
Dems: "Ok, idiot. You stay here, I'm going to Japan.
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:facepalm:
Ok. I'm still not. It is irrelevant to the argument I'm making. Taking that stance is not "middle ground" between what I'm saying and anything else, because IT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
And here's the thing: Apparently, some of you are taking the ostrich defense plan and saying that if you pretend a thing is not real then everyone will just ignore it and move on, when in reality, what you have both just stated is evidence to the contrary. I know, evidence, right? Who needs it!
If you (and Trump and the GOP and whoever) can't say "Yes, man made climate change is real, and here's what I propose we do about it", and then explain your moderate conservative approach to MODERATELY move to other fuel sources, including the aforementioned fracking and nuclear energy liberals hate, you are essentially just giving them justified reason to ignore your input altogether.
Dems: "The earth is round, so I propose going west would be the quickest route to Japan from here."
GOP: "SCIENCE DON'T KNOW SHIT! EARTH'S FLAT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO! FUCK SCIENCE!"
Dems: "Ok, idiot. You stay here, I'm going to Japan.
:facepalm:
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Obama is going to Hiroshima. He'll probably apologize.
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Ok. I'm still not. It is irrelevant to the argument I'm making. Taking that stance is not "middle ground" between what I'm saying and anything else, because IT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
And here's the thing: Apparently, some of you are taking the ostrich defense plan and saying that if you pretend a thing is not real then everyone will just ignore it and move on, when in reality, what you have both just stated is evidence to the contrary. I know, evidence, right? Who needs it!
If you (and Trump and the GOP and whoever) can't say "Yes, man made climate change is real, and here's what I propose we do about it", and then explain your moderate conservative approach to MODERATELY move to other fuel sources, including the aforementioned fracking and nuclear energy liberals hate, you are essentially just giving them justified reason to ignore your input altogether.
Dems: "The earth is round, so I propose going west would be the quickest route to Japan from here."
GOP: "SCIENCE DON'T KNOW SHIT! EARTH'S FLAT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO! FUCK SCIENCE!"
Dems: "Ok, idiot. You stay here, I'm going to Japan.
You know I'm not a trump fan but I think in the case of West Virginia hes simply telling them he's not going to shut it down. Which is why they like it. And he's stressing that his opponents are the opposite which they technically are. To me its simply drawing a stark contrast in a general election. I think the original argument started with trumps speeches to the coal folks.
Im not doing the ostrich approach by any means. That would be ignoring it all without a wide variety of choices and research. Ie, Look at how many hybrids there are on the road now compared to 10 years ago via the free market. I like that.
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Obama is going to Hiroshima. He'll probably apologize.
And order the crew of the Enola gay to be tried for 'Crimes against humanity" (and cause they were white)
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Wait a cotton picking minute. Are we arguing about Trump or
Global Warming climate disruption climate change?
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So you are saying the since we dumped R12 for R134A and R22 for R410A, that we saved the ozone?
And that it is a scientific fact?
Yes. I just explained how we know this and how the problem ceased when we switched. I'm sorry you didn't understand.
There are millions of homes still using r22 and still being serviced with r22. There are still a LOT of cars running with R12. And R12 still exists.
I think the most important aspect of the change to HFCs is the implementation of recovery procedures for these gasses instead of just venting to the atmosphere.
But if all of this is true and we repaired the ozone layer, wouldn't that be a reason for Antarctic warming and not "global warming"!
Or I guess we could say global warming IS man made since we cut the use of CFCs and close the hole in the ozone.
Dammit man, we are killing ourselves!
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Ok. I'm still not. It is irrelevant to the argument I'm making. Taking that stance is not "middle ground" between what I'm saying and anything else, because IT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
And here's the thing: Apparently, some of you are taking the ostrich defense plan and saying that if you pretend a thing is not real then everyone will just ignore it and move on, when in reality, what you have both just stated is evidence to the contrary. I know, evidence, right? Who needs it!
If you (and Trump and the GOP and whoever) can't say "Yes, man made climate change is real, and here's what I propose we do about it", and then explain your moderate conservative approach to MODERATELY move to other fuel sources, including the aforementioned fracking and nuclear energy liberals hate, you are essentially just giving them justified reason to ignore your input altogether.
Dems: "The earth is round, so I propose going west would be the quickest route to Japan from here."
GOP: "SCIENCE DON'T KNOW SHIT! EARTH'S FLAT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO! FUCK SCIENCE!"
Dems: "Ok, idiot. You stay here, I'm going to Japan.
And you continue to operate under the ridiculous assumption that global warming change is real.
Dims: oh shit!! Al gore!! A journal!! It's hot. The sky is falling. No more coal or gas for peasants!!
Sane world: wait just a fucking minute you fucking loon.
Rims: Ayyyyyheeee!! Oooooaaaahhhh!! Green energy, no coal! Windmills and shit!
Sane world: The fuck is your problem. Slow your roll. Most of what you're saying is speculation based on a flawed sample. Let's take a measured approach.
Dims: ohohohohogogogogogoh. Sky is falling. Oh shit. Government control! Government control!
Sane world. Oh, fuck you. Eat a dick.
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You know I'm not a trump fan but I think in the case of West Virginia hes simply telling them he's not going to shut it down. Which is why they like it. And he's stressing that his opponents are the opposite which they technically are. To me its simply drawing a stark contrast in a general election. I think the original argument started with trumps speeches to the coal folks.
By expressing his ignorance. That was what started all this.
He was saying "Not only am I ignorant that CO2 from coal is causing climate change, I'm still hung up on shit we solved 30 years ago".
Yeah, he's pandering, and yeah they all do it. But pandering about what an idiot you are is not a virtue.
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No they backwards extrapolated just like they have tried to forward extrapolate. It's all made up bullshit.
For a minute there, I thought you were referring to bama's 15,000 mythical national championships.
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By expressing his ignorance. That was what started all this.
He was saying "Not only am I ignorant that CO2 from coal is causing climate change, I'm still hung up on shit we solved 30 years ago".
Yeah, he's pandering, and yeah they all do it. But pandering about what an idiot you are is not a virtue.
Who the fuck says CO2 is "causing climate change"?
You? Some bloggers? Self-serving science fucks? The guys who used to stick leeches on people? Those "scientists" who thought witches wouldn't drown?
Science. Fuck all. The entire profession is nothing but a series of guesses that are then retro fit to circumstances.
CO2 causes global whizfuck ever. Yeah, right.
Demanding that Trump acquiesce to your Chicken Little "science"'is elitist sorcery.
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Good heavens Ms. Sakamoto - you're beautiful.
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What else floats in water?
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What else floats in water?
Baby Ruth?
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Who the fuck says CO2 is "causing climate change"?
You? Some bloggers? Self-serving science fucks? The guys who used to stick leeches on people? Those "scientists" who thought witches wouldn't drown?
Science. Fuck all. The entire profession is nothing but a series of guesses that are then retro fit to circumstances.
CO2 causes global whizfuck ever. Yeah, right.
Demanding that Trump acquiesce to your Chicken Little "science"'is elitist sorcery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvmvxAcT_Yc
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What else floats in water?
Baby Ruth?
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What else floats in water?
Bread, apples, very small rocks .....
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Before chizad rushes here with this let me get out in front of it. Stunning animation shows drastic effect of global warming!!!! Oh noes!!!! Oh shits!!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2016/05/10/climate-spiral-rising-global-temperatures/84185746/
It's based on 166 years worth of data. One hundred and sixty six. Out of billions. Fuck. Add two zeroes and it's not s statistically relevant sample. The fucking hubris of these "scientists" who seriously think they can distill eons of cyclical climate patterns into a 166 year window.
Laughable.
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By expressing his ignorance. That was what started all this.
He was saying "Not only am I ignorant that CO2 from coal is causing climate change, I'm still hung up on shit we solved 30 years ago".
Yeah, he's pandering, and yeah they all do it. But pandering about what an idiot you are is not a virtue.
And as of this morning, so far - it's working for him in those states that have miners. Wv, penn and Ohio per the latest poll released today. I was a little shocked to be honest. And it happened quickly. Quinnipiac is usually pretty reputable too.
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Hitlary loses another to the shriveled, old man.
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Obama is going to Hiroshima. He'll probably apologize.
I had that same thought when I saw the blurb yesterday about him going. My next thought was what should someone say when the inevitable question regarding the bombing comes up and our responsibility for it?
I understand that there has to be some tact when dealing with any issue like this but the jist of the retort should be "you started it , we finished it". "Sorry your shit has been glowing for 70 years but doing stupid shit has to hurt."
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Hitlary loses another to the shriveled, old man.
Although he against coal too, she is much more forward and brash about it. It is costing her with both Bernie and the Don already in those states.
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I had that same thought when I saw the blurb yesterday about him going. My next thought was what should someone say when the inevitable question regarding the bombing comes up and our responsibility for it?
I understand that there has to be some tact when dealing with any issue like this but the jist of the retort should be "you started it , we finished it". "Sorry your shit has been glowing for 70 years but doing stupid shit has to hurt."
