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Given the choice of Roy Moore and Luther Strange? No contest.
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I understand that Trump endorsed Luther. But his only real achievement seems to be abnormal growth. His sole claim to fame is. "I'm bigly tall!"
I may not always agree with Judge Roy, but I never have any doubts about where he stands on any issue.
Lute? He washed his hands of the Bentley scandal to secure a Senate seat. He crusaded against Alabama casinos while taking money from Mississippi gaming interests. He's duplicitous, unscrupulous, disingenuous, and self-serving.
I'll take the Judge and keep taking America back from the liberals and the infidels.
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Agree. He's the lesser. Plus it makes liberals cry like babies.
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Agree. He's the lesser. Plus it makes liberals cry like babies.
Yes but he's so tall. Won't you give him another chance?
Have a heart!
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Given the choice of Roy Moore and Luther Strange? No contest.
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I understand that Trump endorsed Luther. But his only real achievement seems to be abnormal growth. His sole claim to fame is. "I'm bigly tall!"
I may not always agree with Judge Roy, but I never have any doubts about where he stands on any issue.
Lute? He washed his hands of the Bentley scandal to secure a Senate seat. He crusaded against Alabama casinos while taking money from Mississippi gaming interests. He's duplicitous, unscrupulous, disingenuous, and self-serving.
I'll take the Judge and keep taking America back from the liberals and the infidels.
This. Saw it first hand down here when he sent over 100 cops for a pre-dawn raid of Country Crossings. Put quite a lot of people out of work and took a shit load of money out of the economy.
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This. Saw it first hand down here when he sent over 100 cops for a pre-dawn raid of Country Crossings. Put quite a lot of people out of work and took a shit load of money out of the economy.
With the help of smiling Bob Riley.
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With the help of smiling Bob Riley.
Yeppers!
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Yeppers!
Amazing to say but I think Kay Ivey - who got the job by chance and Bentley fuckin up - may be the most trustworthy governor we've had in my lifetime. I'm going back to guy hunt, Folsom, siegelman, Riley, fob and the rest. And she's the most honest and normal. Not even a close contest. That's sad.
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Amazing to say but I think Kay Ivey - who got the job by chance and Bentley fuckin up - may be the most trustworthy governor we've had in my lifetime. I'm going back to guy hunt, Folsom, siegelman, Riley, fob and the rest. And she's the most honest and normal. Not even a close contest. That's sad.
She sounds so dumb though. I know she's not, but she just sounds drunk and backwoodsy.
This is what a real governor looks like:
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She sounds so dumb though. I know she's not, but she just sounds drunk and backwoodsy.
This is what a real governor looks like:
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Now? Forever?
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Now? Forever?
Never gonna get out-****ered again.
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She sounds so dumb though. I know she's not, but she just sounds drunk and backwoodsy.
This is what a real governor looks like:
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She sounds like an elderly woman hanging on to her last years to me.
People die. I know nobody believes it and thinks they will live forever but even around eighty we have for the most part outlived our time.
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Roy Moore is a fucking moron. A complete and utter arrogant, douchebag fucking moron from Etowah County. And he will win the election for the same reasons Larry Means was elected Mayor of Attalla AFTER he should have gone to prison and why Langford was elected mayor of Birmingham. Because Alabama voters in general are goddamn idiots.
So, are you voting Moore?
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This. Saw it first hand down here when he sent over 100 cops for a pre-dawn raid of Country Crossings. Put quite a lot of people out of work and took a shit load of money out of the economy.
So does shutting down crack houses.
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Roy Moore is a fucking moron. A complete and utter arrogant, douchebag fucking moron from Etowah County. And he will win the election for the same reasons Larry Means was elected Mayor of Attalla AFTER he should have gone to prison and why Langford was elected mayor of Birmingham. Because Alabama voters in general are goddamn idiots.
And think.....everyone else in the race is worse.
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And think.....everyone else in the race is worse.
Knows what he's talkin bout.^^
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I don't have a dog in the fight but I understand that one of the first things that Roy Moore will do when elected into office (and he will be elected) is to drastically cut law enforcement expenditures. Both numbers and monies.
Many people think it's high time we trim the fat in the law enforcement community. Honestly, there are a lot of fat people in law enforcement, so, we'll see.
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Fuck Roy Moore.
Now that's not nice
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Fuck Roy Moore.
I do not believe he is in favor of the homosex. You're out of luck i'm afraid.
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I do not believe he is in favor of the homosex. You're out of luck i'm afraid.
Yeah he's a might rigid. Might be uncomfortable.
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The first thing he will do is grandstand on some bullshit religious opinion and get removed from yet another elected position to really hammer home how fucking moronic Alabamians really are.
Oh sure. He should abandon the Alabama politician's handbook that has been tried and true for generations at getting men elected, just because you don't agree.
Go find a jay walker.
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I'm writing in William Bell, because he's all over the real issues.
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The first thing he will do is grandstand on some bullshit religious opinion and get removed from yet another elected position to really hammer home how fucking moronic Alabamians really are.
It's for a senate seat. Not governor. He votes yay or nay.
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Fuck Roy Moore.
It's legal now.
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He'll find a way to grandstand. He'll find a way to be removed from office.
If he tries anything like that legislatively it won't get off the ground. He has no executive power in this role.
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He'll find a way to grandstand. He'll find a way to be removed from office.
He's no more that religious man than Hugh Freeze
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He's no more that religious man than Hugh Freeze
Hey, you wait just a gall dernd minute there fella. Hugh Freeze is no Roy Moore.
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Hey, you wait just a gall dernd minute there fella. Hugh Freeze is no Roy Moore.
Well according to the prostitutes...
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Roy will show you the way.
Some of you still won't listen. But that is not on Roy!
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If the voters where the man lives fucking hates him, that should tell you all you need to know about the Bible thumper.
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If the voters where the man lives fucking hates him, that should tell you all you need to know about the Bible thumper.
See Bradley Byrne
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If the voters where the man lives fucking hates him, that should tell you all you need to know about the Bible thumper.
Didn't moore win 85% of the states counties?
I'm telling you token - you're worrying over nothing with the dude. As a senator he will not have the kind of executive authority he did as a Chief Justice or that he would have as a governor. And if he attempts to sponsor legislation in D.C. that is considered bible thumping it will go nowhere. It's that simple.
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My problem with him isn't the authority he'll have in the United States government. It's the bullshit that I'll have to endure as a Senator with his residence being in my county. He is the epitome of all that is wrong with US politics and politicians.
In a state chock full of some of the most corrupt politicians known to humanity (and I know, because I'm in the pits right now and it's unbelievable just how bad it is) I'd really like to know what sets Roy apart in your mind.
He's not corrupt in the traditional sense. He does, obviously, ride a sanctimonious white horse but when you compare him to Byrne, Strange, Bentley, Bedford, and so on forever? I'm not trolling. I honestly want to know what makes him worse.
I can't vote for Little Luther. I need options.
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My problem with him isn't the authority he'll have in the United States government. It's the bullshit that I'll have to endure as a Senator with his residence being in my county. He is the epitome of all that is wrong with US politics and politicians.
What is wrong with America is the number of people that are supposedly on the side of law and order but they are fence sitters. And often side with the gays and hippy crowd.
No wonder America has been headed for hell in a hand basket. When the supposed "law" is immoral and commie leaning, that tin star doesn't mean diddly.
But Roy Moore will help make us great again.
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I gotta say, I'm more than willing to vote for a guy strong enough to move a monument into the rotunda all by himself.
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I gotta say, I'm more than willing to vote for a guy strong enough to move a monument into the rotunda all by himself.
That thing was a bizzitch!
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In a state chock full of some of the most corrupt politicians known to humanity (and I know, because I'm in the pits right now and it's unbelievable just how bad it is) I'd really like to know what sets Roy apart in your mind.
He's not corrupt in the traditional sense. He does, obviously, ride a sanctimonious white horse but when you compare him to Byrne, Strange, Bentley, Bedford, and so on forever? I'm not trolling. I honestly want to know what makes him worse.
I can't vote for Little Luther. I need options.
That's kind of my take as well.
As sanctimonious as he can be, he's not politically corrupt. And is sans personal scandals tied to the office like so many others in this state. To me they have been the problem. Moore is more than likely going to be in lock step with trumps policy positions. I'm not sure I trust most of the Luther strange types to get firm on immigration or tax reform for the middle class. They've had 100 of chances and nothing.
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Oh wow. This is Alabama politics.
Crooked Luther tries to see how many times he can say the word Trump. Offers nothing else but "Trump likes me! He really likes me! Moore doesn't want to build the wall!" Looks like a complete and total chump. No way I can vote for him.
I'd made peace with voting for Roy.
And then last night... He takes the stage in Fairhope in a cowboy hat and leather vest. At some point during his speech he pulls a sissy ass gun from his front pocket and waves it around. If it had been a cool gun, maybe I would feel differently but it was a little effeminate pistol. Why in the hell does he have a pistol in his pocket?
I can't vote for Luther. I think Roy may be insane.
I'm staying home.
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Oh wow. This is Alabama politics.
Crooked Luther tries to see how many times he can say the word Trump. Offers nothing else but "Trump likes me! He really likes me! Moore doesn't want to build the wall!" Looks like a complete and total chump. No way I can vote for him.
I'd made peace with voting for Roy.
And then last night... He takes the stage in Fairhope in a cowboy hat and leather vest. At some point during his speech he pulls a sissy ass gun from his front pocket and waves it around. If it had been a cool gun, maybe I would feel differently but it was a little effeminate pistol. Why in the hell does he have a pistol in his pocket?
I can't vote for Luther. I think Roy may be insane.
I'm staying home.
This whole spectacle made me glad I moved to Georgia.
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This whole spectacle made me glad I moved to Georgia.
You say that like it's better there. The last senate and governor races there were a laughing stock. I live in one state and work in the other and there is about a 3 cent difference at all levels between them.
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Oh wow. This is Alabama politics.
Crooked Luther tries to see how many times he can say the word Trump. Offers nothing else but "Trump likes me! He really likes me! Moore doesn't want to build the wall!" Looks like a complete and total chump. No way I can vote for him.
I'd made peace with voting for Roy.
And then last night... He takes the stage in Fairhope in a cowboy hat and leather vest. At some point during his speech he pulls a sissy ass gun from his front pocket and waves it around. If it had been a cool gun, maybe I would feel differently but it was a little effeminate pistol. Why in the hell does he have a pistol in his pocket?
I can't vote for Luther. I think Roy may be insane.
I'm staying home.
Roy Moore will pistol whip your liberal ass.
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Roy Moore will pistol whip your liberal ass.
Not with that pea shooter he whipped out he won’t.
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Excuse me, while I whip this out.
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WKRG TV was outside the voting place.
I won’t be on TV. Told him we had to decide between a crook and a lunatic so I wrote in Danerys Targaryen.
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Luther Strange is a moron.
Everything he did in this election was wrong.
1) He gained the Senate seat by trading his integrity. Almost everyone believed that he agreed to drop an investigation into Bentley in exchange for the appointment.
2) His campaign was based on two things: a) attacking Roy Moore and b) blowing Trump.
3) His ads were fraught with lies and pretty much everybody could see it. Nobody believed his "Roy doesn't want the wall" ads. Nobody believed his "I cleaned up the corruption" ads. Nobody bought his "Roy stole this money" ads. All negative, all smarmy old-school politics. That's not going to work any more.
4) He spent an obscene amount of money but never once told the citizens of Alabama what he planned to do except blow Trump. Contrary to popular belief, that's not what we wanted. He treated the state's populace as if we were dumb sheep, braying Truu-uu-uu-uu-uu-mmmmp.
5) He chickenshitted out of questions about his appointment. If he'd ever once stood there and faced it head on, he might have had a chance. He never did.
I think Roy is crazy. But he's not a crook.
Somebody check on Token.
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First order of business for Roy? Pistol whipping Token.
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Luther Strange is a damned idiot for reasons you stated. Roy Moore is a fucking lunatic corrupt asshole who believes and constantly practices that he is above the law. I have no doubt he will, yet again, embarrass the state of Alabama.
I'm with you except for the word "corrupt."
Roy is insane. Nobody brandishes a pistol at a political rally the night before the election. That's some Stephen King Dead Zone craziness. He's got a God complex. But the last word I've ever heard anybody who's dealt with him use is "corrupt."
If Luther had just done his job and run when the position was open? He might have had a chance. But his greed is bigger than he is. At some point it's going to come out that he, Bentley and Riley were taking butt funnels of money from Mississippi gaming interests. Those bribes motivated their constant war on the casinos in Montgomery, Atmore and Wetumpka. He's as corrupt as they come. He would do, say, give or take anything to be elected.
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Roy is insane. Nobody brandishes a pistol at a political rally the night before the election.
I'm hoping Roy started a new trend in Alabama politics.
Would have been more impactful, had he fired off a few rounds but it was still titillating.
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I'm hoping Roy started a new trend in Alabama politics.
Would have been more impactful, had he fired off a few rounds but it was still titillating.
This is a level of crazy beyond anything I ever imagined I'd see.
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Even crazier? I couldn't vote for his opponent because he's worse.
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So happy Big Doofer didn't win. So embarrassed Roy did.
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So happy Big Doofer didn't win. So embarrassed Roy did.
Very good take.
I was like SHIT! The guy I voted for won.
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This is a level of crazy beyond anything I ever imagined I'd see.
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Even crazier? I couldn't vote for his opponent because he's worse.
Ahh the good ole days!
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Luther Strange is a damned idiot for reasons you stated. Roy Moore is a fucking lunatic corrupt asshole who believes and constantly practices that he is above the law. I have no doubt he will, yet again, embarrass the state of Alabama.
Fuck the Republican Party.
Please to be showing us the corruption. I agree he's a religious holier than thou nutcase to an extent. But to accuse him of corruption you better be able to back that up. That's the one thing he isn't.
Sounds like you are more worried about what some hippie in California or yuppie in new yawwk thinks about you/your state. I would go on and on about the differences again in a legislative versus executive role but it's a waste. Have fun worrying yourself into a stroke over this.
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I'm with you except for the word "corrupt."
Roy is insane. Nobody brandishes a pistol at a political rally the night before the election. That's some Stephen King Dead Zone craziness. He's got a God complex. But the last word I've ever heard anybody who's dealt with him use is "corrupt."
If Luther had just done his job and run when the position was open? He might have had a chance. But his greed is bigger than he is. At some point it's going to come out that he, Bentley and Riley were taking butt funnels of money from Mississippi gaming interests. Those bribes motivated their constant war on the casinos in Montgomery, Atmore and Wetumpka. He's as corrupt as they come. He would do, say, give or take anything to be elected.
If I based my vote on someone's religion or lack of I wouldn't vote for 90+% of the ones I do vote for. For the most part he's on the same side of the issues I am - meaning taxes, jobs, immigration, Aca, etc. If he starts in on the religious stuff it will go nowhere in the senate.
He will vote in lockstep with the GOP - period. Strange was a flight risk much like Collins and McCain. Moreso than Moore. And he's a big govt fiscal liberal. It's that simple to me....but but ommmmagerd religion and god.....he likes him some of that god stuff what a maroon.
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One thing about it, regardless of what you think of me or Roy. Either one of us will pop a cap in that ass. Just try us.
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Took a look at the county by county.
Strange won Jefferson, Shelby, Madison and oddly enough, Sumter.
Moore took everything else.
This looks to me very much like the national race.
Clinton took California (Jefferson), New York (Madison), Illinois (Shelby) and New Mexico (Sumter) -- yeah, I know there were a few more but the parallel works.
Very much representative, to me, of the polarization that's occurring nationally. It's not race-based no matter what CNN or MSNBC wants you to believe. It's more "blue collar, fundamentally conservative" versus the world.
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Took a look at the county by county.
Strange won Jefferson, Shelby, Madison and oddly enough, Sumter.
Moore took everything else.
This looks to me very much like the national race.
Clinton took California (Jefferson), New York (Madison), Illinois (Shelby) and New Mexico (Sumter) -- yeah, I know there were a few more but the parallel works.
Very much representative, to me, of the polarization that's occurring nationally. It's not race-based no matter what CNN or MSNBC wants you to believe. It's more "blue collar, fundamentally conservative" versus the world.
That's because the "GOP" folks in bammerham are mostly McConnell neocons.
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One thing about it, regardless of what you think of me or Roy. Either one of us will pop a cap in that ass. Just try us.
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But Christ almighty where in the fuck are we as a state country where these two assholes are the best we have to offer up?
Said pretty much the same thing this past November.
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Said pretty much the same thing this past November.
Yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa!
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We agree on this. A lot of people have taken a lot of money to keep Alabama from having a decent casino for me to have a good time in. On those grounds alone, I'll agree that big Luther is more corrupt than Roy and Roy will likely be a better candidate for the seat. But Christ almighty where in the fuck are we as a state where these two assholes are the best we have to offer up?
I keep looking at that picture of Roy with his pea shooter and asking myself how in the hell did this guy get elected. Then I ask myself how in the hell I could have voted for him.
And then...
I remember.
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This guy is a fucking lunatic.
Actually, Buzz can be very engaging if you get him in a one on one setting.
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We agree on this. A lot of people have taken a lot of money to keep Alabama from having a decent casino for me to have a good time in. On those grounds alone, I'll agree that big Luther is more corrupt than Roy and Roy will likely be a better candidate for the seat. But Christ almighty where in the fuck are we as a state where these two assholes are the best we have to offer up?
Because they both had more money than Mo.
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http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/10/roy_moores_son_charged_with_th.html
Does this mean that we cannot count on you being as vocal in your support for Roy?
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/moores-compensation-from-charity-includes-540000-mortgage.amp.html
Y'all are about to find out just how morally bankrupt your bible thumper really is.
Weak sauce.
I've given you ample opportunity to jump on the moore train and not be left to flounder when we drain the swamp. But so far, you refuse.
You may lose your cushy government job when we Start draining. Last warning.
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/moores-compensation-from-charity-includes-540000-mortgage.amp.html
Y'all are about to find out just how morally bankrupt your bible thumper really is.
You assume that many voted for him because of that instead of in spite of it. Keep building that strawman Sancho.
When in the senate, will he vote yay or nay with trumps agenda? That's all I give two shits about. If Roy was in the senate instead of John McCain, ACA would now be repealed. That is absolutely all I give two shits about at this point.
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You assume that many voted for him because of that instead of in spite of it. Keep building that strawman Sancho.
When in the senate, will he vote yay or nay with trumps agenda? That's all I give two shits about. If Roy was in the senate instead of John McCain, ACA would now be repealed. That is absolutely all I give two shits about at this point.
^^Dis right heah!^^^
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No, I call him a bible thumper because that's exactly what he is. I think many voted for him because he appeared to be the less corrupt. Big Luther would have voted for Trump's agenda just the same.
Wrong.
He's a neocon. Strange is a big govt spender. Just like mccconnell. And kaos picture above says it all.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a moore fan but I trust him a shitload more on these critical issue votes in the senate.
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No, I call him a bible thumper because that's exactly what he is. I think many voted for him because he appeared to be the less corrupt. Big Luther would have voted for Trump's agenda just the same.
This^^^^is wrong.
I like to laugh and joke and smoke dope with the best of them. But Luther was more inside than most insiders. Despite Trumps campaigning, he was more Mitch's boy than Trump. Trump was just doing what he was fed.
Would vote for Doug or Moore before Luther.
Stick to keeping my roads clear of protesters. And meth heads. Let me handle the thinking and voting. I don't pay you to think.
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This^^^^is wrong.
I like to laugh and joke and smoke dope with the best of them. But Luther was more inside than most insiders. Despite Trumps campaigning, he was more Mitch's boy than Trump. Trump was just doing what he was fed.
Would vote for Doug or Moore before Luther.
Stick to keeping my roads clear of protesters. And meth heads. Let me handle the thinking and voting. I don't pay you to think.
Strange was a pure chess pawn used by Trump with McConnell. Pretty sure he regrets it.
Strange had no platform. No convictions. I think K mentioned it on back in the thread. But his campaign consisted of: GOP brass want me AND Brooks and Moore suck (and taking many of their quotes way out of context with a slander campaign). That turned many off.
To be honest, besides mo brooks - the black guy that ran on the dem side was the only coherent logical person running. He was ex military and a fiscal conservative. Well spoken. And he couldn't even win the dem side. That was bewildering.
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And Roy Moore will, yet again, be an embarrassment to this state. It'll be over a scandal. When it happens, and it will happen, it won't because I put him in office.
Write me in. I'm going to.
I'd like to get enough votes to start a movement.
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Y'all still ridin' with Roy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.fa7a18e15694
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Y'all still ridin' with Roy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.fa7a18e15694
For the record I was riding with Mo Brooks. Just thought Roy was the lesser of two evils - on policy with he and strange. I personally don't like Roy Moore.
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Y'all still ridin' with Roy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.fa7a18e15694
He should be a movie producer instead of a politician
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For the record I was riding with Mo Brooks. Just thought Roy was the lesser of two evils - on policy with he and strange. I personally don't like Roy Moore.
Is Doug Jones the lesser of two evils? Because Moore is pretty fuckin' evil.
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Is Doug Jones the lesser of two evils? Because Moore is pretty fudgein' evil.
Doug Jones knows we have come a long way, but we still have a long way to go...whatever that means.
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Is Doug Jones the lesser of two evils? Because Moore is pretty fuckin' evil.
I just know Roy would pop a cap in your gay ass.
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Devil's Advocate time. I have already heard these argument from others today in passing.
Timing of the Story. It's popular to now come out about it and why not come out earlier during his other campaigns? 42 years ago and come out now when his race is now getting national attention.
Proof. He said, she said. Where is the smoking gun. Which hunt by the WaPo.
While the story with the 14 yr old is creepy, in the 70's it wasn't uncommon for a 30 something year old man to ask out a 18 year old. Think about Dazed and Confused. I get older they stay the same age.
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Devil's Advocate time. I have already heard these argument from others today in passing.
Timing of the Story. It's popular to now come out about it and why not come out earlier during his other campaigns? 42 years ago and come out now when his race is now getting national attention.
Proof. He said, she said. Where is the smoking gun. Which hunt by the WaPo.
While the story with the 14 yr old is creepy, in the 70's it wasn't uncommon for a 30 something year old man to ask out a 18 year old. Think about Dazed and Confused. I get older they stay the same age.
Yes. But we must socially judge everyone by today's standards for what they allegedly did back then.
I do not want someone digging into my life while I was a student at AU. Many times it was closing time and I did not go ugly early...
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Is Doug Jones the lesser of two evils? Because Moore is pretty fuckin' evil.
Policy. I'll repeat it....policy.
This thread wasn't about jones. It was about moore and strange.
I personally dislike Moore's hyper religiousness. I think he's weird. I think he has some strange views. On fiscal policy? He's light years ahead of jones and strange. Meaning on tax reform and the budget. The McCain republicans are no better than the Dems on the inflated debt we've accumulated. I think that was much of the angst against strange. People don't trust establishment types on either side.
All that said, i echo what Aut1 said above. Does anyone actually believe this story? Regardless of who it's about. It's an al.com hit piece. Just like the ones they've done with auburn and countless others. I'll believe it when I see some sort of proof.
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And Roy Moore will, yet again, be an embarrassment to this state. It'll be over a scandal. When it happens, and it will happen, it won't because I put him in office.
^This^
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Policy. I'll repeat it....policy.
This thread wasn't about jones. It was about moore and strange.
I personally dislike Moore's hyper religiousness. I think he's weird. I think he has some strange views. On fiscal policy? He's light years ahead of jones and strange. Meaning on tax reform and the budget. The McCain republicans are no better than the Dems on the inflated debt we've accumulated. I think that was much of the angst against strange. People don't trust establishment types on either side.
All that said, i echo what Aut1 said above. Does anyone actually believe this story? Regardless of who it's about. It's an al.com hit piece. Just like the ones they've done with auburn and countless others. I'll believe it when I see some sort of proof.
^^ pretty much that in bold. I don't like the guy and I didn't vote for him. I didn't vote for Strange either. I sat on the sideline for that one. I couldn't make myself vote for either one.
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Y'all still ridin' with Roy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.fa7a18e15694
Damn straight I am.
Unverifiable accusations leveled 40 fucking years after the fact? Worthless in my book.
This kind of bullshit is straight out of the radical playbook. I find it offensive.
I honestly hadn’t planned to even vote. I will now.
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Yes. But we must socially judge everyone by today's standards for what they allegedly did back then.
I do not want someone digging into my life while I was a student at AU. Many times it was closing time and I did not go ugly early...
Damn straight I am.
Unverifiable accusations leveled 40 fucking years after the fact? Worthless in my book.
This kind of bullshit is straight out of the radical playbook. I find it offensive.
I honestly hadn’t planned to even vote. I will now.
Weinstein allegations were a long time ago. Spacey too. Neither were with victims as young as Moore's.
I find it disingenuous that a lot of the same people who believe in Pizzagate or Bill Clinton's pedophile island don't think there's enough evidence to back up this allegation.
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Weinstein allegations were a long time ago. Spacey too. Neither were with victims as young as Moore's.
I find it disingenuous that a lot of the same people who believe in Pizzagate or Bill Clinton's pedophile island don't think there's enough evidence to back up this allegation.
Don’t think you’ll find me quoted on Harvey or Spacey.
First, the charges are vastly different.
Second, with Harvey it was a known thing. For years. Nobody talked about it.
Third, maybe I did comment on Spacey but I believe you’ll find that I don’t put much stock in 30 year old repressed memories. And I think it’s absurd to eliminate him from the world unless some of that can be verified.
