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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: AWK on April 22, 2010, 10:52:02 AM
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Words cannot explain...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohsvJHkbY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohsvJHkbY#)
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I do not care for Tim James but I see no reason why it should be in another language other than English. The signs and laws they will have to adhere to will be in English so it seems like a pretty good standard to me.
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Agree 100%.
I have decided to stop shopping at Lowes because the Spanish signs piss me off.
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Watch out... Those enlightened "liberal-terians" will stop by at any moment to call you a bunch of bigoted racists. I wonder if we should also put the driver's exams on pink paper to appeal to the gay community. I mean isn't white paper inherently racist?
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Makes sense to me.
"IF YOU CAN'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE......."
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Are you guys serious?
This is just dumb... The commercial is dumb and Tim James is a simpleton. As an Alabamian or prior Alabamian you should all be ashamed that this man is representing the state. This is gives people ammunition to mock us.
The commercial is retarded. Yes, genius, the problem to our budget issue is to reduce the languages on the DL test. I thought this was America...rabble rabble...they took er jobs!
I love the American mentality portrayed by people on this board. Jibba Jab! They should speak Anglish if they live here...Yet, if you travel to any other country you expect them to speak English there or it angers you...
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Are you guys serious?
This is just dumb... The commercial is dumb and Tim James is a simpleton. As an Alabamian or prior Alabamian you should all be ashamed that this man is representing the state. This is gives people ammunition to mock us.
The commercial is retarded. Yes, genius, the problem to our budget issue is to reduce the languages on the DL test. I thought this was America...rabble rabble...they took er jobs!
I love the American mentality portrayed by people on this board. Jibba Jab! They should speak Anglish if they live here...Yet, if you travel to any other country you expect them to speak English there or it angers you...
If I go to another country that is not Ireland or Great Britain (non-English), I do NOT expect them to speak my language. Quit making blanket statement "assumptions".
I do NOT like Tim James btw. I didn't like Fob.
And yes - this is no more the solution to our budget problems than allowing gourmet breweries, DADT, gay marriage or Bingo in Shorter. It goes both ways. You are the one stereotyping - not others. If you would quit watching John Stewart and Colbert - who both make a satire out of any reasonable argument because frankly neither can hold their own in any real debate - you might see things more grounded.
Youre as ideological as anyone on here you've accused of being that way.
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If I go to another country that is not Ireland or Great Britain (non-English), I do NOT expect them to speak my language. Quit making blanket statement "assumptions".
I do NOT like Tim James btw. I didn't like Fob.
And yes - this is no more the solution to our budget problems than allowing gourmet breweries, DADT, gay marriage or Bingo in Shorter. It goes both ways. You are the one stereotyping - not others. If you would quit watching John Stewart and Colbert - who both make a satire out of any reasonable argument because frankly neither can hold their own in any real debate - you might see things more grounded.
Youre as ideological as anyone on here you've accused of being that way.
Actually, I'm not, but if you state that the commercial is right or that you agree with it...well...
That's just sad.
I form my opinion by looking at the facts of the matter and applying it to what is logical. This commercial is absolutely retarded and makes our State look dumb. He is harping on the emotions of immigration and the conservative stint. Who gives a flying rat shit if they offer the DL in spanish? Or any other fucking language for that matter? If the person taking the test has a green card or is a citizen, and feels more comfortable doing it in Spanish rather than English, then what the fuck is the problem there? Nothing...
And by the way, the comment towards other countries came from the awesome "I will not shop at Lowe's because of the spanish signs..." It's fucking business, and if you refuse to support companies that cater towards hispanics good luck. Let me know how that goes...
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Are you guys serious?
This is just dumb... The commercial is dumb and Tim James is a simpleton. As an Alabamian or prior Alabamian you should all be ashamed that this man is representing the state. This is gives people ammunition to mock us.
The commercial is retarded. Yes, genius, the problem to our budget issue is to reduce the languages on the DL test. I thought this was America...rabble rabble...they took er jobs!
I love the American mentality portrayed by people on this board. Jibba Jab! They should speak Anglish if they live here...Yet, if you travel to any other country you expect them to speak English there or it angers you...
Bullshit.
I don't care what they speak in other countries. When I went to Italy I tried to learn enough of their language to get by. Same when I was in Germany, France, Australia (wait, what?). I expect people who FUCKING LIVE HERE to learn ours. Signs in Spanish? Fuck that. I don't care if they speak cockroach or baby whale at home. But don't expect me to learn another language to get by in MY country. Fuck that and fuck anybody who supports it until they're dead.
So you're saying that since the intrusion of Spanish into the culture and the gradual erosion of English as the country's official language is not the biggest problem the state faces we should just ignore it? That's ignorant, my friend.
When Rudy G. took over as Mayor of New York the city was on the verge of collapse. It was teetering on the brink of insolvency. Times Square was a teeming cesspool of porn and drugs. Corruption riddled the police force and the unions. What did Rudy do? Did he attack that? Yeah he did. But he also worked on the small things. He resurrected NYC by insisting that people BE NICE. He cracked down on the little things: jaywalking, squeegee guys, graffiti etc. His focus on fixing little things translated into broader improvements. There were people -- just like you -- who said Rudy was a moron and didn't he realize that the city had bigger problems than people jumping turnstiles at the subway? They were wrong. Look at New York today.
If this was Tim's only position then sure, go ahead and make your comments. But it's not. It's one piece of his broader overall agenda. I don't know enough yet to say whether I'll support him, but I do like this particular stance. It's one I agree with 100000%.
You know what else? FUCK anybody who "mocks" Alabama for being so backward that we don't think the US should become a spanish speaking country after 200+ years. They can take their ass to Mexico or somewhere that spanish is the primary language and jibberjab all they want.
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Bullshit.
I don't care what they speak in other countries. When I went to Italy I tried to learn enough of their language to get by. Same when I was in Germany, France, Australia (wait, what?). I expect people who FUCKING LIVE HERE to learn ours. Signs in Spanish? Fuck that. I don't care if they speak cockroach or baby whale at home. But don't expect me to learn another language to get by in MY country. Fuck that and fuck anybody who supports it until they're dead.
So you're saying that since the intrusion of Spanish into the culture and the gradual erosion of English as the country's official language is not the biggest problem the state faces we should just ignore it? That's ignorant, my friend.
When Rudy G. took over as Mayor of New York the city was on the verge of collapse. It was teetering on the brink of insolvency. Times Square was a teeming cesspool of porn and drugs. Corruption riddled the police force and the unions. What did Rudy do? Did he attack that? Yeah he did. But he also worked on the small things. He resurrected NYC by insisting that people BE NICE. He cracked down on the little things: jaywalking, squeegee guys, graffiti etc. His focus on fixing little things translated into broader improvements. There were people -- just like you -- who said Rudy was a moron and didn't he realize that the city had bigger problems than people jumping turnstiles at the subway? They were wrong. Look at New York today.
If this was Tim's only position then sure, go ahead and make your comments. But it's not. It's one piece of his broader overall agenda. I don't know enough yet to say whether I'll support him, but I do like this particular stance. It's one I agree with 100000%.
You know what else? FUCK anybody who "mocks" Alabama for being so backward that we don't think the US should become a spanish speaking country after 200+ years. They can take their ass to Mexico or somewhere that spanish is the primary language and jibberjab all they want.
Thanks for proving my point...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls#)
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Actually, I'm not, but if you state that the commercial is right or that you agree with it...well...
That's just sad.
I form my opinion by looking at the facts of the matter and applying it to what is logical. This commercial is absolutely retarded and makes our State look dumb. He is harping on the emotions of immigration and the conservative stint. Who gives a flying rat poop if they offer the DL in spanish? Or any other phuking language for that matter? If the person taking the test has a green card or is a citizen, and feels more comfortable doing it in Spanish rather than English, then what the phuk is the problem there? Nothing...
And by the way, the comment towards other countries came from the awesome "I will not shop at Lowe's because of the spanish signs..." It's phuking business, and if you refuse to support companies that cater towards hispanics good luck. Let me know how that goes...
I dont have a problem with you personally AWK, but you and Vandy Vol consistently use the "I take the facts and apply the most logical judgement" line way too much. As if to make anyone who disagrees with your "opinion" as wrong because - well ,your opinion is the right one because its "the facts". Opinions are subjective. Just accept it as that. Youre not right. Kaos is not right so to speak. You guys just have a different way of looking at things. He is entitled to his opinion on this one without being considered "sad". Its not sad to him. Isnt tolerance what you liberals always preach that people should have? It seems youre not being very tolerant of the others' views in this thread - now are you? :poke:
And you seriously should get enlightened by something other than Comedy Central. Keyword here - "Comedy".
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Thanks for proving my point...
And you for proving that the sum total of your political knowledge is gleaned from South Park and Jon Stewart.
God help us.
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I dont have a problem with you personally AWK, but you and Vandy Vol consistently use the "I take the facts and apply the most logical judgement" line way too much. As if to make anyone who disagrees with your "opinion" as wrong because - well ,your opinion is the right one because its "the facts". Opinions are subjective. Just accept it as that. Youre not right. Kaos is not right so to speak. You guys just have a different way of looking at things. He is entitled to his opinion on this one without being considered "sad". Its not sad to him. Isnt tolerance what you liberals always preach that people should have? It seems youre not being very tolerant of the others' views in this thread - now are you? :poke:
And you seriously should get enlightened by something other than Comedy Central. Keyword here - "Comedy".
Speaking of stereotyping, and how I shouldn't do it, but yet you do... Let's Talk about Irony.
PS - I don't watch the Daily Show or Colbert Report. And I sure as hell don't watch Fox News.
PPS - Stating that the commercial is stupid and makes Alabama look stupid is not an opinion, it is a fact.
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And you for proving that the sum total of your political knowledge is gleaned from South Park and Jon Stewart.
God help us.
See Above.
In reference to South Park Video, if the shoe fits Kaos...
In case you are wondering, I get my news from Reuters.
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Speaking of stereotyping, and how I shouldn't do it, but yet you do... Let's Talk about Irony.
PS - I don't watch the Daily Show or Colbert Report. And I sure as hell don't watch Fox News.
PPS - Stating that the commercial is stupid and makes Alabama look stupid is not an opinion, it is a fact.
PPPS: Your silly SouthPark clip is typical of the left agenda. It takes a valid argument and spins it into something else entirely. Rather than addressing the legitimate issues, it resorts to an attempt to make anyone who disagrees appear to be an uneducated loon. Not once did I (or anyone else) mention the loss of jobs to hispanics. That's not an issue for me at all. If they are here legitimately and want to work, that's fine with me. I hope that all men and women who desire to better their situation can find employment.
No, AWK, the argument is with the push to require that American goods and services -- particularly those provided by the government -- be delivered in Spanish. Rather than requiring that American citizens learn the English language, our government bends over, spreads its asscheeks and shits out paperwork in a FOREIGN language.
Yes, i have a problem with this. Road signs are written in English. If you are going to pass the written portion of the driver's license exam you should be able to read and write at a functioning level in that language.
I vehemently disagree with the GED being provided in Spanish, French and Portuguese. If you are going to have a high school credential from a US educational facility you should have enough English proficiency to pass the exam in ENGLISH.
While the manner in which Tim delivered his message leaves a little to be desired -- in his attempt to appear studious and thoughtful he instead looked robotic and perhaps mongoloid -- the message itself it 100000000000% correct. The time to draw the line and insist that US citizens have at least a minimal functioning literacy in the English language has long passed.
