Here's the Republican front runner...

[The Six]

Trump's New Campaign Song

[Snaggletiger]

It would be kind of cool to hear our President say, "North Korea says their gonna' fire nukes or something at us.  That little roly poly dictator keeps shooting off at the mouth.  What's his name?  Kim Jong?  Jong rhymes with dong.  Hey Jong, how big's your dong?  My dong's bigger, Jong."

[dallaswareagle]

ON DEFENSE:  In his 2011 book Time to Get Tough, Trump lists seven core principles of his foreign policy doctrine, which emphasizes defense: 1) American interests come first; 2) Maximum firepower and military preparedness; 3) Only go to war to win; 4) Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies; 5) Keep the technological sword razor sharp; 6) See the unseen. Prepare for threats before they materialize; and 7) Respect and support our present and past warriors.

A nice change from the last 8 years.

[AUChizad]

So about the issues, where do you agree or disagree and how does your guy match up with these views?

The problem is that he has changed pretty much all of his positions like the wind so that stupid people will vote for him now that he has an R behind his name. Yesterday was yesterday, man. This is for super sure what he really believes...

The sheer idiocy of believing that Mexicans will pay to build a wall to keep themselves out...let alone the proven ineffectiveness of said walls...and the unconstitutional nature of banning people from entering the country solely because they adhere to a specific religion...all that aside...

In 2012 he criticized Mitt Romney for being too harsh on immigration. But he was probably lying back then and totes speaking off the cuff now that he's frontrunner for the Republican nomination...He also hired illegals to build his golf courses and Trump towers. This is documented fact. He also originally said he would take in Syrian refugees.

Now you tell me which of these policies Trump has stated as his own do you support? (click the link to the right-wing blog, in order to follow other links that verify these facts)
http://louderwithcrowder.com/vetting-donald-trump-what-you-need-to-know/

– Donald Trump gave over $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. Despite the fact that he openly criticizes the foundation and the Clinton’s lack of transparency regarding it. Now we don’t have the exact numbers, we only know that his contributions number over $100,000 and under $250,000. Also this may be a good time to note that he personally supported Hillary Clinton’s senate campaign. Just had to give you a heads up, you know, because I’m a “RINOz” and all.
– Over the years, he has consistently supported Democrats over Republicans. Since 1990, Trump has given $541,650 to Democrats—more than he gave to Republicans over the same period of time. Kind of odd for someone who claims to be such a gung ho Republican these days, wouldn’t you say?
– In 2008, Donald Trump supported Obama’s campaign. This one is pretty self-explanatory, but here’s a quote from 2011 for good measure. “I was his biggest cheerleader,” “If you go back three years, I’m saying, ‘Do a great job.’ … ” “I thought he was a positive person, always,”
– Trump has switched parties at least five times since the 1980s. Three times since 2001. Trump is a new kind of politician. He’s what the progressives call “party-fluid.”
– His disgusting abuse of government power/eminent domain. Michelle Malkin has covered this extensively. Here’s the thing, with Trump this isn’t a one-time thing. It’s seemingly an integral part of his business model. In 1997, he even went as far as to use eminent domain to try and evict an elderly widow—so that he could build a limousine parking lot. I hate to play identity politics here but… what a dick.
– Donald Trump, in 2000 supported gun control, abortion, higher taxes and socialized healthcare. Do I… Do I really need to add anything here?
– Donald Trump Stood against Pro-1st amendment Conservatives when facing radical Islam. Yep, Trump even went as far as to slam Pamela Gellar for her cartoon contest in Texas. Now, regardless of whether you think Pam Gellar’s event is tasteless, the woman faced violence from radical Islam. I don’t know a single, self-respecting Conservative who deemed it appropriate to slam her, standing arm-in-arm with angry Islamists. Not one. Unless you count Trump?
– He wants Oprah Winfrey on his ticket. Yes, the same Oprah who supported Obama, called all of his critics out as racist and yes, the same Oprah who said that all racists were white, and that they “all need to die.” Welcome your new VP.

Other things I've mentioned in this thread:
Repeatedly and consistently praises the socialist British, Canadian, and Scottish healthcare systems
Supported Obama's stimulus package, TARP, auto bailouts.
Supports campaign finance reform (There's one I agree with him on)
Wants the government to cap executive pay
Boasts that he often bribed public officials, yet claims to be the one to stop cronyism
Named his liberal pro-partial-birth-abortion sister as a possible Supreme Court Justice nominee
Only stopped donating to Democrats in 2011  at the end of Obama's first term, just as he started talking about running himself.
Was quoted three weeks ago as saying "I'm very capable of changing to anything I want to change to"
Shares Hillary's view that we should "close up the Internet" and specifically bemoaned "foolish people" who would say "Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech".
Wants to deport those suspected of being an illegal immigrant without due process

Tell me again how he's the "real" Republican because he's a crude asshole...