But while he is there could ask about this?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/730493295550468096
Goofy Elizabeth Warren lied when she says I want to abolish the Federal Minimum Wage. See media—asking for increase!
Yet again, he was against it (a few months ago) before he was for it (as soon as Cruz dropped out).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z1ZdkDRQuM
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/730493295550468096
Yet again, he was against it (a few months ago) before he was for it (as soon as Cruz dropped out).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z1ZdkDRQuM
Has anyone asked him why? I'm just curious.
Also curious about the context of his proposal on it. Is it simply to get it up to par after several years of inflation/cost of living increases? Did he find a new reason why unbeknownst to him before? Or is he simply flip flopping?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/730493295550468096
Yet again, he was against it (a few months ago) before he was for it (as soon as Cruz dropped out).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z1ZdkDRQuM
Lalalala
I don't care!
BTW, rumor is Rudy G is going to be put in charge of immigration.
That works for me and only strengthens my resolve. I'm getting me a Trump shirt today.
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Has anyone asked him why? I'm just curious.
Also curious about the context of his proposal on it. Is it simply to get it up to par after several years of inflation/cost of living increases? Did he find a new reason why unbeknownst to him before? Or is he simply flip flopping?
Because he doesn't know shit about shit, except what his handlers tell him.
While there was GOP competition, his handlers told him to be against a minimum wage hike.
When he secured the nomination, his handlers allowed him to move back to the left again.
And he doesn't have to worry about losing support on the right because:
Lalalala
I don't care!
BTW, rumor is Rudy G is going to be put in charge of immigration.
That works for me and only strengthens my resolve. I'm getting me a Trump shirt today.
You don't have to be a political science scholar to see this obvious scam he's running on you people...
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Because he doesn't know shit about shit, except what his handlers tell him.
While there was GOP competition, his handlers told him to be against a minimum wage hike.
When he secured the nomination, his handlers allowed him to move back to the left again.
And he doesn't have to worry about losing support on the right because:
You don't have to be a political science scholar to see this obvious scam he's running on you people...
These are not the Droids you are looking for.
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Because he doesn't know shit about shit, except what his handlers tell him.
While there was GOP competition, his handlers told him to be against a minimum wage hike.
When he secured the nomination, his handlers allowed him to move back to the left again.
And he doesn't have to worry about losing support on the right because:
You don't have to be a political science scholar to see this obvious scam he's running on you people...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2B0a2Gbp0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2B0a2Gbp0)
Good interview.
At 8:20 something he starts talking about taxes and then about minimum wage. He is pretty much inline with what I think.
Chuck does a good job addressing Trump's contradictions and Trump does a good job answering him.
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Here's another one just in the week since he secured the nomination, in addition to the aforementioned flip flop on raising the minimum wage and "restructuring" his tax proposal.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-05122016-donald-trump-calls-his-proposed-muslim-ban-just-a-1463060065-htmlstory.html
Donald Trump calls his proposed Muslim ban just a 'suggestion'
Donald Trump stepped back Wednesday from his proposal of a ban on Muslims from entering the United States by calling the idea only a “suggestion.â€
In an interview with Fox News, he responded to new London Mayor Sadiq Khan’s calling his views on Islam “ignorant.â€
“We have a serious problem,†Trump said in reference to radical Islamic terrorism. “It’s a temporary ban, it hasn’t been called for yet, nobody’s done it, this is just a suggestion until we find out what’s going on.â€
On Monday, Trump offered to exempt the first Muslim mayor of London from a potential ban, which Khan rejected . Trump later criticized Khan for what he called a denial of terrorism.
His signature issue that garnered most of his support was "just a suggestion".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2B0a2Gbp0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2B0a2Gbp0)
Good interview.
At 8:20 something he starts talking about taxes and then about minimum wage. He is pretty much inline with what I think.
Chuck does a good job addressing Trump's contradictions and Trump does a good job answering him.
Todd did a good job of asking some things we all we want to know. Again, not taking sides but just some contradictory things that probably need to be answered. And they had a good exchange in that video.
But the last part about the tax returns and the audit? Total bullshit and he knows it.
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Here's another one just in the week since he secured the nomination, in addition to the aforementioned flip flop on raising the minimum wage and "restructuring" his tax proposal.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-05122016-donald-trump-calls-his-proposed-muslim-ban-just-a-1463060065-htmlstory.htmlHis signature issue that garnered most of his support was "just a suggestion".
Aren't they all suggestions and proposals until and if they are approved?
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Does anyone know what the record on here for most dumb questions in a week is?
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Unfortunately, every time I think of a Trump Presidency, this scene comes to mind:
https://youtu.be/NzbhbetwYFU
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Because he doesn't know shit about shit, except what his handlers tell him.
While there was GOP competition, his handlers told him to be against a minimum wage hike.
When he secured the nomination, his handlers allowed him to move back to the left again.
And he doesn't have to worry about losing support on the right because:
You don't have to be a political science scholar to see this obvious scam he's running on you people...
I think you should Twitter battle him.
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Here's another one just in the week since he secured the nomination, in addition to the aforementioned flip flop on raising the minimum wage and "restructuring" his tax proposal.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-05122016-donald-trump-calls-his-proposed-muslim-ban-just-a-1463060065-htmlstory.htmlHis signature issue that garnered most of his support was "just a suggestion".
Of course its a goddam suggestion. He's not Obama. He's not going to run around issuing executive orders. He's going to suggest that we do this.
All your bullsiht about "flip flopping"'is just bullshit. He's saying the same things but he's toned back the cartoonish aspects of it.
You are blinded by hate. There is nothing you can post at this point to change my mind.
Hillary told more lies today than trump did in his entire life. The whole email thing is fucking criminal. I think she should be charged with treason for some of the shit she did as secretary.
And Bernie is a lunatic.
TRUMP!!!
You can't spell Triumph without it.
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All I wanna know is whether or not billary is going to prison???
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Of course its a goddam suggestion. He's not Obama. He's not going to run around issuing executive orders. He's going to suggest that we do this.
All your bullsiht about "flip flopping"'is just bullshit. He's saying the same things but he's toned back the cartoonish aspects of it.
You are blinded by hate. There is nothing you can post at this point to change my mind.
Hillary told more lies today than trump did in his entire life. The whole email thing is fucking criminal. I think she should be charged with treason for some of the shit she did as secretary.
And Bernie is a lunatic.
TRUMP!!!
You can't spell Triumph without it.
I think he uses them as starting points or a negotiating basis because of his background. Kind of like seeing an item for 10 bucks at a yard sale. You really wanna give 7 so you ask 5 knowing the other party will prob come back at you with 7. Something along those lines. Just my .02.
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All I wanna know is whether or not billary is going to prison???
The answer to you searching for is "no".
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You people are voting for a certifiably crazy person...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
Donald Trump masqueraded as publicist to brag about himself
In 1991 interview, Trump spokesman sounds a lot like Trump
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In a 1991 recording obtained by The Washington Post’s Marc Fisher, a man who claims to be a spokesman for Donald Trump named John Miller tells a People magazine reporter about Trump’s first divorce, his romance with France’s future first lady and his messy breakup with Marla Maples. (Sarah Parnass/The Washington Post)
By Marc Fisher and Will Hobson May 13 at 8:08 AM
The voice is instantly familiar; the tone, confident, even cocky; the cadence, distinctly Trumpian. The man on the phone vigorously defending Donald Trump says he’s a media spokesman named John Miller, but then he says, “I’m sort of new here,†and “I’m somebody that he knows and I think somebody that he trusts and likes†and even “I’m going to do this a little, part-time, and then, yeah, go on with my life.â€
A recording obtained by The Washington Post captures what New York reporters and editors who covered Trump’s early career experienced in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s: calls from Trump’s Manhattan office that resulted in conversations with “John Miller†or “John Barron†— public-relations men who sound precisely like Trump himself — who indeed are Trump, masquerading as an unusually helpful and boastful advocate for himself, according to the journalists and several of Trump’s top aides.
In 1991, Sue Carswell, a reporter at People magazine, called Trump’s office seeking an interview with the developer. She had just been assigned to cover the soap opera surrounding the end of Trump’s 12-year marriage to Ivana, his budding relationship with the model Marla Maples and his rumored affairs with any number of celebrities who regularly appeared on the gossip pages of the New York newspapers.
Within five minutes, Carswell got a return call from Trump’s publicist, a man named John Miller, who immediately jumped into a startlingly frank and detailed explanation of why Trump dumped Maples for the Italian model Carla Bruni. “He really didn’t want to make a commitment,†Miller said. “He’s coming out of a marriage, and he’s starting to do tremendously well financially.â€
Miller turned out to be a remarkably forthcoming source — a spokesman with rare insight into the private thoughts and feelings of his client. “Have you met him?†Miller asked the reporter. “He’s a good guy, and he’s not going to hurt anybody. . . . He treated his wife well and . . . he will treat Marla well.â€
Some reporters found the calls from Miller or Barron disturbing or even creepy; others thought they were just examples of Trump being playful. Today, as the presumptive Republican nominee for president faces questions about his attitudes toward women, what stands out to some who received those calls is Trump’s characterization of women who he portrayed as drawn to him sexually.
