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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on June 10, 2012, 12:30:14 AM
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All over Twitter right now. Sad if true.
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Supposedly they were at a pool party?
Seeing conflicting statements about deaths, but it seems pretty consistent that Ed Christian was killed.
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Ladarius Phillips didn't make it either. Not sure about Eric Mack. Apparently it was over some girl. No one knows the details about it, we'll know more in a few days.
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Holy shit. This is awful.
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Supposedly happened at The Exchange on Longleaf across from Wal-Mart.
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This fucking sux
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Speechless.
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Supposedly happened at The Exchange on Longleaf across from Wal-Mart.
Not Exchange. University Heights. I know people at Exchange.
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I'm hearing Eric Mack is going to make it.
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Just heard that Mack didn't make it. He was being air lifted to UAB. There were 5 or 6 other students that were shot as well, not sure if any more were football players or not, not really sure if Eric Mack died either...could've been one of the others, either way it's fuckin' horrible. Prays sent to the families of all of the victims. Still not sure if they've gotten the suspect or suspects.
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I want to fucking throw up.......I want to retire to Auburn one day. :facepalm:
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now its a party.
Too Soon?
stupid assed kids.
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Everything I have seen so far just seems to be one confirmed dead. They are still looking for the shooter.
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Fuck me running, this sux!
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Everything I have seen so far just seems to be one confirmed dead. They are still looking for the shooter.
Has Updyke's whereabouts been accounted for?
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now its a party.
Too Soon?
stupid assed kids.
This would be a perfect time to deliever some old man ass kicking.
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I don't know what happened, who was involved, or why. My thoughts and prayers are with any victim, football player or not. After hoping the rumors of death(s) are false or exaggerated, my thoughts and prayers are also with Auburn University, and the Auburn Football program. If this can be spun to be a black eye on either, it will be. It's rumored recruits were present. I don't know.
I've prosecuted several cases that, at least from we know now, seem similar, and it seems that innocent bystanders get the worst of it. Also, it always seems that while someone may have pissed another off, the reaction causing gun play is way out of proportion to the issue. Stupid, stupid people solving petty problems by shooting in to a crowd.
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This is just horrible. Damn damn DAMN!!!
I know that we joke around a lot on here but on a serious note, we should all do some serious praying for those kids families. Just freaking sad man, really really sad.
Read some of this:
http://www.secrant.com/rant/display.aspx?p=34001738&pg=12
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Just heard that Mack didn't make it. He was being air lifted to UAB. There were 5 or 6 other students that were shot as well, not sure if any more were football players or not, not really sure if Eric Mack died either...could've been one of the others, either way it's fuckin' horrible. Prays sent to the families of all of the victims. Still not sure if they've gotten the suspect or suspects.
Eric Mack is alive.
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Eric Mack is alive.
Skreetz cain't be wrong! Unless they are.
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So the UK is reporting it now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157137/Auburn-apartment-shooting-Gunman-run-football-players-shot-dead-fight-girl.html
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So the UK is reporting it now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157137/Auburn-apartment-shooting-Gunman-run-football-players-shot-dead-fight-girl.html
Rehash of the same story that's on Fox News.
Funny how they get better information than the local news sources.
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Rehash of the same story that's on Fox News.
Funny how they get better information than the local news sources.
Aint that the damn truth. After posting this, I saw it on the AP too. It sounds
like the only involvement the AU players had was trying to keep others from fighting, and getting
shot in the process.
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I'm impressed that the AUPD has been able to keep an official lid on things this long. Not one official "unnamed source close to the investigation".
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Per a FB post from his mom, Shon Coleman lives at that complex...
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This may be useful. Most of it I think has probably been read elsewhere though.
http://www.reddit.com/r/auburn/comments/uu71d/3_au_football_players_shot_1_reported_dead/
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Anyone have a link to a live feed of the official press conference at 11am?
Scratch that. Presser at 1pm.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/18748078/multi-victim-shooting-at-auburn-apt-complex
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Pete Thamel (of all people) reporting on this...
@PeteThamelNYT: Auburn Coach Gene Chizik called Ladarious Phillips' high school coach at 7 a.m. to inform him of his death. "He was devastated."
@PeteThamelNYT: Chizik's message to Phillips' family was this: "Anything that they need that the Auburn football family can provide, they will."
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Update:
http://www.wsfa.com/story/18749624/3-dead-3-wounded-in-auburn-shooting-manhunt-under-way
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I listened to the press conference. Auburn PD Chief went to great effort (and one reporter made him repeat it later) to be sure it was put out that Phillips, Mack, and Christian were innocent bystander victims.
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I listened to the press conference. Auburn PD Chief went to great effort (and one reporter made him repeat it later) to be sure it was put out that Phillips, Mack, and Christian were innocent bystander victims.
I had read in several places that Christian and Phillips had tried to defuse the original fight. Not sure if true but it might make a little sense as to why 3 AU players were shot at.
This shit is just plain sad.
Question for the lawyers on board:
With the suspect having 3 signed warrants of Capital Murder, whats his chances of getting the death penalty?
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The suspect is from Montgomery and has priors. I really hope they can find him soon.
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I had read in several places that Christian and Phillips had tried to defuse the original fight. Not sure if true but it might make a little sense as to why 3 AU players were shot at.
This shit is just plain sad.
Question for the lawyers on board:
With the suspect having 3 signed warrants of Capital Murder, whats his chances of getting the death penalty?
I'd think in Lee County, pretty good.
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The suspect is from Montgomery and has priors. I really hope they can find him soon.
Listening to the Chief, it sounded like if the dude is in his stomping grounds, he won't be able to breathe without someone knowing it. And I can tell you this. The po po going to make everyone in his 'hood so miserable, if he's there, they will give him up.
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HABOTN â€@HABOTN
Witness didn't know gunman, said the gunman "had that Montgomery swag, so we all thought he was from Montgomery."
Witness described Montgomery Swag as "huge gold earrings" among other wardrobe choices.
Well...they were right. Desmonte Leonard.
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Desmonte's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000696828389
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Dawson said Desmonte Leonard is from Montgomery, and he has no connection with Auburn.
Suspect Desmonte Leonard sued for child support FRIDAY in Montgomery Circuit Court by mother who claims he fathered her daughter in 2011.
U.S. Marshals confirm they are actively involved in the search for Auburn shooting suspect Desmonte Leonard in... http://fb.me/25ILzwimW
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Just heard that Mack didn't make it. He was being air lifted to UAB. There were 5 or 6 other students that were shot as well, not sure if any more were football players or not, not really sure if Eric Mack died either...could've been one of the others, either way it's fuckin' horrible. Prays sent to the families of all of the victims. Still not sure if they've gotten the suspect or suspects.
You have unquestionably the worst sources for information. Do yourself a tremendous favor and distance yourself from them.
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Skreetz cain't be wrong! Unless they are.
This doesn't have a fucking thing to do with skreets, you fucking retarded ape. Those were reports that were coming out at the time. Did you not fucking see where I stated I wasn't sure about Mack? Fuck you and Pell City.
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Did you not fucking see where I stated I wasn't sure about Mack?
Unless you were.
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This doesn't have a fucking thing to do with skreets, you fucking retarded ape. Those were reports that were coming out at the time. Did you not fucking see where I stated I wasn't sure about Mack? Fuck you and Pell City.
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If he's as stupid as I think he is, he may get the death penalty before he is arrested. Fuck 'em.
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Listening to the Chief, it sounded like if the dude is in his stomping grounds, he won't be able to breathe without someone knowing it. And I can tell you this. The po po going to make everyone in his 'hood so miserable, if he's there, they will give him up.
They on hizz ass "like stink on bama".
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If he's as stupid as I think he is, he may get the death penalty before he is arrested. Fuck 'em.
You may be right but in this instance, I'd rather see the sombitch fry. However, there are a number of wonderful things I would like to do to this stupid fuck face if he came across my path. I can tell you that he'd never be heard from again.
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Typical bammers... :rolleyes:
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Typical bammers... :rolleyes:
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Theyz highly edumacated.
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Spoke too soon about Thamel...should have figured his report would contain some irrelevant slander like this:
The shooting continues a trying period for Auburn’s athletic department off the field. In March, a Yahoo Sports report revealed that the FBI was investigating a former basketball player, Varez Ward, for shaving points during his college career. Auburn officials acknowledged that it had made a report to the F.B.I., but little has been said or reported on the case since.
Then in April, a former football player, Antonio Goodwin, was convicted of first-degree robbery. He was one of four men with ties to the Auburn football program who were arrested over the robbery, and the three others are said to face court dates soon. Mr. Goodwin’s trial included testimony that indicated guns and marijuana were part of the culture surrounding the Auburn football program.
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And Thamel breaks the ice.
Fuck all of them.
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Theyz highly edumacated.
I know those fucking hoosiers at Ole Miss will dis this asshole.
https://www.facebook.com/christophermontalbano
She seems fairly classy.
https://www.facebook.com/gayle.green.5
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Presser: http://www.wsfa.com/category/195969/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=7382845
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Spoke too soon about Thamel...should have figured his report would contain some irrelevant slander like this:
Damn, what a dickhead.
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ESPN covered the story.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/8033812/ex-auburn-fullback-ladarious-phillips-lineman-ed-christian-killed-shooting
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8033945
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I know those fucking hoosiers at Ole Miss will dis this asshole.
https://www.facebook.com/christophermontalbano
She seems fairly classy.
https://www.facebook.com/gayle.green.5
Don't think that's the same Christopher Montalbano. There's several others with locked accounts. I'm almost positive it's one of them.
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In 2008, Leonard also was charged with stealing an SUV and carrying a pistol without a permit. Neither case went to trial.
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From Jay Tate:
Hey everyone.
The Advertiser team (intern Ethan Bernal and I) ran across a young man who attended the pool party at The Heights on Saturday night. He was insistent that we not use his name for fear of retribution.
Here is what he had to say:
• The party was held at the pool, but was moved into the adjacent clubhouse because of rain.
• He saw approximately 7 Auburn football players at the event — along with a few of their close friends.
• He said the incident began when an unidentified football player made comments about the alleged gunman’s date for the party. The unidentified player didn’t back down when asked to do so.
• The gunman was hit over the head with a pair of bottles.
http://madvertiserblogs.com/HABOTN/2012/06/10/eyewitness-account-from-a-party-goer/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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From Jay Tate:
http://madvertiserblogs.com/HABOTN/2012/06/10/eyewitness-account-from-a-party-goer/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Sounds like a case where a gun gave the shooter a whole helluva lot of confidence. Some sketchy so called news but this does resemble other accounts in earlier links. Although, the earlier links seemed to indicate the one busting heads with beer bottles was not a football player.
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This doesn't have a fucking thing to do with skreets, you fucking retarded ape. Those were reports that were coming out at the time. Did you not fucking see where I stated I wasn't sure about Mack? Fuck you and Pell City.
Your post, as usual, didn't really say shit. You had every base covered in true David K. Ward fashion.The reports I read early this morning (read at 2:47am, but posted some time earlier) said that Mack was at EAMC, had tweeted his thanks for the prayers, and that he was alright. This was a full hour & a half before your little "nugget" of information appeared on your little red drill press phone saying he was either dead (or not) and had been airlifted to UAB (or not). My point is your "source" is a fucking water head.
No finger was ever pointed directly at you. Feel free to continue clanking away on your cymbals, circus monkey.
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Your post, as usual, didn't really say shit. You had every base covered in true David K. Ward fashion.The reports I read early this morning (read at 2:47am, but posted some time earlier) said that Mack was at EAMC, had tweeted his thanks for the prayers, and that he was alright. This was a full hour & a half before your little "nugget" of information appeared on your little red drill press phone saying he was either dead (or not) and had been airlifted to UAB (or not). My point is your "source" is a fucking water head.
No finger was ever pointed directly at you. Feel free to continue clanking away on your cymbals, circus monkey.
:rofl: "waterhead" :rofl:
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Voice of reason Barrett Sallee is combatting idiot bammer and ug trolls
https://twitter.com/#!/BarrettSallee
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@seebriansbrain
@kennysmith @AubOrange A gun borrowed from a teammate's girlfriend and synthetic gas station stuff are hardly the foundation of a "culture."
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Voice of reason Barrett Sallee is combatting idiot bammer and ug trolls
https://twitter.com/#!/BarrettSallee
He's gonna have his hands full.
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Voice of reason Barrett Sallee is combatting idiot bammer and ug trolls
https://twitter.com/#!/BarrettSallee
Just in case anyone needs some ammo against any waterheads, the violent crime rate in Tuscaloosa is 1 in 194. The violent crime rate in Auburn is 1 in 643.
So unless they are the 4 out of the 5 that enjoy gang rape or some other violent crime, then I would suggest staying away from West Vance.
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Just in case anyone needs some ammo against any waterheads, the violent crime rate in Tuscaloosa is 1 in 194. The violent crime rate in Auburn is 1 in 643.
So unless they are the 4 out of the 5 that enjoy gang rape or some other violent crime, then I would suggest staying away from West Vance.
Use this link.
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/11/xxx.html
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Use this link.
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/11/xxx.html
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Pulled mine from here.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150845412391459&set=p.10150845412391459&type=1&theater¬if_t=like
:facepalm:
Another example of bammer trash. This guy needs a swift punch in the face.
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150845412391459&set=p.10150845412391459&type=1&theater¬if_t=like
:facepalm:
Another example of bammer trash. This guy needs a swift punch in the face.
What was it? That page is no longer available.
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It's there, I'm looking at it. Roger Humphries is a fat fucking piece of shit.
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For some people, the rivalry knows no bounds. Fucking morons.
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These type of morons scare me...no fucking perception of reality. The problem is this seems like it is becoming more of the norm.
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The bammer fringe. I know those cocksuckers and they will exploit this. So, I say to them, :fu:
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It's there, I'm looking at it. Roger Humphries is a fat fucking piece of shit.
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My FB warn meter is probably spiked today for the sweet pm that I sent to him.
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A FB warn meter is a hangover from the drill press
nation family. Fuck FB.
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The trough of classless bammers on social media is endless.
https://twitter.com/#!/BamaSD
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AUBURN, Alabama -- Eric Mack says he was so concerned about his fallen friends that he didn't realize he had been shot at the scene of a deadly shooting Saturday night.
The Auburn offensive lineman, who was hit in the buttocks, found two of his former teammates dead or dying, and three others hit.
"I just wanted to make sure everybody was safe," Mack told the Times and Democrat in Orangeburg, S.C., a newspaper near his hometown of St. Matthews. "I wasn't even worried about myself. When I first found out I got shot, I didn't even really realize it. I was still walking around checking on my teammates making sure they were all right.
"I just couldn't believe it. It just seemed unreal. Even now, it still seems unreal. I couldn't believe it."
Former teammates Ed Christian and Ladarious Phillips were killed, as was Auburn resident DeMario Pitts at the shooting at University Heights apartments. John Robertson is in critical condition at UAB Hospital in Auburn. Xavier was treated and released the night of the shooting, and Mack was released from the East Alabama Medical Center on Sunday.
Mack told the newspaper that his thoughts turned to his 4-year-old daughter, Kaliyah, immediately after the shooting .
"My daughter was on my mind ever since last night when I heard the gunshots," Mack said. "That's the first thing I thought about. I thought, 'If I don't make it home, who's going to take care of her?' That's what lifted my spirit. When I talked to her, that was really good for me."
Mack said the incident "was definitely an eye opener for me. I actually look at it as motivation. Now I can go out there and do something for myself and my family...especially for my teammates' families. Because they're not here to do it for them, I feel like that's one of my responsibilities now."
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/i_just_couldnt_believe_it_aubu.html#incart_river_default
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/i_just_couldnt_believe_it_aubu.html#incart_river_default
Damn man, I just can't imagine how Mack must be feeling right now. It saddens me. The whole damn
thing saddens me.
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Mack's going through a whole host of emotions. But basically he is in the grieving process as is everyone else. The healthiest thing to do right for us is ignore the media. I mean shut it off. That's what I'm doing.
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Thought it may be a safe time to listen to JOX without typical bammer bullshit.
I was wrong.
"Jay, you ever seen anythang lak at while you's at Bama? I was there bout when you wuz, and I ain't never seen nothin like no guns an stuff."
Jay agreed, he was never around anyone that ever thought about bringing out a gun at a party.
Well guess what, I was at Auburn less than 10 years ago, and I never saw it either.
Everyone not at this pool party hasn't either, considering this is obviously not an every day occurrence, and it was brought in from Montgomery by someone who didn't even live in Auburn, let alone go to school or play football there.
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Most of the major crimes committed in Auburn are by people from Opelika, Montgomery, Columbus, Valley and Phenix City/Smiths.
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Trash from Montgomery. This would not have happened on Emory's watch. The thug would have been tagged and bagged a few years earlier. Montgomery is steadily becoming the armpit of Alabama.
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Thought it may be a safe time to listen to JOX without typical bammer bullshit.
I was wrong.
"Jay, you ever seen anythang lak at while you's at Bama? I was there bout when you wuz, and I ain't never seen nothin like no guns an stuff."
Jay agreed, he was never around anyone that ever thought about bringing out a gun at a party.
Well guess what, I was at Auburn less than 10 years ago, and I never saw it either.
Everyone not at this pool party hasn't either, considering this is obviously not an every day occurrence, and it was brought in from Montgomery by someone who didn't even live in Auburn, let alone go to school or play football there.
Please redirect them to the Crime Stats and the bad areas of Tuscaloosa/the Strip. There are places in that town that are downright scary to be in at night.
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Thought it may be a safe time to listen to JOX without typical bammer bullshit.
I was wrong.
"Jay, you ever seen anythang lak at while you's at Bama? I was there bout when you wuz, and I ain't never seen nothin like no guns an stuff."
Jay agreed, he was never around anyone that ever thought about bringing out a gun at a party.
Well guess what, I was at Auburn less than 10 years ago, and I never saw it either.
Everyone not at this pool party hasn't either, considering this is obviously not an every day occurrence, and it was brought in from Montgomery by someone who didn't even live in Auburn, let alone go to school or play football there.
I thought about listening today because I knew they would be spouting this kind of bullshit. Decided that since I knew they would be doing it, I shouldn't listen.
Just wait until Finebaum. He'll be legendary today.
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http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Phillips-blog-Why-Why-Why-76843
To all those Alabama fans and others who have, in numerous ways, offered condolences and prayer for the families of the victims of Saturday night's shootings in Auburn, I salute you for your compassion and knowing when rivalries matter and when they don't.
Senior Editor Phillip Marshall
To the much smaller group of people who have sent me messages bordering on gleeful, well, that says a lot about you..
The fact is that the tragedy of Saturday night is not about Auburn University or Auburn, Ala., which has one of the lower crime rates in the state of Alabama and beyond. It is certainly not about the Auburn football team, other than grief-stricken players and coaches.
It's about three young men who lost their lives before they even had an opportunity to live them, another who was fighting for his life on Sunday and two others who were wounded.
It's certainly not about some sort of impact this all could supposedly have on Auburn recruiting. Anyone thinking about that today is thinking about the wrong thing.
It's about Ed Christian, a good and kind person who had to give up football because of a back injury but remained a favorite of his teammates and others in the community. It's not surprising that he is reported to have been trying to be a peacemaker when he died.
It's about Ladarious Phillips who, on a typical day in his senior year at Handley High School, left school at noon and reported to his job delivering and moving furniture to help his disabled mother make ends meet. After that, he lifted weights or ran in preparation for the opportunity that awaited him.
It's about Eric Mack and Xavier Moss, who narrowly avoided losing their lives.
It really doesn't matter which ones were football players, former players or not players at all.
It's about Demario Pitts, who left behind two young children.
It's about John Robertson, fighting for his life in a Birmingham hospital.
It's about devastated families and grieving friends.
It's even about Desmonte Leonard's family, surely grieving, too, because if he is guilty, his life is all but over.
And we all have the same question. Why? Why? Why? And there really is no good answer.
Somber Auburn police chief Tommy Dawson met with reporters early Sunday afternoon.
"It's sickening that these young lives were cut short, and also the shooter is such a young man," Dawson said. "As a society, we have to learn the value of life again. If I could bring them back today for their parents, I would. Unfortunately, I can't do that. To the family of these victims, we're very sorry. We're grieving with you."
What a sad and troubling weekend.
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It's sad that there is a reason to write this article. I've said it once, and I'll say it again. This rivalry needs another extended break.
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It's sad that there is a reason to write this article. I've said it once, and I'll say it again. This rivalry needs another extended break.
I agree
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Pulled mine from here.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/
Specifically,
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/al/auburn/crime/
vs.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/al/tuscaloosa/crime/
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It's sad that there is a reason to write this article. I've said it once, and I'll say it again. This rivalry needs another extended break.
As my father says, not every Alabama fan is a redneck, but every redneck is an Alabama fan.
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Barrett on point.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1216837-auburn-football-shooting-incident-isnt-an-indictment-of-tiger-football-program
Auburn Football: Shooting Incident Isn't an Indictment of Tiger Football Program
Saturday's tragic shooting at an Auburn apartment complex has drawn national headlines. The rampage killed former Tiger football players Ed Christian and Ladarious Phillips and Auburn resident Demario Pitts. In addition, the incident injured current Tiger offensive lineman Eric Mack, along with Xavier Moss and John Robertson.
Some reports of the event, including a story in the New York Times, have used other negative off-field incidents involving the football program to develop context of the shooting rampage.
Those incidents include the recent point-shaving scandal involving Auburn basketball player Varez Ward, last year's armed robbery in which former Auburn players were charged with the crime and a reference to guns and marijuana being part of the "culture around the Auburn football program."
Think about that for a second.
The three victims in this case that are associated with the Auburn football program weren't shaving points, there's no indication that they were robbing anyone, and as far as we know, they weren't under the influence of marijuana nor were they carrying weapons.
So what do those incidents have to do with the tragic events that took place at an Auburn apartment complex on Saturday night?
Nothing.
It's an attempt to add context to an event that doesn't need added context, using events that are taken out of context.
The incident Saturday night isn't an indictment of the Auburn football program and really has nothing to do with it, other than the fact that three of the victims either are or were associated with the program.
According to Jay G. Tate of the Montgomery Advertiser, one eyewitness claims that the incident started when an unidentified Auburn player made comments about a woman who was with the suspected shooter.
If we start indicting football programs that have players who get in arguments over women, we would indict every team in college football—along with virtually every fraternity, honors society, band, club and every other campus organization.
That's not justification for murder, nor is it an indictment of Auburn's football program in any way, shape or form.
This event tragically cut short the lives of three young men and injured three others. The focus should be on praying for them and their families and finding the person or people responsible, not the Auburn football program.
Comments:
OLD SCHOOL BAMA FAN posted about 1 hour ago Contributor I
Dissenting Opinion: This was a tragic event and the responsibility lies with the shooter solely. This does not take away from Auburn being a great university no more than the Va. Tech shooting did to it. However, I do not see the type of mentoring programs done at Alabama being done at Auburn for these young athletes. I've heard Saban preach "While you have freedom of choice you dont have freedom of consequences" many times and they bring in outside speakers on a routine bases to talk about moral issues. It is a fact that alot of these kids come from the inner city, broken homes and need a strong moral compass to guide them through to maturity.
On this web site there are numberous disscussion on who was the greatest coach etc and I tried to indicate it more than wins & losses. While Saban is not as "likeable" in the media behind the scenes he's getting that job done, which will affect these kids, young men the rest of their lives.
Auburn is a great school, incidents like should this give us pause and ask is there enough being done.
So in other words, Saban would have willed this to not happen at Bama...
More from this dipshit:
OLD SCHOOL BAMA FAN posted 3 minutes ago Contributor I
Ok, both my kids graduated from AU so I know the school real well. First, where this took place is a well known for where AU football players live off campus and hang out. Believe me I know "fallen human nature" very well and realize individuals have to answer for their actions. Nothing to do with the Auburn football program? Two former players and one current player shot can't get anymore personal so to speak. At some point someone had a choice to walk away and not escaulate the situation, call the police, or stay.
Barrett responds:
How would mentoring programs have prevented the victims from going to an off-campus party - something that every college student does? What specific mentoring programs shelter college students to that degree? None. It doesn't happen. They don't exist.
Unbelievable.
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Lars Anderson: One of the good ones.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/lars_anderson/06/11/auburn-shootings/index.html
Auburn community shaken in wake of senseless weekend killings
AUBURN, Ala. -- The trucks and cars were lined 34 in a row on a quiet street in Auburn, Ala., on Sunday evening, only yards away from where the blood was shed. Television broadcasters put on makeup, holding mirrors close to their well-coifed heads, while other reporters paced back and forth, looking at the crime scene tape and trying to understand what had happened here only hours earlier.
This is what we know: At 10:03 p.m. on Saturday, police in Auburn received word that multiple gunshots had been fired at the University Heights apartment clubhouse, where a pool party was being held. Minutes later arriving officers found Edward Christian, 20, an Auburn football player who was off the team because of an injury, dead on the scene. Former Tiger player Ladarious Philip, 20, and Demario Pitts, also 20, died later at a local hospital. Two other people, including current Auburn offensive lineman Eric Mack, 20, were taken to a hospital in Opelika, a nearby town. (Mack is expected to make a full recovery.)
According to reports, about 50 people were enjoying a carefree, relatively quiet night by the pool when an argument erupted over a woman. Words were exchanged and, minutes later, shots were fired. As of Monday morning, police were searching for Desmonte Leonard, 22, of Montgomery, Ala., who is charged with three counts of capital murder. Officials are offering a $15,000 reward for information leading to his arrest.
After spending more than 12 hours in Auburn reporting on this tragedy -- talking to locals, police officers, hospital workers at a morgue, Tiger athletes -- it's clear this was nothing more than a senseless act of violence. This is not a story about a football program out of control or a narrative of players doing the wrong thing at the wrong hour. This is a tragic tale of someone having a gun -- someone who, according to police, was charged in 2008 with carrying a gun without a permit -- and using it with reckless and deadly abandon.
I'm based in Birmingham, and over the last three years I've spent a lot of time with Tiger coach Gene Chizik. His main pitch to recruits is that if they come to Auburn, they will be part of a tight-knit family. The notion of family flavors everything -- everything -- Chizik does at the school, from how he talks to players in his office to how he treats his assistants to how he'll often call a player's mother just to check in. With Chizik, a deeply religious man, the idea of family isn't merely lip service.
And so what transpired Saturday night shook the Auburn coach to his core. Chizik said he was "devastated" and labeled it a "sad, sad day for everyone associated with the Auburn family."
Late on Sunday afternoon, as a cold rain fell from the Southern sky, an Auburn fan stood across the street from where the killings had occurred. He had tears in his eyes. "Football is just so huge here and I don't think people in other parts of the country can grasp just what it means to our lives in Auburn," he said. "You never want this type of media coverage, but this was just a case of bloodlust and being stupid. People were killed and many, many lives were ruined for nothing. For nothing."
And then he kept walking, with his head down, through the rain.
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SI.com gets it too - they are the ONLY ONES so far to point out that the guys who got into the argument with the shooter were not Auburn students or players.
Turquorius Vines, 23, said he was at the party Saturday evening at the University Heights apartments with one of his friend, Pitts. He said he and his friend were approached by two other men who started arguing with them over a woman.
Vines said he punched one of the men, while Pitts hit both of the men over the head with a bottle. Either one or both of the two men then started shooting, he said. He said Pitts was shot and killed, while two others also were hit by gunfire. Vines said he had never met the men he was arguing with.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/06/11/auburn-shooting.ap/index.html#ixzz1xVMFcr7o (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/06/11/auburn-shooting.ap/index.html#ixzz1xVMFcr7o)
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SI.com gets it too - they are the ONLY ONES so far to point out that the guys who got into the argument with the shooter were not Auburn students or players.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/06/11/auburn-shooting.ap/index.html#ixzz1xVMFcr7o (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/06/11/auburn-shooting.ap/index.html#ixzz1xVMFcr7o)
Not exactly the only ones...