I will be more inclined to support anyone who has the balls to step forward and promote this stance -- particularly knowing that people like you will be aghast and make disparaging remarks about their intelligence.
In this case -- and I don't often disagree with you -- you've checked your brain at the door.
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In reference to South Park Video, if the shoe fits Kaos...
See above.
It doesn't fit. And it's not even a shoe. Video has zero relation to the issue at hand.
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PPPS: Your silly SouthPark clip is typical of the left agenda. It takes a valid argument and spins it into something else entirely. Rather than addressing the legitimate issues, it resorts to an attempt to make anyone who disagrees appear to be an uneducated loon. Not once did I (or anyone else) mention the loss of jobs to hispanics. That's not an issue for me at all. If they are here legitimately and want to work, that's fine with me. I hope that all men and women who desire to better their situation can find employment.
No, AWK, the argument is with the push to require that American goods and services -- particularly those provided by the government -- be delivered in Spanish. Rather than requiring that American citizens learn the English language, our government bends over, spreads its asscheeks and shits out paperwork in a FOREIGN language.
Yes, i have a problem with this. Road signs are written in English. If you are going to pass the written portion of the driver's license exam you should be able to read and write at a functioning level in that language.
I vehemently disagree with the GED being provided in Spanish, French and Portuguese. If you are going to have a high school credential from a US educational facility you should have enough English proficiency to pass the exam in ENGLISH.
While the manner in which Tim delivered his message leaves a little to be desired -- in his attempt to appear studious and thoughtful he instead looked robotic and perhaps mongoloid -- the message itself it 100000000000% correct. The time to draw the line and insist that US citizens have at least a minimal functioning literacy in the English language has long passed.
I will be more inclined to support anyone who has the balls to step forward and promote this stance -- particularly knowing that people like you will be aghast and make disparaging remarks about their intelligence.
In this case -- and I don't often disagree with you -- you've checked your brain at the door.
1. If you want to be a citizen you have to take the citizenship test in English.
2. His stance is to get votes by pushing the immigration/spanish/conservative talking point. Just like every political commercial you see in Alabama that consists of God/Family/Conservative etc... He looks like a moron and makes the state look even worse.
3. My point was that it doesn't matter if they offer it in Spanish. Period. Who fucking cares? It effects no one negatively. At all.
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PPPS: Your silly SouthPark clip is typical of the left agenda. It takes a valid argument and spins it into something else entirely. Rather than addressing the legitimate issues, it resorts to an attempt to make anyone who disagrees appear to be an uneducated loon. Not once did I (or anyone else) mention the loss of jobs to hispanics. That's not an issue for me at all. If they are here legitimately and want to work, that's fine with me. I hope that all men and women who desire to better their situation can find employment.
No, AWK, the argument is with the push to require that American goods and services -- particularly those provided by the government -- be delivered in Spanish. Rather than requiring that American citizens learn the English language, our government bends over, spreads its asscheeks and shits out paperwork in a FOREIGN language.
Yes, i have a problem with this. Road signs are written in English. If you are going to pass the written portion of the driver's license exam you should be able to read and write at a functioning level in that language.
I vehemently disagree with the GED being provided in Spanish, French and Portuguese. If you are going to have a high school credential from a US educational facility you should have enough English proficiency to pass the exam in ENGLISH.
While the manner in which Tim delivered his message leaves a little to be desired -- in his attempt to appear studious and thoughtful he instead looked robotic and perhaps mongoloid -- the message itself it 100000000000% correct. The time to draw the line and insist that US citizens have at least a minimal functioning literacy in the English language has long passed.
I will be more inclined to support anyone who has the balls to step forward and promote this stance -- particularly knowing that people like you will be aghast and make disparaging remarks about their intelligence.
In this case -- and I don't often disagree with you -- you've checked your brain at the door.
I find this hilarious because you employ this tactic on a daily basis.
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Speaking of stereotyping, and how I shouldn't do it, but yet you do... Let's Talk about Irony.
PS - I don't watch the Daily Show or Colbert Report. And I sure as hell don't watch Fox News.
PPS - Stating that the commercial is stupid and makes Alabama look stupid is not an opinion, it is a fact.
The point of the stereotyping comment was that you were afraid of it as a State, yet you were the only one doing it on this particular commercial. Kind of preemptive there wouldnt you say?
On your PPS line - you proved my whole point. An opinion = fact when you say so. I know you are smarter than that AWK. I could even have looked past it if you had said "well, thats the way I look at it and I disagree with you". No no - your opinion has to be a fact. Because its yours.
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I find this hilarious because you employ this tactic on a daily basis.
No, I don't. I make people look stupid by using logic and reason against them. I don't take something that isn't related at all and try to pretend like it is.
There's also the fact that I'm right. That plays into it.
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My point was that it doesn't matter if they offer it in Spanish. Period. Who fucking cares? It effects no one negatively. At all.
I care.
Learn English.
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1. If you want to be a citizen you have to take the citizenship test in English.
Having a green card does not make you a citizen.
2. His stance is to get votes by pushing the immigration/spanish/conservative talking point. Just like every political commercial you see in Alabama that consists of God/Family/Conservative etc... He looks like a moron and makes the state look even worse.
Tim James is a doof. Has little if anything to do with the subject at hand.
3. My point was that it doesn't matter if they offer it in Spanish. Period. Who fucking cares? It effects no one negatively. At all.
It affects me negatively because it makes the road more unsafe. If someone cannot comprehend the language in which it's laws and in this case traffic laws are built on then how safe of a driver do you suppose that individual is going to be?
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The point of the stereotyping comment was that you were afraid of it as a State, yet you were the only one doing it on this particular commercial. Kind of preemptive there wouldnt you say?
On your PPS line - you proved my whole point. An opinion = fact when you say so. I know you are smarter than that AWK. I could even have looked past it if you had said "well, thats the way I look at it and I disagree with you". No no - your opinion has to be a fact. Because its yours.
Facts: The Sky is Blue.
Breaking the law is dumb.
Not paying your taxes is dumb.
That commercial is dumb. The commercial is tasteless and poorly worded. Period.
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No, I don't. I make people look stupid by using logic and reason against them. I don't take something that isn't related at all and try to pretend like it is.
There's also the fact that I'm right. That plays into it.
I'm going to have to call shenanigans on that one, but it doesn't really matter.
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Well - theres the principle of it for one. Like Kaos said, why should we be bending over and accommodating someone else's language? You want to come here - learn the language. You dont go to someone else's house and set the rules.
And yes AWK - it does matter. There is a TON of overhead involved in this accommodation - via education/learning, money and training/resources.
Im not sure why you brought the religious angle into this. Any chance to take a cheap shot I guess at us God believing drones eh?
Yes the sky IS blue. Something being dumb? Unless its measured on a test, an IQ chart, or something else quantitative - its subjective. Breaking the law and not paying your taxes? Yes - they are very measurable since they are both illegal. Nice try at that analogy - but its apples and oranges. Its a fact to YOU because you disagree with it. Its that simple.
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Well - theres the principle of it for one. Like Kaos said, why should we be bending over and accommodating someone else's language? You want to come here - learn the language. You dont go to someone else's house and set the rules.
And yes AWK - it does matter. There is a TON of overhead involved in this accommodation - via education/learning, money and training/resources.
Im not sure why you brought the religious angle into this. Any chance to take a cheap shot I guess at us God believing drones eh?
Yes the sky IS blue. Something being dumb? Unless its measured on a test, an IQ chart, or something else quantitative - its subjective. Breaking the law and not paying your taxes? Yes - they are very measurable since they are both illegal. Nice try at that analogy - but its apples and oranges. Its a fact to YOU because you disagree with it. Its that simple.
I disagree with taxes. It is still dumb to not pay them. Apples to Apples.
I didn't bring the God argument into it. I was simply making the point that Alabama politicians use religion, their party, etc... to gain votes because they know it will allow them to win.
And since it is get to know AWK day, I believe in God, just don't believe in Church/Organized religion (all the time).
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I care.
Learn English.
^^^This.^^^
It's people who after their supposed enlightened higher education, try to sit back and tell other Alabamians what is stupid and what is right. I would venture to say that most Alabamians agree with Tim (even if they don't like him). And this is NOT a new debate, just new to the enlightened educated youngsters. Many of us have been bitching about the government spending money to create documents in different languages for years. And every time it's brought up, people like AWK try and make everyone feel ashamed for not being all inclusive. That is a load of crap. We do not have to accept Spanish or any other librul idea. If we are called backwards, so be it. Anyone who has a problem with it can always move to San Francisco where all of their librul ideas will be welcomed with open arms.
I applaud Tim for standing up. It would be a nice step in addressing the out of control illegal immigrant issue we have in this country today.
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^^^This.^^^
It's people who after their supposed enlightened higher education, try to sit back and tell other Alabamians what is stupid and what is right. I would venture to say that most Alabamians agree with Tim (even if they don't like him). And this is NOT a new debate, just new to the enlightened educated youngsters. Many of us have been bitching about the government spending money to create documents in different languages for years. And every time it's brought up, people like AWK try and make everyone feel ashamed for not being all inclusive. That is a load of crap. We do not have to accept Spanish or any other librul idea. If we are called backwards, so be it. Anyone who has a problem with it can always move to San Francisco where all of their librul ideas will be welcomed with open arms.
I applaud Tim for standing up. It would be a nice step in addressing the out of control illegal immigrant issue we have in this country today.
So...wait...Should I apologize for getting an education?
I loved the 1960's as much as the next guy, but don't you think we should move forward?
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So...wait...Should I apologize for getting an education?
I loved the 1960's as much as the next guy, but don't you think we should move forward?
^^^^^^^^^ BINGO ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Move forward"
In your estimation it is a step forward for this country to duplicate everything -- from GED exams to driver's license tests to street signs -- so that we can accommodate a FUCKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE so that those who don't attempt to learn OUR language (since they are, after all, living and working here) won't be inconvenienced.
Well, sir, FUCK YOU. That's not forward. That's asinine.
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Well, sir, phuk YOU. That's not forward. That's asinine.
Unfortunately, that's just part of that new enlightened way of thinking. It's all about accommodation. WE have to accommodate everything nowadays. Whether it is language, sexual interests, handicaps, made-up illnesses, <fill-in-the-blank>, those who disagree are somehow narrow-minded and bigoted. It disgusts me.
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This thread is awesome.
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^^^^^^^^^ BINGO ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Move forward"
In your estimation it is a step forward for this country to duplicate everything -- from GED exams to driver's license tests to street signs -- so that we can accommodate a FUCKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE so that those who don't attempt to learn OUR language (since they are, after all, living and working here) won't be inconvenienced.
Well, sir, FUCK YOU. That's not forward. That's asinine.
I never said they didn't need to learn English. What I said was...
3. My point was that it doesn't matter if they offer it in Spanish. Period. Who fucking cares? It effects no one negatively. At all.
The 1960's comments were towards Mr. CCTAU who thinks we don't have to accept Spanish or what the fuck ever... haha.
"When you are through changing, you are through." Bruce Barton
"He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery." Harold Wilson
"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory." W. Edwards Deming
"Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine." Robert C. Gallagher
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"When you are through changing, you are through." Bruce Barton
"He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery." Harold Wilson
"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory." W. Edwards Deming
"Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine." Robert C. Gallagher
if it ain't broke don't fix it. - unknown-
It was not broken by being in English
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I never said they didn't need to learn English. What I said was...
The 1960's comments were towards Mr. CCTAU who thinks we don't have to accept Spanish or what the fuck ever... haha.
