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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on June 22, 2010, 10:51:16 AM
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The article isn't up on SN's website yet, but this is from an al.com blog from the interview.
SN: What's bigger: Alabama-Auburn in November or Alabama-Florida in December?
SABAN: ... When it comes to bragging rights, the Auburn is a big game for our fans and supporters because it's an in-state rivalry. Florida has become a little bit of a target in terms of everybody would love to have the opportunity to beat them. So I don't know how I could (say) which one is more important than the other.
SN: It seems a more P.R.-minded Alabama coach might have to pretend sometimes that the Auburn game is bigger than all the others - no matter what.
SABAN: But I think it is bigger for the fans.
SN: But not for you?
SABAN: If it is for the fans, it is for me, all right? It's just hard for me to - and it's no disrespect to Auburn, but it's important that everyone in the program thinks that every game we play is important. ...
Aaight?
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The article isn't up on SN's website yet, but this is from an al.com blog from the interview.
Aaight?
Coach schpeak 101.
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How could you expect a coach that lost to Louisiana Monroe to talk about one game being more important than the other. I get where the interviewer was going but he's not gonna get it from Saban.
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How could you expect a coach that lost to Louisiana Monroe to talk about one game being more important than the other. I get where the interviewer was going but he's not gonna get it from Saban.
That Georgia State game seems to be Extremely important...something that Coach little bitch has been, well, bitching about for the last couple months.
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That Georgia State game seems to be Extremely important...something that Coach little bitch has been, well, bitching about for the last couple months.
So important it will be moved to Thursday night on ESPN 2.
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That Georgia State game seems to be Extremely important...something that Coach little bitch has been, well, bitching about for the last couple months.
Honestly, and I'm being serious here, I'm not worried about the Georgia State game but I'm inclined to be a lot more concerned about it than I am the Auburn game. I could see Saban running up the score next year against Auburn in Bryant Denny, perhaps in the 36 point range. He has a habit of doing that against Auburn in T-town.
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Honestly, and I'm being serious here, I'm not worried about the Georgia State game but I'm inclined to be a lot more concerned about it than I am the Auburn game. I could see Saban running up the score next year against Auburn in Bryant Denny, perhaps in the 36 point range. He has a habit of doing that against Auburn in T-town.
Once does not make a habit. Dickhead.
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Once does not make a habit. toolhead.
THIS man knows.
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Once does not make a habit. Dickhead.
Bammer logic...
After their first Iron Bowl win in 7 years, it was a "streak" and a "trend"...
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What is this 36 of which he speaks? It could be significant but through counseling and daily medication, I've been able to block certain things from my memory, such as the entire 2008 Auburn Football season.
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What is this 36 of which he speaks? It could be significant but through counseling and daily medication, I've been able to block certain things from my memory, such as the entire 2008 Auburn Football season.
The 3-2 AU/MSU game was a classic!..............sorry you can't remember it................
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By the way, who is your counselor and what medication are you using.....I could use some assistance.
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The 3-2 AU/MSU game was a classic!..............sorry you can't remember it................
:bar:
By the way, who is your counselor and what medication are you using.....I could use some assistance.
I can't remember the counselors name. The meds come from a guy named Guido.
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Honestly, and I'm being serious here, I'm not worried about the Georgia State game but I'm inclined to be a lot more concerned about it than I am the Auburn game. I could see Saban running up the score next year against Auburn in Bryant Denny, perhaps in the 36 point range. He has a habit of doing that against Auburn in T-town.
You are a little off your game on this one. I expect better of you.
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I expect better of you.
Why?
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Why?
Because it rubbed no one the wrong way.
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Post you Bammer ass kickings here.
Beat by a cokehead after leading 31-10 in the third quarter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSN8SHFmPw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSN8SHFmPw#)
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Worst loss in 41 years? Sorry about that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpmxLPe-w-0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpmxLPe-w-0#)
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Ouch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD8t50yxsu4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD8t50yxsu4#)
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Fun Key
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fSNUHjBIM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fSNUHjBIM#)
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Arkansas' last NC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcY-zTxh6o# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcY-zTxh6o#)
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Alabama's last NC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-UeJYhAb8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-UeJYhAb8#ws)
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Did they have video recorders in '57?
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Did they have video recorders in '57?
No, but they did in 2004.
Wait...what?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXYWBs5Q3GU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXYWBs5Q3GU#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWtqlAP6XbU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWtqlAP6XbU#ws)
boartitz, you may want to skip ahead around the 1:14 mark where Richardson embarasses the entire Hawg defense.
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Arkansas' last NC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcY-zTxh6o# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcY-zTxh6o#)
And it depends on what poll you look at on this one.
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I noticed that Boartitz is living in the past, something Alabama fans haven't been accused of a whole lot lately.
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I noticed that Boartitz is living in the past, something Alabama fans haven't been accused of a whole lot lately.
Except everyone that attended a game this year wearing something houndstooth.
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Except everyone that attended a game this year wearing something houndstooth.
Houndstooth has become a part of Alabama tradition. Should Auburn stop rolling Toomer's Corner just because it was done in the 60's and 70's?
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Houndstooth has become a part of Alabama tradition.
I guess living in the past is now considered a "bammer trudishun".
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I guess living in the past is now considered a "bammer trudishun".
And...??? What do you think the definition of "tradition" is? If your traditions aren't based on the past what are they based on?
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I noticed that Boartitz is living in the past, something Alabama fans haven't been accused of a whole lot lately.
If yall are so great, why haven't you won more than 1 NC since the BCS started? That's 1 ever that was won on the field and not the results of votes. All them others are in your past. That's where it seems yall are the ones living and crowing about.
We're just little ole Arkysuck and yall haven't really dominated us since we have been in the SEC.
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Except everyone that attended a game this year wearing something houndstooth.
bammer fans have never been observed wearing houndstooth.
Or so I've read.
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If yall are so great, why haven't you won more than 1 NC since the BCS started?
Because, from 1992 up until 2008, they've been recovering from probation.
I read that somewhere, too.
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If yall are so great, why haven't you won more than 1 NC since the BCS started? I can't read this without attaching a tobacco spittin' southern accent. That's 1 ever that was won on the field and not the results of votes. All them others are in your past. Seriously? If you're the current National Champions, how is it possible for "all them others" to not be in the past? That's where it seems yall are the ones living and crowing about. What the fuck does this sentence even mean????
We're just little ole Arkysuck and yall haven't really dominated us since we have been in the SEC. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you're drunk right now.
Who the hell let AuburnChopper sign in under boartitz screen name? Shit looks like it was written by a 5 year old. First of all, why is the fan of a team that's only won .5 a National Championship in the last 140 years asking why Alabama's only won 1 in the last 12? 2nd of all, I don't know what you consider dominating but Alabama has a winning record against every team in the SEC, including a 13-7 record over Arkansas. Why are you running your mouth again?
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Who the hell let AuburnChopper sign in under boartitz screen name? Shit looks like it was written by a 5 year old. First of all, why is the fan of a team that's only won .5 a National Championship in the last 140 years asking why Alabama's only won 1 in the last 12? 2nd of all, I don't know what you consider dominating but Alabama has a winning record against every team in the SEC, including a 13-7 record over Arkansas. Why are you running your mouth again?
How many of those wins have yall had taken away because you were fucking cheating?
I smoke. Don't dip or chaw.
I don't brag about how good we were. I'm real fucking optimistic about how good we will be now that we have a good head coach.
I'll bet you a gallon of local BBQ sauce that we beat yall's bammerfootball ass this season. Put up or shut the fuck up.
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I don't brag about how good we were.
ummm... isn't that like a fag not bragging about all the poon he gets?
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How many of those wins have yall had taken away because you were fucking cheating?
I smoke. Don't dip or chaw.
I don't brag about how good we were. I'm real fucking optimistic about how good we will be now that we have a good head coach.
I'll bet you a gallon of local BBQ sauce that we beat yall's bammerfootball ass this season. Put up or shut the fuck up.
You might want to wait until Arky keeps it closer than 4 scores for a year or so before you make that bet, titz. That's cool that you're confident, but I think Saban has Petrino pretty much figured out. What does Arkansas have this season that they didn't have last season that is going to change the game all that much? If anything, I think the change in Alabama's secondary is going to change things more than anything Arkansas will do. Not trying to be cocky, but damn....Alabama has punked you guys these past two years. Say what you want about Nutt, but the Arky game always scared the shit out of me because Alabama fans knew we were going to get all we wanted and more.
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Say what YOU want about Nutt. He's the sorry piece of shit that left us in the shape to get punked the last 2 years. He knew when to bail.
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Too late, RWS, he already made the bet. Which I accept while asking if we are seriously betting BBQ sauce. Either way, I'm good for it.
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Sounds like you've got yourself a double down, boartitz. I'm not too sure these clowns have anything that will match your BBQ sauce wager - unless you're into gubmint assistance vouchers or vials of crystal meth.
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Sounds like you've got yourself a double down, boartitz. I'm not too sure these clowns have anything that will match your BBQ sauce wager - unless you're into gubmint assistance vouchers or vials of crystal meth.
Maybe he should point out what he expects on my end because you're pretty much right. If BBQ sauce is the bet than I'm assuming I can't really compete with what he has access to locally. His choice, if nothing else I'll purchase it online as there's no other alternative locally that would be fair.
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And it depends on what poll you look at on this one.
As my daughter likes to say, "yea you right!" But it was the closest thing they have to a NC.
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Maybe he should point out what he expects on my end because you're pretty much right. If BBQ sauce is the bet than I'm assuming I can't really compete with what he has access to locally. His choice, if nothing else I'll purchase it online as there's no other alternative locally that would be fair.
You don't have a local BBQ sauce in your part of Alabama? You shouldn't even think of yourself as a southerner.
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You don't have a local BBQ sauce in your part of Alabama? You shouldn't even think of yourself as a southerner.
How has this not been covered before? I don't live in Alabama, I live near Chattanooga, TN. Do you want a model train set?
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Houndstooth has become a part of Alabama tradition. Should Auburn stop rolling Toomer's Corner just because it was done in the 60's and 70's?
I'm sorry, I had to back up a bit and point out how insanely stupid this comment is.
So your fanbase relishing and making a point to wear the same fucking pattern of fabric as the hat your drunk coach who died 30 fucking years ago did, is the same as a school tradition that is not tied to one person, or any specific period in history. Only in bammer logic. The houndstooth should have died and rotted with Bahr, but you can't let it go, so you hold on to your false idol. The houndstooth pattern is to a bammer as the cross is to a Christian.
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I'm sorry, I had to back up a bit and point out how insanely stupid this comment is.
So your fanbase relishing and making a point to wear the same fucking pattern of fabric as the hat your drunk coach who died 30 fucking years ago did, is the same as a school tradition that is not tied to one person, or any specific period in history. Only in bammer logic. The houndstooth should have died and rotted with Bahr, but you can't let it go, so you hold on to your false idol. The houndstooth pattern is to a bammer as the cross is to a Christian.
I associated them both as traditions, not the "same" tradition. The fact of the matter is that Auburn doesn't have a tradition like the one Alabama has with wearing houndstooth. This is because no coach ever won 6 National Championships at Auburn. The reason you don't have any traditions "tied to one person" is because no one person has ever been iconic at Auburn. If Harry Caray had coached at Auburn and made them National Champions 6 different times over the span of 20+ years, guess what some people would show up to Jordan Hare with?
Just because Auburn is vacant of an iconic figure doesn't mean other schools shouldn't remember theirs. If remembering comes in the form of wearing houndstooth, I simply don't see what's so bad about that. I certainly don't see it as such a blatant atrocity as it obviously is to you.
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How has this not been covered before? I don't live in Alabama, I live near Chattanooga, TN. Do you want a model train set?
TN has BBQ. I may be going to Watts Bar.
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TN has BBQ. I may be going to Watts Bar.
Alright, if Arkansas beats Alabama, I guarantee you I will find a gallon of local BBQ sauce that is worthy of being in this bet. Can't be that hard, Memphis is only a few hours.
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I associated them both as traditions, not the "same" tradition. The fact of the matter is that Auburn doesn't have a tradition like the one Alabama has with wearing houndstooth. This is because no coach ever won 6 National Championships at Auburn. The reason you don't have any traditions "tied to one person" is because no one person has ever been iconic at Auburn. If Harry Caray had coached at Auburn and made them National Champions 6 different times over the span of 20+ years, guess what some people would show up to Jordan Hare with?
Just because Auburn is vacant of an iconic figure doesn't mean other schools shouldn't remember theirs. If remembering comes in the form of wearing houndstooth, I simply don't see what's so bad about that. I certainly don't see it as such a blatant atrocity as it obviously is to you.
Ask 100 random people outside of the southeast if they know who Bear Bryant is. Then ask the same 100 people if they know who Bo Jackson is.
See who more people consider "iconic".
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Ask 100 random people outside of the southeast if they know who Bear Bryant is. Then ask the same 100 people if they know who Bo Jackson is.
See who more people consider "iconic".
Now wait a minute. That depends on whether or not they are Dickle drinkers.
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Say what YOU want about Nutt. He's the sorry piece of shit that left us in the shape to get punked the last 2 years. He knew when to bail.
OR, maybe he was simply able to do better with what he had than Petrino is able to do. The best class Nutt pulled in was the McFadden/Jones class, there there were only two other 4* players in that class. The rest were 3* and 2*. He usually only pulled in 3-4 4* a class. He always made do with what he had, for the most part. If Petrino can't make do, then he needs to just recruit some really good players. Something he hasn't done a good job of at Arkansas.
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Ask 100 random people outside of the southeast if they know who Bear Bryant is. Then ask the same 100 people if they know who Bo Jackson is.
See who more people consider "iconic".
~crickets~
Also add to that a Heisman Trophy winner up until 7 months ago. And most consider him one of the weakest Heisman winners in history. Up there with Kijana Carter and Andre Ware.
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If Harry Caray had coached at Auburn and made them National Champions 6 different times over the span of 20+ years, guess what some people would show up to Jordan Hare with?
The first one that came to Jordan-Hare looking like this guy would get nut punched.
(http://com.puter.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/harry_caray.jpg)
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And...??? What do you think the definition of "tradition" is? If your traditions aren't based on the past what are they based on?
Traditions are things that happen on a regular basis. The things you and your bammers call traditions, are things that happened in the past...ie. HISTORY.
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Did Bear Bryant have a Saturday Morning cartoon show featuring him and two other sports icons?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__ZRjDTujoEo/SanMS9rDJjI/AAAAAAAAApE/A2gyjN6vkjQ/s800/ProStars-all-three.jpg)
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OR, maybe he was simply able to do better with what he had than Petrino is able to do. The best class Nutt pulled in was the McFadden/Jones class, there there were only two other 4* players in that class. The rest were 3* and 2*. He usually only pulled in 3-4 4* a class. He always made do with what he had, for the most part. If Petrino can't make do, then he needs to just recruit some really good players. Something he hasn't done a good job of at Arkansas.