Only about 4,010 did. (https://www.google.com/search?q=AUBURN%2C+Ala.+%28AP%29+--+Authorities+searched+Monday+for+a+gunman+suspected+of+killing+three+people+and+wounding+three+others+in+a+weekend+shooting+at+a+pool+party+near+Auburn+University+that+a+witness+said+began+with+a+fight+over+a+woman.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=5fo&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Vines+said+he+punched+one+of+the+men%2C+while+Pitts+hit+both+of+the+men+over+the+head+with+a+bottle.+Either+one+or+both+of+the+two+men+then+started+shooting%2C%22&oq=%22Vines+said+he+punched+one+of+the+men%2C+while+Pitts+hit+both+of+the+men+over+the+head+with+a+bottle.+Either+one+or+both+of+the+two+men+then+started+shooting%2C%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_l=serp.3...5427.6570.4.7076.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.ckh.1.0.3.33rsO0SQ05Y&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=2c28600f8845ebba&biw=1366&bih=604)
It was an AP Story.
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@chambc1: In Montgomery, officers took into custody Jeremy Thomas of Montgomery he was a person of interest. Gave false info to police.
@chambc1: 18-year-old Jeremy Thomas was at the shooting Saturday night, he is facing hindering prosecution.
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A quick check of Desmonte Leonard has him with some child support and paternity cases. He also has a 2009 Assault 2nd Degree and one carrying a pistol w/o a license in 2008. I know this has nothing to do with it but I found it interesting that he's listed as 5'7" and 150 lbs. I just get the picture of someone who thought he was gonna' show all these big, bad ass dudes wassup.
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Not exactly the only ones...
It was an AP Story.
I meant versus ESPN and other "sports" reporting. There has been some SERIOUSLY selective editing in each of these articles based on the SAME AP report, depending on the reporter/website.
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I meant versus ESPN and other "sports" reporting. There has been some SERIOUSLY selective editing in each of these articles based on the SAME AP report, depending on the reporter/website.
It seems the articles are coming into more of an alignment now. At least from what I've read.
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Some fucking morons make me want to vomit! If you're a redneck bammer, you have to hate Auburn, everything Auburn, and talk shit about it no matter what it is. The fact that the "Arn Bole" and Nasheenul Champuychips is you're entire life means you have to make anything that happens like this at Auburn somehow reflect poorly on the Football program. So, you bring up Saybinz "mentoring programs" to show how that keeps his player from being random victims of violent crimes. You have to assume the player that got shot "had it coming" or "started it". And, when no credible source will tell you what you want to hear, you claim it's a "culture of cover up" down there.
FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU GODDAMN BAMMERS THAT EVEN MENTIONS DISCIPLINE WITHIN THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM, OR HOW SAYBINZ PREVENTS THIS SHIT, OR HOW CHIZIK COULD HAVE PREVENTED IT, OR ANY OTHER STUPID FUCKING BULLSHIT YOU NEED TO BELIEVE BECAUSE YOU HATE AUBURN. FUCKING SACKS OF WORTHLESS SHIT, EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU! YOU'RE PATHETIC LIVES ATTACH EVERYTHING TO THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM AT BAMMER AND THE RIVALRY. I'LL ECHO WHAT GH SAID, I'M TIRED OF EVEN BEING ASSOCIATED WITH BAMMER IN ANY WAY, EVEN IF IT'S JUST THROUGH BEING IN THE SAME STATE OR PLAYING THE GAME. CANCEL THE IRON BOWL FOR ALL I CARE.
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Some fucking morons make me want to vomit! If you're a redneck bammer, you have to hate Auburn, everything Auburn, and talk shit about it no matter what it is. The fact that the "Arn Bole" and Nasheenul Champuychips is you're entire life means you have to make anything that happens like this at Auburn somehow reflect poorly on the Football program. So, you bring up Saybinz "mentoring programs" to show how that keeps his player from being random victims of violent crimes. You have to assume the player that got shot "had it coming" or "started it". And, when no credible source will tell you what you want to hear, you claim it's a "culture of cover up" down there.
FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU GODDAMN BAMMERS THAT EVEN MENTIONS DISCIPLINE WITHIN THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM, OR HOW SAYBINZ PREVENTS THIS SHIT, OR HOW CHIZIK COULD HAVE PREVENTED IT, OR ANY OTHER STUPID FUCKING BULLSHIT YOU NEED TO BELIEVE BECAUSE YOU HATE AUBURN. FUCKING SACKS OF WORTHLESS SHIT, EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU! YOU'RE PATHETIC LIVES ATTACH EVERYTHING TO THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM AT BAMMER AND THE RIVALRY. I'LL ECHO WHAT GH SAID, I'M TIRED OF EVEN BEING ASSOCIATED WITH BAMMER IN ANY WAY, EVEN IF IT'S JUST THROUGH BEING IN THE SAME STATE OR PLAYING THE GAME. CANCEL THE IRON BOWL FOR ALL I CARE.
Something vexes thee?
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Something vexes thee?
No, I think his 'Caps Lock' got stuck.
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Say it babe
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Something vexes thee?
I believe he needs a Tylenol.
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I believe he needs a Tylenol.
I need bammers to disappear from the face of the earth.
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I need bammers to disappear from the face of the earth.
I hear this guy may be available.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jb8j92hsNgs/TAz-klJjosI/AAAAAAAACcg/KzR_YZPqBcI/s1600/tournament-3-small.jpg)
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Something vexes thee?
Jim angers easy at Bammers.
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It's sad that there is a reason to write this article. I've said it once, and I'll say it again. This rivalry needs another extended break.
Best post in 7 pages.
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Jim angers easy at Bammers.
Lately, yeah.
:hulk:
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Lately, yeah.
:hulk:
I see why it does.
This is a chance for them to show they are human and to take the high road. And they don't. They could look past football for a min and think about this as humans. But they don't. If they don't do it during a situation like this, then they never will.
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So for those wanting to keep up:
Jeremy Thomas, 18 , who was one of the two "people of interest" that were at the party, was arrested and is being interrogated.
Gabriel Thomas, 41, who is unrelated to Jeremy, was arrested for providing false information in the pursuit of primary suspect Desmonte Leonard.
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http://www.abc3340.com/story/18757956/two-arrests-made-in-connection-with-auburn-shootings (http://www.abc3340.com/story/18757956/two-arrests-made-in-connection-with-auburn-shootings)
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Another example of bammer class...
https://twitter.com/#!/sw_BAMAhammer
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http://bamahammer.com/2012/06/11/auburn-shootings-raise-uncomfortable-questions/
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Auburn Shootings Raise Uncomfortable Questions
Jun 11th, 2012 at 7:06 am by tonyorlandoOpinion
The Auburn shootings in the early hours of June 10 are being reported on and debated in all corners. As what facts we have are dissected and commented upon, there are calls for unity in the spirit of empathy for the victims, as happened last year when Tuscaloosa was ripped apart by a tornado.
We should not, however, be quick to compare this incident to a weather occurrence, that – trailer park jokes aside – hit people of all races, classes and societal boundaries, without motivation or prejudice. This was not a random act of weather. It was an act of violence with motive.
It’s true that sports rivalries are insignificant in the face of this tragedy. Indeed, our hearts – and those of all Crimson Tide fans – go out to the families of the young men killed Sunday morning. Our prayers are that they can find peace in the days to come, and that those responsible are brought to justice.
But tragedy, and the resulting calls for unity shouldn’t drown out honest questions. By allowing our emotions and fear of giving or receiving offense to cloud our ability to think critically, it hinders the pursuit of the uncomfortable truth.
Auburn Police chief Tommy Dawson finally met with the media – after a fifteen-hour delay – to address the ongoing investigation. In his remarks he exercised an interesting bit of selective discretion, noting that in addition to armed fugitive Desmonte Leonard, the Auburn police department were looking for a pair of unnamed ‘persons of interest’ to come forward. Though he declined to give many details on the investigation, he did allow himself one bit of commentary:
The only connection that the Auburn football team has to this is that they are victims of a brutal shooting. Sometimes the young men get a bad rap, I feel like, but they are the victims today.
No one seems to be saying that Auburn University bears responsibility, outside of the overheated rhetoric on the message boards. But it’s at minimum odd that he would go out of his way to insist that though at least three current or former Auburn players were involved, it has no bearing on the case.
Montgomery Advertiser Auburn blogger Jay Tate has spoken with an anonymous witness to the shootings:
He saw approximately 7 Auburn football players at the event — along with a few of their close friends. He said the incident began when an unidentified football player made comments about the alleged gunman’s date for the party. The unidentified player didn’t back down when asked to do so.
The New York Times notes that these are trying times for Auburn’s athletic department:
In March, a Yahoo Sports report revealed that the FBI was investigating a former basketball player, Varez Ward, for shaving points during his college career. Auburn officials acknowledged that it had made a report to the F.B.I., but little has been said or reported on the case since.
Then in April, a former football player, Antonio Goodwin, was convicted of first-degree robbery. He was one of four men with ties to the Auburn football program who were arrested over the robbery, and the three others are said to face court dates soon. Mr. Goodwin’s trial included testimony that indicated guns and marijuana were part of the culture surrounding the Auburn football program.
Predictably, the Auburn fan base has come out against the article and author Pete Thamel, accusing him of an anti-Auburn bias. We have reached out to Thamel for comment.
This is not, despite what some think, evidence that Auburn football is an asylum run by the inmates. On the other hand, neither is it wholly without merit to ask questions about the culture surrounding the Auburn football program, the editorializing of the Auburn police chief to the contrary.
Fans close ranks and rally around the flag; that’s a luxury afforded fans of a particular sports team. Being a fan can allow emotion and loyalty to school colors and mascots to cloud all objectivity. Part of being a tribe is to ostracize any who dare speak out of step with the party line.
In the face of this senseless tragedy, it is vital that we disregard rivalries and gamesmanship – not only for the sake of those affected, but to be objective in the pursuit of the truth. Sports fans of all stripes should want this.
Auburn football is not a victim. Certain past and current members of the Auburn team are victims, as are their families. But Auburn football – like Alabama and all other teams – should be judged as always, by the actions of its representatives.
Fuck you, bammers. Seriously.
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http://bamahammer.com/2012/06/11/auburn-shootings-raise-uncomfortable-questions/Fuck you, bammers. Seriously.
bammer says: football = life
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bammer says: football > life
FIXT
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FIXT
yeah, true dat!
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Listening to Finebaum now (for the first time in over a year).
He has Lars Anderson on now.
There's a litany of things that you could lump this in with, but I just don't think you can. And I know that New York Times story upset a lot of people in Auburn. You know it's just trying to smear the school, and lumping this in with everything else, where I don't think you can throw this in there. And Auburn does have a perception problem nationally. And I've talked to Gene Chizik about it, and he hates it. I think Gene Chizik is very well equipped to deal with this tragedy, because more than any coach I've ever covered in my eighteen years at Sports Illustrated, he preaches the notion of family so much. The defining thing, if you go to play for coach Chizik, he will recruit you and say you're going to join the family, join the family. And I know that he is absolutely devastated right now, but I think he's the proper guy to lead the program through these really murky waters and just try to make sense of all this, and just try to lead the program forward.
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Listening to Finebaum now (for the first time in over a year).
He has Lars Anderson on now.
Huh. I wonder who created that perception problem?
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Huh. I wonder who created that perception problem?
To be clear, that is Lars speaking, in case you were wondering. I thought it went without saying Finebaum wouldn't say anything that kind about Auburn and/or Chizik.
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Listening to Finebaum now (for the first time in over a year).
He has Lars Anderson on now.
I admit, I tuned in too and heard all that. First time I have tuned in since the 2010 Iron Bowl week.
I like the one line: People are forgetting that this was a couple of Montgomery guys who shot up some Auburn kids they did not know.
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I've been listening from the start. So far, it's been pretty straightforward and PF has stayed respectful without throwing out the obligatory "thought provoking" questions. Plant the seed and open the door for the unwashed to take the discussion to a forum on the thug culture at Auburn.
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I've been listening from the start. So far, it's been pretty straightforward and PF has stayed respectful without throwing out the obligatory "thought provoking" questions. Plant the seed and open the door for the unwashed to take the discussion to a forum on the thug culture at Auburn.
Got to have things to discuss tomorrow.
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"thought provoking" and "bammers" don't belong in the same paragraph.
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He didn't get to where he's at by being a dumbass. The motherfucker is good....today he's all concern and propriety.....but it will come.
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To be clear, that is Lars speaking, in case you were wondering. I thought it went without saying Finebaum wouldn't say anything that kind about Auburn and/or Chizik.
Yea I got that. Was just asking a rhetorical question.
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There's already callers, not surprisingly, insinuating that Auburn PD is covering up something.
Snarking the following: "I heard Christie Hutchison, and also the Birmingham News sports page say that these guys have done nothing wrong".
Paul: "Well, the Auburn police said."
Caller: "Oh, they said that. But the investigation seems to be ongoing."
Paul interrupts saying that "You are correct, everyone has said that there's no evidence that Auburn players have done anything wrong, they're innocent victims, yeah, they've said that, you are correct."
Caller: "Right. Well I'd just like to hear more before we proclaim everybody exonerated, you know."
"What I'm sayin is, if you're at a place where bottles are being thrown, and women have had children from multiple men, and usually that's the case at black gatherings..."
Paul: "Hold on a second, pal, what did you just say?"
He then goes on a racist rant about the sanctity of marriage :facepalm:
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"What I'm sayin is, if you're at a place where bottles are being thrown, and women have had children from multiple men, and usually that's the case at black gatherings..."
Rooooooooooowe Tahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhd!
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And it begins...
A caller claiming to be a parent of an Auburn student (I don't believe it) is irate with Auburn University for not calling him Saturday night immediately after the incident took place "like they do at other schools".
What the fuck good would that have done?
Finebaum coyly says to the audience, "Well, you can take away from that whatever you want, but this man is a parent of a student at Auburn, and maybe he's right...
Then he goes on to imply that Auburn, the city, the university, the athletic department, and the fans, are trying to control the perception of the shooting.
No shit, because of assholes like you and Thamel that try as desperately as they can to spin anything and everything, even a tragedy like this, to be a black eye on Auburn.
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Rooooooooooowe Tahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhd!
It may be too soon, but I chortled at this. Great timing my friend.
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And it begins...
A caller claiming to be a parent of an Auburn student (I don't believe it) is irate with Auburn University for not calling him Saturday night immediately after the incident took place "like they do at other schools".
What the fuck good would that have done?
Finebaum coyly says to the audience, "Well, you can take away from that whatever you want, but this man is a parent of a student at Auburn, and maybe he's right...
Then he goes on to imply that Auburn, the city, the university, the athletic department, and the fans, are trying to control the perception of the shooting.
No shit, because of assholes like you and Thamel that try as desperately as they can to spin anything and everything, even a tragedy like this, to be a black eye on Auburn.
Yeah, that guy was a tool. And I think an obvious plant.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/44606/video-arrests-made-in-auburn-case
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This is the 3rd time PF has said, "I guarantee you when it all comes out, the story won't look anything like the one we're being told today."
Really? Why is that? Every eye witness account has said the same damn thing. Why even say that? Why did I even ask that question?
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This is the 3rd time PF has said, "I guarantee you when it all comes out, the story won't look anything like the one we're being told today."
Really? Why is that? Every eye witness account has said the same damn thing. Why even say that? Why did I even ask that question?
Well of course the coverup is on.
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Well of course the coverup is on.
I blame Cam Newton, he started the thug culture. What with the smiling and helping the school children.
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Well of course the coverup is on.
Coming up after the break, a long-time friend of the show, Mr. Danny Sheridan, will join us to offer up his odds on Gene Chizik getting arrested for his involvement in the Pool Party Pandemonium.
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Caller now saying "one of the players" hit two guys over the head with some beer bottles, and said that this is a case of self defense.
:facepalm:
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Caller now saying "one of the players" hit two guys over the head with some beer bottles, and said that this is a case of self defense.
Thanks for the call, Bubba from Sand Mountain.
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God dammit. I really was going to give Finebaum the benefit of the doubt.
He's completely 180'ed from when he was talking to Lars earlier.
About 5 people have called in bitching about Auburn not contacting parents immediately after the incident.
Fuckwads, first of all, this was not on campus. Secondly, what the fuck would that have done? For parents to be called at 2am to be told there's a shooting in Auburn? Did Alabama parents get a call when those bama players got shot at on the strip? Where was the outrage there?
Then this guy calls...
"Hey Pawwwl. I think we all acknowledge that it's a tragedy, but I think we also have to go beyond that and start wondering, is this a bigger problem at Auburn. You look at Michael Dyer and his testimony about how he was high all the time, and how it was his gun that was involved in the robbery with those other football players. Now you have this. And then this same apartment complex apparently about a month ago, it was reported in the paper that there was a guy there with guns and a pound of marijuana. So at some point you've gotta start looking at the obvious."
Paul: "What's the obvious to you?" there he goes, leading again
Caller: "That there's a problem, either in, or circling around this football team with guns and drugs."
Paul: "Jerry, I don't know how to answer that. And you certainly have stated some facts, and I think we all know those facts. Whether you can connect the dots and blame this or not, I'm struggling to know. I mean, everyone knows the facts here in this case, at least in terms of who was killed and who was injured. We don't know who was at the party. One would assume, and I think it'd be a pretty easy assumption, that other Auburn players were there, but can you connect one dot to the next, and then come to some broad generalization, I don't know."
Caller: "Well, I think you can make a pretty strong case based on what I just said and based on what's being reported that it's there. And it seems like there's a lot of people going out of their way not to state the obvious."
Paul: "(leading again)Why do you think, or why would that be the case?"
Caller: "Well, I can't speak for anybody but myself, but I think they're trying to do damage control to the football team. And the university."
Paul: "Wouldn't be the first time, Jerry."
Caller: "Nope. Sure wouldn't."
FUCK YOU, FINEBAUM. Didn't take long at all for this to take a disgusting turn for the worse.
People have lost their goddamn minds even insinuating that these guys were up to know good by being at a fucking POOL PARTY at an apartment complex. They're supposed to psychically know that some asshole brought a gun and planned to use it on them? Insane that the victims are being blamed here.
I really thought I'd be able to listen today without my blood boiling. I really thought Paul would cull the bullshit, at least for the first day. Nope.
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Finebaum now reporting the first eyewitness account in which Turquorius Vines said that he himself punched a guy and that his other non-football player friend broke the bottles over the shooter's head. Poo-pooing that away as "contradicting" what Jay G. Tate's witness said. Jay Tate's never said it was an Auburn football player who broke the bottle over the dude's head, so what the FUCK is he talking about? Let alone that jives with what the police have said (Oh right, they're in the coverup to protect the football program).
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I listened off and on the past hour and a half. Exactly what I expected.
He's such a motherfucker.
And Jay Fucking Tate's story is still causing bullshit for Auburn. "UNIDENTIFIED." That's not fucking credible. It means nothing. It's Scott Templeton bullshit.
Of course Finebaum reads it first. And puts emphasis on the apocryphal "unidentified football player" - so it must be a real football player causing it. Then he reads the story that quotes Turquoisisesesuisesi Vines. And then talks about how stories are contradicting because information isn't straight.
Fuck him.
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Finebaum now reporting the first eyewitness account in which Turquorius Vines said that he himself punched a guy and that his other non-football player friend broke the bottles over the shooter's head. Poo-pooing that away as "contradicting" what Jay G. Tate's witness said. Jay Tate's never said it was an Auburn football player who broke the bottle over the dude's head, so what the FUCK is he talking about? Let alone that jives with what the police have said (Oh right, they're in the coverup to protect the football program).
Jay Tate's original story insinuated it. He may have worded it poorly, but that's how I read it. An unidentified football player started the fight.
Also, unless Finebaum said something new a few minutes ago, he didn't specify that Vines's friend was a non-football player. In fact, if anything, he led the audience to believe that both Vines and Pitts are or were football players.
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Jay Tate's original story insinuated it. He may have worded it poorly, but that's how I read it. An unidentified football player started the fight.
Also, unless Finebaum said something new a few minutes ago, he didn't specify that Vines's friend was a non-football player. In fact, if anything, he led the audience to believe that both Vines and Pitts are or were football players.
No, I noticed he left out that neither were football players.
Jay Tate's story said an Auburn football player made a comment about the girl. Then it says that someone busted a bottle over the dude's head. Tate's article never said anything about a football "starting it" beyond verbally.
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Paul had to drop a call that started, "Remember when the four players burglarized..."
I can only imagine how distasteful that one was if it had to be dropped while this other shit is encouraged...
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I swear, you guys must love torturing yourselves.
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I can't believe any of y'all that thought Finefuck might play this any other way than how he is have sense enough to type words on the computer. I KNEW! I said it Sunday morning when this all broke, that certain quarters would look for a way to spin it bad. And we all know, also, that those same quarters will, if they can't find a fact that suits them, either make one up, or claim it's a cover up. Same idiot bammer shit, different day.
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I can't believe any of y'all that thought Finefuck might play this any other way than how he is have sense enough to type words on the computer. I KNEW! I said it Sunday morning when this all broke, that certain quarters would look for a way to spin it bad. And we all know, also, that those same quarters will, if they can't find a fact that suits them, either make one up, or claim it's a cover up. Same idiot bammer shit, different day.
Caller who was allegedly invited to the party who says he "knows Montae", says he's not a killer. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
He is quite literally a killer.
This caller also said he thinks it's ludicrous that people are blaming Auburn in this.
Paul asks sharply "Well, then who do you blame?"
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Caller who was allegedly invited to the party who says he "knows Montae", says he's not a killer. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
He is quite literally a killer.
This caller also said he thinks it's ludicrous that people are blaming Auburn in this.
Paul asks sharply "Well, then who do you blame?"
And if you backed him in a corner saying he said Auburn is to blame, he'd say "No, I jus asked who is to blame?" And, of course, what it is is a rhetorical question to the statement "Auburn isn't to blame" that implies that Auburn is to blame, but he can always say "I just asked a question" and he can't be called a liar.
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Looks like the fucker is dead.
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EDIT - May be a standoff. Some Tweets are saying ambulances are at the scene, but that may be just for precautionary. You lawyers and cops on the board may know more aobu thtis procedure.
The scene:
(https://p.twimg.com/AvJYohaCIAAuL6B.jpg)
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Some more info:
HABOTN ?@HABOTN
State Trooper chopper, up to 30 law-enforcement vehicles have descended on a home in east Montgomery. Still trying to determine their role.
(https://p.twimg.com/AvJVpYcCMAEjgsF.jpg)
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Looks like he's been zeroed in on, maybe he'll resist.
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Seeing that they're covering it live on WSFA.
Lord, that sounds like good television.
Sad I can't get it. No one knows of an online feed do they?
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HABOTN â€@HABOTN
I received indirect confirmation that this incident is related to the Auburn triple homicide. Just a formality, sure, but now we know.
HABOTN â€@HABOTN
I saw a group of "toughs" go through the front door just before I was relocated. Also saw a border collie removed from the home. Odd.
HABOTN â€@HABOTN
Chopper dropped to within probably 150 feet of the home. Intimidation tactic?
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http://www.wsfa.com/category/218796/wsfa
It's not working for me.
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I got it to work.
Install Silverlight. If you're not getting video, you should be getting that link.
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Same here. This seems like a really nice area for a thus POS like him to be hiding.
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Justin Hokanson ?@JHokanson
Citizen on scene... RT @DrSheems: Desmonte broke into the woman's house and she ran back out when she saw him hiding
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Same here. This seems like a really nice area for a thus POS like him to be hiding.
I was thinking the same thing.
Your next post makes sense.
Explains why it took them so long.
That's back behind St. James. Nice neighborhood. The last place they'll look for that thug.
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I just talked with my mom and she said that someone was interviewed and said that his grandmother lived there...
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If they're taking their vests off, he's either dead or gone. Scary to think he could have gotten away, but I guess if he saw the woman call the cops, he might have taken off.
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Shit. Nevermind. He's in the attic.
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He's alive as of this minute.....
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He's alive as of this minute.....
TIIIIIIIIICK, tick tick tick
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Hopefully not for long.
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East Montgomery? Time to let the warden go in and take care of business.
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This some crazy shit right here.
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This is like the OJ White Bronco chase all over again!!!
I'm glued!!!
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This is like the OJ White Bronco chase all over again!!!
I'm glued!!!
Seriously, Ifeel like a freakin news crack head right now.
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I think they got every law official in the fucking state on the street right now.
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I think they got every law official in the fucking state on the street right now.
Let it be known. You do NOT fuck with our football players.
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Mark whatever his name is on WSFA is s s st st stuttering dipshit.
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Are they trying to smoke him out?
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Are they fucking smoking this dude out?!!
What Buzz said
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They're fucking tear gassing him. Awesome.
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They should roll it with toilet paper and set it on fire.
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They should roll it with toilet paper and set it on fire.
:classic:
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So, did this guy take himself out our what? Meat wagon is on the scene.
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So, did this guy take himself out our what?
Not likely. #demographic
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Is he behind that park bench now?
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Who gives a shit about hockey!
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Really? They are worried about the fucking hockey game?
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Who gives a shit about hockey!
I'll have you know that there were 3 calls to complain.
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This kid is fucking stupid. How does he possibly think this can end well for him. Every second that he drags this on puts his life in more danger.
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Too bad Emory Folmer isn't still mayor. This shit would've already been over and they would be cracking beers by now.
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I'll have you know that there were 3 calls to complain.
:hulk:
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This kid is fucking stupid. How does he possibly think this can end well for him. Every second that he drags this on puts his life in more danger.
There isn't going to be a blaze of glory for this guy.
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There isn't going to be a blaze of glory for this guy.
Looks like a blaze though...
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Looks like they finally got the hint and are dropping the hockey game.
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Live only on Wsfa?
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Live only on Wsfa?
I think so.
http://www.wsfa.com/category/218796/wsfa
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Just curious - What's the hold up? I mean, why not barge in with heavy armored SWAT and take him out?
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Just curious - What's the hold up?
They are holding off until the hockey game is over.
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Its looks like something good has just happened. Presser coming?
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The mayor says they have no contact of him, but they've heard movement and believe he's in there.
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Don't these guys watch cop dramas on the teevees? They don't wait it out...
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I wonder if time is on their side?
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They know "someone" is in the house, and "time is on our side"? BS, they know exaclty who is in there.
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Tah aah ahime, is on our side. Oh yes it is!
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Motherfucker was tear gassed by "a powerful dose" and is still in there. WTF?
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Motherfucker was tear gassed by "a powerful dose" and is still in there. WTF?
Powerful damn lungs, or he's got a gas mask...
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Motherfucker was tear gassed by "a powerful dose" and is still in there. WTF?
He's got Brillo lungs.
Too soon?
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Release the dogs on his ass, followed up by SWAT
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Release the dogs on his ass, followed up by SWAT
^^^This^^^
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You can gut your way through a dose of tear gas, but not dogs!
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Jennifer Oravet said they tear gassed the house. Jay G. Tate was basically saying she was full of shit and just making stuff up.
The police and mayor confirmed it was tear gas.
This chick needs a promotion.
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Not sure a dog can do very well balancing on a roof beam and tearing shit up if in fact dude is in the attic.
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Wonder if we could offer Updyke somewhere to stay tonight?
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News media means this will be followed by the books. Pretty sure the US Marshall's are leading the calvary, and those boys are professional. Unless they are forced, they'll do whatever it takes to get him in front of the judge in perfect health.
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Whats Benji up to these days?
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News media means this will be followed by the books. Pretty sure the US Marshall's are leading the calvary, and those boys are professional. Unless they are forced, they'll do whatever it takes to get him in front of the judge in perfect health.
Wonder if any of them look like that chick that was on that show?
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Jennifer Oravet said they tear gassed the house. Jay G. Tate was basically saying she was full of shit and just making stuff up.
The police and mayor confirmed it was tear gas.
This chick needs a promotion.
Jay was using an unidentified source.
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The weather could mess up this coverage.
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Jay was using an unidentified source.
I suspect it was an undead source.
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The weather could mess up this coverage.
If, IF, there is an entry team on stand by, he better hope like hell the media isn't forced to leave the scene. He will most definitely get his ass kicked if an entry team has an opportunity to get him without 25 cameras waiting to roll live.
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I think that reporter Jennifer should start stripping until this thing goes off.
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SWAT team has entered the house according to Goldberg.
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This fucker is a regular Anne Frank.
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This fucker is a regular Anne Frank.
Did she get gassed?
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SWAT team has entered the house according to Goldberg.
...and the live stream is showing the weather
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This fucker is a regular Anne Frank.
I chortled audibly.
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Did she get gassed?
She died in one of those happy camps.
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SWAT team has entered the house according to Goldberg.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall.
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Looks like Goldberg may be wrong. Mayor is still talking about negotiations.
Whoops. I misunderstood.
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Did she get gassed?
:rimshot:
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I really hope it is the guy. If they're wrong....