"When you are through changing, you are through." Bruce Barton
"He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery." Harold Wilson
"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory." W. Edwards Deming
"Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine." Robert C. Gallagher
Change for the sake of change is lunacy.
There's no valid reason to spend the money to print government documents and other paperwork in multiple languages when you can simply make a knowledge of English a pre-req for filling out said paperwork. I'd be interested to know just how much money is wasted printing up spanish language GED tests.
Vested interest here, actually. I would save money on operating expenses if I didn't have to employ people who could read and grade written portions of exams in multiple languages. It's an epic waste of my resources and takes money away from development and incentives to other employees. How many people do YOU know who are fluent in Portuguese and willing to work part-time reading essays? It's asinine.
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We do not have to accept Spanish or any other librul idea.
:rofl: The Spanish language = "Librul idea". :rofl:
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Change for the sake of change is lunacy.
There's no valid reason to spend the money to print government documents and other paperwork in multiple languages when you can simply make a knowledge of English a pre-req for filling out said paperwork. I'd be interested to know just how much money is wasted printing up spanish language GED tests.
Vested interest here, actually. I would save money on operating expenses if I didn't have to employ people who could read and grade written portions of exams in multiple languages. It's an epic waste of my resources and takes money away from development and incentives to other employees. How many people do YOU know who are fluent in Portuguese and willing to work part-time reading essays? It's asinine.
Change has already occurred. There are millions of Spanish speaking immigrants here, and it's past the point to try to make them all leave.
Ignoring change that is in place and has taken effect is asinine.
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I disagree with taxes. It is still dumb to not pay them. Apples to Apples.
I didn't bring the God argument into it. I was simply making the point that Alabama politicians use religion, their party, etc... to gain votes because they know it will allow them to win.
And since it is get to know AWK day, I believe in God, just don't believe in Church/Organized religion (all the time).
No - I agree. It IS Dumb not to pay taxes. But thats much more of a fact - because the end result? You will go to jail - its illegal. So yeah - I think thats a universally dumb thing, even though I dont agree with income taxes in general. Thats totally different than saying someone's opinion on immigration issues is dumb. As Bobby Bowden would say: "dadgumit - you just plain ole dont like it do ya son?".
Believe it or not - I am probably not far from you on the dislike of organized religion/church. I grow further from it everyday. It in no way affects my belief in Christianity, Christ or God. I think most in organized religion - especially in the 4-5 far right denominations - are very dogmatic. You'd be surprised at what the Bible really says about things they preach about in these churches. I have learned of so many things I was told and just took for granted to be true - that SOOO were not.
I agree with Token - this thread effing kicks ass. :vn:
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Change has already occurred. There are millions of Spanish speaking immigrants here, and it's past the point to try to make them all leave.
Ignoring change that is in place and has taken effect is asinine.
They can stay. If the learn the language.
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Ignoring change that is in place and has taken effect is asinine.
I think we're talking about corrective action as an alternative to continuing this beta-male concept of fairness and equality (aka. accommodation). The Oprah-fication of America's "yutes" continues...
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:rofl: The Spanish language = "Librul idea". :rofl:
Spanish as a viable alternative to learning the English language before being granted privileges in this country is a "librul (stupid, idiotic, moronic, asinine, ridiculous) idea"
Sure is.
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I can't help but laugh at the commercial, mainly because I was sitting in the Legion Field bleachers before an Olympic soccer game during the '96 Olympics and had to endure listening to Fob blurt out "SAAAAY AAAAABHLAAAAA AASPAAAANOEL" during the pre-match festivities.
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So, let me get this straight, we are all in agreement that the commercial is stupid. Awesome! :thumsup:
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So, let me get this straight, we are all in agreement that the commercial is stupid. Awesome! :thumsup:
I am now voting for Tim james
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:rofl: The Spanish language = "Librul idea". :rofl:
Keep up with the thread so when you come in here defending your girl, you will know what to defend. We were talking about Spanish as an alternative written document that the government has to pay for.
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I am now voting for Tim james
Congratulations. You're exactly the ignorant redneck the commercial was catering to, if you disagree with his other policies, but will vote for him because of this.
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LMAO!! My warm meter is up again. And for the same reason. "Imma call you a redneck boy. And I'm not gonna explain why, but you best not question me."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Since you obviously felt the need to delete the post, at least nut up and answer the question.
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Since you obviously felt the need to delete the post, at least nut up and answer the question.
Don't worry about it, I already know the answer. In the future, I'll make sure to find a South Park episode that best fits my argument. That's obviously the only way anyone can use any terms that might offend a group of people(unless used against whites, jews and Christians. Or used while making jokes or interweb rapping). As if what I posted was actually used in ANY offensive manner...other than questioning bullshit, ignorant logic that apparently is easier to delete than argue against. That must have been highly offensive. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Not to leave anyone confused, it's only cool if South Park says it's cool. So......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVKzB0PIzUs&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVKzB0PIzUs&feature=related#)
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That clip will always have special meaning to this site.
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Congratulations. You're exactly the ignorant redneck the commercial was catering to, if you disagree with his other policies, but will vote for him because of this.
Congratulations. You are a dick loving puss. Always with the drama, bitch.
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Congratulations. You're exactly the ignorant redneck the commercial was catering to, if you disagree with his other policies, but will vote for him because of this.
It does target a specific audience. White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives...
That is a fact. Also, a lot of those in this State are rednecks. Also a fact.
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It does target a specific audience. White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives...
That is a fact.
I'm sorry... Perhaps, my age has caught up with me. How in hell does that stupid clip target "White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives..."? Where do you come up with this bullscat?
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I'm sorry... Perhaps, my age has caught up with me. How in hell does that stupid clip target "White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives..."? Where do you come up with this bullscat?
The majority of voters in Alabama are baptist, christian, and conservative. The majority of Alabama residents are Caucasian. One issue that has been on the agenda for conservatives for the past decade has been immigration reform/issues. This is directly tied to that. Different languages on the DL test = immigrants and non english speakers. He knew this or his campaign people, and made the commercial purposefully to touch upon the beliefs of these groups.
It is simple political douchebaggery.
It was obviously successful, I.e. the responses above.
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The majority of voters in Alabama are baptist, christian, and conservative. The majority of Alabama residents are Caucasian. One issue that has been on the agenda for conservatives for the past decade has been immigration reform/issues. This is directly tied to that. Different languages on the DL test = immigrants and non english speakers. He knew this or his campaign people, and made the commercial purposefully to touch upon the beliefs of these groups.
It is simple political douchebaggery.
It was obviously successful, I.e. the responses above.
You see, I don't really care about the where's or whyfores or the button his operatives may have intended to push.
I am, however, one of those who objects to allowing government exams such as the DL and the GED to be taken in foreign languages. That has nothing to do with my political affiliation (independent, leaning libertarian) my church affiliation (Methodist) or my ethnicity (American Indian -- 1/32nd).
This isn't even an immigration reform issue. Immigration does need to be reformed, but that has no bearing on whether the government endorses Spanish/French/Portuguese/baby whale/meerkat as an accepted language.
I appreciate and will consider politicians who think likewise.
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That has nothing to do with my political affiliation (independent, leaning libertarian)
You've got to be kidding me...
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You've got to be kidding me...
Seconded...
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You've got to be kidding me...
Why would you say that?
I'm for minimal government. I'm for lowered taxes. I'm for personal accountability. I'm for people making their own way.
All libertarian. I'm probably less libertarian when it comes to some social issues, but much more so when it comes to economic ones.
Not a republican. Definitely not a demolist.
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Why would you say that?
I'm for minimal government. I'm for lowered taxes. I'm for personal accountability. I'm for people making their own way.
All libertarian.
Not a republican. Definitely not a demolist.
You are also for gays=bad. Immigrants=get the fuck out. And also "my way or the highway, and if no one else agrees with me then you are all wrong". I am pretty sure those aren't libertarian...
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The majority of voters in Alabama are baptist, christian, and conservative. The majority of Alabama residents are Caucasian. One issue that has been on the agenda for conservatives for the past decade has been immigration reform/issues. This is directly tied to that. Different languages on the DL test = immigrants and non english speakers. He knew this or his campaign people, and made the commercial purposefully to touch upon the beliefs of these groups.
It is simple political douchebaggery.
Political douchebaggery... I agree, but I would say that his little clip only appeals to one issue out of many. You also don't have to be "White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives..." or whatever to agree with the single-sided position. In fact, I know of many outside of your limited demographic pool who would agree with the position. There's nothing that makes this "White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives..."
As a side conversation, it's amazing how you guys find nothing wrong with throwing stereotypes of Christians and Conservatives around, but when anybody else does it about homosexuals or some other demographic-of-the-moment, your panties get sucked up all the way up your anus. Oprah has taught you well.
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Why would you say that?
I'm for minimal government. I'm for lowered taxes. I'm for personal accountability. I'm for people making their own way.
All libertarian. I'm probably less libertarian when it comes to some social issues, but much more so when it comes to economic ones.
Not a republican. Definitely not a demolist.
Please tell me what makes you "not a republican".
I agree with you on fiscal issues. But if you're an economic conservative AND a social conservative, you're just a conservative. You're far right on social issues, whether you acknowledge it or not.
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Political douchebaggery... I agree, but I would say that his little clip only appeals to one issue out of many. You also don't have to be "White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives..." or whatever to agree with the single-sided position. In fact, I know of many outside of your limited demographic pool who would agree with the position. There's nothing that makes this "White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives..."
As a side conversation, it's amazing how you guys find nothing wrong with throwing stereotypes of Christians and Conservatives around, but when anybody else does it about homosexuals or some other demographic-of-the-moment, your panties get sucked up all the way up your anus. Oprah has taught you well.
In all fairness, I'm not the one stereotyping, Mr. James is by his ad. I am somewhat smart enough to know that all people in those groups don't think the same way.
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You are also for gays=bad. Immigrants=get the fuck out. And also "my way or the highway, and if no one else agrees with me then you are all wrong". I am pretty sure those aren't libertarian...
Not exactly.
Gays = bad, yes. Keep it to themselves, however and I don't care. Not my problem. The insistence on pushing it as "mainstream" and "acceptable alternative" is where I lose it. I don't care if you're raping baby kittens in the privacy of your own home. But if you insist on walking around the street with a kitty attached to your cock, then I take offense.
Immigrants = No problem at all. We're all immigrants essentially, except for me due to my American Indian heritage. I have ZERO problem with immigrants who come here with the objective of assimilating into our culture. Some of the best programmers I've ever worked with are first-gen Russian immigrants. I love those guys. They don't demand that I speak Russian, though. The problem I have with immigration is two-fold:
1) Illegals. If you want to come here, do it the right way. If you're here illegally, you have no rights, should be afforded no protection and should have your ass shipped back to whereever you come from with a RIF tag embedded in your skin so that alerts go off if you get within 50 miles of the border again.
2) Non-assimilators. I wouldn't move to France and demand that the French adapt to my American customs and behavioral patterns. I expect the people who move here to become a part of this society and not demand that THEIR society (which worked so well that they fled it to come here) remain intact. I don't like the fact that traditional American traditions -- Christmas, Thanksgiving, Fourth of July -- have to be sanitized and removed of Judeo/Christian reference to appease people of other faiths. Fuck that.
"If no one else agrees with me" = Yes, you are all wrong. That's how I roll.
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In all fairness, I'm not the one stereotyping, Mr. James is by his ad. I am somewhat smart enough to know that all people in those groups don't think the same way.