Over a 10 year span at Ark, Nutt was hovering at .500 in conference games. Subtract Vandy and the Miss schools and his winning percentage is in the .300s.
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Alright, if Arkansas beats Alabama, I guarantee you I will find a gallon of local BBQ sauce that is worthy of being in this bet. Can't be that hard, Memphis is only a few hours.
Old Plantation or if you want mainstream, Sticky Fingers is not bad. Both are in your town. Choo Choo BBQ on Brainerd is also decent.
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Over a 10 year span at Ark, Nutt was hovering at .500 in conference games. Subtract Vandy and the Miss schools and his winning percentage is in the .300s.
Why do we, SEC fans, at once try to pass off the SEC as the strongest conference from top to bottom, then also discount wins against certain conference opponents?
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Why do we, SEC fans, at once try to pass off the SEC as the strongest conference from top to bottom, then also discount wins against certain conference opponents?
Even our patsies are tough for non-SEC programs to handle.
In all groups there exists a hierarchy of sorts. Vandy, MSU and OM are our weak sisters.
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Even our patsies are tough for non-SEC programs to handle.
In all groups there exists a hierarchy of sorts. Vandy, MSU and OM are our weak sisters.
Don't forget Kentucky. If we're counting the Mississippi Schools...
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Even our patsies are tough for non-SEC programs to handle.
In all groups there exists a hierarchy of sorts. Vandy, MSU and OM are our weak sisters.
Vandy aside...Ole Miss, and MSU while not perennial SEC Champ caliber teams in this day and age are ALWAYS a threat to beat even the big boys...and both have more than once in recent years. Every league needs a Vandy.
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Don't forget Kentucky. If we're counting the Mississippi Schools...
Yeah, I left them out because my paraphrased stat ($1 to woopig) never took into account UK.
I've got a pretty good background in Nutt's suckitude from hanging with our porcine friens.
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Over a 10 year span at Ark, Nutt was hovering at .500 in conference games. Subtract Vandy and the Miss schools and his winning percentage is in the .300s.
The two games that we played Vandy in Nutt's tenure, we won one game by two points and lost the other.
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The two games that we played Vandy in Nutt's tenure, we won one game by two points and lost the other.
I know I always defend coaches. I know and understand why Ark. folks despise Nutt despite his record, but I'm going to say and ask this anyway. How does Nutt's record compare to other coaches in Ark. modern history, or for that matter their entire history. He had a 10 win season, three 9 win seasons, and a trip to Atlanta. Ark. hasn't been a national championship threat in my memory. Granted they weren't an SEC team until nearly 20 years ago...relatively recently. Nutt has now produced back to back 9-4 seasons at Ole Miss. Going back he had back to back 11 win seasons at Murray State. When it's all said and done, the football world will count Nutt as a pretty damned fine football coach IMHO. Make fun of his mannerisms if you will, or select a game here and there if that's how you want to define him, but he's pretty damn good.
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I know I always defend coaches. I know and understand why Ark. folks despise Nutt despite his record, but I'm going to say and ask this anyway. How does Nutt's record compare to other coaches in Ark. modern history, or for that matter their entire history. He had a 10 win season, three 9 win seasons, and a trip to Atlanta. Ark. hasn't been a national championship threat in my memory. Granted they weren't an SEC team until nearly 20 years ago...relatively recently. Nutt has now produced back to back 9-4 seasons at Ole Miss. Going back he had back to back 11 win seasons at Murray State. When it's all said and done, the football world will count Nutt as a pretty damned fine football coach IMHO. Make fun of his mannerisms if you will, or select a game here and there if that's how you want to define him, but he's pretty damn good.
He inherited a talent-rich team at Arky and slowly depleted it through awful recruiting.
He inherited a talent-rich team at OM and is rapidly depleting it through even worse recruiting.
The man is by no stretch of anyone's (objective) reasoning a "pretty damn good" corch.
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He inherited a talent-rich team at Arky and slowly depleted it through awful recruiting.
He inherited a talent-rich team at OM and is rapidly depleting it through even worse recruiting.
The man is by no stretch of anyone's (objective) reasoning a "pretty damn good" corch.
I know plenty of objective folks that think he's a good coach. Not great, but good. He had two nine win seasons at Ark in his 5th and 6th seasons at Ark, and won the west in his 9th season with a 10-4 record. Hardly belies depleating the talent with his poor recruiting. He's only going in to year 3 at Ole Miss, and I'd have to say the jury would still be out on the recruiting there, and "talent-rich" at either school is something that is relative. One must take in to account the fact this is ARKAN-FUCKIN'-SAS! Other than Broyles record in the late 50s-early 60s, a different era of college football, Nutt's record at Ark is strong. But you're entitled to your opinion.
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I know plenty of objective folks that think he's a good coach. Not great, but good. He had two nine win seasons at Ark in his 5th and 6th seasons at Ark, and won the west in his 9th season with a 10-4 record. Hardly belies depleating the talent with his poor recruiting. He's only going in to year 3 at Ole Miss, and I'd have to say the jury would still be out on the recruiting there, and "talent-rich" at either school is something that is relative. One must take in to account the fact this is ARKAN-FUCKIN'-SAS! Other than Broyles record in the late 50s-early 60s, a different era of college football, Nutt's record at Ark is strong. But you're entitled to your opinion.
Arky wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination, a talent rich team when Nutt took over. They may have had a winning season or 2 in the previous 10 years, but they sucked balls before Houston Nutt.
Arky fans hate Nutt for the same reason that Ole Miss fans hated Tuberville. He left them for another school in their conference. Nutt wasn't bad at Arkansas. And it's not like Arkansas is that much better than the Mississippi schools. What exactly have they accomplished in the SEC?
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Arky wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination, a talent rich team when Nutt took over. They may have had a winning season or 2 in the previous 10 years, but they sucked balls before Houston Nutt.
I can only go back to 2002 on Rivals, but Ark's classes were ranked between 24th and 31st from 2002-2007. The lowest ranked class came in 2008 at 36th (not fully his class because Nutt left at the end of the 2007 regular season.) His first 2 classes at Ole Miss ranked 29th and 15th. Again, we're talking about rankings of teams such as Ole Miss and Ark. I have to agree too...I can't go back and look at the names Nutt inherited...he inherited a team coming off back to back 4-7 seasons at Ark from Danny Ford. None of the evidence I see indicates he inherited anything but shit, or recruited poorly.
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He's been doing better at "one of the Mississippi schools" than we have (or Arkansas has) these last two years.
Just sayin.
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He's been doing better at "one of the Mississippi schools" than we have (or Arkansas has) these last two years.
Just sayin.
(http://bucf.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/bingo_logo.jpg)
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Don't forget Kentucky. If we're counting the Mississippi Schools...
The same Kentucky that beat AU last season?
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He's been doing better at "one of the Mississippi schools" than we have (or Arkansas has) these last two years.
Just sayin.
With someone else's players.
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Here's some pretty good info about our mediocre program. I think Hurtt did a helluva job researching and putting this together.
http://woopig.net/board/index.php?topic=67244.0 (http://woopig.net/board/index.php?topic=67244.0)
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With someone else's players.
Geez, when you're looking for a reason, any will do.
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The same Kentucky that beat AU last season?
We're speaking overalls. Kentucky is 6-24 against AU.
Speaking in overalls, Kentucky is indeed in the same category at the Mississippi schools, Vandy, South Carolina and Arkansas.
Lower tier.
With someone else's players.
And by someone else, you mean Ed Orgeron. What an esteemed coach.
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Here's some pretty good info about our mediocre program. I think Hurtt did a helluva job researching and putting this together.
http://woopig.net/board/index.php?topic=67244.0 (http://woopig.net/board/index.php?topic=67244.0)
Research, conspiracy theories, history of Southwest conference aside. Here are hard facts.....
Arky against SEC since '92
Before Nutt
18-30-1 .367
With Nutt
42-20 .512
After Nutt
5-11 .312
Maybe Nutt wasn't a "great" coach, but compared to the others.....
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The same Kentucky that beat AU last season?
Yes. I'm saying they're comparable to the MSU that beat Alabama two years in a row in 06 & 07.
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Yes. I'm saying they're comparable to the MSU that beat Alabama two years in a row in 06 & 07.
How do they compare to La Monroe and Utah?
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Yes. I'm saying they're comparable to the MSU that beat Alabama two years in a row in 06 & 07.
I'm filing a petition to have moderating capabilities over my fellow Alabama brethren. I mean, I tried to counter the weak smack attempt with Kentucky's 6-24 record against Auburn, but it wasn't enough.
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Research, conspiracy theories, history of Southwest conference aside. Here are hard facts.....
Arky against SEC since '92
Before Nutt
18-30-1 .367
With Nutt
42-20 .512
After Nutt
5-11 .312
Maybe Nutt wasn't a "great" coach, but compared to the others.....
I look for the .312 to grow.
Nutt wouldn't have won that many games in the last 2 years if he would have stayed.
Bama's record in the 10 years before saban were stellar, right. We have a coach now who is about as far removed from Nutt as Saban is from shula, etc., etc. whoever your last few coaches were.
More Hurtt on Nutt.
http://www.breastfedmoonshine.com/home/2009/08/28/ten-great-myths-9-houston-nutt-did-%E2%80%9Cmore-with-less%E2%80%9D-and-took-the-program-to-a-higher-level/ (http://www.breastfedmoonshine.com/home/2009/08/28/ten-great-myths-9-houston-nutt-did-%E2%80%9Cmore-with-less%E2%80%9D-and-took-the-program-to-a-higher-level/)
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I look for the .312 to grow. No doubt you do.
Nutt wouldn't have won that many games in the last 2 years if he would have stayed. Always good to offer speculation as fact.
Bama's record in the 10 years before saban were stellar, right. We have a coach now who is about as far removed from Nutt as Saban is from shula, etc., etc. whoever your last few coaches were. Time will tell.
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Nutt wouldn't have won that many games in the last 2 years if he would have stayed.
He couldn't have done much worse.
Bama's record in the 10 years before saban were stellar, right.
No, but where does that factor in your argument that Nutt sucked?
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He couldn't have done much worse.
No, but where does that factor in your argument that Nutt sucked?
Would you want to keep a coach for 10 years that had a 50% conference win record? Yall have had some with similar records lately, but you didn't keep them for that long.
Watch his record go down at Ole Miss the longer he stays there. We've seen his show and it was past time for him to get fired when he finally did get it.
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Would you want to keep a coach for 10 years that had a 50% conference win record? Yall have had some with similar records lately, but you didn't keep them for that long.
Watch his record go down at Ole Miss the longer he stays there. We've seen his show and it was past time for him to get fired when he finally did get it.
And he loved the dirty Di.
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boartitz your "Nutt did it with someone else's players" sort of proves my point.
Ford's last 2 season at Ark: 4-7, 4-7
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ark: 9-3, 8-4
Orgeron's 3 seasons at Ole Miss: 3-8, 4-8, 3-9
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ole Miss: 9-4, 9-4
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Would you want to keep a coach for 10 years that had a 50% conference win record? Yall have had some with similar records lately, but you didn't keep them for that long.
Watch his record go down at Ole Miss the longer he stays there. We've seen his show and it was past time for him to get fired when he finally did get it.
I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have been fired, I'm just saying he wasn't/isn't a terrible coach that Arkansas fans make him out to be. The guy won 50% of his conference games, which is MUCH better than what yall had before, and so far, after.
Petrino would have to go 7-1 this year to get to 50% in conference in his 3rd season. Arkansas isn't a fucking power house who's been held down by a shitty coach for the last 10 seasons. That's all I'm saying.
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I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have been fired, I'm just saying he wasn't/isn't a terrible coach that Arkansas fans make him out to be. The guy won 50% of his conference games, which is MUCH better than what yall had before, and so far, after.
Petrino would have to go 7-1 this year to get to 50% in conference in his 3rd season. Arkansas isn't a fucking power house who's been held down by a shitty coach for the last 10 seasons. That's all I'm saying.
This!
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boartitz your "Nutt did it with someone else's players" sort of proves my point.
Ford's last 2 season at Ark: 4-7, 4-7
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ark: 9-3, 8-4
Orgeron's 3 seasons at Ole Miss: 3-8, 4-8, 3-9
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ole Miss: 9-4, 9-4
I agree. We just had to live with another 8 years of his players.
The year we had McFadden,Jones, Hillis and Gus just killed me. That was our year for the taking and that egotistical bastard blew it. That was the year that would have elevated his status in everyones eyes if he wouldn't have pressured out.
We fired Ford's ass after back to back losing season, no matter the talent he was amassing.
Nutt kept his job after back to back losing seasons. First time ever in our football history I'm pretty sure.
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Arky fans hate Nutt for the same reason that Ole Miss fans hated Tuberville. He left them for another school in their conference.
No, they hated him for a few years before he was forced out.
And by someone else, you mean Ed Orgeron. What an esteemed coach.
We're not talking about Yaw Yaw's coaching abilities...only his crootin skillz. Whatever his methods may be, the guy is regarded as an ace recruiter.
boartitz your "Nutt did it with someone else's players" sort of proves my point.
Ford's last 2 season at Ark: 4-7, 4-7
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ark: 9-3, 8-4
Orgeron's 3 seasons at Ole Miss: 3-8, 4-8, 3-9
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ole Miss: 9-4, 9-4
Right...new staff, new excitement almost always translates into better results. The stasis has been broken and hope is springing eternal...for a little while. Then the coach's nature begins to shine through and permeate the program.
Nutt is a charlatan, liar, scoundrel and lazy coach/recruiter. He is the peter principle personified.
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Research, conspiracy theories, history of Southwest conference aside. Here are hard facts.....
Arky against SEC since '92
Before Nutt
18-30-1 .367
With Nutt
42-20 .512
After Nutt
5-11 .312
Maybe Nutt wasn't a "great" coach, but compared to the others.....
should the bolded/underlined figure be .677 and not .512? or am I missing something....
never mind...Nutt's SEC record at arkansas was 42-40 not 42-20
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I agree. We just had to live with another 8 years of his players.
The year we had McFadden,Jones, Hillis and Gus just killed me. That was our year for the taking and that egotistical bastard blew it. That was the year that would have elevated his status in everyones eyes if he wouldn't have pressured out.
We fired Ford's ass after back to back losing season, no matter the talent he was amassing.
Nutt kept his job after back to back losing seasons. First time ever in our football history I'm pretty sure.
I'll reiterate this point...Ark had it's day in the sun in a different era, in a different conference. Ken Hatfield had a nice run in the SWC...while TX was largely mediocre.
Nutt used his players to also have 2 9 win seasons, and a 10 win season with a trip to Atl. This far, in this current era of SEC football, Ark's ONLY trip to Atl for any type of championship. Maybe Nutt's time had run there...like Tubs did at Auburn, but you're being dishonest to fail to recognize or acknowledge what he did accomplish. Your buddy Hurtt spent a lot of time to do what amounts to a hack job on Nutt. If he thinks Ark is on equal footing with the rest of the SEC in regards to recruiting, he's delusional. That whole myth/rebuttal things seems to insinuate that Ark., but for Nutt, would be competing for the SEC and BCS titles during that period. Maybe that's not what it means, but the fact remains, you can speculate all you want...Nutt's overall record is pretty good at Ark, and when you factor in it was in the SEC during a period when the SEC won all the BCS titles it has, not to mention Auburn's run through the mid 2000s...I'll wager that on the whole, Petrino won't better it significantly, if at all.