“Actresses,†Miller said in the call to Carswell, “just call to see if they can go out with him and things.†Madonna “wanted to go out with him.†And Trump’s alter ego boasted that in addition to living with Maples, Trump had “three other girlfriends.â€
Miller was consistent about referring to Trump as “he,†but at one point, when asked how important Bruni was in Trump’s busy love life, the spokesman said, “I think it’s somebody that — you know, she’s beautiful. I saw her once, quickly, and beautiful . . . †and then he quickly pivoted back into talking about Trump — then a 44-year-old father of three — in the third person.
In 1990, Trump testified in a court case that “I believe on occasion I used that name.†He did not respond to a request for comment for this article.
In a phone call to NBC’s “Today†program Friday morning, Trump denied that he was John Miller. “No, I don’t think it — I don’t know anything about it. You’re telling me about it for the first time and it doesn’t sound like my voice at all,†he said. “I have many, many people that are trying to imitate my voice and then you can imagine that, and this sounds like one of the scams, one of the many scams — doesn’t sound like me.†Later, he was more definitive: “It was not me on the phone. And it doesn’t sound like me on the phone, I will tell you that, and it was not me on the phone. And when was this? Twenty-five years ago?â€
Trump has never been terribly adamant about denying that he often made calls to reporters posing as someone else. From his earliest years in business, he occasionally called reporters using the name “John Barron.â€
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You people are voting for a certifiably crazy person...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
Yes.
Because clowning in 1991 -- 25 years ago -- is so much worse than treason.
The more I see the more sure I am that Trump is the answer.
Keep on proving it to me. Or not.
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just to keep this thread straight, TRUMP is not the frontrunner any longer.
TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT (GOP nominee)!
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just to keep this thread straight, TRUMP is not the frontrunner any longer.
TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT (GOP nominee)!
Can't spell triumph without t.
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Hitler comparisons are way off base...
From the one consistently pro-Trump news source:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/
Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew
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Hitler comparisons are way off base...
From the one consistently pro-Trump news source:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/
This might have some sway with me, IF I trusted Kristol any more than I do Trump. But, I don't. He's an operative and a pretender.
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Hitler comparisons are way off base...
From the one consistently pro-Trump news source:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/
Because an snobby member of the ruling elite is trying to figure out a way to deny Trump regardless the political cost you've finally swayed me, Chizad.
Oh puuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhLEEEEASE. This guy and people like him just make me more determined to vote for Trump.
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Because an snobby member of the ruling elite is trying to figure out a way to deny Trump regardless the political cost you've finally swayed me, Chizad.
Oh puuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhLEEEEASE. This guy and people like him just make me more determined to vote for Trump.
Also, he's a filthy kike, amirite?
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Also, he's a filthy kike, amirite?
I don't care what he does in the fields when it's windy.
If you can't see that this guy is worse than Trump and the very reason Trump is going to win? Can't help you there.
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Also, he's a filthy kike, amirite?
Ehhh Kristol is the epitome of the establishment. Anyone else saying it may be credible. His dad Irvin and George Romney practically invented the RINO establishment with Nelson Rockefeller. Just don't expect too many to go along with Bill on this one.
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Ehhh Kristol is the epitome of the establishment. Anyone else saying it may be credible. His dad Irvin and George Romney practically invented the RINO establishment with Nelson Rockefeller. Just don't expect too many to go along with Bill on this one.
First of all, in a conservative principles pissing match, Kristol laps Trump 1,000 times.
Secondly, this is all entirely beside the point. No one here has a problem with Breitbart calling him a "Renegade Jew" to rile up the neo-Nazi Trump base? Shocking.
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First of all, in a conservative principles pissing match, Kristol laps Trump 1,000 times.
Secondly, this is all entirely beside the point. No one here has a problem with Breitbart calling him a "Renegade Jew" to rile up the neo-Nazi Trump base? Shocking.
Didn't notice. Didn't much care. Tired of the protected classes.
Extends to islamos, the mexicanos, the blacks, the lesbo/homo/dunnos, the jews, and what all else.
I read the article and it offended me that a small group of elites wishes to substitute their will for the will of the people.
I bought a Trump hat immediately after reading that.
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First of all, in a conservative principles pissing match, Kristol laps Trump 1,000 times.
Secondly, this is all entirely beside the point. No one here has a problem with Breitbart calling him a "Renegade Jew" to rile up the neo-Nazi Trump base? Shocking.
It's the point about someone who has been THE problem lecturing people about them being a problem. There is nothing conservative about Bill Kristol and his ilk. At. All. He and his dad have been the patriarchs of the ruling GOP class the last 50 years. They essentially ARE the problem. And indirectly they are why Trump happened. He should look in the mirror if he's upset about any kind of insurgent candidate he doesn't like. That's all I'm saying. The Kristols and Romneys of the GOP are the reason the Trumps of the GOP happen. So he has no slack to do any whining at this point.
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Shocking.
What would be even more shocking is if you were to hook up some jumper cables and stick both of the other ends up into your pussy.
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It's the point about someone who has been THE problem lecturing people about them being a problem. There is nothing conservative about Bill Kristol and his ilk. At. All. He and his dad have been the patriarchs of the ruling GOP class the last 50 years. They essentially ARE the problem. And indirectly they are why Trump happened. He should look in the mirror if he's upset about any kind of insurgent candidate he doesn't like. That's all I'm saying. The Kristols and Romneys of the GOP are the reason the Trumps of the GOP happen. So he has no slack to do any whining at this point.
Renegade. Jew. In the headline. That was my point.
But to engage your strawman, your argument is devoid of logic and sense. What is so despicably un-conservative about Kristol? Name one thing. He and Romneys have been solidly and consistently part of the Republican party. And that's bad now? That's the argument from the people telling me "Vote for the GOP candidate no matter what clown they run for president"? I seriously fail to see the logic.
Trump is a powerful drug.
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Renegade. Jew. In the headline. That was my point.
But to engage your strawman, your argument is devoid of logic and sense. What is so despicably un-conservative about Kristol? Name one thing. He and Romneys have been solidly and consistently part of the Republican party. And that's bad now? That's the argument from the people telling me "Vote for the GOP candidate no matter what clown they run for president"? I seriously fail to see the logic.
Trump is a powerful drug.
The way I read it was GH was just saying that Kristol along with the vast majority of the GOP have themselves to blame for this thing named trump. Personally I agree that they have caused what is happening now by having shitty candidates and aligning themselves with just this side of whackos from the extreme right.
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The way I read it was GH was just saying that Kristol along with the vast majority of the GOP have themselves to blame for this thing named trump. Personally I agree that they have caused what is happening now by having shitty candidates and aligning themselves with just this side of whackos from the extreme right.
You complete me.
There is no straw man here. I've been following this stuff a long long time. And Kristol has been in this stuff almost since birth. He is no new figure. The establishment is a huge issue in both parties. And they are almost completely to blame for both Bernie and Trump being as big as they are. People are absolutely fed up with the bullshit ruling elite on both sides. They are sick of this establishment taking advantage of their vote with nothing really ever changing. They have seen through the fact that the establishment knows how to say certain buzzwords in an election and get their vote.
The only thing that results from every president aside from Kennedy (his personal issues aside) and Reagan, is the same bullshit promises and the same end result of the country getting sold down the toilet. If Bill Kristol really wanted to blame someone he should look squarely at himself, Karl Rove, The Bushes, The Romneys and other establishment goons that have done jack shit for the people whose vote they have taken advantage of and taken for granted for the past 40 or so years.
Again this is not an endorsement or condemnation of Trump or Bernie. Just an observation of what has happened.
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You complete me.
There is no straw man here. I've been following this stuff a long long time. And Kristol has been in this stuff almost since birth. He is no new figure. The establishment is a huge issue in both parties. And they are almost completely to blame for both Bernie and Trump being as big as they are. People are absolutely fed up with the bullshit ruling elite on both sides. They are sick of this establishment taking advantage of their vote with nothing really ever changing. They have seen through the fact that the establishment knows how to say certain buzzwords in an election and get their vote.
The only thing that results from every president aside from Kennedy (his personal issues aside) and Reagan, is the same bullshit promises and the same end result of the country getting sold down the toilet. If Bill Kristol really wanted to blame someone he should look squarely at himself, Karl Rove, The Bushes, The Romneys and other establishment goons that have done jack shit for the people whose vote they have taken advantage of and taken for granted for the past 40 or so years.
Again this is not an endorsement or condemnation of Trump or Bernie. Just an observation of what has happened.
^^^Knows his neocon history. And Bill's daddy was known as the father of the movement.
Now, I can't say that I disagree with everything Kristol stands for but this is what gets us a Trump. Who put us into Iraq? The neocons. Argue about whether it was right or wrong all you want but that's a fact, Jack. They got us there to fight Israel's war.