Actually, to be completely honest and legitimately fair, you were the one who brought up "White/Southern Baptist/Christian/Conservatives..." You should also be "smart enough" to realize that all of the stereotyping in this thread was initiated by you. It's sort of like the Democrats accusing those who disagree with Obama's policies are being racist. Race or whatever demographic-of-the-moment that you want to recognize usually has nothing to do with it.
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Please tell me what makes you "not a republican".
I agree with you on fiscal issues. But if you're an economic conservative AND a social conservative, you're just a conservative. You're far right on social issues, whether you acknowledge it or not.
No, Chizad you're just so far left that anybody remotely centrist appears to be the lunatic right to you.
I'm not a social conservative except in my own personal behavior. My stance toward the political side of it runs to "keep it to yourself and it's not my problem" That's not far right. I know some far right people and I guarantee you I'm nothing like that.
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No, Chizad you're just so far left that anybody remotely centrist appears to be the lunatic right to you.
I'm not a social conservative except in my own personal behavior. My stance toward the political side of it runs to "keep it to yourself and it's not my problem" That's not far right. I know some far right people and I guarantee you I'm nothing like that.
I know some far left people, and I guarantee you, I'm nothing like that.
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To the left, to the left. To the right, to the right. Now slide, slide.
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I know some far left people, and I guarantee you, I'm nothing like that.
You seem like them to me.
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You seem like them to me.
You stereotype!@#@!#
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You stereotype!@#@!#
That offends me...
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That offends me...
Call Oprah! Quick!!!
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http://stopthewussification.com/ (http://stopthewussification.com/)
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I think the commercial is dumb and the whole stance is dumb because the United States of America does not have an official language. It's also a dumb stance considering we are a nation of immigrants. However, since there is a law in Alabama as well as 27 other states that was adopted in Alabama in 1990 that made English the official language of the state then all state documents should be in English. Since the issuing of DL's falls under the police power of the state then they should only be in English until the law is changed in Alabama.
PS- The whole argument that if you come here you better learn the language is dumb especially since English is actually the newest major language spoken in this territory after Native American languages, Spanish, and French.
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I think the commercial is dumb and the whole stance is dumb because the United States of America does not have an official language. It's also a dumb stance considering we are a nation of immigrants. However, since there is a law in Alabama as well as 27 other states that was adopted in Alabama in 1990 that made English the official language of the state then all state documents should be in English. Since the issuing of DL's falls under the police power of the state then they should only be in English until the law is changed in Alabama.
PS- The whole argument that if you come here you better learn the language is dumb especially since English is actually the newest major language spoken in this territory after Native American languages, Spanish, and French.
This argument has been ongoing for years. I lived through the uproar down in Miami back in the 70's when it was an issue. This is nothing new. There's nothing wrong with establishing an official language, as many, if not most, countries and even territories within countries have done so.
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This argument has been ongoing for years. I lived through the uproar down in Miami back in the 70's when it was an issue. This is nothing new. There's nothing wrong with establishing an official language, as many, if not most, countries and even territories within countries have done so.
So you want us to be more like those socialist European coutries? :poke:
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So you want us to be more like those socialist European coutries? :poke:
Nah... I'm just sick and tired of our society always catering to the underclass, deadbeats and nonconformist outliers. The problem with our society is that we've grown to despise traditional American values and virtues to favor this leftist multiculturalism. If it was so great in their country of origin, why come to that God-awful United States?
Back in Miami, I remember when they actually passed a law forcing all of us to attend Spanish class in elementary school. It caused a considerable uproar at the time.
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Seems pretty damn straightforward to me. All road signs and markings are in English - the test should be in English. If you cannot read English, then you should be treated the same as someone who cannot read - no license for you. Operating a motor vehicle on public right-of-way is a privilege, not a right - the requirements regulating that privilege are pretty damn basic and simple. Lack of fluency in English is not some handicap that can't be helped or overcome.
What language are all legal documents written in? Aside from the obvious such as the pesky old Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, etc., how about bills in Congress? AWK, would they allow you to submit a brief or argue a case in any language other than English?
Why stop at only 11 or 12 languages for the test - what if I want it in Swahili or Klingon (or is that already one of the 12)? What if someone gets offended because they consider Spanish to be the language of their European oppressors - maybe it should be written in Nahuatl or Maya script?
After seeing how much my partners and I are spending for H1b/green card stuff for one of our engineers who grew up in Asia (doing it the right way, legally), I have no interest in going out of the way to accommodate someone who is in this country illegally. Italians, Germans, etc. knew when they came (legally) through Ellis Island that they needed to learn English to assimilate into the existing American society and commerce.
You make an exception for one non-standard language in Spanish, then there really is a discriminatory distinction relative to the next largest groups like Portuguese or Russian or whatever. English-only is a matter of standardization and practicality, not discriminatory.
:sarcasm: Bottom line - if you can't read English you can't drive, so stay your ass in the back of the pickup :sarcasm:
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My apologies if this has already been brought up as I have missed most of this thread.
Are road signs primarily to be seen as symbols as opposed to words?
If so, I think it's fine to give the driver's test in multiple languages as the test taker is learning the symbols as opposed to the words. Also, many immigrants can learn the meaning of the words "stop" and "yield." How many other road signs have words? I know deer crossing is just pictures. Warnings of sharp curves are just symbols. How many words need to be learned to drive on the road? So the issue with immigrants driving is based on whether or not they can read the questions on the test and NOT whether or not they can determine the meaning of road signs.
Also, immigrants attempting to gain citizenship have to reside in the U.S. for five years. So what's a person to do during that time? Call a taxi? Hitch a ride with an English speaking person?
We want to give immigrants an incentive to gain citizenship legally. Instead, we're debating passing a law just to spite the illegals.
Maybe we should be speaking out for an official language of the United States since, you know, we don't have one yet. Technically, all you need to know is basic words and phrases of English. That's not a concrete definition of how much English, so a person is allowed to go on speaking their Spanish or Russian or German and be just fine when it comes to legality.
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Seems pretty damn straightforward to me...
This post might get deleted. Some in here would find your post to be offensive and racist, especially when using their enlightened, feminated, Oprah-meter. Watch out!
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My apologies if this has already been brought up as I have missed most of this thread.
Are road signs primarily to be seen as symbols as opposed to words?
If so, I think it's fine to give the driver's test in multiple languages as the test taker is learning the symbols as opposed to the words. Also, many immigrants can learn the meaning of the words "stop" and "yield." How many other road signs have words? I know deer crossing is just pictures. Warnings of sharp curves are just symbols. How many words need to be learned to drive on the road? So the issue with immigrants driving is based on whether or not they can read the questions on the test and NOT whether or not they can determine the meaning of road signs.
Also, immigrants attempting to gain citizenship have to reside in the U.S. for five years. So what's a person to do during that time? Call a taxi? Hitch a ride with an English speaking person?
We want to give immigrants an incentive to gain citizenship legally. Instead, we're debating passing a law just to spite the illegals.
Maybe we should be speaking out for an official language of the United States since, you know, we don't have one yet. Technically, all you need to know is basic words and phrases of English. That's not a concrete definition of how much English, so a person is allowed to go on speaking their Spanish or Russian or German and be just fine when it comes to legality.
Tim James is just pandering to his redneck constituency. Illegal immigration is not a huge issue in our state. More than likely, we administer these exams for the legal immigrants that move over here for our blossoming auto industry or for educational purposes. Illegal immigrants typically avoid getting licenses and insurance in the first place so by only administering the test in English will not really affect them illegals. I doubt that the cost of administering these exams is a significant expenditure and the benefit of offering it probably out ways the cost in the first place. What Tim James needs to focus on is real issues in our state if he wants to get elected. Pick a side on the bingo issue, take a stance on education, or something else that actually matters. I'm sure that running on the drivers license exam language platform will not get you elected even in a state as redneck as Alabama.
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This thread rules... :popcorn:
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This thread rules... :popcorn:
nope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsNgRmsx-14# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsNgRmsx-14#)
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Are you guys serious?
This is just dumb... The commercial is dumb and Tim James is a simpleton. As an Alabamian or prior Alabamian you should all be ashamed that this man is representing the state. This is gives people ammunition to mock us.
Yes, I'm serious because it's a safety issue. If they can't read this then they should not be able to drive here.
http://dealbreaker.com/_old/2009/10/09/Wrong%20Way%20Sign.jpg (http://dealbreaker.com/_old/2009/10/09/Wrong%20Way%20Sign.jpg)
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When Rudy G. took over as Mayor of New York the city was on the verge of collapse. It was teetering on the brink of insolvency. Times Square was a teeming cesspool of porn and drugs. Corruption riddled the police force and the unions. What did Rudy do? Did he attack that? Yeah he did. But he also worked on the small things. He resurrected NYC by insisting that people BE NICE. He cracked down on the little things: jaywalking, squeegee guys, graffiti etc. His focus on fixing little things translated into broader improvements. There were people -- just like you -- who said Rudy was a moron and didn't he realize that the city had bigger problems than people jumping turnstiles at the subway? They were wrong. Look at New York today.
Fixing little things...attention to details upon assumption of his leadership role...
Seems like you think there is value in doing the little things to so that they might translate into "broader improvements".
If only Chizik would line up the players' helmets just so, maybe we might see "broader improvements".
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Aprende a conducir aweonao!
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Fixing little things...attention to details upon assumption of his leadership role...
Seems like you think there is value in doing the little things to so that they might translate into "broader improvements".
If only Chizik would line up the players' helmets just so, maybe we might see "broader improvements".
:bugs:
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Yes, I'm serious because it's a safety issue. If they can't read this then they should not be able to drive here.
http://dealbreaker.com/_old/2009/10/09/Wrong%20Way%20Sign.jpg (http://dealbreaker.com/_old/2009/10/09/Wrong%20Way%20Sign.jpg)
You do know that there is an international uniformity in the shape of street signs so the words on them are kind of pointless.
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Fixing little things...attention to details upon assumption of his leadership role...
Seems like you think there is value in doing the little things to so that they might translate into "broader improvements".
If only Chizik would line up the players' helmets just so, maybe we might see "broader improvements".
When you're doing it as part of a broader plan and with purpose, yeah. I get it.
When you're doing it because you don't know anything else to do and are just implementing arbitrary rules to implement arbitrary rules... no.
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When you're doing it as part of a broader plan and with purpose, yeah. I get it.
A broader plan...like a...wait for it...blueprint?
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A broader plan...like a...wait for it...blueprint?
Every great plan starts with a blueprint.
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I don't normally chime in on political debates....but... There's so much shit going on right now dividing America, that I'm paying more attention than I ever have.
As far as immigration, and specifically the drivers license isssue...and Arizona... and Lowes, it's all different to me for these reasons...
1. Drivers License and this Tim James commercial. I saw it for the first time the other night, and literally facepalmed. Not because I so much disagree with the message, but the delivery. Look, I understand that signs are in different colors and shapes for specific reasons. If an illegal, or someone that CHOOSES NOT to learn english can pass the test based on symbols and the english necessary to pass it, then all power to them, I consider them safe enough to drive around. However, the traveling world inside the United States is based on english and if you're going to do it safely, you need to be proficient enough to pass the test accordingly.
The commercial to me was poorly delivered because, regardless of Mr. James's education level, it made him look like every other country music douchebag that MUST under penalty of death, mention his truck, truck bed, getting laid in said truck, or have a damn good tractor story instead. It was made to spark interest in a specific minded person, and unfortunately probably turned an equal amount of well educated people off in it's ridiculousness.