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How about some cold, hard facts?
Nutt’s Career Record at Arkansas:
75-48 (.610) overall record
15-25 (.375) vs. Top 25 teams
5-14 (.263) vs. Top 10 teams
44-45 (.494) in games where Nutt could not choose his opponent (conference & bowl games)
31-3 (.912) in games where Nutt could choose his opponent (losses: Texas, USC & USC)
2-1 (.667) vs. Texas
2-5 overall bowl record [Wes's note: these were usually very low-level bowls; Las Vegas, Independence, etc]
Zero SEC Championships
Zero BCS bowl appearances
Zero National Championships
Nutt’s SEC Conference Record at Arkansas
42-40 (.525) overall SEC record
30-21 (.588) vs. SEC West teams
12-19 (.387) vs. SEC East teams
26-36 (.419) vs. SEC teams without “Mississippi” in their name
Alabama: 5-5 (.500)
Auburn: 5-5 (.500)
Florida: 0-3 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Georgia: 0-5 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Kentucky: 2-3 (.400)
LSU: 4-6 (.400)
Mississippi: 7-3 (.700)
Mississippi State: 9-1 (.900)
South Carolina: 7-3 (.700)
Tennessee: 2-5 (.286)
Vanderbilt: 1-1 (.500)
Nutt's SEC Conference record by season:
1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4
2000: 3-5
2001: 4-4
2002: 5-4
2003: 4-4
2004: 3-5
2005: 2-6
2006: 7-2
2007: 4-4
TOTAL: 42-40
Number of SEC teams Nutt had a winning record against:
3 of 11 (Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina)
Number of seasons Nutt had a winning SEC record:
3 of 10 (1998, 2002, 2006)
Number of seasons Nutt’s first SEC loss is followed by another SEC loss: 10 of 10 (every season… 10 years in a row).
Number of seasons Nutt lost 3 SEC games in a row:
6 of 10 (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2007)
3-7 vs. non-SEC BCS teams, and 45-47 overall BCS record
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should the bolded/underlined figure be .677 and not .512? or am I missing something
No, it should be 42-40. Not 42-20. I zigged when I should have zagged.
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How about some cold, hard facts?
Nutt’s Career Record at Arkansas:
75-48 (.610) overall record
15-25 (.375) vs. Top 25 teams
5-14 (.263) vs. Top 10 teams
44-45 (.494) in games where Nutt could not choose his opponent (conference & bowl games)
31-3 (.912) in games where Nutt could choose his opponent (losses: Texas, USC & USC)
2-1 (.667) vs. Texas
2-5 overall bowl record [Wes's note: these were usually very low-level bowls; Las Vegas, Independence, etc]
Zero SEC Championships
Zero BCS bowl appearances
Zero National Championships
Nutt’s SEC Conference Record at Arkansas
42-40 (.525) overall SEC record
30-21 (.588) vs. SEC West teams
12-19 (.387) vs. SEC East teams
26-36 (.419) vs. SEC teams without “Mississippi” in their name
Alabama: 5-5 (.500)
Auburn: 5-5 (.500)
Florida: 0-3 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Georgia: 0-5 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Kentucky: 2-3 (.400)
LSU: 4-6 (.400)
Mississippi: 7-3 (.700)
Mississippi State: 9-1 (.900)
South Carolina: 7-3 (.700)
Tennessee: 2-5 (.286)
Vanderbilt: 1-1 (.500)
Nutt's SEC Conference record by season:
1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4
2000: 3-5
2001: 4-4
2002: 5-4
2003: 4-4
2004: 3-5
2005: 2-6
2006: 7-2
2007: 4-4
TOTAL: 42-40
Number of SEC teams Nutt had a winning record against:
3 of 11 (Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina)
Number of seasons Nutt had a winning SEC record:
3 of 10 (1998, 2002, 2006)
Number of seasons Nutt’s first SEC loss is followed by another SEC loss: 10 of 10 (every season… 10 years in a row).
Number of seasons Nutt lost 3 SEC games in a row:
6 of 10 (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2007)
3-7 vs. non-SEC BCS teams, and 45-47 overall BCS record
I've honestly tried to stay away from my next comment, but you've forced my hand.
That is damn good coaching for Arkansas.....maybe the best they'll get.
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How about some cold, hard facts?
Nutt’s Career Record at Arkansas:
75-48 (.610) overall record
15-25 (.375) vs. Top 25 teams
5-14 (.263) vs. Top 10 teams
44-45 (.494) in games where Nutt could not choose his opponent (conference & bowl games)
31-3 (.912) in games where Nutt could choose his opponent (losses: Texas, USC & USC)
2-1 (.667) vs. Texas
2-5 overall bowl record [Wes's note: these were usually very low-level bowls; Las Vegas, Independence, etc]
Zero SEC Championships
Zero BCS bowl appearances
Zero National Championships
Nutt’s SEC Conference Record at Arkansas
42-40 (.525) overall SEC record
30-21 (.588) vs. SEC West teams
12-19 (.387) vs. SEC East teams
26-36 (.419) vs. SEC teams without “Mississippi” in their name
Alabama: 5-5 (.500)
Auburn: 5-5 (.500)
Florida: 0-3 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Georgia: 0-5 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Kentucky: 2-3 (.400)
LSU: 4-6 (.400)
Mississippi: 7-3 (.700)
Mississippi State: 9-1 (.900)
South Carolina: 7-3 (.700)
Tennessee: 2-5 (.286)
Vanderbilt: 1-1 (.500)
Nutt's SEC Conference record by season:
1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4
2000: 3-5
2001: 4-4
2002: 5-4
2003: 4-4
2004: 3-5
2005: 2-6
2006: 7-2
2007: 4-4
TOTAL: 42-40
Number of SEC teams Nutt had a winning record against:
3 of 11 (Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina)
Number of seasons Nutt had a winning SEC record:
3 of 10 (1998, 2002, 2006)
Number of seasons Nutt’s first SEC loss is followed by another SEC loss: 10 of 10 (every season… 10 years in a row).
Number of seasons Nutt lost 3 SEC games in a row:
6 of 10 (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2007)
3-7 vs. non-SEC BCS teams, and 45-47 overall BCS record
Number of seasons Nutt coached at ARKANSAS- 10.
Number of seasons Nutt did as well as OR better than any other coach could within he SEC at ARKANSAS- 10
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I've honestly tried to stay away from my next comment, but you've forced my hand.
That is damn good coaching for Arkansas.....maybe the best they'll get.
No, that is mediocre coaching. With their facilities, monopoly on DI competition in-state and access to mid-west recruiting areas, they have much more potential than Nutt fulfilled.
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Number of seasons Nutt coached at ARKANSAS- 10.
Number of seasons Nutt did as well as OR better than any other coach could within he SEC at ARKANSAS- 10
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Nutt was retained long past his viable shelf-life due to the protection of Broyles.
If you're saying that Arky should just shut up and accept it because they'll never be better, then we'll just have to disagree.
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No, it should be 42-40. Not 42-20. I zigged when I should have zagged.
yeah, np..........figured it out......just a small typo.....sorry for even bringing it up....as the point was still made. :bar:
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No, they hated him for a few years before he was forced out.
We're not talking about Yaw Yaw's coaching abilities...only his crootin skillz. Whatever his methods may be, the guy is regarded as an ace recruiter.
Right...new staff, new excitement almost always translates into better results. The stasis has been broken and hope is springing eternal...for a little while. Then the coach's nature begins to shine through and permeate the program.
Nutt is a charlatan, liar, scoundrel and lazy coach/recruiter. He is the peter principle personified.
Right! Like I said, you can twist anything, even the postive, to make it a negative, if you want to see it that way.
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No, that is mediocre coaching. With their facilities, monopoly on DI competition in-state and access to mid-west recruiting areas, they have much more potential than Nutt fulfilled.
Yet Nutt performed better than any other coach at Arkansas while in the SEC. Petrino hasn't lit up the SEC since taking over the job, and his recruiting seems to be worse.
So again, maybe Nutt is as good as Arkansas can hope for.
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No, that is mediocre coaching. With their facilities, monopoly on DI competition in-state and access to mid-west recruiting areas, they have much more potential than Nutt fulfilled.
To sort of steal your previous theme....not according to most rational minded football fans I know.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. Nutt was retained long past his viable shelf-life due to the protection of Broyles.
If you're saying that Arky should just shut up and accept it because they'll never be better, then we'll just have to disagree.
I think if I agreed with you about Ark's potential, I'd also agree with you about Nutt...I don't.
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No, that is mediocre coaching. With their facilities, monopoly on DI competition in-state and access to mid-west recruiting areas, they have much more potential than Nutt fulfilled.
I think Nutt was the weakest link. We'll see what the future brings with Petrino. I see him as being very businesslike in his job. He ain't no dummy, either.
I can see us winning at least 5 conference games consistently with Petrino from this year on. He is the anti-Nutt. His teams will improve the longer he stays.
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I think Nutt was the weakest link. We'll see what the future brings with Petrino. I see him as being very businesslike in his job. He ain't no dummy, either.
I can see us winning at least 5 conference games consistently with Petrino from this year on. He is the anti-Nutt. His teams will improve the longer he stays.
Well, it would be my opinion that, since numbers mean nothing here to the Nutt haters, that Petrino would basically have to win an SEC title to better Nutt. I'm here to be the first to take any bets from those that think that will happen.
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Petrino hasn't lit up the SEC since taking over the job, and his recruiting seems to be worse.
The Arky depth chart as it existed upon Petrino's arrival would make you vomit.
Petrino's been busy filling holes instead of chasing starz.
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I think if I agreed with you about Ark's potential, I'd also agree with you about Nutt...I don't.
Well, there ya go. End of discussion.
I can't look at Nutt's numbers and call him anything better than mediocre on his finest day.
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Well, it would be my opinion that, since numbers mean nothing here to the Nutt haters, that Petrino would basically have to win an SEC title to better Nutt. I'm here to be the first to take any bets from those that think that will happen.
If you give Petrino the same decade-long timetable, I'll take that bet.
Bet is off if Petrino is gone before 10 years expire.
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If you give Petrino the same decade-long timetable, I'll take that bet.
Bet is off if Petrino is gone before 10 years expire.
I'll bet you that by his 5th season Petrino hasn't bettered Nutt's best SEC or season record at Ark, and that he has no more wins at Ark that Nutt has at Ole Miss. I'm not sure what you think Ark's potential is, but I would hope you'd agree that since they're very comparable programs with regard to state size, etc, you do agree they have more potential than Ole Miss due to having the state basically all to themselves in Ark. In theory, they should be better. They won't be, I'll wager.
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I'll bet you that by his 5th season Petrino hasn't bettered Nutt's best SEC or season record at Ark, and that he has no more wins at Ark that Nutt has at Ole Miss. I'm not sure what you think Ark's potential is, but I would hope you'd agree that since they're very comparable programs with regard to state size, etc, you do agree they have more potential than Ole Miss due to having the state basically all to themselves in Ark. In theory, they should be better. They won't be, I'll wager.
Nice crawfish.
So, you're yanking your original wager off the table?
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The Arky depth chart as it existed upon Petrino's arrival would make you vomit.
Petrino's been busy filling holes instead of chasing starz.
And Nutt inherited a talent laden Ark. team that had gone 8-14 the previous 2 seasons? What about all that new staff and excitement jazz when I posted Nutt's record vs. the coaches he took over from? You see how you can taylor the argument however you think it best fits your agenda?
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Nice crawfish.
So, you're yanking your original wager off the table?
Nope, Petrino won't win the SEC within 10 years. Just also making a bet with a quicker vesting time.
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And Nutt inherited a talent laden Ark. team that had gone 8-14 the previous 2 seasons? What about all that new staff and excitement jazz when I posted Nutt's record vs. the coaches he took over from? You see how you can taylor the argument however you think it best fits your agenda?
If you read it again, I was agreeing that Nutt's first two years at his new jobs result in better than normal results. Then he gets back to his mediocre ways.
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If you read it again, I was agreeing that Nutt's first two years at his new jobs result in better than normal results. Then he gets back to his mediocre ways.
Ok, then how do you rationalize away his two trips to Atlanta with teams sporting 100% Nutt croots?
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Have to call it a day for the posting here. Toodles, and enjoy the weekend.
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Ok, then how do you rationalize away his two trips to Atlanta with teams sporting 100% Nutt croots?
Not rationalizing anything.
One of those trips to ATL was by default. Nutt didn't "win" his way there.
He lived and died on one or two impact players. He cannot construct a "team".
His tenure in F'ville was prolonged thanks to Matt Jones and then Darren McFadden.
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Orville Henry: Loose ends about search for UA coach
BACKGROUND: Houston Nutt, the new Arkansas coach, explains that he transferred to OSU after the 1977 season, his second at Arkansas, so he could play more. So what does he say to the No. 2 or No. 3 Arkansas quarterback who decides he might disregard loyalty and take the same route for the same reason? What does he say if the athlete does transfer without telling his Arkansas coach, which is how he, Houston, did it?
Actually, there is more OSU Cowboy in Houston's background, playing and coaching, than there is Arkansas Razorback.
BUSINESS: There is nothing in this situation about Arkansas needing to do something for someone else. This is a business matter, simple and brutal. Arkansas needs a job done for its football program, immediately, professionally. To heck with friendships. Make enemies, if necessary, but acquire the man who has proved himself at this level, and win, and now. That has always been Arkansas' mode of operation. Hiring to try to sell tickets has proved to be a failure every time. Win, and Arkansas fans will respond.
Arkansas now has an array of quarterbacks, without which there is nothing, and running backs on campus with others available, and excellent prospects as linebackers. Those are the people you win with (although who can overlook linemen and defensive backs?)
We need a hired gun -- not people with youthful enthusiasm asked to see if they can make it at the highest level of their profession, from almost the lowest. As Joe Kines told us, the SEC is where, "They'll slit your throats and drink your blood." And that is true, we now know.
And that is why, when it became obvious a change would be made, I submitted in a column the name of Tommy Tuberville, the Ole Miss coach. This was done for one reason only. Of all the obvious candidates, only Tuberville had, was doing all the things, against the same SEC competition, that Arkansas desperately needed to top off a program thought to be on the rise. His Ole Miss teams looked like they'd been coached by Frank Broyles, Jimmy Johnson, et. al., in the good ole days.
Understand this: I don't really know Tuberville. I've talked to him, communicated with him only three times, which has been after the three Arkansas-Ole Miss games he's been involved in. Nothing but the game has ever been mentioned at those times. No friendship. No hero worship. Just knowledge that he was the man Arkansas needed to finish off what Danny Ford had started.