The mayor is preparing the media and audience for the possibility of it not being him. Shit. He just said it could maybe not be a human being.
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Thermal imaging indicates it's a human. The coughing would indicate that as well.
If it's not Demonte, who the fuck else would let this escalate to this level?
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Thermal imaging indicates it's a human. The coughing would indicate that as well.
If it's not Demonte, who the fuck else would let this escalate to this level?
Crack head? Bath salts?
No clue. But it's strange that he can handle tear gas like that. And not one bit of communication. What the fuck is he doing up there?
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Crack head? Bath salts?
No clue. But it's strange that he can handle tear gas like that. And not one bit of communication. What the fuck is he doing up there?
Zombie?
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Crack head? Bath salts?
No clue. But it's strange that he can handle tear gas like that. And not one bit of communication. What the fuck is he doing up there?
This lady on WSFA keeps pronouncing "attic" as "addict". Maybe she knows something we don't?
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Could be a crack head that done got aholt of the wrong stuff.
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Could be a crack head that done got aholt of the wrong stuff.
.
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You know, if they set the bottom floor on fire we will get to the bottom of this very quickly.
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You know, if they set the bottom floor on fire we will get to the bottom of this very quickly.
Yep.
I hate to be the over-spoiled, young American male that desires all of my entertainment desires to be satisfied, but damn this is taking a long time.
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Crack head? Bath salts?
No clue. But it's strange that he can handle tear gas like that. And not one bit of communication. What the fuck is he doing up there?
Tear gas ain't shit.
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Tear gas ain't shit.
From a friend:
Tear Gas is virtually useless. With proper ventilation in the attic the gas will dissapate. This is a soldier telling you this.
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By the way, speaking of Anne Frank?
In less than two hours it will be her birthday. Elaborate performance art?
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He's right. Hell we use to p.t. in it. Once the initial couple of minutes of it going off your body gets acclimated to it.
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Fucking shit man! I'm halfway through the terrible movie "Red Tails" and still aint shit happen?!
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By the way, speaking of Anne Frank?
In less than two hours it will be her birthday. Elaborate performance art?
I wonder if he is writing something in that attic..maybe a journal of some sort?
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Random:
There's this:
https://twitter.com/#!/DesmonteLeonard
It's obviously not him. It's just one post, and it's a Chris Tomlin song. However, one person did favorite the post. It's this guy:
https://twitter.com/#!/CoachTonyBarbee
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I wonder if he is writing something in that attic..maybe a journal of some sort?
Maybe we need to invade France.
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Tune back in. Could get interesting.
HABOTN â€@HABOTN
I got the sense that "the play" will be to pull the ceiling/floor out from under him. Make him drop.
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Maybe we need to invade France.
Wasn't she the deaf, dumb, and blind chick?
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I've got to sleep at some point. Can't believe I've been watching this for nearly five hours now...
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I've got to sleep at some point. Can't believe I've been watching this for nearly five hours now...
Same here.
I did a lot of work on the computer today too. My eyes are burning.
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Wasn't she the deaf, dumb, and blind chick?
Naw, that was that kid Tommy. Man, he sure played some mean pinball.
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The Marshals closed the blinds. Shit just got real bad for Demonte.
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Twitter is going ultra AUFamily. It's fair to say that parody Demonte account was in poor taste, but everyone has lost their shit over anyone making any light whatsoever of the situation. WebbHudson (AuburnChopper 3.0) said he has reported all followers of the Demonte account as spam. There are over 2,000 followers on that account, and for the record, I was not one of them.
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Twitter is going ultra AUFamily. It's fair to say that parody Demonte account was in poor taste, but everyone has lost their shit over anyone making any light whatsoever of the situation. WebbHudson (AuburnChopper 3.0) said he has reported all followers of the Demonte account as spam. There are over 2,000 followers on that account, and for the record, I was not one of them.
Definitely poor taste. Quite a few AU football players were upset about it.
I ventured over to Tidefans just to see what the gumps were saying. Fuck them and ESPECIALLY their webmaster in the ass. Fuck all of them.
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Al.com also reporting they are ripping the attic floor out. Bet that homeowner is PISSED. Her homeowners will cover this if she has a decent policy. But still...
So, you ripped out the floor - if he is armed and has nothing to lose, how do you get him out without a cop getting hurt?
And you know damn good and well is is hot as hell in that attic. He has no water. I'd let him dehydrate into a coma.
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Al.com also reporting they are ripping the attic floor out. Bet that homeowner is PISSED. Her homeowners will cover this if she has a decent policy. But still...
So, you ripped out the floor - if he is armed and has nothing to lose, how do you get him out without a cop getting hurt?
And you know damn good and well is is hot as hell in that attic. He has no water. I'd let him dehydrate into a coma.
Every press conference has featured this phrase - "Time is on our side."
I should have know better than to sit here and watch them sweat this guy out.
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Every press conference has featured this phrase - "Time is on our side."
I should have know better than to sit here and watch them sweat this guy out.
But you are taking one for the team, honey. You are my lifeline to real time action!! Al.com SUCKS!!!
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Looks like we're finally about to get a payoff for the waiting.
Shit went down. They turned off the spotlights. Lots of movement outside the house.
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You know, after all this that the suspect has done by hiding out for hours now, you'd think that he has totally blown any chance he had to beating a C murder case by insanity or self defense.
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Looks like we're finally about to get a payoff for the waiting.
Shit went down. They turned off the spotlights. Lots of movement outside the house.
The only movement I want is the one involving a gurney and a Desmonte sized ziplock bag.
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You know, after all this that the suspect has done by hiding out for hours now, you'd think that he has totally blown any chance he had to beating a C murder case by insanity or self defense.
I don't know. Only a mental defective would hide in an attic in Alabama in June.
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About to get an announcement from the mayor.
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FUUUUCCCKK.
No different than earlier. Still only "certain somebody is up there."
They can't fucking find him. He's holed up somewhere. Maybe in the ventilation. Maybe between the wall and the chimney. Going to be a long fucking night.
I'm in it to win it though. I will see this end on live television.
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Justin Hokanson â€@JHokanson
Public Safety: We've looked at options like shutting it all down and putting armed guards all around the house. Pick it up in the morning.
What?
Are they seriously calling this a night?
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Per my dad, MGMY has a good SWAT team. I wonder why the US Marshals get the collar, unless it is to prevent the perception of some damn civil rights violation? Like the MGMY PD couldn't be professional? Some lawyer/PR person no doubt had a hand in this. I mean, why the Feds? The guy never left the state, hell, barely even the county! How did they get jurisdiction?
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Too much politican. FUCK!
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These guys don't sound confident.
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Can you imagine how suck ass it will be for the cops who have to stand guard in the Alabama heat with full body armor on? I'd stand there and in a loud voice, go " Oh, Man! This ice cold water is soooooooo good. Boy it would suck to be in this heat without a big old glass of ice cold water... Mmmmmm"
Here's a thought - you know Del Monte Peas has his cell phone with him. Ten bucks says he knows everything we all do - heck, he may be getting the same WSFA live feed! Maybe the mayor's statement is a fake out...
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These guys don't sound confident.
He's in there. That stupid fucker woulda done facebooked an "LOLZ!!" if he wasn't there.
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This sombitch probably has an I-Phone with all this live.
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Essentially, they think this guy is crawling between the walls or between the floorboards.
I know he's 5'4, but how the fuck does someone do that? And does he really think he's going to survive this?
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Essentially, they think this guy is crawling between the walls or between the floorboards.
I know he's 5'4, but how the fuck does someone do that? And does he really think he's going to survive this?
They should just seal all the windows and doors, wait a week and then follow the smell...
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This is embarrassing. My face is buried in my hands!
The media is talking about the fake twitter account as if it could be possibly be real.
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This is embarrassing. My face is buried in my hands!
The media is talking about the fake twitter account as if it could be possibly be real.
Are they quoting Webb Hudson as a source close to the investigation?
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This is embarrassing. My face is buried in my hands!
The media is talking about the fake twitter account as if it could be possibly be real.
THIS.
The authorities are really looking stupid right about now. If he was never in there this whole time? Unbelievable. Fucker's probably in Mexico by now.
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Is it possible that the whole thing is a set up?
The owner makes the 911 call. A friend holes himself up with a gas mask in the attic. He carries Desmonte's cell phone and uses it for tracing. Law enforcement spends 5-6-12 hours using a wealth of resources to get him out, and all the while, Desmonte makes his way to a cousin's place in Baltimore.
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HABOTN ?@HABOTN
There has been some thought that they (the renter and the suspect) know each other."
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I swear to fucking God....
Six hours of my life.
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Justin Hokanson â€@JHokanson
There we go. Authorities say it's been 3 hours since they heard movement or coughing. So who knows what his status is.
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While I and many others have been glued to the screen hoping to see the end to a wild, entertaining police chase, there's a true tragedy here. Many family members, friends, and teammates are once again experiencing pain and grief after what I'm sure was a long six hours of anticipation, hoping to see this punk caught and brought to justice. Instead, they're having to go to bed knowing that their loved ones are gone and that this asshole is still making it.
Shitty night.
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Is it possible that the whole thing is a set up?
The owner makes the 911 call. A friend holes himself up with a gas mask in the attic. He carries Desmonte's cell phone and uses it for tracing. Law enforcement spends 5-6-12 hours using a wealth of resources to get him out, and all the while, Desmonte makes his way to a cousin's place in Baltimore.
Makes for a good movie plot for the next Denzel Washington movie! Seriously,why would anybody risk serious jail time for this puke? With a $15,000 reward, if I knew the guy, I would be doing my best to get him caught.
Some are speculating that he is in custody, which is why the turned of the spotlight that one time, and everything happening right now is a facade so that they can make sure he is safely transported. I have my doubts, but you never know.
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Glad I went to bed.
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Glad I went to bed.
THIS!
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Now, let's burn this mutha down.
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Can you imagine how suck ass it will be for the cops who have to stand guard in the Alabama heat with full body armor on? I'd stand there and in a loud voice, go " Oh, Man! This ice cold water is soooooooo good. Boy it would suck to be in this heat without a big old glass of ice cold water... Mmmmmm"
Here's a thought - you know Del Monte Peas has his cell phone with him. Ten bucks says he knows everything we all do - heck, he may be getting the same WSFA live feed! Maybe the mayor's statement is a fake out...
I heard he was watching everything unfold from a Ruby Tuesday's in Tuscaloosa. He has given his old cell phone to a friend to use and now has a disposable. Drug money bought out everyone, even his enemies. I'm thinking he's out of country and where there is no extradition. I could be wrong. :facepalm:
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MontgomeryAdvertiser â€@MGMAdvertiser
No signs of law enforcement at house where #auburnsuspect was believed to be just hours ago. Five media vehicles at 5 a.m. Otherwise quiet.
Wow.
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And after this:
http://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=woosie&type=eposts&init=quick&tas=0.8604937428608537
I think I'm done with the internet for a while.
(Woosie = Desmonte Leonard)
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The shit bag has to go to sleep at some point damn. Tell the US Marshalls to go home and bring in Dog the Bounty Hunter.
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And after this:
http://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=woosie&type=eposts&init=quick&tas=0.8604937428608537
I think I'm done with the internet for a while.
(Woosie = Desmonte Leonard)
What you got there? Internet police won't let me see it.
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:facepalm:
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Wow. And hardly anyone disputes it. One girl dissents slightly by saying he could have shot into the air and not taken lives and spent his in prison, and instead lead a productive life, and everyone turns on her.
:facepalm:
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What you got there? Internet police won't let me see it.
A bunch of people supporting Desmonte. Rooting for him to get away.
Stuff like:
Marquis Thirtywitdabeam Hart
# team woosie fucc dem AU bitchs
Khandis Alwayshismainladi Jones
Up dis morning watchin the news thinkin bout how dumb woosie made these mf look go woosie wo
Starsha Brooks
Yall thought da bitch amber cole was famous, but woosie da hottest nigga in da city kmsl TeamAttic
Deon Jarrett
HIDE ON WOOSIE WOO DA MOVEMENT R.I.P LIL REGGIE GOD GOT YALL N HIS HANDS FREE JMONEY#YEAH ITS DA HIDE ON WOOSIE WOO MOVEMENT ON MA
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WTF? Is that even English?
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Hit list.
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Most of the people Thats saying Woosie should be in jail are people woho dont know the streets ... 5/4 130 pounds vs former college football athletes ..... im guessing he should have just laid down and got his ass blitzed ... yall would have loved dhet! Now i aint gone say teamwoosiewoo or go woosie cause no niggas wants to be in that situation but any real nigga would have did the same thang... Thats all i gotta say bout dat shit #GONE
8 people with unpronouncable names liked it.
Comments:
Paris Ripmarcusleonalloway Christian-Clayton - EXACTLY!!
Trey Kirelle Alwaysserious - Real shit. Been in det situation. Had my mind on shit like that.
Shewana Jackson-Stewart - No, a real man would havee shot in the air and ran. That way he wouldn't be headed to jail, he would be living a productive life as a free man. The law does not care about u or where u come from, just what crime u have committed.
Carl YM Jordan - I know ms stewart But the law and these streets are two different beast .... but i do understand what you sayin tho..
Paris Ripmarcusleonalloway Christian-Clayton - Ms STEWART THE ONLY REASON THE POLICE MAKIN A BIG DEAL ABOUT DIS IS BECAUSE THEY WERE FOOTBALL PLAYERS THEY DIDNT MAKE DIS BIG OF A DEAL OF NIGGAS AND FEMALES AND 9 year olds GETTING KILLED BUT NOW SINCE MY BROTHER DUN GOT JUMPED AND DEFENDED HISSELF NOW HE ON THE WORLD WIDE NEWS
Paris Ripmarcusleonalloway Christian-Clayton - AND MS STEWART I SEE WHAT YOU SAYING BUT THEY NOT LOOKIN AT WHAT THE FOOTBALL PLAYERS DID
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WTF? Is that even English?
I played basketball at a public school and I can't understand half of it.
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Monique Burnett Ms'mindobizho - ...truth is God, Woosie, Da AU players, n whoever was there. They created a fucked up situation n innocent people got killed. Personally i only feel bad for the innocent people who died. I dont feel sorry for the AU PLAYERS THAT GOT KILLED CUZ THEY CREATED A FUCKED UP SITUATION. I DONT FEEL BAD FOR WOOSIE CUZ HE COULDA JUST LEFT SIMMLPE AS THAT. NIGGAS DONT THINK UNTIL ITS TOO LATE
So who exactly does she feel bad for? Three people died, two were football players, and by all accounts they were all trying to play peacemaker.
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What do I have to do to post on that?
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What do I have to do to post on that?
I think be friends with them.
Facebook has a feature that lets you search for keywords in public posts. There are probably many more of these kinds of posts on private accounts.
Also, apparently, there's a support trend going on Twitter for the guy. I can only imagine how many bammers have joined in.
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Soooooo, since the AU football players were there, and they were two times this little fucks size, and they have worked their asses off for a better life, then it was their fault and THEY created the fucked up situation? Damn, makes perfect sense to me.
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The scariest thing in all this is the mentality of these people. They're cheering for the guy because this is the way people from the streets do it. He's the "Hottest nigga" right now. Pack heat and if trouble starts, just start poppin' caps off in everybody's ass. You'll be famous.
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https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/teamwoosiewoo
@RackoNico
Yall remember dis date, June11th.......my nigga news debute.....u makin history homie 4real #TeamWoosieWoo
@ThugTrooperTayl (Trooper Taylor parody account run by bammers)
I'm recruiting Desmonte as a scat back #FREEWOOSIE #TeamWoosieWoo #TeamWoosie
@NUK_CASHOUT
I wish des stupid ass white boys get out my mentions b4 it b round 2 #TeamWoosieWoo
@ANTbED360ENT
#TEAMWOOSIEWOO FUCC AUBURN, GUMPTOWN SHIT/ WITHOUT THAT BADGE YOU A BITCH IN A HALF/ #BOOSIE IF DAT WAS ME I WOULD OF MURKED THEY ASS 2 #BOW
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Damn man, I can't do this today. I already feel my blood pressure rising astronomically. This shit here
just makes me sick to my stomach.
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And whoever is behind https://twitter.com/#!/AUChristians was a real douche last night too.
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Jennifer Oravet said they tear gassed the house. Jay G. Tate was basically saying she was full of shit and just making stuff up.
The police and mayor confirmed it was tear gas.
This chick needs a promotion.
And he needs a demotion for being critically wrong twice in 24 hours.
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So have they caught the dude or what?
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live feed police briefing in 30 minutes.....
http://www.wsfa.com/Global/category.asp?C=218796&nav=menu33_4_3
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live feed police briefing in 30 minutes.....
http://www.wsfa.com/Global/category.asp?C=218796&nav=menu33_4_3
I'm thinking they will be wiping some eggs off.
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I'm thinking they will be wiping some eggs off.
Unless they pulled some magical act while everyone coughed and sneezed at the same time, I feel
you may be correct.
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I think be friends with them.
Facebook has a feature that lets you search for keywords in public posts. There are probably many more of these kinds of posts on private accounts.
Also, apparently, there's a support trend going on Twitter for the guy. I can only imagine how many bammers have joined in.
Fuck it then. I don't have the time for that shit anyway. I would love to crack the page though.
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I'm thinking they will be wiping some eggs off.
Think so? I figured if that was the case that it would be pretty big and common news that the manhunt is back on.
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So have they caught the dude or what?
Nope.
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I'm thinking they will be wiping some eggs off.
eggs or feces? You're tax dollars at work, or maybe not.
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TEAM WOOSIE!!!
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eggs or feces? You're tax dollars at work, or maybe not.
What, did you not hear? AUbUrN GOtZ DEY ASSED mURKED!
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/12/us-usa-auburn-shooting-idUSBRE85B0SY20120612
Police raided wrong Alabama house searching for shooting suspect: FBI
By Tom Bassing
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama | Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:17am EDT
(Reuters) - A manhunt for the suspected killer of three men near Auburn University in Alabama led police and federal authorities to raid the wrong house Monday night, an FBI spokesman said on Tuesday.
Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation were searching for Desmonte Leonard, 22, the prime suspect in Saturday's shooting in which two former Auburn University football players were killed and a current player was wounded.
Police fired tear-gas cartridges into a house in Leonard's hometown of Montgomery, about 55 miles from Auburn.
The location "turned out not to be correct," FBI spokesman Douglas Astralaga said.
Three men were killed and three were wounded in the shooting at an apartment complex near the Auburn campus. One of wounded remains in critical condition with a bullet wound to the head.
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And he needs a demotion for being critically wrong twice in 24 hours.
I want to cook her a steak dinner and give her a foot massage.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/12/us-usa-auburn-shooting-idUSBRE85B0SY20120612
Holy. Shit.
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@KevinScarbinsky
Montgomery police say one of the two tips that led them to that home came from someone that said they dropped Desmonte Leonard off there.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/12/us-usa-auburn-shooting-idUSBRE85B0SY20120612
Gaaawwdd damn. I have heard this story too many fucking times. You're TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT AT WORK!
So, that's their fucking story and they're sticking to it? :facepalm:
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Gaaawwdd damn. I have heard this story too many fucking times. You're TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT AT WORK!
So, that's their fucking story and they're sticking to it? :facepalm:
Rule #1: Make sure you have the right goddamn house before you go busting doors in or tear gassing.
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This is the problem with not going tactical early. Sure there is a risk to those assaulting but now all this time has been wasted. I blame some of it on the safety culture that we have now where we cannot let anything bad happen to anyone.
Bunch of pussys.
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I feel like my emotions have been raped.
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Think so? I figured if that was the case that it would be pretty big and common news that the manhunt is back on.
They have to first deal with the fact that every law enforcement agency you can think of was out there on live tv, shaking hands and patting themselves on the back thinking that they had the guy cornered. I knew as soon as I woke up and couldn't find shit on the news that it had to have fizzled out.
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Rule #1: Make sure you have the right goddamn house before you go busting doors in or tear gassing.
Well I doubt they were doing one potato two potato to pick a house. They went with the intel and the intel was wrong.
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Emory just rolled over......
I hated how aggressive the police were during his tenure. But I was dumb and young. Looking back, he had a shitty city under relative control. Back then, everybody knew if you tangled with the MPD, you lost.
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Emory just rolled over......
I hated how aggressive the police were during his tenure. But I was dumb and young. Looking back, he had a shitty city under relative control. Back then, everybody knew if you tangled with the MPD, you lost.
The first boots on the ground of Emory's Army would have had already cleared the house by the time anyone else had gotten there.
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Well I doubt they were doing one potato two potato to pick a house. They went with the intel and the intel was wrong.
Well yeah, but why spend that much time and that many resource hours and not do the simple checks early on...instead of playing the Rolling Stones card?
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So what the fuck was on the thermal reading and what the fuck was coughing?
Was it someone else acting as a diversion? If so dumbest motherfucker in history. Did the person in the attic just disappear? WTF?
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Well yeah, but why spend that much time and that many resource hours and not do the simple checks early on...instead of playing the Rolling Stones card?
Well now you are back to the safety culture that we live in. It has been a downward spiral ever since they outlawed lawn darts with metal tips.
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I think they'e blowing crack-smoke up our asses. They got hoodwinked and don't wish to make it public. So, they use the most likely excuse which is common for the feds.
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So what the fuck was on the thermal reading and what the fuck was coughing?
Was it someone else acting as a diversion? If so dumbest motherfucker in history. Did the person in the attic just disappear? WTF?
It was a possum man. Buzz has already clarified this.
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Well now you are back to the safety culture that we live in. It has been a downward spiral ever since they outlawed lawn darts with metal tips.
Yeah, I realized after posting that all I was doing was agreeing with your earlier post...
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It was a possum man. Buzz has already clarified this.
No...it coulda been a crack head.
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No...it coulda been a crack head.
Seriously man, what if it is? That shit would be all :haha: and :facepalm: at the same time.
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Well, here we go. Lets hear the bullshit.
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I kid you not, I really think this was all a setup and a distraction. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Protected by niggaz wit big dicks, A.K.'s, and 187 skills. So if it's a must you test us, we can handle it in da streets nigga. Fuck makin' records, yeah
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Protected by niggaz wit big dicks, A.K.'s, and 187 skills. So if it's a must you test us, we can handle it in da streets nigga. Fuck makin' records, yeah
Does anybody speak jive?
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Protected by niggaz wit big dicks, A.K.'s, and 187 skills. So if it's a must you test us, we can handle it in da streets nigga. Fuck makin' records, yeah
You wiregrass gangsta
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Does anybody speak jive?
not since 1985
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Per my dad, MGMY has a good SWAT team. I wonder why the US Marshals get the collar, unless it is to prevent the perception of some damn civil rights violation? Like the MGMY PD couldn't be professional? Some lawyer/PR person no doubt had a hand in this. I mean, why the Feds? The guy never left the state, hell, barely even the county! How did they get jurisdiction?
The US Marshall's started a task force in 2006 called the "Gulf Coast Regional Task Force". A lot of the larger agencies in the state have someone from their department assigned to the Marshall's service. That's how they got jurisdiction in this case, and how they are normally the lead agency in any manhunt.
They bring some good things to the table, but they also bring a lot of bureaucracy.
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$30,000 reward now...
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You wiregrass gangsta
It's all about dropping chronic plates on yo ass, beeyooootch.
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It's all about dropping chronic plates on yo ass, beeyooootch.
The chronic?
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He's a suckass.
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It's all about dropping chronic plates on yo ass, beeyooootch.
Shiiiiit, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?
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The chronic?
The hippity hop is strong in this young Jedi
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He's a suckass.
Really? Sounds like to me he's playing it exactly how he should.
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We gon find you...we gon find you.
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Shiiiiit, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?
Rat-a-tat-tat dat ass.
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"He may still be in the house"
Really? You really believe that Chief?
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"He may still be in the house"
Really? You really believe that Chief?
He's still a suckazz
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"He may still be in the house"
Really? You really believe that Chief?
He feels so strongly about it that he's gonna' put an unmarked car at the end of the block. You know...like a stake out.
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So, I last checked this on about page 16 last night, and I'm not reading all the movie quotes and shit to get to the end....looks like they didn't have him there afterall? Well, if he had any sense at all, while every po po in a five county area was in one Montgomery 'hood last night, he could have hauled ass to parts unknown!
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Nice tap dancing...
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"He may still be in the house"
Really? You really believe that Chief?
Yeah ok, that was dumb.
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WSAF reporter gettn the stiffarm.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I was thinking the MPD was ignorant before the presser. I think worse of them after it.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I was thinking the MPD was ignorant before the presser. I think worse of them after it.
I don't understand what you wanted them to have done?
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So, I last checked this on about page 16 last night, and I'm not reading all the movie quotes and shit to get to the end....looks like they didn't have him there afterall? Well, if he had any sense at all, while every po po in a five county area was in one Montgomery 'hood last night, he could have hauled ass to parts unknown!
Agreed. Why is it that they always seem to go back to mama's house or to a cousin's apartment? Never look there. Just make a straight line to Mexico...wait, Mexican gangstas will off a brother there...how about Canada? No, too cold.
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I meant AUPD, sorry.
He just sounded more confused than the rest of us! No answers. What the fuck was in that attic coughing and showing up on thermals? How do you not have an explanation for that?
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I meant AUPD, sorry.
He just sounded more confused than the rest of us! No answers. What the fuck was in that attic coughing and showing up on thermals? How do you not have an explanation for that?
Did all that "info" come out of the mouth of some police PR person, or from a reporter?
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Did all that "info" come out of the mouth of some police PR person, or from a reporter?
Police chief.
And when asked about the Reuter's story saying the FBI told them they had the wrong house he said "That is not true. They did not hit the wrong house."
Then where the fuck is he? Elaborate. Cause that makes no fucking sense. Either it was the wrong house or you allowed him to escape it, which I find unfathomable considering the police presence.
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"They may bring him out of that house yet." WTF??? There's no law enforcement there anymore, we know that.
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"Why are we focused on that house? We'll go to 20 houses. We have 3 young men dead."
Nice deflection attempt. Dude just sounded like an idiot.
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Either it was the wrong house or you allowed him to escape it, which I find unfathomable considering the police presence.
Or it was the right house they were tipped off about. Just the tip was wrong.
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Or it was the right house they were tipped off about. Just the tip was wrong.
Then it's the wrong house.
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I been in the right place but it must have been the wrong time
I'd of said the right thing but I must have used the wrong line
I been in the right trip but I must have used the wrong car
My head was in a bad place and I'm wondering what it's good for
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These cops back pedal worse than Neiko Thorpe.
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Or it was the right house they were tipped off about. Just the tip was wrong.
Ding ding ding! Winner winner chicken dinner! Look, anything could have happened. It could have been a bad tip. Could have been a good one and he bolted before they got there. I assure you this, had he been in the house whey they arrived, they'd have him in custody, or on a slab not far from that neighborhood on AUM campus.
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I need to trim the Facebook tree. Too many Bammers poking fun at this and turning into Auburn University or Auburn football's problem. I had no idea so many of the Tahd were experts in police procedures.
Is it wrong of me to lump them in the same pile as all the idiots celebrating whut Woosie dun didz?
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Then it's the wrong house.
What I think a lot of people forget is that at this point he nor any other law enforcement owe any explanations to anyone other than to the people this directly affects.
It was the wrong house in your view because it didn't end there.
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Is it wrong of me to lump them in the same pile as all the idiots celebrating whut Woosie dun didz?
Nope.
All it's making me realize is how little I care about them anymore. I was already "meh" about them before they killed our trees. After that, I didn't give a shit. Now? I'd be perfectly happy if Auburn moved to the SEC East, and we only played them once every 10 years.
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Nope.
All it's making me realize is how little I care about them anymore. I was already "meh" about them before they killed our trees. After that, I didn't give a shit. Now? I'd be perfectly happy if Auburn moved to the SEC East, and we only played them once every 10 years.
Starting to agree. I wouldn't fucking mind if Georgia annexed Auburn, AL. This state is full of retards.
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Starting to agree. I wouldn't fucking mind if Georgia annexed Auburn, AL. This state is full of retards.
That would really be funny because then GA would control the Chattahoochee at that point and would finish fucking Florida and Alabama out of the water.
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Starting to agree. I wouldn't fucking mind if Georgia annexed Auburn, AL. This state is full of retards.
I agreex2. I think I actually like Muslims more that I do bammers.
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I agreex2. I think I actually like Muslims more that I do bammers.