2. Arizona, and the illegals. People are getting murdered on the border. Illegals are pouring daily into the country and sucking our resources dry. People bitching about this bill are only concerned about themselves and not the good of the country, or the well being of Arizona citizens. Usually based only on principle and not the facts of the specific situation. Civil rights? Paper checks? How about securing the border and keeping murderers out of the US that don't belong here?
Look, people bitching about this bill, are doing the same thing as some asshole breaking a water pipe inside your home, letting the water rush in while doing nothing to stop it, and THEN bitching and moaning at the person trying to find the right parts to fix it. The people bitching aren't doing shit to stop the flood, and only shit the bed because their going to be inconvenienced from time to time. Shut the fuck up about it already and secure the fucking border. Then these fuckers can have their unquestioned freedoms back. It's a crisis situation, not daily regular doo-da life. Arizona has asked for federal help for this issue for years, and hasn't gotten shit. The federal government has acknowledged it's a problem, yet now wants to slap the hands of the people running their own state. That's bullshit. But hey, we got healthcare done and GM is lying through their teeth about paying back bail-out money... Fuck priorities... Someone wants to get himself in the history books, prudence be damned.
3. Lowes. It's a private business. A business that caters to many many latinos and yes, probably illegals. They rely on those sales, and as a retail business that needs to make sales, I don't have an issue with it. I don't put these type situations in the same catagory as drivers license exams.
It's a matter of priorities, not whether or not some shit needs to be taken care of or not. I'm so sick of the fucking assertion that if you oppose certain things, you're automatically a simpleton, bigot or uneducated asshole. My assertion is if you blindly make those assertions, then regardless of how book smart you might be, YOU are the bigot and undeducated person. (that's not aimed at anyone specific here....just a point...)
Just my opinion....
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I'm so sick of the fucking assertion that if you oppose certain things, you're automatically a simpleton, bigot or uneducated asshole. My assertion is if you blindly make those assertions, then regardless of how book smart you might be, YOU are the bigot and undeducated person. (that's not aimed at anyone specific here....just a point...)
Just my opinion....
Huzzah!
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Every great plan starts with a blueprint.
You most definitely gotta have a blueprint before you can "build".
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You most definitely gotta have a blueprint before you can "build".
If you build it they will come.
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"It's not clear how James thinks the change would save the state money. Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic says Alabama could actually lose billions of dollars in federal funding if it enacts the measure, and he points to an Alabama political blog that runs down the legal history for why the exams are in multiple languages."-- Taken from Yahoo News.
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"It's not clear how James thinks the change would save the state money. Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic says Alabama could actually lose billions of dollars in federal funding if it enacts the measure, and he points to an Alabama political blog that runs down the legal history for why the exams are in multiple languages."-- Taken from Yahoo News.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo, it has nothing to do with race.
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"It's not clear how James thinks the change would save the state money. Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic says Alabama could actually lose billions of dollars in federal funding if it enacts the measure, and he points to an Alabama political blog that runs down the legal history for why the exams are in multiple languages."-- Taken from Yahoo News.
I saw this on three major news outlets today. The story "broke" nationally. We're the laughing stock of the nation, as Taylor predicted.
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"It's not clear how James thinks the change would save the state money. Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic says Alabama could actually lose billions of dollars in federal funding if it enacts the measure, and he points to an Alabama political blog that runs down the legal history for why the exams are in multiple languages."-- Taken from Yahoo News.
By the way, I forgot to add: Pfft!!! You'll believe anything won't you? Everyone knows that Yahoo News is completely and utterly biased socialist pinko dogma! There is only one source of news that tells the truth, and that is Fox News. Might as well get your news from Oprah, Beta Male...
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By the way, I forgot to add: Pfft!!! You'll believe anything won't you? Everyone knows that Yahoo News is completely and utterly biased socialist pinko dogma! There is only one source of news that tells the truth, and that is Fox News. Might as well get your news from Oprah, Beta Male...
DAILY SHOW!! RABBBLEEEEEEEEEEE RABBLEEEEE! South Park!!! JIBBA JABBBBBB! Cue the "federal government is dumb in the first place for giving us this money" argument. I can't wait.
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Okay. So what "billions" is he referring to? Just curious.
I know all the Fox News, and all the other stuff is directed and baiting others...
So, I'm just asking... What "billions" would we lose? Seriously, I don't know.
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Okay. So what "billions" is he referring to? Just curious.
I know all the Fox News, and all the other stuff is directed and baiting others...
So, I'm just asking... What "billions" would we lose? Seriously, I don't know.
Federal Funding. But we don't need it, we have gambling...wait nevermind. Well, we also have a booming state econ...scratch that. Well, I guess we can always ask for donations from Churches.
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Federal Funding. But we don't need it, we have gambling...wait nevermind. Well, we also have a booming state econ...scratch that. Well, I guess we can always ask for donations from Churches.
Okay. Let me ask again. What "billions" in federal funding do we lose by changing the drivers license exam.
I think we're all caught up on the bait and needless comedic fluffer commentary. Can you answer the question?
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http://theworldaroundyou.com/2010/04/23/tim-james-might-want-to-learn-the-history-of-english-only-drivers-license-examinations-in-alabama/ (http://theworldaroundyou.com/2010/04/23/tim-james-might-want-to-learn-the-history-of-english-only-drivers-license-examinations-in-alabama/)
this article explains why Tim James will lose the state millions of dollars in legal fees like it did in the 1990s when Alabama adopted the "English only" exam amendment and then lost the eventual case in federal court to the SPLC.
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Okay. Let me ask again. What "billions" in federal funding do we lose by changing the drivers license exam.
I think we're all caught up on the bait and needless comedic fluffer commentary. Can you answer the question?
I did a little research and found some interesting stuff. First off, Alabama has had the exam in multiple languages since 1970. They changed it to only English from 1992 - 1998, until it was ruled unconstitutional in Federal Court. National Origin.
If you don't know, you will lose a shit load of federal funding in all departments, not only the DMV, if you choose to stay with the practice. That is the billions of dollars. That's the best part. He has made a campaign promise to do something unconstitutional. hahahaha
Also, and this is the best part...guess what languages it is offered in? American Sign Language, Arabic, Chinese, English, Farsi, French, German, Greek, Japanese, Korean, Russian, Spanish, Thai, and Vietnamese.
Yep, this doesn't make us look stupid....
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Wait. So we're going to lose billions of dollars of federal funding AND millions of dollars on legal fees? Holy shit. Millions of billions over a drivers license exam? Seriously?
There are literally billions of dollars at stake over fucking driving exams? Billions? For a driving exam? For a single state? Billions?
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I didn't know this would make us more of a laughing stock than the gambling debacle. Here in Dothan, we have "Country Crossings", which opened only to be shut down pending the outcome of court hearings, legislation, vote...no vote. Honestly, it doesn't get any more embarrassing for a State to have 105 (Yes 105) Trooper cars and other State vehicles racing to a Bingo Hall at 4:00 a.m. to shut it down.
Bingo is da devil.
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Wait. So we're going to lose billions of dollars of federal funding AND millions of dollars on legal fees? Holy poop. Millions of billions over a drivers license exam? Seriously?
There are literally billions of dollars at stake over phuking driving exams? Billions? For a driving exam? For a single state? Billions?
Actually, it's about Eleventeen Skwazillion....give or take a skwazillion.
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Actually, it's about Eleventeen Skwazillion....give or take a skwazillion.
To hell with making the only language English on the exam. If there really is that much money tied up in something as simple as a driving exam, I say we offer that bitch in every known language possible. Maybe then we can get more federal funding.
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Wait. So we're going to lose billions of dollars of federal funding AND millions of dollars on legal fees? Holy shit. Millions of billions over a drivers license exam? Seriously?
There are literally billions of dollars at stake over fucking driving exams? Billions? For a driving exam? For a single state? Billions?
That's kind of where I was going with it, Token. I guess "billions" collectively over years and years and over many different departments. But to say "billions" as if BAM...BILLIONS! POOF GONE!!! is a stretch.
My thoughts are if it's unconstitutional, then Tim James will look like a dumbass. If he's a dumbass, his chances of election are not high. I don't have a problem with that.
This was my position on the commercial earlier in the thread... So I'm just saying, I didn't give him a pass either.....
1. Drivers License and this Tim James commercial. I saw it for the first time the other night, and literally facepalmed. Not because I so much disagree with the message, but the delivery. Look, I understand that signs are in different colors and shapes for specific reasons. If an illegal, or someone that CHOOSES NOT to learn english can pass the test based on symbols and the english necessary to pass it, then all power to them, I consider them safe enough to drive around. However, the traveling world inside the United States is based on english and if you're going to do it safely, you need to be proficient enough to pass the test accordingly.
The. commercial to me was poorly delivered because, regardless of Mr. James's education level, it made him look like every other country music douchebag that MUST under penalty of death, mention his truck, truck bed, getting laid in said truck, or have a damn good tractor story instead. It was made to spark interest in a specific minded person, and unfortunately probably turned an equal amount of well educated people off in it's ridiculousness
I just wanted to know if you had done some research BEFORE you blindly agreed with the guy about his "billions" statement, only because you thought it would get a rise out of people rather than be accurate to the point.
To hell with making the only language English on the exam. If there really is that much money tied up in something as simple as a driving exam, I say we offer that bitch in every known language possible. Maybe then we can get more federal funding.
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I saw this on three major news outlets today. The story "broke" nationally. We're the laughing stock of the nation, as Taylor predicted.
South Park
SNL and
The Daily Show
Not major news outlets. Neither are MSNBC, the American Urban Network and Family Guy.
Fuck being the laughingstock. Who cares?
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That's kind of where I was going with it, Token. I guess "billions" collectively over years and years and over many different departments. But to say "billions" as if BAM...BILLIONS! POOF GONE!!! is a stretch.
My thoughts are if it's unconstitutional, then Tim James will look like a dumbass. If he's a dumbass, his chances of election are not high. I don't have a problem with that.
This was my position on the commercial earlier in the thread... So I'm just saying, I didn't give him a pass either.....
I just wanted to know if you had done some research BEFORE you blindly agreed with the guy about his "billions" statement, only because you thought it would get a rise out of people rather than be accurate to the point.
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1. We would lose billions once the legislation is passed. So that would qualify as Poof.
2. It is already unconstitutional. There is no question about it.
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1. We would lose billions once the legislation is pass. So that would qualify as Poof.
2. It is already unconstitutional. There is no question about it.
1. If there are billions at stake over a fucking 30-50 question exam, then I know how to fix our bullshit government spending problems.
2. If unconstitutional, then yes, Tim James is a fucking idiot and just lost any chance he had over something as simple as a driving exam. His problem, not mine.
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Tim James is a major tool and this is such a non-issue it's ridiculous.
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Tim James is a major tool and this is such a non-issue it's ridiculous.
Tim James is just pandering to the conservative base in Alabama. Of course he knows that its unconstitutional, his own dad was governor when it was ruled unconstitutional.
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If he's a dumbass, his chances of election are not high.
You have waay too much faith in the voting body of the state of Alabama.Tim James is a major tool and this is such a non-issue it's ridiculous.
Don't tell Kaos that, or a number of the other r******s that will vote for him based on this issue and this issue alone.
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You have waay too much faith in the voting body of the state of Alabama.Don't tell Kaos that, or a number of the other r******s that will vote for him based on this issue and this issue alone.
Racist.
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I think I may still vote for him just to piss the hippies off.
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I think I may still vote for him just to piss the hippies off.
Aren't your paychecks cut by the state? Might want to re-think that stra-tegery.
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Aren't your paychecks cut by the state? Might want to re-think that stra-tegery.