THE SITUATION: The people inside the Broyles building kept reminding writers, much-quoted players, etc., that Nutt had appeared early (with an entourage supplied from Little Rock) and proved how much he wanted the job, and how about that wonderful reception? (Well-orchestrated, of course).
The coaches who should have been 1-2-3 (Tuberville, Davis, the Tulane Bowden) not only could not travel to Fayetteville, they had to tell the people back home how little interest they had in the job. Boise State is not a job you worry about. Millions are at stake in the bigger positions. Nutt took no chances in visiting. The others would have.
FURIOUS: Also, my best wishes and congratulations to Houston Dale Nutt, whom I've watched from his days as a toddler. He is not to blame because he has this very exciting, demanding job. It is to his credit, and now he needs everyone's help. He knows that I have always been fair to the head coach and that I will be still.
I've covered the Arkansas football program since 1943, a long time. My readers know that, if no one else has, I have represented Arkansas fans from then until now. The program belongs to them. They need to be told when the program is being run properly, and when it is not. When people at the top mess up, I am furious.
I am furious.
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Old Plantation or if you want mainstream, Sticky Fingers is not bad. Both are in your town. Choo Choo BBQ on Brainerd is also decent.
I had a minor addiction from years 2001-present on Old Plantation. I worked near there and ate there almost every day. It may be the only place I've never gotten tired of.
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Ask 100 random people outside of the southeast if they know who Bear Bryant is. Then ask the same 100 people if they know who Bo Jackson is.
See who more people consider "iconic".
You can not be serious. There's no possible way more people would think Bo Jackson, regardless of his college and pro careers, is more iconic than Bear Bryant. No possible way and it's not even close.
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You can not be serious. There's no possible way more people would think Bo Jackson, regardless of his college and pro careers, is more iconic than Bear Bryant. No possible way and it's not even close.
Bammer Kool-Aide is a powerful drug.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LwH&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22bear+bryant%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LwH&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22bear+bryant%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 231,000 results (half of which are from rollbamaroll and bleacherreport)
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=%22bear+bryant%22+icon&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=abb01c78b666a2d (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=%22bear+bryant%22+icon&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=abb01c78b666a2d)
About 436,000 results.
I'd say Bo is roughly twice as popular as the Bahr outside of the bammer bubble.
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Bammer Kool-Aide is a powerful drug.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LwH&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22bear+bryant%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LwH&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22bear+bryant%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 231,000 results (half of which are from rollbamaroll and bleacherreport)
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=%22bear+bryant%22+icon&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=abb01c78b666a2d (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=%22bear+bryant%22+icon&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=abb01c78b666a2d)
About 436,000 results.
I'd say Bo is roughly twice as popular as the Bahr outside of the bammer bubble.
That's gonna leave a mark.
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Bammer Kool-Aide is a powerful drug.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LwH&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22bear+bryant%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LwH&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22bear+bryant%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 231,000 results (half of which are from rollbamaroll and bleacherreport)
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=%22bear+bryant%22+icon&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=abb01c78b666a2d (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=%22bear+bryant%22+icon&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=abb01c78b666a2d)
About 436,000 results.
I'd say Bo is roughly twice as popular as the Bahr outside of the bammer bubble.
So Bo's more "Iconic" because there are more google pages when typing his name?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uBI&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22william+hung%22&aq=f&aqi=g3g-c1g3g-c1g2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uBI&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22william+hung%22&aq=f&aqi=g3g-c1g3g-c1g2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 533,000 results
So William Hung is more iconic than the Bear and Bo?
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You can not be serious. There's no possible way more people would think Bo Jackson, regardless of his college and pro careers, is more iconic than Bear Bryant. No possible way and it's not even close.
It will depend on your sample.
Hard core college football fans over the age of 30, they know Bahr.
Hard core college football fans under the age of 30, they know Bahr....as some sort of hazy historical figure. Call him the Knute Rockne of the kids.
Outside of hard core college football fans, you're going to find an ever dwindling population of people who know much at all about Bahr.
Like it or not, Bo was one of the first superstar athletes (by "superstar athlete" I mean athletes with the Nike marketing machine behind them). Many more people know Bo than do Bahr.
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The Arky depth chart as it existed upon Petrino's arrival would make you vomit.
Petrino's been busy filling holes instead of chasing starz.
Bullshit. MAYBE the depth chart would make one vomit, but he has still signed 27 skill position players in his first two classes. Saban AND Chizik both had to fill depth charts that would make one vomit when taking their jobs and they were BOTH able to do so while signing top recruits.
I realize you are an Arkansas apologists, but Petrino isn't doing any better than Nutt did on the recruiting trail. And he's done worse on the field.
Nutt wasn't/isn't a bad coach. Maybe he isn't the best, but he damn sure has more to show for than any coach walking the sidelines at Arkansas since they stepped into the big boy league. Petrino included. I don't see him winning 7 SEC games this fall, so after his 3rd season, he's still most likely going to be below 50% in conference.
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Going by AUChizad's method, these people are also more "iconic" than Bear Bryant and Bo Jackson...
Joe Namath
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uHJ&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22joe+namath%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uHJ&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22joe+namath%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 521,000 results
Nick Saban
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=SJJ&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22nick+saban%22&aq=f&aqi=g6g-s1g3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=SJJ&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22nick+saban%22&aq=f&aqi=g6g-s1g3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 478,000 results
Lane Kiffin
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=pKJ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=CEElTJ-CJYWglAfn56nIAw&ved=0CCkQBSgA&q=%22lane+kiffin%22&spell=1 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=pKJ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=CEElTJ-CJYWglAfn56nIAw&ved=0CCkQBSgA&q=%22lane+kiffin%22&spell=1)
About 557,000 results
Alexi Lalas (yes, a US soccer player from the 90's is apparently more iconic than Bear Bryant and Bo Jackson
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=0iy&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22alexi+lalas%22&aq=f&aqi=g2g-c1g7&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=0iy&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22alexi+lalas%22&aq=f&aqi=g2g-c1g7&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 467,000 results
Ba Ba Booey
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=j7d&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22ba+ba+booey%22&aq=f&aqi=g9&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=j7d&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22ba+ba+booey%22&aq=f&aqi=g9&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 670,000 results
Al Davis
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ruy&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22al+davis%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ruy&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22al+davis%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 458,000 results
New Kids on the Block
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=hFe&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22new+kids+on+the+block%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=hFe&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22new+kids+on+the+block%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 2,410,000 results
Gossip columnist Perez Hilton
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=KcJ&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Perez+hilton%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=KcJ&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Perez+hilton%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
About 6,970,000 results
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Bullshit. MAYBE the depth chart would make one vomit, but he has still signed 27 skill position players in his first two classes. Saban AND Chizik both had to fill depth charts that would make one vomit when taking their jobs and they were BOTH able to do so while signing top recruits.
I realize you are an Arkansas apologists, but Petrino isn't doing any better than Nutt did on the recruiting trail. And he's done worse on the field.
Nutt wasn't/isn't a bad coach. Maybe he isn't the best, but he damn sure has more to show for than any coach walking the sidelines at Arkansas since they stepped into the big boy league. Petrino included. I don't see him winning 7 SEC games this fall, so after his 3rd season, he's still most likely going to be below 50% in conference.
Maybe yall can hire Nutt when Saban leaves Bama. I'd like to see yall have him. He was recruited by the Bahr out of high school.
I would jack off two times a day, every day if yall hired him.
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Well, there ya go. End of discussion.
I can't look at Nutt's numbers and call him anything better than mediocre on his finest day.
What we are trying to say is, our mediocre = Arkansas' best. Nobody is saying that Nutt should get a coach of the millenium award. Relative to Arkansas' standards, that's about as good as it gets. It's the same type of argument some made for Chizik and ISU. Of course if you took those numbers and plugged them in to UF, UA, AU, etc, he would be on the hot seat. If Petrino was THAT good of a coach, he would make do. As Token noted, Saban and Chizik both had to do it. Chizik was doing it with a few walk-ons as starters. Saban had a 5 man LB corps to work with, with I think one or two of those guys being converted from some other position, for example. While things were a little rocky in 07 for Saban, I think everybody can agree he made it work.....quick. Petrino isn't showing anything worth noting. I still would like my previous question to boartitz answered; what pieces of the puzzle does Arky have now that they haven't had the past 2 seasons that is all of a sudden going to make them competitive this season?
And Arkansas doesn't have a monopoly on shit in-state. They might have some nice facilities and stuff, but seriously, is a highly talented in-state star going to go to Oklahoma, or Arkansas? Texas, or Arkansas? There are many border states who absolutely rape them of any talent they might have. Nobody wants to live in Arkansas.
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Wes, I'm not trying to take anything away from Bo, my God the guy was the best. That doesn't come off as "iconic" though. We talked about this a couple years ago how Auburn really doesn't have a "face" of the program. I think you can be as physically great as Bo Jackson was, and as marketed as Jackson was and not be labeled an icon.
This is obviously only my opinion and I'm sure that I bring with it a bias. Bo very well may be more popular nationally, as in people know who he is, but people knowing who a person is doesn't then mean he's an icon. There's a lot of people who are more popular than Bo Jackson or Paul Brant that in no way are remotely considered to be icons.
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Forget about all the nutt/arky shit. It's in the passed.BMFP is gonna carry us to places we ain't been. Deal wif it.
May be this year.
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What we are trying to say is, our mediocre = Arkansas' best. Nobody is saying that Nutt should get a coach of the millenium award. Relative to Arkansas' standards, that's about as good as it gets. It's the same type of argument some made for Chizik and ISU. Of course if you took those numbers and plugged them in to UF, UA, AU, etc, he would be on the hot seat. If Petrino was THAT good of a coach, he would make do. As Token noted, Saban and Chizik both had to do it. Chizik was doing it with a few walk-ons as starters. Saban had a 5 man LB corps to work with, with I think one or two of those guys being converted from some other position, for example. While things were a little rocky in 07 for Saban, I think everybody can agree he made it work.....quick. Petrino isn't showing anything worth noting. I still would like my previous question to boartitz answered; what pieces of the puzzle does Arky have now that they haven't had the past 2 seasons that is all of a sudden going to make them competitive this season?
And Arkansas doesn't have a monopoly on shit in-state. They might have some nice facilities and stuff, but seriously, is a highly talented in-state star going to go to Oklahoma, or Arkansas? Texas, or Arkansas? There are many border states who absolutely rape them of any talent they might have. Nobody wants to live in Arkansas.
Nutt was 5-5 against Bammer. Seems like our mediocre equals what yall had. Keep your ass out of Arkansas. We damn sure don't need you living here. Stereotypes and shit. Mostly from transient types.
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This is gonna be a fun season for us. We're going after Saban this year.
Diss Petrino all yall want. What's yall's record against him? Or Saban? An enemy of my enemy is my friend.
How in the fuck can you Auburn hands classify us as mediocre when you have never beaten us during the current regime without denigrating your own school's system?
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You can not be serious. There's no possible way more people would think Bo Jackson, regardless of his college and pro careers, is more iconic than Bear Bryant. No possible way and it's not even close.
Yeah...I am going to have to disagree with you there. Big time.
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Now Bob Jackson who is this guy? Is he related to Michael Jackson? Bahr Brent didn't he set off the earthquake in LSU because of a slam dunk or something?
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This is gonna be a fun season for us. We're going after Saban this year.
Diss Petrino all yall want. What's yall's record against him? Or Saban? An enemy of my enemy is my friend.
How in the fuck can you Auburn hands classify us as mediocre when you have never beaten us during the current regime without denigrating your own school's system?
Again, I ask just what Arky has this season that it didn't have the past two when Alabama beat their brains in? What magical missing piece of the puzzle do you guys now possess? What does Arky have now that is going to reverse this trend all of a sudden? Saban has Petrino figured out, bottom line. You guys have one hell of a QB, and still get destroyed.
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Again, I ask just what Arky has this season that it didn't have the past two when Alabama beat their brains in? What magical missing piece of the puzzle do you guys now possess? What does Arky have now that is going to reverse this trend all of a sudden? Saban has Petrino figured out, bottom line. You guys have one hell of a QB, and still get destroyed.
More experience. Better depth. More guys that Petrino recruited to fill in the holes left by Nutt.
I think last year's NC team was the only one that destroyed us last year. We will put a much improved product on the field this year.
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Wes, I'm not trying to take anything away from Bo, my God the guy was the best. That doesn't come off as "iconic" though. We talked about this a couple years ago how Auburn really doesn't have a "face" of the program. I think you can be as physically great as Bo Jackson was, and as marketed as Jackson was and not be labeled an icon.
This is obviously only my opinion and I'm sure that I bring with it a bias. Bo very well may be more popular nationally, as in people know who he is, but people knowing who a person is doesn't then mean he's an icon. There's a lot of people who are more popular than Bo Jackson or Paul Brant that in no way are remotely considered to be icons.
This sounds like someone trying to convince himself that the duck in front of him is actually a lion, even though it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
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This sounds like someone trying to convince himself that the duck in front of him is actually a lion, even though it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
We agree then. I believe we both think Bo Jackson clearly looks like a duck. Wait, what?
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More experience. Better depth. More guys that Petrino recruited to fill in the holes left by Nutt.
I think last year's NC team was the only one that destroyed us last year. We will put a much improved product on the field this year.
I'm only speaking in the context of Arkansas vs. Alabama. You know, you're only going to be able to blame Nutt for so long. This season is pretty much it, as it will be Petrino's third season. Like I said before, Saban simply has Petrino figured out. At least when Nutt was there, you knew it would be a win or at least close.
Keep whistling past the graveyard, titz. I don't mind Alabama beating the shit out of you guys the next few seasons.
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If you think Houston Nutt is half the coach that Bobby Petrino is, I'll take a kilo of what you're smoking.
Saban had it figured out the last two games that we didn't have the manpower on the field to stay with yall.
Houston Nutt left our team depleted, especially on defense. He knew when to get the hell out and leave that mess to someone else.
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If you think Houston Nutt is half the coach that Bobby Petrino is, I'll take a kilo of what you're smoking.
Saban had it figured out the last two games that we didn't have the manpower on the field to stay with yall.
Houston Nutt left our team depleted, especially on defense. He knew when to get the hell out and leave that mess to someone else.
Please don't tell me that all Arkansas fans are as oblivious as you. For being such a sorry coach, Nutt seems to be doing ok at Ole Miss. Orgeron may have been a good recruiter, but don't tell me he left that program in good shape.
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Please don't tell me that all Arkansas fans are as oblivious as you. For being such a sorry coach, Nutt seems to be doing ok at Ole Miss. Orgeron may have been a good recruiter, but don't tell me he left that program in good shape.
Not all Arkansas fans think like me on the subject.
The real idiot Nutt hugger fans share your point of view.
Sit back and watch our program vs Ole Miss's program for the next couple of years. That will give both coaches time to get THEIR teams in place. Then see who you would rather have as a coach.
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Not all Arkansas fans think like me on the subject.