That is because Muslims havve direct ties to what they believe in vs. Bammers who love the Tahd just 'cause.
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That is because Muslims havve direct ties to what they believe in vs. Bammers who love the Tahd just 'cause.
That's not true......They have a bear bryant commemorative plate set from the Franklin mint.
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That's not true......They have a bear bryant commemorative plate set from the Franklin mint.
Agreed. But there is a reason you've never heard of a sidewalk Muslim.
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That's not true......They have a bear bryant commemorative plate set from the Franklin mint.
Oooooo.....do you think they have any more? Last time I tried to order, they said it may be 6 months before they could get any more in. I got the Bear coffee mugs and Bryant/Denney tumblers with no problem, but I just can't seem to get that plate set.
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Well...let's see if MPD sounds like they have a better idea of what the fuck is going on...
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Nope. I couldn't hear the actual presser, but saw the tweets.
Still no info on the thermals and the coughs.
Still entertaining the idea that he was tweeting from the attic because that parody account exists. :facepalm:
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Nope. I couldn't hear the actual presser, but saw the tweets.
Still no info on the thermals and the coughs.
Still entertaining the idea that he was tweeting from the attic because that parody account exists. :facepalm:
Woosie is a slippery little shit. I kinda hope he wants to go out hard and shit. Might I suggest using your nightstick, officer? :popcorn:
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Nope. I couldn't hear the actual presser, but saw the tweets.
Still no info on the thermals and the coughs.
Still entertaining the idea that he was tweeting from the attic because that parody account exists. :facepalm:
Once again, I am watching the presser and I do not see your problem with how it was handled? You're worried about an explanation on reported thermals and some coughing when the mouthpiece who was speaking last night wasn't even from the police department?
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Once again, I am watching the presser and I do not see your problem with how it was handled? You're worried about an explanation on reported thermals and some coughing when the mouthpiece who was speaking last night wasn't even from the police department?
Agree. And to add further to this - when the hell did law enforcement start discussing details/evidence of an investigation with the public other than the general PR info? Sounds like a couple of the guys on here picked the wrong line of work. A couple of regular Hunters I tell ya..... :facepalm:
Most of the info that was leaking out last night was heresay and rumoring from journalists like that fucking hack Jay "There was No Tear GAS" Tate. Let them do their jobs and quit hindsighting every fucking minor detail. Not all information is for public consumption. And there is a reason why.
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Agree. And to add further to this - when the hell did law enforcement start discussing details/evidence of an investigation with the public other than the general PR info? Sounds like a couple of the guys on here picked the wrong line of work. A couple of regular Hunters I tell ya..... :facepalm:
Most of the info that was leaking out last night was heresay and rumoring from journalists like that fucking hack Jay "There was No Tear GAS" Tate. Let them do their jobs and quit hindsighting every fucking minor detail. Not all information is for public consumption. And there is a reason why.
Not sure if this has been clearly stated -
Both the mayor and some police director of safety guy AND a blonde female police officer in uniform said on air that thermals had confirmed that someone was in the attic. They also heard a cough. They knew someone was there, but it was only probably that it was Desmonte.
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Not sure if this has been clearly stated -
Both the mayor and some police director of safety AND a blonde female police officer said on air that thermals had confirmed that someone was in the attic. They also heard a cough. They knew someone was there, but it was only probably that it was Desmonte.
And with that many people involved shit is bound to be fucked up in communicating to each other.
Go play a game of telephone to remember how bad it can get in a short period of time. Factor in having to play political correct games into it and no wonder it got fucked up. Some info was good. Some was bad. Such is life.
Consider it on par with a wikipedia page.
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And with that many people involved shit is bound to be fucked up in communicating to each other.
Go play a game of telephone to remember how bad it can get in a short period of time. Factor in having to play political correct games into it and no wonder it got fucked up. Some info was good. Some was bad. Such is life.
Consider it on par with a wikipedia page.
So the Police Chiefs were just pulling stuff out of their ass about things as specific as thermal imaging that appeared to be in human form? And all the multiple times they said they heard movement and human coughs, etc.?
All this took nearly 7 hours to find out no one was there the whole time...
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So the Police Chiefs were just pulling stuff out of their ass about things as specific as thermal imaging that appeared to be in human form? And all the multiple times they said they heard movement and human coughs, etc.?
All this took nearly 7 hours to find out no one was there the whole time...
Yeah, I'm not buying it.
They aren't addressing that their thermal imaging devices either malfunctioned or aren't as accurate as advertised.
Or maybe the guy slipped out somehow.
Either way, this seems like a definite "Let's ignore and it'll go away" tactic.
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Agree. And to add further to this - when the hell did law enforcement start discussing details/evidence of an investigation with the public other than the general PR info? Sounds like a couple of the guys on here picked the wrong line of work. A couple of regular Hunters I tell ya..... :facepalm:
Most of the info that was leaking out last night was heresay and rumoring from journalists like that fucking hack Jay "There was No Tear GAS" Tate. Let them do their jobs and quit hindsighting every fucking minor detail. Not all information is for public consumption. And there is a reason why.
Quick hijack. Was having a talk with a client who has served a couple of tours in Afghanistan. We were having a similar discussion to what is often said on here by you warmonger types...with your guns and your bullets and your purple hearts...and sexy camoflage. "If they'd just allow the soldiers to go in and do what they're trained to do...." Anyway, one thing that has always bugged the stuffing out of me is it seems like daily, we would hear reports of how supplies are being sent to prepare for a major offensive on Ishlamabdijad..inator...this coming Wednesday....at 17:30...with the attack starting on the east side of the city.
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So the Police Chiefs were just pulling stuff out of their ass about things as specific as thermal imaging that appeared to be in human form? And all the multiple times they said they heard movement and human coughs, etc.?
All this took nearly 7 hours to find out no one was there the whole time...
Maybe they have split personalities. Fuck if I know. I don't see what it matters though. He wasn't in there when they got there but it does sound like he was there at one point based on the conference.
The reason it took 7 hours is the due to the nanny state you live in now.
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Quick hijack. Was having a talk with a client who has served a couple of tours in Afghanistan. We were having a similar discussion to what is often said on here by you warmonger types...with your guns and your bullets and your purple hearts...and sexy camoflage. "If they'd just allow the soldiers to go in and do what they're trained to do...." Anyway, one thing that has always bugged the stuffing out of me is it seems like daily, we would hear reports of how supplies are being sent to prepare for a major offensive on Ishlamabdijad..inator...this coming Wednesday....at 17:30...with the attack starting on the east side of the city.
I can tell you this. We had a reporter for ABC news attached to our unit for about four days until we found out the motherfucker was saying shit he ought not to. It's actually good that we found out about it while still in Saudi cause had it been anywhere else he would have heroically thrown himself onto a grenade saving all of us.
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Can someone get me a copy of the MPD depth chart?
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Again, I didn't see the MPD conference, but it appears there's some conflicting comments from credible sources.
https://twitter.com/JHokanson/status/212588197992079361
@JHokanson
Officials reiterate they believed Leonard was in the house and when they arrived, that he was still there.
So he just slipped out the back with the house surrounded by MPD, AUPD, FBI, US Marshalls and more??
Or is it...
https://twitter.com/auburnbeat/status/212588905143349248
@auburnbeat
Official: "It's hard for us to discern exactly when he left (versus) when we arrived." Maybe 15-minute gap.
Just seems like one big mess.
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Not sure if this has been clearly stated -
Both the mayor and some police director of safety guy AND a blonde female police officer in uniform said on air that thermals had confirmed that someone was in the attic. They also heard a cough. They knew someone was there, but it was only probably that it was Desmonte.
Ok, so they did thermals and heard what they thought was a cough at the time.....do you want that dissected further? They were obviously wrong/dropped the ball. I don't know what else to say other than it appears they were duped somehow someway. Moving on.......
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Yeah, I'm not buying it.
They aren't addressing that their thermal imaging devices either malfunctioned or aren't as accurate as advertised.
Or maybe the guy slipped out somehow.
Either way, this seems like a definite "Let's ignore and it'll go away" tactic.
Who says they are ignoring it? Just because they aren't spoon feeding these idiots like Jay Tate in the media so they can get their "scoop" doesn't mean they are ignoring it. You/We/Everyone probably doesn't know 20% of what they know behind the scenes.
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Just seems like one big mess.
I would say a big mess would be constituted by bodies still being left in his wake.
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Watched the initial coverage on WSFA last night with the Mayor and blonde lady Officer. I came in just as he was saying they had used tear gas and heard a cough coming from the attic. I did not hear anything about thermal imaging. Not saying they didn't say it because I missed the first little piece of it. I just assumed they had the people in place where they could have heard it from a vent or something.
In my opinion, they did exactly what they should have done. You get a tip that a presumably armed man who just killed 3 people is at a particular house, you get your ass over there and secure it immediately. Not sure why the packing up and leaving at 2:30 happened without giving the press a crumb when you've been on camera all anight long to that point. But, all that does is not satisfy my need to know....which has no bearing on the manhunt.
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Watched the initial coverage on WSFA last night with the Mayor and blonde lady Officer. I came in just as he was saying they had used tear gas and heard a cough coming from the attic. I did not hear anything about thermal imaging. Not saying they didn't say it because I missed the first little piece of it. I just assumed they had the people in place where they could have heard it from a vent or something.
In my opinion, they did exactly what they should have done. You get a tip that a presumably armed man who just killed 3 people is at a particular house, you get your ass over there and secure it immediately. Not sure why the packing up and leaving at 2:30 happened without giving the press a crumb when you've been on camera all anight long to that point. But, all that does is not satisfy my need to know....which has no bearing on the manhunt.
THIS guy ^^^ gets it.
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I can tell you this. We had a reporter for ABC news attached to our unit for about four days until we found out the motherfucker was saying shit he ought not to. It's actually good that we found out about it while still in Saudi cause had it been anywhere else he would have heroically thrown himself onto a grenade saving all of us.
See, I've often wondered how much of that goes on. I can't count the times I've heard reports about an impending attack or maneuver and I thought, "Do you think these people are too dumb to monitor our media?" Who is giving this info out?
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The reason it took 7 hours is the due to the nanny state you live in now.
If it took 24 hours, it would be acceptable as long as no LEO was injuried. If the guy (who has already killed 3 and injuried 4 others with a gun) was really holed up in the attic, or they believed he was, that is a fairly decided tactical advantage on his part. He obviously doesn't want to go to jail, and doesn't mind killing people. Have you ever seen a cat skeleton in a tree? That fucker has to come down eventually. Things definitely would have been really toasty in that attic come noon today with temps around 90 and them lobbing tear gas in there.
Whether he was really there or not, I don't know. But they acted accordingly for the situation that they thought they had.
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See, I've often wondered how much of that goes on. I can't count the times I've heard reports about an impending attack or maneuver and I thought, "Do you think these people are too dumb to monitor our media?" Who is giving this info out?
Was never a doubt in my mind that it had happened in the past and would happen again if I was involved in it. Thinking back on it now I remember that even though he has a couple of screws loose Geraldo Rivera had the best reputation of any reporter about keeping his mouth shut about things he didn't need to say in regards to movements or operations.
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Chizik presser about to start.
Can't stream from work :(
http://www2.oanow.com/live
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Chizik presser about to start.
Can't stream from work :(
http://www2.oanow.com/live
You wouldn't be able to hear it. Sound is terrible.
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Lost the feed but from what I heard I can tell....I love Coach Chizik.
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Feed was horrible.
I was able to confirm that he did not address the coughing or thermal imaging though.
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Feed was horrible.
I was able to confirm that he did not address the coughing or thermal imaging though.
Derp.
From what I can gather on teh twitterz Chizik handled that as gracefully as anyone can.
@JHokanson
Chizik asked if he has a message for Desmonte Leonard: "No, I don't."
@auburnbeat
Chizik on Auburn: "This is one of the safest college towns in the country." Cites US News top-10 ranking on places to live.
@auburnbeat
Chizik: "I'm not worried about football season. I don't care about football season. This is about young guys getting past a tragic event."
@JHokanson
Chizik: My one goal is to provide everything we can to anybody that was impacted. My goal is to make sure they have the help they need.
@HABOTN
Chizik: Athletic department will provide transportation to the funerals.
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Apparently some spectacular journalist asked him "Did anyone at Alabama contact you?"
Chizik's response (paraphrased): "I have a long list of people that have contacted us, it's possible they are in there."
About the best way to answer that moronic question.
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Maybe Token can speak to this, but I would have no trouble believing that the thermal imaging cameras had issues in this heat. If Del Monte Peas was in an attic that was most likely 100+ degrees, then his body is most likely NOT registering a nice cool 98.6. Could be very hard to tell.
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PF just replayed the call from "Woosie's" friend yesterday. I listened to most of the show but hadn't heard that. As I think was recapped in an earlier post, he asked Leonard to turn himself in. Said parties at the apartment complex are a weekly occurrence. Said Leonard wen there to hit on a girl...which was one of the player's girlfriend..and that the player (Didn't know who) hit Leonard and then someone else came from behind and hit him with a bottle in the head. That's when Leonard just pulled his gun, which he carried in with him, and started firing. So nothing really different. But again, as was said in the earlier post, the caller was emphatic that this was not Auburn's fault and no one should be saying that. To which Finebaum almost angrily replied, "Well who's fault is it?"
That fucker is so transparent in his hatred of Auburn
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And with that many people involved shit is bound to be fucked up in communicating to each other.
Go play a game of telephone to remember how bad it can get in a short period of time. Factor in having to play political correct games into it and no wonder it got fucked up. Some info was good. Some was bad. Such is life.
Consider it on par with a wikipedia page.
Johnny and the Mothers are playing "Stompin' at the Savoy" in Vermont tonight.
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Johnny and the Mothers are playing "Stompin' at the Savoy" in Vermont tonight.
Vermin's going to kill my brother at the Savoy theater tonight!
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PF just replayed the call from "Woosie's" friend yesterday. I listened to most of the show but hadn't heard that. As I think was recapped in an earlier post, he asked Leonard to turn himself in. Said parties at the apartment complex are a weekly occurrence. Said Leonard wen there to hit on a girl...which was one of the player's girlfriend..and that the player (Didn't know who) hit Leonard and then someone else came from behind and hit him with a bottle in the head. That's when Leonard just pulled his gun, which he carried in with him, and started firing. So nothing really different. But again, as was said in the earlier post, the caller was emphatic that this was not Auburn's fault and no one should be saying that. To which Finebaum almost angrily replied, "Well who's fault is it?"
That fucker is so transparent in his hatred of Auburn
Did you not see Chizad's detailed transcript of this on page 7...WTF...get with the program.
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Vermin's going to kill my brother at the Savoy theater tonight!
I <3 you
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Did you not see Chizad's detailed transcript of this on page 7...WTF...get with the program.
I referenced it twice with footnotes and citations.
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$30,000 has got to be at least two years' salary for #teamwoosie / #teamwoosiewoo. Is not being a snitch really that important to them?
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$30,000 has got to be at least two years' salary for #teamwoosie / #teamwoosiewoo. Is not being a snitch really that important to them?
I could use $30K right about now. Ima go hunt me down some woosiewoo.
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Did you not see Chizad's detailed transcript of this on page 7...WTF...get with the program.
Page 10...
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Page 10...
220...221 whatever it takes
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Pretty sure this guy calling in claiming to be black is not.
I haven't listened to this show in a year and I recognize Jim from Crestwood. He didn't even change his name.
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220...221 whatever it takes
It's all ball bearings these days.
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No one seems to notice that Finebaum just put on a minstrel show...
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No one seems to notice that Finebaum just put on a minstrel show...
How so? I only heard him while I was in the Sexpedition a bit ago. I can't turn him on in here today. I've got to concentrate on the X...errr, work.
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I was in the Sexpedition a bit ago.
Pics?
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A caller claiming to be a 63 year old black man, who clearly wasn't, and clearly sounded like Jim from Crestwood speaking "jive", how I guess he thinks black people talk.
Went on the same sarcastic rants he does as himself:
"Ohhhh... He ain't no killah Pawwwl. He a lova, not a fighta! Nooo! He ain't a killah!"
Made a point to say several times that he was black.
"As I was tellin ya, I'm black, man, so I don't want anybody sayin some white guy, he's a racist. No I'm black. And I'm 63 years old Pawwl. And I'm sick and I am tired of these young black guys goin out an makin foolish decisions and runnin like little scared jackrabbits, packin pistols around."
Every time he spoke as the "young" black guys, sarcastically, he was exaggerating his ebonics even more.
It was clear as day what was happening, yet no one else seems to have noticed.
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Maybe Token can speak to this, but I would have no trouble believing that the thermal imaging cameras had issues in this heat. If Del Monte Peas was in an attic that was most likely 100+ degrees, then his body is most likely NOT registering a nice cool 98.6. Could be very hard to tell.
I've never dealt with it. I'm sure there are a number of things that could explain why they thought they located someone in the ceiling, but I'd be speculating.
I can tell you this, if the media would park their trucks in front of AUPD and wait for the department to brief them when he is in custody, things would go much smoother. Thermal imaging is something reporters love to write about, because it's something you'd see in the movies. Department heads love to talk about that kind of stuff, because it gets their names in the papers. Sometimes just letting a well trained entry team handle a situation saves a lot of time, and in this case, embarrassment.
With all the task forces involved with their extended task force names and unlimited technology, it wouldn't shock me to see a seasoned officer break the case by getting a small amount of dope off a probationer who doesn't want to serve the rest of his time. Those little birds will sing every time.
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Two other people on Twitter have noticed.
https://twitter.com/waski49/status/212636524532080641
@waski49
@finebaum hey Paul no black man says "hoodlum". Tell Jim of crest wood to disguise his voice better #imjustssying
https://twitter.com/NotoriousBrooks/status/212644682071670785
@NotoriousBrooks
@Finebaum you dumb ass that was Jim from Crestwood!!!
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Round 2!
â€@HABOTN
Chopper appears to be circling over the Halcyon South neighborhood.
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Round 2!
I refuse to get sucked into it again.
But do call me when they confirm with thermal imaging.
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Halcyon South? That's over by Starbucks at Eastchase. Pick me up a double mocha frappacinno
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Damn...he is still in East Montgomery? It seems over to the west he could lie a little lower...
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THIS guy ^^^ gets it.
Yeah, he does. But some have an insatiable need to question and critique people doing a job that the person doing the critiquing has never done. Real easy to shit all over the "play calling" after you have the luxury of knowing the outcome!
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Yeah, he does. But some have an insatiable need to question and critique people doing a job that the person doing the critiquing has never done. Real easy to shit all over the "play calling" after you have the luxury of knowing the outcome!
So you all think public officials have the right to hand out false information to the public and then completely neglect to explain themselves when that information is exposed to be false?
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So you all think public officials have the right to hand out false information to the public and then completely neglect to explain themselves when that information is exposed to be false?
If it serves the greater good, or aids in the mission, yes. There's a difference in "false information" and information you believe to be true at the time, but turns out erroneous.
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So you all think public officials have the right to hand out false information to the public and then completely neglect to explain themselves when that information is exposed to be false?
HERETIC!!!
He coaches peewee football, gawddammit, and has zero tolerance for Monday morning QB'ing!
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HERETIC!!!
He coaches peewee football, gawddammit, and has zero tolerance for Monday morning QB'ing!
You love teh peewee's don't you?
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You love teh peewee's don't you?
Coach Sandusky?
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Coach Sandusky?
AUChizadusky.
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AUChizadusky.
:thumsup:
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Bammers still calling in talking about how dangerous Auburn is, and how they should have never been at a party with guns in the first place.
ONE PERSON HAD A GUN! THE KILLER! THAT MURDERED 6 PEOPLE, INCLUDING FOOTBALL PLAYERS!!! THE VICTIMS! AND THE MURDERER WAS NOT FROM AUBURN!!!
Goddamn, these people just don't let reality permeate their skulls...
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@HABOTN
Chopper appears to be circling over the Halcyon South neighborhood.
Is this where the skreets are now?
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Bammers still calling in talking about how dangerous Auburn is, and how they should have never been at a party with guns in the first place.
ONE PERSON HAD A GUN! THE KILLER! THAT MURDERED 6 PEOPLE, INCLUDING FOOTBALL PLAYERS!!! THE VICTIMS! AND THE MURDERER WAS NOT FROM AUBURN!!!
Goddamn, these people just don't let reality permeate their skulls...
You are going to have an aneurism...
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Bammers still calling in talking about how dangerous Auburn is, and how they should have never been at a party with guns in the first place.
ONE PERSON HAD A GUN! THE KILLER! THAT MURDERED 6 PEOPLE, INCLUDING FOOTBALL PLAYERS!!! THE VICTIMS! AND THE MURDERER WAS NOT FROM AUBURN!!!
Goddamn, these people just don't let reality permeate their skulls...
They're idiots. No need to get pissed at them. They're just sheep.
Throw your anger at the shepherd. The bald, penis-head one.
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Is this where the skreets are now?
Choppers don't need skreets dumb ass...
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Is this where the skreets are now?
HABOTN â€@HABOTN
Apparently headed off toward Prattville. Weird. RT @Webbw: halcyon south still? My folks live there.
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Choppers on the web, landing on Hudson skreet.
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Maybe Token can speak to this, but I would have no trouble believing that the thermal imaging cameras had issues in this heat. If Del Monte Peas was in an attic that was most likely 100+ degrees, then his body is most likely NOT registering a nice cool 98.6. Could be very hard to tell.
I would assume they are alot like ours at the fire department. I know Bullard makes firefighting imagers, and law enforcement imagers as well. The only difference is one is made for higher temparatures (200-1200 degrees), and the other for lower (usually up to 200). The way they work is relative to environment. It basically compares everything in the scope to each other. It calculates what the coolest spot is, and what the hottest spot is, then renders the image to the user accordingly. The cooler stuff is darker and the hotter stuff is brighter. Even if you're talking only a difference of 5-10 degrees, you can tell. Especially if he is wearing clothes. Obviously, if it was 50 degrees in the attic it would make it much easier to see. But finding hot in hot is well within it's capability. That's really what it was designed for. Also, as odd as it may sound, an object generating heat shows differently than something absorbing heat. If that makes sense. Technically a person would be generating the heat, while everything else in the attic is absorbing.
As a side note, thermal imagers are great for finding hidding compartments in cars, etc. Depending on the material, you can see what is behind it. For example, alot of times you can see where rafters on a house are in the roof just by looking with an imager from the outside. Especially in cooler weather.
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So, THS, et al, what are the issues here? The fact they thought they had him, and your perception they let him slip through their fingers? The fact they said things that got you excited about the prospect of capture, that now seem to be erroneous at this point? Is it the job they're doing, how they're doing it, or how you're being fed information about how they're doing it?
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or how you're being fed information about how they're doing it?
That's always the issue at hand. Not just in this situation.
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That's always the issue at hand. Not just in this situation.
I'd say you're probably right.
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So, THS, et al, what are the issues here? The fact they thought they had him, and your perception they let him slip through their fingers? The fact they said things that got you excited about the prospect of capture, that now seem to be erroneous at this point? Is it the job they're doing, how they're doing it, or how you're being fed information about how they're doing it?
All I'm saying is, if you're going to go on TV and tell everyone that you heard someone in the attic moving and coughing, you SAW a human form on a thermal imaging camera, and spend seven hours using various technologies, knowing you're being filmed throughout the whole thing, and then just fizzle into nothing, without explaining what the hell happened, it looks pretty foolish on their part. Then to hold two separate press conferences the following morning in which you sound like you have no idea what's going on, contradicting things you said earlier, and completely avoiding any sort of explanation for your false statements to the press, some egg is on their face.
I'm not saying I could do it better. I'm not saying they owe me an explanation personally. I understand it may not be necessary to tip their hand.
I'm just saying, it looks pretty disorganized on this end.
And I don't see how not completely ignoring the questions they were asked about why they were so confident that someone was in that attic, citing specific things like the thermal readings and hearing a person coughing is sensitive information, but I guess I don't know.
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Choppers on the web, landing on Hudson skreet.
Is that at Tanner intersection?
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http://www.auburntigers.com/allaccess/?media=321377
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All I'm saying is, if you're going to go on TV and tell everyone that you heard someone in the attic moving and coughing, you SAW a human form on a thermal imaging camera, and spend seven hours using various technologies, knowing you're being filmed throughout the whole thing, and then just fizzle into nothing, without explaining what the hell happened, it looks pretty foolish on their part. Then to hold two separate press conferences the following morning in which you sound like you have no idea what's going on, contradicting things you said earlier, and completely avoiding any sort of explanation for your false statements to the press, some egg is on their face.
I'm not saying I could do it better. I'm not saying they owe me an explanation personally. I understand it may not be necessary to tip their hand.
I'm just saying, it looks pretty disorganized on this end.
And I don't see how not completely ignoring the questions they were asked about why they were so confident that someone was in that attic, siting specific things like the thermal readings and hearing a person coughing is sensitive information, but I guess I don't know.
Thank you!
It's like anything else, you're giving a critique after the fact, with the outcome known. They were on the ground live, with the information that was current to them at the time. If anything, their biggest error was giving out too much info while it was still unfolding.
I've also not been able to see every presser, or hear everything said by police media liaisons, or whatever. I don't know how much of the information you think (or anybody else thinks) came directly from them, vs what got reported, ie Tate's assertion that it wasn't tear gas, and what is attributed to them. And, maybe you can just accept it as fact that, at some time yesterday, they had the thermal images, and heard what they thought was a cough, and it turned out not to be the suspect? Technology can fail, or mislead, and it could ever be that from whoever was running the "technology" one thing was said, and by the time it got to a media liaison, it was somehow altered. "We think we have a heat signature, and we're trying to confirm it's likely human" to "We have a heat signature on our infrared equipment, and have confirmed it's appears to be human." (Or whatever was said)
Here's what I'm 100% sure of: Yesterday they acted on a tip they felt was credible. When they arrived, they garnered further information that further supported that tip, and they acted accordingly. I can't say if the tip was good or not, but in the end, the suspect wasn't where they thought he was. I'm satisfied knowing that.
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Finebaum has said about 100 times that "there's more to this story, that when it comes out, we're going to have a completely different perspective".
Woosie's friends keep calling in talking about how great a guy he is, and how the Auburn football players started all of this, and poor Woosie was only acting in self defense. He had no choice in the matter. It was fight or flight. The man is covering the truth up to salvage the image of Auburn.
Fuck these clowns. It's so absurd one would think it's not worth wasting your breath over. So it's self defense to block the exits of the clubhouse and spray the whole fuckin' place? Taking out six people, killing three? If it was self defense, then why is he STILL on the run from 9 state and federal agencies? Why not at least try to tell your side of the story? It's beyond absurd, and yet Paul is giving credence to it, saying over and over that "more will come out of this, and I think it will be totally different than the media is portraying it now".
And with that, I'm done with Finebaum again.
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Why anyone thinks finebaum is someone to listen to, is beyond me. Y'all know his show is caller driven and y'all know what type of callers that call into that show (the updyke pieces of shit)...y'all should've known what was going to come out of the bald prick's mouth towards the end of the show.
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Thank you!
It's like anything else, you're giving a critique after the fact, with the outcome known. They were on the ground live, with the information that was current to them at the time. If anything, their biggest error was giving out too much info while it was still unfolding.
I've also not been able to see every presser, or hear everything said by police media liaisons, or whatever. I don't know how much of the information you think (or anybody else thinks) came directly from them, vs what got reported, ie Tate's assertion that it wasn't tear gas, and what is attributed to them. And, maybe you can just accept it as fact that, at some time yesterday, they had the thermal images, and heard what they thought was a cough, and it turned out not to be the suspect? Technology can fail, or mislead, and it could ever be that from whoever was running the "technology" one thing was said, and by the time it got to a media liaison, it was somehow altered. "We think we have a heat signature, and we're trying to confirm it's likely human" to "We have a heat signature on our infrared equipment, and have confirmed it's appears to be human." (Or whatever was said)
Here's what I'm 100% sure of: Yesterday they acted on a tip they felt was credible. When they arrived, they garnered further information that further supported that tip, and they acted accordingly. I can't say if the tip was good or not, but in the end, the suspect wasn't where they thought he was. I'm satisfied knowing that.
Well, all I know is that Gus Malzahn could have been outcoached by a smacked out capuchin monkey in the Iron Bowl.
Fact.
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Round 2!
@HABOTN
Chopper appears to be circling over the Halcyon South neighborhood.
How in the fuck is he able to hover with those little arms?