Fourth? I’m ALWAYS against history being revised through today’s twisted lens. You think I honestly support crap like the church George Washington helped found removing his name from the building? That’s not the point of history.
You’ve already fallen in with the motherfuckers by labeling these old whores “victimsâ€
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Yes. But we must socially judge everyone by today's standards for what they allegedly did back then.
I do not want someone digging into my life while I was a student at AU. Many times it was closing time and I did not go ugly early...
This right here. I'm not questioning whether the allegations coming out about Moore or anyone in Hollyweird are true or not. But a handful of the stories, certainly not all, are hard to spin into what I consider sexual assault.
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Weinstein allegations were a long time ago. Spacey too. Neither were with victims as young as Moore's.
I find it disingenuous that a lot of the same people who believe in Pizzagate or Bill Clinton's pedophile island don't think there's enough evidence to back up this allegation.
Gimme some proof of something very egregious and I'll grab my pitch fork and join you. And that includes anyone that is simply "accused". Would you believe this story if it were auburn?
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This right here. I'm not questioning whether the allegations coming out about Moore or anyone in Hollyweird are true or not. But a handful of the stories, certainly not all, are hard to spin into what I consider sexual assault.
That ^^^
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Don’t think you’ll find me quoted on Harvey or Spacey.
Nor I.
I let them eat their own.
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Nor I.
I let them eat their own.
We should support Hollywood, they know what's best for us. Just ask them. :taunt:
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Oh. Today I learned in '79 it was cool for 32 year olds to fuck 14 year olds.
Some of y'all have daughters.
:facepalm:
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Y'all still ridin' with Roy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.fa7a18e15694
What fun to me irony.
If I had nickel for every time you call and want to nibble on my nanner. And I no want you call.
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Oh. Today I learned in '79 it was cool for 32 year olds to fuck 14 year olds.
Some of y'all have daughters.
:facepalm:
I don't think anyone said that or remotely close to that.
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I don't think anyone said that or remotely close to that.
You don't?
How else can this be interpreted?
Fourth? I’m ALWAYS against history being revised through today’s twisted lens. You think I honestly support crap like the church George Washington helped found removing his name from the building? That’s not the point of history.
or this:
Yes. But we must socially judge everyone by today's standards for what they allegedly did back then.
The allegation isn't that he brought an ugly chick home from the bar. The allegation is that he tried to fuck multiple minors while in his thirties, including a 14 year old whom he did engage in sex acts with "beyond kissing".
Breitbart's defense of Moore is vomitous. This about the 17 year old.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/09/after-endorsing-democrat-teenagers-judge-fires-back-denial/
Another woman says when she was 17 and Moore was 34, they openly dated each other in the spring of 1981. This woman also is not cited making any claims of inappropriate sexual conduct. In fact, she characterized Moore as being romantic, reading poetry to her, and playing the guitar. The woman is cited saying that physical contact only involved kissing and did not progress any further.
Oh well, I mean, as long as he read her poetry what's the big deal with a 34 year old making out with a high school Junior.
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CCT can answer for himself, but I didn't take it as him specifically referencing Roy trying to :monkey: a 14 year old. More along the lines of what I followed up with. You read so many of these claims and wonder how do you get sexual assault out of that? 35 years ago, someone said you have a nice ass and now you claim to have been assaulted?
For the record, if it is true about the Judge, then he's a creepy bastage that certainly doesn't need to be in office.
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And another thing.
First, the charges are vastly different.
How, specifically? Did you read the charges? How is sexually assaulting and screwing around with MULTIPLE minors as young as 14 not as bad as asking a chick to watch you beat off into a plant or take a shower?
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CCT can answer for himself, but I didn't take it as him specifically referencing Roy trying to :monkey: a 14 year old. More along the lines of what I followed up with. You read so many of these claims and wonder how do you get sexual assault out of that? 35 years ago, someone said you have a nice ass and now you claim to have been assaulted?
Cool, but that is completely random and unrelated to any of the charges against Moore. There is nothing about him groping any adult woman's buttocks anywhere in the story. The charge, from start to finish, is he fucked around with multiple kids.
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Getting to AUT:
Devil's Advocate time. I have already heard these argument from others today in passing.
Timing of the Story. It's popular to now come out about it and why not come out earlier during his other campaigns? 42 years ago and come out now when his race is now getting national attention.
She wasn't asked about it until this story. He also wasn't running for US Senate. You say that's reason to question the timing, I say that explains it. How dare victims retaliate when it will inflict maximum pain and/or when they're asked to speak publically about it for the first time.
Proof. He said, she said. Where is the smoking gun. Which hunt by the WaPo.
Where is the proof with Bill Cosby? What proof can there possibly be for these allegations outside of him confessing?
Oh and I forgot, here was a 3rd time someone said something "remotely close to that" and it was you.
While the story with the 14 yr old is creepy, in the 70's it wasn't uncommon for a 30 something year old man to ask out a 18 year old. Think about Dazed and Confused. I get older they stay the same age.
What about the multiple girls mentioned aged 14-17?
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alabama-state-auditor-defends-roy-moore-against-sexual-allegations-invokes-mary-and-joseph/article/2640217
Alabama state auditor defends Roy Moore against sexual allegations, invokes Mary and Joseph
by Philip Wegmann
Judge Roy Moore, the Republican candidate for Alabama's upcoming special Senate election, denies allegations that he romantically pursued teenagers as young as 14 when he was in his 30s. Even if the allegations are true, one statewide elected official in Alabama said it's "much ado about nothing."
“There is nothing to see here,†Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner. “The allegations are that a man in his early 30s dated teenage girls. Even the Washington Post report says that he never had sexual intercourse with any of the girls and never attempted sexual intercourse.â€
After interviews with more than 30 people, the Washington Post reported Thursday that Moore engaged in sexual contact with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32 years old and a powerful attorney in a small Alabama town.
The young girl, Leigh Corfman, said Moore touched her over her bra and underpants, guiding her hand to his shorts. “I wanted it over with — I wanted out,†she recalled. “Please just get this over with. Whatever this is, just get it over.â€
Ziegler seemed unconcerned about that allegation and told the Washington Examiner that any political concern would be mitigated by three things. Moore never had “sexual intercourse†with the girl. Their relationship “happened almost 40 years ago.†And finally, “Roy Moore fell in love with one of the younger women.â€
Moore began dating his wife Kayla around this time, according to Ziegler. “He dated her. He married her, and they’ve been married about 35 years. They’re blessed with a wonderful marriage and his wife Kayla is 14 years younger than Moore.â€
Asked whether or not the report would upend Moore’s campaign, Ziegler predicted that Alabama voters would be angrier at the Washington Post for “desperately trying to get something negative†than Moore for his dalliances with teenage girls decades ago.
“He’s clean as a hound’s tooth,†Ziegler claimed, before relying on Scripture to defend Moore.
“Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,†Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.â€
“There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,†Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.â€
:puke: :puke: :puke:
And am I going to have to be the theologian here to point out that Ziegler really missed a pretty important plot point if he thinks Joseph had sex with Mary?
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Cool, but that is completely random and unrelated to any of the charges against Moore. There is nothing about him groping any adult woman's buttocks anywhere in the story. The charge, from start to finish, is he fudgeed around with multiple kids.
Just because you are legal should not make ok you tell Vlad that you slurp my salami. Or, you finger you butt when call.
Weirdo.
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Jesus Chiz. You sure know how to take things to extremes.
Yeah. I have daughters. I wouldn’t want them dating guys in their 30s at 17. But as was pointed out by others, things were different before you were born and decided how everything should work retroactively.
As the article points out one of the moms wasn’t against the idea, she was all damned for it.
All we have here is a few young girls who have hazy recollections of “dates†they may have had and what they think might have gone on. I vaguely remember dating some people in 1979. I even may have fucked a 36 year old married chick. But I guaran-doubledamn-tee you that her memory of those encounters will vary from mine. And neither will be exactly right.
The only thing remotely concerning is the bullshit repressed memory of some girl who claims things happened that can’t be verified or proven. I don’t buy her story. At all. (FWIW? I don’t buy all the stories about Spacey, Harv or any of the rest).
This is a hatchet job. It’s exactly what Roy said it is.
I don’t even like the guy. Like him better than Civil War “Wallace sucked†Jones and Big Loser. But he wouldn’t be my choice. This attack though? It’s slimy.
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#CleanAsAHoundstooth
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Jesus Chiz. You sure know how to take things to extremes.
Yeah. I have daughters. I wouldn’t want them dating guys in their 30s at 17. But as was pointed out by others, things were different before you were born and decided how everything should work retroactively.
As the article points out one of the moms wasn’t against the idea, she was all damned for it.
All we have here is a few young girls who have hazy recollections of “dates†they may have had and what they think might have gone on. I vaguely remember dating some people in 1979. I even may have fudgeed a 36 year old married chick. But I guaran-doubledamn-tee you that her memory of those encounters will vary from mine. And neither will be exactly right.
The only thing remotely concerning is the bullshoot repressed memory of some girl who claims things happened that can’t be verified or proven. I don’t buy her story. At all. (FWIW? I don’t buy all the stories about Spacey, Harv or any of the rest).
This is a hatchet job. It’s exactly what Roy said it is.
I don’t even like the guy. Like him better than Civil War “Wallace sucked†Jones and Big Loser. But he wouldn’t be my choice. This attack though? It’s slimy.
And Chizzy finger butt.
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This won't be the last. I know for a fact there is at least one more story.
If you and Roy had something going on, that will be the final straw.
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Whatever happened to Herman Cain's accusers?
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Jesus Chiz. You sure know how to take things to extremes.
Yeah. I have daughters. I wouldn’t want them dating guys in their 30s at 17. But as was pointed out by others, things were different before you were born and decided how everything should work retroactively.
As the article points out one of the moms wasn’t against the idea, she was all damned for it.
All we have here is a few young girls who have hazy recollections of “dates†they may have had and what they think might have gone on. I vaguely remember dating some people in 1979. I even may have fucked a 36 year old married chick. But I guaran-doubledamn-tee you that her memory of those encounters will vary from mine. And neither will be exactly right.
The only thing remotely concerning is the bullshit repressed memory of some girl who claims things happened that can’t be verified or proven. I don’t buy her story. At all. (FWIW? I don’t buy all the stories about Spacey, Harv or any of the rest).
This is a hatchet job. It’s exactly what Roy said it is.
I don’t even like the guy. Like him better than Civil War “Wallace sucked†Jones and Big Loser. But he wouldn’t be my choice. This attack though? It’s slimy.
Couldn't agree more. The October surprise. Chad you need to learn how these people operate. The same ones that ruined Herman cain. The same ones that said trump was peed on by hookers in Russia. The same ones who tried to fabricate shit about Clarence Thomas. You can go on and on....
Again, I don't like roy moore. I thought Robert Kennedy and mo Brooks would have been the best matchup. But this is as sleazy of an attack at the last min as there is. Either show me some credible proof he banged an underage girl or go home. There is no in between.
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Couldn't agree more. The October surprise. Chad you need to learn how these people operate. The same ones that ruined Herman cain. The same ones that said trump was peed on by hookers in Russia. The same ones who tried to fabricate shit about Clarence Thomas. You can go on and on....
Again, I don't like roy moore. I thought Robert Kennedy and mo Brooks would have been the best matchup. But this is as sleazy of an attack at the last min as there is. Either show me some credible proof he banged an underage girl or go home. There is no in between.
So now it's Chizad's underaged hookers and blow allegations?
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From what I've heard, Roy Moore was known around Gadsden as being sleazy and preyed on girls. But hey, that was back then and I guess it's okay to those with 14 year old daughters that he liked to finger bang little miss Mary J Rottencrotch through her pretty pink panties and give her alcohol.
"Even if the allegations are true," one statewide elected official in Alabama said, "it's much ado about nothing...RAGH FUCKIN TAGHD!!!!!! WOOOOO!!!!!!"
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From what I've heard, Roy Moore was known around Gadsden as being sleazy and preyed on girls. But hey, that was back then and I guess it's okay to those with 14 year old daughters that he liked to finger bang little miss Mary J Rottencrotch through her pretty pink panties and give her alcohol.
"Even if the allegations are true," one statewide elected official in Alabama said, "it's much ado about nothing...RAGH FUCKIN TAGHD!!!!!! WOOOOO!!!!!!"
You don’t know dick.
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You don’t know dick.
Chizad does.
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So, this accuser Who is now 53 has 2 kids by a country musician, has been divorced 3 times and stays broke. Her baby daddy band’s name is “2 lazy 2 ranch.â€
I’m assuming they were not at the recent CMA’s.
Why have I not heard this accusation in any of his other political campaigns?
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So, this accuser Who is now 53 has 2 kids by a country musician, has been divorced 3 times and stays broke. Her baby daddy band’s name is “2 lazy 2 ranch.â€
I’m assuming they were not at the recent CMA’s.
Why have I not heard this accusation in any of his other political campaigns?
This is just episode two of "The Shrieking Women of the X"!
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https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/11/09/hannity-defends-roy-moore-against-wapo-report-he-molested-child-its-he-said-she-said/218503
4:35
HANNITY: How do you possibly tell, know the truth, except — okay, so, the two other girls were older in this case. He was apparently, like, 32, and he dated — one girl was 18, one girl was 17, they never said he did — there was no sexual — there was kissing involved, and then they’re saying this one encounter with a 14 year old —
MCLAUGHLIN: And it was consensual —
HANNITY: And consensual, that’s true. And there’s, you know — I just — I don’t know how you find out the truth.â€
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https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/11/09/hannity-defends-roy-moore-against-wapo-report-he-molested-child-its-he-said-she-said/218503
4:35
Was ALL of the goober that you’ve gobbled, consensual?
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https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/11/09/hannity-defends-roy-moore-against-wapo-report-he-molested-child-its-he-said-she-said/218503
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Oh blow it out your ass. Quit being a fucking hothouse flower.
Clearly he meant the older two.
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Oh blow it out your ass. Quit being a fucking hothouse flower.
Clearly he meant the older two.
That's not clear at all.
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This is just episode two of "The Shrieking Women of the X"!
I seriously don’t think this is the case and you shouldn’t call them women before they have had the operation.
It’s disrespectful. And low IQ humor, if you ask me.
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That's not clear at all.
It is to anyone who isn’t bleeding from their mangina and looking for a reason to be outraged.
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I can’t speak for them, but I’m not bleeding from anything. I tried to save you all from having this conversation to start with. Roy Moore is a slimy piece of shit. Who will, despite these allegations and whatever pops up between now and December, be our next senator. Because Alabama voters refuse to see what’s in front of them.
This particular part of the conversation isn’t about Moore. It’s about the usual hysterical subjects pissing their pants over something Hannity said that wasn’t intended in the way they’re taking it. Same shit Bama Joe Scarborough and that Colbert douche will nitpick
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And low IQ humor, if you ask me.
I'm glad you got it...
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I'm glad you got it...
I don’t get it.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453651/roy-moore-responds-allegations
Roy Moore Responds to Allegations
On Sean Hannity’s radio show this afternoon, Republican senatorial candidate Roy Moore responded to allegations that he molested a 14-year-old girl and pursued relationships with three other teenagers while he was in his 30s. Moore categorically denied ever knowing Leigh Corfman, the woman who says Moore initiated a sexual encounter with her in February of 1979, when she was 14 and he was 32.
Of the accounts of the other women, Wendy Miller, Debbie Wesson Gibson, and Gloria Thacker Deason, who say that Moore pursued relationships with them when they were in their late teens, Moore was more equivocal. He said he recognized the names of Wesson-Gibson and Deason. “I remember her as a good girl,†:puke: he said about both. But Moore said he didn’t remember going on dates with them: “Neither of [Thacker or Wesson] have ever stated any inappropriate behavior,†Moore said, adding “I don’t remember dating any girl without the permission of her mother.†:puke:
When Hannity asked Moore if he denied dating teenagers while he was in his 30s, Moore said: “It would have been out of my customary behavior.†(So, not NO, but it wasn't "customary". Jesus.)
The Washington Post reported several details that appear to support Corfman’s account. Two women recall Corfman telling them she was seeing an older man at the time, and one of those women recalls Corfman identifying the man as Moore. Both Corfman and her mother, Nancy Wells, said Moore first approached Corfman outside of a courtroom in Etowah County, Ala. The Post confirmed that Wells had a hearing at that courthouse in February of 1979 via divorce records.
Nevertheless, Moore denied the charge, calling it “a political, direct attack on this campaign.†“I would have never had any contact with [Corfman], nothing with her mother or in a courthouse or anywhere else,†he said. “In fact, her allegations contradict the whole behavior pattern that two of the young ladies even witnessed herself.â€
The guy is a fucking slime ball, and you know it. You can deny all you want but if there were a D behind his name and there was this amount of even circumstantial evidence, and rather than deny the allegations say it wasn't part of his normal routine, you would all be just as disgusted as you should be here rather than waiting on some unspecified DNA evidence that can't possibly exist no matter how guilty he is.
Every one of you defending Moore believe every word from Juanita Broaderick, do you not? Why? Please explain to me why her account is infinitely more credible. Please show me the mountain of evidence that exists to vindicate her.
Anyone defending this has flat-out completely ceded any high ground for moral indignation.
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Another non-denial from the Hannity defense interview.
HANNITY: Do you remember dating girls that young?
MOORE: "Not generally, no"
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453651/roy-moore-responds-allegations
The guy is a fucking slime ball, and you know it. You can deny all you want but if there were a D behind his name and there was this amount of even circumstantial evidence, and rather than deny the allegations say it wasn't part of his normal routine, you would all be just as disgusted as you should be here rather than waiting on some unspecified DNA evidence that can't possibly exist no matter how guilty he is.
Every one of you defending Moore believe every word from Juanita Broaderick, do you not? Why? Please explain to me why her account is infinitely more credible. Please show me the mountain of evidence that exists to vindicate her.
Anyone defending this has flat-out completely ceded any high ground for moral indignation.
Do you deny liking boys?
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453651/roy-moore-responds-allegations
The guy is a fucking slime ball, and you know it. You can deny all you want but if there were a D behind his name and there was this amount of even circumstantial evidence, and rather than deny the allegations say it wasn't part of his normal routine, you would all be just as disgusted as you should be here rather than waiting on some unspecified DNA evidence that can't possibly exist no matter how guilty he is.
Every one of you defending Moore believe every word from Juanita Broaderick, do you not? Why? Please explain to me why her account is infinitely more credible. Please show me the mountain of evidence that exists to vindicate her.
Anyone defending this has flat-out completely ceded any high ground for moral indignation.
It’s impossible to reason or discuss anything with you when you declare with outraged absolute certainly not only what you think but also declare with the same misplaced sense of ingidnance suffused with pants pissing rage what the opionions of everyone else are.
You’ve chosen to accept as the absolute unvarnished truth the conveniently timed and completely unverifiable claims made by someone desperately in need of money 40 years after the fact. I don’t.
When I was 14 I told several of my friends I was dating an eighteen year old girl who went to Alexandria named Nina. She was hot. Liked to fuck. I met her at a scholars bowl competition. You can look it up. I was there. So was Nina. So yeah. I was fucking the fuck out of her. I’m gonna confess. Somebody please call her husband.
Don’t be a damned sheep, Chiz. Even you cannot be so blind as to not see the bullshit here.
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He can't deny because he knows there is one more thing out there. They probably already have it too. I warned of this. Moore is morally bankrupt. Doesn't matter though Chad. He's going to be the next Senator because he's a republican. And overcoming this? STILL getting elected with people knowing what a piece of shit he is? He'll only get worse.
All BS aside, please give me your opinion on why we are just now hearing of these 30 year old allegations?
It would seem that out of 4 campaigns that I recall, we would have heard a peep.
If everything is true, why are we just hearing this? Almost 40 years?
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He can't deny because he knows there is one more thing out there. They probably already have it too. I warned of this. Moore is morally bankrupt. Doesn't matter though Chad. He's going to be the next Senator because he's a republican. And overcoming this? STILL getting elected with people knowing what a piece of shit he is? He'll only get worse.
He alluded to this in the Hannity interview.
"I'm sure in the next four weeks they're gonna come out with another article."
Almost as if he knows he’s a scumbag with plenty more skeletons in his closet.
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All BS aside, please give me your opinion on why we are just now hearing of these 30 year old allegations?
It would seem that out of 4 campaigns that I recall, we would have heard a peep.
If everything is true, why are we just hearing this? Almost 40 years?
They were just asked for the first time, and if you read the article, it says specifically that the accounts were cooperated by 30 some odd witnesses who say they were told 30 years ago about these allegations, including some where they recall them being about Moore specifically by name.
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They were just asked for the first time, and if you read the article, it says specifically that the accounts were cooperated by 30 some odd witnesses who say they were told 30 years ago about these allegations, including some where they recall them being about Moore specifically by name.
My Uncle CJ was accused of porking a white girl in Slapout about 30 years ago but we’d all forgotten about it, until he decided to run for dog catcher.
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They were just asked for the first time, and if you read the article, it says specifically that the accounts were cooperated by 30 some odd witnesses who say they were told 30 years ago about these allegations, including some where they recall them being about Moore specifically by name.
If you truly believe this?
I pity you.
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It’s impossible to reason or discuss anything with you when you declare with outraged absolute certainly not only what you think but also declare with the same misplaced sense of ingidnance suffused with pants pissing rage what the opionions of everyone else are.
You’ve chosen to accept as the absolute unvarnished truth the conveniently timed and completely unverifiable claims made by someone desperately in need of money 40 years after the fact. I don’t.
When I was 14 I told several of my friends I was dating an eighteen year old girl who went to Alexandria named Nina. She was hot. Liked to fuck. I met her at a scholars bowl competition. You can look it up. I was there. So was Nina. So yeah. I was fucking the fuck out of her. I’m gonna confess. Somebody please call her husband.
Don’t be a damned sheep, Chiz. Even you cannot be so blind as to not see the bullshit here.
Like I said, the same shrieking that went in during the Trump campaign.
Where are all those women now?
I don't give two shits about Roy. I don't live in Bama.
But I do recognize the playbook!
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I don't know if the story with this girl is true or not.
This is the take-a-way. I don’t know either. But I know the people responsible for getting the story out don’t care if it’s true or not.
I met the man one time 15 years ago. Would assume you know him much better. And he may very well be as bad as you say. But, if the allegations don’t have any legal implications, should that alone cost his campaign? I’m asking this in sincerity.
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Getting to AUT:She wasn't asked about it until this story. He also wasn't running for US Senate. You say that's reason to question the timing, I say that explains it. How dare victims retaliate when it will inflict maximum pain and/or when they're asked to speak publically about it for the first time.
Where is the proof with Bill Cosby? What proof can there possibly be for these allegations outside of him confessing?
Oh and I forgot, here was a 3rd time someone said something "remotely close to that" and it was you.What about the multiple girls mentioned aged 14-17?
Yeah, about that. I said those were arguments I heard in passing. I, personally, never once said it was cool in 79 for a 32 yr old to be hitting on a 14 yr old.
I do have to question the timing of the story out of all the arguments I have heard from people.
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I don’t have much time to work on this today. I will be involved with the Tigers.
But before I start that, isn’t it amazing that these allegations are reinforced by the two most likely diddlers on here.
Now, Chizzy may have just diddled boys. And Wes girls. I don’t know. Maybe both? But I think that we can all agree that it’s a safe bet that they both diddled.
So, for them to side against Roy is surprising.
Token? Late nights, country roads, busting up the keg party at the county clay pit. You do the math.
I’ll save you some steps. It comes up diddler. I do think it was definitely girls with token though.
Kerryon.
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Should this story cost his campaign? No, especially if they can't be verified. Karma is a bitch though, he's been involved in a lot of bullshit in his day. So my feelings won't be hurt at all if this does get him. He had it coming.
Sorry, Token.
Now that Gloria Allredass is involved, I know that there's nothing to any of this shit. I'm going to vote for him and vote hard.
Whatever else he may be, this is nothing more than politically motivated character assassination.
As soon as he wins all of these people will disappear into the filthy woodwork from whence they came.
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Sorry, Token.
Now that Gloria Allredass is involved, I know that there's nothing to any of this shit. I'm going to vote for him and vote hard.
Whatever else he may be, this is nothing more than politically motivated character assassination.
As soon as he wins all of these people will disappear into the filthy woodwork from whence they came.
Early and often sir. Why the let the democrats have a monopoly on that practice.
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Known dirtbag.
"As a Deputy DA in Gadsden when Roy Moore was there, it was common knowledge about Roy's propensity for teenage girls," she tweeted. "I'm appalled that these women are being skewered for the truth."
She later told CNN that Moore often went to local high school events and other hangouts: "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird...We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall."
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html#incart_m-rpt-2
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Very interesting that these ladies wait through 4 campaigns and around 35 years before the tell all. So, it just apparently took a higher office than governor or justice of the Supreme Court.
I’m not exactly sure the why but that appears to be the case.
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I care nothing about Roy Moore. In fact, he's embarrassing without these accusations. But the fact is, these accusations are a fucking joke. A hatchet job of epic proportions. Now???? Really??? Now???
35 years!
:haha:
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Known dirtbag.
"As a Deputy DA in Gadsden when Roy Moore was there, it was common knowledge about Roy's propensity for teenage girls," she tweeted. "I'm appalled that these women are being skewered for the truth."
She later told CNN that Moore often went to local high school events and other hangouts: "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird...We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall."