My problem with the neocon movement is that they want to pick and choose the ideas and philosophies that they want off of the left side of politics and bring those with them to the right. The movement has one underlying central idea and theme and that is to protect Israel. It has little to do with conservativism in the U.S. That's just a means to an end. And it was really smart.
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You complete me.
There is no straw man here. I've been following this stuff a long long time. And Kristol has been in this stuff almost since birth. He is no new figure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
It's a strawman argument because it's not what I was (originally, at least) arguing, and yet you've volleyed it up as if it was and attacked that, in order to take the focus off of my original point, which is that Trump's propaganda arm Breitbart News is riling up Trump's neo-Nazi base by scare headlines of "renegade Jews" undermining his campaign. Anyway...now that you've drug me into this entirely other argument...
The establishment is a huge issue in both parties. And they are almost completely to blame for both Bernie and Trump being as big as they are. People are absolutely fed up with the bullshit ruling elite on both sides. They are sick of this establishment taking advantage of their vote with nothing really ever changing.
The only thing that results from every president aside from Kennedy (his personal issues aside) and Reagan, is the same bullshit promises and the same end result of the country getting sold down the toilet. If Bill Kristol really wanted to blame someone he should look squarely at himself, Karl Rove, The Bushes, The Romneys and other establishment goons that have done jack shit for the people whose vote they have taken advantage of and taken for granted for the past 40 or so years.
Again, what specifically have they done that is so despicable? I don't operate in Trumpian vagaries about the boogeyman "establishment".
How did the Bushes and the Romneys and Karl Rove betray their base specifically? By NOT catering to neo-Nazis? Or by standing for the litany of conservative principles, list ad-nauseum in this thread, that Trump decidedly DOES NOT support, or in the very least only momentarily pretends to support while running for the GOP nomination?
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^^^Knows his neocon history. And Bill's daddy was known as the father of the movement.
Now, I can't say that I disagree with everything Kristol stands for but this is what gets us a Trump. Who put us into Iraq? The neocons. Argue about whether it was right or wrong all you want but that's a fact, Jack. They got us there to fight Israel's war.
My problem with the neocon movement is that they want to pick and choose the ideas and philosophies that they want off of the left side of politics and bring those with them to the right. The movement has one underlying central idea and theme and that is to protect Israel. It has little to do with conservativism in the U.S. That's just a means to an end. And it was really smart.
Yes, and "bomb the shit out of Iraq", "kill their families", and "do much worse than waterboarding" is a complete 180 from those warmongering neocons...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
It's a strawman argument because it's not what I was (originally, at least) arguing, and yet you've volleyed it up as if it was and attacked that, in order to take the focus off of my original point, which is that Trump's propaganda arm Breitbart News is riling up Trump's neo-Nazi base by scare headlines of "renegade Jews" undermining his campaign. Anyway...now that you've drug me into this entirely other argument...
Again, what specifically have they done that is so despicable? I don't operate in Trumpian vagaries about the boogeyman "establishment".
How did the Bushes and the Romneys and Karl Rove betray their base specifically? By NOT catering to neo-Nazis? Or by standing for the litany of conservative principles, list ad-nauseum in this thread, that Trump decidedly DOES NOT support, or in the very least only momentarily pretends to support while running for the GOP nomination?
1st part. Bill Kristol is a big part of that article. That's why. And a big part of this overall problem.
2nd part. Because the neocons, establishment, ruling elites, whatever you want to call them - have been at the core of most of the worst policy decisions the last half century. They are wolves in sheep clothing. The left has them too. They know how to microtarget voters and use demographics. They simply want votes. They want power. They'll talk about guns and momma and Jesus and anything else they need to in order to get that vote. The ones on the right are just as big govt as the ones on the left. They believe in racking up debt, intrusion into people's lives, higher taxes, endless wars, global economic coalitions, unstable monetary policy, expanding govt, expanding entitlements, open borders. Most of them are no better than the left. What did W do about any of that better than Obama? 0
They are one worlders and globalists. They are elitists. They are authoritarians that don't give two shits about you or the constitution but want you to think they do. Problem now, is people have seen through a lot of it. Is Trump the answer or solution to it? Not at all. But the people's like for him is because of the aforementioned disdain for the goons that have been there for 50 years and done NOTHING but create turmoil and debt.
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Yes, and "bomb the shit out of Iraq", "kill their families", and "do much worse than waterboarding" is a complete 180 from those warmongering neocons...
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Wrong people give me the headache.
Wes and chizad give me the headache.
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Wrong people give me the headache.
Wes and chizad give me the headache.
Why did you switch threads to make this comment? Because you were proven demonstrably factually wrong in the other?
Are you ever not wrong about anything that can be factually proven one way or another? I've yet to see it.
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Why did you switch threads to make this comment? Because you were proven demonstrably factually wrong in the other?
Are you ever not wrong about anything that can be factually proven one way or another? I've yet to see it.
I'm right about it all. Almost always am. Nothing has been factually anyhoo'd.
You will see.
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https://youtu.be/iq-OUClcLF0
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Wrong people give me the headache.
Wes and chizad give me the headache.
Yeah, Wes & Chizad...you're suppose to vote for the one that wants to bring jobs back to America, while using China to produce his building materials and fabric. Geez, he's gonna make 'merica Great again.
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Yeah, Wes & Chizad...you're suppose to vote for the one that wants to bring jobs back to America, while using China to produce his building materials and fabric. Geez, he's gonna make 'merica Great again.
Quit plagerizing Clinton TV ads.
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Yeah, Wes & Chizad...you're suppose to vote for the one that wants to bring jobs back to America, while using China to produce his building materials and fabric. Geez, he's gonna make 'merica Great again.
It's called smart business. Nobody gets into business to break even! If you lived in the real world, you would know this!
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It's called smart business. Nobody gets into business to break even! If you lived in the real world, you would know this!
It's hard to argue with smart people. It's even harder to argue with idiots.
What do you say to "you're a poo poo face moron whoo hooooo"?
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What do you say to "you're a poo poo face moron whoo hooooo"?
Roll Tide?
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Roll Tide?
Yes I would like to super size my meal.
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Yes I would like to super size my meal.
Thin crust with Pepperoni.
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Thin crust with Pepperoni.
You'd still let someone who called you a poo poo face fix your pizza?
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You'd still let someone who called you a poo poo face fix your pizza?
Fix it? No! Deliver it? Of course.
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Fix it? No! Deliver it? Of course.
A lot of time from when that pizza leaves the store to you door. :puke:
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Fix it? No! Deliver it? Of course.
How else do you get Bama Fans off your doorstep?
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How else do you get Bama Fans off your doorstep?
Same way you get a Trump supporter off your doorstep. Shoot them in the face.
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Same way you get a Trump supporter off your doorstep. Shoot them in the face.
That's so awesome.......online.
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That's so awesome.......online.
BOOM mutha fucka!!!!
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BOOM mutha fucka!!!!
Don't be jealous that he's been chatting online with babes like, all day bro.
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https://youtu.be/iq-OUClcLF0
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Hmmm...okay. This better?
http://youtu.be/yb2NHTka-gw
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This is some of your "isolated incidents"/very inbred bammer like peers...Hillary better hope she doesn't have any Oak trees that she's fond of, it'd be a shame if someone poisons them. Right?
http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/22/trump-supporter-aims-gun-at-hillary-asks-donald-to-give-the-order-to-assassinate/
They love Trump
They love that he has a good brain
They love that he's a good jobs type of guy
They love that he knows words, great bigly words
They love that he talks in third person at times
They love that he sexually assaults women, then if they ever come forward he threatens to sue them
They love that he talks about his 1 year old daughter & 26 year old daughter in a sexual manner and he doesn't mind if others talk about them in the exact same (others like Howard Stern, who stated that he was shocked about how Trump says he treats women. Think about that, someone like him being shocked...that should tell ya what type of person Trump is).
They love that he's wants to cut the taxes from the 1%
They love that he's wants to build a wall, a wall that grew 100 feet taller because Mexico said they wouldn't pay for it.
They love that the tax payers are going to be ones to pay for the wall, then later reimbursed by Mexico...smh
They love that he wants to put all Muslims, entering the Country, into internment camps, so that they can be properly vetted (even though we already have a fairly stringent vetting process now, but whatever).
They love that he'll probably make them wear something to say that they're vetted, like maybe an arm cuff with a symbol on it, so they'll know they're safe. Then all of the Muslims that were here before...well, they've also got to be vetted in the internment camps, so that they to can wear the arm cuff too.
They love that Putin wants to "observe" the polling stations
They love that while Trump is screaming about rigged election if he doesn't win, his own VP is trying to rig the election in Indiana to keep around 50,000+ minority voters from being able to vote.
What I'm saying is, are you sure you want to cast your lot in with these type of people. Look, I know the Democrats, Libertarians and other 3rd party candidates have their fair share in ignorant, pieces of shit type fan base...but, just like with bama, Trump seems to have a bit more.
It's just something to think about. I was wondering do they sell the "Make America Great Again", "I'm A Deplorable", and the "Got 15" t-shirts at Walmart, on the same rack?