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How in the fuck is he able to hover with those little arms?
Fist bumps of fury
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How in the fuck is he able to hover with those little arms?
In very tight little circles.
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In very tight little circles.
He's a hummingbird, let him fly!
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Thank you!
It's like anything else, you're giving a critique after the fact, with the outcome known. They were on the ground live, with the information that was current to them at the time. If anything, their biggest error was giving out too much info while it was still unfolding.
I've also not been able to see every presser, or hear everything said by police media liaisons, or whatever. I don't know how much of the information you think (or anybody else thinks) came directly from them, vs what got reported, ie Tate's assertion that it wasn't tear gas, and what is attributed to them. And, maybe you can just accept it as fact that, at some time yesterday, they had the thermal images, and heard what they thought was a cough, and it turned out not to be the suspect? Technology can fail, or mislead, and it could ever be that from whoever was running the "technology" one thing was said, and by the time it got to a media liaison, it was somehow altered. "We think we have a heat signature, and we're trying to confirm it's likely human" to "We have a heat signature on our infrared equipment, and have confirmed it's appears to be human." (Or whatever was said)
Here's what I'm 100% sure of: Yesterday they acted on a tip they felt was credible. When they arrived, they garnered further information that further supported that tip, and they acted accordingly. I can't say if the tip was good or not, but in the end, the suspect wasn't where they thought he was. I'm satisfied knowing that.
There's really no sense in having this conversation with you. You've already established that the authorities are correct in whatever they say or not say because they know better because they're the authorities.
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My skreetz say that ole Woosie turned himself in recently.
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My skreetz say that ole Woosie turned himself in recently.
O'rilly?!
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Pressed at 9:15
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O'rilly?!
http://www.wsfa.com/story/18760658/auburn-shooting-suspect-desmonte-lee-turns-himself-in
MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) -
The man sought for a multi-victim shooting just off of the Auburn University campus last Saturday turned himself to authorities Tuesday evening, WSFA 12 News can confirm.
Details are limited at this time, but Desmonte Leonard, 22, turned himself in at the Montgomery Federal Courthouse.
WSFA 12 News has a crew en route to the courthouse. We'll have the latest information as soon as it becomes available.
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I give the all the credit to Chizik and his press conference. Did I mention that I love Coach Chizik?
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All I'm saying is, if you're going to go on TV and tell everyone that you heard someone in the attic moving and coughing, you SAW a human form on a thermal imaging camera, and spend seven hours using various technologies, knowing you're being filmed throughout the whole thing, and then just fizzle into nothing, without explaining what the hell happened, it looks pretty foolish on their part. Then to hold two separate press conferences the following morning in which you sound like you have no idea what's going on, contradicting things you said earlier, and completely avoiding any sort of explanation for your false statements to the press, some egg is on their face.
I'm not saying I could do it better. I'm not saying they owe me an explanation personally. I understand it may not be necessary to tip their hand.
I'm just saying, it looks pretty disorganized on this end.
And I don't see how not completely ignoring the questions they were asked about why they were so confident that someone was in that attic, citing specific things like the thermal readings and hearing a person coughing is sensitive information, but I guess I don't know.
And I agree with all of this. They shouldn't have said a damn word until they have him in custody.
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Evan Woodbery â€@auburnbeat
Leonard attorney: "When the full story is told, it may sound different than the perception now."
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http://www2.oanow.com/live/
Live streaming of the press conference.
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Now that the search is over, a question for you lawyers:
If they determine that someone did strike him first with a beer bottle which led to him shooting, could that drop the capital murder charges?
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AFter flubbing a tweet:
HABOTN â€@HABOTN
Leonard's lawyer is Susan JAMES. Sorry.
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09vy30UdTb0Id/350x.jpg)
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I see Finebaum is advising his council...
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Now that the search is over, a question for you lawyers:
If they determine that someone did strike him first with a beer bottle which led to him shooting, could that drop the capital murder charges?
Not a lawyer, maybe on the one that hit him in the head, but not the other two that he killed. He'll be going to jail for a long time, then after 50 years he'll finally get the lethal injection or hungry rats in a bucket that's strapped to his chest then the bottom end of the bucket set on fire (or whatever death penalty we have here).
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Now that the search is over, a question for you lawyers:
If they determine that someone did strike him first with a beer bottle which led to him shooting, could that drop the capital murder charges?
Capital murder charge will stand because: "two or more persons murdered in same act/course of conduct"
whether or not he was hit with a bottle, the self-defense claim is laughable. Multiple shooting victims when one person supposedly hit him over the head. I wanna MD to inspect his head. Still multiple vics, he's fucked or cooked whichever you prefer.
*electrocution*
I'm not lawyer but I can read law: http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/capital-punishment/alabama/
Furthermore, "certain persons forbidden to carry", I think is a felony as well. Not that that has any bearing on the case, or maybe it does. Murder in the commission of a felony, but certain persons is not listed. He will still fry. He is NOT Zimmerman.
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This in my opinion is a slam dunk case for Prosecution. As soon as Defense puts up self defense, Prosecution can bury that with "Why did you you run and hide?".....or, "Why did you shoot six people?".....or.............................................................................
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There's really no sense in having this conversation with you. You've already established that the authorities are correct in whatever they say or not say because they know better because they're the authorities.
They know more about what they're doing than the folks that aren't trained to, and that have never done it. It has shit to do with "being the authorities".
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And I agree with all of this. They shouldn't have said a damn word until they have him in custody.
Yep!
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Well, all I know is that Gus Malzahn could have been outcoached by a smacked out capuchin monkey in the Iron Bowl.
Fact.
I'm struggling to find the relevance.
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JR, with this having Mtg somewhat involved, is there any chance you could get involved on this case?
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JR, with this having Mtg somewhat involved, is there any chance you could get involved on this case?
I don't work anywhere close to Mtgy. Well, not really. Mtgy county has nothing to do with what happened in Auburn. He'll be held for Lee County to come pick him up.
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Capital murder charge will stand because: "two or more persons murdered in same act/course of conduct"
whether or not he was hit with a bottle, the self-defense claim is laughable. Multiple shooting victims when one person supposedly hit him over the head. I wanna MD to inspect his head. Still multiple vics, he's fucked or cooked whichever you prefer.
*electrocution*
I'm not lawyer but I can read law: http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/capital-punishment/alabama/
Furthermore, "certain persons forbidden to carry", I think is a felony as well. Not that that has any bearing on the case, or maybe it does. Murder in the commission of a felony, but certain persons is not listed. He will still fry. He is NOT Zimmerman.
he won't fry...turned himself in. i wouldn't be surprised if a deal wasn't worked out before hand.
side note: chopper was hovering? ...i thought he was a G5 kinda playa.
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I don't work anywhere close to Mtgy. Well, not really. Mtgy county has nothing to do with what happened in Auburn. He'll be held for Lee County to come pick him up.
Figured that but had to ask.
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he won't fry...turned himself in. i wouldn't be surprised if a deal wasn't worked out before hand.
side note: chopper was hovering? ...i thought he was a G5 kinda playa.
We shall see. I'm standing on my statement, even though I could be horribly wrong. Please tell me he at least gets Murder 1 X 3 plus the other charges and life without with the possibility of parole and he's getting buttfucked and fisted nightly. Deal worked, really???
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We shall see. I'm standing on my statement, even though I could be horribly wrong. Please tell me he at least gets Murder 1 X 3 plus the other charges and life without with the possibility of parole and he's getting buttfucked and fisted nightly. Deal worked, really???
The guy had prior gun charges on his record too...So yeah, he'll be going to "fuck you in the ass" prison. But, he'll probably be among friends from Montgomery and the surrounding areas.
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The guy had prior gun charges on his record too...So yeah, he'll be going to "fuck you in the ass" prison. But, he'll probably be among friends from Montgomery and the surrounding areas.
No way in hell to predict what a jury will do. I would guess that a Lee Co. jury is pretty white, and conservative for the most part. You can talk about how you'd feel and react if you were on the jury to what they might or might not use as a defense, but you don't know all the facts, and you're not on the jury. The fact that it, at least right now, seems to be that someone else started the jawing match, and that the Defendant was hit over the head with a bottle might matter to a jury. I can't see him walking on killing 3 people who were merely bystanders, but you never know what a jury will do, and we don't know all the facts or testimony that will or might come out at trial. And, he may take a plea to something less. Very early stages now.
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My thought, strictly based on what I know at this point, is he won't get the death penalty. Plus, he lawyer'd up nicely.
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My thought, strictly based on what I know at this point, is he won't get the death penalty. Plus, he lawyer'd up nicely.
Pretty much no way he gets the death penalty. If he had been in that attic? Perhaps a different story.
When he had handed himself over to police, I wanted to be happy, but I was a bit dejected knowing that that had to have dramatically lowered his sentence.
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I give the all the credit to Chizik and his press conference. Did I mention that I love Coach Chizik?
I can give you his address in Auburn if you want to knock on his door and ask him out on a date. He has a lovely home near the Moore's Mill area. Old English tudor style. The 3 car garage is a nice touch I must say.
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No way in hell to predict what a jury will do. I would guess that a Lee Co. jury is pretty white, and conservative for the most part. You can talk about how you'd feel and react if you were on the jury to what they might or might not use as a defense, but you don't know all the facts, and you're not on the jury. The fact that it, at least right now, seems to be that someone else started the jawing match, and that the Defendant was hit over the head with a bottle might matter to a jury. I can't see him walking on killing 3 people who were merely bystanders, but you never know what a jury will do, and we don't know all the facts or testimony that will or might come out at trial. And, he may take a plea to something less. Very early stages now.
Correct me if I am wrong but on the death penalty and capital murder, won't intent to kill and premeditation be hard to prove here? Believe me I want him to fry, but I just don't see it happening. Especially since he turned himself in with no incident.
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I can give you his address in Auburn if you want to knock on his door and ask him out on a date. He has a lovely home near the Moore's Mill area. Old English tudor style. The 3 car garage is a nice touch I must say.
Please be to posting. I think we could manage an X'er field trip on this one. I just know Chizik would
love it.
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Please be to posting. I think we could manage an X'er field trip on this one. I just know Chizik would
love it.
I know a certain Houston girl that would make the trip.
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I know a certain Houston girl that would make the trip.
AWK moved to Houston?
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Pretty much no way he gets the death penalty. If he had been in that attic? Perhaps a different story.
When he had handed himself over to police, I wanted to be happy, but I was a bit dejected knowing that that had to have dramatically lowered his sentence there would be no thermal imaging.
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Please be to posting. I think we could manage an X'er field trip on this one. I just know Chizik would
love it.
Seriously rode by their a couple of weeks ago. Nice joint. But you worry me with your homoeroticism, even if it is a fine Auburn man like Gene Chizik. Hell you can't even meet me to fish at Lake Eufaula and you live there. How you gonna get up to Auburn to profess your man love to Gene?
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Correct me if I am wrong but on the death penalty and capital murder, won't intent to kill and premeditation be hard to prove here? Believe me I want him to fry, but I just don't see it happening. Especially since he turned himself in with no incident.
Transferred intent.
He was fucked the moment he pulled the trigger attempting to shoot anyone.
As for premeditation, it can happen in an instant.
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Transferred intent.
He was fucked the moment he pulled the trigger.
Agree. But proving that to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt would be hard though, no?
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Agree. But proving that to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt would be hard though, no?
With the caveat that you never know what a jury will do, I don't think proving intent or premeditation will be difficult at all.
He fired a gun into a crowd of people. He intended to hit/hurt someone and the deadly nature of the weapon gets you to intent to kill.
If, as the reports say, there was a moment or two between the altercation and Woosie's firing, then there was plenty of time to have premeditated the manner in which he was going to lash out.
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With the caveat that you never know what a jury will do, I don't think proving intent or premeditation will be difficult at all.
He fired a gun into a crowd of people. He intended to hit/hurt someone and the deadly nature of the weapon gets you to intent to kill.
If, as the reports say, there was a moment or two between the altercation and Woosie's firing, then there was plenty of time to have premeditated the manner in which he was going to lash out.
Fair enough. And I hope the jury convicts him. I'm just not that optimistic. I hope I am wrong.
Do you think the prosecutor will roll the dice a bit and go for Capital as they did with Casey Anthony or will they merely go for the easy slam dunk murder (not capital) charge? I'm curious to how this will play out. I believe JR knows the Lee County prosecutor, Treese. His asst prosecuted the murder trial I sat on last year about this time and I was pretty impressed as a juror.
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My thought, strictly based on what I know at this point, is he won't get the death penalty. Plus, he lawyer'd up nicely.
Yes, Susan is a damn fine attorney.
To those discussing it: there's no "premeditation" in Alabama law. Intent can be formed in the blink of an eye according to case law.
This case will turn on facts, and moreover, how those facts are presented. The defense, and it's a viable one, will likely be this: "Some dude started jawing about my homie's girl, they started arguing, this one dude hit my homie, then next thing I know, I got hit over the head, and I was like 'damn' and I was kinda dazed, and I saw a dude coming at me, looked like he had something he was going to hit me with, and I pulled out my gat and shoosted at him, but I was so dazed from the hit on the head, I guess my aim was off". If you think it's not a viable defense, you're kidding yourself. It's, at the very least, enough to save him from the death penalty, and IMHO, easily could by him a Manslaughter conviction.
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Seriously rode by their a couple of weeks ago. Nice joint. But you worry me with your homoeroticism, even if it is a fine Auburn man like Gene Chizik. Hell you can't even meet me to fish at Lake Eufaula and you live there. How you gonna get up to Auburn to profess your man love to Gene?
Hey hey, you what my digits be. Its Snaggle thats afraid. He prolly scared of what his wife would do/say.
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None of this will matter. Woosie is not a white hispanic, so this black on black crime will take two years to prosecute and then slowly fizz away. All the while, you bama taxpayers are footing the bill for three hots and cot.
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Also, don't know if they had the Benjamins to hire Susan for anything more than negotiating the peaceful surrender. If they did, he's got somebody backing him with a load of cash. Can't see her taking this case without $50K in cash up front. And it wouldn't shock me if it took 6 figures.
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Yes, Susan is a damn fine attorney.
To those discussing it: there's no "premeditation" in Alabama law. Intent can be formed in the blink of an eye according to case law.
This case will turn on facts, and moreover, how those facts are presented. The defense, and it's a viable one, will likely be this: "Some dude started jawing about my homie's girl, they started arguing, this one dude hit my homie, then next thing I know, I got hit over the head, and I was like 'damn' and I was kinda dazed, and I saw a dude coming at me, looked like he had something he was going to hit me with, and I pulled out my gat and shoosted at him, but I was so dazed from the hit on the head, I guess my aim was off". If you think it's not a viable defense, you're kidding yourself. It's, at the very least, enough to save him from the death penalty, and IMHO, easily could by him a Manslaughter conviction.
THAT defense you just described is exactly what scares me. Because it can be very believeable when presented by a slick defense atty who knows how to get in a juror's head. I did not know about the "no premeditation" law in Alabama. Makes things a little better. Ever since the Casey Anthony trial, Ive just been real cautious of Capital Murder charges and making them stick. I guess it's the prosecutor's call on the %'s. JR, what would you do in this case (since this is what you do)? Hypothetically of course.....
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None of this will matter. Woosie is not a white hispanic, so this black on black crime will take two years to prosecute and then slowly fizz away. All the while, you bama taxpayers are footing the bill for three hots and cot.
No, this aint going away quietly, and won't linger longer than necessary.
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No, this aint going away quietly, and won't linger longer than necessary.
If this was in Montgomery or in Russell Country (neighboring Lee), I would agree with CCT. Since it's in Lee, I concur with your statement. It's all about demographics, wrongly or not.
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If this was in Montgomery or in Russell Country (neighboring Lee), I would agree with CCT. Since it's in Lee, I concur with your statement. It's all about demographics, wrongly or not.
But with that being said, what is the first thing his lawyer will ask for?
CHANGE OF VENUE!
Then it fizzes away.
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If this was in Montgomery or in Russell Country (neighboring Lee), I would agree with CCT. Since it's in Lee, I concur with your statement. It's all about demographics, wrongly or not.
Treese has been bombarded with these high profile cases relatively speaking. The girl that was kidnapped and murdered, though that was before he was the head guy, Updyke, the Felony 4, and now this. Seeing how he's already gotten one of the Felony 4 convicted, that tells me he's moving them pretty fast.
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But with that being said, what is the first thing his lawyer will ask for?
CHANGE OF VENUE!
Then it fizzes away.
Big fucking deal legal genius. She can ask for anything, there's no cause to have this venue changed.
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it's like everyone on this board is a lawyer.
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it's like everyone on this board is a lawyer.
I'm just a lowly engineer. Wake me up when ya'll want to know how many amps to use or how far to drop and how thick the rope.
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Big fucking deal legal genius. She can ask for anything, there's no cause to have this venue changed.
Really? No cause? Ha! You wish. You can honestly say that the jury pool is not tainted in Lee county on this one incident? Because it would not take a whole lot for this to be retried later because of this exact issue. It has happened many times before. It will happen again.
I would love to see him get his. But the law does allow for this very situation. It is to avoid a lynch mob mentality. And you would have to reach deep into Lee county's back woods to find someone who did not want this guy lynched. OR at least find some resident bammers.
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Really? No cause? Ha! You wish. You can honestly say that the jury pool is not tainted in Lee county on this one incident? Because it would not take a whole lot for this to be retried later because of this exact issue. It has happened many times before. It will happen again.
I would love to see him get his. But the law does allow for this very situation. It is to avoid a lynch mob mentality. And you would have to reach deep into Lee county's back woods to find someone who did not want this guy lynched. OR at least find some resident bammers.
You watch too much TV, and listen to too many people like yourself grouse about lawyers and law out of sheer ignorance.
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it's like everyone on this board is a lawyer.
So this lawyer is on a plane and finds himself seated between two doctors. The exchanges between them are less than cordial. At one point, one of the doctors says, "I need a beer". The other doctor chimes in, "Yeah, me too". The lawyer decides to make nice and says, "Hold on guys, keep your seats. I'll go grab those beers."
While he's gone, the doctors notice he took his shoes off, so they get the idea of harking up a couple of loogs and spitting them in his shoes. The lawyer returns with their beers and things go smoothly for the rest of the flight....until he puts his shoes on. He turns to the doctors and says,
"Look, I know our two professions have never gotten along. Isn't it time we stop all the petty jokes, the spitting in shoes, the pissing in beers....."
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Also, don't know if they had the Benjamins to hire Susan for anything more than negotiating the peaceful surrender. If they did, he's got somebody backing him with a load of cash. Can't see her taking this case without $50K in cash up front. And it wouldn't shock me if it took 6 figures.
I'm scared to know who would be backing him. Maybe he's involved in the drug business?
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I'm just a lowly engineer. Wake me up when ya'll want to know how many amps to use or how far to drop and how thick the rope.
We can get a steel structure built for this done quickly.
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I'm scared to know who would be backing him. Maybe he's involved in the drug business?
I'm just saying, she won't come cheap. And as I said, I don't know if she's been retained beyond negotiating the surrender, which she did quite well. Hell, Woosie might have a rich Auntee.
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I'm just saying, she won't come cheap. And as I said, I don't know if she's been retained beyond negotiating the surrender, which she did quite well. Hell, Woosie might have a rich Auntee.
Named Peaches.
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Named Peaches.
Lives with Uncle Herb
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it's like everyone on this board is a lawyer.
I can only go on what I know, and it's also why I am asking weskie and JR questions. They are the experts.
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I can only go on what I know, and it's also why I am asking weskie and JR questions. They are the experts.
And your concern about there being a viable defense in this case is well founded.
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Really? No cause? Ha! You wish. You can honestly say that the jury pool is not tainted in Lee county on this one incident? Because it would not take a whole lot for this to be retried later because of this exact issue. It has happened many times before. It will happen again.
I would love to see him get his. But the law does allow for this very situation. It is to avoid a lynch mob mentality. And you would have to reach deep into Lee county's back woods to find someone who did not want this guy lynched. OR at least find some resident bammers.
This is why Juror selection is an extremely complex process. Especially on a murder trial. Each side gets throw aways/strikes and they come to middle ground in front of the judge eventually on the dirty dozen. On the one I sat on last June, juror selection took half a day and it wasn't even capital murder. I didn't realize how complex of a thing it was until I went through it personally. JR is right, TV is much different than real life.
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Thank God Woodbery will be there giving us multiple updates every single day of the trial.
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This is why Juror selection is an extremely complex process. Especially on a murder trial. Each side gets throw aways/strikes and they come to middle ground in front of the judge eventually on the dirty dozen. On the one I sat on last June, juror selection took half a day and it wasn't even capital murder. I didn't realize how complex of a thing it was until I went through it personally. JR is right, TV is much different than real life.
First, it's the trial judge's discretion when ruling on CoV. Only clear abuse of that discretion will cause it to be overturned. That's a huge hurdle to overcome. Second, the Def. must show actual prejudice against him, or that the community was saturated with pre-trial publicity. Also, the length of time between the publicity and the trial are considered. The coverage now will be scaled back, and largely just report on the progress of the case through the system. Jurors can even have preconceived notions about his guilt, but if they can tell the court under oath that they can put aside their prejudice, listen to the evidence, and make a ruling based on that and the law, then you can seat an impartial jury.
Fact is, contrary to what CCT believes, changes of venue are rare, and being overturned on appeal for failure to grant one is even more rare. One problem is, CCT believes that everybody thinks like him, or they're a crack head, and so, since he can't put aside his preconceived notions, he thinks nobody else can either. There's lots of rational, thinking, intelligent people out there willing to hear the facts, and law, and make a decision based on that.
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Thank God Woodbery will be there giving us multiple updates every single day of the trial.
That's only if he can find that "nugget" that makes Auburn look bad like Finebaum keeps suggesting.
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To those discussing it: there's no "premeditation" in Alabama law.
I certainly defer to the expert. Law school was a long time ago, but I still remember Bob Goodwin drilling into our heads: "murder is the unlawful taking of another's life with malice aforethought."
Of course he was the same guy that managed to work a joint into every hypo. Discussing B&E? Here's your hypo: Let's suppose you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you walk outside to get some air. You see your neighbor's window slightly ajar...
Or how about an assault discussion? Let's say you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you get into an argument with your neighbor about the football game on television.
Never had anything to do with the hypo...he just loved talking about the weed.
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First, it's the trial judge's discretion when ruling on CoV. Only clear abuse of that discretion will cause it to be overturned. That's a huge hurdle to overcome. Second, the Def. must show actual prejudice against him, or that the community was saturated with pre-trial publicity. Also, the length of time between the publicity and the trial are considered. The coverage now will be scaled back, and largely just report on the progress of the case through the system. Jurors can even have preconceived notions about his guilt, but if they can tell the court under oath that they can put aside their prejudice, listen to the evidence, and make a ruling based on that and the law, then you can seat an impartial jury.
Fact is, contrary to what CCT believes, changes of venue are rare, and being overturned on appeal for failure to grant one is even more rare. One problem is, CCT believes that everybody thinks like him, or they're a crack head, and so, since he can't put aside his preconceived notions, he thinks nobody else can either. There's lots of rational, thinking, intelligent people out there willing to hear the facts, and law, and make a decision based on that.
All I know is there is a guy in SC sitting in prison for life after being sentenced to death in one county. Then the trial was retried in another county due to the original venue being determined that the jury pool was tainted in that county. This guy raped and killed a teenaged girl. Yet, he got a new trial because the county he did it in was like Lee county and AU, not enough jurors that had an open mind.
See. This case was not on TV. It was one them real life things that us ignorant unwashed non-cocksucking types notice. So take your Law and Order hatred and shove it up your ass.
Now you know why folks have contempt for know it all lawyers like you.
In the end, what I suggested is possible. We'll see.
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I certainly defer to the expert. Law school was a long time ago, but I still remember Bob Goodwin drilling into our heads: "murder is the unlawful taking of another's life with malice aforethought."
Of course he was the same guy that managed to work a joint into every hypo. Discussing B&E? Here's your hypo: Let's suppose you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you walk outside to get some air. You see your neighbor's window slightly ajar...
Or how about an assault discussion? Let's say you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you get into an argument with your neighbor about the football game on television.
Never had anything to do with the hypo...he just loved talking about the weed.
That's old Common Law, and may be the old statutory law for Murder 1st degree. And, in reality, Malice aforethought is "intent".
All that must be proved is "intent" which can be formed in a "flash" or "the blink of an eye". I forget the exact wording, and can't find the case. To prove Capital Murder, you must prove the specific intent to kill, and that's different from Recklessness. That's another issue here. Yes he fired a gun. However, he's going to raise self defense. He can say "I didn't intend to kill, merely to stop the aggression against me, and I certainly didn't mean to kill the other people." Will it work? Can't say. Depends on what witnesses say. If he had some homies there that have clean records, or even better, witnesses with no bias, that can say Woosie got attacked and he fought back, then he may stand a chance. I can't see him walking free unless there's strong evidence like that. Maybe an injury on his head from the bottle. Unlike in the movies, those things don't break easily on someone's noggin. Hitting someone in the head with a bottle, in my best legal opinion, certainly elevates the danger enough to respond with deadly force. If you don't think so, try hitting a cop in the head with a bottle and see if you don't get shot. The devil is in the details of this case, and they don't even come close to turning on "he brought a gun to a party, he intended to kill someone".
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I certainly defer to the expert. Law school was a long time ago, but I still remember Bob Goodwin drilling into our heads: "murder is the unlawful taking of another's life with malice aforethought."
Of course he was the same guy that managed to work a joint into every hypo. Discussing B&E? Here's your hypo: Let's suppose you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you walk outside to get some air. You see your neighbor's window slightly ajar...
Or how about an assault discussion? Let's say you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you get into an argument with your neighbor about the football game on television.
Never had anything to do with the hypo...he just loved talking about the weed.
No need to ask who was his favorite student.
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All I know is there is a guy in SC sitting in prison for life after being sentenced to death in one county. Then the trial was retried in another county due to the original venue being determined that the jury pool was tainted in that county. This guy raped and killed a teenaged girl. Yet, he got a new trial because the county he did it in was like Lee county and AU, not enough jurors that had an open mind.
See. This case was not on TV. It was one them real life things that us ignorant unwashed non-cocksucking types notice. So take your Law and Order hatred and shove it up your ass.
Now you know why folks have contempt for know it all lawyers like you.
In the end, what I suggested is possible. We'll see.
So, do you run your entire life making decisions based on one anecdotal incident that is contrary to the overwhelming majority of cases? One case? From SC? That's what you got? Srsly? What you post is more clear evidence that your hatred and contempt for lawyers, law, and the system is grounded in the anomalies, and not the realities.
I'm sitting here browsing through dozens of ALABAMA cases where a Motion for CoV was denied, a conviction had, and upheld by the appellate courts.
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All I know is there is a guy in SC sitting in prison for life after being sentenced to death in one county. Then the trial was retried in another county due to the original venue being determined that the jury pool was tainted in that county. This guy raped and killed a teenaged girl. Yet, he got a new trial because the county he did it in was like Lee county and AU, not enough jurors that had an open mind.
See. This case was not on TV. It was one them real life things that us ignorant unwashed non-cocksucking types notice. So take your Law and Order hatred and shove it up your ass.
Now you know why folks have contempt for know it all lawyers like you.
In the end, what I suggested is possible. We'll see.
I love the smell of anecdotal evidence in the morning.
Sure, it's possible, but it's un-fucking-likeley.
Stick to what you know: hating the brown folk.
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AWK moved to Houston?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
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Stick to what you know: hating the brown folk.
The just want to go to nurses school and to be loved.
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So, do you run your entire life making decisions based on one anecdotal incident that is contrary to the overwhelming majority of cases? One case? From SC? That's what you got? Srsly? What you post is more clear evidence that your hatred and contempt for lawyers, law, and the system is grounded in the anomalies, and not the realities.
I'm sitting here browsing through dozens of ALABAMA cases where a Motion for CoV was denied, a conviction had, and upheld by the appellate courts.
You guys should fuck already.
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Stick to what you know: hating the brown folk.
I chortled.
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Jurors can even have preconceived notions about his guilt, but if they can tell the court under oath that they can put aside their prejudice, listen to the evidence, and make a ruling based on that and the law, then you can seat an impartial jury.
I was that juror. Even told Judge Walker I had certain notions and beliefs. But also told him I could be objective regardless when I was asked. I was selected out of nearly 200 people that showed up that morning.