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html#incart_m-rpt-2
More bullshit.
Vietnam veteran comes back from war, lives in small community in an era prior to Tinder, eHarmony or even the Internet. Dating pool for a successful, single guy is very small. He dates (possibly) a few girls and is nice, friendly and complimentary of others.
Crucify him.
And to Token? I was going to sit this one out. I don’t really like Moore. But I hated Luther more. I couldn’t vote for Doug under any circumstances.
But this? It’s part of a — in my mind now — a coordinated conspiracy between republicans and democrats to destroy President Trump no matter the cost. The current Republican Party as personified by shitbirds like John McCain would rather go down in flames than allow Trump and his “will of the people†movement succeed. He and those who support him are threats to their cushy establishment.
I don’t care about some half-baked 40-year old bullshit. I’m ridin.
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^^This. Bitches.
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Quinton Jackson @alaskantexanQCT
Roy Moore's main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces and major financial problems. Filed for bankruptcy three times, once in 1991 with $139,689 in unpaid claims. She has had multiple issues with the IRS and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors as well. Hmm....
3:34 PM - Nov 9, 2017
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Quinton Jackson @alaskantexanQCT
Roy Moore's main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces and major financial problems. Filed for bankruptcy three times, once in 1991 with $139,689 in unpaid claims. She has had multiple issues with the IRS and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors as well. Hmm....
3:34 PM - Nov 9, 2017
So, someone who was assaulted as young person exhibits signs of instability as an adult. Sounds about right.
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So, someone who was assaulted as young person exhibits signs of instability as an adult. Sounds about right.
So a psycho crackpot loser is willing to make shit up in exchange for some relief from a lifetime of shitty choices. Sounds about right.
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So, someone who was assaulted as young person exhibits signs of instability as an adult. Sounds about right.
Your and Chizzy’s posts in this and unrelated threads, don’t have anything to do with this.
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I'm aware that literally no amount of evidence, including video tape of his dick in a 13 year old's mouth is going to convince most of you that he's a piece of shit, but for the sane people:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/woman-says-roy-moore-tried-to-rape-her-at-16-i-was-begging-him-to-stop
Moore said he had no idea who Beverly Nelson was and doesn't recall ever meeting her at the Olde Hickory House restaurant or anywhere else.
He signed her yearbook "To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore, D.A. 12-22-77 Olde Hickory House."
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Buh buh buh but WHY were there no signs of this earlier????!!!!???
https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-alabama-mall-banned-roy-moore-in-the-80s-for-pursuing-teens
Roy Moore, the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Alabama, was banned from a mall in the early 1980s after he repeatedly attempted to pick up teenage girls, former mall employees and local police told The New Yorker. Other locals also told AL.com that Moore was known for prowling the mall. Moore, whom five women have accused of making advances on them or molesting them when they were teenagers, allegedly had a reputation for hanging around the Gadsden Mall, in Gadsden, Alabama, in pursuit of high school-age girls. One former mall employee told The New Yorker that a security guard asked mall employees to be on the lookout for Moore, who was “banned from the mall.†Blake Usry, who was a teenager in town at the time, told AL.com Moore was known to "flirt with all the young girls," and would hang out at the mall on weekends "like the kids did." Other locals told AL.com that Moore's penchant for flirting with teens was common knowledge in town. One former waitress told AL.com that Moore made young waitresses uncomfortable by staring at them, then becoming rude if they did not "give him an opening." A police officer, one of two who spoke with The New Yorker, said that “general knowledge at the time when I moved here was that this guy is a lawyer cruising the mall for high-school dates†and that Moore may not have received an official ban but was a persona non grata at the mall and had been “run off†from “a number of stores.â€
I mean, who among us hasn't been banned from the Gadsden mall for prowling on teenagers according to multiple witnesses and local law enforcement. But you know, you can't trust the libruhl Gadsden police and employees at the mall.
This is a fucking mountain of evidence compared to anything Juanita Broaderick has proven. I believe Broaderick. Most of you do too. Explain to me why her story is more credible than this boatload of victims and witnesses?
What the fuck is it going to take for you to realize this guy is the piece of shit he's alleged to be?
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I'm aware that literally no amount of evidence, including video tape of his dick in a 13 year old's mouth is going to convince most of you that he's a piece of shit, but for the sane people:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/woman-says-roy-moore-tried-to-rape-her-at-16-i-was-begging-him-to-stop
Moore said he had no idea who Beverly Nelson was and doesn't recall ever meeting her at the Olde Hickory House restaurant or anywhere else.
He signed her yearbook "To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore, D.A. 12-22-77 Olde Hickory House."
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You ridiculous mommy part.
I signed the yearbooks for some of the girls I used to teach back when I was 32. I told them they were amazing, beautiful, talented kids and destined for great things in life -- even though I knew they were none of those things. I told them it was a true joy teaching them and I was glad they had been in my class.
Holy shit.
EVAH-DENSE!!!!
Fucking ridiculous.
This Allredass led sniveling bitch found something nice the guy scrawled in her yearbook -- which need I remind you he didn't go and snatch from her so he could ejaculate his message into its pages, she obviously and clearly ASKED him to sign it -- and now this ragged old whore is claiming THAT as evidence of an attempted rape?
Get the fuck out. Kiss my ass on the way.
And for what it's worth? "Olde Hickory House" is written in all caps and in a different handwriting than everything else -- which is cursive.
So. Fuck you. Fuck her. Fuck all this noise.
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I mean, who among us hasn't been banned from the Gadsden mall for prowling on teenagers according to multiple witnesses and local law enforcement.
Fake news. Not true. No evidence of any such thing exists.
Guess what. If being single, 32, in a shithole town like Gadsden where most single girls were married by the age of 20 back then, and being nice to younger girls is a crime then lock all you motherfucks up.
You'd be in prison, Chiz.
#arrestChizadforlookingatyoungergirls
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And then finally, after hiding in church and behind the 10 commandments for 30 years, people start coming out and saying shit about the things I've been involved with. I want to say it's not true and a smear campaign but instead I have to say shit like "I don't recall meeting that girl" because I know the shit is true.
Yet "your kind" never once arrested him. In fact not a peep before now. All of sudden all of this stuff was so known. You guys have such a raging hard on for this guy that you have no objectivity. You can't see the forest for the trees. I do not like this guy and y'all are making me and K be the ones who can actually see the bigger picture here at play. And the operatives who throw these October surprises out to the masses count on hysterical people like you and chad to take the bait with your already existing angst for the dude. There are plenty of legit reasons not to like moore that don't involve timely tabloid smut.
They always talk about throwing out redmeat for the conservative base to sway people with emotion but damn if this isn't the same redmeat to the atheist/anti religion crowd that already disliked him. If this were anyone else, we would all be - in unison - discussing why this is dirty politics as usual. You guys are simply piling on because it's convenient.
I want to know. What did you or chad do to stop moore from getting elected? Did you vote for strange. Or Brooks like me. Did you donate to his opposition? The Roys of the world happen because sit idly and don't give a shit until it's too late. The Roys happen because people say and do nothing about the Hillarys and Obamas and John McCains of the world. And people get pissed off to the point where they will put a guy like Roy up there. A Buford pusser type because they trust no one else. You may not like that tidbit but it's true. Anyone that had a complaint about hillary or Barry o was dismissed. Now you are reaping what you've sowed. Roy Moore and even trump - to a degree - is a reaction.
So you guys have fun with your witch hunt. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But you are aiming at the wrong target here.
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The Roys happen because people say and do nothing about the Hillarys and Obamas and John McCains of the world. And people get pissed off to the point where they will put a guy like Roy up there. A Buford pusser type because they trust no one else. You may not like that tidbit but it's true. Anyone that had a complaint about hillary or Barry o was dismissed. Now you are reaping what you've sowed. Roy Moore and even trump - to a degree - is a reaction.
Or Bill. Don't forget Bill.
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Fake news. Not true. No evidence of any such thing exists.
Guess what. If being single, 32, in a shithole town like Gadsden where most single girls were married by the age of 20 back then, and being nice to younger girls is a crime then lock all you motherfucks up.
You'd be in prison, Chiz.
#arrestChizadforlookingatyoungergirls
No. not for girls, he wouldn’t.
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I guarantee that if I were to post a reward, that I could come up with 4 people from the past that would claim that Chizad and Wes don’t have homosexual tendencies.
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He signed her yearbook "To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore, D.A. 12-22-77 Olde Hickory House."
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I'm not a handwriting expert by any means, and I'm certainly not trying to defend him, but do the 7s on "Christmas 1977" look different than the 7s on "12-22-77"?
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I'm not a handwriting expert by any means, and I'm certainly not trying to defend him, but do the 7s on "Christmas 1977" look different than the 7s on "12-22-77"?
The 1’s look suspect too.
It’s definitely a suspicious annual.
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I'm not a handwriting expert by any means, and I'm certainly not trying to defend him, but do the 7s on "Christmas 1977" look different than the 7s on "12-22-77"?
And why THE FUCK would he write -- in different motherfucking handwriting -- a specific date one line after he'd already written fucking Christmas 1977?
I don't know what the man did. But THIS? This is bullshit.
So is the bullshit "Ah thank thet bayuck in like sembenty seben or so, he wuz allways a prowlin' rount that thare mall...." horseshitty bullshit bandwagon jumping "recollections" of people that have been stirred up by about EIGHTY fucking articles on al.com alone.
So is the bullshit "he teched me on mah PAYUNTIES" garbage that other woman spewed.
This is one thing and one thing only. It's an orchestrated smear campaign to take one more seat away from Trump and the Republicans. Period.
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Trial by emotionally driven lynch mob
Maybe if someone did this to yall on social media and it came close to costing you your job and family with fabrications and heresay being labeled as the only evidence, you'd think different. But carry on with your witch hunt. Seems to be the only action some of you have gotten in a while.
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I guarantee that if I were to post a reward, that I could come up with 4 people from the past that would claim that Chizad and Wes don’t have homosexual tendencies.
Just not want work go unnoticed WT, as it too often. You are one hell of a poster.
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Not follow closely. Does AUChizad claim Roy touched his panties?
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You ridiculous mommy part.
This the part where you tell me I'm the one stepping out of civil discourse, isn't it.
I signed the yearbooks for some of the girls I used to teach back when I was 32. I told them they were amazing, beautiful, talented kids and destined for great things in life -- even though I knew they were none of those things. I told them it was a true joy teaching them and I was glad they had been in my class.
Holy shit.
EVAH-DENSE!!!!
Fucking ridiculous.
1) You have to be a drooling retard to not recognize the difference in a 32 year old teacher signing his students' yearbooks and the 32 year old district attorney signing the yearbook of a girl who he only knows as the hot piece of teenage ass that waitresses at the Hickory House. You're not a drooling retard, so why are you pretending to be in order to be this obtuse?
2) I like the way you slid "beautiful" in there as if it's exactly the same and in no way much more creepy than "amazing", "talented", or "destined for greatness".
This Allredass led sniveling bitch found something nice the guy scrawled in her yearbook -- which need I remind you he didn't go and snatch from her so he could ejaculate his message into its pages, she obviously and clearly ASKED him to sign it -- and now this ragged old whore is claiming THAT as evidence of an attempted rape?
Get the fuck out. Kiss my ass on the way.
It's circumstantial evidence that they had an inappropriate relationship that he'd even be in a situation where a kid wants him to sign her yearbook. It's stronger evidence that he's a liar when he says, QUOTE: "This is absolutely false. I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was."
And for what it's worth? "Olde Hickory House" is written in all caps and in a different handwriting than everything else -- which is cursive.
So. Fuck you. Fuck her. Fuck all this noise.
So? HO-LY SHIT, Kaos blew this wide open! No one has ever signed a yearbook message in cursive and then switched to print under their signature in the history of ever! MUST be a forgery!
Here's Moore's signature to compare, by the way.
https://twitter.com/WarOnDumb/status/930163967783292928
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOibBGaVoAAfbch.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOibBGWU8AAttFY.jpg)
Fake news. Not true. No evidence of any such thing exists.
Guess what. If being single, 32, in a shithole town like Gadsden where most single girls were married by the age of 20 back then, and being nice to younger girls is a crime then lock all you motherfucks up.
You'd be in prison, Chiz.
#arrestChizadforlookingatyoungergirls
No. I'm 35 now and before I saw my 17th birthday I was no longer interesting in fucking the 14 year old chicks at Suprises Inside looking at Hello Kittie pencil boxes. If you can relate to this, that's a problem with you.
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This the part where you tell me I'm the one stepping out of civil discourse, isn't it.
1) You have to be a drooling retard to not recognize the difference in a 32 year old teacher signing his students' yearbooks and the district attorney signing the yearbook of a girl who he only knows as the hot piece of teenage ass that waitresses at the Hickory House. You're not a drooling retard, so why are you pretending to be in order to be this obtuse?
2) I like the way you slid "beautiful" in there as if it's exactly the same and in no way much more creepy than "amazing", "talented", or "destined for greatness".
It's circumstantial evidence that they had an inappropriate relationship that he'd even be in a situation where a kid wants him to sign her yearbook. It's stronger evidence that he's a liar when he says, QUOTE: "This is absolutely false. I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was."
So? HO-LY shoot, Kaos blew this wide open! No one has ever signed a yearbook message in cursive and then switched to print under their signature in the history of ever! MUST be a forgery!
Here's Moore's signature to compare, by the way.
https://twitter.com/WarOnDumb/status/930163967783292928
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOibBGaVoAAfbch.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOibBGWU8AAttFY.jpg)
No. I'm 35 now and before I saw my 17th birthday I was no longer interesting in fudgeing the 14 year old chicks at Suprises Inside looking at Hello Kittie pencil boxes. If you can relate to this, that's a problem with you.
Easy to say when like boys.
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This is one thing and one thing only. It's an orchestrated smear campaign to take one more seat away from Trump and the Republicans. Period.
So why has every Republican who isn't a Trump/Bannonite drooling idiot abandoned him?
The list is growing daily.
Lyin' Jeff Sessions? Libruhl Richard Shelby? Shitbag Mitt Romney? Well, I guess we of course know Ted Cruz is lyin' if he's breathin amirite? Same with Mitch McConnel, Lindsey Graham & Paul Ryan. And low energy Jeb. And Orrin Hatch and Susan Collins and Tom Cole and Charlie Dent and Pat Toomey and Chuck Grassley and Bob Corker and Mike Lee and Barbara Comstock and Adam Kinzinger and Cory Gardner and Rob Portman and Ron Johnson and Thom Tillis and on and on and on. All just libruhls tryna ruin a good God-fearin' man with an innocent predilection for teenage pussy.
And you are aware Beverly Nelson, the yearbook lady, and her husband both voted for Trump?
Nelson, who gave a tearful recollection of the events she said took place, explained that her decision to go public was not political. She said she and her husband supported Donald Trump for president. “This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Republicans or the Democrats,†she said. “It has everything to do with Mr. Moore’s sexual assault when I was a teenager.â€
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And the shrieking continues!
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To the question of "Buh buh buh but if this happened 30+ years ago and we're only hearing about it NOW it can't POSSIBLY be true!!!
Explain Dennis Hastert rising to Speaker of the House, the most powerfull person on the Hill and third in line for the presidency. UNPOSSIBLE that no one knew he raped at least four teenage boys, which he later admitted and was convicted of, until AFTER he left Washington. How can that be? Sexual assault victims always come forward within days, it just doesn't add up!!1
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html
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Yet "your kind" never once arrested him. In fact not a peep before now. All of sudden all of this stuff was so known. You guys have such a raging hard on for this guy that you have no objectivity. You can't see the forest for the trees. I do not like this guy and y'all are making me and K be the ones who can actually see the bigger picture here at play. And the operatives who throw these October surprises out to the masses count on hysterical people like you and chad to take the bait with your already existing angst for the dude. There are plenty of legit reasons not to like moore that don't involve timely tabloid smut.
They always talk about throwing out redmeat for the conservative base to sway people with emotion but damn if this isn't the same redmeat to the atheist/anti religion crowd that already disliked him. If this were anyone else, we would all be - in unison - discussing why this is dirty politics as usual. You guys are simply piling on because it's convenient.
I want to know. What did you or chad do to stop moore from getting elected? Did you vote for strange. Or Brooks like me. Did you donate to his opposition? The Roys of the world happen because sit idly and don't give a shit until it's too late. The Roys happen because people say and do nothing about the Hillarys and Obamas and John McCains of the world. And people get pissed off to the point where they will put a guy like Roy up there. A Buford pusser type because they trust no one else. You may not like that tidbit but it's true. Anyone that had a complaint about hillary or Barry o was dismissed. Now you are reaping what you've sowed. Roy Moore and even trump - to a degree - is a reaction.
So you guys have fun with your witch hunt. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But you are aiming at the wrong target here.
Serious question: What happened to you? When did your transformation into full-blown populist lowest-common-denominator Trumpist complete? A year ago would you have believed Trump and Cowboy Bob over every one of those Republicans that have outspokenly come out against him? Where did you lose your critical thinking? It's hilarious that you think you and only you have the clarity to ignore the mountain of evidence that Roy Moore is a shitbag human because George Soros is behind all of this, man!!!
And in case you forgot, I'm not an Alabama resident so I couldn't have possibly voted against him, or I would have. Personally, I'm not a fan of Alabama being embarrassing beyond embarrassing. I did grow up there, afterall.
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To the question of "Buh buh buh but if this happened 30+ years ago and we're only hearing about it NOW it can't POSSIBLY be true!!!
Explain Dennis Hastert rising to Speaker of the House, the most powerfull person on the Hill and third in line for the presidency. UNPOSSIBLE that no one knew he raped at least four teenage boys, which he later admitted and was convicted of, until AFTER he left Washington. How can that be? Sexual assault victims always come forward within days, it just doesn't add up!!1
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html
You need see doctor.
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This the part where you tell me I'm the one stepping out of civil discourse, isn't it.
NOPE. I just stated the obvious. Pre-emptive.
1) You have to be a drooling retard to not recognize the difference in a 32 year old teacher signing his students' yearbooks and the district attorney signing the yearbook of a girl who he only knows as the hot piece of teenage ass that waitresses at the Hickory House. You're not a drooling retard, so why are you pretending to be in order to be this obtuse?
She handed him her yearbook. He wrote something nice (back in the day when telling a girl she was sweet or beautiful was considered genteel and not an assault) in her book. So. Fucking. What? It’s not like he was going to refuse. And it’s HIGHLY likely she was later in the back fingering herself over the man she got to sign her book. Hell she probably fiddles her crust still today over it.
Doesn’t prove dick or shit.
2) I like the way you slid "beautiful" in there as if it's exactly the same and in no way much more creepy than "amazing", "talented", or "destined for greatness".
It's circumstantial evidence that they had an inappropriate relationship that he'd even be in a situation where a kid wants him to sign her yearbook. It's stronger evidence that he's a liar when he says, QUOTE: "This is absolutely false. I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was."
So in your triggered world, signing a yearbook is evidence of an inappropriate relationship?
Damn. Just damn.
So? HO-LY SHIT, Kaos blew this wide open! No one has ever signed a yearbook message in cursive and then switched to print under their signature in the history of ever! MUST be a forgery!
Here's Moore's signature to compare, by the way.
Who gives a singing FUCK about the signature? The date and place under it are very clearly in a completely different hand.
That drizzly whore could have written Fourth Moon of Saturn under there. It proves absolutely nothing. He scribbled some shit in a book she handed him. Her adding shit to it is not evidence of where it took place. And even if he did write it in that restaurant FORTY fucking years ago so what? Do you remember the name, place, location and waitress at every place you’ve ever eaten in your entire life?
I damned sure would not remember what I wrote to someone who had no relevance to me that long ago. As a returned war hero he probably signed a lot of shit.
https://twitter.com/WarOnDumb/status/930163967783292928
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOibBGaVoAAfbch.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOibBGWU8AAttFY.jpg)
No. I'm 35 now and before I saw my 17th birthday I was no longer interesting in fucking the 14 year old chicks at Suprises Inside looking at Hello Kittie pencil boxes. If you can relate to this, that's a problem with you
Gonna have to call you a liar. Sorry. There have been threads on this very site dedicated to the relative attractiveness of girls who aren’t exactly golden agers. I believe you may have even participated in odes to college cheerleaders some of which probably included freshmen.
It’s nice to be all sanctimonious and holier than thou but let’s just be honest. If you weren’t married. If you lived in Gadsen. If you were seen as the most eligible bachelor in town. If horny, trapped moms were thrusting their teenaged daughters at you. You don’t know what the fuck you might have done 40 years ago. Would you have gone out with a few? I bet you would have.
Take this up with Snag anyway. .
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Chad,
Tawana Brawley, Clarence Thomas, the Duke lacrosse team, alpha psi fraternity at the university of Virginia, Steve Windom and Herman Cain would all like to show you stronger cases than the flimsy contextual emotionally driven non sense that you've posted the last two pages.
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So why has every Republican who isn't a Trump/Bannonite drooling idiot abandoned him?
The list is growing daily.
Lyin' Jeff Sessions? Libruhl Richard Shelby? Shitbag Mitt Romney? Well, I guess we of course know Ted Cruz is lyin' if he's breathin amirite? Same with Mitch McConnel, Lindsey Graham & Paul Ryan. And low energy Jeb. And Orrin Hatch and Susan Collins and Tom Cole and Charlie Dent and Pat Toomey and Chuck Grassley and Bob Corker and Mike Lee and Barbara Comstock and Adam Kinzinger and Cory Gardner and Rob Portman and Ron Johnson and Thom Tillis and on and on and on. All just libruhls tryna ruin a good God-fearin' man with an innocent predilection for teenage pussy.
And you are aware Beverly Nelson, the yearbook lady, and her husband both voted for Trump?
You answered your own question. The “drooling Trumpites†are the only ones representing the majority. The rest would rather destroy the system if there is a chance they can save their own power base.
Are you aware I voted for Hillary Clinton and Luther Strange? Prove I didn’t.
How did you become such a gullible sheep?
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Serious question: What happened to you? When did your transformation into full-blown populist lowest-common-denominator Trumpist complete? A year ago would you have believed Trump and Cowboy Bob over every one of those Republicans that have outspokenly come out against him? Where did you lose your critical thinking? It's hilarious that you think you and only you have the clarity to ignore the mountain of evidence that Roy Moore is a shitbag human because George Soros is behind all of this, man!!!
And in case you forgot, I'm not an Alabama resident so I couldn't have possibly voted against him, or I would have. Personally, I'm not a fan of Alabama being embarrassing beyond embarrassing. I did grow up there, afterall.
Not sure what the hell being a trumpist or not has to do with another person being accused of something. The first two sentences in the above have nothing to do with anything nor are they true. Somehow not being in a lynch mob and seeing it play out is not critically thinking?? You need to chill out for a smooth minute and quit raging. Listen to you.
As far as evidence goes - The same mountains of evidence they had against the Duke lacrosse team or the 4 cops that brawley accused? See previous post. People thought those were open and shut cases at the time. Now they just look stupid.
And you say that as if Louisiana isn't last in their fair share of major categories. Get over yourself. You ever heard of donations and pacs?
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Not sure what the hell being a trumpist or not has to do with another person being accused of something. The first two sentences in the above have nothing to do with anything nor are they true. Somehow not being in a lynch mob and seeing it play out is not critically thinking?? You need to chill out for a smooth minute and quit raging. Listen to you.
As far as evidence goes - The same mountains of evidence they had against the Duke lacrosse team or the 4 cops that brawley accused? See previous post. People thought those were open and shut cases at the time. Now they just look stupid.
And you say that as if Louisiana isn't last in their fair share of major categories. Get over yourself. You ever heard of donations and pacs?
He waits until after I have a stroke to decide to show up at an x gate. Coincidence? I think not.
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Chiz -
There are plenty of reasons not to vote for Roy.
We can talk about those if you want. I think you’d find we agree on many of them.
This hysterical storm of baseless accusations are not among those reasons.
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You answered your own question. The “drooling Trumpites†are the only ones representing the majority. The rest would rather destroy the system if there is a chance they can save their own power base.
Are you aware I voted for Hillary Clinton and Luther Strange? Prove I didn’t.
How did you become such a gullible sheep?
If anything he just showed how easy it is to rage and launch an accusation. I'm a lowest common denominator trumpet. Now if you'll excuse me I have to leave my single wide now and head to my mindless mill job with the other idiots. Chad said it so it must be true. Everyone else that doesn't think like chad is a mindless redneck.
So yeah trump supported big Luther. Still not seeing the trump tie in here as far as being or not being a trumpist. I do understand some of the GOP distancing themselves as they are up for a big election next year but I'm simply taking the story and developing my take on it. And so are you. I don't really know or care who is supporting or not supporting moore from the GOP. It doesn't really factor into my take. But that obviously bothers chad somehow. Who is and isn't critically thinking really?
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Chiz -
There are plenty of reasons not to vote for Roy.
We can talk about those if you want. I think you’d find we agree on many of them.
This hysterical storm of baseless accusations are not among those reasons.
Not only that. This type of all out assault pushes people toward Roy!
You'd think the shriekers would have learned by now.
35 years ago with NO PROOF. People are tired of the accusations without proof. Why? Because they don't want it to happen to them!
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Chad said it so it must be true. Everyone else that doesn't think like chad is a mindless redneck.
I doubt his own family thinks like him...
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Chiz -
There are plenty of reasons not to vote for Roy.
We can talk about those if you want. I think you’d find we agree on many of them.
This hysterical storm of baseless accusations are not among those reasons.