[dallaswareagle]

I see a lot of this as the republicans fault. If they hadn't caved so much to Obama and in the last two elections ran out the same old stiff white guys we wouldn't be in this situation with Trump. He is lord of the douche bags but he is still a better choice the Hilda beast.  And maybe somebody so fucked as Trump is would be a good thing, we have got to do something different.

[Kaos]

The problem is that he has changed pretty much all of his positions like the wind so that stupid people will vote for him now that he has an R behind his name. Yesterday was yesterday, man. This is for super sure what he really believes...

The sheer idiocy of believing that Mexicans will pay to build a wall to keep themselves out...let alone the proven ineffectiveness of said walls...and the unconstitutional nature of banning people from entering the country solely because they adhere to a specific religion...all that aside...

In 2012 he criticized Mitt Romney for being too harsh on immigration. But he was probably lying back then and totes speaking off the cuff now that he's frontrunner for the Republican nomination...He also hired illegals to build his golf courses and Trump towers. This is documented fact. He also originally said he would take in Syrian refugees.

Now you tell me which of these policies Trump has stated as his own do you support? (click the link to the right-wing blog, in order to follow other links that verify these facts)
http://louderwithcrowder.com/vetting-donald-trump-what-you-need-to-know/

Other things I've mentioned in this thread:
Repeatedly and consistently praises the socialist British, Canadian, and Scottish healthcare systems
Supported Obama's stimulus package, TARP, auto bailouts.
Supports campaign finance reform (There's one I agree with him on)
Wants the government to cap executive pay
Boasts that he often bribed public officials, yet claims to be the one to stop cronyism
Named his liberal pro-partial-birth-abortion sister as a possible Supreme Court Justice nominee
Only stopped donating to Democrats in 2011  at the end of Obama's first term, just as he started talking about running himself.
Was quoted three weeks ago as saying "I'm very capable of changing to anything I want to change to"
Shares Hillary's view that we should "close up the Internet" and specifically bemoaned "foolish people" who would say "Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech".
Wants to deport those suspected of being an illegal immigrant without due process

Tell me again how he's the "real" Republican because he's a crude asshole...

The Constitution doesn't say we keep the borders open and just let anybody in.  There's no prohibition on us denying people for religious reasons or just because they have beards.   

[AUChizad]

The Constitution doesn't say we keep the borders open and just let anybody in.

There's no prohibition on us denying people for religious reasons or just because they have beards.

Oh.

1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

And for good measure, while not as explicit, the lawyers here can attest that it would oppose the spirit of Article VI's "No religious tests shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" clause. If the founding fathers didn't want it to be a requirement for holding office, they sure as shit didn't want it to be a requirement for entering our borders.

[Kaos]

1st Amendment:  For American citizens, not Jafari Moodegiquay who wants to come here. 

5th Amendment:  For American citizens, not Kajunga Boombadee who wants to come here. 

The Constitution protects Americans, not invaders.  Thinking otherwise is part of the problem.

[Snaggletiger]

1st Amendment:  For American citizens, not Jafari Moodegiquay who wants to come here. 

5th Amendment:  For American citizens, not Kajunga Boombadee who wants to come here. 

The Constitution protects Americans, not invaders.  Thinking otherwise is part of the problem.

And all God's children said....


AMEN

[AUChizad]

The latest on this clown of a candidate:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/analysis-trump-s-flip-flops-exposed-rivals-still-vow-back-n531616

Donald Trump's rivals and Fox News' debate moderators laid out a clear and factual case on Thursday that the billionaire's policies were unworkable; that he regularly shifted his positions; and that he had engaged in business practices he routinely denounces on the campaign trail.

Trump, in turn, bragged about the size of his penis and promised to force Americans to commit war crimes. Yet, he remains the odds-on favorite to win the Republican nomination.

There's not much more anyone can do but wait for the voters to weigh in on Trump, who has so far thrived while being caught telling blatant lies and making bigoted and misogynist statements that would instantly destroy a different candidate.

It is possible the attacks will reach critical mass before March 15, when wins in Ohio and Florida would likely secure him the nomination, or maybe his fans will see his bullying and obscene retorts as an appealing sign of strength like they have to this point.