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So, do you run your entire life making decisions based on one anecdotal incident that is contrary to the overwhelming majority of cases?
Hell yeah I do. When shit happens, it does not matter that it only happened a few times. Only that it happened to you or someone you knew. So even if you great lawyers say it will not happen, one thing we have learned dealing with great lawyers and the law, is that even great lawyers don't know what will happen.
If this does get moved and he gets less of a sentence, then what will the great lawyers say?
I love it when great legal opinion deals in absolutes.
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I love the smell of anecdotal evidence in the morning.
Sure, it's possible, but it's un-fucking-likeley.
Stick to what you know: hating the brown folk.
Are lawyers brown?
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Hell yeah I do. When shit happens, it does not matter that it only happened a few times. Only that it happened to you or someone you knew. So even if you great lawyers say it will not happen, one thing we have learned dealing with great lawyers and the law, is that even great lawyers don't know what will happen.
If this does get moved and he gets less of a sentence, then what will the great lawyers say?
I love it when great legal opinion deals in absolutes.
LOL, u r funny. As Wes stated...possible, but unfucking likely. I stated a legal opinion. Your response there is weak. Very weak. And you're starting to head off to childish land.
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LOL, u r funny. As Wes stated...possible, but unfucking likely. I stated a legal opinion. Your response there is weak. Very weak. And you're starting to head off to childish land.
Yes. Because anyone who does not agree with the great lawyer/football coach is a child?
I made a statement that the venue would get moved and this guy would not get his like he should and you pulled out your big lawyer penis and started blasting. Maybe you could have allowed for the possibility and stated that it was unlikely, but that is not what you did.
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My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages. Thank you.
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Yes. Because anyone who does not agree with the great lawyer/football coach is a child?
I made a statement that the venue would get moved and this guy would not get his like he should and you pulled out your big lawyer penis and started blasting. Maybe you could have allowed for the possibility and stated that it was unlikely, but that is not what you did.
You made the statement it would based on some anecdotal evidence from another state, but I'm waiving my legal penis around to counter with a statement it won't based on Alabama case law, and my legal experience. You don't soft peddle shit, and I'm not going to soft peddle it to you. Your legal opinion sux. The end. The great lawyer hath spoken.
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You made the statement it would based on some anecdotal evidence from another state, but I'm waiving my legal penis around to counter with a statement it won't based on Alabama case law, and my legal experience. You don't soft peddle shit, and I'm not going to soft peddle it to you. Your legal opinion sux. The end. The great lawyer hath spoken.
If you'll go back and read, I did not state where my opinion came from until later. I made one simple statement and you brought out your tiny lawyer penis (the more you argue, the smaller it gets).
The fact is we both want him to get the maximum he deserves. I am skeptical about it, you seem more sure. I just hope that the prosecutors in charge follow all of the right procedures in order to insure maximum justice. If not, you'll have a lot of legal explaining to do!
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If you'll go back and read, I did not state where my opinion came from until later. I made one simple statement and you brought out your tiny lawyer penis (the more you argue, the smaller it gets).
The fact is we both want him to get the maximum he deserves. I am skeptical about it, you seem more sure. I just hope that the prosecutors in charge follow all of the right procedures in order to insure maximum justice. If not, you'll have a lot of legal explaining to do!
Hey, I'm not afraid of being wrong! Ever. I offer an opinion when I have one, and when I think it's solidly grounded. Don't know what you do for a living, but unless it's law, or law related, I'd probably ask your opinion on it, rather than give mine because there's a fair chance my opinion would be worthless. I don't offer opinions on how to program computers or build bridge to our resident gear head and computer nerds, because I only know what little I see as an observer. My opinion on such matters is worthless. I don't even offer snags opinions on the civil law side, as my opinion would be only slightly less worthless than yours.
I don't fear a change of venue. Even if it got changed, there's no assurance it would be a bad venue for the state. I do fear facts coming out that might help him get less of a sentence than I think he deserves. And I'll say this, if he was defending himself, I think he had that right. He made a stupid choice to fire a gun in a crowd, but if he was absolutely defending himself, he had that right, and it will be tough to reconcile that with innocent bystanders being shot and killed. I don't even pretend that the case is a slam dunk, but I'd be shocked if venue got changed. It's just not that kind of case. Will the motion be filed? Likely, but I don't see where they could find evidence to support the motion.
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My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages. Thank you.
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Hey, I'm not afraid of being wrong! Ever. I offer an opinion when I have one, and when I think it's solidly grounded. Don't know what you do for a living, but unless it's law, or law related, I'd probably ask your opinion on it, rather than give mine because there's a fair chance my opinion would be worthless. I don't offer opinions on how to program computers or build bridge to our resident gear head and computer nerds, because I only know what little I see as an observer. My opinion on such matters is worthless. I don't even offer snags opinions on the civil law side, as my opinion would be only slightly less worthless than yours.
I don't fear a change of venue. Even if it got changed, there's no assurance it would be a bad venue for the state. I do fear facts coming out that might help him get less of a sentence than I think he deserves. And I'll say this, if he was defending himself, I think he had that right. He made a stupid choice to fire a gun in a crowd, but if he was absolutely defending himself, he had that right, and it will be tough to reconcile that with innocent bystanders being shot and killed. I don't even pretend that the case is a slam dunk, but I'd be shocked if venue got changed. It's just not that kind of case. Will the motion be filed? Likely, but I don't see where they could find evidence to support the motion.
What an awesome response. You just added a few inches back.
Now if all of your other little brown friends were as nice.
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I say it gets moved
Unless it doesn't
And I have a small lawyer penis
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I say it gets moved
Unless it doesn't
And I have a small lawyer penis
Don't sell yourself short, that fucker is 2 inches long, but like a cheese wheel around.
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What an awesome response. You just added a few inches back.
Now if all of your other little brown friends were as nice.
I thought you enjoyed the back and forth! Opinion and penis jousting.
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Don't sell yourself short, that fucker is 2 inches long, but like a cheese wheel around.
He Cares!
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He Cares!
allegedly
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penis jousting.
You better get a handle on that.
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You better get a handle on that.
Remember: don't cross the streams.
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Don't sell yourself short, that fudgeer is 2 inches long, but like a cheese wheel around.
He won't hit bottom, but he will stretch out the edges.
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Remember: don't cross the streams.
Venkman, shorten your stream! I don't want my face burned off!
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Venkman, shorten your stream! I don't want my face burned off!
Everybody has three mortgages these days.
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I certainly defer to the expert. Law school was a long time ago, but I still remember Bob Goodwin drilling into our heads: "murder is the unlawful taking of another's life with malice aforethought."
Of course he was the same guy that managed to work a joint into every hypo. Discussing B&E? Here's your hypo: Let's suppose you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you walk outside to get some air. You see your neighbor's window slightly ajar...
Or how about an assault discussion? Let's say you're at home smoking a marijuana cigarette and you get into an argument with your neighbor about the football game on television.
Never had anything to do with the hypo...he just loved talking about the weed.
That silly Goodwin. He spent a lot of time on a bestiality case with us...and introduced marijuana into the fact pattern as well.
Talk about riding high on your horse...
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All this discussion of change of venue...
Has the judge in the Harvey Updyke case ruled yet on the change of venue? If they proved that Harvey couldn't get a fair trial in Auburn, I don't see how this case would be any different.
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All this discussion of change of venue...
Has the judge in the Harvey Updyke case ruled yet on the change of venue? If they proved that Harvey couldn't get a fair trial in Auburn, I don't see how this case would be any different.
Who is the judge, Hughes or Walker? IMHO Hughes is the hardass of the two.
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All this discussion of change of venue...
Has the judge in the Harvey Updyke case ruled yet on the change of venue? If they proved that Harvey couldn't get a fair trial in Auburn, I don't see how this case would be any different.
I can. Updyke is far more likely to get a change of venue than Leonard.
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This case made the national news. Wasn't just a state issue. I'd be shocked to see a change of venue.
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I only did about a year and a half of criminal work and never faced a change of venue issue. So, I honestly am no more an expert on the subject than anyone else on here. I am certain the Court will have to take it up, probably early on, and whether it happens I have no clue.
The shootings immediately became a national event, strictly because of who was involved. Had this happened at some neighborhood party and no players and/or students been involved, it might have made the Montgomery paper and the only people talking about it would be a handful of Finebaum callers using it to stir the pot about Awbren. But the fact that it did involve Auburn students and players, it hit close to home. We feel like we have a connection to those people. Some of our own were attacked and killed. And I would imagine that the citizens of Auburn are not only upset about the losses of some of their own, but angry as hell over this Woosie Woo coming to the Lovliest Village and causing a massacre.
I do see some similarities with the Updyke case as I would have to think that those same Auburn citizens are angry as hell, as we all are, over this guy....a rival fan at that...coming into their town and not only destroying property, but stealing a time honored tradition. I can see James, or whoever, having a compelling argument to move the case. Whether it's allowed or not, I could only guess.
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I only did about a year and a half of criminal work and never faced a change of venue issue. So, I honestly am no more an expert on the subject than anyone else on here. I am certain the Court will have to take it up, probably early on, and whether it happens I have no clue.
The shootings immediately became a national event, strictly because of who was involved. Had this happened at some neighborhood party and no players and/or students been involved, it might have made the Montgomery paper and the only people talking about it would be a handful of Finebaum callers using it to stir the pot about Awbren. But the fact that it did involve Auburn students and players, it hit close to home. We feel like we have a connection to those people. Some of our own were attacked and killed. And I would imagine that the citizens of Auburn are not only upset about the losses of some of their own, but angry as hell over this Woosie Woo coming to the Lovliest Village and causing a massacre.
I do see some similarities with the Updyke case as I would have to think that those same Auburn citizens are angry as hell, as we all are, over this guy....a rival fan at that...coming into their town and not only destroying property, but stealing a time honored tradition. I can see James, or whoever, having a compelling argument to move the case. Whether it's allowed or not, I could only guess.
I had a change of venue one night in Lee County. Fucking bouncers kicked me out of Blue Room/Neons (now the Sky Bar) and I was forced to finish the night at Bodega. Damn bouncers are tools I tell ya. I bet they sit around and watch roadhouse and talk about bouncing, and fondle themselves.
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I had a change of venue one night in Lee County. Fucking bouncers kicked me out of Blue Room/Neons (now the Sky Bar) and I was forced to finish the night at Bodega. Damn bouncers are tools I tell ya. I bet they sit around and watch roadhouse and talk about bouncing, and fondle themselves.
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Just trying to contribute my cherry picked anecdotal evidence as it concerns change of venue in Lee County for getting in trouble. And now you know......the rest of the story. Good DAY!
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I had a change of venue one night in Lee County. Fucking bouncers kicked me out of Blue Room/Neons (now the Sky Bar) and I was forced to finish the night at Bodega. Damn bouncers are tools I tell ya. I bet they sit around and watch roadhouse and talk about bouncing, and fondle themselves.
I didn't want to be drunk in pub LICK! I wanted to be drunk in that bar!
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I didn't want to be drunk in pub LICK! I wanted to be drunk in that bar!
I didn't know how many of em it was gonna' take....but I knew how many they were gonna' use.
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I can. Updyke is far more likely to get a change of venue than Leonard.
Why? Both affect the Auburn community/Auburn fans. Why do we have 38 pages and counting discussing this? We wouldn't if it happened in any other city in the US.
I can. Updyke is far more likely to get a change of venue than Leonard.
I would say Updyke had even more national coverage.
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they call me Tater Salad!
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Why? Both affect the Auburn community/Auburn fans. Why do we have 38 pages and counting discussing this? We wouldn't if it happened in any other city in the US.
I would say Updyke had even more national coverage.
That was a direct result of the rivalry, specifically aimed at Auburn University. This, as far as we know, wasn't.
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Not sure if posted somewhere, but this is supposedly his mugshot. Maybe the gash from the broken beer bottle is on the back of his head?
(http://mcso.mc-ala.org/pubquery/ShowImage.ashx?id=116921)
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Not sure if posted somewhere, but this is supposedly his mugshot. Maybe the gash from the broken beer bottle is on the back of his head?
(http://mcso.mc-ala.org/pubquery/ShowImage.ashx?id=116921)
It's obvious he was hit square on the top of the head. You can see the swelling.
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Why? Both affect the Auburn community/Auburn fans. Why do we have 38 pages and counting discussing this? We wouldn't if it happened in any other city in the US.
I would say Updyke had even more national coverage.
National coverage isn't even an issue to consider.
Two things: Can the defendant show ACTUAL prejudice against him on the part o of the jurors, or a showing where there is already presumed prejudice resulting from a saturation of PREJUDICIAL pretrial publicity that no impartial jury can be selected. Can't prove #1 until it's time for trial. I don't think this case has had any more than normal prejudicial news coverage.
Neither of those prongs can be proved at this point, and I doubt that they can at all. Extensive pretrial publicity alone isn't enough to constitute grounds for a change of venue. Jurors are not required to have no knowledge of the case, nor are they required to not have an opinion of the case.
The publicity itself, has been, for the large part, simply factual in nature, and not prejudicial to the defendant here. In Updyke's case, it has been BUT largely by his own doing! You can't create the prejudice yourself then expect a change of venue.
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Just cuz yo head shaped like a bullet don't make you a big shot, boyeeeee
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Seriously, on the long list of reasons he's an idiot, not doing this during the 2 days he was on the run is amongst them.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi9daw_jack-s-smirking-revenge_shortfilms
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Not sure if posted somewhere, but this is supposedly his mugshot. Maybe the gash from the broken beer bottle is on the back of his head?
(http://mcso.mc-ala.org/pubquery/ShowImage.ashx?id=116921)
not a spec of insulation either. combed out well.
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I just noticed all the artwork on his neck. He'll fit in nicely in prison.
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Not sure if posted somewhere, but this is supposedly his mugshot. Maybe the gash from the broken beer bottle is on the back of his head?
What the WHITE man won't tell you, is THIS is the real picture of him turning himself in.
(http://guardianlv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Miami-cannibal-victim-supports-NBA-Heat-On-the-road-to-recovery-guardian-express-ifrackle.jpg)
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What the fuck happened to that dude?
And what were you searching for when you found that?
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Is that the face-eater victim?
Holy fuck.
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What the fuck happened to that dude?
And what were you searching for when you found that?
I take it you don't read the news.
http://waznmentobe.com/crime-2/miami-cannibal-victim-recovering-graphic-image.html
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Is that the face-eater victim?
Holy fuck.
Actually, he looks amazing compared to right after it happened.
I won't post that, but if you haven't seen it and want to, just google image "cannibal victim".
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More reason to Zombie proof your shit.
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Actually, he looks amazing compared to right after it happened.
I won't post that, but if you haven't seen it and want to, just google image "cannibal victim".
I posted it to the Fine Young Cannibals thread. Completely unnerving.
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So, now they're saying that after he got hit with the bottle, he left (with his buddy that's facing a court appearance for the murder of a 14 year old girl this week) got his gun, then came back, blocked the front door and started shooting.
If that's the case, that's premeditated and maybe kidnapping or holding them hostage, plus Capitol Murder and his other gun charges from a year or so ago. He'll be getting Life without parole or the Death Penalty.
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So, now they're saying that after he got hit with the bottle, he left (with his buddy that's facing a court appearance for the murder of a 14 year old girl this week) got his gun, then came back, blocked the front door and started shooting.
Who is "they"?
And if he got hit with a bottle it was a plastic one. You get hit in the head/face with a bottle? You got a bump.
Yeah. Blocking the door and blasting away is the appropriate response.
I'm full of rage. Full of it. But how do you get so mad that blowing up a room full of people who didn't do shit to you becomes the rational reaction?
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The original witness said he blocked the doors and started shooting into the club house crowd. (https://twitter.com/HABOTN/status/211871733899202562) It makes sense to me that he was able to do this because he left and came back when no one else was by the entrance. Makes more sense than it being a kneejerk reaction to getting a bottle busted over his head like Quick Draw McGraw.
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This'll be great... :facepalm:
https://twitter.com/MarveLous_KriS/status/213023629900910594
Woosie got court at 9am tomorrow morning at the Lee County Justice Center...let's all meet at the Raceway on the blvd at 8am and convoy down
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This'll be great... :facepalm:
https://twitter.com/MarveLous_KriS/status/213023629900910594
See this is whats wrong with much of the younger folks now. People do shit and feel like they shouldn't
be held responsible for it because it was someone elses fault anyways. Complete disconnect.
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I'm full of rage. Full of it. But how do you get so mad that blowing up a room full of people who didn't do shit to you becomes the rational reaction?
I don't get it, but it's common. Get dissed? Go get yo gat and start sprayin' the joint with lead. Someone looks at yo ho wrong? Go get a 9 and off him while he's in a crowded club.
I tried a case one time, actually 4 times because there were 4 defendants. 2 dudes verbally "get in to it" in the club, and one says "Ima break that chopper out on yo ass" as he was asked to leave. He apparently got his buds in on it too. As they drove out of the lot (you have to imagine a block building with extension cords run to it for power from the trailer next door and a dirt lot big enough to squeeze in maybe 15 cars) they stopped on the road and 2 got out of the car and started firing in to the crown about 40 yards away, one with a pistol, and one with an AK47. At the side of the lot, another of the 4 grabs his pump 12 gauge and starts spraying the crowd. At least 2 from the crowd returned fire but hit nothing, one was a probation officer with his service weapon. 5 people shot, one in the head, and he's not been right since, and two lost legs below the knee. Both young men. When I asked one of the victim what he and the other guy had "got in to it about" he said, "I don't really recall". This victim is also a defendant in another case where he's charged with shooting in to an occupied dwelling at a certain guy, and I ask him "why do you and Frank shoot at each other" and he replies "cuz we just don't see eye to eye." No shit! One with permanent brain damage, and two with lost legs and nobody can say what the verbal altercation was even about. And then another one shoots at a guy that also has shot at him cuz "they don't see eye to eye".
Can any of you explain it? I mean I deal with the legal end of this shit all the time, and that's not the only "club shooting" or "party shooting" I've tried, but I'll be damned if I know why they do it, when they themselves can't even tell me. Beats all I ever saw or imagined!
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Can any of you explain it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giAmhbHS1K0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giAmhbHS1K0)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seuPF9epIBA
We strapped. Represent
This is how people are raised today. NOT firing into a crowd is a sign of weakness.
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I'm full of rage. Full of it. But how do you get so mad that blowing up a room full of people who didn't do shit to you becomes the rational reaction?
tomato on your burger, sir?
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tomato on your burger, sir?
Death sentence.
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Ok. Enough. Who or what the hell is HABOTN?
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Ok. Enough. Who or what the hell is HABOTN?
I'm relatively sure that that's Clay Travis.
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Ok. Enough. Who or what the hell is HABOTN?
Hottest Auburn Blog On The Net.
Jay Tate. Montgomery Advertiser.
http://madvertiserblogs.com/HABOTN/
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Hottest Auburn Blog On The Net.
Jay Tate. Montgomery Advertiser.
http://madvertiserblogs.com/HABOTN/
I stand corrected.
Doesn't Travis have a blog with a similarly cumbersome "acronym"?
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I stand corrected.
Doesn't Travis have a blog with a similarly cumbersome "acronym"?
OKTC
OutkKcked The Coverage
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See this is whats wrong with much of the younger folks now. People do shit and feel like they shouldn't
be held responsible for it because it was someone elses fault anyways. Complete disconnect.
Exactly. I was thinking about this the other day. Society has just gone to shit. When I was a kid, either you talked the it out or somebody got their ass stomped, and it was over. No big deal. Everything was all good the next day. Now? You have all of these pussies who have to go kill somebody over something completely stupid. And to them, they just don't understand how they can be in trouble. Ridiculous.
Now all of you kids stay off of my damn lawn!
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OKTC
OutkKcked The Coverage
Even though Travis pissed me off with the Newton stuff and other things, I like his writing far more than I ever will that Tate hack.
"It all da white man's fault yo" - until they get out of this mentality and start looking in the mirror (as Bill Cosby has told them to do), this will keep happening. As long as you make an excuse, it gives an out to get away with bad behavoir. You pull a gun and you pull the trigger, its all on YOU.
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@HABOTN
Leonard wasn't asked to make a plea. Susan James is Leonard's court-appointed attorney, though she wasn't here.
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Even though Travis pissed me off with the Newton stuff and other things, I like his writing far more than I ever will that Tate hack.
"It all da white man's fault yo" - until they get out of this mentality and start looking in the mirror (as Bill Cosby has told them to do), this will keep happening. As long as you make an excuse, it gives an out to get away with bad behavoir. You pull a gun and you pull the trigger, its all on YOU.
Come on...seriously?
Tate irks me from time to time, but the guy's a journalist. Clay Travis is a blogger. Pretty much a Sports By Brooks wanna-be, and nothing more.
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@HABOTN I repeat, there was NO tear gas used.
:rofl:
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Come on...seriously?
Tate irks me from time to time, but the guy's a journalist. Clay Travis is a blogger. Pretty much a Sports By Brooks wanna-be, and nothing more.
Sorry, but Travis is a better writer. And being as he is a blogger and about as factually accurate as Gay Tate, should say a lot about Tate. Just saying....
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:rofl:
Where was Clay Travis during all this? Tweeting about Mad Men and NBA finals.
The extension of his "coverage" was about 2 or 3 retweets from Cole Cublic.
I'm not saying Tate is perfect, in fact I've griped plenty in this very thread about him.
But come on, dude. Travis is no more skilled a writer than Webb Hudson.
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But come on, dude. Travis is no more skilled a writer than Webb Hudson.
You shut your dirty whorish mouf.
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Webb Hudson? What a goofy name. Who the hell is that?
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Where was Clay Travis during all this? Tweeting about Mad Men and NBA finals.
The extension of his "coverage" was about 2 or 3 retweets from Cole Cublic.
I'm not saying Tate is perfect, in fact I've griped plenty in this very thread about him.
But come on, dude. Travis is no more skilled a writer than Webb Hudson.
Travis isn't the beat writer for our school. Tate is a "beat writer" for Auburn for the paper of the State Capitol. Of course, I expect him to be more involved. He's just a typical reporter, to me, looking for that scoop at any expense, even if it means making up shit he has no clue about. By the way of beat writer homer types, I would prefer Phillip or Goldberg. Even Hokansen (sp??). Just a personal preference I guess.
While not always deep in substance (since he IS a blogger), Travis' articles are witty and well written. You can tell the dude is sharp, even if it borderlines on being a smartass. Doesn't hurt that he pokes fun of Bammers a lot too. He does his job (IMHO) better than Tate does his.
Webb Hudson is a god. :thumsup:
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Judges love black tees.
Also, THS, I don't see the bottle damage on the back of his head either...go figure...
(https://p.twimg.com/AvWuRvxCAAEMOCS.jpg)
(https://p.twimg.com/AvWuo4zCIAEJCyg.jpg)
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It's so hard to pull your pants up when you're cuffed like that.
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I chuckled at this:
B.Jones â€@KlarenceKarter
@myfoxal just mentioned #teamwoosie on their braodcast. are you freakin' serious?! next time someone asks my race... i'm checking other!"
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And I chuckled at this:
Najee Adams
WoOsIe dog u got e lotta mf against ya but Im wit cha u a good Nigga n mf running dey souf det don't even kno ya...but i kno u gone beat det SHIT str^...only u n whoeva was in det complex n GoD kno wat happened....so fuck all da bs Free My Nigga#teamWoOsie
17 hours ago via mobile ·
Najee Adams typo runnin dey mouf
17 hours ago via mobile
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One thing I want to bring up.
I see where this bitch (and I know she's probably a mentor to some of you, but to me she's bitch) who is defending the shooting fucker is being described as his "court appointed" attorney.
Unless I'm wrong you wouldn't know that while on the run and would therefore not be calling her to negotiate your surrender. Since she was the one that negotiated the surrender and the stupid whore rode around for an hour with the murdering fuck before he surrendered, that "court appointed" shit can suck a dog dick.
And also the fact that this whore went to get him and drove him to the jail rather than informing law enforcement where to find him? Fuck her. He should have taken her moldy ass hostage.
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And I chuckled at this:
People like that give the "evolution from primates and one celled organisms" argument tons of validity.
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And I chuckled at this:
Chuckled hell...that shit is classic. You can't make something like that up...
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@HABOTN
Leonard wasn't asked to make a plea. Susan James is Leonard's court-appointed attorney, though she wasn't here.
Susan James court appointed? So Lee Co. now lets you choose who they will appoint as your attorney?
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Susan James court appointed? So Lee Co. now lets you choose who they will appoint as your attorney?
They are very progressive in that respect.
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One thing I want to bring up.
I see where this bitch (and I know she's probably a mentor to some of you, but to me she's bitch) who is defending the shooting fucker is being described as his "court appointed" attorney.
Unless I'm wrong you wouldn't know that while on the run and would therefore not be calling her to negotiate your surrender. Since she was the one that negotiated the surrender and the stupid whore rode around for an hour with the murdering fuck before he surrendered, that "court appointed" shit can suck a dog dick.
And also the fact that this whore went to get him and drove him to the jail rather than informing law enforcement where to find him? Fuck her. He should have taken her moldy ass hostage.
I seriously doubt she's court appointed.
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I seriously doubt she's court appointed.
Funny how that worked, isn't it?
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Funny how that worked, isn't it?
Somebody is giving up that money for Mr. Woosie. "Court Appointed" is just another term for "keep it
on the down low".
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And I chuckled at this:
I still can't read it.
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Funny how that worked, isn't it?
If she is, yeah!
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I still can't read it.
It's not the read it part...
Fuck it...nevermind...
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If she is, yeah!
http://www2.oanow.com/news/2012/jun/14/attorney-represent-auburn-shooting-suspect-desmont-ar-3971694/
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http://www2.oanow.com/news/2012/jun/14/attorney-represent-auburn-shooting-suspect-desmont-ar-3971694/
Hmmm, the she must have some pull with the District Judge there. Our judge says "hire whoever you want, or I'll appoint the local attorney next up on my list, your choice."
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http://www2.oanow.com/news/2012/jun/14/attorney-represent-auburn-shooting-suspect-desmont-ar-3971694/
I just found that on the interwebs as well and was just about to post that.
What kind of bullshit is this? Not only did Susan James request to be appointed, but apparently "Montgomery attorney Jeff Duffey will assist James’ firm with the defense."
So the fucker gets a high profile attorney appointed, and some other assclown joins in as well?
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Hmmm, the she must have some pull with the District Judge there. Our judge says "hire whoever you want, or I'll appoint the local attorney next up on my list, your choice."
Didn't realize you were actually disputing whether or not the official word is that she was court appointed. You think that just got pulled out of someone's ass?
I thought you were suggesting there is some shenanigans afoot, which is an idea I'm entertaining at present...
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I just found that on the interwebs as well and was just about to post that.
What kind of bullshit is this? Not only did Susan James request to be appointed, but apparently "Montgomery attorney Jeff Duffey will assist James’ firm with the defense."
So the fucker gets a high profile attorney appointed, and some other assclown joins in as well?
Well, I wasn't thinking about it, but it's a high profile case, and likely no local attorneys want it anyway. And it's Capital, so the judge is appointing someone he knows won't fuck it up and cause it to come back on appeal. Not so unusual now that I think about it.
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Didn't realize you were actually disputing whether or not the official word is that she was court appointed. You think that just got pulled out of someone's ass?
I thought you were suggesting there is some shenanigans afoot, which is an idea I'm entertaining at present...
I think bloggers say shit they don't know. I trust the OAN verified it. And as I said above, thinking about it, it's not an unusual move.
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Well, I wasn't thinking about it, but it's a high profile case, and likely no local attorneys want it anyway. And it's Capital, so the judge is appointing someone he knows won't fuck it up and cause it to come back on appeal. Not so unusual now that I think about it.
I can see that. But at the same time, I'm sure there are other attorneys on the appointment list who are capable of handling capital cases. Why effectively let the defendant choose their attorney when they are going to request an appointed attorney?
Maybe the court determined that if James was able to get Leonard to turn himself in, then they already have a working relationship and a level of trust that wouldn't be present with a randomly appointed attorney.
But, even then, doesn't this just give incentive for attorneys to "ambulance chase" these high profile criminal cases and request appointment for the publicity?
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I can see that. But at the same time, I'm sure there are other attorneys on the appointment list who are capable of handling capital cases. Why effectively let the defendant choose their attorney when they are going to request an appointed attorney?