Doesn't matter. It's unconstitutional so he can't really cost us millions of billions. 2/3 of my check comes from immigration anyway. As long as I don't live in Arizona I should be fine.
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Doesn't matter. It's unconstitutional so he can't really cost us millions of billions. 2/3 of my check comes from immigration anyway. As long as I don't live in Arizona I should be fine.
I want to get paid by immigration, but I don't want to be a coyote.
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I want to get paid by immigration, but I don't want to be a coyote.
You got a problem with coyotes?
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You got a problem with coyotes?
My only problem is that I don't have an 18 wheeler.
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My only problem is that I don't have an 18 wheeler.
You bout to cross some motha fucking lines!!
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Wait. So we're going to lose billions of dollars of federal funding AND millions of dollars on legal fees? Holy shit. Millions of billions over a drivers license exam? Seriously?
There are literally billions of dollars at stake over fucking driving exams? Billions? For a driving exam? For a single state? Billions?
Farsi.
Did you hear me? Farsi.
We have a large population of Persians running around the state?
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Farsi.
Did you hear me? Farsi.
We have a large population of Persians running around the state?
What is that? Native American for see long long way?
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You have waay too much faith in the voting body of the state of Alabama.Don't tell Kaos that, or a number of the other r******s that will vote for him based on this issue and this issue alone.
Seriously? Thats a way to come together on common ground. Call anyone who doesnt see it your way a slur. Thanks for the insult you fucktard. How the house hunting in Austin going?
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Seriously? Thats a way to come together on common ground. Call anyone who doesnt see it your way a slur. Thanks for the insult you fucktard. How the house hunting in Austin going?
Anger!
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You have waay too much faith in the voting body of the state of Alabama.Don't tell Kaos that, or a number of the other r******s that will vote for him based on this issue and this issue alone.
You validate my position daily.
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You validate my position daily.
On your stomach? :wartim:
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Anger!
See, its the hypocrisy that pisses me off. You guys are loaded with it whether you like it or not.
You have an obvious problem with southern culture. Its evident. You want the south to become some big hippie college fest with no hint of anything it has been in the past - because it "embarrasses you". Were just all rednecks if we even remotely like anything conservative - a gun, a Bible, whatever. Maybe YOU are the one who doesnt fit in. I've said this before Chad - would it not be easier to go somewhere where it already fits your idea of culture rather then trying to drastically change the culture where you are?
I would be glad to engage in some constructive debate here on any of these topics, but when you start throwing narrow minded cheap shots instead of actual dialog - you lose me. As Kaos also said, I'm not an extreme right winger by any means. I lean more libertarian and was a big supporter of Ron Paul in 2008. Even in my religion I am a Methodist - which is not considered far right by any means - ask a Baptist.
But to hear you tell it - if your anti-ILLEGAL immigration, religious in any way and in Alabama - you're just a typical redneck idiot who has been brainwashed. No - if that were true, we would be on The Crapstone Report with Shane. I think we have more in common than you THINK. You just don't let the common ground come together. Instead, you'd rather insult us.
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See, its the hypocrisy that pisses me off. You guys are loaded with it whether you like it or not.
You have an obvious problem with southern culture. Its evident. You want the south to become some big hippie college fest with no hint of anything it has been in the past - because it "embarrasses you". Were just all rednecks if we even remotely like anything conservative - a gun, a Bible, whatever. Maybe YOU are the one who doesnt fit in. I've said this before Chad - would it not be easier to go somewhere where it already fits your idea of culture rather then trying to drastically change the culture where you are?
I would be glad to engage in some constructive debate here on any of these topics, but when you start throwing narrow minded cheap shots instead of actual dialog - you lose me. As Kaos also said, I'm not an extreme right winger by any means. I lean more libertarian and was a big supporter of Ron Paul in 2008. Even in my religion I am a Methodist - which is not considered far right by any means - ask a Baptist.
But to hear you tell it - if your anti-ILLEGAL immigration, religious in any way and in Alabama - you're just a typical redneck idiot who has been brainwashed. No - if that were true, we would be on The Crapstone Report with Shane. I think we have more in common than you THINK. You just don't let the common ground come together. Instead, you'd rather insult us.
False. I like the South. I like living here and I like the culture. What I don't like (and this goes for any state and politics) is that people don't think for themselves. I'm from Alabama, I listen to Rush Limbaugh, I'm conservative.
Now, I'm not saying that is everyone...but a lot of people are like that. If you want to be conservative, republican, democrat, socialist, that is fine with me. Just think it out first, and use your own reasoning to do so...
The whole reason I get into these conversations is because the majority of people here are conservative, some more than others. I just feel that a counter point should be presented in every debate or it isn't truly a debate. Oh yeah, and because I disagree with you guys.
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So...would deporting hippies cost us billions of millions?
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See, its the hypocrisy that pisses me off. You guys are loaded with it whether you like it or not.
You have an obvious problem with southern culture. Its evident. You want the south to become some big hippie college fest with no hint of anything it has been in the past - because it "embarrasses you". Were just all rednecks if we even remotely like anything conservative - a gun, a Bible, whatever. Maybe YOU are the one who doesnt fit in. I've said this before Chad - would it not be easier to go somewhere where it already fits your idea of culture rather then trying to drastically change the culture where you are?
I would be glad to engage in some constructive debate here on any of these topics, but when you start throwing narrow minded cheap shots instead of actual dialog - you lose me. As Kaos also said, I'm not an extreme right winger by any means. I lean more libertarian and was a big supporter of Ron Paul in 2008. Even in my religion I am a Methodist - which is not considered far right by any means - ask a Baptist.
But to hear you tell it - if your anti-ILLEGAL immigration, religious in any way and in Alabama - you're just a typical redneck idiot who has been brainwashed. No - if that were true, we would be on The Crapstone Report with Shane. I think we have more in common than you THINK. You just don't let the common ground come together. Instead, you'd rather insult us.
Generalize all you want. The commercial in this thread, the way it was presented, and the ideas that it was trying to appeal to, absolutely make this state look stupid. As predicted in the first post, it has gone national and now we're the butt of jokes because of it. If you're proud of being ignorant, I can't think of a better word for that besides redneck. If you're one of the people that will vote for this guy because, and only because you were duped into thinking "Yeah! Fuck them brown people takin our jobs. Learn Anglish Motherfucker! This is America so speak American!", you are an idiot. Plain and simple. Black and white. The discussion is over. He was trying to frame it as an immigration issue (and some of you fell for it), when it was an issue in having the test in languages such as sign language or Korean to accomodate the booming foreign auto industry in Alabama. Furthermore, it has been proven that what he is proposing will actually lose money for the state rather than save it, as he suggested. And then to top it all off, the whole thing he's proposing is completely unconstitutional.
And some of you still want to vote for this guy because of this issue alone?
That's what embarrasses me about this state.
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False. I like the South. I like living here and I like the culture. What I don't like (and this goes for any state and politics) is that people don't think for themselves. I'm from Alabama, I listen to Rush Limbaugh, I'm conservative.
Now, I'm not saying that is everyone...but a lot of people are like that. If you want to be conservative, republican, democrat, socialist, that is fine with me. Just think it out first, and use your own reasoning to do so...
The whole reason I get into this conversations is because the majority of people here are conservative, some more than others. I just feel that a counter point should be presented in every debate or it isn't truly a debate. Oh yeah, and because I disagree with you guys.
Real talk?
Who, on this website, isn't reasonable? Therein lies the problem. It's not that people can't think for themselves, it's that you think you and a few others are the only people capable of thinking for themselves. The very minute someone didn't agree with your position on Tim James, the redneck comments started to fly. Not a single person, at any time, declared they were going to vote for Tim James because of that one talking point. Not one. But because a few people didn't disagree with his position, they were automatically labeled rednecks, which has been the issue all along.
There isn't a single person involved in any of these discussions that I truly believe can't think for themselves....because I don't believe that my position is 110% correct no matter what. My opinion can be changed, and it changes daily through discussion and knowledge.
If you really believe that some here aren't capable of thinking for themselves because their position isn't in line with yours or a few others, then you guys are the one's with the problems.
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Not a single person, at any time, declared they were going to vote for Tim James because of that one talking point. Not one.
I don't know enough yet to say whether I'll support him, but I do like this particular stance. It's one I agree with 100000%.
I am now voting for Tim james
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Real talk?
Who, on this website, isn't reasonable? Therein lies the problem. It's not that people can't think for themselves, it's that you think you and a few others are the only people capable of thinking for themselves. The very minute someone didn't agree with your position on Tim James, the redneck comments started to fly. Not a single person, at any time, declared they were going to vote for Tim James because of that one talking point. Not one. But because a few people didn't disagree with his position, they were automatically labeled rednecks, which has been the issue all along.
There isn't a single person involved in any of these discussions that I truly believe can't think for themselves....because I don't believe that my position is 110% correct no matter what. My opinion can be changed, and it changes daily through discussion and knowledge.
If you really believe that some here aren't capable of thinking for themselves because their position isn't in line with yours or a few others, then you guys are the one's with the problems.
Never said that, and don't think it. But we we get responses like "shoot em all" and "I'm going to vote for Time because of this commercial" it makes me wonder...
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Never said that, and don't think it. But we we get responses like "shoot em all" and "I'm going to vote for Time because of this commercial" it makes me wonder...
Some of the idiotic things Chizad (and others) says/supports makes me weep for the future. You (and others) don't have to explicitly say that your own opinion is the only one considered valid its how you respond to those who disagree which makes that fact crystal clear. Nothing wrong with that, but at least own it. I don't mind saying that on some topics (not all) if you're diametrically opposed to my position, I automatically consider you lacking in intelligence or discernment. You (and others) have just as clearly illustrated your disdain for particular opinions here and it's blatantly obvious that you consider those who think differently than you to be ignorant. Just own it.
BTW? I never said I'd vote for Tim because of this commercial. The commercial itself has no bearing on it. I'm inclined to vote for him because people whose political opinion I consider utterly vacuous are opposed to him.
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Some of the idiotic things Chizad (and others) says/supports makes me weep for the future.
BTW? I never said I'd vote for Tim because of this commercial. The commercial itself has no bearing on it. I'm inclined to vote for him because people whose political opinion I consider utterly vacuous are opposed to him.
Thanks for making my aforementioned point.
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Thanks for making my aforementioned point.
If by "making" you meant "repudiated" you're welcome.
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Generalize all you want. The commercial in this thread, the way it was presented, and the ideas that it was trying to appeal to, absolutely make this state look stupid. As predicted in the first post, it has gone national and now we're the butt of jokes because of it. If you're proud of being ignorant, I can't think of a better word for that besides redneck. If you're one of the people that will vote for this guy because, and only because you were duped into thinking "Yeah! phuk them brown people takin our jobs. Learn Anglish Motherphuker! This is America so speak American!", you are an idiot. Plain and simple. Black and white. The discussion is over. He was trying to frame it as an immigration issue (and some of you fell for it), when it was an issue in having the test in languages such as sign language or Korean to accomodate the booming foreign auto industry in Alabama. Furthermore, it has been proven that what he is proposing will actually lose money for the state rather than save it, as he suggested. And then to top it all off, the whole thing he's proposing is completely unconstitutional.
And some of you still want to vote for this guy because of this issue alone?
That's what embarrasses me about this state.
I never said the commercial was in good taste. I never endorsed the commercial. I never said I was voting for Tim James. And I am not voting for Tim James. Honestly - I dont think this is of the utmost concern at the moment. There are more pressing issues. I have to give you credit for the unconstitutional comment as you also said the HC Bill was UC as well. At least you were consistent on that one.