But the substance is important, regardless of how Republicans make their decision in upcoming contests, and Trump had a slew of exchanges that objectively had disturbing implications about his honesty, consistency, and competence.

The moderators, trying to block Trump from his usual technique of denying positions he demonstrably had taken before, used videos and slides to confront him with contradictory comments.

One pair of clips showed him saying America "made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place" when asked about Afghanistan, then later saying "I've never said we made a mistake" and denying he ever said otherwise. Another pair of clips showed him saying "you have to" take in Syrian refugees one day, then reverting the stance shortly afterwards because "we have our own problems." Yet another pair of clips showed Trump saying Bush "lied" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program in a debate, then saying shortly afterwards "I don't know if he lied or not."

Trump slipped his way through the obstacle course of obvious flip-flops with a combination of fantastic claims that he either misheard the questions — something he trotted out this week to explain his refusal to disavow the KKK during an interview with CNN — or blithe admissions that he simply changed his mind with the wind.

Confronted by moderator Chris Wallace with a slide showing that his suggestions for cutting the budget fell far short of closing a $554 billion deficit, Trump said it didn't account for his plan to save "hundreds of billions of dollars a year in waste" from "pharmaceutical companies" by negotiating lower drug prices through Medicare.

When Wallace, pointed out that Medicare only spends $78 billion total on drugs per year, making Trump's suggestion ludicrous, the front-runner responded that "I'm not only talking about drugs, I'm talking about other things."

At another point, he was asked by moderator Megyn Kelly why he praised H1B visas for highly skilled workers in a CNBC debate when the immigration plan on his own website said the same visas "decimate" American workers.

"I'm changing. I'm changing," he said. "We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can't do it, we'll get them in."

To be clear, this is Trump's signature issue. He has argued from the first days of his campaign that immigrants are stealing jobs and driving down wages. He put out an entire white paper on the topic. But on Thursday he indicated without any apparent shame that he would go back on a campaign promise as soon as he felt like it.

Or so it seemed. After the debate he released a statement clarifying that he interpreted Kelly's question about "highly skilled immigration" to mean something else and that he still would crack down on H1B visas. Like many of Trump's positions, there are so many confusing statements and walk backs that the "true" position can hardly be said to exist at all.

Trump was just as malleable on another signature issue: Trade.

Marco Rubio pressed him on his use of foreign manufacturers to make his clothing products. Trump routinely attacks other companies by name in his speeches for moving manufacturing overseas, and promises that he will punish them for doing so as president. But when it came to his own brand, he happily admitted that of course he made his products abroad to keep costs down, while vaguely suggesting he might change his ways.

"They devalue their currencies, and they make it impossible for clothing-makers in this country to do clothing in this country," Trump said.

Regarding foreign policy, Trump interrupted Rubio, saying "wrong" over and over as the Florida senator accurately pointed out that Trump had "expressed admiration" for Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.

"Putin said very nice things about me and I said very nicely, wouldn't it be nice if we could get along with Russia," Trump said.

For the candidates struggling to pin Trump down, it continues to be a frustrating slog.

Cruz summed the dynamic up afterwards in an interview with Fox's Bill O'Reilly when he was pressed to answer whether Trump lied. Cruz refused to call him dishonest, but it wasn't exactly a compliment - instead he essentially portrayed Trump as a sociopath.

"I think he can say two opposite things in the course of a minute and believe both of them," Cruz said.

One question Trump had no doubt on: whether he would commit brutal and illegal acts of terror against civilians as president.

Trump was asked about his call to murder terrorist's families and institute torture techniques, war crimes that former CIA Director Michael Hayden recently warned soldiers disobey orders to take part in.

"If I say do it, they're going to do it," Trump said. "That's what leadership is all about."

If voters don't see Trump's political behavior as outside the bounds of normal, though, they aren't getting many signals to the contrary from his opponents. Each person onstage Thursday told the audience they would support him should he win the nomination.

Inb4 "scared libruhl media". I can link to Steven Crowder or Fox News or NBC News and you'll denigrate the source.

So HE doesn't even know where he stands  on his one signature issue of keepin' the Mexicans out. He "softened" his position until his handlers told him to flip-flop back to the position that brought him there. FFS, this guy is dumb as dirt.

Also, as for his torture position they talk about in that article. I'm aware this makes me a beta male, but there is a reasoned argument for torture, and it involves intelligence gathering. NOT "even if it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway", and "I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" and "you have to take out their families."

[AUChizad]

1st Amendment:  For American citizens, not Jafari Moodegiquay who wants to come here. 

5th Amendment:  For American citizens, not Kajunga Boombadee who wants to come here. 