The real idiot Nutt hugger fans share your point of view.
Sit back and watch our program vs Ole Miss's program for the next couple of years. That will give both coaches time to get THEIR teams in place. Then see who you would rather have as a coach.
If I had to pick between the two, I would pick Nutt every day, and twice on Saturdays. Nutt is a defensive minded coach, fields a mentally tough team, and regardless of his quirkiness, he can get the job done. Give credit to Nutt AND Petrino that coaching at Arkansas isn't the easiest place in the world to coach at. But like I've said before, you have to make do.
Petrino worked out well at Louisville, sure, but that was the Big East. This is the SEC. He's recruiting like he's still at Louisville. That shit is not going to cut it in the SEC. And guess what? He's never been known as that great of a recruiter either. I know I can tell you until I'm blue in the face, and it won't matter. I'm going to believe what I'm going to believe, and so will you. Maybe you just hated Nutt so much that you can't, or refuse to see what's coming down the pipe. I mean, it's so much easier to blame the guy that left, isn't it?
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If I had to pick between the two, I would pick Nutt every day, and twice on Saturdays. Nutt is a defensive minded coach, fields a mentally tough team, and regardless of his quirkiness, he can get the job done. Give credit to Nutt AND Petrino that coaching at Arkansas isn't the easiest place in the world to coach at. But like I've said before, you have to make do.
Petrino worked out well at Louisville, sure, but that was the Big East. This is the SEC. He's recruiting like he's still at Louisville. That shit is not going to cut it in the SEC. And guess what? He's never been known as that great of a recruiter either. I know I can tell you until I'm blue in the face, and it won't matter. I'm going to believe what I'm going to believe, and so will you. Maybe you just hated Nutt so much that you can't, or refuse to see what's coming down the pipe. I mean, it's so much easier to blame the guy that left, isn't it?
I cannot fucking believe Im in 100% agreement w/ you on Nutt! FUCK ME!
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I cannot fucking believe Im in 100% agreement w/ you on Nutt! FUCK ME!
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Oh, there is some blindness around here. But it isn't me or JR.
It's scary that you describe what Petrino is doing as filling in the holes and stocking the cupboard with talent. Mallett is about all you got, and he simply doesn't have the supporting cast. What do you think is going to happen when he leaves? It certainly isn't going to get any better.
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Here's another addition for this year.
Bama didn't offer Bobby Humphrey's kid? Really?
I guess yall didn't need him.
http://highschoolsports.al.com/news/article/-8541767907377354472/birmingham-news-metro-athlete-of-the-year-hoovers-maudrecus-humphrey/ (http://highschoolsports.al.com/news/article/-8541767907377354472/birmingham-news-metro-athlete-of-the-year-hoovers-maudrecus-humphrey/)
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Here's another addition for this year.
Bama didn't offer Bobby Humphrey's kid? Really?
I guess yall didn't need him.
http://highschoolsports.al.com/news/article/-8541767907377354472/birmingham-news-metro-athlete-of-the-year-hoovers-maudrecus-humphrey/ (http://highschoolsports.al.com/news/article/-8541767907377354472/birmingham-news-metro-athlete-of-the-year-hoovers-maudrecus-humphrey/)
Only five stars baby. Saban is that good! :bamahomer:
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http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/6/23/1531887/expect-war-in-fayetteville (http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/6/23/1531887/expect-war-in-fayetteville)
If you're skeert, say you're skeert.
Some of these bammers are a lot smarter than most of the bammer crowd here.
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http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/6/23/1531887/expect-war-in-fayetteville (http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/6/23/1531887/expect-war-in-fayetteville)
If you're skeert, say you're skeert.
Some of these bammers are a lot smarter than most of the bammer crowd here.
Until Petrino can average more than 2.5 wins a year against SEC competition, STFU. Nobody is scared of Petrino, nobody gives a damn about Arkansas. Maybe Arky will be better. Maybe not. Until you motherfuckers can prove something on the field, quit expecting everyone to quiver at the thought of playing your shitty team.
For fuck's sake...
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Until Petrino can average more than 2.5 wins a year against SEC competition, STFU. Nobody is scared of Petrino, nobody gives a damn about Arkansas. Maybe Arky will be better. Maybe not. Until you motherphukers can prove something on the field, quit expecting everyone to quiver at the thought of playing your poopty team.
For phuk's sake...
I would say Token is not scared.
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I must have hit a nerve.
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Petrino = better X's and O's coach, will attract more skill players
Nutt = better motivator, did more with less
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I would say Token is not scared.
Assured even.
I smell a bet involving the digestion of a hat.
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Assured even.
I smell a bet involving the digestion of a hat.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B6J6nGs6VwA/SKme0zdeooI/AAAAAAAAFP4/Tv1MUw8atcg/s320/Eugenia+Kim+houndstooth+earflap+hat+blueflycom.jpg)
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B6J6nGs6VwA/SKme0zdeooI/AAAAAAAAFP4/Tv1MUw8atcg/s320/Eugenia+Kim+houndstooth+earflap+hat+blueflycom.jpg)
Take off, eh.
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I must have hit a nerve.
It's just that nobody can figure out where the hell you are getting your assumptions from, other than blind homerism. I mean, you're sitting here citing a true freshmen that hasn't even been on campus a month (who is from Alabama and didn't even get an offer from UA or AU, which means alot when you're from Alabama) as one of the "missing pieces" of the puzzle. It would be one thing if it was Dyer, or some other kid that is a proven insanely talented recruit. You remind me of our fans who claimed Shula was recruiting so well when he was at Alabama, and were doing so out of blindness.
Petrino has shown that he can do what any mediocre coach in the country can do; win the games he should win, lose the games he should lose, and get lucky once or twice in between. Sure, he improved from 5-7 in his first season to 8-5 in 09, but what exactly did that earn you guys? Tied for last in the West. And if Petrino keeps recruiting like he's still in the Big East, that's where Arkansas will stay. Token hit the nail on the head. Nobody is scared of Petrino. Alabama certainly isn't. Arkansas is right in there with UK, Vandy, and MSU.
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Petrino = better X's and O's coach, will attract more skill players
Nutt = better motivator, did more with less
I think I might agree with that.
Bottom line. To hate on Nutt, as Wes and boartitz have you have to pick the snapshots out of his career and arrange them to suit your agenda, and you have to start by believing Ark. has as much potential as any other top tier SEC program. As I've said, IMHO, they don't, and there's nothing to suggest they do.
Those that have decided a coach sucks will usually do as they've done here and give the coach ZERO credit for his wins, good seasons, etc. and assign him all the blame for anything negative.
Like:
"He won with another coach's players" - Despite the fact that the previous coach didn't win with them, Nutt gets not credit for his early success at either Ark. or Ole Miss in their eyes.
"New staff, new attitude equals early wins...the real Nutt eventually shows up." - Can basically be said about any coach and staff.
"He didn't 'win' anything, he had McFadden and Jones, not a complete team". - After railing on how he ran the program in to the ground due to sorry recruiting, and can't coach but won with another coach's players, he's given no credit for the players he got, or coaching them to their best season(s), because they were star players...the kind that every coach dreams of to make his team better. And we all know you don't coach players like McFadden and Jones, you just send them out on the field and tell them to make a play. See Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams, Brandon Jacobs, and Tre Smith in the 2003 version of the Auburn Tigers for how that works out every single time.
If you want to say a coach sux, you can usually find a way to fashion some stats to suit that point of view. Bottom line, I believe that Ark., as long as they're in the SECW, is a perennial 7-9 win team, with a better and worse season or two sprinkled in for good measure, and 3-5 SEC win team. In a good year, they may challenge for the west, but they'll never have all the horses needed to make a run through the west, and beat the best the SECE has to offer in Atl. Never!
Mark it down. Petrino won't significantly better Nutt's record (won't better it by a winning percentage greater than 5% over Nutt's), and won't win an SEC Championship.
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I think I might agree with that.
Bottom line. To hate on Nutt, as Wes and boartitz have you have to pick the snapshots out of his career and arrange them to suit your agenda, and you have to start by believing Ark. has as much potential as any other top tier SEC program. As I've said, IMHO, they don't, and there's nothing to suggest they do.
Those that have decided a coach sucks will usually do as they've done here and give the coach ZERO credit for his wins, good seasons, etc. and assign him all the blame for anything negative.
Like:
"He won with another coach's players" - Despite the fact that the previous coach didn't win with them, Nutt gets not credit for his early success at either Ark. or Ole Miss in their eyes.
"New staff, new attitude equals early wins...the real Nutt eventually shows up." - Can basically be said about any coach and staff.
"He didn't 'win' anything, he had McFadden and Jones, not a complete team". - After railing on how he ran the program in to the ground due to sorry recruiting, and can't coach but won with another coach's players, he's given no credit for the players he got, or coaching them to their best season(s), because they were star players...the kind that every coach dreams of to make his team better. And we all know you don't coach players like McFadden and Jones, you just send them out on the field and tell them to make a play. See Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams, Brandon Jacobs, and Tre Smith in the 2003 version of the Auburn Tigers for how that works out every single time.
If you want to say a coach sux, you can usually find a way to fashion some stats to suit that point of view. Bottom line, I believe that Ark., as long as they're in the SECW, is a perennial 7-9 win team, with a better and worse season or two sprinkled in for good measure, and 3-5 SEC win team. In a good year, they may challenge for the west, but they'll never have all the horses needed to make a run through the west, and beat the best the SECE has to offer in Atl. Never!
Mark it down. Petrino won't significantly better Nutt's record (won't better it by a winning percentage greater than 5% over Nutt's), and won't win an SEC Championship.
And just curious because I know you probably have the stats already......what are Nutt's and Petrino's win averages per year? I would like to bet they aren't much different at all.
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And just curious because I know you probably have the stats already......what are Nutt's and Petrino's win averages per year? I would like to bet they aren't much different at all.
I haven't looked at their careers because there's no basis to compare them really, since Nutt has been in the SEC since 1998, and Petrino just arrived, but I'll look and see.
FWIW, I think Bobby Petrino is a good coach too. Different from Nutt, like you said, an Xs and Os guy, and more of a CEO type. Because I think Ark. is Ark., he won't better what Nutt did.
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Nutt: 10 Years 75-48 Avg: 7.5/4.8 - so lets just say he averaged an 8-5 season while at Arky. They finished first or tied for first in the West 3 times, and finished last NOT once. 8 Bowl Invites in 10 seasons. Rivals Class Ranks (Back to 2002): #36, #31, #27, #24, #22, #28, #26 - Avg #27
Petrino: 2 years 13-12 Avg: 6.5/6 - so lets say this is a 6-6 avg season so far at Arky. Two 4th place finishes in the SEC West. 1 bowl game in 2 seasons. Rivals Class Ranks: #49, #16 - Avg #33
So Nutt sustained an 8 win avg, finished 1st in the West 30% of the time, 80% bowl appearance rate, Rivals Class Avg of 27th (About the same as Va Tech meaning the talent was NOT void, no excuse).
Petrino is sitting at a 6 win avg, with 2 4th place finishes, 50% bowl appearance rate, Rivals Class Avg of 33rd.
SO FAR....why exactly all the bashing of Nutt and praising of Petrino? I don't see the huge hype surrounding Petrino here. On paper, Nutt has every advantage.
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Nutt: 10 Years 75-48 Avg: 7.5/4.8 - so lets just say he averaged an 8-5 season while at Arky. They finished first or tied for first in the West 3 times, and finished last NOT once. 8 Bowl Invites in 10 seasons. Rivals Class Ranks (Back to 2002): #36, #31, #27, #24, #22, #28, #26 - Avg #27
Petrino: 2 years 13-12 Avg: 6.5/6 - so lets say this is a 6-6 avg season so far at Arky. Two 4th place finishes in the SEC West. 1 bowl game in 2 seasons. Rivals Class Ranks: #49, #16 - Avg #33
So Nutt sustained an 8 win avg, finished 1st in the West 30% of the time, 80% bowl appearance rate, Rivals Class Avg of 27th (About the same as Va Tech meaning the talent was NOT void, no excuse).
Petrino is sitting at a 6 win avg, with 2 4th place finishes, 50% bowl appearance rate, Rivals Class Avg of 33rd.
SO FAR....why exactly all the bashing of Nutt and praising of Petrino? I don't see the huge hype surrounding Petrino here. On paper, Nutt has every advantage.
It may be a bit of a small sample to compare Petrino's 2 years to Nutt's 10. But you hit on something I was researching with Nutt's avg. crootin' class rank which tends to prove my theory about Ark being Ark, and what their potential is.
Ark's avg class rank under Nutt 27. Ark's lifetime winning percentage .591, which puts them at 29th. http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2009&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2009&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct)
By comparison...
Auburn's is #16 on that all time winning % list at .627, and from 2002-2010, our crootin' class avg rank was 12.3.
Obviously you can find schools that break the rules, or are currently or have in the past broken the trends...but on the whole the avg is the avg, and the crootin' class avg will basically lead you to the final ranking avg.
Another "avg" to look at. Composite ranking avg. of all the polls since 1993. (That's generally considered "modern" times since that's when the 85 scholarship limit started)
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/historical_composite_rank.html (http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/historical_composite_rank.html)
Auburn #18, Ark #39.
Those that pimp Ark. as having all this potential...I'd love to see some evidence to support that other than your opinion, because history doesn't bear it out. Like Nutt or hate him, you can't argue with the fact that he kept Ark at or near it's historical high end average in both recruiting, winning %, and rankings.
If you go here, and plug in the years you want to see, by era, or on the whole, you'll see where Ark ranks historically. http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html (http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html)
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It may be a bit of a small sample to compare Petrino's 2 years to Nutt's 10. But you hit on something I was researching with Nutt's avg. crootin' class rank which tends to prove my theory about Ark being Ark, and what their potential is.
Ark's avg class rank under Nutt 27. Ark's lifetime winning percentage .591, which puts them at 29th. http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2009&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2009&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct)
By comparison...
Auburn's is #16 on that all time winning % list at .627, and from 2002-2010, our crootin' class avg rank was 12.3.
Obviously you can find schools that break the rules, or are currently or have in the past broken the trends...but on the whole the avg is the avg, and the crootin' class avg will basically lead you to the final ranking avg.
Another "avg" to look at. Composite ranking avg. of all the polls since 1993. (That's generally considered "modern" times since that's when the 85 scholarship limit started)
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/historical_composite_rank.html (http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/historical_composite_rank.html)
Auburn #18, Ark #39.
Those that pimp Ark. as having all this potential...I'd love to see some evidence to support that other than your opinion, because history doesn't bear it out. Like Nutt or hate him, you can't argue with the fact that he kept Ark at or near it's historical high end average in both recruiting, winning %, and rankings.
If you go here, and plug in the years you want to see, by era, or on the whole, you'll see where Ark ranks historically. http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html (http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html)
Yeah - Petrino being there only 2 years does provide a very small sample but it is all we have to go on. Until his avgs and stats creep to Nutt's level, I say make him earn it.