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South Park
SNL and
The Daily Show
Not major news outlets. Neither are MSNBC, the American Urban Network and Family Guy.
Fuck being the laughingstock. Who cares?
He's making his rounds on Fox News tonight. That was the one acceptable news outlet, right?
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He's making his rounds on Fox News tonight. That was the one acceptable news outlet, right?
Umm... Kaos is now a "guest"?????
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مصیبت این بازیکن خط حمله بود بیش از حد
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Umm... Kaos is now a "guest"?????
Yep...nice going fellas. You got what you wanted.... :rolleyes:
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/4172717/learn-english-ad-campaign-stirs-emotions (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4172717/learn-english-ad-campaign-stirs-emotions)
Here's the only acceptable major news outlet, The O'Reilly Factor on Fox News.
Granted, O'Reilly wasn't there, but it's still telling when his stand-in, is this critical.
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/4172717/learn-english-ad-campaign-stirs-emotions (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4172717/learn-english-ad-campaign-stirs-emotions)
Here's the only acceptable major news outlet, The O'Reilly Factor on Fox News.
Granted, O'Reilly wasn't there, but it's still telling when his stand-in, is this critical.
Dude, you can seriously let it go now. The dude left the board. You're arguing with yourself on this particular point.
BTW - That was Juan Williams, who is probably the polar opposite of Bill O'Reilly on the spectrum. I used his name before in a post to VandyVol as an example of Fox giving another viewpoint.
Again - I never said I was voting for Tim James and I never said I approved of the ad. I personally think there are more pressing issues.
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Dude, you can seriously let it go now. The dude left the board. You're arguing with yourself on this particular point.
BTW - That was Juan Williams, who is probably the polar opposite of Bill O'Reilly on the spectrum. I used his name before in a post to VandyVol as an example of Fox giving another viewpoint.
Again - I never said I was voting for Tim James and I never said I approved of the ad. I personally think there are more pressing issues.
So now there's better things to worry about, because Kaos isn't around anymore? I was just as much presenting that information to you and GarMan.
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So now there's better things to worry about, because Kaos isn't around anymore? I was just as much presenting that information to you and GarMan.
Huh? Look SugarShorts, this Fox News fetish that you and your gurlz promote is all yours. I don't even watch the channel very often, and I actually flip between the networks just about equally. I can't even remember the last time that I spent more than 5-10 minutes watching it, and with my exposure to the various news outlets being about equal, it's just a silly dishonest stretch to claim that one is anymore biased than the other. We just have 50 on the Left and about 2 or 3 on the Right.
And, I just love it when you queens throw your stereotypes around at everyone who disagrees with you. Your rants against Christians, Conservatives, heterosexuals, Baptists, white men and others are just as offensive and prejudiced to many as a racist might be to a minority person, but that’s just another trait of your “enlightened” way of thinking. It’s so far superior to anybody else’s. In fact, everybody else is just wrong, if they disagree with you, and if they happen to agree with you, they’re still wrong because you’ll always be more right than everyone else. But, continue on...
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Your rants against Christians, Conservatives, heterosexuals, Baptists, white men and others are just as offensive and prejudiced to many as a racist might be to a minority person, but that’s just another trait of your “enlightened” way of thinking.
I'm all of these things and I'm not offended by anything Chizad or AWK said. Mostly because I agree with them on many issues because I'm a reasonable thinking human being. Something you seem to lack.
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I'm all of these things and I'm not offended by anything Chizad or AWK said. Mostly because I agree with them on many issues because I'm a reasonable thinking human being. Something you seem to lack.
There you have it folks. Typed us nice and neat for everyone to read. Unless you agree with Chizad or AWK, you are not a reasonable thinking human being.
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There you have it folks. Typed us nice and neat for everyone to read. Unless you agree with Chizad or AWK, you are not a reasonable thinking human being.
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That's not what I said. I said Garman's not. I disagree with AWK and Chizad on a lot of things. But I'm not going to let the fact that I'm a Southern Baptist, hinder me from rationalizing things and supporting ideas that are different than the majority of my denomination.
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That's not what I said. I said Garman's not. I disagree with AWK and Chizad on a lot of things. But I'm not going to let the fact that I'm a Southern Baptist, hinder me from rationalizing things and supporting ideas that are different than the majority of my denomination.
So, Garman's not a reasonable thinking human being because he doesn't agree with AWK and Chizad? How is that different?
I don't agree with a lot of Garman's opinions. I don't agree with a lot of AWK or Chizad's opinions either. And I definitely don't believe anyone should be forced to keep legal papers on them, be shot on sight, or pulled over and questioned by authorities based on ethnicity.
I also don't believe people aren't capable of rationalized thinking if they don't agree with a certain position. You can say that's not what you meant, but it's more than obvious a few people hold that exact position.
Agree to disagree? Not with some. You either believe ___________ or you're an ignorant redneck.
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There you have it folks. Typed us nice and neat for everyone to read. Unless you agree with Chizad or AWK, you are not a reasonable thinking human being.
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He said it... It's like an admission of sorts.
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That's not what I said. I said Garman's not. I disagree with AWK and Chizad on a lot of things. But I'm not going to let the fact that I'm a Southern Baptist, hinder me from rationalizing things and supporting ideas that are different than the majority of my denomination.
This has been going from thread-to-thread in here, so I'm not sure if you've even been keeping up or have the full context. If you happen disagree with these guys, it's usually because you're Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white man or something else. There's no rationalizing things with them when they start with their narrow-minded stereotypes, and if anyone else does it toward one of their pet demographic groups, they're the first ones to call you a bigot. That's it...
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Agree to disagree? Not with some. You either believe ___________ or you're an ignorant redneck.
Rumor has it this has resulted in 2 pretty decent people walking away from here. Neither of them were ignorant rednecks either.
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I usually stay out of the politics, but Tim did go to Auburn. That's another reason to vote for him and I'm a redneck and he likes rednecks. So I'm going to vote for him just because he made that great commercial and all the lefties on the talk show circuit of dogging him even Paul Feinbaum.
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This has been going from thread-to-thread in here, so I'm not sure if you've even been keeping up or have the full context. If you happen disagree with these guys, it's usually because you're Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white man or something else. There's no rationalizing things with them when they start with their narrow-minded stereotypes, and if anyone else does it toward one of their pet demographic groups, they're the first ones to call you a bigot. That's it...
Link? From me, not someone else. Unlike other topics however, in this particular case, I will make that distinction.
If you saw that commercial and actually thought he made a good point...you might be a redneck. If you thought that it should be a top priority issue for Alabama to spend millions of dollars so that other languages are not accommodated on a learner's permit exam, because in your mind it's "catering to them Mexicans"...you might be a redneck. If you don't realize, or worse, care, that this would discourage the Korean and German industries who have recently been creating jobs in our state from doing so...you might be a redneck. If you don't realize, or worse care, that we've had these exams in multiple languages until the mid-90's when Alabama changed them to English only, until that was ruled unconstitutional in Federal Court...you might be a redneck. If you didn't learn from the history of that blunder where the state lost millions of dollars in legal fees for trying this the first time...you might be a redneck. If your dad was governor during the time in which it was ruled unconstitutional, but you still must pose the question that ad is based off of...you might be a redneck. If you read this article (http://theworldaroundyou.com/2010/04/23/tim-james-might-want-to-learn-the-history-of-english-only-drivers-license-examinations-in-alabama/) and still refuse to admit that this policy he is running on would be a colossal failure for Alabama...you might be a redneck.
(http://www.nndb.com/people/676/000022610/foxworthy-crop.jpg)
I usually stay out of the politics, but Tim did go to Auburn. That's another reason to vote for him and I'm a redneck and he likes rednecks. So I'm going to vote for him just because he made that great commercial and all the lefties on the talk show circuit of dogging him even Paul Feinbaum.
(http://listicles.thelmagazine.com/wp-content/upload/ironhide_facepalm.jpg)
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If you graduated from Auburn, you might be a redneck.
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If you use the term "redneck", you might be a racist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck)
Redneck is a derogatory slang term to refer to poor white Southern farmers in the United States.[1] It is similar in meaning to "cracker".
Because if Wikipedia (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=8785.msg115444#msg115444) says it.....
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Link? From me, not someone else.
Try entire thread after entire thread... Just about every time you and your gurlz use terms like Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white male and several others, the context and purpose of your use is to immediately demean, discredit, humiliate, classify and slander another or another's position.
Unlike other topics however, in this particular case, I will make that distinction.
If you saw that commercial and actually thought he made a good point...you might be a redneck. If you thought that it should be a top priority issue for Alabama to spend millions of dollars so that other languages are not accommodated on a learner's permit exam, because in your mind it's "catering to them Mexicans"...you might be a redneck. If you don't realize, or worse, care, that this would discourage the Korean and German industries who have recently been creating jobs in our state from doing so...you might be a redneck. If you don't realize, or worse care, that we've had these exams in multiple languages until the mid-90's when Alabama changed them to English only, until that was ruled unconstitutional in Federal Court...you might be a redneck. If you didn't learn from the history of that blunder where the state lost millions of dollars in legal fees for trying this the first time...you might be a redneck. If your dad was governor during the time in which it was ruled unconstitutional, but you still must pose the question that ad is based off of...you might be a redneck. If you read this article (http://theworldaroundyou.com/2010/04/23/tim-james-might-want-to-learn-the-history-of-english-only-drivers-license-examinations-in-alabama/) and still refuse to admit that this policy he is running on would be a colossal failure for Alabama...you might be a redneck.
There you go... The only distinction I see is your willingness to excuse your use of a derogatory term against another who may have a different opinion or position than you. Nice distinction... Point proven again.
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Self loathing racists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whNIWUQGwj0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whNIWUQGwj0#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOP8j8vJAkE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOP8j8vJAkE#)
Same goes for the thousands of people with the word "Redneck" in rebel flag font on t-shirts and/or decals in their rear truck window.
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Try entire thread after entire thread... Just about every time you and your gurlz use terms like Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white male and several others, the context and purpose of your use is to immediately demean, discredit, humiliate, classify and slander another or another's position.
This is so completely nonsensical, I don't even know where to begin responding to you. I am undeniably white and heterosexual. I only use those terms to demean people? WTF? At absolute best, I may have accused you of not being able to see outside of your voluntary box of confinement to those traits that you cannot look past. To you, everyone must be all of those things or have their rights trampled on. Regardless, this is getting far too abstract, and does nothing but your intended purpose of straying the conversation away from the actual subject, because it is indefensible.
There you go... The only distinction I see is your willingness to excuse your use of a derogatory term against another who may have a different opinion or position than you. Nice distinction... Point proven again.
Comprehension fail.
I stated clearly that this is the first and only issue discussed on this forum, where I would make that distinction. Prove me otherwise. When else have I called someone a redneck for disagreeing politically? I may call you a redneck for being blatantly racist, or having zero human compassion for people of a different race, religion, nationality, or sexuality than yourself. That's not political disagreement. That's civil human beings vs. neanderthals. Find me one Republican Senator that advocates "shooting them all on site" as CCTAU did when speaking of Mexicans, or would explicitly detail a fantasy scenario of a mass murder of black people as Kaos did. I'll find you one that would be kicked out of office so fast his head would spin.
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More self loathing racists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riD38x91rIo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riD38x91rIo#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHM513DKuxc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHM513DKuxc#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoiflCJqatQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoiflCJqatQ#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vdIxoOmUCE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vdIxoOmUCE#)
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More self loathing racists.