But. But. Mounteenz of evudense!!!!
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The really strange thing, again, like in the presidential election, is that the people here supporting Roy don’t even like him. We just consider him a safer vote than the alternative.
And quite honestly, had the blatantly orchestrated smear campaign not come out against him, I may have been able to be convinced to vote for Jones.
Certainly not now.
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The really strange thing, again, like in the presidential election, is that the people here supporting Roy don’t even like him. We just consider him a safer vote than the alternative.
And quite honestly, had the blatantly orchestrated smear campaign not come out against him, I may have been able to be convinced to vote for Jones.
Certainly not now.
This they do not get!
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You're correct, he's never been arrested before. Exactly what do you think I've been railing about for a few months now? I didn't just get a raging hard on when this story hit. I've had the exact same position on this man for a lot of fucking years locally and the same position since page or two of this thread.
You don't live here. You don't know shit about the guy. I can assure you I'm not the one who can't see the trees. I've lived in the fucking forest my entire life and I know all to well all of the bullshit that has gone in just the last few years. His son is a piece of shit and he didn't fall far from the tree at all.
I'm finished with this topic because it's to a point where I don't need to have a voice, but fuck Roy Moore. I've been saying that shit and I'll continue to say that shit.
Vote him in, be a champion for him. Again, like I've already said, when he publicly embarrasses this state again, it won't be me who put him in.
Dude you are like 30. He's been Supreme Court Justice your whole adult life. In Montgomery. Don't give me that "you haven't lived here so you don't know shit" sanctimonious horseshit.
All talk. All fucking talk. The media. And anyone raging over this shit.
And I'll repeat. I didn't vote for moore. And will sit this one out. He was. Not. My. Guy. Maybe it will get through this time. Maybe some of us that are old enough to remember have seen enough of these witch hunts before to know not to jump to a conclusion one way or another. This story isn't even a week old. Sheesh.
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Not only that. This type of all out assault pushes people toward Roy!
You'd think the shriekers would have learned by now.
35 years ago with NO PROOF. People are tired of the accusations without proof. Why? Because they don't want it to happen to them!
If only there were rock solid cooberating evidence like a meme or something!
Weird how wildly the standard for burden of proof shifts when talking about Hillary having Parkinsons and ordering a hit on Seth Rich versus virtually an entire town saying obvious shitbag is a shitbag.
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If only there were rock solid cooberating evidence like a meme or something!
Weird how wildly the standard for burden of proof shifts when talking about Hillary having Parkinsons and ordering a hit on Seth Rich versus virtually an entire town saying obvious shitbag is a shitbag.
Puff. Puff. Pass.
That shit was out there. So 4 accusers = a whole town?
Because the rest is just hearsay in a court of law.
I heard on this board that you liked the penises. Must be true. The whole board heard it so the whole board thinks you like the penises. MUST BE TRUE. Its COOBERATING!
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Puff. Puff. Pass.
That shit was out there. So 4 accusers = a whole town?
Because the rest is just hearsay in a court of law.
I heard on this board that you liked the penises. Must be true. The whole board heard it so the whole board thinks you like the penises. MUST BE TRUE. Its COOBERATING!
Are you insinuating that he doesn’t like penis?
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Are you insinuating that he doesn’t like penis?
I love my penis.
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You're right. He never comes to Gallant. He hasn't spent any time in Etowah County in the 36 years I've been alive. Definitely haven't had any dealings in the last 10 years. I'm just an ole liberal who believes every single thing the media has ever said about someone. You really figured me out.
There are political people I don’t like in my part of the world. Let’s start with Bradley Byrne. Can’t stand the guy. There’s a LOT of talk down here about him.
That’s not why I voted against him, though.
If a bunch of these gossips started yapping to the media about some 40 year old shit regarding Bradley I’d have this exact same stance. I find it fucking appalling that a couple of old shrews supported by nothing more condemning than an innocuous yearbook scrawl can shreik and point and completely ruin a man’s career.
I’ve seen this hysteria a lot in my life. There was a teacher/coach we had in Juco. Cool guy. Younger. Not married. Some of us who played hung out at his apartment. We brought our girls sometimes. All we ever did was watch movies, watch games, talk shit and hang out. But then one of the guys brought a girl who was dating somebody else, the boyfriend got pissed, he made accusations. His parents got involved. The girl lied. The school admin got involved. Started asking questions. Did he provide alcohol? Was he involved with any of the girls? Was he gay? I watched people i thought I knew lie. They told what they thought they wanted to hear. And a good guy, decent coach who did nothing more than give us a place to hang out where we wouldn’t get in trouble was run out of town.
That was 30-something years ago. You go to that town even today and mention his name? Some old fuck will tell you how he was banging the girls at the college, fucked the dean’s wife in the gym, had gay orgies at his apartment and had to leave in the middle of the night before the parents had him arrested. Or some such garbage. Over the years I’ve had girls tell me stories of how he made moves on them — girls who were NEVER even there or part of the circle that was. Do they believe it? They probably do. But I was around then. I know it didn’t.
I’m sure you’ve heard stuff about the guy all your life. I’m sure that every interaction you’ve had with him has been colored by those things you heard. His smarmy, holier-than-thou demeanor probably only makes it worse. (Ironically, Chizad should take notes here...).
If you’ve seen something personally, or have some evidence of something beyond the whispers among the townfolk? Please. I want to know.
But this? The badly doctored annual and some fuzzy 40 year old bullshit? I’m not buying it. Is he creepy? Maybe. Did he look upon teenaged girls with a lustful eye? Perhaps. If so he’s no worse than any random dozen 30-year old guys (except Snow White Chizad apparently — pfffttt). But did he force himself on anybody? I’m just not seeing or hearing anything that lends any truth to that at all. None. You know yourself that people with rapey tendencies don’t typically alter that behavior. If this were true it would have continued. Zero evidence it did.
I’m not buying it.
He’s NOT who I wanted. He’s just all I have left. No other options.
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Gonna have to call you a liar. Sorry. There have been threads on this very site dedicated to the relative attractiveness of girls who aren’t exactly golden agers. I believe you may have even participated in odes to college cheerleaders some of which probably included freshmen.
It’s nice to be all sanctimonious and holier than thou but let’s just be honest. If you weren’t married. If you lived in Gadsen. If you were seen as the most eligible bachelor in town. If horny, trapped moms were thrusting their teenaged daughters at you. You don’t know what the fuck you might have done 40 years ago. Would you have gone out with a few? I bet you would have.
Take this up with Snag anyway. .
Nope.
Cool trick you did conflating 14 year old high school freshmen and 18 year old college freshmen as if there is zero moral difference. There's a difference even in an 18 year old high school Senior and an 18 year old college freshman, and I know you know that.
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I love my penis.
You have a penis?
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Nope.
Cool trick you did conflating 14 year old high school freshmen and 18 year old college freshmen as if there is zero moral difference. There's a difference even in an 18 year old high school Senior and an 18 year old college freshman, and I know you know that.
Yep.
Zero credible evidence Roy ever did shit.
I heard you did though.
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You have a penis?
Of course. My wife has the low hanging fruit.
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Of course. My wife has the low hanging fruit.
See, I would’ve replied, “ask your wife.â€
But, that’s just the difference between inherently hilarious and mildly retarded. You can’t help it.
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Speaking of old men and young women, how old was Monica when Bill was chasing her around the oval office?
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Yep.
Zero credible evidence Roy ever did shit.
I heard you did though.
I think it’s taking things a little too far to suggest that Chad is a heterosexual.
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Speaking of old men and young women, how old was Monica when Bill was chasing her around the oval office?
She was 22 and fresh out of college...not 14 and fresh out of Junior High.
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She was 22 and fresh out of college...not 14 and fresh out of Junior High.
there is a 34 year age difference. Used Power to gain sexual favors.
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I've got the Power. It's gettin' kind of hectic.
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there is a 34 year age difference. Used Power to gain sexual favors.
No. Not 34.
Maybe he dated 18 when he was 31-32 (with mommas throwing their daughters at a successful young man who would take care of them). It’s a little off maybe. But he’s a war vet in a small town where the eligible single population is pretty small. So whatever.
Maybe he was flirty with girls in general. Lots of guys are. Especially ones who grew up in that era.
It’s a huge stretch from that to “he terched me on mah paaayuntees!!â€
I don’t believe a word of it. So fuck them. And fuck a system where some dimbulb can make a random unverifiable claim 40 years after the fact and unleash the hounds.
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there is a 34 year age difference. Used Power to gain sexual favors.
By this logic, me fucking a 1 year old is fine. 34 years. Samesies.
Also, I already mentioned, Juanita Broaderick is a much more troubling example you could have used, and she was an adult, and I believe her and not him (or Hillary) about the allegations. Because I'm consistent and principled.
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By this logic, me fucking a 1 year old is fine. 34 years. Samesies.
Also, I already mentioned, Juanita Broaderick is a much more troubling example you could have used, and she was an adult, and I believe her and not him (or Hillary) about the allegations. Because I'm consistent and principled.
your concept of that logic defies logic.
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By this logic, me fucking a 1 year old is fine. 34 years. Samesies.
Also, I already mentioned, Juanita Broaderick is a much more troubling example you could have used, and she was an adult, and I believe her and not him (or Hillary) about the allegations. Because I'm consistent and principled.
If you wait until she’s 18? Knock yourself out.
And I have an 18 year old daughter. She wouldn’t come near you.
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I'm talking about the age difference between Monica and Bill. And I misspoke I think it is actually 27 years but you get my point.
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Because I'm consistent and principled. And gay. Extremely gay.
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there is a 34 year age difference. Used Power to gain sexual favors.
Wait. Did you say Bill used Prowler?
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By this logic, me fucking a 1 year old is fine. 34 years. Samesies.
Also, I already mentioned, Juanita Broaderick is a much more troubling example you could have used, and she was an adult, and I believe her and not him (or Hillary) about the allegations. Because I'm consistent and principled.
^This^
Some here should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and say, "I support a known Pedophile that thinks his imaginary friend supersedes the Constitution."
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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/republican_national_committee.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home
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^This^
Some here should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and say, "I support a known Pedophile that thinks his imaginary friend supersedes the Constitution."
Look who’s going to hell.
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If you wait until she’s 18? Knock yourself out.
And I have an 18 year old daughter. She wouldn’t come near you.
Me too. And she knows better than to show up at my house with a guy like that!
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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/republican_national_committee.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/republican_national_committee.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home)
You are an even bigger idiot if you thought people voted for him BECAUSE the RnC supported him!
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I'm talking about the age difference between Monica and Bill. And I misspoke I think it is actually 27 years but you get my point.
I got it. No one else did, apparently. Especially Chinook.
The logic is flawed.
As even Kaos said:
If you wait until she’s 18? Knock yourself out.
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I got it. No one else did, apparently. Especially Chinook.
The logic is flawed.
As even Kaos said:
I don’t have a problem with bill hanging Monica EXCEPT:
1) He was married
2) He was President at the time
3) He was her boss
4) He lied about it under oath
Other than that? Sophie’s choice.
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I don’t have a problem with bill hanging Monica EXCEPT:
1) He was married
2) He was President at the time
3) He was her boss
4) He lied about it under oath
Other than that? Sophie’s choice.
But she was an expert at soaking the cork.
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Look who’s going to hell.
Not me, that's your invention. Try to keep up.
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But she was an expert at soaking the cork.
As we like to say, cork soakers are born, not made.
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I love-a soaking the cork! I could-a soak the cork all night long, if they let me! I want to-a soak two corks at once!
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Not me, that's your invention. Try to keep up.
You are in for a horrible surprise one day. I feel bad for you.
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The “drooling Trumpites†are the only ones representing the majority.
Lowest.
Approval.
Rating.
Ever.
=/= "majority
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It’s great that we can all get through difficult times in which we may not agree.
Even if shit does break out next weekend at the x gate. Even if Wes joins Chizzy and we have a three way. I mean...well you know what I mean.
But, I seriously doubt when all is said and done, that they would even sue me for the broken jaws and teeth removed. Unless, Snags is there. But even then, they obviously wouldn’t win that case.
So, here’s to continuing to ride with Roy!
:aubie: to the x.
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Lowest.
Approval.
Rating.
Ever.
=/= "majority
Media.
Fueled.
Fabricated.
Gullshit.
Wes = gullible sheep.
Have you not learned your lesson in relation to national "polls" and Trump?
(http://www.teapartytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Hillary-crying.jpg)
:haha:
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https://goo.gl/images/r6YJWk
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But she was an expert at soaking the cork.
I'm gonna disagree, A lot of little bills ended up on the dress.
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You are in for a horrible surprise one day. I feel bad for you.
Again, your invention. But hey, keep trying, you'll get it eventually and in the meantime you're riding with a known Pedophile. I feel bad for you.
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Again, your invention. But hey, keep trying, you'll get it eventually and in the meantime you're riding with a known Pedophile. I feel bad for you.
Say hello to Ted Bundy when you get there.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/21/48/db2148c847eed73f96b6a26bf4e25270.jpg)
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Say hello to Ted Bundy when you get there.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/21/48/db2148c847eed73f96b6a26bf4e25270.jpg)
Kaos invented hell? Dat boy good.
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Kaos invented hell? Dat boy good.
You've always known I was a god to Prowler.
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Kaos invented hell? Dat boy good.
I knew that he could be difficult at times but damn.
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You've always known I was a god to Prowler.
And on the 8th day god made a mistake.
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And on the 8th day god made a mistake.
And he named it Prowler.
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Kaos invented hell? Dat boy good.
Hell is a invention, just like Heaven. Which I believe in neither. So, telling me or someone like me that I'm going to hell is a empty threat. It'd be like me telling Kaos to have fun in the afterlife restaurant that only serves tomato sandwiches forever.
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And on the 8th day god made a mistake.
On the 8th day god made...nothing, just like the other 7 days.
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Oh look, more women are confident in coming forward...
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/2_more_women_come_forward_with.html
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Oh look, more women are confident in coming forward...
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/2_more_women_come_forward_with.html (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/2_more_women_come_forward_with.html)
Come forward to say what, that a single guy in a small town hung out at the mall and asked girls out? That could have been any number of guys back then. The only thing that would be acceptable to the left is if he hung out and asked dudes out!
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Least we forget that before Roy Moore was removed from office the second time, he was the only judge to vote in favor of Eric Higdon (the man that raped a 4 year old) to not receive the the sodomy in the first degree charge.
"There was no evidence in this case of an implied threat of serious physical injury or of an implied threat of death, Higdon cannot be convicted of sodomy in the first degree by forcible compulsion."
Roy Moore thought that there was no “implied threat of injury or death" in the rape of the 4 year old at the Christian daycare center in Clay.
That's the man that some here are "riding with".
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Least we forget that before Roy Moore was removed from office the second time, he was the only judge to vote in favor of Eric Higdon (the man that raped a 4 year old) to not receive the the sodomy in the first degree charge.
"There was no evidence in this case of an implied threat of serious physical injury or of an implied threat of death, Higdon cannot be convicted of sodomy in the first degree by forcible compulsion."
Roy Moore thought that there was no “implied threat of injury or death" in the rape of the 4 year old at the Christian daycare center in Clay.
That's the man that some here are "riding with".
It was better when you were quieter.
Your dumbness is sad.
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This latest?
Two over the age of 18 who may have — willingly — agreed to a date with Roy, a rehash of the other uncorroborated flimsy garbage and a review of the hazy rumors that have suspect veracity.
Textbook witch hunt.
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So is this heading for a Luther Strange appointment? How do they settle it?
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So is this heading for a Luther Strange appointment? How do they settle it?
Bentley says yes.
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Hell is a invention, just like Heaven. Which I believe in neither. So, telling me or someone like me that I'm going to hell is a empty threat. It'd be like me telling Kaos to have fun in the afterlife restaurant that only serves tomato sandwiches forever.
In all seriousness and putting aside the rhetoric for a minute. I wish you no ill will but I hope and will pray that you find what’s missing in your life. Not necessarily saying church or organized religion because that fails me too, but the spiritual foundation and humility of recognizing that there is a higher power, one that accepts you and provides a peace and comfort you find nowhere else.
I had to learn the hard way. And even now I still have to fight my natural impulse to believe I am in control. But it’s there. Just have to learn to listen and trust.
Hope you find it.
Now back to our regularly scheduled vitriol.
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In all seriousness and putting aside the rhetoric for a minute. I wish you no ill will but I hope and will pray that you find what’s missing in your life. Not necessarily saying church or organized religion because that fails me too, but the spiritual foundation and humility of recognizing that there is a higher power, one that accepts you and provides a peace and comfort you find nowhere else.
I had to learn the hard way. And even now I still have to fight my natural impulse to believe I am in control. But it’s there. Just have to learn to listen and trust.
Hope you find it.
Now back to our regularly scheduled vitriol.
I've found my peace and comfort within and it has zero to do with any invented religion from thousands of years ago or recently.
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I've found my peace and comfort within and it has zero to do with any invented religion from thousands of years ago or recently.
Ok, but you're going to hell.
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Ok, but you're going to hell.
Why is Prowler going to Tuscaloosa?
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https://youtu.be/baKBFM5JYjk
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So if we all rewound our lives back to our 20's and 30's, I guarantee that there is at least 1 girl out there that would accuse all of us of inappropriate behavior according to today's standards.
Is there anyone here that can claim a spotless record? I chased a lot of tail in my youth, I'm sure I stepped over the groping line at least once.
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So if we all rewound our lives back to our 20's and 30's, I guarantee that there is at least 1 girl out there that would accuse all of us of inappropriate behavior according to today's standards.
Is there anyone here that can claim a spotless record? I chased a lot of tail in my youth, I'm sure I stepped over the groping line at least once.
Yes, we all likely stepped over the line and groped atleast one girl. There are atleast 10 girls, that I can remember, that I've groped or had inappropriate behavior with (none of them were underage, they were all about the same age as me), but that still doesn't make it okay for someone that's running for a seat of power in the Senate.
The response to accusations is very telling to the type of person they are.
Take Franken's response and compare it to Moore's. One is apologetic eventhough they don't remember everything they're being accused of. The other is on the opposite end of the spectrum, attacking the accusers while trying to bring in his personal religous beliefs.
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Ok, but you're going to hell.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Oh no...nope still zero effect on me.
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Why is Prowler going to Tuscaloosa?
:facepalm:
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Yes, we all likely stepped over the line and groped atleast one girl. There are atleast 10 girls, that I can remember, that I've groped or had inappropriate behavior with (none of them were underage, they were all about the same age as me), but that still doesn't make it okay for someone that's running for a seat of power in the Senate.
The response to accusations is very telling to the type of person they are.
Take Franken's response and compare it to Moore's. One is apologetic eventhough they don't remember everything they're being accused of. The other is on the opposite end of the spectrum, attacking the accusers while trying to bring in his personal religous beliefs.
Sure Franken would proud to be know that you are on his side.
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Take Franken's response and compare it to Moore's. One is apologetic eventhough they don't remember everything they're being accused of. The other is on the opposite end of the spectrum, attacking the accusers while trying to bring in his personal religous beliefs.
I look at it differently. First off, I am not a Moore fan. This is not a Repug vs. Dim take. But here we have one candidate, Moore, who is being accused by one woman, who said he felt up her 14 year old cooze through her panties, almost 40 years after it happened. The rest? See K's breakdown. I don't even see the issue with all the others. But as for the one claiming 14 year old cooze grope....no proof. Just her coming out 40 years later.
Now....follow me here...whether it happened that way or not, without anything more than he said/she said, what politician or actor is going to do anything less than deny, deny, deny? In Franken's case....PICTURE.....BUSTED!!!!! Do you honestly believe had there not been Dems Gone Wild photographic proof of Franken's follies, that he would do anything other than deny, deny, deny? Of course not.
What Franken is doing is putting all the new SJW talking points out there. Yes, we should respect women way more than we do now. We absolutely should believe everything they say when accusing someone. Women are all victims and as a man, I am garbage. That's basically what the man said in his "apology".
When did Franken's change of heart occur? When did he see the light? How long after proposing an SNL rape skit did he see the error of his ways? Roy Moore probably did cruise for young cooze. But there's no proof. Deny! Franken did feel up the titties of a hot woman while asleep. Picture. Busted!!! Say all the right things and beg and plead for a career that's about to go POOF!
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I look at it differently. First off, I am not a Moore fan. This is not a Repug vs. Dim take. But here we have one candidate, Moore, who is being accused by one woman, who said he felt up her 14 year old cooze through her panties, almost 40 years after it happened. The rest? See K's breakdown. I don't even see the issue with all the others. But as for the one claiming 14 year old cooze grope....no proof. Just her coming out 40 years later.
Now....follow me here...whether it happened that way or not, without anything more than he said/she said, what politician or actor is going to do anything less than deny, deny, deny? In Franken's case....PICTURE.....BUSTED!!!!! Do you honestly believe had there not been Dems Gone Wild photographic proof of Franken's follies, that he would do anything other than deny, deny, deny? Of course not.
What Franken is doing is putting all the new SJW talking points out there. Yes, we should respect women way more than we do now. We absolutely should believe everything they say when accusing someone. Women are all victims and as a man, I am garbage. That's basically what the man said in his "apology".
When did Franken's change of heart occur? When did he see the light? How long after proposing an SNL rape skit did he see the error of his ways? Roy Moore probably did cruise for young cooze. But there's no proof. Deny! Franken did feel up the titties of a hot woman while asleep. Picture. Busted!!! Say all the right things and beg and plead for a career that's about to go POOF!
You do realize that in the Franken picture, he's not actually "feeling her up". You left something out of the Moore accusations, the fact that he was banned from the Gadsden Mall.
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You do realize that in the Franken picture, he's not actually "feeling her up". You left something out of the Moore accusations, the fact that he was banned from the Gadsden Mall.
Ewwww! You burnt him.
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You do realize that in the Franken picture, he's not actually "feeling her up". You left something out of the Moore accusations, the fact that he was banned from the Gadsden Mall.
No evidence this ever took place, dumbfuck.
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You do realize that in the Franken picture, he's not actually "feeling her up". You left something out of the Moore accusations, the fact that he was banned from the Gadsden Mall.
You do realize that ANY public figure with his hands on, or an inch away from her titties, looking back and smiling at the camera, is the SAME THING!!! Right? You do get that? Our current environment doesn't allow either.
I haven't researched anything to find out if Moore was actually banned. Have no clue. But I certainly haven't seen anything to that effect. Please provide something to back your statement up and I'll reconsider.
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But here we have one candidate, Moore, who is being accused by one woman, who said he felt up her 14 year old cooze through her panties, almost 40 years after it happened. The rest? See K's breakdown. I don't even see the issue with all the others.
Y'all keep saying that. So the 16 year olds and 17 year olds? No big deal a guy my age trying "date" them? Really?
But as for the one claiming 14 year old cooze grope....no proof. Just her coming out 40 years later.
Now....follow me here...whether it happened that way or not, without anything more than he said/she said, what politician or actor is going to do anything less than deny, deny, deny? In Franken's case....PICTURE.....BUSTED!!!!! Do you honestly believe had there not been Dems Gone Wild photographic proof of Franken's follies, that he would do anything other than deny, deny, deny? Of course not.
The fact that this happened a long time ago has been mentioned over and over and over as if it disproves anything.
So what about this Franken picture? It was from, what, 20something years ago? But why are we just now hearing about it? Must be bullshit de-facto, right? But there's photographic evidence. How can that be? I thought if they didn't run to the news until years later it's automatically false?
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You do realize that ANY public figure with his hands on, or an inch away from her titties, looking back and smiling at the camera, is the SAME THING!!! Right? You do get that? Our current environment doesn't allow either.
I haven't researched anything to find out if Moore was actually banned. Have no clue. But I certainly haven't seen anything to that effect. Please provide something to back your statement up and I'll reconsider.
Gadsden Mall and the YMCA
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall?mbid=social_twitter
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Y'all keep saying that. So the 16 year olds and 17 year olds? No big deal a guy my age trying "date" them? Really?
The fact that this happened a long time ago has been mentioned over and over and over as if it disproves anything.
So what about this Franken picture? It was from, what, 20something years ago? But why are we just now hearing about it? Must be bullshit de-facto, right? But there's photographic evidence. How can that be? I thought if they didn't run to the news until years later it's automatically false?
Beat his ass Chizzy.
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Y'all keep saying that. So the 16 year olds and 17 year olds? No big deal a guy my age trying "date" them? Really?
The fact that this happened a long time ago has been mentioned over and over and over as if it disproves anything.
So what about this Franken picture? It was from, what, 20something years ago? But why are we just now hearing about it? Must be bullshit de-facto, right? But there's photographic evidence. How can that be? I thought if they didn't run to the news until years later it's automatically false?
Gawt Damn! Did you read anything I wrote? Did you try and comprehend anything I was saying before responding? Haysus, I'm beginning to see what K is saying about you.
1.) Let me hash it out for you. I said I am NOT defending Moore. I said that he or any public figure that gets accused of something WITHOUT any concrete evidence, will deny, deny, deny. This is an accusation 40 years after the fact with nothing to back it up. I don't care for Moore. But he, or any other public figure will deny the allegations without proof. THAT is what he is doing. Get it?
2.) I said that since Franken was nailed, dead to rights with photographic proof of said allegations, he has no recourse other than to toe the company line and form his apology in lock step with the Social Justice Warriors in order to try and save his career. THAT is what he is doing. Get it?
Probably not.
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Gadsden Mall and the YMCA
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall?mbid=social_twitter
Here's a quote from the article you posted.