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All this whiny ass beta male bullshit and still, the only dead bodies are those piled up around the Clintons.
So it has yet to be proven that Trump supporrers will "do anything"!
Numbers are holding.
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All this whiny ass beta male bullshit and still, the only dead bodies are those piled up around the Clintons.
Until you bammers can prove anything, Cam is innocent and this witch hunt needs to stop, y'all just look like a bunch of little bitches.
I mean, nothing has been proven on the Clintons about these dead bodies that continue to pop up.
Now if Hillary was ever recorded as saying how she went about killing people because she could, because she's famous. Then yeah, gonna go ahead and say that she personally killed probably one or two of that large list. That's if I'm a intelligent human being. If I'm like a scary percentage of Trump supporters (ignorant morons), then I'd still say she was innocent and would explain it away as locker room talk.
https://www.google.com/amp/townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/10/23/new-abc-poll-has-trump-down-by-double-digits-n2236055%3famp=true?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
NUMBERS STILL HOLDING? GOOD
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Yep. numbers still good.
You take one outlier and run with it? Typical libtard. Most of the polls have a tie or within one or two points for each candidate. Rasmussen actually has Trump up by 2.
But go ahead and take one of the dim sellout's polls to heart.
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Yep. numbers still good.
You take one outlier and run with it? Typical libtard. Most of the polls have a tie or within one or two points for each candidate. Rasmussen actually has Trump up by 2.
But go ahead and take one of the dim sellout's polls to heart.
Except that Trump is now admitting himself that they are behind.
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Except that Trump is now admitting himself that they are behind.
Conway acknowledged that many of the polls had Clinton leading, but not by double digits. That was the great prowler quoting that one.
And that was Conway urging the base to get busy. I think most people look around the country and see how Trump fills arenas. They see when they talk privately to friends. They see the every day release of corrupt information on hitlary. They see this and wonder who the pollsters are calling.
And then you get the leftwing moonbats jumping on an outlier poll like its gospel. Neither candidate is running away with it at this time.
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Conway acknowledged that many of the polls had Clinton leading, but not by double digits. That was the great prowler quoting that one.
And that was Conway urging the base to get busy. I think most people look around the country and see how Trump fills arenas. They see when they talk privately to friends. They see the every day release of corrupt information on hitlary. They see this and wonder who the pollsters are calling.
And then you get the leftwing moonbats jumping on an outlier poll like its gospel. Neither candidate is running away with it at this time.
You are going to be in for a rude awakening on November 9. I bought in to the polling bias storyline in 2012 when the sampling showed that they were polling Democrats at a higher clip than Republicans. I convinced myself that if you removed the bias in polling samples that Romney would run away with the election. I believed Morris and Rove. I learned my lesson then and have generally watched the RCP polling average this cycle. The current RCP polling average has Clinton up by 6.
I don't like it any more than you do.
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You are going to be in for a rude awakening on November 9. I bought in to the polling bias storyline in 2012 when the sampling showed that they were polling Democrats at a higher clip than Republicans. I convinced myself that if you removed the bias in polling samples that Romney would run away with the election. I believed Morris and Rove. I learned my lesson then and have generally watched the RCP polling average this cycle. The current RCP polling average has Clinton up by 6.
I don't like it any more than you do.
I was looking at RCP when I posted. The ABC outlier skews the numbers pretty bad. A quick glance at most of the others give a general idea of a close race.
And the poll issues of today are even more enhanced than from 2012. Many people have given up their land lines. Pollsters are tied to land lines and have a hard time getting a good sampling. I too listened to the guys in 2012, and was surprised. But Romney did not bring out people to the polls. Trump has a lot of people energized. We will see how well that translates on election day.
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You are going to be in for a rude awakening on November 9. I bought in to the polling bias storyline in 2012 when the sampling showed that they were polling Democrats at a higher clip than Republicans. I convinced myself that if you removed the bias in polling samples that Romney would run away with the election. I believed Morris and Rove. I learned my lesson then and have generally watched the RCP polling average this cycle. The current RCP polling average has Clinton up by 6.
I don't like it any more than you do.
Rasmussen and Larry Sabato (Virginia center for politics) are the only two I trust. They have nailed every election the last 20 years. Whether it's a dem or gop, it is what is with them. They both had Obama winning handily in 12. Everyone else said Romney. Or at least Barry by a thin margin. Both of those guys nailed it. Right now they both have a close popular vote. With a very not close electoral vote.
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Rasmussen and Larry Sabato (Virginia center for politics) are the only two I trust. They have nailed every election the last 20 years. Whether it's a dem or gop, it is what is with them. They both had Obama winning handily in 12. Everyone else said Romney. Or at least Barry by a thin margin. Both of those guys nailed it. Right now they both have a close popular vote. With a very not close electoral vote.
"Rasmussen...nailed every election"...smh, no.
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Yep. numbers still good.
You take one outlier and run with it? Typical libtard. Most of the polls have a tie or within one or two points for each candidate. Rasmussen actually has Trump up by 2.
But go ahead and take one of the dim sellout's polls to heart.
Rasmussen polls have been wrong a lot since it's 2000 debut. But, yeah, continue believing it...I'm guessing you'll be one of the pitchfork Trumpets after the election?
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"Rasmussen...nailed every election"...smh, no.
Electoral. Its all that matters. I do not care about popular and neither should anyone else. In 2012 for his popular projections, he (and many others) grossly mis-estimated the turnout %.
Fwiw - i don't think Scott Rasmussen is actually involved in the company anymore. But I think they are reputable poller who tries to do their best to get it right.
Look up Sabato. He's impressive.
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I don't get the conspiracies that the polls are libruhl and biased and tryin' to steal the election from the Republicans.
First of all, you realize their objective is to be the reliable poll that's closest to the final result. If they're way off, people don't use their polls and they lose money.
Secondly, what good would it do anyway to show the Dem candidate with a huge lead when they really don't have one? All that would do is lull Dem voters into complacency and stay home when in reality their vote might matter a lot more.
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I don't get the conspiracies that the polls are libruhl and biased and tryin' to steal the election from the Republicans.
First of all, you realize their objective is to be the reliable poll that's closest to the final result. If they're way off, people don't use their polls and they lose money.
Secondly, what good would it do anyway to show the Dem candidate with a huge lead when they really don't have one? All that would do is lull Dem voters into complacency and stay home when in reality their vote might matter a lot more.
Itsnot a business to them. It is a tool to sway the masses.
And what difference doe a poll make? It can crate momentum. For anyone who is on the bubble for Trump, they look at the skewed numbers and say, "Well. He can't win anyway"...
To claim to be so smart...
Here is more proof that these pollsters are in bed with Clintax:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/rigging-election-new-email-confirms-team-hillary-rigged-polls-oversampling/
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Itsnot a business to them. It is a tool to sway the masses.
And what difference doe a poll make? It can crate momentum. For anyone who is on the bubble for Trump, they look at the skewed numbers and say, "Well. He can't win anyway"...
To claim to be so smart...
Here is more proof that these pollsters are in bed with Clintax:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/rigging-election-new-email-confirms-team-hillary-rigged-polls-oversampling/
The more Trump opens his face, the more he has to stuff his foot in...as well as his ignorant base that have crawled out from under their rocks.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-wisconsin-clerk-limits-voting-near-campus-because-students-lean-more-toward-the-democrats/
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The more Trump opens his face, the more he has to stuff his foot in...as well as his ignorant base that have crawled out from under their rocks.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-wisconsin-clerk-limits-voting-near-campus-because-students-lean-more-toward-the-democrats/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-wisconsin-clerk-limits-voting-near-campus-because-students-lean-more-toward-the-democrats/)
Really? You think you can find more instances of THAT than that there are of dims rigging the vote? You really are a special kind of stupid!
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Really? You think you can find more instances of THAT than that there are of dims rigging the vote? You really are a special kind of stupid!
If you think both sides don't rig the votes, you are a fucking retard. Trump crying, complaining, and pointing fingers all while the Republicans are doing similar shit.
There are a lot of Republicans that want him to keep his fat face shut until after the elections, because the more accusations that he throws around, the more people will start looking behind the curtain. He isn't able to strong arm or bully his way to the presidency, to many people willing to search him (you know, the exact thing he denied all of his advisors). No one is scared of him...no matter how many times he threatens to sue, like with the 6+ women that have come forward about him (they all have lawyers ready to do it pro-bono).
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If you think both sides don't rig the votes, you are a fucking retard. Trump crying, complaining, and pointing fingers all while the Republicans are doing similar shit.
There are a lot of Republicans that want him to keep his fat face shut until after the elections, because the more accusations that he throws around, the more people will start looking behind the curtain. He isn't able to strong arm or bully his way to the presidency, to many people willing to search him (you know, the exact thing he denied all of his advisors). No one is scared of him...no matter how many times he threatens to sue, like with the 6+ women that have come forward about him (they all have lawyers ready to do it pro-bono).
Oh the irony in this post.....