Agree on the historical figures. Looking at what Arky has done throughout history, Nutt did NOT underachieve. He got a ton out of the players he had. He was always good for the occasional upset as well (including US more times than not). I do think unless he pulls some magic out of his ass, that Ole Piss is in for a rough one this year.
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Nutt: 10 Years 75-48 Avg: 7.5/4.8 - so lets just say he averaged an 8-5 season while at Arky. They finished first or tied for first in the West 3 times, and finished last NOT once. 8 Bowl Invites in 10 seasons. Rivals Class Ranks (Back to 2002): #36, #31, #27, #24, #22, #28, #26 - Avg #27
Petrino: 2 years 13-12 Avg: 6.5/6 - so lets say this is a 6-6 avg season so far at Arky. Two 4th place finishes in the SEC West. 1 bowl game in 2 seasons. Rivals Class Ranks: #49, #16 - Avg #33
So Nutt sustained an 8 win avg, finished 1st in the West 30% of the time, 80% bowl appearance rate, Rivals Class Avg of 27th (About the same as Va Tech meaning the talent was NOT void, no excuse).
Petrino is sitting at a 6 win avg, with 2 4th place finishes, 50% bowl appearance rate, Rivals Class Avg of 33rd.
SO FAR....why exactly all the bashing of Nutt and praising of Petrino? I don't see the huge hype surrounding Petrino here. On paper, Nutt has every advantage.
Petrino did well at Louisville. That's the hype in a nutshell. To Some Arky fans, he is their Saban based on Louisville. Some believe that it will translate over. To an extent, it might. But I really really don't see Petrino having the same type of success at Arkansas. Again, recruiting at the level he is recruiting simply isn't going to cut it in the SEC. It might be OK if you're looking for that 6-8 win and finishing in the middle-lower pack of the SECW.
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Yeah - Petrino being there only 2 years does provide a very small sample but it is all we have to go on. Until his avgs and stats creep to Nutt's level, I say make him earn it.
Agree on the historical figures. Looking at what Arky has done throughout history, Nutt did NOT underachieve. He got a ton out of the players he had. He was always good for the occasional upset as well (including US more times than not). I do think unless he pulls some magic out of his ass, that Ole Piss is in for a rough one this year.
We've heard from the Nutt haters about him winning with "other coach's players", taking over teams "loaded with talent". Orgeron got lots of props for his crootin' savvy. I'll go back even further...
Ole Miss crootin rankings:
2002: 33
2003: 38
2004: 30
2005: 30
2006: 15
2007: 27
2008: 29
2009: 18
2010: 18
You can quibble over who gets credit for a crootin' class during a transition, but the bottom line is this...Orgeron didn't leave Nutt with anything special by Ole Miss standards, and that was shown not only in crootin' rankings, but on the field with Orgeron's record. Nutt, it would appear, is a better recruiter than Orgeron, at least where Ole Miss is concerned.
Ole Miss, 49th on the composite ranking poll since 1993. Nutt's 2 seasons finished 22, 25. Not coincidentally, their 2nd and 3rd highest final rankings during that time period...they finished 17th in Eli Manning's Sr. year.
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Petrino did well at Louisville. That's the hype in a nutshell. To Some Arky fans, he is their Saban based on Louisville. Some believe that it will translate over. To an extent, it might. But I really really don't see Petrino having the same type of success at Arkansas. Again, recruiting at the level he is recruiting simply isn't going to cut it in the SEC. It might be OK if you're looking for that 6-8 win and finishing in the middle-lower pack of the SECW.
At L'ville, he had the ability to get the best Conf. USA and/or Big East Talent. At Ark, he doesn't have the ability to load a team. It's relative. If you can coach, you can coach. The fact he won at L'ville says he can coach, and it says that when he's on equal footing with those around him he can lure the best available talent too. At Ark. he's not on equal footing in the recruiting wars.
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At L'ville, he had the ability to get the best Conf. USA and/or Big East Talent. At Ark, he doesn't have the ability to load a team. It's relative. If you can coach, you can coach. The fact he won at L'ville says he can coach, and it says that when he's on equal footing with those around him he can lure the best available talent too. At Ark. he's not on equal footing in the recruiting wars.
Right - I was just using Arky for both to get an "apples to apples" argument.
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Petrino did well at Louisville. That's the hype in a nutshell.
There was a brief stint in Auburn, if anyone cares to recall that as well.
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There was a brief stint in Auburn, if anyone cares to recall that as well.
I thought the plane came back without him?
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I thought the plane came back without him?
Yes, but there were some motherfuckin snakes on that motherfuckin plane.
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There was a brief stint in Auburn, if anyone cares to recall that as well.
Not as a HC, but you knew that. I think Petrino is probably a damn fine coach. At A place like Auburn, UGA, bammer, UF, UT, LSU, I'd expect him to be in Atlanta on a regular basis, but not at Ark.
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Not as a HC, but you knew that. I think Petrino is probably a damn fine coach. At A place like Auburn, UGA, bammer, UF, UT, LSU, I'd expect him to be in Atlanta on a regular basis, but not at Ark.
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Not as a HC, but you knew that. I think Petrino is probably a damn fine coach. At A place like Auburn, UGA, bammer, UF, UT, LSU, I'd expect him to be in Atlanta on a regular basis, but not at Ark.
Got it.
I think you're going to be proven wrong, but we're all entitled to be wrong now and again. Hell, I once argued on woopig that Kenny Irons was a better running back than Darren McFadden.
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Got it.
I think you're going to be proven wrong, but we're all entitled to be wrong now and again. Hell, I once argued on woopig that Kenny Irons was a better running back than Darren McFadden.
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Got it.
I think you're going to be proven wrong, but we're all entitled to be wrong now and again. Hell, I once argued on woopig that Kenny Irons was a better running back than Darren McFadden.
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And you're betting it's me that will be proven wrong?
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And you're betting it's me that will be proven wrong?
Yes. I am.
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And you're betting it's me that will be proven wrong?
Was thinking the same thing.
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Yes. I am.
If I was a chic your confidence would probably be sexy.
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If I was a chic your confidence would probably be sexy.
Oh just admit it: You're moist right now, aren't you?
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Who among the Bama teams (bof of yall) have kept a coach for 10 years with a 50% conference record? Nutt is run of the mill and should have been fired at least 3 years earlier. He had already shown what he was by then.
If Petrino stays 10 years, there is no doubt in my mind that he will easily surpass Nutt's mark. 50% is not a very high bar.
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Who among the Bama teams (bof of yall) have kept a coach for 10 years with a 50% conference record? Nutt is run of the mill and should have been fired at least 3 years earlier. He had already shown what he was by then.
If Petrino stays 10 years, there is no doubt in my mind that he will easily surpass Nutt's mark. 50% is not a very high bar.
It's relative...at Auburn or Alabama, since you asked about those two, a 50% SEC record will not work for long. At Ark. it's, historically speaking, about the mark. As I've stated...if you're a Nutt hater, and believe he's mediocre or didn't coach up to standars, you must start with the premise that Ark. is on equal footing with AU, Bammer, LSU, etc. I say they're not, and I have history to back my opinion. You say they are, and have hopes and dreams to back yours.
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Who among the Bama teams (bof of yall) have kept a coach for 10 years with a 50% conference record? Nutt is run of the mill and should have been fired at least 3 years earlier. He had already shown what he was by then.
If Petrino stays 10 years, there is no doubt in my mind that he will easily surpass Nutt's mark. 50% is not a very high bar.
Is it really that difficult to understand that Arkansas is not the same as UA, AU, UF, LSU, etc?
I'm not saying I would pick him over Saban. I'm saying if I had to pick between Petrino or Nutt, I would go with Nutt. He has been in the SEC for 10 years, and knows his way around it. Relative to Arkansas, Nutt is about as good as it gets. I'm not saying Petrino is the worst coach in the history of the SEC. I'm just saying that I don't think that he thinks "big" enough to make a run in the SEC.
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Is it really that difficult to understand that Arkansas is not the same as UA, AU, UF, LSU, etc?
I'm not saying I would pick him over Saban. I'm saying if I had to pick between Petrino or Nutt, I would go with Nutt. He has been in the SEC for 10 years, and knows his way around it. Relative to Arkansas, Nutt is about as good as it gets. I'm not saying Petrino is the worst coach in the history of the SEC. I'm just saying that I don't think that he thinks "big" enough to make a run in the SEC.
Nothing of what I've said has been to impune Petrino. I mean, if you're going to fire a good HC, Petrino would be a good candidate to fill the job, or even a good choice to fill the job before you fire the coach...anyway...
I don't know what "doesn't think big enough" means...I think Petrino will prove to be good...but there's a ceiling at Ark.
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Since Nutt's regime and counting Petrino's 2 years. Alabama leads us 7-5.
We lead Auburn 7-5. So yes, I'd say at this point in time that we are right there with yall both.
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Is it really that difficult to understand that Arkansas is not the same as UA, AU, UF, LSU, etc?
Granted you have to consider the source, but I heard Finebaum saying that he's not been impressed with Bobby Johnson at Vanderbilt...standard rips: "What's he proven there?" Uh, they'd not had a fucking winning season at Vanderbilt since nineteen eighty fucking two until Johnson did it in 2008. Geez! Some programs are self limiting, some by choice like Vandy, some by circumstance like Ark.
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Since Nutt's regime and counting Petrino's 2 years. Alabama leads us 7-5.
We lead Auburn 7-5. So yes, I'd say at this point in time that we are right there with yall both.
There's another way to measure that...in that time each have visited Atl. 2 times...Ark., Bammer and AU have SEC titles, and one NC. Ark...nada. But it does prove that Nutt managed to keep Ark at a high level...for Ark.
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There's another way to measure that...in that time each have visited Atl. 2 times...Ark., Bammer and AU have SEC titles, and one NC. Ark...nada. But it does prove that Nutt managed to keep Ark at a high level...for Ark.
A more recent guidepost. Just since Petrino has been at Arkansas.
We are 0-2 versus Alabama. We are 2-0 versus Auburn. Yall are 0-2 versus Alabama.
I'd think you would be wishing back for the Nutt days. At least you won half of your games versus Nutt.
I can take the Bama crowing because they are on top right now. I don't understand your dissing us when the record shows that yall are behind us lately.
That dig about us being tied for last in the SECW last year? You realize who we were tied with don't you?
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I went to my first Razorback game 50 years ago this coming fall. I am as excited about this team and this coach as I have been in a long time.
I like Bobby Petrino's work ethic and his knowledge of the game. He is recruiting players coast to coast that would have never given Houston Nutt a second look. Our 10 year series with Texas A&M in Jerryworld will give us great exposure in the state of Texas.
Texas was one of our main recruiting grounds in the past, but for the last decade very few chose to play for the Hooty. This is starting to turn back around. Nutt wanted Ryan Mallett to play tight end which is why he went to Michigan initially. Petrino didn't really recruit many players his first year at Arkansas because he honored the committments of the kids that Nutt had signed before he left. Very few of those contribute and more than a few have drug up since then. Petrino got the likes of Cobi Hamilton in his first real recruiting year. Look for him. He has a number/name on the back of his jersey. He played as a true freshman.
Yall are right, I don't like Nutt very much. I was in Fayetteville for one year the same time he was until he slunk off in the middle of the night to go to Okie State.
He is not near the coach that Chizik is and Chizik at least knows to surround himself with competent folks and allows them to do their job. Nutt only hires yes men and scapegoats. Got to keep some scapegoats around in case things go sour. Look for the axe to swing in Oxford after this season.
Arkansas has spent the money on facilities, the stadium, etc. for several years. A good coach was our missing piece and Bobby Petrino fell in our lap and loves it up in the hills. I think he'll be there for a while.
I love the SEC. To be the best, you have to play the best. There hasn't been a real dynasty in the SEC for a while. Maybe 2-3 years and a drop off from any team. Alabama is the king of the hill in the west right now, but that is not a tenured position. They are going down. I think it is this year because of their defensive losses. That's what wins games in the SEC.
I could see Auburn, Bama and us all being 6-2 or 7-1 in the west with the tiebreaker in effect.
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Bobby Petrino is a competitive MF. He's seen that Saban got the gold ring in year 3. That's what he is shooting for. I love it. Versus what we used to have.
Fuck Nutt
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I'm saying if I had to pick between Petrino or Nutt, I would go with Nutt
They put that intelligence blocker hormone in the gubment cheeses. Look it up on teh innerwebs. It's there.
They don't really use tinfoil hats. Houndstooth trucker hats have the same results.
As long as it says NCAA, it don't make a fuck if it was made in Pakistan. They have Realtree there, too.
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A more recent guidepost. Just since Petrino has been at Arkansas.
We are 0-2 versus Alabama. We are 2-0 versus Auburn. Yall are 0-2 versus Alabama.
I'd think you would be wishing back for the Nutt days. At least you won half of your games versus Nutt.
I can take the Bama crowing because they are on top right now. I don't understand your dissing us when the record shows that yall are behind us lately.
That dig about us being tied for last in the SECW last year? You realize who we were tied with don't you?
you cherry pick whatever you feel supports your hopes and dreams, Ill go with history...all of it.
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Just rolled into Little Rock to help close up my grandma's house and try to get a little vacation time in, logged in and caught up on this epic. I am just down the street from War Memorial stadium, where at different times as kids Houston Nutt and I both sold cokes to get to watch Razorback games for free. Thought I better add my two cents on HDN and Petrino to this marathon.
A lot of Arkansas fans hate HDN with a passion. I understand why he had to go and I am happy to have Petrino, but those who hate HDN have very short memories. This is what I remember:
When Arkansas moved to the SEC, we were down in Football and good in other sports. Nolan and Hawgball took the SEC by storm, changing the face of college basketball. But we got our butt kicked for several years on the football field, and were generally outmanned and outcoached. Danny Ford came in, understood the problem, and went about correcting it. He recruited good players and built an SEC caliber team, as seen by his SEC West Championship and our first trip to Atlanta (or was it still Birmingham) in 95. But he was an old school coach, and didn't really provide a lot of inspiration.
Before HDN came in in 98, we were actually removing seats in Fayetteville because we couldn't sell them (the south end zone seats were taken out and a grass berm was installed). Attendance averaged about 40k. Most people didn't care much about Arkansas football, all the kids in High School wanted to play basketball. Arkansas high schools didn't even have spring football. HDN changed that. He came in and made it exciting again.
His 8 game run to start the 98 season was an aboslute blast. I sat with Saniflush at the 'bama game that year and watched as we just destroyed them. To this day I remember how hearbroken I was over the loss to Tenn on Clint Stoerner's fumble. It was HDN who went to the Arkansas Activities Association, told them he couldn't be successfull in the SECin the long run unless they started HS spring football. He went to the razorback clubs, which Danny Ford hated, and talked until he was hoarse about the hogs. He got everyone excited again to the point we had to expand the stadium. For those things, I will always be thankful he was here.