Maybe the court determined that if James was able to get Leonard to turn himself in, then they already have a working relationship and a level of trust that wouldn't be present with a randomly appointed attorney.
But, even then, doesn't this just give incentive for attorneys to "ambulance chase" these high profile criminal cases and request appointment for the publicity?
In small towns, many times the local attorneys don't want these high profile capital cases. The judge likely has a short list of highly qualified attorneys he gives them too, and I'd wager they are mostly Montgomery attorneys. Most capital cases I have in my circuit, the lawyers come from Tuscaloosa or Birmingham whether hired or appointed. Not all, but most.
And, as I said, You want an attorney you trust won't fuck it up and cause an appeal or Rule 32 to be successful. The Ct. of Crim. Appeals runs about 98% affirmation rate these days, but the one's they send back are capital cases.
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Well Desmonte just hit the fucking appointed attorney lotto.
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Do all court appointed attys get paid the same?
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It's not the read it part...
Fuck it...nevermind...
Thanks for clearing that up genius.
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Do all court appointed attys get paid the same?
Yes. Because the government is footing the bill (partially, if not all, through fees paid by attorneys), there are set in-court and out-of-court rates for appointed attorneys.
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Do all court appointed attys get paid the same?
JR can answer that better than I but when I was doing court appointed cases, the hourly rate was the same for all. However, I think there was a much bigger allowance for murder cases and you had to have at least 5 years under your belt before the court would apoint you.
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In small towns, many times the local attorneys don't want these high profile capital cases. The judge likely has a short list of highly qualified attorneys he gives them too, and I'd wager they are mostly Montgomery attorneys. Most capital cases I have in my circuit, the lawyers come from Tuscaloosa or Birmingham whether hired or appointed. Not all, but most.
And, as I said, You want an attorney you trust won't fuck it up and cause an appeal or Rule 32 to be successful. The Ct. of Crim. Appeals runs about 98% affirmation rate these days, but the one's they send back are capital cases.
Sure, I get that. But like you said, the court has a list of Montgomery attorneys who are capable of handling capital cases. Why allow an attorney to request the appointment presumably for publicity's sake? It just looks like you're giving incentive for any attorney who is capable of handling capital cases to request and receive appointments in high profile cases for advertising purposes.
As an aside, does anyone know if James got the reward for bringing him in?
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I actually made the call after I found Woosie. Pickin' up my $30G's this afternoon. Beers anyone?
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I actually made the call after I found Woosie. Pickin' up my $30G's this afternoon. Beers anyone?
You would have saved the state a lot of money if you had just drug the carcass in to collect.
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Meh, I forgot that the case wasn't in Montgomery. So my comment about the list of Montgomery attorneys was full tard.
Nonetheless, I would like to know whether the judge actually attempted to find other attorneys in the area for appointment, or if he just immediately accepted James' request.
If there are literally no attorneys in Lee County or the surrounding area who the judge has on an appointment list and knows they can handle a capital case, then James' appointment makes sense. It still sort of irks me, but at least I see the logic behind it.
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Meh, I forgot that the case wasn't in Montgomery. So my comment about the list of Montgomery attorneys was full tard.
Nonetheless, I would like to know whether the judge actually attempted to find other attorneys in the area for appointment, or if he just immediately accepted James' request.
If there are literally no attorneys in Lee County or the surrounding area who the judge has on an appointment list and knows they can handle a capital case, then James' appointment makes sense. It still sort of irks me, but at least I see the logic behind it.
I got a call one time from a family member of a guy in jail. Went to meet with him and he said he'd ask the Court to appoint me at his First Appearance the next day since we'd already me and discussed the case. I showed up and even though I wasn't on this Judge's list, he appointed me to represent him. I don't see the appointment of James as that unusual since she was already involved and has a good reputation. I'm more intrigued by how she got involved in the first place.
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If there are literally no attorneys in Lee County or the surrounding area who the judge has on an appointment list and knows they can handle a capital case, then James' appointment makes sense.
You know better than that.
All things considered she is slam dunk choice as far as making sure it gets done right he first time...but I want to know how the fuck she got involved in the first place. Woosie's momma just looked in the yellow pages?
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(https://p.twimg.com/AvXK4eyCEAASdl0.jpg)
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You know better than that.
I never know better.
Unless it involves LEDs. Then I know all.
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Sure, I get that. But like you said, the court has a list of Montgomery attorneys who are capable of handling capital cases. Why allow an attorney to request the appointment presumably for publicity's sake? It just looks like you're giving incentive for any attorney who is capable of handling capital cases to request and receive appointments in high profile cases for advertising purposes.
As an aside, does anyone know if James got the reward for bringing him in?
She can't claim a reward for bringing him in. I can't answer the question of why the judge honored her request.
All court appointed attorneys get the same hourly rate. Last I heard it's $70 or $75 an hour, and there's no cap on capital cases.
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I'm more intrigued by how she got involved in the first place.
All things considered she is slam dunk choice as far as making sure it gets done right he first time...but I want to know how the fuck she got involved in the first place. Woosie's momma just looked in the yellow pages?
That's what mostly irks me. Representing a local drunk for a DUI as the appointed attorney because you got called by a family member? Cool beans.
Representing a high profile defendant in a murder case because you waltzed into the jail with him in tow and then asked the judge to appoint you? It just reeks of impropriety. Not from the judge necessarily, but from James herself.
I guess it will all depend on how she initially got involved, but I'm still not comfortable with setting a precedent for competent capital defense attorneys to follow these high profile cases around and then request an appointment all for the sake of publicity.
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That's what mostly irks me. Representing a local drunk for a DUI as the appointed attorney because you got called by a family member? Cool beans.
Representing a high profile defendant in a murder case because you waltzed into the jail with him in tow and then asked the judge to appoint you? It just reeks of impropriety. Not from the judge necessarily, but from James herself.
I guess it will all depend on how she initially got involved, but I'm still not comfortable with setting a precedent for competent capital defense attorneys to follow these high profile cases around and then request an appointment all for the sake of publicity.
Well c'mon. You know she ain't getting any work based on her looks.
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Well c'mon. You know she ain't getting any work based on her looks.
My looks are how I get all of my clients.
...and explains why they're all hobbits.
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That's what mostly irks me. Representing a local drunk for a DUI as the appointed attorney because you got called by a family member? Cool beans.
Representing a high profile defendant in a murder case because you waltzed into the jail with him in tow and then asked the judge to appoint you? It just reeks of impropriety. Not from the judge necessarily, but from James herself.
I guess it will all depend on how she initially got involved, but I'm still not comfortable with setting a precedent for competent capital defense attorneys to follow these high profile cases around and then request an appointment all for the sake of publicity.
Nothing improper about it, unless she took money from him, or somebody else for him, then asked to be appointed.
The guys that do this stuff don't have to "chase the cases". The judges, when they have one they know has to be handled right, pick the lawyer they know won't fuck it up.
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I'm more intrigued by how she got involved in the first place.
It's not like she's not well known in the Montgomery area.
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Well Desmonte just hit the fucking appointed attorney lotto.
David Stern probably rigged that too...
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The guys that do this stuff don't have to "chase the cases". The judges, when they have one they know has to be handled right, pick the lawyer they know won't fuck it up.
The difference here is that the judge didn't pick the lawyer; the lawyer requested to be picked, and the judge agreed. Not only did the lawyer simply request to be picked, the lawyer somehow showed up with the defendant to surrender him to authorities.
Maybe she legitimately was called by the family, and despite them not being able to afford her, she agreed to take the case for publicity's sake. Nothing wrong with that ethically, if that's how it went down.
My concern is that following around these high profile cases and requesting appointment is borderline solicitation. Again, James may or may have not done that in this case, but I think that allowing an "outside" attorney to travel to areas lacking competent defense attorneys and requesting appointment to a specific case allows them to cherry pick their appointments for publicity. That's not what the appointment system should be about.
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Dang onions are killin me right now.
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The difference here is that the judge didn't pick the lawyer; the lawyer requested to be picked, and the judge agreed. Not only did the lawyer simply request to be picked, the lawyer somehow showed up with the defendant to surrender him to authorities.
Maybe she legitimately was called by the family, and despite them not being able to afford her, she agreed to take the case for publicity's sake. Nothing wrong with that ethically, if that's how it went down.
My concern is that following around these high profile cases and requesting appointment is borderline solicitation. Again, James may or may have not done that in this case, but I think that allowing an "outside" attorney to travel to areas lacking competent defense attorneys and requesting appointment to a specific case allows them to cherry pick their appointments for publicity. That's not what the appointment system should be about.
I doubt seriously she sought out this case. And again, they don't have to "follow them around". In most cases, the judge would pick from a list of attorneys they know will handle it right. Susan James is probably on the Lee County Judges "when I need a real attorney" list anyway. It's not to say there isn't a competent attorney in Lee County to handle it, I'm certain there is. It's just that cases like this can be considered "poison" to a local attorney. They don't mind handling the drunks, or a run of the mill murder, but they don't want to be associated with this type case. And, there may not be one nearly as qualified as James. Again, they don't want this to get fucked up. I think you're way over-thinking it. I don't know, but suspect Woosies family felt that if they let Woosie stay on the run, he'd wind up dead by police, or beat to hell and back. They asked around, and convinced Woosie that James would make sure he got turned in safe. She was probably paid for her time too. Since Woosie is probably going to be held without bond, he's indigent. She asked to be appointed, the judge knows she's competent, and already involved. But that's just a guess. It all may be shady as hell, I don't know. I think it's more fun to speculate that it is, than it being as simple as I think it is.
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Dang onions are killin me right now.
I gotta' check the ceiling tiles. Things keep falling off them and getting in my eyes.
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I gotta' check the ceiling tiles. Things keep falling off them and getting in my eyes.
Dede got me.
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I doubt seriously she sought out this case. And again, they don't have to "follow them around". In most cases, the judge would pick from a list of attorneys they know will handle it right. Susan James is probably on the Lee County Judges "when I need a real attorney" list anyway. It's not to say there isn't a competent attorney in Lee County to handle it, I'm certain there is. It's just that cases like this can be considered "poison" to a local attorney. They don't mind handling the drunks, or a run of the mill murder, but they don't want to be associated with this type case. And, there may not be one nearly as qualified as James. Again, they don't want this to get fucked up. I think you're way over-thinking it. I don't know, but suspect Woosies family felt that if they let Woosie stay on the run, he'd wind up dead by police, or beat to hell and back. They asked around, and convinced Woosie that James would make sure he got turned in safe. She was probably paid for her time too. Since Woosie is probably going to be held without bond, he's indigent. She asked to be appointed, the judge knows she's competent, and already involved. But that's just a guess. It all may be shady as hell, I don't know. I think it's more fun to speculate that it is, than it being as simple as I think it is.
I don't know whether she acted inappropriately or shady to get this case either. What she did or didn't do is speculation on my part.
But, I just don't like the ability to walk in front of a judge, request appointment for a specific case, and then get appointed. Again, not saying she did that...just saying that the logic of, "Well, she's competent, so give it to her if she asks for it" seems like it could cause a lot of problems down the road.
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Dang onions are killin me right now.
IIIIIIIIIII'm making a lasagnaaaaaaaa
*for one*
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I don't know whether she acted inappropriately or shady to get this case either. What she did or didn't do is speculation on my part.
But, I just don't like the ability to walk in front of a judge, request appointment for a specific case, and then get appointed. Again, not saying she did that...just saying that the logic of, "Well, she's competent, so give it to her if she asks for it" seems like it could cause a lot of problems down the road.
It's not a run of the mill case. She's more than "competent". I would hazard a guess that in 99.9% of the cases, you couldn't just walk in, ask to be appointed, and get the appointment of a specific case. I've never known any judge that allowed that. This case was also unique in that a highly qualified attorney was involved before arrest. I see no future problems coming out of it being done this way, but am willing to hear why you think there could be and what they might be.
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It's not a run of the mill case. She's more than "competent". I would hazard a guess that in 99.9% of the cases, you couldn't just walk in, ask to be appointed, and get the appointment of a specific case. I've never known any judge that allowed that. This case was also unique in that a highly qualified attorney was involved before arrest. I see no future problems coming out of it being done this way, but am willing to hear why you think there could be and what they might be.
It would all depend upon how she initially got involved.
If she was called by the family or Woosie himself, and then was appointed after already being involved, then that's fine.
If she somehow involved herself (solicitation), and then was appointed to that specific case upon request, then there's a problem there.
Even if she didn't directly solicit the defendant, but rather followed the case via news and decided to travel to request an appointment from the judge, then it's still a problem. I don't think she did that here, considering that she brought the defendant in, but my concern was that this might set a precedent for attorneys doing that.
Basically, if you're telling me that Susan James can't randomly travel to Jasper and request appointment for a specific high profile case, then my fears are alleviated. But, if she can travel to Jasper, request appointment for a specific case, and the judge appoints her simply because there are no competent attorneys in Jasper, then I think there's an ethical issue there.
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JR4AU batting 1000.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/accused_shooter_desmonte_leona.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Accused Auburn shooter Desmonte Leonard's attorney will ask for a change of venue from Lee County
Published: Thursday, June 14, 2012, 1:41 PM
Charles Goldberg/Auburn Bureau, The Birmingham News, Press-Register, and The Huntsville Times
Susan-James-Auburn-Shootings-Bureau.JPGAttorney Susan James says she'll ask for a change of venue for Desmonte Leonard (Auburn Bureau photo)
PHENIX CITY, Alabama -- The attorney for accused Auburn shooter Desmonte Leonard will ask for a change of venue from Lee County because of the highly-charged nature of the case that involves six people being shot, including two former Auburn football players.
Attorney Susan James announced her plans Thursday at the Russell County Justice Center where she's trying another case. Earlier in the day, Leonard appeared in Circuit Court in Opelika where he was read the charges against him: Three counts of capital murder and two counts of second-degree assault. Two former Auburn football players were among the victims
Leonard was returned to the Montgomery County Jail after he was booked following his court appearance. James said she would file paperwork asking for a preliminary hearing on Friday. She said a plea is not being considered, and wouldn't take place until after an indictment. She said she doesn't expect a quick resolution.
"Unfortunately, sometimes it takes a couple of years to go to trial," James said, who said she would "actively put on a defense on his behalf."
"He has right to have his day in court."
Law enforcement searched for Leonard for three days before he turned himself in following the shooting at University Heights Apartments last Saturday. James said the delay in surrendering to law enforcement was because "he was afraid. He was in a stressful situation."
James and her investigator, Barrett Sasser, met Leonard outside of Montgomery and brought to law enforcement authorities for a pre-arranged surrender. She said the police did not know his whereabouts when she met him, and they quietly turned him in. He will remain in the Montgomery jail.
James said Leonard said he was sorry to have caused such an expansive manhunt.
"We were concerned for his safety because of the tension involved in the case," James said.
James said Leonard was "a little nervous" today because he thought he would be held in the Lee County jail, a jail about 10 miles away from where slain former Auburn football players Ed Christian and Ladarious Phillips would have played for the Tigers in Jordan-Hare Stadium.
"This case really is about football," James said. "Take football out of the equation. This is a tragic event in which a lot of people lost their lives."
James was asked if she thought Leonard was innocent.
"I know he's innocent because the law says he's innocent... That's not considering the facts of the case," she said.
Also killed was Auburn resident Demario Pitts. Current Auburn offensive lineman Eric Mack was wounded and released from the East Alabama Medical Center after overnight treatment. Another victim, Xavier Moss, was treated and released after the shooting. John Robertson was wounded and remains in critical condition at UAB Hospital in Birmingham.
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It would all depend upon how she initially got involved.
If she was called by the family or Woosie himself, and then was appointed after already being involved, then that's fine.
If she somehow involved herself (solicitation), and then was appointed to that specific case upon request, then there's a problem there.
Even if she didn't directly solicit the defendant, but rather followed the case via news and decided to travel to request an appointment from the judge, then it's still a problem. I don't think she did that here, considering that she brought the defendant in, but my concern was that this might set a precedent for attorneys doing that.
Basically, if you're telling me that Susan James can't randomly travel to Jasper and request appointment for a specific high profile case, then my fears are alleviated. But, if she can travel to Jasper, request appointment for a specific case, and the judge appoints her simply because there are no competent attorneys in Jasper, then I think there's an ethical issue there.
I can't speak for every judge, but I don't know any that allow an attorney to just come in, without prior involvement in the case like in this one, and say "Judge, I'd just really like you to appoint me on that fabulously famous murder case".
Here in my county, there's one, maybe 2 that they use that come out of Tuscaloosa.
In Birmingham, there's a handful of good criminal defense attorneys that, when the case must be handled right, the judge appoint from this "elite" group. They don't have to go ask, they get their share. Same in Montgomery I'd imagine.
In another county I used to work in, when it's a "got to have a good attorney that won't fuck it up" case, there's one guy out of Montgomery that gets them all.
I've seen literally thousands of appointments, and the only time I've ever seen an attorney request to be appointed is when he could show the judge that he'd been paid a little money up front, that his client was indigent, and that he'd billed against what he'd been paid, and that the case was going to take much more time, and that it would be best to keep him on the case so the next appointed attorney didn't have to start from scratch. (And I'm not talking a $50K retainer that got eaten up by your hourly rate...you take that kind of money, you're on the case...I'm talking like took $500 from an Auntee, and now there's no more, and your client doesn't work.) There was, at one time, an attorney that was abusing this. He'd go solicite people in jail, tell them to get momma to bring him $500 and he'd get them out, then he'd try the "judge I've been on the case and my client can't pay any more" routine. When judges caught on to him, which didn't take long, it nearly cost him ever getting any more appointments ever again.
Also, appointed cases are capped. I don't know for sure what the cap is, and it depends on the level of charge. Class A Felony is $4000, Class B is $3000, Class C is $2000. There is no cap on Capital Murder, but I did a couple when I was in private practice, and keeping up with all expenses, and working them diligently was still only able to bill @$30K, and that after 2 years time. The hourly rate the state pays is probably less than a third what James, and other attorneys of her ilk charge per hour. It's only worth it time wise in a case that is high profile, and gets you media exposure. Still, no judge I know is going to allow that. James' prior involvement here was the reason. Whether she solicited that involvement only she and Woosie know. My professional knowledge of her leads me to suspect she didn't.
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I can't speak for every judge, but I don't know any that allow an attorney to just come in, without prior involvement in the case like in this one, and say "Judge, I'd just really like you to appoint me on that fabulously famous murder case".
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I've seen literally thousands of appointments, and the only time I've ever seen an attorney request to be appointed is when he could show the judge that he'd been paid a little money up front, that his client was indigent, and that he'd billed against what he'd been paid, and that the case was going to take much more time, and that it would be best to keep him on the case so the next appointed attorney didn't have to start from scratch.
That makes sense, and is more in tune with what I thought should happen.
My professional knowledge of her leads me to suspect she didn't.
"Professional knowledge," hmmm?
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That makes sense, and is more in tune with what I thought should happen.
"Professional knowledge," hmmm?
Carnal....Professional.....Tomato....Tomahto...
Kwerstion #1. Has it been established that Leonard pulled the piece and started shooting when the fight broke out or did he leave and come back with it? I've heard both versions. The PF caller who claimed to be his friend said he pulled it right then.
Kwerstion #2. Will Susan James use the Woosie defense?
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Carnal....Professional.....Tomato....Tomahto...
Kwerstion #1. Has it been established that Leonard pulled the piece and started shooting when the fight broke out or did he leave and come back with it? I've heard both versions. The PF caller who claimed to be his friend said he pulled it right then.
Kwerstion #2. Will Susan James use the Woosie defense?
If he went and got the gun, and came back, he has no viable defense.
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Kwerstion #2. Will Susan James use the Woosie defense?
Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, this is Desmonte Leonard. Desmonte Leonard is a Woosie from Montgomery. But he was found in Auburn with football players. Now think about it. That does not make sense. Why would a Woosie, a 5'6" tall Woosie, hang around 6'5" football players? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
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Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, this is Desmonte Leonard. Desmonte Leonard is a Woosie from Montgomery. But he was found in Auburn with football players. Now think about it. That does not make sense. Why would a Woosie, a 5'6" tall Woosie, hang around 6'5" football players? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
I'm beginning to think Woosie is the victim here. Preach on.
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Kwerstion #2. Will Susan James use the Woosie defense?
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Whoa. Is that a "South Parked" Susan James?
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Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, this is Desmonte Leonard. Desmonte Leonard is a Woosie from Montgomery. But he was found in Auburn with football players. Now think about it. That does not make sense. Why would a Woosie, a 5'6" tall Woosie, hang around 6'5" football players? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
That's about what it was like when I was a juror for a trial involving Glennon Threet.
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I bet that Harvey Birdman character would know all the answers. I think he took off with Jim.
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I bet that Harvey Birdman character would know all the answers. I think he took off with Jim.
Damn that guy was good. Handsome rascal too.
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Damn that guy was good. Handsome rascal too.
I'd pee in his butt.
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I'd pee in his butt.
And there was suddenly an awkward silence on the X.
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And there was suddenly an awkward silence on the X.
Awkward to us maybe. To VV? :clap:
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I'd pee in his butt.
That may be the worse thing that I have ever heard.
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That may be the worse thing that I have ever heard.
But at least it came from Vandy Vol. That's the one normal thing about it. It came from who you would expect.
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Whoa. Is that a "South Parked" Susan James?
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Well I took Janet Reno and amended it. same difference.
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I really don't like lawyers. Apologies to all here.
Susan James can suck a shriveled lemur dick for all I care. Bitch.
I hate her and she stanks.
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That may be the worse thing that I have ever heard.
Probably shouldn't come to the TigersX Golf Outing then...
Just kidding, you should fucking join us.
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I really don't like lawyers. Apologies to all here.
Susan James can suck a shriveled lemur dick for all I care. Bitch.
I hate her and she stanks.
Why say it, then apologize. Own that shit!
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Probably shouldn't come to the TigersX Golf Outing then...
Just kidding, you should fucking join us.
Well, I can tell you if I were there it would be for the brew. I don't golf. I fucking suck at it.
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Why say it, then apologize. Own that shit!
Always planned to be a lawyer and then I read shit like this drizzly whore says and it makes me glad I never took that path.
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I could never be a lawyer because I suck at lying.
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Always planned to be a lawyer and then I read shit like this drizzly whore says and it makes me glad I never took that path.
What did she say?
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I could never be a lawyer because I suck at lying.
:facepalm:
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Not that it needs to be said, but not all lawyers are like that woman.
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Not that it needs to be said, but not all lawyers are like that woman.
She's brown too, right?
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Not that it needs to be said, but not all lawyers are like that woman.
Like that woman?
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Not that it needs to be said, but not all lawyers are like that woman.
I know that, but the brush paints broadly.
I dislike lawyers as a group but like some individuals.
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Say...did you hear the one about the lawyer, the oriental and the colored guy that walked into a bar?
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Say...did you hear the one about the lawyer, the oriental and the colored guy that walked into a bar?
Oh, Porterhouse! Look at the wax build-up on these shoes! I want that wax stripped off of there and then I want them creamed and buffed with a fine chamois. And I want them now! Chop, chop!
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Oh, Porterhouse! Look at the wax build-up on these shoes! I want that wax stripped off of there and then I want them creamed and buffed with a fine chamois. And I want them now! Chop, chop!
Colored boy?
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"This case really is about football," James said. "Take football out of the equation. This is a tragic event in which a lot of people lost their lives."
She forgot about the part about the people that lost their lives were Auburn students too and the fact that her client murdered them right off campus...and the fact that her client was with another guy who is on trial for the murder of a 14 year old girl...and the fact that her client has prior gun charges...and the fact that her client goes by the nickname woosie...
woosie
The act of being useless, irrelevant or completely lame.
woosy
1) A very weak character or girly kind of male.
2) An expression to get a friend or others you are talking to attention as to how weak or feministic either they or others are acting.
3) Means a loser or someone really dumb
1) That guy is so pathetic, He couldn't even throw the ball as far as from first base to the pitching mound. Man what a woosy!
2) "Guys as your coach today, you really played like a bunch of girls, I hate to say it but, you really played like a bunch of woosies, And you Ray was the biggest woosy of all today."
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"This case really is about football," James said. "Take football out of the equation. This is a tragic event in which a lot of people lost their lives."
At first I thought maybe that was a misquote. If she actually said "this case is about football" then I that's fucking stupid. When I first read it I thought she said/meant it's NOT about football, and that it was a misprint or misquote.
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At first I thought maybe that was a misquote. If she actually said "this case is about football" then I that's fucking stupid. When I first read it I thought she said/meant it's NOT about football, and that it was a misprint or misquote.
I get this feeling that I am really really not going to like this women.
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I get this feeling that I am really really not going to like this women.
You mean her being a criminal defense attorney doing her job isn't enough to inspire raw hatred in you?
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Like that woman?
His appointed attorney.
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You mean her being a criminal defense attorney doing her job isn't enough to inspire raw hatred in you?
This is where I lost my patience with lawyers.
"Doing their job" as a criminal defense attorney should not entail devising schemes to allow guilty parties to escape punishment.
"Doing their job" actually means making sure that the defendant is treated fairly, that the actions taken against him are lawful and that he is allowed to offer evidence of his innocence (or at least his motivations if he is guilty).
How "doing their job" morphed in to wrangling the least possible sentence available, lobbing smoke grenades to confuse juries and delving into the worst manner of subterfuge and deception is beyond me. That is not "their job." Their job is to protect the rights of the defendant and it should end there.
This ragged, pie faced whore setting up clandestine meetings with this murderer, driving around with him for an hour and then negotiating the terms of his surrender? Well beyond protecting his rights. Fuck that. He should have taken her hostage. I said that before. Would have served ol' dusty cooter right.
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This is where I lost my patience with lawyers.
"Doing their job" as a criminal defense attorney should not entail devising schemes to allow guilty parties to escape punishment.
"Doing their job" actually means making sure that the defendant is treated fairly, that the actions taken against him are lawful and that he is allowed to offer evidence of his innocence (or at least his motivations if he is guilty).
How "doing their job" morphed in to wrangling the least possible sentence available, lobbing smoke grenades to confuse juries and delving into the worst manner of subterfuge and deception is beyond me. That is not "their job." Their job is to protect the rights of the defendant and it should end there.
This ragged, pie faced whore setting up clandestine meetings with this murderer, driving around with him for an hour and then negotiating the terms of his surrender? Well beyond protecting his rights. Fuck that. He should have taken her hostage. I said that before. Would have served ol' dusty cooter right.
Are you God? How do you automatically know someone is guilty?
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His appointed attorney.
Yes, I knew who you were referring to, just not what it is about her that you think makes her different from you, or me. I don't know her personally. Do you? I've only met her once or twice, and never had a case with her.
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Are you God? How do you automatically know someone is guilty?
Yes.
That is all.
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This is where I lost my patience with lawyers.
"Doing their job" as a criminal defense attorney should not entail devising schemes to allow guilty parties to escape punishment.
"Doing their job" actually means making sure that the defendant is treated fairly, that the actions taken against him are lawful and that he is allowed to offer evidence of his innocence (or at least his motivations if he is guilty).
How "doing their job" morphed in to wrangling the least possible sentence available, lobbing smoke grenades to confuse juries and delving into the worst manner of subterfuge and deception is beyond me. That is not "their job." Their job is to protect the rights of the defendant and it should end there.
This ragged, pie faced whore setting up clandestine meetings with this murderer, driving around with him for an hour and then negotiating the terms of his surrender? Well beyond protecting his rights. Fuck that. He should have taken her hostage. I said that before. Would have served ol' dusty cooter right.
You assume a lot to get where you are.
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You assume a lot to get where you are.
Indeed.
The main duty of a criminal defense lawyer is to advocate for their client and ensure that the prosecution prove each and every element of the charges leveled against their clients.
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Photos from the candle-light prayer vigil:
http://theplainsman.com/pages/multimedia_photos
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Indeed.
The main duty of a criminal defense lawyer is to advocate for their client and ensure that the prosecution prove each and every element of the charges leveled against their clients.
And as I suspected, somebody is misquoting, or making typos in their reporting. This is more in line with what someone in a rational mind would say:
"This case really isn't about football," James said. "Take football out of the equation. This is a tragic event in which a lot of people lost their lives."
But I have no idea, now, which one is accurate.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/accused_shooter_desmonte_leona.html
Can't really see what this lawyer has done, other than negotiate a peaceful surrender for her client, and set out to represent him.
And this, to me, says she's very grounded:
"I know he's innocent because the law says he's innocent... That's not considering the facts of the case," she said.