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Every post from you in this thread
I feel sorry that you were never taught this lesson. You don't look at your neighbor's plate and demand to have the same. The only time you look at your neighbor's plate is to see if they have enough. It will never be the same and it never has been the same. For centuries people have survived, felt happy, been content, survived, and thrived this way. But you, and your kind seem completely stumped on this principle. (Or you are just being a hapless troll.) Probably because you have no god bigger than your own want and that god will always lead you down the path of frustration and failing.
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I feel sorry that you were never taught this lesson. You don't look at your neighbor's plate and demand to have the same. The only time you look at your neighbor's plate is to see if they have enough. It will never be the same and it never has been the same. For centuries people have survived, felt happy, been content, survived, and thrived this way. But you, and your kind seem completely stumped on this principle. (Or you are just being a hapless troll.) Probably because you have no god bigger than your own want and that god will always lead you down the path of frustration and failing.
And to offer him more if needed.
What a great analogy!
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I feel sorry that you were never taught this lesson. You don't look at your neighbor's plate and demand to have the same. The only time you look at your neighbor's plate is to see if they have enough. It will never be the same and it never has been the same. For centuries people have survived, felt happy, been content, survived, and thrived this way. But you, and your kind seem completely stumped on this principle. (Or you are just being a hapless troll.) Probably because you have no god bigger than your own want and that god will always lead you down the path of frustration and failing.
Just when I'm ready to give up? Stuff like this gives me hope.
I spent some of my early years bemoaning what others had or were given. I very nearly fell prey to the "I'm a victim" trap. And frankly? It would be easy for me. My life is a vast tapestry of stumbles and fumbles. Some were self-inflicted. Others weren't. I've stood at the precipice more than once and wondered what point there was in continuing.
I chose not to quit. I chose to focus on what I could do for other people rather than what I could do for myself. It hasn't always worked. I've been taken advantage of at times. In those times, I see that as a failure on the part of those who take and do not give. But I'm happy with it.
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Prowler,
You're a vet right? I cannot believe your thought process. We're about to lose our country forever, and you're worried about all of this fringe bullshit when it's going to take a MAN like trump to save it from the Marxists, Communist, Global Elite fucks who want to kill us. Ted Turner wants a global population reduction of 90%. Does that fucking sink in? Mind you there are some here (USA) who need to be put down including most of Washington DC. We use to hang corrupt politicians, and we should return to that at every level starting with the Clintons.
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Prowler,
You're a vet right? I cannot believe your thought process. We're about to lose our country forever, and you're worried about all of this fringe bullshit when it's going to take a MAN like trump to save it from the Marxists, Communist, Global Elite fucks who want to kill us. Ted Turner wants a global population reduction of 90%. Does that fucking sink in? Mind you there are some here (USA) who need to be put down including most of Washington DC. We use to hang corrupt politicians, and we should return to that at every level starting with the Clintons.
Low enlistment standards.
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I feel sorry that you were never taught this lesson. You don't look at your neighbor's plate and demand to have the same. The only time you look at your neighbor's plate is to see if they have enough. It will never be the same and it never has been the same. For centuries people have survived, felt happy, been content, survived, and thrived this way. But you, and your kind seem completely stumped on this principle. (Or you are just being a hapless troll.) Probably because you have no god bigger than your own want and that god will always lead you down the path of frustration and failing.
He speaks for all of us
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Not to rob the thread, but I lost a Brother to PTSD in 1991, long after I ETS'd (circa 1985). He was Vietnam Veteran and had left the US Army, then came in for some reason. He was Ranger Medic in nam and taught me A LOT from 1983-1985.
I could always tell something was amiss, but one thing I did know, he would NOT be happy with the State of State right now. Yes, I call him a friend.
http://www.vvmf.org/Honor-Roll/381/MichaelEdwardCreamer
He signed his suicide note Michael R. Creamer.
R=RANGER
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/mecreamer.htm
What's really important needs to be discussed instead of taking shots at Trump, who would IMHO, kick some ISIS ASS, rid the government of the Muslim Brotherhood and clean up DC. Hillary would not. She would not only permit the status quo and hand over sovereignty to the global governance of the UN. If I see UN vehicles cruising the streets, I'm unloading through the barrel.
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Low enlistment standards.
Forrest Gump effect?
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Low enlistment standards.
Male in the Air Force.
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Prowler,
You're a vet right? I cannot believe your thought process. We're about to lose our country forever, and you're worried about all of this fringe bullshit when it's going to take a MAN like trump to save it from the Marxists, Communist, Global Elite fucks who want to kill us. Ted Turner wants a global population reduction of 90%. Does that fucking sink in? Mind you there are some here (USA) who need to be put down including most of Washington DC. We use to hang corrupt politicians, and we should return to that at every level starting with the Clintons.
Trump is a man? No. He's a crybaby, period. He's a self entitled, silver spoon, rich, little brat that never received an ass whoopin' when he did wrong. He only knows what's best for him and his wallet. He screams about China and other Countries taking our jobs, all the while continuing to use those Countries. He screams about the 11 Million Illegal immigrants taking our jobs, without realizing that removing those 11 Million (that are doing a lot of jobs that Americans don't want or can't do) at one time, will hurt the economy. He screams at how many skeletons Hillary has in her closet, when he has a fucking graveyard in his. He screams about rigged elections, when rigging is happening on his side as well. Are you seeing a pattern? Is that a MAN or is that a silver spoon, crybaby, that gets his feewings hurt whenever someone says anything negative towards him? That's someone you want to be leading you? Not me.
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Trump is a man? No. He's a crybaby, period. He's a self entitled, silver spoon, rich, little brat that never received an ass whoopin' when he did wrong. He only knows what's best for him and his wallet. He screams about China and other Countries taking our jobs, all the while continuing to use those Countries. He screams about the 11 Million Illegal immigrants taking our jobs, without realizing that removing those 11 Million (that are doing a lot of jobs that Americans don't want or can't do) at one time, will hurt the economy. He screams at how many skeletons Hillary has in her closet, when he has a fucking graveyard in his. He screams about rigged elections, when rigging is happening on his side as well. Are you seeing a pattern? Is that a MAN or is that a silver spoon, crybaby, that gets his feewings hurt whenever someone says anything negative towards him? That's someone you want to be leading you? Not me.
(https://www.askideas.com/media/80/Jealousy-Is-A-Form-Of-Hatred-Built-Upon-Insecurity.1.jpg)
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(https://www.askideas.com/media/80/Jealousy-Is-A-Form-Of-Hatred-Built-Upon-Insecurity.1.jpg)
Jealous of what? His lack of morals? No.
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Trump is a man? No. He's a crybaby, period. He's a self entitled, silver spoon, rich, little brat that never received an ass whoopin' when he did wrong. He only knows what's best for him and his wallet. He screams about China and other Countries taking our jobs, all the while continuing to use those Countries. He screams about the 11 Million Illegal immigrants taking our jobs, without realizing that removing those 11 Million (that are doing a lot of jobs that Americans don't want or can't do) at one time, will hurt the economy. He screams at how many skeletons Hillary has in her closet, when he has a fucking graveyard in his. He screams about rigged elections, when rigging is happening on his side as well. Are you seeing a pattern? Is that a MAN or is that a silver spoon, crybaby, that gets his feewings hurt whenever someone says anything negative towards him? That's someone you want to be leading you? Not me.
Well, he's certainly not a chick with balls like your team rolls. If he does half of what he's saying, while not supporting ISIS and other terrorist organizations, then this country can only benefit. We Gon' Forward.
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Trump is a man? No. He's a crybaby, period. He's a self entitled, silver spoon, rich, little brat that never received an ass whoopin' when he did wrong. He only knows what's best for him and his wallet. He screams about China and other Countries taking our jobs, all the while continuing to use those Countries. He screams about the 11 Million Illegal immigrants taking our jobs, without realizing that removing those 11 Million (that are doing a lot of jobs that Americans don't want or can't do) at one time, will hurt the economy. He screams at how many skeletons Hillary has in her closet, when he has a fucking graveyard in his. He screams about rigged elections, when rigging is happening on his side as well. Are you seeing a pattern? Is that a MAN or is that a silver spoon, crybaby, that gets his feewings hurt whenever someone says anything negative towards him? That's someone you want to be leading you? Not me.
:dead: X10,000
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Did you get that from an alternative news source?
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Did you get that from an alternative news source?
You questioning The Onion?
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Well, he's certainly not a chick with balls like your team rolls. If he does half of what he's saying, while not supporting ISIS and other terrorist organizations, then this country can only benefit. We Gon' Forward.
I agree.
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Jealous of what? His lack of morals? No.
That he made money with his brain and you don't have one? Just a guess.
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Jealous of what? His lack of morals? No.
Serious though, in your line of work I think you'd greatly benefit from trump. Not sure if you are unionized but if so then I def second that thought.
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That he made money with his brain and you don't have one? Just a guess.
I'm guessing that you think a $1 Million dollar loan from his daddy in 1975 (inflation around $4M today) and by 1985 was in debt $14 Million (inflation around $31M today) to his daddy and companies didn't help...