The Constitution protects Americans, not invaders.  Thinking otherwise is part of the problem.

Wrong.

The Bill of Rights applies to everyone. Even illegal immigrants, let alone documented legal ones. You think if an undocumented Mexican robs a liquor store he can just be executed? No right to due process, a speedy and public trial, or any of the other rights in the fifth & sixth amendments?

There are rights reserved for citizens, such as the right to vote, hold most federal jobs, and run for political office, but none of those apply to the amendments listed above. And again, while article VI does pertain to those wishing to hold office, it would be pretty obvious to the courts that it would apply to granting citizenship as well.

Again, I'm not advocating the straw man you're trying to build. OBVIOUSLY there are national security concerns when allowing people into our borders, but what God they pray to is not one and goes against the very nature of what this country was founded on.

[Kaos]

The latest on this clown of a candidate:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/analysis-trump-s-flip-flops-exposed-rivals-still-vow-back-n531616
Inb4 "scared libruhl media". I can link to Steven Crowder or Fox News or NBC News and you'll denigrate the source.

So HE doesn't even know where he stands  on his one signature issue of keepin' the Mexicans out. He "softened" his position until his handlers told him to flip-flop back to the position that brought him there. FFS, this guy is dumb as dirt.

Also, as for his torture position they talk about in that article. I'm aware this makes me a beta male, but there is a reasoned argument for torture, and it involves intelligence gathering. NOT "even if it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway", and "I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" and "you have to take out their families."

You can't "NB4" your own stuff.  You're breaking the rules. 

NBC?  No thanks.  The "fagcock" network is unabashedly liberal.  Anything that comes from a place that employs Rachel Maddow is suspect. 

NBC News has announced that they will partner with an organization called TargetSmart to “to perform nonpartisan analysis, research voting habits, and identify voting trends at the state and local levels.” The catch is that TargetSmart is a Democratic firm founded by Democratic operatives that exclusively works with Democratic campaigns. Its website boasts that in 2012 it was named the primary vendor of the DNC, “instantly distributing TargetSmart data to nearly every Democratic candidate campaign in America.”

Yeah.  I care what they say.  I won't even read it, Chizzyad, because it's going to be clearly biased.

[Kaos]

Wrong.

The Bill of Rights applies to everyone. Even illegal immigrants, let alone documented legal ones. You think if an undocumented Mexican robs a liquor store he can just be executed? No right to due process, a speedy and public trial, or any of the other rights in the fifth & sixth amendments?

There are rights reserved for citizens, such as the right to vote, hold most federal jobs, and run for political office, but none of those apply to the amendments listed above. And again, while article VI does pertain to those wishing to hold office, it would be pretty obvious to the courts that it would apply to granting citizenship as well.

Again, I'm not advocating the straw man you're trying to build. OBVIOUSLY there are national security concerns when allowing people into our borders, but what God they pray to is not one and goes against the very nature of what this country was founded on.

You're picking nits. 

If somebody comes here illegally and commits a crime, I personally don't think they deserve anything but deportation but that's not the argument. 

I'm talking about preventing them from coming here in the first place.  That's not a straw man, that's the argument you yourself made.  We can't constitutionally deny people entry because of their religious beliefs, you said. 

Exact words, Mr. Trump:
the unconstitutional nature of banning people from entering the country solely because they adhere to a specific religion

People in other countries who try to come here are not constitutionally protected.  After they get here, even illegally, they have rights as persons.  I also think that sucks the big raw ass and should be stricken from the Constitution, but it's part of it. 

The Constitution doesn't give the federal government authority over immigration at all.  It only addresses naturalization.  States have the right (and duty) to deny immigrants based on whatever criteria they elect. 

That's been crossed up some over the years, most notably with the Chinese Exclusion Act that existed for almost 100 years.  It's been repealed, but not found to be unconstitutional. 

[AUChizad]

You can't "NB4" your own stuff.  You're breaking the rules. 

NBC?  No thanks.  The "fagcock" network is unabashedly liberal.  Anything that comes from a place that employs Rachel Maddow is suspect. 

NBC News has announced that they will partner with an organization called TargetSmart to “to perform nonpartisan analysis, research voting habits, and identify voting trends at the state and local levels.” The catch is that TargetSmart is a Democratic firm founded by Democratic operatives that exclusively works with Democratic campaigns. Its website boasts that in 2012 it was named the primary vendor of the DNC, “instantly distributing TargetSmart data to nearly every Democratic candidate campaign in America.”

Yeah.  I care what they say.  I won't even read it, Chizzyad, because it's going to be clearly biased.