Gadsden’s current law-enforcement community could not confirm the existence of a mall ban on Moore. But two officers I spoke to this weekend, both of whom asked to remain unnamed, told me that they have long heard stories about Moore and the mall.
Fuck sake, Prowler.
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Yes, we all likely stepped over the line and groped atleast one girl. There are atleast 10 girls, that I can remember, that I've groped or had inappropriate behavior with (none of them were underage, they were all about the same age as me), but that still doesn't make it okay for someone that's running for a seat of power in the Senate.
The response to accusations is very telling to the type of person they are.
Take Franken's response and compare it to Moore's. One is apologetic eventhough they don't remember everything they're being accused of. The other is on the opposite end of the spectrum, attacking the accusers while trying to bring in his personal religous beliefs.
Yeah. When they have an actual picture to submit as evidence, it's tough to deny!
Your argument, as usual, is shit!
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Gadsden Mall and the YMCA
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall?mbid=social_twitter (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall?mbid=social_twitter)
Please provide facts, not some ambiguous "source".
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Y'all keep saying that. So the 16 year olds and 17 year olds? No big deal a guy my age trying "date" them? Really?
The fact that this happened a long time ago has been mentioned over and over and over as if it disproves anything.
I broke this down for you, but you fucking failed to pay attention. So caught up in your own misplaced indignation you didn't hear any of it.
All bullshit. All of it.
So what about this Franken picture? It was from, what, 20something years ago? But why are we just now hearing about it? Must be bullshit de-facto, right? But there's photographic evidence. How can that be? I thought if they didn't run to the news until years later it's automatically false?
Whatever the reason, it's absolute proof. I don't think it's worthy of outrage AND I think it's politically motivated.
There's nothing remotely close to proof in relation to Roy.
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Gawt Damn! Did you read anything I wrote? Did you try and comprehend anything I was saying before responding? Haysus, I'm beginning to see what K is saying about you.
1.) Let me hash it out for you. I said I am NOT defending Moore. I said that he or any public figure that gets accused of something WITHOUT any concrete evidence, will deny, deny, deny. This is an accusation 40 years after the fact with nothing to back it up. I don't care for Moore. But he, or any other public figure will deny the allegations without proof. THAT is what he is doing. Get it?
2.) I said that since Franken was nailed, dead to rights with photographic proof of said allegations, he has no recourse other than to toe the company line and form his apology in lock step with the Social Justice Warriors in order to try and save his career. THAT is what he is doing. Get it?
Probably not.
See, here is the thing Chizad. You were just beginning to make some headway with some people on here with your argument. I happen to know.
But then you let him come back and bitch slap you like this and don’t even retaliate. :facepalm:
Why do you take this if you have a sound argument? Now, I question if it’s sound.
Are you intimidated by Snags? Both physically and intellectually or just intellectually?
I guess I just expect better from someone who supposedly is in this for the right reasons.
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Gawt Damn! Did you read anything I wrote? Did you try and comprehend anything I was saying before responding? Haysus, I'm beginning to see what K is saying about you.
1.) Let me hash it out for you. I said I am NOT defending Moore. I said that he or any public figure that gets accused of something WITHOUT any concrete evidence, will deny, deny, deny. This is an accusation 40 years after the fact with nothing to back it up. I don't care for Moore. But he, or any other public figure will deny the allegations without proof. THAT is what he is doing. Get it?
2.) I said that since Franken was nailed, dead to rights with photographic proof of said allegations, he has no recourse other than to toe the company line and form his apology in lock step with the Social Justice Warriors in order to try and save his career. THAT is what he is doing. Get it?
Probably not.
I don't get the hostility here. I don't disagree with anything you said here at all, nor does it refute what I was saying in the post that sent you arage.
But yeah, I take issue with this:
But here we have one candidate, Moore, who is being accused by one woman, who said he felt up her 14 year old cooze through her panties, almost 40 years after it happened. The rest? See K's breakdown. I don't even see the issue with all the others. But as for the one claiming 14 year old cooze grope....no proof. Just her coming out 40 years later.
It wasn't one woman. We're currently sitting at 9. Among them aged 14 (Leigh Corfman), 16 (Beverly Nelson), 16 (Wendy Miller), 17 (Debbie Wesson Gibson), 17 (Kelly Thorp), 18 year old high school Senior (Gloria Deason), and 18 year old high school Senior (Gena Richardson). Becky Gray and Kayla McLaughlin were 22. They claim they were assaulted, but fine, throw them out if we're talking about his pedophilic predilection.
I'm sorry I won't take moral preening from anyone who thinks it's ok for someone my age to date, kiss, touch genitals, or anything else with ONE let alone at least seven, high school chicks. It just isn't normal or ok or nothing-to-see-here as you people keep insisting. It's gross.
Serious question, do you believe Cosby was guilty of anything nefarious? What's the magic number of credible, corroborated accounts of sexual misconduct you have to hit before you start to even consider the possibility that at least one of them might be telling the truth?
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is great. All for it. I don't want to see him locked up unless they can unequivocally prove something. It doesn't mean you have to elect the guy to represent you if you think there's a better-than-even chance he preyed on children.
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Good Chizzy. If he keeps it up, fatten that lip.
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Snowflakes now define assault as brushing against someone.
The only accusation that even comes close to being an issue is the 14 yr old. And there is still absolutely NO EVIDENCE.
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You do realize that in the Franken picture, he's not actually "feeling her up". You left something out of the Moore accusations, the fact that he was banned from the Gadsden Mall.
The real question is has he ever been banned from Wiregrass Commons cause that will really tell the tale.
Just ask Ogre.
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Snowflakes now define assault as brushing against someone.
The only accusation that even comes close to being an issue is the 14 yr old. And there is still absolutely NO EVIDENCE.
So you too are perfectly ok with with these (http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-all-nine-accusers-allegations-summaries-713744). Just go ahead and say out loud that you're ok with this from a man in his mid-thirties.
Leigh Corfman
In a Washington Post report, Corfman alleged that when she was 14 in 1979, Moore approached her while she was outside a courtroom with her mother. When her mother entered for a hearing, Moore stayed with her and asked for her phone number, then picked her up a few days later to take her to his home. She says he kissed her, and that during a second visit he took off his clothes and removed her shirt and pants, touching her and making her touch his crotch. Moore’s campaign says that these allegations are “garbage,†and “the very definition of fake news.â€
Debbie Wesson Gibson
Gibson told the Washington Post that she and Moore went on a few dates when she was 17. She said that Moore came to her high school civics class and asked her on a date, and that she and Moore kissed in his bedroom during their two or three months of dating. Moore says he doesn’t remember ever coming to a civics class or going on dates with Gibson.
Wendy Miller
In the same Washington Post story, Miller said Moore asked her on a date when she was 16 years old. She met Moore at age 14, while working as a Santa’s Helper at the local mall. Moore told her she looked pretty, then two years later asked her on a date in front of her mother. Miller said that she and Moore never went out, partly because her mother didn’t approve.
Gloria Thacker Deason
When Deason was an 18-year-old cheerleader, Moore took her on dates where they would drink wine and cocktails despite Deason being underage. Deason says they met at the local mall, where she worked at a department store. They dated for several months, going to his house at least twice but never physically going further than kissing. Moore told Fox News host Sean Hannity that the allegations couldn’t be true because the county was dry at the time, even though Etowah County approved alcohol sales 7 years before Deason alleges the dates.
Beverly Young Nelson
On Monday, Nelson read a statement at a press conference that claimed Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16 years old. She alleges he groped her breasts after offering to give her a ride home from the restaurant where she worked, then locked the car door and squeezed her neck in an attempt to force her to perform a sex act. Nelson says that after she struggled, he eventually gave up, threatening that nobody would believe her if she spoke of the incident. Moore called the accusations “absolutely false,†and said that he isn’t familiar with the restaurant that Nelson says he frequented. Nelson presented her high school yearbook, which includes a signature from Moore. Moore and his lawyer have claimed without evidence that the yearbook is fake.
Tina Johnson
Johnson came forward on Wednesday in a report on AL.com, where she says Moore groped her while working with her on a custody case in his law office. Johnson was 28 at the time, and reported feeling uncomfortable when Moore repeatedly commented on her looks during their meeting. She says that when she was leaving the office, Moore grabbed her buttocks.
Kelly Harrison Thorp
In the same AL.com piece, Thorp alleges that Moore asked her on a date while she was working at a local restaurant at age 17. When she asked if Moore knew how old she was, she says he replied, “Yeah. I go out with girls your age all the time.â€
Gena Richardson
A second Washington Post report published Wednesday detailed Richardson’s claims that Moore persistently pursued her when she was around 18 years old. Moore allegedly approached her at the mall where she worked and asked for her phone number and where she went to school. She declined to tell him, only to receive a call at school a few days later from Moore. When she eventually relented and went on a date with him, she says he gave her an unwanted, “forceful†kiss that left her scared.
Becky Gray
Gray was another mall employee who quickly learned that Moore’s frequent presence felt threatening to young female workers. She says Moore was a regular mall visitor on Friday and Saturday nights, and that his persistence in asking her on dates made her uncomfortable. She complained to a manager, who said it was not the first time someone had complained about Moore.
All that shit in bold. That's normal, God fearin' Christian values, right? That's what you're saying? Let's be clear here and say what we mean. Everyone saying you don't take issue with ANY of the allegations except from the 14 year old. Please tell me that you see nothing wrong with ALL of the other eight.
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This was fairly common for the times. I knew guys in their 30s that dated younger women in Pville back in the 70s and 80s. If we judge everyone for their actions back then on today's standards, your parents would probably be in trouble.
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So you too are perfectly ok with with these (http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-all-nine-accusers-allegations-summaries-713744). Just go ahead and say out loud that you're ok with this from a man in his mid-thirties.
All that shit in bold. That's normal, God fearin' Christian values, right? That's what you're saying? Let's be clear here and say what we mean. Everyone saying you don't take issue with ANY of the allegations except from the 14 year old. Please tell me that you see nothing wrong with ALL of the other eight.
Jesus god. Can you read? How many times do we have to say it. WE. DONT. BELIEVE. WHAT. THEY. ARE. SAYING.
These are 40-year old “I think I was...†remembrances.
It’s media-induced mass psychosis. We’ve seen it in action a thousand times before. The devil worshiping day care for one.
People’s memories are faulty and can be steered by the right type of questioning.
I believe THEY think what they are saying is possibly true. I don’t believe they are remembering events as they truly happened.
For fucks sake, dude. How many times have we seen people go “oh yeah, I had me a funny feeling about that dude....†only AFTER accusations come out.
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I don't get the hostility here. I don't disagree with anything you said here at all, nor does it refute what I was saying in the post that sent you arage.
It's not hostility or rage. Sorry if it came off that way. It's frustration because your argument continued to go completely around my point. I wasn't trying to justify anything Moore did or didn't do. Simply made the assertion that in most cases with a public figure (I'm amending to say "most cases") if you have accusations coming out with no physical evidence to back up your claim, said public figure is going to say "Nope, sorry but he/she is lying. Didn't happen". That's what's happening with Moore. That's what's happening with Stallone etc.
Franken is at the other end of the spectrum. Here are your hands on(or near) said titties made the subject of the complaint. In addition, here is your goofy ass grin, indicating happiness with the choice you made to grope the puppies without consent. He has no choice other than follow the SJW procedures manual and beg for anything resembling a career from this point forward.
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Jesus god. Can you read? How many times do we have to say it. WE. DONT. BELIEVE. WHAT. THEY. ARE. SAYING.
These are 40-year old “I think I was...†remembrances.
It’s media-induced mass psychosis. We’ve seen it in action a thousand times before. The devil worshiping day care for one.
People’s memories are faulty and can be steered by the right type of questioning.
I believe THEY think what they are saying is possibly true. I don’t believe they are remembering events as they truly happened.
For fucks sake, dude. How many times have we seen people go “oh yeah, I had me a funny feeling about that dude....†only AFTER accusations come out.
Oh, I get it now. You don’t believe it.
I thought you just supported pedophelia.
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It's not hostility or rage. Sorry if it came off that way. It's frustration because your argument continued to go completely around my point. I wasn't trying to justify anything Moore did or didn't do. Simply made the assertion that in most cases with a public figure (I'm amending to say "most cases") if you have accusations coming out with no physical evidence to back up your claim, said public figure is going to say "Nope, sorry but he/she is lying. Didn't happen". That's what's happening with Moore. That's what's happening with Stallone etc.
Franken is at the other end of the spectrum. Here are your hands on(or near) said titties made the subject of the complaint. In addition, here is your goofy ass grin, indicating happiness with the choice you made to grope the puppies without consent. He has no choice other than follow the SJW procedures manual and beg for anything resembling a career from this point forward.
Yes. I concur. I guess I have to say that explicitly.
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Yes. I concur. I guess I have to say that explicitly.
But you believe the accusers 100%.
That's the problem. You blindly accept their word without considering motivations or anything else.
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But you believe the accusers 100%.
That's the problem. You blindly accept their word without considering motivations or anything else.
I believe or disbelieve based on a ton of variables. Not blindly. Not 100% of all of them all of the time, as you're implying.
When you're approaching a baker's dozen women all with very similar stories that show the accused has a particular M.O. (high school girls), and the claims themselves are credible and believable, and their stories are backed up by even circumstantial evidence, while multiple of the accused's defenses are DISPROVEN, I tend to believe the victims.
inB4 "THER'S NO GOTDAM EVIDENCE YOU BRAYING IDIOT!"
1. Moore said "I don’t know Miss Corfman from anybody. I never talked to her. I’ve never had any contact with her." The accuser and her mother said he introduced himself by name outside of his office in the courthouse in February 1979. Legal documents prove they were in fact there, after they made that statement. Multiple friends also back up that she told them this at the time and recall them "dating" shortly after. An ex boyfriend also said she had told him when they were dating decades ago that she had "dated" Moore as a teenager.
BUT WHY COME OUT ALMOST 40 YEARS LATER??? The other side of that same coin is that in order to believe she is making it all up to sabotage his Senate campaign is she would have had to have prepared her attack way back then planting false memories in the heads of everyone who stated on record that they recalled him hanging around.
2. When Hannity asked him if he ever "dated anybody that was in their late teens like that when you were 32", Moore replied "It would have been out of my customary behavior." Seven accusers and counting, none of whom knew eachother, beg to fucking differ. Miller, the 16 year old whose mother did not allow the relationship and said quote: "Let's not rob the cradle." MULTIPLE firsthand and secondhand accounts on the record about him trolling for teen pussy at the Gadsden mall. For example "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls" and "We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall" from Teresa Jones. The whole goddamn town is lying about what was common knowledge, by your estimation. And note that those stories were from AL.com (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html), not the Post.
And he said himself "I don’t remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother". Is that not gross in and of itself? Is that not an outright admission that he dated girls young enough that they needed to get an ok from their parents first? Corroborates Miller's mom's story, since she had the sense to tell him to fuck off.
Moore himself said the CLAIMS from Deason and Gibson were "altogether appropriate (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/10/sean-hannity-interview-judge-roy-moore-over-sexual-misconduct-allegations)". Gibson was 17 when he asked her out and kissed her in his bedroom and Deason was 18 but still in high school when he took her out and boozed her up. Again, he was THIRTY-FOUR at the time. He doesn't deny this or even think the ALLEGATIONS describe anything inappropriate. Do you?
3. Corfman also said he boozed her up when she was under age. He told Hannity it wasn't possible because Gadsden was in a dry county that "never would have had liquor". False (http://www.gadsdentimes.com/opinion/20131028/our-view-let-both-sides-have-their-say-on-sunday-sales). The county legalized alcohol sales in 1972, seven years before these allegations, back when Corfman, presumably was even too young for Moore at seven years old. The post confirmed alcohol was for sale at the specific pizzaria at the time of the accusation.
4. We already discussed this, but the yearbook. He'd never heard of her or the restaurant, and yet he signed her yearbook, with notes about how sweet and beautiful she was ( :puke: ) and signed the name of the goddamn restaurant.
No, none of that proves beyond any reasonable doubt in a court of law that he's guilty. But it's a lot of fuckin' smoke. If these women's stories fell through like Moore's have repeatedly with countering evidence (dry county, didn't normally date teens, etc.), while Moore's stories were backed up like the victims' (the courthouse, the yearbook, etc.) you guys would be screaming til you were red in the face about how the circumstantial evidence was rock solid undeniable proof of innocence.
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You call any of that gawt dam garbage evidence? You braying idiot!
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I believe or disbelieve based on a ton of variables. Not blindly. Not 100% of all of them all of the time, as you're implying.
When you're approaching a baker's dozen women all with very similar stories that show the accused has a particular M.O. (high school girls), and the claims themselves are credible and believable, and their stories are backed up by even circumstantial evidence, while multiple of the accused's defenses are DISPROVEN, I tend to believe the victims.
inB4 "THER'S NO GOTDAM EVIDENCE YOU BRAYING IDIOT!"
1. Moore said "I don’t know Miss Corfman from anybody. I never talked to her. I’ve never had any contact with her." The accuser and her mother said he introduced himself by name outside of his office in the courthouse in February 1979. Legal documents prove they were in fact there, after they made that statement. Multiple friends also back up that she told them this at the time and recall them "dating" shortly after. An ex boyfriend also said she had told him when they were dating decades ago that she had "dated" Moore as a teenager.
All apocryphal.
You and I both have introduced ourselves to hundreds of people. Men, women, children, pets. So what? He was a public figure and even more likely than we are to speak to people.
There's no credible evidence they ever had any contact whatsoever other than people who "think they remember..."
So what if they were at the courthouse? Don't you think the Post concocted that and made sure they could create that tenuous string of circumstantial evidence?
I was at a Comicon with Katrina Law. I took photos with her. On some of them you can't see my hands. She wrote me a very sweet and extremely specific note telling me how awesome I was and how much she enjoyed meeting me.
She raped me. Can I please have a tearful press conference? Please?
BUT WHY COME OUT ALMOST 40 YEARS LATER??? The other side of that same coin is that in order to believe she is making it all up to sabotage his Senate campaign is she would have had to have prepared her attack way back then planting false memories in the heads of everyone who stated on record that they recalled him hanging around.
It's the fucking lemming effect, CZ. How can you not see this?
WaPo coerces (or financially encourages) one person to make up some shady shit and then starts calling people saying "We spoke with Bitchy McDrizzlehole and she said that in 1979, Roy Moore was a fixture around the Gadsden Mall where he made inappropriate advances toward teenage girls. Do you recall anything like that? "
2. When Hannity asked him if he ever "dated anybody that was in their late teens like that when you were 32", Moore replied "It would have been out of my customary behavior." Seven accusers and counting, none of whom knew eachother, beg to fucking differ. Miller, the 16 year old whose mother did not allow the relationship and said quote: "Let's not rob the cradle." MULTIPLE firsthand and secondhand accounts on the record about him trolling for teen pussy at the Gadsden mall. For example "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls" and "We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall" from Teresa Jones. The whole goddamn town is lying about what was common knowledge, by your estimation. And note that those stories were from AL.com (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html), not the Post.
Seven frauds.
Only one of which could be definitely considered under the age of 18. The rest "think" or "could have been..." None of them can say with absolute certainty they were under age. Only that they think they mass remember something.
"It was common knowledge..."? Yeah. Bullshit. Even the al.com reporters who are in full attack mode and tried their DAMNDEST to dig something up on Roy numerous times over the last decade admit in a moronic video statement that they never once heard any fucking thing of the sort.
And he said himself "I don’t remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother". Is that not gross in and of itself? Is that not an outright admission that he dated girls young enough that they needed to get an ok from their parents first? Corroborates Miller's mom's story, since she had the sense to tell him to fuck off.
You're a hysterical woman.
It was common practice in that day and time to ask permission before you asked a girl out. Especially for someone who was of his age/era and a war veteran. It was the honorable thing to do.
When I was 18 I had a thing for this girl who was 15 going on 16. Before I asked her out I went to her parents and told them I wanted to take her out. They asked me for specifics of when and where and then asked me if I would agree to have dinner at their house prior to the date so they could get to know me a little better. I did and her dad even checked my car out to make sure it was safe before he let me take her to the movies.
I know things were different for you, but fuck's sake, man, asking the mom was the genteel thing to do.
You can't prove he knew the girl was 16 prior to asking his mom. All you know is that when he found out, he didn't ask again.
Moore himself said the CLAIMS from Deason and Gibson were "altogether appropriate (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/10/sean-hannity-interview-judge-roy-moore-over-sexual-misconduct-allegations)". Gibson was 17 when he asked her out and kissed her in his bedroom and Deason was 18 but still in high school when he took her out and boozed her up. Again, he was THIRTY-FOUR at the time. He doesn't deny this or even think the ALLEGATIONS describe anything inappropriate. Do you?
A. I don't believe Debbie Gibson was 17. I don't believe she remembers shit or shinola accurately. She is damn near 60 and trying to remember one day out of hundreds. For all I know she's merging two or three different incidents with different guys and creating a memory composite.
B. I've told you this a hundred fucking times. I don't care. He was a war veteran in a small town with a very limited dating pool. A single, attractive guy considered a good catch in an era when it was just as important for a young southern girl to snag herself a successful man than it was for her to create her own career.
Would I date somebody that much younger than me? Fuck if I know. Maybe. I would now, for sure. Don't know that I would have at 34.
Still, you simply CANNOT apply today's lenses to something that happened 40 years ago. Less than 100 years ago it was common motherfucking practice for teenage girls to pursue and marry men in their 50s. It was an honorable thing, an expected thing.
What about Jerry Seinfield? When he was 39 he was dating a 17 year old. In public.
If the parents are okay with it, the girl is okay with it? It's not my place to judge. Or yours.
3. Corfman also said he boozed her up when she was under age. He told Hannity it wasn't possible because Gadsden was in a dry county that "never would have had liquor". False (http://www.gadsdentimes.com/opinion/20131028/our-view-let-both-sides-have-their-say-on-sunday-sales). The county legalized alcohol sales in 1972, seven years before these allegations, back when Corfman, presumably was even too young for Moore at seven years old. The post confirmed alcohol was for sale at the specific pizzaria at the time of the accusation.
Oh horseshit. Moore isn't much of a drinker and from what I've seen and heard never has been. She may have boozed it up at whatever place this is, but she didn't do it with Roy.
4. We already discussed this, but the yearbook. He'd never heard of her or the restaurant, and yet he signed her yearbook, with notes about how sweet and beautiful she was ( :puke: ) and signed the name of the goddamn restaurant.
Bullshit. Nonsense.
The name of the restaurant was OBVIOUSLY AND CLEARLY added after the fact and in a completely different handwriting. Even a child can see that.
You have to look no further than the 7's.
You should see what Katrina Law wrote on the autograph she gave me. Before she raped me.
No, none of that proves beyond any reasonable doubt in a court of law that he's guilty. But it's a lot of fuckin' smoke. If these women's stories fell through like Moore's have repeatedly with countering evidence (dry county, didn't normally date teens, etc.), while Moore's stories were backed up like the victims' (the courthouse, the yearbook, etc.) you guys would be screaming til you were red in the face about how the circumstantial evidence was rock solid undeniable proof of innocence.
Cam Newton says you can go fuck yourself.
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Is this true?
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Is this true?
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It's in a meme so it must be.
Spoiler, it's not. Thanks for bringing up yet another of Moore's defenses that fell flat that I forgot to mention.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/roy-moore-didnt-preside-over-accusers-divorce-case
The evidence Roy Moore’s lawyer offered Wednesday evening to attempt to discredit a sexual-misconduct accuser turns out to have not been correct. In addition to suggesting Moore’s signature in accuser Beverly Young Nelson’s 1977 yearbook was fraudulent, the Alabama Republican Senate nominee’s lawyers claimed Nelson had lied about never contacting Moore following an alleged rape attempt because Moore had presided over her 1999 divorce case. As it turns out, all of the initial proceedings were overseen by a different district judge, W.D. Russell, and the only connection to Moore was that his office rubber-stamped a document requesting a dismissal of the case. Moore never actually had contact with Nelson.
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You call any of that gawt dam garbage evidence? You braying idiot!
Chizad IS NOT braying.
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That is why I asked. I had not heard of that one.
But his office did preside over it without any incident, right?
You would think if she was that offended by his assault years ago, she would not have even trusted the court at all.
In other words, it was not an issue then?
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Chizad IS NOT braying.
I’m hearing braying.
And the same condescending shit where he phrases anticipated opposing viewpoints in fucked up grammar so as to reinforce his belief that anyone who does not see things exactly as he does is uneducated and inferior. It’s insulting.
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I’m hearing braying.
And the same condescending shit where he phrases anticipated opposing viewpoints in fucked up grammar so as to reinforce his belief that anyone who does not see things exactly as he does is uneducated and inferior. It’s insulting.
Well, notice that I didn’t disagree on the idiot part.
That was supposed to be a funny. I’m trying to be more cerebral with the humor, so Wes can participate. I even bought a thesaurus.
And don’t know if you’ve noticed but I rarely use fag, chittlin eater or nagger.
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I’m hearing braying.
And the same condescending shit where he phrases anticipated opposing viewpoints in fucked up grammar so as to reinforce his belief that anyone who does not see things exactly as he does is uneducated and inferior. It’s insulting.
It was a direct quote.
Gawt Damn! Did you read anything I wrote? Did you try and comprehend anything I was saying before responding? Haysus, I'm beginning to see what K is saying about you.
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It was a direct quote.