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I'm guessing that you think a $4-5 Million dollar loan from his daddy didn't help...
Turning a mill into several billion After bankruptcy is counted into the P and L is an impressive roi.
You would benefit from him and his trade and Union stances. Dead serious. You just don't know it.
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Turning a mill into several billion After bankruptcy is counted into the P and L is an impressive roi.
You would benefit from him and his trade and Union stances. Dead serious. You just don't know it.
He lost more than he received starting out, believe me. $1M in '75, in debt by $14M in '85. Those are Wallstreet Journal numbers.
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Anyway, reason #5,789,651 that I know Trump is an operative intentionally destroying the GOP from within.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/25/trump-halts-big-money-fundraising-cutting-off-cash-to-the-party/
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has no further high-dollar fundraising events planned for the remainder of the campaign, dealing another serious blow to the GOP's effort to finance its get-out-the-vote operation before Election Day.
Steven Mnuchin, Trump's national finance chairman, said in an interview with The Washington Post on Tuesday that Trump Victory, a joint fundraising committee between the party and the campaign, held its last formal fundraiser on Oct. 19. The luncheon was in Las Vegas on the day of the final presidential debate.
“We’ve kind of wound down,†Mnuchin said, referring to formal fundraisers. “But the online fundraising continues to be strong.â€
While Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton is headlining her last fundraiser Tuesday night in Miami, her campaign has scheduled 41 other events between now and Nov. 3 featuring high-profile surrogates such as her daughter, Chelsea, running mate Tim Kaine and the entertainer Cher, according to a schedule sent to donors this weekend.
Trump's campaign is continuing to bring in donations that will boost the party, but the lack of a formal fundraising schedule effectively turns off one of the main spigots to the Republican National Committee. The national party collected $40 million through Trump Victory as of Sept. 30. The RNC has relied on the funds to help pay for hundreds of field staffers deployed across the country as part of its national ground operation, which is working to turn out voters to support the entire Republican ticket.
RNC officials said that party leaders, including Chairman Reince Priebus, are continuing to bring in resources for the party. “The RNC continues to fundraise for the entire GOP ticket,†said spokeswoman Lindsay Walters.
New York financier Lew Eisenberg, the top fundraiser for the RNC and chairman of Trump Victory, said that he has been working "in a united effort" with Mnuchin to "continue to raise money from major donors" through phone calls and impromptu events.
"Unlike the period from June 1 to today, we have no organized calendar of events for the next 14 days," Eisenberg said. "Rather, when the opportunity presents itself, we will have ad hoc fundraisers" with Trump and his running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence. In addition, he said, "our state finance chairs will continuing to be raising major donor money for the foreseeable future."
Mnuchin said the Trump campaign decided to keep the candidate's final weeks focused on taking his message to the voters in person rather than on raising money. The GOP candidate held a small Trump Victory event in Florida this week, and there may be a handful of more high-dollar fundraisers in coming days featuring Trump surrogates, including his son Donald Jr., according to people familiar with the internal discussions. But Mnuchin said “there is virtually nothing planned.â€
“We have minimized his fundraising schedule over the last month to emphasize his focus on political [events],†Mnuchin said. “Unlike Hillary, who has been fundraising and not out and about, he has constantly been out and about.â€
Mnuchin noted that the Trump campaign continues to help bring in donations for the party from individual donors who are writing big checks, as well as through online contributions. “We continue to do fundraising with the party,†he said.
Mnuchin said Trump does not need high-dollar fundraisers, because his campaign is being buoyed by online donations, which he said are on track to hit a record in October.
“We couldn’t be more pleased with how the fundraising has gone,†he said, adding: “We have big media buys, we have a terrific ground game.â€
But the RNC gets only 20 percent of the money that Trump raises online in conjunction with the party, while the vast majority of the big checks contributed to Trump Victory are routed to the party.
Trump, who did not begin fundraising in earnest until late May, has lagged far behind his Democratic rival. As of Sept. 30, his campaign had raised $219 million to Clinton's $499 million.
Still, Mnuchin said, “we couldn’t be happier with the resources.†He said that the campaign held a series of high-dollar events earlier this month and followed up after the Las Vegas debate with a day of phone calls to major donors to secure contributions.
Trump has also boosted his bid with his own resources. But while the businessman has repeatedly vowed to put $100 million into the effort, campaign finance reports show that he has given just $56 million so far.
Mnuchin declined to comment on when — or if — Trump intends to put in the remaining $44 million. “He has been very supportive of the campaign with his contributions,†Mnuchin said.
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Turning a mill into several billion After bankruptcy is counted into the P and L is an impressive roi.
You would benefit from him and his trade and Union stances. Dead serious. You just don't know it.
I do not want Trump to run this Country like one of his business ideas.
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Anyway, reason #5,789,651 that I know Trump is an operative intentionally destroying the GOP from within.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/25/trump-halts-big-money-fundraising-cutting-off-cash-to-the-party/
He has kicked a giant ant hill, that's for sure. Now, all the Americans that take up arms against the Government, please line up against the wall...
@WalshFreedom
On November 8th, I'm voting for Trump.
On November 9th, if Trump loses, I'm grabbing my musket.
You in?
3:02 PM - 26 Oct 2016
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Anyway, reason #5,789,651 that I know Trump is an operative intentionally destroying the GOP from within.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/25/trump-halts-big-money-fundraising-cutting-off-cash-to-the-party/
Doonesbury comic 1999
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I feel sorry that you were never taught this lesson. You don't look at your neighbor's plate and demand to have the same. The only time you look at your neighbor's plate is to see if they have enough. It will never be the same and it never has been the same. For centuries people have survived, felt happy, been content, survived, and thrived this way. But you, and your kind seem completely stumped on this principle. (Or you are just being a hapless troll.) Probably because you have no god bigger than your own want and that god will always lead you down the path of frustration and failing.
Vampires suck your blood for Vitamin D, because they can't go out in the Sun themselves. You ever think about that? No. You only think about yourself and your own self god.
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Anyway, reason #5,789,651 that I know Trump is an operative intentionally destroying the GOP from within.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/25/trump-halts-big-money-fundraising-cutting-off-cash-to-the-party/
Not sure money is of the utmost concern in his campaign. Sure it helps and less out of his pocket but it's just not the concern it is for most candidates.
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I do not want Trump to run this Country like one of his business ideas.
And you've ran what business? And know exactly what about running one?
You even know how "bankruptcy law" works? Or how any of that works in regards to paying taxes or not? Because so far you've rattled off a lot of talking points from Rachel Maddow and I don't think you even understand what you're saying.
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And you've ran what business? And know exactly what about running one?
You even know how "bankruptcy law" works? Or how any of that works in regards to paying taxes or not? Because so far you've rattled off a lot of talking points from Rachel Maddow and I don't think you even understand what you're saying.
:haha: I'm cryin' over here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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And you've ran what business? And know exactly what about running one?
You even know how "bankruptcy law" works? Or how any of that works in regards to paying taxes or not? Because so far you've rattled off a lot of talking points from Rachel Maddow and I don't think you even understand what you're saying.
Umm yeah, bankruptcy in business to get out from the loans is a little different than trying to get out of the debt America owes...unless you believe it's a good idea to file bankruptcy as a Country to try and avoid paying China...smh, fucking moron.
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Umm yeah, bankruptcy in business to get out from the loans is a little different than trying to get out of the debt America owes...unless you believe it's a good idea to file bankruptcy as a Country to try and avoid paying China...smh, fucking moron.
No but every economic guru says we are on the precipice of collapse. And who better to lead us through than a guy who has done it before!
See how easy it was to just spit stuff out.
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No but every economic guru says we are on the precipice of collapse. And who better to lead us through than a guy who has done it before!
See how easy it was to just spit stuff out.
Everything I've stated and have stated this entire time, is the truth. He runs this Country like one of his businesses...it will be another "business" that files bankruptcy, this time though we will all be the ones that suffer as China rightfully comes to take what's their's.
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HE is the most qualified candidate to take us through the process of default instead of allowing the bankers to continue their Ponzi scheme. The global currency crisis is looming due primarily to fiat currency and manipulation thereof. It's a matter of if, but when the default occurs. Hopefully we make it to January before that time.
http://roubinieconomics.blogspot.com/2016/08/we-have-done-too-much-monetary-easing.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqqimGKQh8I
http://roubinieconomics.blogspot.com/2016/10/donald-trump-warns-of-global-conspiracy.html
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HE is the most qualified candidate to take us through the process of default instead of allowing the bankers to continue their Ponzi scheme. The global currency crisis is looming due primarily to fiat currency and manipulation thereof. Is not a matter of if, but when the default occurs. Hopefully we make it to January before that time.
http://roubinieconomics.blogspot.com/2016/08/we-have-done-too-much-monetary-easing.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqqimGKQh8I
http://roubinieconomics.blogspot.com/2016/10/donald-trump-warns-of-global-conspiracy.html
I agree with that.