This type of willful ignorance is prototypical of Trumpkins.

You either don't realize the difference in editorializing and statement of facts, or you are purposely ignoring them. The former certainly would explain why many in this thread have expressed disdain for the "poisoning of minds" by the libruhl media. Most of us are capable of reading factual statements about what occurred on the debate stage, and positions Trump may or may not have taken in the past, backed up with video evidence, and distinguish between that and someone giving their opinion, which the reader is free to agree or disagree with. Somewhere along the line INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS became "lamestream media narrative". This is just bald ignorance.

But here is essentially the same story in acceptable Goodthink Newspeak.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/04/debate-grades-donald-trump-flip-flops-and-flounders-but-will-it-matter/
http://therightscoop.com/another-trump-flip-flop-heres-what-hes-saying-now-about-torturing-terrorists/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/03/trump-softens-h1b-visa-policy-during-gop-debate.html

Or watch it yourself.

[CCTAU]

Honestly, this is part of the problem. Stupid people (read CCTAU) can't see what is right in front of them until Fox News or Breitbart or whoever parses it out for them to tell them that black is white and up is down. And then have the lack of self-awareness to tell others they are brainwashed by not EXCLUSIVELY getting their news that way...

Here. This is from "dumbasses R us" reporting. Maybe a dumbass like you can read:

Jeez you are a stupid little prick.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html

Here. I'll pull out the quote for you:

"David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK," Trump added. "Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now."

[Kaos]

This type of willful ignorance is prototypical of Trumpkins.

You either don't realize the difference in editorializing and statement of facts, or you are purposely ignoring them. The former certainly would explain why many in this thread have expressed disdain for the "poisoning of minds" by the libruhl media. Most of us are capable of reading factual statements about what occurred on the debate stage, and positions Trump may or may not have taken in the past, backed up with video evidence, and distinguish between that and someone giving their opinion, which the reader is free to agree or disagree with. Somewhere along the lines INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS because "lamestream media narrative". This is just bald ignorance.

But here is essentially the same story in acceptable Goodthink Newspeak.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/04/debate-grades-donald-trump-flip-flops-and-flounders-but-will-it-matter/
http://therightscoop.com/another-trump-flip-flop-heres-what-hes-saying-now-about-torturing-terrorists/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/03/trump-softens-h1b-visa-policy-during-gop-debate.html

Or watch it yourself.

I'm not saying he hasn't changed positions on various things.  I change my mind every day.  I'm subject to learning new information that alters what I may have previously thought. 

I don't WANT somebody who still has the same ideas he had 40 years ago. Or 20. Or 10. 

As for NBC?  The bias there is so ingrained that I can't take anything that emanates from there seriously.  It may be the most straightforward, honest piece ever written but I'm not going to know it. I don't read their stuff because they've proven themselves to be slanted and I naturally assume anything they produce will be tainted by their intent to drive the narrative. 

That's my biggest problem with the media, from al.com on up.  No longer is simply reporting the news enough.  Who, what, where, when and why has been replaced by a misguided attempt to shape people's perceptions.  Inform has been replaced by influence.  I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. No sir.

[WiregrassTiger]

Time to pick a side. I'm with Kaos.

 Keep kicking Chizzys ass man. Don't let him back in this! It's Friday. Finish skrong!

[AUChizad]

Here. This is from "dumbasses R us" reporting. Maybe a dumbass like you can read:

Jeez you are a stupid little prick.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html

Here. I'll pull out the quote for you:

This was from the interview WHERE HE WAS BEING ASKED WHY HE DIDN'T DISAVOW HIM IN THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW.

Why did it take days of being coached by his handlers before he was able to say "Yeah, I disavow David fucking Duke and the KKK" instead of pretending not to know who Duke is and what KKK stands for. Fuck's sake...

[War Eagle!!!]

Your guy is not even a Republican or a conservative. That's why the actual Republian party hates him.

Nope. This statement is about as wrong as it gets on the subject. That's what people like you, the media, and the GOP establishment don't get and I don't see how...

[WiregrassTiger]

This was from the interview WHERE HE WAS BEING ASKED WHY HE DIDN'T DISAVOW HIM IN THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW.

Why did it take days of being coached by his handlers before he was able to say "Yeah, I disavow David fucking Duke and the KKK" instead of pretending not to know who Duke is and what KKK stands for. Fuck's sake...

Look dude, the KKK has softened it's stance regarding the gays. Why so much hostility?

You should actually go to a cross burning with CCTAU before being so judgmental about a group you know so little about.