I’ve got something that you can direct quote.
#BoomBitch
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I try not to take the Lord's name in vain.
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I try not to take the Lord's name in vain.
You have never said "Nick damn it"?
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You have never said "Nick damn it"?
The hustle is skring in this one.
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You ridiculous mommy part.
I signed the yearbooks for some of the girls I used to teach back when I was 32. I told them they were amazing, beautiful, talented kids and destined for great things in life -- even though I knew they were none of those things. I told them it was a true joy teaching them and I was glad they had been in my class.
Holy shit.
EVAH-DENSE!!!!
Fucking ridiculous.
This Allredass led sniveling bitch found something nice the guy scrawled in her yearbook -- which need I remind you he didn't go and snatch from her so he could ejaculate his message into its pages, she obviously and clearly ASKED him to sign it -- and now this ragged old whore is claiming THAT as evidence of an attempted rape?
Get the fuck out. Kiss my ass on the way.
And for what it's worth? "Olde Hickory House" is written in all caps and in a different handwriting than everything else -- which is cursive.
So. Fuck you. Fuck her. Fuck all this noise.
Guess who else was in the same class as Beverly...Kayla Kisor (Kayla Moore), but Kayla doesn't have her yearbook signed by Roy Moore. Just a few years later, Moore saw Kayla at a dance recital and fell for her, but yet Moore is clean as a Houndstooth.
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Guess who else was in the same class as Beverly...Kayla Kisor (Kayla Moore), but Kayla doesn't have her yearbook signed by Roy Moore. Just a few years later, Moore saw Kayla at a dance recital and fell for her, but yet Moore is clean as a Houndstooth.
You are an idiot.
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You are an idiot.
Do you really think this was necessary?
No, I ask because I wonder if you know that most already realize this, so there is no need to mention.
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You are an idiot.
I see you're talking to the mirror again.
16 year old Kayla Kisor caught the eye of 30 year old Roy Moore at the dance recital. 7-8 years later they met and started their relationship. Like I said previously, this was around that same time '77.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html
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I see you're talking to the mirror again.
16 year old Kayla Kisor caught the eye of 30 year old Roy Moore at the dance recital. 7-8 years later they met and started their relationship. Like I said previously, this was around that same time '77.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html
And there is zero wrong with any of that.
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And there is zero wrong with any of that.
You cannot explain that to them. They hate him now like they hate Trump. Trump kicked their ass. Maybe if they can get More, they can get rid of the bad taste in their mouth!
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You cannot explain that to them. They hate him now like they hate Trump. Trump kicked their ass. Maybe if they can get More, they can get rid of the bad taste in their mouth!
More what?
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And there is zero wrong with any of that.
There's zero wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl?
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There's zero wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl?
Idiot.
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Idiot.
Explain yourself.
There's zero wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl?
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Explain yourself.
There's zero wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl?
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Explain yourself.
There's zero wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl?
Pretty sure he’s not in trouble for preying, you idiot.
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Explain yourself.
There's zero wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUL_3hdFSEE
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Pretty sure he’s not in trouble for preying, you idiot.
Here ya go, fucking idiot...
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5029172/roy-moore-accusers
Let it be known that Kaos doesn't see anything wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl.
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Here ya go, fucking idiot...
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5029172/roy-moore-accusers
Let it be known that Kaos doesn't see anything wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl.
You can’t get in trouble for preying, you idiot.
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Explain yourself.
There's zero wrong with a 30 year old man preying on a 16 year old girl?
Idiot
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https://youtu.be/GlN3oEjMpUQ
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https://youtu.be/FkmWe-nMBNE
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You can’t get in trouble for preying, you idiot.
That's how it begins, the trouble comes when the 30 year old acts on it, like in the Roy Moore case...I'm guessing you're in the same sick boat.
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That's how it begins, the trouble comes when the 30 year old acts on it, like in the Roy Moore case...I'm guessing you're in the same sick boat.
Idiot.
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"Roy Moore dated teen girls, when he got back from Vietnam, because of their purity." - Moore's Pastor friend Flip Benham
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That's how it begins, the trouble comes when the 30 year old acts on it, like in the Roy Moore case...I'm guessing you're in the same sick boat.
Nope. You can’t get into trouble for preying. Freedom of religion. 2nd Amendment.
You idiot.
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"Roy Moore dated teen girls, when he got back from Vietnam, because of their purity." - Moore's Pastor friend Flip Benham
Idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olQNes_mq8I
And before you post something else stupid,
Idiot again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWHjJt4833I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFVPxBpezk
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https://youtu.be/vkR7u_sOtHI
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I love this thread. I’m gonnd come back and fuck it in a couple of years.
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I love this thread. I’m gonnd come back and fuck it in a couple of years.
Will you sign my annual? Or have someone sign it for you?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzdK8yd45uA
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https://youtu.be/LSjAdh5-egs
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"Roy Moore dated teen girls, when he got back from Vietnam, because of their purity." - Moore's Pastor friend Flip Benham
I love Flip Wilson.
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I love Flip Wilson.
“Here come da Judgeâ€
— heard at Gadsden Chuckie Cheese
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“Here come da Judgeâ€
— heard at Gadsden Chuckie Cheese
Weren't you ban from mall?
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Don't you CAAWLL me no LAR!!
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_leigh_corfman_accuse.html#incart_big-photo
Foggy fake memory woman upset that the spotlight has faded sends an open letter to al.com. I do not believe her AT ALL.
The first line of her stupid letter:
When the Washington Post approached me about what you did to me as a child,
Yeah. The Washington Post just started randomly dialing people in Gadsden asking "Do you know anything we can use to smear Roy?"
Seriously. How did the Post "approach" her?
I've come to loathe everything about al.com. It's liberally bent, out of touch with the state (and country) continually promotes an agenda with which I do not agree and on top of that blows Saban daily.
If I were a kamillionaire, I'd start a competing outlet.
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Don't you CAAWLL me no LAR!!
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_leigh_corfman_accuse.html#incart_big-photo
Foggy fake memory woman upset that the spotlight has faded sends an open letter to al.com. I do not believe her AT ALL.
The first line of her stupid letter:
When the Washington Post approached me about what you did to me as a child,
Yeah. The Washington Post just started randomly dialing people in Gadsden asking "Do you know anything we can use to smear Roy?"
Seriously. How did the Post "approach" her?
I've come to loathe everything about al.com. It's liberally bent, out of touch with the state (and country) continually promotes an agenda with which I do not agree and on top of that blows Saban daily.
If I were a kamillionaire, I'd start a competing outlet.
According to the writer from the post, they were here to do an article on the good Christian people of Alabama voting for Roy for no other reason than he says Jesus. It was absolutely going to be a swipe at the voting base in Alabama although she claims it wasn't meant to be a smear article. The other fell in her lap when she started talking to the good church folk about how honorable of a man Roy is.
14 days until I get to see him ride to the poll on his horse. I'm so excited.
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According to the writer from the post, they were here to do an article on the good Christian people of Alabama voting for Roy for no other reason than he says Jesus. It was absolutely going to be a swipe at the voting base in Alabama although she claims it wasn't meant to be a smear article. The other fell in her lap when she started talking to the good church folk about how honorable of a man Roy is.
14 days until I get to see him ride to the poll on his horse. I'm so excited.
Not involved with polling machines in this campaign, so not sure Roy wins.
But if he gets friendly with vladimir he will.
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According to the writer from the post, they were here to do an article on the good Christian people of Alabama voting for Roy for no other reason than he says Jesus. It was absolutely going to be a swipe at the voting base in Alabama although she claims it wasn't meant to be a smear article. The other fell in her lap when she started talking to the good church folk about how honorable of a man Roy is.
14 days until I get to see him ride to the poll on his horse. I'm so excited.
I know it's personal. And I get that.
Given how hard the Post has railed against Trump, though? I'm not buying their story. Don't trust anything they say.
He's not my choice, but there's no way in hell I can vote for Doug Jones.
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I know it's personal. And I get that.
Given how hard the Post has railed against Trump, though? I'm not buying their story. Don't trust anything they say.
He's not my choice, but there's no way in hell I can vote for Doug Jones.
I don’t trust the post either, they were absolutely here to make all Alabama GOP voters out to be bible thumping knuckle dragging cult followers who were going to vote for Moore just because Jesus.
Doug Jones is possibly worse. I’m fucking floored by what we have to choose from.
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I don’t trust the post either, they were absolutely here to make all Alabama GOP voters out to be bible thumping knuckle dragging cult followers who were going to vote for Moore just because Jesus.
Doug Jones is possibly worse. I’m fucking floored by what we have to choose from.
Yeah. It's a damned shame.
But think about it. You're a decent guy from what I can tell. Would you open up your entire life history to the kind of bullshit that goes on in politics today? Would you be willing to run for office, any office, knowing that all it takes is one person to make some public accusation to drag you through the mud?
I know for sure I wouldn't.
Oddly enough, all I ever really wanted to do while I was growing up was go to law school, work up to a judge's post and then run for governor. There's no way in hell now I'd even consider it.
I can't remember all the girls I pursued when I was in my 20s. Most of my memories of that time are fuzzy. Anybody could say anything and I couldn't necessarily deny it. Which is why the stuff with Roy just doesn't move the needle for me. Nobody's memory is that sharp after 40 years. Time has a way of skewing things and turning memories inside out. I used to babysit for people when I was 17-21/22. I was good with the kids and even better with the moms. How many did I pound? Two that I think I remember for sure, but it could have been three. I kinda sorta remember one of their names. And that wasn't 40 years ago.
There's not a soul who posts on this board who could withstand the public scrutiny that is now part of a run for office.
The way things are now, there's nobody decent who'd be willing to run. And if there WAS somebody who could pass the "have you ever done or said anything..." test? I damn sure wouldn't want them in charge of anything. I'd vote for any of you here because talking shit, liking boobs, etc. is the reality.
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Yeah. It's a damned shame.
But think about it. You're a decent guy from what I can tell. Would you open up your entire life history to the kind of bullshit that goes on in politics today? Would you be willing to run for office, any office, knowing that all it takes is one person to make some public accusation to drag you through the mud?
I know for sure I wouldn't.
Oddly enough, all I ever really wanted to do while I was growing up was go to law school, work up to a judge's post and then run for governor. There's no way in hell now I'd even consider it.
I can't remember all the girls I pursued when I was in my 20s. Most of my memories of that time are fuzzy. Anybody could say anything and I couldn't necessarily deny it. Which is why the stuff with Roy just doesn't move the needle for me. Nobody's memory is that sharp after 40 years. Time has a way of skewing things and turning memories inside out. I used to babysit for people when I was 17-21/22. I was good with the kids and even better with the moms. How many did I pound? Two that I think I remember for sure, but it could have been three. I kinda sorta remember one of their names. And that wasn't 40 years ago.
There's not a soul who posts on this board who could withstand the public scrutiny that is now part of a run for office.
The way things are now, there's nobody decent who'd be willing to run. And if there WAS somebody who could pass the "have you ever done or said anything..." test? I damn sure wouldn't want them in charge of anything. I'd vote for any of you here because talking shit, liking boobs, etc. is the reality.
Just being a member of this website would disqualify most of us. Politics are incredibly dirty, there is no way in hell I’d run for public office. Hell I deleted most of the shit I posted here for fear of exactly how much shit was very close to hitting the fan.
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Just being a member of this website would disqualify most of us. Politics are incredibly dirty, there is no way in hell I’d run for public office. Hell I deleted most of the shit I posted here for fear of exactly how much shit was very close to hitting the fan.
You could have posted it. Then denied that you ever did.
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You could have posted it. Then denied that you ever did.
Someone hacked my computer.
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I have never liked Roy Moore; I despise him actually. But two things stand out to me on this whole thing:
1. It seems weird to me that most girls who "dated" Roy for a period of time say that all they did was kiss in his bedroom. Nothing more after months of "dating". Yet, we are supposed to believe he stuck his fingers down a 14 year old girl's panties?
2. It seems crazy to me that this story was dropped AFTER the primary. I don't know, but it's almost like the media held on to this to destroy Moore AFTER the primary to ensure a democrat got into the Senate seat. To me, THAT is the definition of collusion.
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I have never liked Roy Moore; I despise him actually. But two things stand out to me on this whole thing:
1. It seems weird to me that most girls who "dated" Roy for a period of time say that all they did was kiss in his bedroom. Nothing more after months of "dating". Yet, we are supposed to believe he stuck his fingers down a 14 year old girl's panties?
2. It seems crazy to me that this story was dropped AFTER the primary. I don't know, but it's almost like the media held on to this to destroy Moore AFTER the primary to ensure a democrat got into the Senate seat. To me, THAT is the definition of collusion.
Somebody gets it.
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Wait...you're saying Roy Moore is looking for a Russian bride?
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Wait...you're saying Roy Moore is looking for a Russian bride?
No, they are too old for his taste. :jaw:
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I have never liked Roy Moore; I despise him actually. But two things stand out to me on this whole thing:
1. It seems weird to me that most girls who "dated" Roy for a period of time say that all they did was kiss in his bedroom. Nothing more after months of "dating". Yet, we are supposed to believe he stuck his fingers down a 14 year old girl's panties?
2. It seems crazy to me that this story was dropped AFTER the primary. I don't know, but it's almost like the media held on to this to destroy Moore AFTER the primary to ensure a democrat got into the Senate seat. To me, THAT is the definition of collusion.
Ive since deleted but I actually said that earlier in this thread. They had the story and sat on it because they knew Luther could easily beat Doug Jones. They banked on what Alabama voters would do and it paid off for them.
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http://www.al.com/birmingham/
This is just weird. Bikes are too new and foreign to be real bikers.
And outfits look shiny. Even Chizzy and Wes have leather biker pants. They are assless but still.
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I've seen enough.
Enough of the Doug Jones smear ads. Enough of the Roy Moore responses and denials.
Enough of the women who have cards or annuals Moore signed. Who gives a fuck?
Enough of the robo calls asking me who I'm going to support.
Enough of the Washington Post acting as a political activist and not as a news organization.
Enough of the extended attack on our president.
Be glad when this election is over. Be happier if all the liberals would move to California, Oregon and Washington. Then we could just extend the wall up from Mexico and starve them all out.
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I've seen enough.
Enough of the Doug Jones smear ads. Enough of the Roy Moore responses and denials.
Enough of the women who have cards or annuals Moore signed. Who gives a fuck?
Enough of the robo calls asking me who I'm going to support.
Enough of the Washington Post acting as a political activist and not as a news organization.
Enough of the extended attack on our president.
Be glad when this election is over. Be happier if all the liberals would move to California, Oregon and Washington. Then we could just extend the wall up from Mexico and starve them all out.
Why do you hate Nook?
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Why do you hate Nook?
It is my understand that only two things come out of Oregon.
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After watching Doug Jones' commercial for the 876th time this week, I finally realized who he reminds me of.
(http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/doug-jones.jpg) (http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/20140723_034849_QSIMP9.jpg)
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Vote almost here.
Even if you think Roy might have dated outside his age range (the ‘14 year old’ simply isn’t credible whatsoever) how can you not be outraged at the collusion between the DNC and the WP to hijack a Senate seat?
If you are a “Republican voting for Doug Jones†then go fuck yourself.
If you don’t want the dems to steal this senate seat, vote for Roy. He can be replaced.
Think about it.
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Vote almost here.
Even if you think Roy might have dated outside his age range (the ‘14 year old’ simply isn’t credible whatsoever) how can you not be outraged at the collusion between the DNC and the WP to hijack a Senate seat?
If you are a “Republican voting for Doug Jones†then go fuck yourself.
If you don’t want the dems to steal this senate seat, vote for Roy. He can be replaced.
Think about it.
Soooooo....you don't like Jeff Flake?
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Soooooo....you don't like Jeff Flake?
Fluck Fake.
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Fluck Fake.
Country Over Party bro.
And apparently his nuts not on his body.
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http://BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – A racially charged campaign flyer sent to black residents in Alabama’s Senate race is provoking a social media backlash for Democratic nominee Doug Jones, who is scrambling to mobilize black voters against Republican Roy Moore ahead of Tuesday’s election.
The flyer, which has been circulating on social media and reportedly came from the Jones campaign, shows a young black man with a skeptical look on his face.
“Think if a black man went after high school girls anyone would try to make him a senator?†it reads.
Multiple people who received it have posted photos of the flyer on Twitter, with some condemning it as out of touch and insensitive.
not sure if that'll help with any votes.
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not sure if that'll help with any votes.
Ahhh right out of the Clinton Obama playbook. This is who Doug Jones is folks. A radical leftist asshat.
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Ahhh right out of the Clinton Obama playbook. This is who Doug Jones is folks. A radical leftist asshat.
I just giggle when I see all this. They are using the same losing playbook and expecting different results.
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not sure if that'll help with any votes.
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
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The writing was different.
Anybody want to question my superiority?
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The writing was different.
Anybody want to question my superiority?
Wait. You mean she forged it? No way. That never happens. And no one questioned it at all. Say it ain't so. And you mean, she used it as her own to try and take a man down? She lied? Can I get a witness.
That stupid bitch!
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I just giggle when I see all this. They are using the same losing playbook and expecting different results.
Actually, it’s working pretty well according to the polls and all of the republicans denouncing Roy.
Even Trump Is careful to not lend too much support.
Unfortunately, all it needs to be is a baseless allegation.
Unlike the concrete evidence in the Chizad homosexuality.
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Wait. You mean she forged it? No way. That never happens. And no one questioned it at all. Say it ain't so. And you mean, she used it as her own to try and take a man down? She lied? Can I get a witness.
That stupid bitch!
She annotated it.
She didn't forge the signature.
From the Fox article that previously used the word "forge".
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html
An update to this story reflects that Beverly Young Nelson admits writing what ABC News characterized as “notes†beneath what she says is Roy Moore’s signature, and that the only notes below the signature are the date and location. Furthermore, the headline on story now specifies that Nelson admits to writing part of the inscription herself, rather than forging part of it.
That being said, I can certainly see how tampering with it at all torpedoes her credibility.
Would matter a lot more to me if Moore hadn't already torpedoed his on the same topic by saying the Washington Post paid people off and that the restaurant never existed.
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She annotated it.
She didn't forge the signature.
From the Fox article that previously used the word "forge".
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html
That being said, I can certainly how tampering with it at all torpedoes her credibility.
Would matter a lot more to me if Moore hadn't already torpedoed his on the same topic by saying the Washington Post paid people off and that the restaurant never existed.
Nah I get the forge part. Fair enough.
But she lied. In her initial press conference she attributed that part to him. That's a fraudulent claim at best. And they stood by it even though the moore camp vehemently denied writing that part. At the end of the day, Roy was right here. And her credibility has went into the toliet.
Think about it. She sat up and knowingly lied about something he didn't write. That's big.
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Nah I get the forge part. Fair enough.
But she lied. In her initial press conference she attributed that part to him. That's a fraudulent claim at best. And they stood by it even though the moore camp vehemently denied writing that part. At the end of the day, Roy was right here. And her credibility has went into the toliet.
Think about it. She sat up and knowingly lied about something he didn't write. That's big.
I didn't see the video, but my understanding is Gloria Allred, who is representing her, is the one that attributed that part to Moore. Gloria Allred is awful, to be sure.
I don't recall Moore denying "that part", I recall him denying signing the yearbook, ever hearing of a Beverly Young, and that the restaurant's mere existence was #FakeNews.
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She annotated it.
She didn't forge the signature.
From the Fox article that previously used the word "forge".
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html
That being said, I can certainly see how tampering with it at all torpedoes her credibility.
Would matter a lot more to me if Moore hadn't already torpedoed his on the same topic by saying the Washington Post paid people off and that the restaurant never existed.
People were paid.
I know this for almost 100% certainty. Can’t say how I know. But I do. It wasn’t quid pro “here’s a check†and you won’t be able to find hard evidence. — now. Indirect benefits.
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I didn't see the video, but my understanding is Gloria Allred, who is representing her, is the one that attributed that part to Moore. Gloria Allred is awful, to be sure.
I don't recall Moore denying "that part", I recall him denying signing the yearbook, ever hearing of a Beverly Young, and that the restaurant's mere existence was #FakeNews.
They wanted the yearbook to get a handwriting analyst to show the difference in the 1977 moore wrote and the 12-22-1977 that he claimed he didn't write. I think K mentioned it somewhere in this thread too but I'm too lazy to go back and find it.
I saw a video earlier on CNN where Nelson read the whole inscription aloud. So either way, she and Allred both sat up there and attributed the whole thing to him. And sat on that claim for about a month. It's just a bad look.
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People were paid.
I know this for almost 100% certainty. Can’t say how I know. But I do. It wasn’t quid pro “here’s a check†and you won’t be able to find hard evidence. — now. Indirect benefits.
Ok, James O'Keefe.
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Ok, James O'Keefe.
He has skreetz
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Ok, James O'Keefe.
I don’t know who that is. And I don’t know Roy Moore. But I have some insight into this.
Believe what you will.
The Post is “clean†because they didn’t pay or directly arrange the payments. They can deny. The ‘accuser’ can claim to be clean because she didn’t take cash in hand.
But it’s all manufactured.
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I don’t know who James is either. But I’m here to say that I fully believe that Chizad is a knob jockey.
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I don’t know who James is either. But I’m here to say that I fully believe that Chizad is a knob jockey.
moveon.org
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moveon.org
Dilly, dilly!
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Dilly, dilly!
I call the dilly around here. I was first to call the dilly, so it is my expression.
I do not want to have you sent to the pit of misery but I will. If I must.
Dilly Dilly!
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Choice between pedophiles and fudge packers. You American strange people.
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We should start a public relations/marketing firm.
Both Dumb Jones and Roy Moore are spending babillions on campaign ads in advance of tomorrow's vote. All of their ads are incredibly bad, but somebody is getting paid to create these things.
Roy's latest ... the one where he turns and leers into the camera with his yellow teeth going "Ah kain't wait" -- is particularly creepy. Whoever approved that awful thing should be ashamed.
All of Dumb's are terrible too. "Aye have guns! I'm almost a republican!"
We could definitely create better ads for these guys than these abominations.
Please, please let this be over.
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Can someone...anyone please tell me what it means to be a ______ of faith? I keep hearing that term thrown around a lot. Faith that I can spend other people's money with no repercussion?
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Can someone...anyone please tell me what it means to be a ______ of faith? I keep hearing that term thrown around a lot. Faith that I can spend other people's money with no repercussion?
Translations.
Roy Moore: I go to church every time the door is open to see and be seen. I invoke God on a regular basis, largely because I am eaten up with guilt and self-loathing.
Doug Jones: I drove by a church once.
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Can someone...anyone please tell me what it means to be a ______ of faith? I keep hearing that term thrown around a lot. Faith that I can spend other people's money with no repercussion?
Those of us with higher moral standards, don’t have to think about it. But I can see how it would be foreign to you.
Hang in there.
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Look, WT. I am a man of faith, so your words can't hurt me.
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Look, WT. I am a man of faith, so your words can't hurt me.
How many guns do you have?
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What did Wes and Chizzy decide to wear for the protests tomorrow?
Not that it matters to me but I agree that the assless leather motorcycle britches really pop. They are nauseating. But they pop.
Goooooooooo Roy! Whoot. Bitches.
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How many guns do you have?
Not enough to start a faith war
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Not enough to start a faith war
You don’t need guns for that. Just some smiting.
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I'm going to vote today. I'm going to be sick while doing it.
I think Roy and his wife are hillbilly and trashy. She's dumber than a bag of pickles. Even ignoring the allegations, he's creepy as hell. If I had any other legitimate choice at all I wouldn't vote for Roy.
I don't.
I absolutely cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who is going to tip the scales further against a president who is advancing an agenda with which I agree almost completely. All the things he stands for -- securing the borders, deporting those here illegally, repealing Obamacare, instituting tax reform -- are being blocked by a tantrum-throwing democratic party and a complicit national media.
We must do better. We can't give the moron Pelosi's and despicable Schumer's of the world any additional advantage.
As much as I dislike Roy, Doug Jones would be worse.
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I'm going to vote today. I'm going to be sick while doing it.
I think Roy and his wife are hillbilly and trashy. She's dumber than a bag of pickles. Even ignoring the allegations, he's creepy as hell. If I had any other legitimate choice at all I wouldn't vote for Roy.
I don't.
I absolutely cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who is going to tip the scales further against a president who is advancing an agenda with which I agree almost completely. All the things he stands for -- securing the borders, deporting those here illegally, repealing Obamacare, instituting tax reform -- are being blocked by a tantrum-throwing democratic party and a complicit national media.
We must do better. We can't give the moron Pelosi's and despicable Schumer's of the world any additional advantage.
As much as I dislike Roy, Doug Jones would be worse.
I guess you want for coloreds or the gays to just take over.
Keep think like this. Before we know they can vote.
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I'm going to vote today. I'm going to be sick while doing it.
I think Roy and his wife are hillbilly and trashy. She's dumber than a bag of pickles. Even ignoring the allegations, he's creepy as hell. If I had any other legitimate choice at all I wouldn't vote for Roy.
I don't.
I absolutely cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who is going to tip the scales further against a president who is advancing an agenda with which I agree almost completely. All the things he stands for -- securing the borders, deporting those here illegally, repealing Obamacare, instituting tax reform -- are being blocked by a tantrum-throwing democratic party and a complicit national media.
We must do better. We can't give the moron Pelosi's and despicable Schumer's of the world any additional advantage.
As much as I dislike Roy, Doug Jones would be worse.