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Everything I've stated and have stated this entire time, is the truth. He runs this Country like one of his businesses...it will be another "business" that files bankruptcy, this time though we will all be the ones that suffer as China rightfully comes to take what's their's.
you realize China's economy has slowed and more importantly is poised as the next major country to go through a significant economic downturn...? Europe and England are sucking ass.
'murica is in the opposite position regardless who wins they will be lauded for the robust economy.
unfortunately all our cash will be sucked dry from the millenials.
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you realize China's economy has slowed and more importantly is poised as the next major country to go through a significant economic downturn...? Europe and England are sucking ass.
'murica is in the opposite position regardless who wins they will be lauded for the robust economy.
unfortunately all our cash will be sucked dry from the millenials.
Prowler is a millenial?
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you realize China's economy has slowed and more importantly is poised as the next major country to go through a significant economic downturn...? Europe and England are sucking ass.
'murica is in the opposite position regardless who wins they will be lauded for the robust economy.
unfortunately all our cash will be sucked dry from the millenials.
If their economy crashes, they'll come asking for what they're owed.
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Not sure money is of the utmost concern in his campaign. Sure it helps and less out of his pocket but it's just not the concern it is for most candidates.
So when he was trying to raise a bunch of money then it is going in his pocket. But since he is winding down the large donation events, he is a plant.
Got it.
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So when he was trying to raise a bunch of money then it is going in his pocket. But since he is winding down the large donation events, he is a plant.
Got it.
Actually. He was raising money for the GOP. Doing his part while the establishment craps on him.
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Actually. He was raising money for the GOP. Doing his part while the establishment craps on him.
You missed my point...
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If their economy crashes, they'll come asking for what they're owed.
that's not how it works...smh/
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that's not how it works...smh/
That's not how any of this works.
#smh
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What does smh mean anyway?
Stupid millennial heifer?
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What does smh mean anyway?
Stupid millennial heifer?
I had the same question. I googled.
Shaking My Head.
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I had the same question. I googled.
Shaking My Head.
me too. prowler is interweb savy.
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I've resigned myself to the fact that Trump is going to lose.
There's still a part of me that hopes the pollsters are as wrong about Trump as they were about Sanders. The dynamics are similar -- Sanders was energizing voters and Clinton was alienating them. I remember that she was polling 21 points ahead of Sanders in Michigan the day of the primary and then he whipped her ass there.
Same thing happened in other states.
I don't want to wake up Wednesday morning in a country that's in her corrupt, evil, greedy, globalist grip. If that happens, the decline is real. It's really over for us. The populace has become too stupid to survive. Something awful and drastic will have to happen and it's going to hurt.
We will eventually be overrun by the Islamics. We will lose our national identity. Armageddon is inevitable.
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I've resigned myself to the fact that Trump is going to lose.
There's still a part of me that hopes the pollsters are as wrong about Trump as they were about Sanders. The dynamics are similar -- Sanders was energizing voters and Clinton was alienating them. I remember that she was polling 21 points ahead of Sanders in Michigan the day of the primary and then he whipped her ass there.
Same thing happened in other states.
I don't want to wake up Wednesday morning in a country that's in her corrupt, evil, greedy, globalist grip. If that happens, the decline is real. It's really over for us. The populace has become too stupid to survive. Something awful and drastic will have to happen and it's going to hurt.
We will eventually be overrun by the Islamics. We will lose our national identity. Armageddon is inevitable.
Watch a flick called "Idiocracy" it's funny and scary at the same time. Some of that shit has been happening already.
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I've resigned myself to the fact that Trump is going to lose.
There's still a part of me that hopes the pollsters are as wrong about Trump as they were about Sanders. The dynamics are similar -- Sanders was energizing voters and Clinton was alienating them. I remember that she was polling 21 points ahead of Sanders in Michigan the day of the primary and then he whipped her ass there.
Same thing happened in other states.
I don't want to wake up Wednesday morning in a country that's in her corrupt, evil, greedy, globalist grip. If that happens, the decline is real. It's really over for us. The populace has become too stupid to survive. Something awful and drastic will have to happen and it's going to hurt.
We will eventually be overrun by the Islamics. We will lose our national identity. Armageddon is inevitable.
Get prepared, it is going to be shit storm/love jism/ultimate orgasm on TV for her. Donald will most likely come out and embarrass himself and claim to file a law suit or he will call those who voted for her "Stupid" Thank god for DVR.
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I've resigned myself to the fact that Trump is going to lose.
There's still a part of me that hopes the pollsters are as wrong about Trump as they were about Sanders. The dynamics are similar -- Sanders was energizing voters and Clinton was alienating them. I remember that she was polling 21 points ahead of Sanders in Michigan the day of the primary and then he whipped her ass there.
Same thing happened in other states.
I don't want to wake up Wednesday morning in a country that's in her corrupt, evil, greedy, globalist grip. If that happens, the decline is real. It's really over for us. The populace has become too stupid to survive. Something awful and drastic will have to happen and it's going to hurt.
We will eventually be overrun by the Islamics. We will lose our national identity. Armageddon is inevitable.
They are a little nervous. Hence your president encouraging ILLEGALS to vote as the DOJ sill not come after them
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They are a little nervous. Hence your president encouraging ILLEGALS to vote as the DOJ sill not come after them
Richard Nixon was my president. Jimmy Carter was my president. Ronald Reagan was my president. George 1 and George 2, Bill Clinton also were my presidents. Even Ford was my president. I'd have taken Goldwater, Wallace, Mondale, Humphrey and even Gore.
Obama has never been my president.
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Richard Nixon was my president. Jimmy Carter was my president. Ronald Reagan was my president. George 1 and George 2, Bill Clinton also were my presidents. Even Ford was my president. I'd have taken Goldwater, Wallace, Mondale, Humphrey and even Gore.
Obama has never been my president.
Loses his number one ranking as worst president after these last 8 years.
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Richard Nixon was my president. Jimmy Carter was my president. Ronald Reagan was my president. George 1 and George 2, Bill Clinton also were my presidents. Even Ford was my president. I'd have taken Goldwater, Wallace, Mondale, Humphrey and even Gore.
Obama has never been my president.
Thought I might get you with that one :poke:
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Raise your hand if you thought Mexico was gonna pay for the wall.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/
Trump asking Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall
"Congress" is code word for you and me and the rest of the American taxpayers.
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Raise your hand if you thought Mexico was gonna pay for the wall.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/
"Congress" is code word for you and me and the rest of the American taxpayers.
Kind of like Obamacare?
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Kind of like Obamacare?
Yes. Exactly like it.
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Kind of like Obamacare?
That's a weird non-sequitur.
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Raise your hand if you thought Mexico was gonna pay for the wall.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/
"Congress" is code word for you and me and the rest of the American taxpayers.
Funds can be moved and rearranged. You know, like aid dollars.
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Raise your hand if you thought Mexico was gonna pay for the wall.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/
"Congress" is code word for you and me and the rest of the American taxpayers.
Raise my hand if I don't give a damn...
Wall, no wall. Mexico pays, Mexico doesn't.
Hillary was not elected. I win.
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Funds can be moved and rearranged. You know, like aid dollars.
You mean something like the tens of millions of dollars that have been funneled into Syria?
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You mean something like the tens of millions of dollars that have been funneled into Syria?
I'm for building a wall between us and Syria too. Merica first!
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Raise your hand if you thought Mexico was gonna pay for the wall.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/
"Congress" is code word for you and me and the rest of the American taxpayers.
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How's that wall coming along? I heard that Trump now wants the wall to have a lot of windows...
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Possum stew
8 Big Taters2 big spoons of butter1 big spoon of sugara pinch or two of saltThyme, marjoram or pepper to taste1 cooking pot with a good tight lid
Put the possum in the pot with just enough water to keep it from burning, cover with a good tight lid. Possums take longer to cook than taters so wait until your possum has stewed for about an hour before you add the taters to the pot. Place the taters along the sides of the possum and mix in sugar, salt and your choice of thyme, marjoram or pepper to taste.
Every 15 minutes or so take off the lid and baste the possum with the juices. By now the possums own fat will have rendered and the water will now make some delicious possum gravy.
When the possum is tender and the meat falls off the bones mix a little flour, if needed, to the water/possum fat and tater mixture.
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Possum stew
8 Big Taters2 big spoons of butter1 big spoon of sugara pinch or two of saltThyme, marjoram or pepper to taste1 cooking pot with a good tight lid
Put the possum in the pot with just enough water to keep it from burning, cover with a good tight lid. Possums take longer to cook than taters so wait until your possum has stewed for about an hour before you add the taters to the pot. Place the taters along the sides of the possum and mix in sugar, salt and your choice of thyme, marjoram or pepper to taste.
Every 15 minutes or so take off the lid and baste the possum with the juices. By now the possums own fat will have rendered and the water will now make some delicious possum gravy.
When the possum is tender and the meat falls off the bones mix a little flour, if needed, to the water/possum fat and tater mixture.
You didn't clarify...assuming roadkill?
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You didn't clarify...assuming roadkill?
It's better if you trap them and feed them table scraps in their cage for about a week. It cleans them out. Then you can cook them!