Moving to the present, I think Petrino is building a good team. And please don't hit me back with a lot of recruiting rankings. I know you guys live and die by the star counts, but I just don't think they are that important. I think we've got a chance to be really good this year. Someone asked earlier what will be different this year, I think the main thing will be our defensive secondary. Last year we lost our best cornerback in Fall camp, and had to move our best safety over to corner to fill in. This year, Isaac Madison is back at corner, meaning we can move our free safety back where he belongs. Obviously we have to go out and prove it on the field. We'll see what happens. I hope the Alabama coaches and players are writing us off as easily as the fans are.
One other note, I'm not sure if you guys were just busting titz's chops, but if you really think Arkansas should be lumped into the bottom of the conference with the Miss schools, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt, then you haven't been paying attention. Arkansas has taken three trips to the title game, those four schools only have 1 trip between them.
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you cherry pick whatever you feel supports your hopes and dreams, Ill go with history...all of it.
Auburn started playing football in 1892 and has won 689 games since then. That averages out to 5.838 wins per season.
Arkansas started playing a couple of years later and has won 659 games. That averages out to 5.68 wins per season.
I'd say we are pretty close.
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Just rolled into Little Rock to help close up my grandma's house and try to get a little vacation time in, logged in and caught up on this epic. I am just down the street from War Memorial stadium, where at different times as kids Houston Nutt and I both sold cokes to get to watch Razorback games for free. Thought I better add my two cents on HDN and Petrino to this marathon.
A lot of Arkansas fans hate HDN with a passion. I understand why he had to go and I am happy to have Petrino, but those who hate HDN have very short memories. This is what I remember:
When Arkansas moved to the SEC, we were down in Football and good in other sports. Nolan and Hawgball took the SEC by storm, changing the face of college basketball. But we got our butt kicked for several years on the football field, and were generally outmanned and outcoached. Danny Ford came in, understood the problem, and went about correcting it. He recruited good players and built an SEC caliber team, as seen by his SEC West Championship and our first trip to Atlanta (or was it still Birmingham) in 95. But he was an old school coach, and didn't really provide a lot of inspiration.
Before HDN came in in 98, we were actually removing seats in Fayetteville because we couldn't sell them (the south end zone seats were taken out and a grass berm was installed). Attendance averaged about 40k. Most people didn't care much about Arkansas football, all the kids in High School wanted to play basketball. Arkansas high schools didn't even have spring football. HDN changed that. He came in and made it exciting again.
His 8 game run to start the 98 season was an aboslute blast. I sat with Saniflush at the 'bama game that year and watched as we just destroyed them. To this day I remember how hearbroken I was over the loss to Tenn on Clint Stoerner's fumble. It was HDN who went to the Arkansas Activities Association, told them he couldn't be successfull in the SECin the long run unless they started HS spring football. He went to the razorback clubs, which Danny Ford hated, and talked until he was hoarse about the hogs. He got everyone excited again to the point we had to expand the stadium. For those things, I will always be thankful he was here.
Moving to the present, I think Petrino is building a good team. And please don't hit me back with a lot of recruiting rankings. I know you guys live and die by the star counts, but I just don't think they are that important. I think we've got a chance to be really good this year. Someone asked earlier what will be different this year, I think the main thing will be our defensive secondary. Last year we lost our best cornerback in Fall camp, and had to move our best safety over to corner to fill in. This year, Isaac Madison is back at corner, meaning we can move our free safety back where he belongs. Obviously we have to go out and prove it on the field. We'll see what happens. I hope the Alabama coaches and players are writing us off as easily as the fans are.
One other note, I'm not sure if you guys were just busting titz's chops, but if you really think Arkansas should be lumped into the bottom of the conference with the Miss schools, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt, then you haven't been paying attention. Arkansas has taken three trips to the title game, those four schools only have 1 trip between them.
I wouldnt lump you guys in with them. To me Arky is kind of on their own little island in the middle of the SEC.
To me you have: AL, UF, UT
Then: GA, LSU, AU
Then: Arky
Then: Miss, MSU, Vandy, Kentucky, SC
And I think you hit the nail on the head in your assessment of Nutt. I didnt even know what Arky FB was before him. The combo of him at Arky and Tubs at Auburn was bad for us. Tubs never got over his affliction with Arky.
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I think UT should be voted off that island.
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Auburn started playing football in 1892 and has won 689 games since then. That averages out to 5.838 wins per season.
Arkansas started playing a couple of years later and has won 659 games. That averages out to 5.68 wins per season.
I'd say we are pretty close.
winnig % says the diff is top 20 vs not top 25, FWIW.
I agree w hogwally, and GH on Nutty and Ark place in the pecking order. Ark is a program that teeters on the precipice...a couple of players like McFadden and Jones make them elite, the lack of a key player or two and the can fall down to the bottom...most years theyre a solid mid tier SEC team. Nutt did what could be done.
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I think UT should be voted off that island.
I was thinking the same thing. How the hell do you put them up there? I would even put another lower tier just for Vandy and probably UK.
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I was thinking the same thing. How the hell do you put them up there? I would even put another lower tier just for Vandy and probably UK.
The whole "tier" thing is flawed. Are we talking historically? Or present? UF hasn't always been top tier. At all. Matter of fact, up until the 80's when a guy by the name of Emmit Smith played, they weren't shit. They were decent then, but then Spurrier had some success in the 90's. They struggled again when he left till The Corch and Jesus himself teamed up.
In addition, Alabama has struggled until 2 years ago to be relevant after 30 or so years of mediocrity. They had a winning season here or there but I wouldn't place them on a top tier at that time either.
In my opinion, the SEC has several teams that can play up to that "Top Tier" caliber for stretches. UT, UGA, UA, AU, UF...even Ole Miss and Miss. St. can have some decent years. In my opinion, that is what makes the SEC tough. There are a lot of teams that can beat you in any given year.
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The whole "tier" thing is flawed. Are we talking historically? Or present? UF hasn't always been top tier. At all. Matter of fact, up until the 80's when a guy by the name of Emmit Smith played, they weren't shit. They were decent then, but then Spurrier had some success in the 90's. They struggled again when he left till The Corch and Jesus himself teamed up.
In addition, Alabama has struggled until 2 years ago to be relevant after 30 or so years of mediocrity. They had a winning season here or there but I wouldn't place them on a top tier at that time either.
In my opinion, the SEC has several teams that can play up to that "Top Tier" caliber for stretches. UT, UGA, UA, AU, UF...even Ole Miss and Miss. St. can have some decent years. In my opinion, that is what makes the SEC tough. There are a lot of teams that can beat you in any given year.
Although UF is a Johnny come lately to the SEC scene, I think 3 NCs in the last 20 years puts them squarely in the top tier. UT, while down now, is part of the old guard...they won't stay down. No way you can put Ole Miss or MSU in the top tier. They are however the types of programs that can and do beat the top teams at times.
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I was thinking the same thing. How the hell do you put them up there? I would even put another lower tier just for Vandy and probably UK.
Good grief....you show your youth at times. Go look at some historical stats and tell me that UT is not a top tier SEC team. Wins, SEC titles, NC's.....do you seriously judge the SEC historically using only "recent" data? UT has a very storied history whether you like it or not.
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Good grief....you show your youth at times. Go look at some historical stats and tell me that UT is not a top tier SEC team. Wins, SEC titles, NC's.....do you seriously judge the SEC historically using only "recent" data? UT has a very storied history whether you like it or not.
Ok, that's what I was thinking...can't for the life of me figure out why I didn't say it like that.
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Good grief....you show your youth at times. Go look at some historical stats and tell me that UT is not a top tier SEC team. Wins, SEC titles, NC's.....do you seriously judge the SEC historically using only "recent" data? UT has a very storied history whether you like it or not.
Yes. I'm talking about modern history, not over centuries. Otherwise, you could put Ole Miss in the top tier, and as mentioned, UF wouldn't be at the top.
I sure wouldn't have put uat in the top tier two years ago. Or 10 years ago. But I would 30 years ago.
In the 80's, and possibly in the mid 2000s, we would have been top tier.
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Yes. I'm talking about modern history, not over centuries. Otherwise, you could put Ole Miss in the top tier, and as mentioned, UF wouldn't be at the top.
I sure wouldn't have put uat in the top tier two years ago. Or 10 years ago. But I would 30 years ago.
In the 80's, and possibly in the mid 2000s, we would have been top tier.
UF has 3 NC's in 14 years....I believe that is enough. Just like it is for Miami with 5. Even though both of those are "jonny come latelys" as JR stated. LSU would probably be very close if not for the Curly Hallman and DiNardo years. Also remember that UT had a NC in 98. Its hard NOT to say that a team is top tier of the SEC when they had a NC just a decade ago and are a top 10 program all time.
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winnig % says the diff is top 20 vs not top 25, FWIW.
I agree w hogwally, and GH on Nutty and Ark place in the pecking order. Ark is a program that teeters on the precipice...a couple of players like McFadden and Jones make them elite, the lack of a key player or two and the can fall down to the bottom...most years theyre a solid mid tier SEC team. Nutt did what could be done.
I think we are #23 in all time wins. Is that not top 25?
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winnig % says the diff is top 20 vs not top 25, FWIW.
I agree w hogwally, and GH on Nutty and Ark place in the pecking order. Ark is a program that teeters on the precipice...a couple of players like McFadden and Jones make them elite, the lack of a key player or two and the can fall down to the bottom...most years theyre a solid mid tier SEC team. Nutt did what could be done.
I am a huge Hog fan, literally and figuratively, and love to think that Arkansas is the best school and the nicest place on God's green earth. But I am also at least somewhat of a realist. IMO, Arkansas is a program that is just not going to be a dominant program year in and year out. We are a small school in a small state, far removed from recruiting hotbeds. But we are a program that should be competitive every year, and should have a chance at being great every third or fourth year when everything lines up just right. I can live with that. Part of being an Arkansas fan is accepting the fact that you're going to get your heart broken on a regular basis. It makes the wins that much sweeter.
The Hogs' biggest problem and what continues to keep us from being an elite level program is depth. We can field first units that are top level pretty regularly, unfortunately injuries always seem to do us in, because we don't have #2's or #3's that are top level talent. A good example was 2006, that was our latest chance to really be great. We were a muffed punt away from an SEC championship (another game I talked Sani into going to see with me), and an outside chance at a National Championship shot. But we were derailed because our best defensive back and punt returner was out. Now it's 4 years later, and we've got a chance to be special agian. Hopefully we can capitalize on our chance this time.
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You had me at
I sat with Saniflush at the 'bama game that year and watched as we just destroyed them.
We still going to the leg humpers this year?
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. We were a muffed punt away from an SEC championship (another game I talked Sani into going to see with me), and an outside chance at a National Championship shot.
Yeah, but the muffer's daddy caught a pass from Houston Nutt in a scrimmage game at OSU. He was special.
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I think we are #23 in all time wins. Is that not top 25?
Actually in total wins, based on the link I proved earlier in this thread http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html, (http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html,) Ark is tied at 21st...with Washington. I think you went by this link http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php) I think you might want to use the stassen criteria as a measuring stick too. Florida is 23rd using the same criteria. Of course Pitt, WVU, and Syracuse are ahead of Ark on that list...soooooo.
I suspect you're just being funny now...you've gotten my point. Hogwally knows.
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Actually in total wins, based on the link I proved earlier in this thread http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html, (http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html,) Ark is tied at 21st...with Washington. I think you went by this link http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php) I think you might want to use the stassen criteria as a measuring stick too. Florida is 23rd using the same criteria. Of course Pitt, WVU, and Syracuse are ahead of Ark on that list...soooooo.
I suspect you're just being funny now...you've gotten my point. Hogwally knows.
I got the 23 from Wiki. I'll take a +2. I assumed it was just total wins, AKA all time winning records.
Still top 25, eh? That less than .2 lead yall have on us is probably insurmountable .
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I got the 23 from Wiki. I'll take a +2. I assumed it was just total wins, AKA all time winning records.
Still top 25, eh? That less than .2 lead yall have on us is probably insurmountable .
Hang on to that total # of wins thought.
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Hang on to that total # of wins thought.
:rofl:
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Hang on to that total # of wins thought.
Is that like a rope? Yeah, buddy, I got aholt.
As much as you like to argue about trivial stuff, you might want to see about getting you one of those lawyer degrees. You'd make a great public defender. I mean who gives a fuck if those clients get their ass fried? Or do yall still do the hanging thing. :)
It's a joke, son. :thumsup:
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Is that like a rope? Yeah, buddy, I got aholt.
As much as you like to argue about trivial stuff, you might want to see about getting you one of those lawyer degrees. You'd make a great public defender. I mean who gives a fuck if those clients get their ass fried? Or do yall still do the hanging thing. :)
It's a joke, son. :thumsup:
:haha:
All in fun brutha!
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:haha:
All in fun brutha!
:vn:
Yall are a little sister in the grand scheme of the SEC much like we are. Our day is gonna come, both of us. A winning season is just so much sweeter when you have been beaten down.
Last year was Bammers best season in what?, 30 years? All of a sudden they are all time world beaters? Fuck that. Win the whole thing several years in a row before you proclaim that shit. They may do it, but I think not. I think it was timing with the talent they had on hand last year.
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Is that like a rope? Yeah, buddy, I got aholt.
As much as you like to argue about trivial stuff, you might want to see about getting you one of those lawyer degrees. You'd make a great public defender. I mean who gives a fuck if those clients get their ass fried? Or do yall still do the hanging thing. :)
It's a joke, son. :thumsup:
In the FWIW department. Since this thread started in on Nutt, I've been informally polling my Auburn friends offline. Pretty much equally divided on Nutt, and pretty well mirrors what you've seen here.
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In the FWIW department. Since this thread started in on Nutt, I've been informally polling my Auburn friends offline. Pretty much equally divided on Nutt, and pretty well mirrors what you've seen here.
What the fuck evar.
I was at Fayetteville at the same time that fuck was there and Frank Broyles recruited him because of who his daddy was.
When Lou Holtz came in, this motherfucker bailed because he could not compete for the job. He went to his daddy's alma mater at Oklahomo State and didn't amount to shit there.
I should have gotten into Nutt's trade. I know more about his job than he does and I could do it for a smoove 2 mil a year.
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What the fuck evar.
I was at Fayetteville at the same time that fuck was there and Frank Broyles recruited him because of who his daddy was.
When Lou Holtz came in, this motherfucker bailed because he could not compete for the job. He went to his daddy's alma mater at Oklahomo State and didn't amount to shit there.
I should have gotten into Nutt's trade. I know more about his job than he does and I could do it for a smoove 2 mil a year.
uh huh.
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uh huh.
All Nutt knows how to do is blow smoke up a head man's ass. You barrister's don't have a patent on that or I figger you would have an infringement case against him.
The motherfucker is not innovative and he is not very good at implementing the basic football plays 101 that he has been exposed to.
He likes all of the credit when things work out and he has scapegoated a bunch of good assistants who knew more about the game than he did.
I've worked for companies run the same way. An idiot in control that wanted to micromanage every aspect of the operation whether they knew anything about that aspect or not.