My guess is that IF he wins - the GOP and even some Dems will make his life hell. They will investigate him and he will resign under the pressure from his own party. Kay Ivey will appoint strange or someone similar that will vote in lockstep with Trump. The GOP will be happy and the left will be more ok with it than they would have been with moore.
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My guess is that IF he wins - the GOP and even some Dems will make his life hell. They will investigate him and he will resign under the pressure from his own party. Kay Ivey will appoint strange or someone similar that will vote in lockstep with Trump. The GOP will be happy and the left will be more ok with it than they would have been with moore.
I can't wait
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/08/Roy-Moore-Dave-MartinAP-640x480.jpg)
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My guess is that IF he wins - the GOP and even some Dems will make his life hell. They will investigate him and he will resign under the pressure from his own party. Kay Ivey will appoint strange or someone similar that will vote in lockstep with Trump. The GOP will be happy and the left will be more ok with it than they would have been with moore.
It's only for a year anyway. We get to live through this bullcrap all next year in a general election. :suicide:
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My guess is that IF he wins - the GOP and even some Dems will make his life hell. They will investigate him and he will resign under the pressure from his own party. Kay Ivey will appoint strange or someone similar that will vote in lockstep with Trump. The GOP will be happy and the left will be more ok with it than they would have been with moore.
This has really gotten away from us.
Franken sacrificed himself on the altar of "things that happened years ago that don't matter any more" in an orchestrated effort to get Trump mired in another 'scandal' and force him to resign as well.
Roy is a part of that. Gin up the scandal, truth be double dog damned and let's bring the whole thing down.
I said when Trump was elected that the Republicans and Democrats would jointly work to have him removed because he is so unlike the political ruling class, so determined to see his vision through, so results-driven that they collectively could not stand it. And they can't.
The things Trump wants? They're the right things based on the right processes. They're not based on corruption or base self-interests. At the core, his ideas are founded on a few pretty simple concepts:
1) Protect American jobs
2) Protect American borders
3) Promote self-reliance and the American work ethic (the one that used to make us great).
It should alarm you that so many in the political ruling class oppose these America first initiatives -- particularly those democrats who have made their careers hoodwinking the poor and promising things that can't be delivered in the short-term or sustained in the long run.
There can't be free cheese unless somebody makes it, Prowler. You should read Animal Farm.
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This has really gotten away from us.
Franken sacrificed himself on the altar of "things that happened years ago that don't matter any more" in an orchestrated effort to get Trump mired in another 'scandal' and force him to resign as well.
Roy is a part of that. Gin up the scandal, truth be double dog damned and let's bring the whole thing down.
I said when Trump was elected that the Republicans and Democrats would jointly work to have him removed because he is so unlike the political ruling class, so determined to see his vision through, so results-driven that they collectively could not stand it. And they can't.
The things Trump wants? They're the right things based on the right processes. They're not based on corruption or base self-interests. At the core, his ideas are founded on a few pretty simple concepts:
1) Protect American jobs
2) Protect American borders
3) Promote self-reliance and the American work ethic (the one that used to make us great).
It should alarm you that so many in the political ruling class oppose these America first initiatives -- particularly those democrats who have made their careers hoodwinking the poor and promising things that can't be delivered in the short-term or sustained in the long run.
There can't be free cheese unless somebody makes it, Prowler. You should read Animal Farm.
All BS aside, the best candidates for almost any office won't run. And, even if they did, they often can't get elected.
It's way more about knowing how to get elected than how to legislate, govern or manage. It's a 24/7 PR campaign. Not working at representing the people.
It's just the way that it is. We have more consumers than producers in this country.
If you don't like it, then move to Daphne.
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At the polling place...there are so many greyhound buses.
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At the polling place...there are so many greyhound buses.
Protesters are probably getting ready.
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At the polling place...there are so many greyhound buses.
There's a reason they put the polling location next to the Greyhound station in Birmingham.
Some come by bus and others by horse.
http://abc3340.com/news/offbeat/roy-moore-arrives-at-alabama-polling-place-on-horseback (http://abc3340.com/news/offbeat/roy-moore-arrives-at-alabama-polling-place-on-horseback)
I mean, how can you vote against a guy that goes to vote bareback?
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Moore wasn't wearing a shirt?
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There's a reason they put the polling location next to the Greyhound station in Birmingham.
Some come by bus and others by horse.
http://abc3340.com/news/offbeat/roy-moore-arrives-at-alabama-polling-place-on-horseback (http://abc3340.com/news/offbeat/roy-moore-arrives-at-alabama-polling-place-on-horseback)
I mean, how can you vote against a guy that goes to vote bareback?
I’m a lesser of two evils voter, again.
But seeing this is making me more of a Moore fan. This is the coolest shit I’ve seen in a while.
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I will be disappointed in a Moore loss. But, I am expecting it for some reason. I wouldn’t doubt one bit if it were already decided by the powers that be. Meaning the feds.
Disappointed because I really didn’t know how easy it still is to ruin a man’s character and steal an election. But it’s easy. You can get them to stand in line with 40 year old allegations and smack a 22 point lead down to nothing. Over only allegations. That is all. Can’t be proven but sure can’t be disproven. So, it was very effective.
When you are fighting the establishment on both sides, it’s almost impossible.
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This will change zero minds, and I'm sure everyone already voted anyway, but this was tweeted by Brit Hume from Alabama conservative journalist Quinn Hillyer.
http://yellowhammernews.com/featured/quin-hillyer-moores-words-prove-falsehood/
Quin Hillyer: Roy Moore’s own words prove his falsehood
WRITTEN BY QUIN HILLYER ON DECEMBER 6, 2017 AT 6:00 AM CST
Even if we don’t know for certain whether Roy Moore had sexual contact (of a sort) with 14-year-old Leigh Corfman, we now know that Moore has made a conscious decision to lie about his onetime relationships with teenage girls.
We know this from a combination of his own words and of new evidence that would be accepted as probative in any American court of law. (More on the evidence, shortly.)
The odd thing is that Moore’s initial reaction was to tell at least a simulacrum of the truth, only later to change to a flat-out lie. Often, a liar works in the other direction, at first denying everything and then admitting little dribs and drabs as new evidence warrants. Who knows: Maybe this strange evolution from partial truth to full prevarication gives an indication that, somehow, Moore’s conscience is warring with itself.
Either way, his willingness to move to full-fledged dishonesty helps undermine his onetime semi-believable denials of the worst of the charges against him. One fib does not prove that his other statements are lies, of course, but it does establish that he is not entirely trustworthy.
Here is the obvious lie (the part before the “andâ€), repeated twice in recent days, from church pulpits: “Let me state once again: I do not know any of these women, did not date any of these women and have not engaged in any sexual misconduct with anyone.â€
If he said it just once, it could be attributable to a mere lack of clarity: Maybe he meant he did not know the women he had not already admitted to knowing. But when he said it twice, and insisted he neither knew nor dated “any†of them, he was committing a bald-faced lie.
How do we know?
We know, first, because he himself told us so.
Here was Roy Moore talking to Fox’s Sean Hannity a few days after the disturbing allegations came out [emphases added]: “I do recognize however the names of two these young ladies, Debbie Wesson and Gloria Thacker, which they have a maiden, that’s their maiden name…. I seem to know or remember knowing [Wesson’s] parents…that they were friends. I can’t recall the specific dates because that’s been 40 years but I remember her as a good girl.â€
Then:
HANNITY: But do you remember ever going on a date with her? She said that you asked around out on the first of several dates but nothing progressed beyond kissing.
MOORE: I don’t remember specific dates. I do not and I don’t remember if it was that time or later. But I do not remember that.
HANNITY: But you know hard but you never dated her ever? Is that what you’re saying?
MOORE: No but I don’t remember going out on dates. I knew her as a friend. If we did go on dates then we did. But I do not remember that.
HANNITY: What about Gloria Thacker Deason says she was an 18 year old cheerleader when you began taking her on dates that included bottles bottles rosé wine. She’s 18 at the time. The Alabama drinking age at the time is 19. Did that ever happen?
MOORE: No. Because in this county is a dry county. We would never would have had liquor. I would never… I believe this she said that she believed she was under age and as I recall she was 19 or older and that just never happened. I never provided alcohol, beer or intoxicating liquor to a minor. That’d be against the law and against anything I would have ever done. And I seem to remember her as a good girl or I seem to remember I had some sort of knowledge of her parents, her mother in particular.
HANNITY: At that time in your life…Let me ask you this you do remember these girls would it be unusual for you as a 32 year old guy to have dated a woman as young as 17? That would be a 15 year difference or a girl 18. Do you remember dating girls that young at that time?
MOORE: Not generally, no. If did, you know, I’m not going to dispute anything but I don’t remember anything like that.
HANNITY: But you don’t specifically remember having any girlfriend that was in her late teens even at that time?
MOORE: I don’t remember that and I don’t remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother. And I think in her statement she said that her mother actually encouraged her to go out with me.
So Moore remembers them both as good girls, remembers the parents of both, recalls that one was 19 or older (she says she was 18), knew one of them “as a friend,†and can’t deny having actually dated them (but said there was no sexual activity).
Yet now, just weeks later, he insists he neither knew nor dated “any†of these women, not even the ones whose parents’ permission for dating he acknowledged requesting (and whose surviving parents confirm that he asked).
This isn’t splitting hairs. This is an unequivocal contradiction not only of the stories of multiple young women, but of his own earlier account.
And now one of those women, Debbie Wesson Gibson, has produced absolutely compelling evidence that she and Moore were indeed friendly. A scrapbook from her high school days, easily verifiable as dating from then and as having not been altered, contains references to her having gone on dates with Moore and features a note he wrote her congratulating her for graduating high school.
This personal scrapbook is far more compelling than the somewhat dubious, single-entry note allegedly written by Moore in another girl’s yearbook (although a hand-writing expert confirms what untrained eyes also see, which is that the bulk of the yearbook message is written in a hand remarkably similar to the writing featured in the note to Wesson/Gibson). A court of law would accept the scrapbook as evidence of some sort of friendly association between Moore and Wesson.
But now Moore says he not only never went on a date with her (she had described him fondly as playing the guitar and reading poetry for her), but never even knew her.
It would have been so easy to say what he started to say to Hannity: Yes, he did on some occasions date older teenage girls, with their parents’ knowledge, and he acted like a gentleman and never did anything inappropriate with them. He could distinguish those instances from the worse allegations against him, and trust the public to adjudge the stories and his believability for themselves.
Instead, he is falsely denying even the most innocent of all the “accusations†against him. He is lying after having had weeks to think about it. He is not miss-speaking out of the haze of memory newly jarred, but rather putting forth a falsehood with deliberate intent.
These new untruths are counterproductive. They hurt, not help, his case that he didn’t bring to his house, partially disrobe, and fondle then-14-year-old Leigh Corfman. By usual standards, remember, Corfman’s claims are at least credible. Her mother confirms their meeting of Moore at the courthouse. Court records confirm the mother and daughter were there at the time. The mother confirms that their home phone cord was long enough to stretch into Leigh’s room and that Leigh took private calls there. Public records (despite Moore’s team’s claims to the contrary) confirm they lived where they said they did.
And, to quote the original summation by the Washington Post, “Two of Corfman’s childhood friends say she told them at the time that she was seeing an older man, and one says Corfman identified the man as Moore. Wells says her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, as Moore was becoming more prominent as a local judge.†One of those two friends actually recalled specific details of the second Moore encounter that Corfman told her, which match Corfman’s current account.
Meanwhile, other contemporaneous witnesses support several of the other (non-Corfman) stories, including one mother who quite explicitly says Moore asked permission to date her daughter when the daughter was just 16 (the mother refused).
Instead of asserting a sort of gray area among different types of interactions with teens of various ages, Roy Moore is now insisting against all evidence and common sense that all of it, every bit, is a false smear born of a grand conspiracy.
This column has gone to great lengths to credit some of Moore’s stories, to give him some benefit of the doubt, and to defend him from unfair charges; and in other forums I have defended him as well against some of the accusations against him of financial improprieties.
But if the man wants us to believe him, he darn well should stop telling lies.
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I’m a lesser of two evils voter, again.
But seeing this is making me more of a Moore fan. This is the coolest shit I’ve seen in a while.
(https://i.imgur.com/UiE8YlP.gif)
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This will change zero minds, and I'm sure everyone already voted anyway, but this was tweeted by Brit Hume from Alabama conservative journalist Quinn Hillyer.
http://yellowhammernews.com/featured/quin-hillyer-moores-words-prove-falsehood/
I don't want to get into a point-counterpoint with you on this because quite honestly, at this point what difference does it make.
However.
I do have to take issue with some of the positions taken here.
First is this:
So Moore remembers them both as good girls, remembers the parents of both, recalls that one was 19 or older (she says she was 18), knew one of them “as a friend,†and can’t deny having actually dated them (but said there was no sexual activity).
He says MULTIPLE times in the Hannity thing that he doesn't remember them. He may have known of them or whatever, but doesn't recall dating them with the exception of the fact that maybe one of their mothers pushed the girl at him, perhaps.
He. Never. Once. Said. He. Knew. Or. Dated. Them.
That's it, Chiz. (Probably based on advice from campaign managers and advisors who told him to stop being nice) he went from "I don't really remember them, but it was a long time ago" to "I don't remember them."
Same story. No change.
Corfman simply isn't believable. She told friends she was dating an older man. Woo! When I was 13, I told friends I was fucking an older girl who went to a school in another city. I did know her, or at least I used to see her from afar because she lived on the same street as my grandmother. I even ate in the same restaurant as she did a few times. And once she and I raced paper boats in the gutter after a heavy rain. I got her to give me a picture! Yeah. I fucked her. Long and hard. So fucking credible.
Do I think he dated younger girls when he was in his early 30s? 18? 19? Probably so. So would almost everybody else -- except for you.
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I don't want to get into a point-counterpoint with you on this because quite honestly, at this point what difference does it make.
However.
I do have to take issue with some of the positions taken here.
First is this:
So Moore remembers them both as good girls, remembers the parents of both, recalls that one was 19 or older (she says she was 18), knew one of them “as a friend,†and can’t deny having actually dated them (but said there was no sexual activity).
He says MULTIPLE times in the Hannity thing that he doesn't remember them. He may have known of them or whatever, but doesn't recall dating them with the exception of the fact that maybe one of their mothers pushed the girl at him, perhaps.
He. Never. Once. Said. He. Knew. Or. Dated. Them.
That's it, Chiz. (Probably based on advice from campaign managers and advisors who told him to stop being nice) he went from "I don't really remember them, but it was a long time ago" to "I don't remember them."
Same story. No change.
Corfman simply isn't believable. She told friends she was dating an older man. Woo! When I was 13, I told friends I was fucking an older girl who went to a school in another city. I did know her, or at least I used to see her from afar because she lived on the same street as my grandmother. I even ate in the same restaurant as she did a few times. And once she and I raced paper boats in the gutter after a heavy rain. I got her to give me a picture! Yeah. I fucked her. Long and hard. So fucking credible.
Do I think he dated younger girls when he was in his early 30s? 18? 19? Probably so. So would almost everybody else -- except for you.
So, are you saying that you've changed your mind about "whooping Chizad's ass" the next time that you see him? Or, maybe I misunderstood.
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So, are you saying that you've changed your mind about "whooping Chizad's ass" the next time that you see him? Or, maybe I misunderstood.
I'm like a ninja. When it happens, he won't see it coming.
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I'm like a ninja. When it happens, he won't see it coming.
All kidding aside, you will have to be ninja like.
Do you have any idea how long I tried to get him to meet up at an x gate? He always had the lamest of the lame excuses. It went on so long that I forgot what I was going to whoop that ass about.
I think that was his intention, all along.
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Protesters are probably getting ready.
There were no Greyhound buses.
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There were no Greyhound buses.
Are you insinuating that there were no black people?
Of all people on here, I'd think that you'd be one of the more sensitive ones.
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Are you insinuating that there were no black people?
Of all people on here, I'd think that you'd be one of the more sensitive ones.
I was one of the few white people at the voting location, when I voted, I figure they drove there.
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Good night Roy. Enjoy retirement.
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Good night Roy. Enjoy retirement.
We lost today, Token.
Whatever his personal issues were 40 years ago, the national margin was more important. Deal with him personally later and don't screw the state and the nation in the process.
I just saw Fox10 interviewing people at the Jones deal in Mobile. These two started yelling about how "we and others came from all over the county to vote and get our boy elected..."
They came from all over the country to vote? What the fuck.
I also want it noted that I'm not going to spend the next few weeks or months trying to figure out ways to get him impeached, removed or scandalized. I am going to take every one of his bullshit promises and his lying claims and make sure his office is notified when he fails to follow through. And I'm going to work hard to defeat him the next time he comes up for election.
That's how things are handled.
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HahahahahahahahahahahHHHHHHhahahahahahHHHHHHHHahahahhhahahahahhh
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Soros wins
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HahahahahahahahahahahHHHHHHhahahahahahHHHHHHHHahahahhhahahahahhh
You don't even live here. Keep being part of the problem.
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Ahhh the high road.
You can thank McConnell. If he doesn't railroad Mo Brooks OR if he had not gotten in a war with Bannon by CHOICE during strange vs moore - then you don't even have Moore up there and this is a route for either Brooks or Strange.
You know this is just Scott Brown in MA all over again - but reversing the parties right ? When the GOP routes jones in '20 like Liz Warren did Brown, you won't even remember this night. Mark it down. This was a huge outlier of circumstance, mainly because of Moore himself.
Just like Scott Brown.
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I'm just glad that I'm not so insignificant that I concern myself with celebrating other state's candidates losing campaigns.
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#Winning
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#Alabamalosteitherway
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#Alabamalosteitherway
Truth ^^
Became a lose lose the day Brooks lost to strange and moore.
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Alabama republicans succumbed to political terrorism today!
It will now get worse. They think they have the winning formula now.
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Ahhh the high road.
You can thank McConnell. If he doesn't railroad Mo Brooks OR if he had not gotten in a war with Bannon by CHOICE during strange vs moore - then you don't even have Moore up there and this is a route for either Brooks or Strange.
You know this is just Scott Brown in MA all over again - but reversing the parties right ? When the GOP routes jones in '20 like Liz Warren did Brown, you won't even remember this night. Mark it down. This was a huge outlier of circumstance, mainly because of Moore himself.
Just like Scott Brown.
First time in 25 years...not gonna remember this night because something might happen 3 years from now. :rofl:
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#Alabamalosteitherway
What in the hell does this even mean?
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First time in 25 years...not gonna remember this night because something might happen 3 years from now. :rofl:
How many in the GOP really remember the night Scott Brown won his special election? Not many. Just calling it both ways dude.
@AvengedCoach
Scott Brown won a special Senate election in a deep blue state just over a year after Obama was elected. GOP celebrated like it was the beginning of then end for Obama. 3 years later: Brown out on his ass, Obama re-elected.
Suspect Jones/Trump will play out the same way.
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Here's the thing for me. I loathe Roy Moore. I think he is the most grandstanding SOB I've ever seen. And you'll never convince me that every move he's made, including getting tossed twice, was for anything other than future political gain.
The sexual misconduct accusations. All of these women need to go to jail. 30-40 years after the fact and you come out a month or two before the election day???? How stupid is ANYONE for looking past the fact that this was SET UP 101? It cost him the election. I don't care if he won or lost. But these women need jail time, along with those behind this farce.
Doug Jones? You stand for everything I'm against. Everything. Line item. I'll leave it at that. Alabama...America loses today. No matter who won.
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Here's the thing for me. I loathe Roy Moore. I think he is the most grandstanding SOB I've ever seen. And you'll never convince me that every move he's made, including getting tossed twice, was for anything other than future political gain.
The sexual misconduct accusations. All of these women need to go to jail. 30-40 years after the fact and you come out a month or two before the election day???? How stupid is ANYONE for looking past the fact that this was SET UP 101? It cost him the election. I don't care if he won or lost. But these women need jail time, along with those behind this farce.
Doug Jones? You stand for everything I'm against. Everything. Line item. I'll leave it at that. Alabama...America loses today. No matter who won.
I want to hump you.
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Here's the thing for me. I loathe Roy Moore. I think he is the most grandstanding SOB I've ever seen. And you'll never convince me that every move he's made, including getting tossed twice, was for anything other than future political gain.
The sexual misconduct accusations. All of these women need to go to jail. 30-40 years after the fact and you come out a month or two before the election day???? How stupid is ANYONE for looking past the fact that this was SET UP 101? It cost him the election. I don't care if he won or lost. But these women need jail time, along with those behind this farce.
Doug Jones? You stand for everything I'm against. Everything. Line item. I'll leave it at that. Alabama...America loses today. No matter who won.
As bad as I hate to, I agree with everything that you just said. I must admit that it is concerning. But I do.
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I want to hump you.
It’s not so great.
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Here's the thing for me. I loathe Roy Moore. I think he is the most grandstanding SOB I've ever seen. And you'll never convince me that every move he's made, including getting tossed twice, was for anything other than future political gain.
The sexual misconduct accusations. All of these women need to go to jail. 30-40 years after the fact and you come out a month or two before the election day???? How stupid is ANYONE for looking past the fact that this was SET UP 101? It cost him the election. I don't care if he won or lost. But these women need jail time, along with those behind this farce.
Doug Jones? You stand for everything I'm against. Everything. Line item. I'll leave it at that. Alabama...America loses today. No matter who won.
More truth.
Roy Moore is a flawed candidate. Allegations aside. He's finished badly in previous elections. He finished 4th in the governors race. 4th. He is just a bad candidate. Period.
Jones is a sack of shit who has crazy views in the other direction. He's been chummy with Hillary. He supports every far left position I hate.
So yeah - the two candidates up there tonight was a lose lose.
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I want to hump you.
I would like your post but I'm not sure how that would be taken. I'll just say thanks.
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The write in vote assholes were the difference. That's what's sad. Fools who shoved their vote up a wild hog's ass. Why bother to even go to the polls if your dumb ass is going to write "Nick Saban" in the box.
Fucking idiots.
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It’s time to move on. Congrats to those who opposed Moore, whether by write in or supporting Jones or wishes. I hope we can all work together to improve our country.
Please win with class. Don’t get on here and gloat. I’m sure it’s hard to suppress the trailer park but you can do it.
And if you wish to still stir shit up, I-10 runs east and west from my house. I’ll beat a bitch like he stole my cane pole.
So, stay classy my friends. I know who you are.
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I would like your post but I'm not sure how that would be taken. I'll just say thanks.
Just don't let him sign your yearbook.
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Just don't let him sign your yearbook.
^^^see, good stuff. this is what I miss when you stay gone so long.
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The write in vote assholes were the difference. That's what's sad. Fools who shoved their vote up a wild hog's ass. Why bother to even go to the polls if your dumb ass is going to write "Nick Saban" in the box.
Fucking idiots.
Wrong.
The fools in this election were the people who put Roy in the election to begin with. He was the only republican who was going to struggle with Doug Jones. Because of his previous grandstanding with religion and being removed from 2 separate positions, he was the only republican who wouldn't walk away with the election.
If you want to be mad about having Doug Jones as a US Senator, blame the morons who put the easiest republican candidate to beat in the special election.
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Ahhh the high road.
Hate to let you down...especially given the high state of discourse in this forum of late.
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The write in vote assholes were the difference. That's what's sad. Fools who shoved their vote up a wild hog's ass. Why bother to even go to the polls if your dumb ass is going to write "Nick Saban" in the box.
Fucking idiots.
So I have the right to vote as long as they vote the way your side or Prowler/Wes side wants me to vote? The coming communist occupation will be an easy adjustment for those who think like this.
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Of the last two elections in which I've voted, I can't think of 4 worse choices to decide between.
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So I have the right to vote as long as they vote the way your side or Prowler/Wes side wants me to vote? The coming communist occupation will be an easy adjustment for those who think like this.
Not at all.
Just don’t waste the vote. Writing in santa or bugs bunny is worthless.
Don’t care who you choose — if you live here, if not fuck off — but just choose.
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Not at all.
Just don’t waste the vote. Writing in santa or bugs bunny is worthless.
Don’t care who you choose — if you live here, if not fuck off — but just choose.
It’s not a wasted vote. They could have not shown up at all and Roy would have still been defeated. Or they could have just as easily been a democrat who hated Doug Jones and wrote in instead.
The write in votes are only a factor if you believe that all write in voters were republicans who just refused to vote for Roy. And even if that’s the case, it’s the Roy fans faults for putting a terrible candidate in a pivotal election against a democrat.
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Jones is a sack of shit who has crazy views in the other direction. He's been chummy with Hillary. He supports every far left position I hate.
He's as vanilla bean, run-of-the-mill Democrat as they come. I get that that's not your cup of tea, and that's fine.
Roy Moore is extremely, outrageously far right, outside of the norm. There is not an equivalence with Doug Jones being equally outside the norm to the left.
http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/08/abortion-is-the-get-out-of-jail-free-car
An excerpt:
Does Democratic Senate challenger Doug Jones really support "partial birth abortion"? No, he does not. The basis of that claim is the following exchange Jones had with Chuck Todd in September on Meet the Press Daily:
"So you wouldn't be in favor of legislation that said, ban abortion after 20 weeks or something like that?" Todd asked.
"I'm not in favor of anything that is going to infringe on a woman's right and her freedom to choose. That's just the position that I've had for many years. It's a position I continue to have[.]"