Translation: "he's innocent because the law says he is until he's convicted, so it's a true statement of fact that he's innocent. The facts may change that in the end".
Some of you fuckers don't like her because she didn't chance her client being shot by police, and turned him in rather than tipping the police off to his whereabouts. Pffffft.
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Her statement is spot on concerning football. I said the same thing earlier. Any lawyer worth a shit would be fighting to have this case moved. I say again, if the victims had been John Doe's to you and me, this case wouldn't have been more than "Shooting in Auburn leaves 3 dead...film at 11:00". But it wasn't. These are/were Auburn football players and this instantly became a national story. It was still on the front page of Fox News yesterday.
I hope the little thug ass son of a bitch gets a bullet between his eyes. But right now, his defense attorney is going to do everything possible to make sure he gets a fair trial and yes, the best deal possible if offered. And I imagine JR can speak to the fact that he's only going to get some sort of offer if the case doesn't turn out to be as open and shut as we all believe it to be.
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While I do hope this guy experiences a long, painful death, I am grateful to live in a country where even this kind of miscreant is awarded a fair trial.
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You mean her being a criminal defense attorney doing her job isn't enough to inspire raw hatred in you?
Not quite. I can tell you if I had taken the route of being a lawyer as a profession, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a defense attorney. Cases like this one is a reason why.
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While I do hope this guy experiences a long, painful death, I am grateful to live in a country where even this kind of miscreant is awarded a fair trial.
Bingo.
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Her statement is spot on concerning football. I said the same thing earlier. Any lawyer worth a shit would be fighting to have this case moved. I say again, if the victims had been John Doe's to you and me, this case wouldn't have been more than "Shooting in Auburn leaves 3 dead...film at 11:00". But it wasn't. These are/were Auburn football players and this instantly became a national story. It was still on the front page of Fox News yesterday.
I hope the little thug ass son of a bitch gets a bullet between his eyes. But right now, his defense attorney is going to do everything possible to make sure he gets a fair trial and yes, the best deal possible if offered. And I imagine JR can speak to the fact that he's only going to get some sort of offer if the case doesn't turn out to be as open and shut as we all believe it to be.
See above. One news outlet or another has her misquoted. I tend to think she said "this case isn't about football...". It's not either. It gets the media attention because Auburn players/former players are victims, as well as Auburn Students and residents. She correctly calls it a tragic event where many people lost there lives as well.
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While I do hope this guy experiences a long, painful death, I am grateful to live in a country where even this kind of miscreant is awarded a fair trial.
Word!
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"I know he's innocent because the law says he's innocent... That's not considering the facts of the case," she said.
Doubletalk bullshit.
I understand what she means, but the 10,000 Woosie supporters only hear "my dog IN-NO-SENT, mf"
Shouldn't have been said.
And I assume nothing.
I have nothing wrong with defense attorneys doing their best to make sure the charges are proven, I have a problem with all the horseshit tricks they play to render the obvious obscure.
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Agrees with your position.
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Does not.
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Doubletalk bullshit.
I understand what she means, but the 10,000 Woosie supporters only hear "my dog IN-NO-SENT, mf"
Shouldn't have been said.
And I assume nothing.
I have nothing wrong with defense attorneys doing their best to make sure the charges are proven, I have a problem with all the horseshit tricks they play to render the obvious obscure.
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Agrees with your position.
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Does not.
Pffffft.
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Yes, I knew who you were referring to, just not what it is about her that you think makes her different from you, or me. I don't know her personally. Do you? I've only met her once or twice, and never had a case with her.
Nope, have not. I was just making the point that everyone is different. There are shitty people in every profession.
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Doubletalk bullshit.
I understand what she means, but the 10,000 Woosie supporters only hear "my dog IN-NO-SENT, mf"
Shouldn't have been said.
And I assume nothing.
I have nothing wrong with defense attorneys doing their best to make sure the charges are proven, I have a problem with all the horseshit tricks they play to render the obvious obscure.
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Agrees with your position.
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Does not.
But the rest of the World DOES! BAM!
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Nope, have not. I was just making the point that everyone is different. There are shitty people in every profession.
Is she a shitty person in this profession because she represents criminals? Or because she represents Leonard? Or because she says "he's innocent right now under the law" or because she didn't send police a tip where to find her client, but rather turned him in to stand trial for his charges? Or something else?
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I say cause she ugly as homemade sin.
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I say cause she ugly as homemade sin.
I've seen some of the mugs of folks on this site...couple of shitty ass people here too!
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I've seen some of the mugs of folks on this site...couple of shitty ass people here too!
My beard is impeccably pretty.
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Is she a shitty person in this profession because she represents criminals? Or because she represents Leonard? Or because she says "he's innocent right now under the law" or because she didn't send police a tip where to find her client, but rather turned him in to stand trial for his charges? Or something else?
As much as you want to turn this into an argument, I was making a general statement. I don't know her, nothing against her personally.
However, it seems that she loves the spotlight and publicity. That's why I said this:
Not that it needs to be said, but not all lawyers are like that woman.
I didn't know she was in your Just for Feet club, my bad.
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As much as you want to turn this into an argument, I was making a general statement. I don't know her, nothing against her personally. I didn't know she was in your Just for Feet club, my bad.
member and the president.
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As much as you want to turn this into an argument, I was making a general statement. I don't know her, nothing against her personally. I didn't know she was in your Just for Feet club, my bad.
I was just trying to clarify what you said. That's it. The last sentence is childish as fuck.
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I was just trying to clarify what you said. That's it. The last sentence is childish as fuck.
I'm just messing with you Brosef Stalin. <3
I modified my last comment too, in order to clarify.
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The last sentence is childish as fuck.
Maybe, however it doesn't make it any less funny.
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However, it seems that she loves the spotlight and publicity. That's why I said this:
That's the part I was looking for. Not an argument. But, you had to go tard before answering.
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I'm just messing with you Brosef Stalin. <3
I modified my last comment too, in order to clarify.
I don't like being picked on, it hurts my feelings, an makes me cry.
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That's the part I was looking for. Not an argument. But, you had to go tard before answering.
I always go full tard first. It's all I got.
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That's the part I was looking for. Not an argument. But, you had to go tard before answering.
Damn, you even attack your own little brown kind as childish. I don't feel as isolated now.
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Damn, you even attack your own little brown kind as childish. I don't feel as isolated now.
We keed. We're all still equally hate-able in your eyes, and you're an island.
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But the rest of the World DOES! BAM!
Does not
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Game over.
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Game over.
If America felt like you say, things would have changed.
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If America felt like you say, things would have changed.
Doubtful. Lawyers are in the congress and control the laws.
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Wait....did JR call me ugly?
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Doubtful. Lawyers are in the congress and control the laws.
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As much as you want to turn this into an argument, I was making a general statement. I don't know her, nothing against her personally.
However, it seems that she loves the spotlight and publicity. That's why I said this:
I didn't know she was in your Just for Feet club, my bad.
Wouldn't it be "just for feet and hairy pussies" club?
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Wouldn't it be "just for feet and hairy pussies" club?
I thought it was "hairy feet and smelly cats" club?
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I like em' big. I like em' chunky.
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Doubtful. Lawyers are in the congress and control the laws.
And they're voted in by who?
Which brings us back to:
If America felt like you say, things would have changed.
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And they're voted in by who?
Which brings us back to:
K is engaging in the old "if you just say it, it's true" type debate. Last I checked only about 1/3 of Congress are lawyers. That leaves more than enough to out-vote the lawyers. And yes, they're elected by everyone complaining here, and by all the one's K says think like him.
Modified: Last numbers I can find are 54% of the Senate, and 36% of the House are lawyers. Enough non lawyers in the House to prevent shit from every getting to the Senate.
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K is engaging in the old "if you just say it, it's true" type debate. Last I checked only about 1/3 of Congress are lawyers. That leaves more than enough to out-vote the lawyers. And yes, they're elected by everyone complaining here, and by all the one's K says think like him.
No Colonel Sanders your wrong! Momma's rite!
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No Colonel Sanders your wrong! Momma's rite!
They is somethin' wrong with that boy's medulla oblongata
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No Colonel Sanders your wrong! Momma's rite!
Lawyers in Congress: 54% Senate, 36% House. May have changed slightly from 2009.
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They is somethin' wrong with that boy's medulla oblongata
Foozballs is of da debil.
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Lawyers in Congress: 54% Senate, 36% House. May have changed slightly from 2009.
Right.
And there's another profession that dominates either body like that one?
And lawyers have no lobbying firms.
Agree. People are stupid. The sheep have been conditioned to believe that lawyers are most qualified to legislate.
Since you have the stats how many judges are lawyers? How many supreme court justices? How many presidents had law degrees? It's a huge incestuous bog.
There was a time that lawyers served the law. Now they parse it, look for hidden meanings in the word "is" and twist the law to protect the scum of the earth.
I give less of a fuck about woosies rights since he chose to deprive others of their right to life.
I miss "shoot on sight" orders.
I used to hold the law and those who serve it in the highest regard. I'm disgusted by the current bunch who aspire to be Gloria Allred or Johnny Cochran.
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Right.
And there's another profession that dominates either body like that one?
And lawyers have no lobbying firms.
Agree. People are stupid. The sheep have been conditioned to believe that lawyers are most qualified to legislate.
Since you have the stats how many judges are lawyers? How many supreme court justices? How many presidents had law degrees? It's a huge incestuous bog.
There was a time that lawyers served the law. Now they parse it, look for hidden meanings in the word "is" and twist the law to protect the scum of the earth.
I give less of a fuck about woosies rights since he chose to deprive others of their right to life.
I miss "shoot on sight" orders.
I used to hold the law and those who serve it in the highest regard. I'm disgusted by the current bunch who aspire to be Gloria Allred or Johnny Cochran.
Well, they are writing law, so it's best, IMHO, to have a lawyer at least check it out. Bottom, there's more non lawyers than lawyers in congress, and the lawyers that are there were put there by the American people.
Here's the thing about law. Anybody can write a law. Don't have to be a lawyer. Since life, and the world aren't black and white, not every law will exactly fit every situation. Do you want more laws written to fit ever conceivable scenario? Didn't think so. So, kill all the lawyers if you want, there will again arise a need to have someone interpret the law as applied to a situation, and unless you want to change the Constitution so that once you're accused, you have no rights, then there will always be a need for an advocate. It would be hard for me to imagine you really thinking that people who stand accused should have no rights or right to due process. You say "well we KNOW Leonard shot and killed 3 people". Yeah, none of us were there either. So, we don't KNOW what happened. But ok, lets say we do know. What fact scenario for the accused can there be where we all agree, "none of us know what happened, let's have a trial"? Who decides who gets due process, and who gets shot on sight? Who decides? Who advocates? Who prosecutes?
The system ain't perfect. Nobody ever claimed it is. You got a better idea? I just watched The Hatfields and the McCoys. They seemed to be right up your ally in thinking. Fat lotta good it did them!
Your emotion and rage over this is exactly the reason the system and law exist! To prevent rash, and irrational decisions being made by the anger of those aggrieved.
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Judge Dredd Bitches!
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Well, they are writing law, so it's best, IMHO, to have a lawyer at least check it out. Bottom, there's more non lawyers than lawyers in congress, and the lawyers that are there were put there by the American people.
Here's the thing about law. Anybody can write a law. Don't have to be a lawyer. Since life, and the world aren't black and white, not every law will exactly fit every situation. Do you want more laws written to fit ever conceivable scenario? Didn't think so. So, kill all the lawyers if you want, there will again arise a need to have someone interpret the law as applied to a situation, and unless you want to change the Constitution so that once you're accused, you have no rights, then there will always be a need for an advocate. It would be hard for me to imagine you really thinking that people who stand accused should have no rights or right to due process. You say "well we KNOW Leonard shot and killed 3 people". Yeah, none of us were there either. So, we don't KNOW what happened. But ok, lets say we do know. What fact scenario for the accused can there be where we all agree, "none of us know what happened, let's have a trial"? Who decides who gets due process, and who gets shot on sight? Who decides? Who advocates? Who prosecutes?
The system ain't perfect. Nobody ever claimed it is. You got a better idea? I just watched The Hatfields and the McCoys. They seemed to be right up your ally in thinking. Fat lotta good it did them!
Your emotion and rage over this is exactly the reason the system and law exist! To prevent rash, and irrational decisions being made by the anger of those aggrieved.
Not emotional or enraged at all.
Just don't give a damn about woosies "rights". Hang him outside the courthouse.
BTW, all lawyers have done is change the Constitution. Taken what it meant and twisted it to suit purposes and ideals it was never designed to serve.
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Not emotional or enraged at all.
Just don't give a damn about woosies "rights". Hang him outside the courthouse.
BTW, all lawyers have done is change the Constitution. Taken what it meant and twisted it to suit purposes and ideals it was never designed to serve.
You said yourself in this thread you're full of rage.
If you don't give a damn about Woosie's rights, you don't give a damn about yours, mine, your wife's, your kids, your friends, Snaggies, GF's or anybody else.
Have lawyers changed the Bill of Rights to mean something it wasn't designed to mean?
Getting both sides of the story, and testing the evidence dates pretty far back: Proverbs 18:17 "He that speaks first in his own cause seems just; until his neighbor comes and examines him."
Keep blaming the lawyers for the law. You elected them. You can't have law, without someone to interpret it because the world and events are never black and white, and you can't have justice without an advocate for each side of the case. It's not possible.
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Taken what it meant and twisted it to suit purposes and ideals it was never designed to serve.
Ah, so the Supreme Court can just hang up the fancy robes. You know the intent and meaning of the Constitution. No need for further inquiry folks.
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Ah, so the Supreme Court can just hang up the fancy robes. You know the intent and meaning of the Constitution. No need for further inquiry folks.
Well, they're lawyers, so what the fuck do they know about law?
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Ah, so the Supreme Court can just hang up the fancy robes. You know the intent and meaning of the Constitution. No need for further inquiry folks.
Correct.
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Well, they're lawyers, so what the fuck do they know about law?
Nothing.
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Fact is those who wrote the constitution were Puritans.
Lol, wut? Remind me when the Constitution was drafted, please...
The Spirit of 1776 was the best time to be an American, and we may need to revisit that time because the English still have the claws grasping our balls and I'm sick of it.
The good old days weren't always good, and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems. $1 to Billy Joel. This bullshit romanticizing of the past sucks when my dad indulges regarding the sixties. It's repugnant when it's included in a discussion about our government. In what alternate universe has England done anything but suck up to America since we saved their asses from the Germans?
We adopted a parliamentarian form of government accepting Roberts Rules of Order as not to raise a bunch of shit about the fucking we get on a daily basis.
Can we get a citation for this intent behind utilizing RRoO?
We need to go back to what worked for the people, instead of the fascist form of government that is forced down our throats. Noblemen were never suppose to represent the people, period.
I'm thinking women, minorities and basically anyone BUT the nobles would object to going back to that time period.
You're a fucking loon if you buy this bullshit.
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Nothing.
Sadly, I think you believe that too.
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From the people who executed the crooked bankers and leadership to form what is a stable government of the people, by the people. We should have doe the same thing.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/guess-whos-emerging-from-the-crisis/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto
You just lost any credibility you might have ever had referencing that commie loon.
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You just lost any credibility you might have ever had referencing that commie loon.
I stopped reading any of BF's posts way back in the days of the Site Which Shall Not Be Named. Don't waste your time, unless you are looking to recycle some tin foil into a hat.
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I stopped reading any of BF's posts way back in the days of the Site Which Shall Not Be Named. Don't waste your time, unless you are looking to recycle some tin foil into a hat.
Bless you child...you are on a roll today...
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Bless you child...you are on a roll today...
Some friends and I are coming up to the Big D this weekend to go to Market. I'll wave in your general direction as we drive through. :-)
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I stopped reading any of BF's posts way back in the days of the Site Which Shall Not Be Named. Don't waste your time, unless you are looking to recycle some tin foil into a hat.
I'm just sick and tired of the "let's execute the bankers" drumbeat. What the bankers did was a symptom of a more systematic problem created by Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton. Facts be damned. Sure, many bankers traded mortgage backed derivatives knowing they could possibly be worthless if the real estate market went under. But guess what made the real estate market go under? 1. People getting in houses they couldn't afford (see Carter's Community Reinvestment Act of 1979) 2. The market being flooded with subprime mortgages (see Clinton's Re-signing of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1995). This act forced banks to lend to people who could otherwise NOT afford a house or wouldn't qualify under normal terms. It also forced subprime mortgages into the market. Banks WILL NOT lend to those who cannot afford it. They were FORCED to. Ask yourself, why would a bank take on a high risk customer who cannot possibly pay back the loan? That's bad business sense. They make the most money off the loan being paid in full, not from people who default on loans in which they eventually wind up charging them off (at a loss). And they certainly don't make their money off subprime loans.
BF sucks at root cause analysis and knows little substance about how the economy and banking works, which is why he reads Alex Jones and Paul Krugman who both prefer rhetoric/style over substance. Both loons from OPPOSITE ends of the political spectrum, which also makes little sense that someone would subscribe to both schools of thought. :facepalm:
And after writing all of that, I realized that we are all bickering back and forth over lawyers and bankers in a thread about 2 good Auburn men who lost their lives a week ago.
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Some friends and I are coming up to the Big D this weekend to go to Market. I'll wave in your general direction as we drive through. :-)
Will be out in San Anne-tone next week.
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I hate Krugman as much as anyone else, but the fact remains Iceland will come out on top since they're no longer victim of the world banking system. I get most of my information from Lew Rockwell.
You are aiming at the wrong bankers. If any bankers should be looked at it, it should be the IMF, George Soros, Bernanke and Geithner. Not the Presidents of US Banks who were just playing with the hand they were dealt. Iceland also doesn't have a welfare state/entitlement system the size of the US, Greece, Spain, France, Italy.......damn, were talking about the global economic crisis and sleezy lawyers in a thread about a deadly shooting in Auburn. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I didn't start the off thread discussion.
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I didn't start the off thread discussion.
Where has all the personable accountability gone in this country?
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Where has all the personable accountability gone in this country?
:thumsup:
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Where has all the personable accountability gone in this country?
It went out the window with the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.
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You are aiming at the wrong bankers. If any bankers should be looked at it, it should be the IMF, George Soros, Bernanke and Geithner. Not the Presidents of US Banks who were just playing with the hand they were dealt. Iceland also doesn't have a welfare state/entitlement system the size of the US, Greece, Spain, France, Italy.......damn, were talking about the global economic crisis and sleezy lawyers in a thread about a deadly shooting in Auburn. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Actually it all plays a part in the destruction of the fabric and family unit in this country.
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Some friends and I are coming up to the Big D this weekend to go to Market. I'll wave in your general direction as we drive through. :-)
What Market? When ya gonna be here?
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What Market? When ya gonna be here?
Interior Design Market. Just one night bookended by two solid days of shopping our asses off tax free. This is serious business - no time for Xer frivolity. I got a budget to decimate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yall gonna have a pillowfight in the hotel room?
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Interior Design Market. Just one night bookended by two solid days of shopping our asses off tax free. This is serious business - no time for Xer frivolity. I got a budget to decimate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No problem, I have no budget left after last week. Have fun.
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Woosie knocks up a CO and receives no punishment.
http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2014/07/accused_auburn_mass_shooter_de.html#incart_m-rpt-2 (http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2014/07/accused_auburn_mass_shooter_de.html#incart_m-rpt-2)
He's no Tavon White.
Four female correction officers were impregnated by the reported leader of a Maryland prison gang, which used a network of female prison guards to help launder money, run drugs and smuggle contraband into state detention facilities, according to a federal indictment.
One of the guards was twice impregnated by Tavon White, identified in court papers as the alleged leader of the Black Guerilla Family.
Two of the female correction officers tattooed "Tavon" on their bodies, one on her neck and another on the wrist, according to the indictment.
In one incident, one guard kept watch over a closet, in which White and another guard had sex, according to authorities.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-leader-impregnates-maryland-female-prison-guards/story?id=19033048 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-leader-impregnates-maryland-female-prison-guards/story?id=19033048)
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Woosie knocks up a CO and receives no punishment.
http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2014/07/accused_auburn_mass_shooter_de.html#incart_m-rpt-2 (http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2014/07/accused_auburn_mass_shooter_de.html#incart_m-rpt-2)
He's no Tavon White.
Four female correction officers were impregnated by the reported leader of a Maryland prison gang, which used a network of female prison guards to help launder money, run drugs and smuggle contraband into state detention facilities, according to a federal indictment.
One of the guards was twice impregnated by Tavon White, identified in court papers as the alleged leader of the Black Guerilla Family.
Two of the female correction officers tattooed "Tavon" on their bodies, one on her neck and another on the wrist, according to the indictment.
In one incident, one guard kept watch over a closet, in which White and another guard had sex, according to authorities.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-leader-impregnates-maryland-female-prison-guards/story?id=19033048 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-leader-impregnates-maryland-female-prison-guards/story?id=19033048)
I mean - what is this guy doing to be "the man"? Guy must have a 17 inch schlong and drive a Ferrari.
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I mean - what is this guy doing to be "the man"? Guy must have a 17 inch schlong and drive a Ferrari.
In all seriousness, between the Free Woosie shit on Twitter following the incident and this shit here, the most logical explanation is that he's a cult leader.
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Wait, wait.
We have another confusing link situation.
The part Wes posted was a totally different dude in Baltimore. This is what "Woosie" did.
Accused Auburn mass shooter Desmonte Leonard had sex with Montgomery corrections officer, chief deputy says
on July 24, 2014 at 2:32 PM
MONTGOMERY, Alabama -- A Montgomery County Detention Facility corrections officer is accused of having sex with inmate Desmonte Leonard who is charged with capital murder in a 2012 mass shooting in Auburn.
Chief Deputy Derrick Cunningham said Shemarra Montgomery was caught on camera in June having inappropriate contact with Leonard.
After viewing the security camera footage, the sheriff's department conducted an investigation and found evidence that Montgomery and Leonard engaged in sexual intercourse, he said.
Montgomery resigned from her post Monday, but she was arrested the next day and charged with custodial sexual misconduct. She was released from jail on $10,000 bond.
Leonard is being held in the Montgomery County Detention Facility awaiting a Sept. 22 trial.
Leonard is accused of fatally shooting DeMario Pitts, of Opelika and former Auburn University football players Ladarious Phillips and Ed Christian at the University Heights apartments on June 9, 2012.
Former AU football player Eric Mack and Roanoke natives Xavier Moss and John Q. Robertson were injured.
Leonard turned himself in to Montgomery authorities following a three-day manhunt.
Cunningham said he doesn't know for sure, but he thinks Montgomery knew Leonard before he was arrested.
"(Leonard) cooperated with us on the investigation," he said. "He assisted us as much as our investigators did."
Cunningham said Leonard will not face any disciplinary action.
Montgomery's husband, Curtis, was also charged with hindering prosecution for allegedly lying to deputies about the whereabouts of his wife. He was released from jail on $1,000 bond.
Curtis Montgomery works as a corrections officer in a state-run prison.
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Wait, wait.
We have another confusing link situation.
The part Wes posted was a totally different dude in Baltimore. This is what "Woosie" did.
Wasn't really confusing to me. Wes4au posted 2 links, the one at the very top was the Woosie story, then Wes was saying that he was no Tavon White (because he knocked up 4 guards and Woosie only 1) then posted a part of that story (Tavon White's) and a link to that one.
4+1= 7 wait carry the 6?
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Wasn't really confusing to me. Wes4au posted 2 links, the one at the very top was the Woosie story, then Wes was saying that he was no Tavon White (because he knocked up 4 guards and Woosie only 1) then posted a part of that story (Tavon White's) and a link to that one.
4+1= 7 wait carry the 6?
That sums up about 43/67s of it.
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Wasn't really confusing to me. Wes4au posted 2 links, the one at the very top was the Woosie story, then Wes was saying that he was no Tavon White (because he knocked up 4 guards and Woosie only 1) then posted a part of that story (Tavon White's) and a link to that one.
4+1= 7 wait carry the 6?
Truth. wes4au rarely fucks up a quote.
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Truth. wes4au rarely fucks up a quote.
Rec-a-nize.
I mean - what is this guy doing to be "the man"? Guy must have a 17 inch schlong and drive a Ferrari.
I think it says more about the pool of CO candidates than any inmate's charisma.
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Rec-a-nize.
I think it says more about the pool of CO candidates than any inmate's charisma.
You have obviously never met Woosie. He makes your mouth water.
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espn. I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.
OPELIKA, Ala. -- An Alabama man was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the shooting deaths of two former Auburn University football players and a third man, with a jury rejecting claims that he fired in self-defense under Alabama's "Stand Your Ground" law.
Jurors returned the verdict against 24-year-old Desmonte Leonard after nearly five hours of deliberations.
The capital charge carries a possible death sentence, but life without parole also is possible.
Circuit Judge Jacob A. Walker III told jurors to return Wednesday for a sentencing phase that could include additional evidence. Jurors will recommend a sentence of life or death and the judge will make the final decision.
Leonard didn't have any visible reaction to the verdict, but a female relative left the courtroom crying.
"He's facing the death penalty so you can imagine his spirits aren't very high," said defense attorney Susan James.
Prosecutors declined comment after the verdict. Relatives of the victims held hands and nodded in agreement as the guilty verdict was read.
The Montgomery man was charged with fatally shooting ex-Auburn players Ed Christian and Ladarious Phillips at party in Auburn in June 2012. DeMario Pitts of Opelika also was slain, and three other people were wounded.
Jurors also convicted Leonard of assault and attempted murder, but he was acquitted of one count of attempted murder.
The panel rejected Leonard's claim that he opened fire after coming under attack at the party, held at an apartment complex a few miles from campus. They asked for a legal definition of self-defense and Alabama's "Stand Your Ground" law before convicting Leonard a few minutes later.
Prosecutors said Leonard deliberately killed the men after a fight broke out between his friends and other partygoers.
Leonard's attorneys did not dispute that he fired the fatal shots, but they said he pulled out a gun to protect himself and was particularly susceptible to threats because of the psychological effects of being shot in the abdomen in 2008.
"This case wasn't a whodunnit. He got on the stand and said he was sorry about it," James said.
James told jurors in closing arguments Monday that Leonard was on the ground being kicked when he pulled a gun and randomly fired in order to escape.
Lee County District Attorney Robert T. Treese said witnesses testified that Leonard was not involved in the fight and was never in danger.
Prosecutors said Leonard fired a .40-caliber handgun at least nine times. The men who died were each shot two times.
Leonard surrendered to authorities following a manhunt that included Montgomery police searching a house where they mistakenly believed he was hiding. He has been held without bond ever since.
Copyright 2014 by The Associated Press
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Leonard's attorneys did not dispute that he fired the fatal shots, but they said he pulled out a gun to protect himself and was particularly susceptible to threats because of the psychological effects of being shot in the abdomen in 2008
Sounds like an excuse to me. A huge reach. I got shot in the stomach once (prior incident - surprise surprise) so those guys had to die.
James told jurors in closing arguments Monday that Leonard was on the ground being kicked when he pulled a gun and randomly fired in order to escape.
He is the only one saying this.
Lee County District Attorney Robert T. Treese said witnesses testified that Leonard was not involved in the fight and was never in danger.
All other witnesses are saying this ^^
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He is the only one saying this.
All other witnesses are saying this ^^
Wasn't there a plethora of security camera footage for the jurors to see?
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Bye bye, Woosie.
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Wasn't there a plethora of security camera footage for the jurors to see?
From what I have read, yes. Enough anyway.
Trying to paint Woosie as the victim here (with his past) with no witnesses to support his case was a tall task for James.
What is the opinion of the counselors on the X on what the jury may come back with on his sentence?
I sat on a jury 3-4 years ago for a murder trial. Although it was not capital. We came back with a guilty verdict but Judge Walker did the sentencing. Gonna guess its a capital thing?
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Would be surprised to see the death penalty. You just have to have some forethought to get there. I doubt seriously Wookie went there with the intent of killing anybody. Probably more of a gangsta ass wanna be who made an epically bad decision when stuff blew up.
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Would be surprised to see the death penalty. You just have to have some forethought to get there. I doubt seriously Wookie went there with the intent of killing anybody. Probably more of a gangsta ass wanna be who made an epically bad decision when stuff blew up.
When keepin' it real goes wrong.
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Moderated.
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Moderated.
I'm gonna be keeping an eye on you.