Thank God for Mississippi. Nutt and the Rebs are a match made in heaven for the rest of the SEC.
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uh huh.
Again. This fucker got to where he is today on his daddy's name.
He hasn't proved shit per his resume.
Longest period as a coach in a BCS conference without a BCS game appearance. He's a real up and comer.
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All Nutt knows how to do is blow smoke up a head man's ass. You barrister's don't have a patent on that or I figger you would have an infringement case against him.
The motherfucker is not innovative and he is not very good at implementing the basic football plays 101 that he has been exposed to.
He likes all of the credit when things work out and he has scapegoated a bunch of good assistants who knew more about the game than he did.
I've worked for companies run the same way. An idiot in control that wanted to micromanage every aspect of the operation whether they knew anything about that aspect or not.
Thank God for Mississippi. Nutt and the Rebs are a match made in heaven for the rest of the SEC.
Again. This fucker got to where he is today on his daddy's name.
He hasn't proved shit per his resume.
Longest period as a coach in a BCS conference without a BCS game appearance. He's a real up and comer.
We get back to the fact that you think Ark has the same potential as any other school in the SEC. IF that were true, I'd agree that Nutt woefully underperformed. As for getting jobs based on who you are or who you know. Welcome to the real world. That's not an automatic disqualifier for competence.
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We get back to the fact that you think Ark has the same potential as any other school in the SEC. IF that were true, I'd agree that Nutt woefully underperformed. As for getting jobs based on who you are or who you know. Welcome to the real world. That's not an automatic disqualifier for competence.
When the SEC accepted us for membership we were on equal footing with the top tiered programs. We still are. Our coaching debacles have been our main hindrance in the football sucess arena so far.
I think we have that problem resolved as of now.
Thanks for your concern.
Someone has to challenge Alabama for all the aigs and yall ain't getting it done.
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When the SEC accepted us for membership we were on equal footing with the top tiered programs. We still are. Our coaching debacles have been our main hindrance in the football sucess arena so far.
I think we have that problem resolved as of now.
Thanks for your concern.
Someone has to challenge Alabama for all the aigs and yall ain't getting it done.
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:haha:
You laughing at me or the statement or bof? Yall ain't pulling much weight either here lately.
I'm dronk early. The neighbors are having some kind of pool party.
I yanked a 100 watt tube amp and a 4x12 cab and an LP out in the back yard. I'm knocking them up some smoke/surf on the water. I promise it is rippling their pool. Them little rednecks will have an earache one way or the other.
I saw one with some purple and gold shit. Maybe he can't swim so well.
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You laughing at me or the statement or bof? Yall ain't pulling much weight either here lately.
I'm dronk early. The neighbors are having some kind of pool party.
I yanked a 100 watt tube amp and a 4x12 cab and an LP out in the back yard. I'm knocking them up some smoke/surf on the water. I promise it is rippling their pool. Them little rednecks will have an earache one way or the other.
I saw one with some purple and gold shit. Maybe he can't swim so well.
Enjoy! A Daisy Red Rider might be fun in this instance too.
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Enjoy! A Daisy Red Rider might be fun in this instance too.
I'm thinking about getting the spouse to brang me some Baby Ruths when she gets off work. I'm not leaving the stomp and Baby's look swell in a pool full of kiddies. I can hit the pool with one from my backyard.
My neighbor is a coonass, fuck him.
I need a pallet of rootbeer fizzies.
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You had me at
We still going to the leg humpers this year?
It is on. (I don't actually have the tickets yet, but they're on order.) Just working on finding a dog sitter. I am not crazy about the 11:00 am kickoff, but at least we can get somewhere in time to watch the Auburn-Clemson game afterwards.
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It is on. (I don't actually have the tickets yet, but they're on order.) Just working on finding a dog sitter. I am not crazy about the 11:00 am kickoff, but at least we can get somewhere in time to watch the Auburn-Clemson game afterwards.
Sani, you are bailing on the Auburn - Clemson game o watch Arkansas - Alabama? Don't get me wrong, I pray with everything inside me that Arkansas wins, but that will be a good game for us at home.
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Sani, you are bailing on the Auburn - Clemson game o watch Arkansas - Alabama? Don't get me wrong, I pray with everything inside me that Arkansas wins, but that will be a good game for us at home.
Actually, It's Arkansas-Georgia. We're going to have a grand ole time, got about ten people going. A couple Ga fans, a S. Carolina fan, a Puerto Rican or two, and a couple bull-dykes that used to play softball for Ga Tech. One of the Puerto Ricans has a big crush on Whitney, it will be fun to watch whether Sani can keep him and the bull-dykes from getting hold of her.
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Yall are a little sister in the grand scheme of the SEC much like we are. Our day is gonna come, both of us. A winning season is just so much sweeter when you have been beaten down.
Last year was Bammers best season in what?, 30 years? All of a sudden they are all time world beaters? phuk that. Win the whole thing several years in a row before you proclaim that poop. They may do it, but I think not. I think it was timing with the talent they had on hand last year.
Not really 30 years. 1992 was the last NC which would be almost 20 years. But we did go 12-2 the year before so not world beaters but aight at this moment.
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Sani, you are bailing on the Auburn - Clemson game o watch Arkansas - Alabama? Don't get me wrong, I pray with everything inside me that Arkansas wins, but that will be a good game for us at home.
Variety is the spice of life.
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:vn:
Yall are a little sister in the grand scheme of the SEC much like we are. Our day is gonna come, both of us. A winning season is just so much sweeter when you have been beaten down.
Now that is :bugs:
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:vn:
Yall are a little sister in the grand scheme of the SEC much like we are. Our day is gonna come, both of us. A winning season is just so much sweeter when you have been beaten down.
Last year was Bammers best season in what?, 30 years? All of a sudden they are all time world beaters? Fuck that. Win the whole thing several years in a row before you proclaim that shit. They may do it, but I think not. I think it was timing with the talent they had on hand last year.
Here's the difference my boarheaded friend. While Auburn is consistent in where they fall no matter what the criteria, all time wins, winning percentage, avg poll ranking, all time ap poll ranking, etc...Auburn will fall somewhere between 12 and 18 in every single catagory all time. AND since SEC expansion, we still fall there. Ark, however, all time is in the 15-25 range, BUT since expansion, has dropped off the face of the earth in wins, winning %, and in the polls. Auburn is consistenly in the top 1/3 or 1/2 of the SEC in any catagory, and Ark is in the bottom of the middle third, or bottom half since they joined the SEC. Joining the SEC put a major dent in Ark's winning ways. Being in the SWC with basically only TX to deal with make Ark look much better.
http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html (http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html)
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/historical_composite_rank.html (http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/historical_composite_rank.html)
http://www.secsports.com/news/default.aspx?ArticleId=3988 (http://www.secsports.com/news/default.aspx?ArticleId=3988)
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Now that is :bugs:
Ummm. yeah- very funny.
No offense Arky - but please don't lump us with you. We are considered one of the big 6 in the SEC. You are not. We are Top 15 in wins all time. You are not. We've gotten our "quality" wins in the SEC, you have not.
We didn't want to turn this into a pissing match but since you have, I am with JR on this one. Our day has come and is still here. We won 4 SEC titles between 83-89 - yeah, our day will come. 13-0 and 11-0 in 2004 and 1993 (and several other undefeated seasons) in the SEC - you did it ONE fucking time, in the SWC in 1964 - yeah, our day will come.
When was the last conf title you won? Yes - youve won 2 SWC titles since 1979 (when Carter was president). Thats right - the SWC...the fucking SWC where only Texas was worth a shit. In the 90's you went 3-8, 6-6, 3-7-1, 6-4-1, 4-7, 8-5, 4-7, 4-7 and then in 1998 HDN shows up and what do you do? Proceed to go 9-3 and 8-4 to close out the decade. And all you say are bad things about the guy as if he underachieved by your HIGH standards. Yes - those HIGH standards of 3, 6, 3, 6, 4, 4 and 4 wins before he got there. MMMkay - I got it now. You need to address your peer comparison to Ole Miss or Kentucky. Actually Ole Miss has won a few SEC titles. Since Pat Dye arrived on the Plains in 1981 Auburn has had 5 losing seasons (5-6, 5-6, 3-8, 5-6, 5-7). You had that many in a 7 year span in the 90's alone. Nutt made you competitive in a conference that was much tougher than anything you had ever been in. Oh - btw - he won more games at Arky than anyone not named Broyles.
As for Bama, they had a little rough stretch when they had their carousel of bozos for coaches between 2001-2006, but other than that, they havent had very many BAD BAD seasons in the last 30. They are still one of the premier programs in the country whether we hate their guts or not. And I do hate their guts. Even counting their NC's the correct way, which ranges anywhere from 5-7, they still have more of them than just about everybody but Notre Dame. Theyve won 2 NC's the last 2 decades and you say they have been nobody for the last 30 years? I can't believe you are making me take up for the Bammers.
My point?
Quit putting yourself on level ground with us. Its just not a good comparison.
Quit bad mouthing Nutt as if he didn't meet your standards. He exceeded your historical standards if anything.
And if you don't like Bama, beat them. But until then, they have bragging rights. At least WE get that.
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Damn...
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Ummm. yeah- very funny.
No offense Arky - but please don't lump us with you. We are considered one of the big 6 in the SEC. You are not. We are Top 15 in wins all time. You are not. We've gotten our "quality" wins in the SEC, you have not.
We didn't want to turn this into a pissing match but since you have, I am with JR on this one. Our day has come and is still here. We won 4 SEC titles between 83-89 - yeah, our day will come. 13-0 and 11-0 in 2004 and 1993 (and several other undefeated seasons) in the SEC - you did it ONE fucking time, in the SWC in 1964 - yeah, our day will come.
When was the last conf title you won? Yes - youve won 2 SWC titles since 1979 (when Carter was president). Thats right - the SWC...the fucking SWC where only Texas was worth a shit. In the 90's you went 3-8, 6-6, 3-7-1, 6-4-1, 4-7, 8-5, 4-7, 4-7 and then in 1998 HDN shows up and what do you do? Proceed to go 9-3 and 8-4 to close out the decade. And all you say are bad things about the guy as if he underachieved by your HIGH standards. Yes - those HIGH standards of 3, 6, 3, 6, 4, 4 and 4 wins before he got there. MMMkay - I got it now. You need to address your peer comparison to Ole Miss or Kentucky. Actually Ole Miss has won a few SEC titles. Since Pat Dye arrived on the Plains in 1981 Auburn has had 5 losing seasons (5-6, 5-6, 3-8, 5-6, 5-7). You had that many in a 7 year span in the 90's alone. Nutt made you competitive in a conference that was much tougher than anything you had ever been in. Oh - btw - he won more games at Arky than anyone not named Broyles.
As for Bama, they had a little rough stretch when they had their carousel of bozos for coaches between 2001-2006, but other than that, they havent had very many BAD BAD seasons in the last 30. They are still one of the premier programs in the country whether we hate their guts or not. And I do hate their guts. Even counting their NC's the correct way, which ranges anywhere from 5-7, they still have more of them than just about everybody but Notre Dame. Theyve won 2 NC's the last 2 decades and you say they have been nobody for the last 30 years? I can't believe you are making me take up for the Bammers.
My point?
Quit putting yourself on level ground with us. Its just not a good comparison.
Quit bad mouthing Nutt as if he didn't meet your standards. He exceeded your historical standards if anything.
And if you don't like Bama, beat them. But until then, they have bragging rights. At least WE get that.
:pwnd:
There was a stretch there where I thought titz was just funnin' us, but I've begun to think he's serious. What you said? DEAD FUCKIN' NUTZ ON!
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Damn...
:popcorn:
Yeah, thats right. I got that huge E Penis fully erect today. Git sum beetches
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For those that don't wanna click teh googles:
All Time Winning % ranking:
Auburn #16
Ark. #29
All Time # of wins ranking:
Auburn #13
Ark #21
Winning % since 1991
Auburn #17
Ark #49
# of wins since 1991
Auburn #18
Ark #44.
All time AP ranking avg.
Auburn #15
Ark #18
Computer Ranking composite avg since 1993
Auburn #18
Ark #39
AP top 25 rankings since expansion:
1991
Auburn NR
Ark NR
1992
AU NR
Ark NR
1993
AU 4
Ark NR
1994
AU 9
Ark NR
1995
AU 22
Ark NR
1996
AU 22
Ark NR
1997
AU 11
Ark NR
1998
AU NR
Ark 16
1999
AU NR
Ark 17
2000
AU 18
Ark NR
2001
AU NR
Ark NR
2002
AU 14
Ark NR
2003
AU NR
Ark NR
2004
AU 2
Ark NR
Harris Poll Takes over (3 polls combined):
2005
AU 14, 7, 14
Ark NR
2006
AU 9, 10, 8
Ark 15, 13, 16
2007
AU 15, 23, 14
Ark NR, 25, NR
2008
AU NR
Ark NR
2009
AU NR
Ark NR
I don't know, but seems to me that sometime in the early 90s, coincidentally about the time that Ark joined the SEC, they fell on hard times, and have not recovered.
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I don't know, but seems to me that sometime in the early 90s, coincidentally about the time that Ark joined the SEC, they fell on hard times, and have not recovered.
Yeah, we appear to be beaten down, but we will have our day JR.
Its all Houston Nutt's fault...that damn idiot. He was off winning 8,9 and 10 games a year when he should have been having 11 win seasons, winning SEC titles and NC's like Arky was accustomed to and.....wait, what?
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(http://rlv.zcache.com/worthless_as_tits_on_a_boar_hog_tshirt-p235459367961570646tdf9_210.jpg)
says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg#)
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Actually, It's Arkansas-Georgia. We're going to have a grand ole time, got about ten people going. A couple Ga fans, a S. Carolina fan, a Puerto Rican or two, and a couple bull-dykes that used to play softball for Ga Tech. One of the Puerto Ricans has a big crush on Whitney, it will be fun to watch whether Sani can keep him and the bull-dykes from getting hold of her.
That sounds awesome. I want Howard to defend his woman via a drink off. The bull-dykes might surprise you.
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That sounds awesome. I want Howard to defend his woman via a drink off. The bull-dykes might surprise you.
She can defend herself. There will be plenty of women around who have legs just like I like'em.
Feet on one end and a pussy on the other.
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She can defend herself. There will be plenty of women around who have legs just like I like'em.
Feet on one end and a pussy on the other.
You dont say much friend, but when you do its to the point. And I salute you for it.
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There was a stretch there where I thought titz was just funnin' us, but I've begun to think he's serious.
hey, it's the slow part of the season. I am a shit stirrer. I know where we are in the grand scheme of things. But again, I say yall are right there with us when it comes to being fucked over. We haven't went undefeated fucked over yet, but we're trying. Big sister.
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hey, it's the slow part of the season. I am a poop stirrer. I know where we are in the grand scheme of things. But again, I say yall are right there with us when it comes to being phuked over. We haven't went undefeated phuked over yet, but we're trying. Big sister.
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