In the hands of pro-Moore super PACs, this boundless answer to a limited question was translated into "Jones supports abortion in even the most extreme circumstances, including gruesome late-term and partial-birth abortions that are banned in countries across the world." In an attempt to quell the controversy, Jones gave an interview with AL.com clarifying his position. Relevant portions:
[Jones] said he supports Alabama's abortion laws as they are, saying that people are "fairly comfortable" with the current law. [...]
["]the law for decades has been that late-term procedures are generally restricted except in the case of medical necessity. That's what I support. I don't see any changes in that.["] [...]
Jones said his position would be to leave abortion laws unchanged.
"I think people are fairly comfortable with where the law has been for decades and that is that a woman has that right to choose because it is intensely personal and I don't think me or Roy Moore or the state of Alabama or the United States government should take that right away," Jones said.
Supporting current law means opposing partial-birth abortion, since intact dilation and extraction (the medical term for the procedure) has been illegal in the United States since the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act was enacted in 2003. Still, anti-abortion activists know a morally unfit extremist when they see one. "No reasonable person," Alexandra Desanctis concluded in National Review three weeks after the clarification interview, "could consider Jones anything other than a zealot in this area."
The write in vote assholes were the difference. That's what's sad. Fools who shoved their vote up a wild hog's ass. Why bother to even go to the polls if your dumb ass is going to write "Nick Saban" in the box.
Fucking idiots.
I had no idea until after-the-fact that the Libertarian that got virtually all of the write-in votes that probably had a significant impact in the race? I know the guy personally. Our cubicles used to sit across from eachother. My band played a party at his house. No idea he was a Libertarian, let alone a politician until I heard his name last night. Lucky for you all, you didn't have to hear me shill for him. He's a good dude, and you probably will have to listen to me shill for him in future elections, so look forward to that.
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He's a good dude, and you probably will have to listen to me shill for him in future elections, so look forward to that.
Do you have comparable math skills cause there are gonna be issues if so?
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It’s not a wasted vote. They could have not shown up at all and Roy would have still been defeated. Or they could have just as easily been a democrat who hated Doug Jones and wrote in instead.
The write in votes are only a factor if you believe that all write in voters were republicans who just refused to vote for Roy. And even if that’s the case, it’s the Roy fans faults for putting a terrible candidate in a pivotal election against a democrat.
It's a wasted vote. Period. I'd prefer they hadn't show up honestly. If it was, say, a general election and there were multiple races on the ballot -- some of which you know nothing about -- I celebrate the amusing write-in. I've done it innumerable times.
In this case, however, when there are only two choices and nothing else on the ballot why waste the time driving all the way to the polling place just to be an ass? What do you truly hope to prove? Nobody is ever going to see the name you wrote in.
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He's as vanilla bean, run-of-the-mill Democrat as they come. I get that that's not your cup of tea, and that's fine.Lucky for you all, you didn't have to hear me shill for him. He's a good dude, and you probably will have to listen to me shill for him in future elections, so look forward to that.
What part of "you don't live here" isn't connecting?
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It’s not a wasted vote. They could have not shown up at all and Roy would have still been defeated. Or they could have just as easily been a democrat who hated Doug Jones and wrote in instead.
The write in votes are only a factor if you believe that all write in voters were republicans who just refused to vote for Roy. And even if that’s the case, it’s the Roy fans faults for putting a terrible candidate in a pivotal election against a democrat.
I don’t expect you to answer this correctly if you wrote in but I’ll ask anyway. Did your vote actually get counted?
More than likely not, if you know the somewhat complicated rules. Every one absolutely does not.
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Do you have comparable math skills cause there are gonna be issues if so?
Whats funniest about this is the assumption anyone actually reads his gay posts. Now that’s high comedy.
Or, maybe it’s not. Better check with Lil’ Sweet on that.
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I don’t expect you to answer this correctly if you wrote in but I’ll ask anyway. Did your vote actually get counted?
More than likely not, if you know the somewhat complicated rules. Every one absolutely does not.
I have no idea how an election works. I wasn’t at the courthouse last night with the probate judge until 9:30. Please, educate me.
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I have no idea how an election works. I wasn’t at the courthouse last night with the probate judge until 9:30. Please, educate me.
Was your horse tired? Is that why you left early?
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Not at all.
Just don’t waste the vote. Writing in santa or bugs bunny is worthless.
Don’t care who you choose — if you live here, if not fuck off — but just choose.
It’s not a wasted vote. They could have not shown up at all and Roy would have still been defeated. Or they could have just as easily been a democrat who hated Doug Jones and wrote in instead.
The write in votes are only a factor if you believe that all write in voters were republicans who just refused to vote for Roy. And even if that’s the case, it’s the Roy fans faults for putting a terrible candidate in a pivotal election against a democrat.
I voted for Ron Bishop, for the record. I was never, ever going to vote for Roy Moore. He's more suited to be an activist pastor than a politician. And I could not reconcile my personal beliefs with the things Doug Jones supports in spite of the fact he comes off like a more or less decent person. So I voted for an actual third party candidate and then went to work.
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Was your horse tired? Is that why you left early?
Only insane human beings incapable of reasoning rides a horse to an election. Which, by the way, almost kicked his dumb unelectable ass off after he voted. It’s the only way the day could have been better.
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I have no idea how an election works. I wasn’t at the courthouse last night with the probate judge until 9:30. Please, educate me.
There is a big difference in knowing how an election works and trying to catch jay walkers outside the courthouse. But if you know, then great.
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There is a big difference in knowing how an election works and trying to catch jay walkers outside the courthouse. But if you know, then great.
I work for a Sheriff. Officer of the court. Not a municipality.
Good joke though.
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I work for a Sheriff. Officer of the court. Not a municipality.
Good joke though.
Thanks.
I try hard.
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I work for a Sheriff. Officer of the court. Not a municipality.
Good joke though.
and by the way, tried to send you a message to explain what I was talking about but you had blocked me.
I’m impressed that we can even do this. And that you’d be able to figure out how to do it. Did you even have to call tech support?
Anyway, seeing as how this was the first ever attempted message, I don’t foresee a reason to request a block removal. But just know. All write ins ARE NOT always counted.
I don’t care if you are head jailer.
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I voted for Ron Bishop, for the record. I was never, ever going to vote for Roy Moore. He's more suited to be an activist pastor than a politician. And I could not reconcile my personal beliefs with the things Doug Jones supports in spite of the fact he comes off like a more or less decent person. So I voted for an actual third party candidate and then went to work.
Then you voted for no one.
Write-ins who aren't legitimate candidates are just jokes. Amused yourself.
That is your right, though. In this situation and since nobody will ever know who you voted for, I just honestly want to know: What was the point? Why did you waste your time?
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I voted for Ron Bishop, for the record. I was never, ever going to vote for Roy Moore. He's more suited to be an activist pastor than a politician. And I could not reconcile my personal beliefs with the things Doug Jones supports in spite of the fact he comes off like a more or less decent person. So I voted for an actual third party candidate and then went to work.
Then you missed all the rioting, burning of buildings, trashing of police cars because republicans were mad.
Oh, wait.
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Then you missed all the rioting, burning of buildings, trashing of police cars because republicans were mad.
Oh, wait.
When I saw Doug won, I marched on my bed. I woke up this morning and went on about my business.
I did start a fire in the fireplace to ward off the early morning chill.
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Then you voted for no one.
Write-ins who aren't legitimate candidates are just jokes. Amused yourself.
That is your right, though. In this situation and since nobody will ever know who you voted for, I just honestly want to know: What was the point? Why did you waste your time?
Nope, he was a real, third party candidate. https://ron-lpalabama.nationbuilder.com (https://ron-lpalabama.nationbuilder.com)
And, as to why
I was never, ever going to vote for Roy Moore. He's more suited to be an activist pastor than a politician. And I could not reconcile my personal beliefs with the things Doug Jones supports...
So I did what 22,000 other people around this state did. I said, “Screw The GOP and The DNC.†Jones will be defeated in 2020 65-35, I figure. But I don’t expect Trump to even be running at that point.
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Nope, he was a real, third party candidate. https://ron-lpalabama.nationbuilder.com (https://ron-lpalabama.nationbuilder.com)
And, as to why
So I did what 22,000 other people around this state did. Screw The GOP and The DNC.
You only screwed the state by not choosing from the only viable alternatives. At least that's my take.
I guess my real question as previously poorly articulated is: What did you hope to accomplish? Does the DNC or the GOP care? Will anyone ever know that you voted for Ron Palabama? What was the point of doing so?
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You only screwed the state by not choosing from the only viable alternatives. At least that's my take.
I guess my real question as previously poorly articulated is: What did you hope to accomplish? Does the DNC or the GOP care? Will anyone ever know that you voted for Ron Palabama? What was the point of doing so?
I have no dog in the hunt, but from what I read:
The state screwed itself by making those two the only choice.
Could the republicans not come up with somebody better?
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They did. It just wasn't Luther Strange
The democrats wanted Roy. Soros wanted Roy.
Want some interesting facts?
Jones won the democratic primary. A total of 165,000 votes were cast in it. Total. He got 109,000 of those.
Moore and Strange finished #1 and #2 in the Republican primary. Nearly 400,000 votes were cast there.
The better options -- Brooks, Pittman -- didn't have the money that Strange raised or the name recognition Roy got among the super-religious crowd.
Strange and Moore were terrible, terrible candidates. Agreed. Strange went down in the runoff because people couldn't stomach the chicanery that got him the job in the first place. About 481,000 voted there.
The Washington Post -- BEFORE the runoff -- had the fake info on Moore. They held it to see if he won so they could use it to hopefully destroy his chances to win. They did.
So we have the general election.
Back in the 2016 presidential vote, 729,000 people voted for Shrillary. Trump got 1.3 million. Much like the national election, Shrillary voters were largely confined to large metro areas and counties where the black vote was high.
Yesterday, 671,000 people voted for Dougie. That's significantly lower than the number who voted for Witchlary in November.
The big difference is that only 650,000 or so voted for Roy. That's half the number of people who showed up in the general.
To be perfectly clear, this entire election was manipulated by big money (George Soros) once they discovered Roy was in play as the candidate. And rightly so. He is a shitty candidate. I don't think he's the person the Post made him out to be, but still. A deeply flawed candidate (much like the unelectable Clinton woman). He was easy pickings, hoisted on his own sanctimonious petard.
No matter what the democrats crow, this isn't a paradigm shift. The next time this comes up, so long as the Republican party nominates hasn't murdered a busload of nuns, Doug Jones will be booted out of office, and hard. I'd like to believe that he'll be a voice for moderation in the Senate and actually work to advance some of the Trump agenda. But I know different. He is beholden to Soros and the DNC. He will be their lackey. In doing so he will betray every bogus campaign promise he uttered. It will cost him.
Jones being another obstructionist vote is abhorrent to me.
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No matter what the democrats crow, this isn't a paradigm shift. The next time this comes up, so long as the Republican party nominates hasn't murdered a busload of nuns, Doug Jones will be booted out of office, and hard.
I think it will be very much like Scott Brown in MA.
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I'll also add that this very much reminds me of the first election I voted in, the 1991 Louisiana Gubernatorial election. The first, and only, time I've voted for a Democrat.
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I'll be perfectly honest. I sat at the voting table for a long time yesterday.
I found Roy detestable. Not for the WP allegations, which I consider little more than a political smear job, but just on general principles.
I may agree with his stance on religious displays. I may agree more with his position on same sex marriage and some other social issues than I do with the liberal side. My problem with him was the delivery. I have no reason to doubt his personal faith, but I felt like it was more for show. It felt orchestrated. His pandering also gave me reason to think he was not very intelligent. His wife really needed to never speak in public. They came off as backwater rubes. I didn't care for that.
The ad where he turned and leered into the camera unnerved me. Quite by accident I today discovered the "minds" behind that horrifying mistake.
So I sat there looking at the ballot.
Do I vote for Moore knowing that he's more than likely going to say something stupid, cause an uproar in the Senate with his antics and be a true wildcard when it comes to his voting record?
Do I vote for Doug, knowing that he's not a bright guy either and that I oppose him on virtually every position?
Do I squander my vote and write in something, knowing that NOT choosing lets others make the choice for me without my true input?
There was no good answer. It came down to a choice between ideologies as opposed to candidates. As far as that goes, I couldn't support Jones. I don't agree with Moore on some things either, but...
I really think Ivey should have declared Moore unfit and either cancelled the election or substituted a viable candidate.
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I'll also add that this very much reminds me of the first election I voted in, the 1991 Louisiana Gubernatorial election. The first, and only, time I've voted for a Democrat.
I was 18 and voted for Jimmy Carter, it was then I started hating myself.
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I was 18 and voted for Jimmy Carter, it was then I started hating myself.
In '76 or '80?
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I was 18 and voted for Jimmy Carter, it was then I started hating myself.
My choice was between a Wizard or a Lizard. I opted for the Lizard.
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In '76 or '80?
Uh huh!
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I was 18 and voted for Jimmy Carter, it was then I started hating myself.
Got an early start on the rest, huh?
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My choice was between a Wizard or a Lizard. I opted for the Lizard.
Always opt for Markeith Cooper
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I voted for Ron Bishop, for the record. I was never, ever going to vote for Roy Moore. He's more suited to be an activist pastor than a politician. And I could not reconcile my personal beliefs with the things Doug Jones supports in spite of the fact he comes off like a more or less decent person. So I voted for an actual third party candidate and then went to work.
No. You were a surrogate vote for Jones.
You can try to spin it any way you want.
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The write in vote assholes were the difference. That's what's sad. Fools who shoved their vote up a wild hog's ass. Why bother to even go to the polls if your dumb ass is going to write "Nick Saban" in the box.
Fucking idiots.
Not at all.
Just don’t waste the vote. Writing in santa or bugs bunny is worthless.
Don’t care who you choose — if you live here, if not fuck off — but just choose.
It's a wasted vote. Period....I celebrate the amusing write-in. I've done it innumerable times....
:funny: *snicker* *snicker*
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:funny: *snicker* *snicker*
If you don't see the difference, I can't help you.
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https://youtu.be/8I_NkJ8VTEI
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Always opt for Markeith Cooper
He would have been much better than Edwin Fucking Edwards.
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It’s not a wasted vote. They could have not shown up at all and Roy would have still been defeated. Or they could have just as easily been a democrat who hated Doug Jones and wrote in instead.
The write in votes are only a factor if you believe that all write in voters were republicans who just refused to vote for Roy. And even if that’s the case, it’s the Roy fans faults for putting a terrible candidate in a pivotal election against a democrat.
I'm not sure who put him up to running. Bannon didn't really get behind him until late in the process. And it was really only to spite McConnell. The latter pissed many off in the initial primary unnecessarily. It got moore mad. It got his supporters mad. And it got Bannon involved which was key. McConnell picked a fight and he lost it via a GOP cannibalization. If he had just shut up and let trump roll with strange this would have been a very ho hum Election. He poked a stick at people (moore voters) who otherwise would have stayed home for the primary. People like to blame Bannon here but moore wasn't a Bannon candidate like some of the others running next year. Bannon was a symptom not the cause. Bannon merely picked his side when it was an obvious binary choice. It was the proverbial flipping the bird and grabbing his crotch towards McConnell.
Brooks had very little money. And ran an avg campaign. Strange had money and support but ran a horrible campaign. He never once told the public who he was. So I think there is lots of blame to go around.
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Hate to let you down...especially given the high state of discourse in this forum of late.
You're usually better than that. That's all I'm saying.
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He's as vanilla bean, run-of-the-mill Democrat as they come. I get that that's not your cup of tea, and that's fine.
Roy Moore is extremely, outrageously far right, outside of the norm. There is not an equivalence with Doug Jones being equally outside the norm to the left.
http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/08/abortion-is-the-get-out-of-jail-free-car
An excerpt:I had no idea until after-the-fact that the Libertarian that got virtually all of the write-in votes that probably had a significant impact in the race? I know the guy personally. Our cubicles used to sit across from eachother. My band played a party at his house. No idea he was a Libertarian, let alone a politician until I heard his name last night. Lucky for you all, you didn't have to hear me shill for him. He's a good dude, and you probably will have to listen to me shill for him in future elections, so look forward to that.
None of what you posted from that "blog" changes the fact that 90% of his views and stances historically are considered far left. He's not the centrist democrat that Howell Heflin or Zell Miller was. I've researched the guy and I certainly didn't form that view from a moore Campaign ad. Actually I never saw the first Moore ad during this election - probably because I live in a more rural area (waste of time for moore) and watch a georgia news market
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I voted for Ron Bishop, for the record. I was never, ever going to vote for Roy Moore. He's more suited to be an activist pastor than a politician. And I could not reconcile my personal beliefs with the things Doug Jones supports in spite of the fact he comes off like a more or less decent person. So I voted for an actual third party candidate and then went to work.
I would loathe him as a pastor. Not my cup of tea or style.
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None of what you posted from that "blog" changes the fact that 90% of his views and stances historically are considered far left. He's not the centrist democrat that Howell Heflin or Zell Miller was. I've researched the guy and I certainly didn't form that view from a moore Campaign ad. Actually I never saw the first Moore ad during this election - probably because I live in a more rural area (waste of time for moore) and watch a georgia news market
Reason isn't just "some blog", but ok.
Show me the exact quote from Doug Jones where he explicitly says he's for partial birth abortion. Not where whatever "blog" you read paraphrased for him.
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https://youtu.be/8I_NkJ8VTEI
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I was a pretty big fan of Doug Jones back in the late 90's tbh. I had a good friend that was a part of campus security at UAB and was one of the first folks on the scene after the abortion clinic bombing. I really paid close attention to that entire case and grew to really like Jones as he prosecuted Rudolph.
It was a decade or so later that he prosecuted Cherry and you could hear it in the way he spoke that he had moved much further left by that time.
Fast forward to the campaign of 2017 and in this guy's opinion, he is much further left leaning than the man that I followed during the late 90's.
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I was a pretty big fan of Doug Jones back in the late 90's tbh. I had a good friend that was a part of campus security at UAB and was one of the first folks on the scene after the abortion clinic bombing. I really paid close attention to that entire case and grew to really like Jones as he prosecuted Rudolph.
It was a decade or so later that he prosecuted Cherry and you could hear it in the way he spoke that he had moved much further left by that time.
Fast forward to the campaign of 2017 and in this guy's opinion, he is much further left leaning than the man that I followed during the late 90's.
So, you're saying one leg is much shorter than the other? You know, I went to the chiropractor one time and he told me the same thing. He grabbed my left foot and jerked it. Voila'. I was standing straight and tall again. No more leaning. Maybe Doug should give this guy a try. I swear by him.
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I knew I shouldn't have sent him to Dr. Eileen West.
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Reason isn't just "some blog", but ok.
Show me the exact quote from Doug Jones where he explicitly says he's for partial birth abortion. Not where whatever "blog" you read paraphrased for him.
It's a blog on reason.com. It says so. Right there in your link.
And again you assume everyone is dumb and just reads Roy Moore ads and infowars for their information. In an interview with Chuck Todd, he was asked to explain his stance on limitations to abortion and what limits he was in favor of. He would not reply with any limitation - only that he supported a woman's right to choose until the baby was born. But when the baby was born, he was all about some right to life.
In the Sept. 27 MSNBC interview, host Chuck Todd asked Jones about abortion.
Jones said he's a "firm believer that a woman should have to freedom to choose what happens to her own body" and that he opposed a ban on abortions after the 20th week of gestation, which is a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives and now under consideration in the Senate.
Alabama law allows abortions to be performed as late as 22 weeks into a pregnancy.
"I'm not in favor of anything that is going to infringe on a woman's right and her freedom to choose," Jones said in the MSNBC interview. "That's just the position that I've had for many years. It's a position I continue to have. But I want to make sure people understand, that once a baby is born, I'm going to be there for that child. That's where I become a right-to-lifer."
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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/18/manchin-franken-senate-resign-300843 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/18/manchin-franken-senate-resign-300843)
So now that the Alabama Senate seat isn't up for grabs, the dems want to forgive Franken. Weird, right?
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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/18/manchin-franken-senate-resign-300843 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/18/manchin-franken-senate-resign-300843)
So now that the Alabama Senate seat isn't up for grabs, the dems want to forgive Franken. Weird, right?
The left outplayed the right in Alabama. Simple as that. They knew our voting tendencies. They knew we would put Roy Moore in the special election and they just waited until it happened.
Doesn't matter. Doug Jones has only 2 years and he'll spend most of that time working to not appear so liberal to try to get elected again. He's already came out and said he doesn't think President Trump should be asked to resign over previous sexual harassment claims. He will get as close to the middle as possible in the next 2 years to try to win his election because he knows Alabama didn't just all of a sudden become blue.
In reality, IF Doug moves toward the middle for the next two years it will probably be better than anything Roy could do.
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It's a blog on reason.com. It says so. Right there in your link.
And again you assume everyone is dumb and just reads Roy Moore ads and infowars for their information. In an interview with Chuck Todd, he was asked to explain his stance on limitations to abortion and what limits he was in favor of. He would not reply with any limitation - only that he supported a woman's right to choose until the baby was born. But when the baby was born, he was all about some right to life.
I noticed you didn't provide a link on that little excerpt you provided there.
What you quoted is actually a fun exercise of how to know if your source is biased or not.
The parts in bold are actual quotes from that interview. Everything else is "coloring" or "rephrasing" what he said in a way that makes him say what the author wants to say he said. You can tell by the quotation marks, and the lack thereof.
In the Sept. 27 MSNBC interview, host Chuck Todd asked Jones about abortion.
Jones said he's a "firm believer that a woman should have to freedom to choose what happens to her own body" and that he opposed a ban on abortions after the 20th week of gestation, which is a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives and now under consideration in the Senate.
Alabama law allows abortions to be performed as late as 22 weeks into a pregnancy.
"I'm not in favor of anything that is going to infringe on a woman's right and her freedom to choose," Jones said in the MSNBC interview. "That's just the position that I've had for many years. It's a position I continue to have. But I want to make sure people understand, that once a baby is born, I'm going to be there for that child. That's where I become a right-to-lifer."
Notice that everything he ACTUALLY said is milquetoast standard-issue liberalism.
Notice that he did not say:
and that he opposed a ban on abortions after the 20th week of gestation, which is a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives and now under consideration in the Senate.
He may have been asked that, but he chose not to answer that question and instead just went with the generic "I'm not in favor of anything that is going to infringe on a woman's right and her freedom to choose", which is a position that at least 50% of the country agrees with, like it or not.
That is what the author wants you to read into what he actually said.
By the way, the Chuck Todd is not "another interview", it's the same interview at the center of the reason "blog" I posted.
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Where da wimmin now?
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LMAO...
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/12/lets_all_watch_roy_moore_alter.html
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LMAO...
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/12/lets_all_watch_roy_moore_alter.html
On the plus side, we finally get to see how many people wrote in Nick Saban, in Morgan country anyhow...
Bozo the Clown received two votes
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Fuck Roy Moore.
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Fuck Roy Moore.
No no. Fuck Georgia!!!
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Fuck Roy Moore.
Christmas at the Moore's is gonna be off the chain this year. :sad:
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Where all Dem wimmins now?
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Where all Dem wimmins now?
Bowing at the altar of Soros
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Christmas at the Moore's is gonna be off the chain this year. :sad:
Should be just fine, he is still asking for campaign donations.
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Should be just fine, he is still asking for campaign donations.
So, did you mail your check or donate online?
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Should be just fine, he is still asking for campaign donations.
Yup and morons are still donating to it.
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Yup and morons are still donating to it.
How much did you give?
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How much did you give?
$0
How much are you still giving?
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Ooops...
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/roy_moore_accusers_home_burns.html#incart_most-comments
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/55867752/oh-lawd-jesus-theres-a-fire.jpg)
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Ooops...
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/roy_moore_accusers_home_burns.html#incart_most-comments
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/55867752/oh-lawd-jesus-theres-a-fire.jpg)
I bet that Roy will still give her a little something to help out.
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And yet, some wondered why she didn't come out earlier.
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And yet, some wondered why she didn't come out earlier.
Completely and utterly unrelated. It’s shameful that our media would even connect the dots as to perpetuate the idea that somehow this is connected.
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Completely and utterly unrelated. It’s shameful that our media would even connect the dots as to perpetuate the idea that somehow this is connected.
What do udders have do anything? Do people in this county ride cows?
You dumb man. I block.
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Completely and utterly unrelated. It’s shameful that our media would even connect the dots as to perpetuate the idea that somehow this is connected.
Not just our media. It's on USAToday.
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And yet, some wondered why she didn't come out earlier.
The thought never crossed my mind.
But I admit I’ve often wondered this about Wes.
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What do udders have do anything? Do people in this county ride cows?
You dumb man. I block.
Seriously Wiregrass you’re an asshole of epic proportions.
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Seriously Wiregrass you’re an asshole of epic proportions.
Coming from you, this means more. Thank you.
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Completely and utterly unrelated. It’s shameful that our media would even connect the dots as to perpetuate the idea that somehow this is connected.
You misspelled typical
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Episode 3 of the Showtime series...
https://youtu.be/3kaJaDx51iw
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Episode 3 of the Showtime series...
https://youtu.be/3kaJaDx51iw
New level of desperate.
And irrelevant. Who cares. The guy is a loser. He's been put out to pasture. Best to not give him media attention.
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Samantha Bee and Borat are today's "news". WTF has happened to this country?
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Samantha Bee and Borat are today's "news". WTF has happened to this country?
Nail....meet hammer.
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Samantha Bee and Borat are today's "news". WTF has happened to this country?
See the post above yours and wonder no more.