That's some good racist shit ryetch thayar.
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Rumor has it this has resulted in 2 pretty decent people walking away from here. Neither of them were ignorant rednecks either.
Who was the other one?
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Who was the other one?
Adam
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Self loathing racists:
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Same goes for the thousands of people with the word "Redneck" in rebel flag font on t-shirts and/or decals in their rear truck window.
If that's supposed to excuse your use of a derogatory term, then I'm guessing you'll find thousands of examples with Rap "artists" excusing the use of that dreaded N-word.
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This is so completely nonsensical, I don't even know where to begin responding to you. I am undeniably white and heterosexual. I only use those terms to demean people? WTF? At absolute best, I may have accused you of not being able to see outside of your voluntary box of confinement to those traits that you cannot look past. To you, everyone must be all of those things or have their rights trampled on. Regardless, this is getting far too abstract, and does nothing but your intended purpose of straying the conversation away from the actual subject, because it is indefensible.
You're unbelievable... I'm lost for words. Where do I begin? Oh, I know. Blame those PHUCKING CHRISTIANS again!
Comprehension fail.
I stated clearly that this is the first and only issue discussed on this forum, where I would make that distinction. Prove me otherwise. When else have I called someone a redneck for disagreeing politically? I may call you a redneck for being blatantly racist, or having zero human compassion for people of a different race, religion, nationality, or sexuality than yourself. That's not political disagreement. That's civil human beings vs. neanderthals. Find me one Republican Senator that advocates "shooting them all on site" as CCTAU did when speaking of Mexicans, or would explicitly detail a fantasy scenario of a mass murder of black people as Kaos did. I'll find you one that would be kicked out of office so fast his head would spin.
Amazing... And, you don't see the similarities with yourself and your positions? You toss "Christianity" around as if it were another hate-group, and you seem to have a worse opinion of Southern Baptists. We better not get you started on those heterosexual white males... Unbelievable...
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Adam
Since I don't know most of you personally, who is Adam?
Chad- you weren't talking to me and if you were I'm not sure why. I was never arguing in favor of this politician or this commercial. I don't know how many times I have to say it. My issue with you is the way you frame an argument - EVERY SINGLE TIME. Either agree with you - or youre stupid, thats your logic. Because your view has to be the supreme logical way of thinking.
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If that's supposed to excuse your use of a derogatory term, then I'm guessing you'll find thousands of examples with Rap "artists" excusing the use of that dreaded N-word.
We've rehashed this a thousand times. There's a difference. Auburn fans have no problems calling Alabama fans rednecks, and vice-versa. It's only a shockingly offensive term when someone you disagree with uses it.
You're unbelievable... I'm lost for words. Where do I begin? Oh, I know. Blame those PHUCKING CHRISTIANS again!
Amazing... And, you don't see the similarities with yourself and your positions? You toss "Christianity" around as if it were another hate-group, and you seem to have a worse opinion of Southern Baptists. We better not get you started on those heterosexual white males... Unbelievable...
You are completely delusional and deranged. I think maybe that's your main problem in these forums. You can't read what's in front of you, so you come up with something completely random out of left field and argue with that as if it were my position.
Find the word "Christian" in my post one time. Just once. Or anything that would slightly suggest anything about religion. You've lost it.
Rumor has it this has resulted in 2 pretty decent people walking away from here. Neither of them were ignorant rednecks either.
Let me get this straight. Two people used to post here, but no longer do because two or three people disagree with them on certain issues? They just couldn't stand that minority opinion that is only voiced in about 5% of threads in the political forums? Espousing such radical leftist propaganda as "Hey, Hispanics are people too" is just too much for them to handle? Even if they couldn't take the heat from, heaven forbid, debate in a political forum, could they not have just stayed out and continue to post in other forums on the board?
And let's get one thing straight. GarMan's characterization of how these arguments go is nowhere near reality. After the hundredth or so racist/homophobic/blatantly false rant, occasionally a very small few of us will step up and disagree with the herd. Any time Taylor or I offer an opinion, it is berated with "Beta Male" this, or "left wing extremist" that, or "dope smoking hippie" this, or "young with no experience in the real world" that. It's beyond ridiculous to say that a few of us are the ones bullying people off the board with our opinions.
Chad- you weren't talking to me and if you were I'm not sure why. I was never arguing in favor of this politician or this commercial. I don't know how many times I have to say it. My issue with you is the way you frame an argument - EVERY SINGLE TIME. Either agree with you - or youre stupid, thats your logic. Because your view has to be the supreme logical way of thinking.
I could say the exact thing for everyone else here on this board.
There are plenty of political discussions that I don't get involved in. I only open my mouth when it's so black & white, I just feel like I have to say something. What you're saying then is that you don't dispute anything I've said in this thread, but you're going to argue with me anyway. And I'm the one being stubbornly argumentative?
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There are plenty of political discussions that I don't get involved in. I only open my mouth when it's so black & white, I just feel like I have to say something. What you're saying then is that you don't dispute anything I've said in this thread, but you're going to argue with me anyway. And I'm the one being stubbornly argumentative?
No, I'm saying 2 things:
1. I am not sure why you were arguing with me about Tim James when I never disagreed with you.
2. Just because I don't necessarily agree with Tim James and the commercial doesn't mean I have the right to bestow upon someone who does the title of idiot or redneck. Thats exactly what you did to Kaos. Whats sad is that its far from truth. If you want to call someone a redneck who actually exhibits the traits and deserves it (in your typical Bammer analogy),then feel free. But Kevin was far from a redneck.
It came off as looking like: You don't agree with me on this issue, so youre a racist redneck. There was really no merit in it.
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No, I'm saying 2 things:
1. I am not sure why you were arguing with me about Tim James when I never disagreed with you.
2. Just because I don't necessarily agree with Tim James and the commercial doesn't mean I have the right to bestow upon someone who does the title of idiot or redneck. Thats exactly what you did to Kaos. Whats sad is that its far from truth. If you want to call someone a redneck who actually exhibits the traits and deserves it (in your typical Bammer analogy),then feel free. But Kevin was far from a redneck.
It came off as looking like: You don't agree with me on this issue, so youre a racist redneck. There was really no merit in it.
Taylor presented the commercial, and said (accurately) that all Tim James was doing was making a desperate appeal to the redneck constituency who see that and kneejerk react "Hayl Yah! Em damn Mexicans just wanna try to stop us from speakin American!". Kaos did pretty much just that in this thread. And said he would vote for him "now," indicating that his vote was won by this commercial. He took Tim James' bait hook, line, and sinker. And I said congratulations, you're one of the rednecks whose vote he was trying to win by making a commercial like that.
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This is laughable.
What I'm hearing here is that two or three people who dare to question the Republican/Social Conservative circle jerk that is the X's political forum are the sole reason some people decided to take their ball and go home. Really?
That is the weakest of weaksauce.
You guys would rather have a group backslapping and mutual admiration meeting than engage in lively debate?
Taylor and Chad are no more to blame for sandy vaginas than Pillowpants.
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He took Tim James' bait hook, line, and sinker. And I said congratulations, you're one of the rednecks whose vote he was trying to win by making a commercial like that.
Or did you?
You really don't think he was trying to get at you a bit? That's Kaos' MO. Although I'm sure he didn't disagree with Tim James, I doubt he was that dogmatic and "simpleton" towards the whole thing. That guy is/was as complex as anyone on here, so I doubt that his comments were at face value.
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You guys would rather have a group backslapping and mutual admiration meeting than engage in lively debate?
For one, leave me out of this group. I like the debate personally.
And two - What I don't like is when the debate takes a turn into a huge tangent of backfists to the nuts, personal jabs and worthless rhetoric. I will often use the terms "fair enough", "agree to disagree", etc. I try to be objective as possible.
I also understand there is the hypocrisy that some might see in the personal jabs category when speaking of Kaos. And thats understood. But in most cases, the back and forth mud slinging (just like in an election year) will usually lead to nothing productive in a debate, one or more will walk away because they've had enough of the crap and in the end what the hell has been accomplished? I think thats what happened here. It really has nothing to do with political parties, leanings, etc.
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For one, leave me out of this group. I like the debate personally.
For one, I didn't single you out, hoss.
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For one, leave me out of this group. I like the debate personally.
And two - What I don't like is when the debate takes a turn into a huge tangent of backfists to the nuts, personal jabs and worthless rhetoric. I will often use the terms "fair enough", "agree to disagree", etc. I try to be objective as possible.
I also understand there is the hypocrisy that some might see in the personal jabs category when speaking of Kaos. And thats understood. But in most cases, the back and forth mud slinging (just like in an election year) will usually lead to nothing productive in a debate, one or more will walk away because they've had enough of the crap and in the end what the hell has been accomplished? I think thats what happened here. It really has nothing to do with political parties, leanings, etc.
I agree.
And I think you'd find that if the mud slinging didn't originate from Kaos & GarMan, you wouldn't see it in return.
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For one, I didn't single you out, hoss.
Ok - that was good. :bugs:
Where's your two? You can't have a one without a two when counting.
I will repeat my question - who is/was Adam?
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Ok - that was good. :bugs:
Where's your two? You can't have a one without a two when counting.
I will repeat my question - who is/was Adam?
He used to post here, but has dropped off the map as of late due to him being deployed.
FYI - If you leave a message board because you disagree with someones political views, then you are a pussy.
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He used to post here, but has dropped off the map as of late due to him being deployed.
FYI - If you leave a message board because you disagree with someones political views, then you are a pussy.
This is true if you are leaving because someone disagrees with your opinion, but I'd like to think that people are getting pissed because of people attacking peoples chartacter rather than attacking the issue.
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Ok - that was good. :bugs:
Where's your two? You can't have a one without a two when counting.
I reserve the right to stop counting at any number of my choosing. Otherwise we'd be here for a very long time.
I will repeat my question - who is/was Adam?
He had a few names over the years, but I'll be damned if I can remember any right now. Stanley Applebaum maybe?
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but I'd like to think that people are getting pissed because of people attacking peoples chartacter rather than attacking the issue.
You said what I was trying to say - in much fewer words.
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Just my opinion...for the record...there is no way on God's green earth that Kaos left this board because of a disagreement over this or any other issue. Right or wrong, the man lives to take a position and debate it to the death (So to speak). If he did leave because of that, something's gone wrong with that boy's medulla oblongata.
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Just my opinion...for the record...there is no way on God's green earth that Kaos left this board because of a disagreement over this or any other issue. Right or wrong, the man lives to take a position and debate it to the death (So to speak). If he did leave because of that, something's gone wrong with that boy's medulla oblongata.
Dem' Gators have all dem' teeth with no tooth brush.
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I agree with Tim James. ALL illegals should be deported.....
Or shot.
Tim James for gubner.
And the rest of you that do not agree with me, kiss my redneck grits.
Did I mention illegals should be shot?
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I agree with Tim James. ALL illegals should be deported.....
Or shot.
Tim James for gubner.
And the rest of you that do not agree with me, kiss my redneck grits.
Did I mention illegals should be shot?
I rest my case, your honor.
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Just my opinion...for the record...there is no way on God's green earth that Kaos left this board because of a disagreement over this or any other issue. Right or wrong, the man lives to take a position and debate it to the death (So to speak). If he did leave because of that, something's gone wrong with that boy's medulla oblongata.
He was seriously sick last week. No joke. Ive had illnesses do crazier things to my logic. Who knows.
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We've rehashed this a thousand times. There's a difference. Auburn fans have no problems calling Alabama fans rednecks, and vice-versa. It's only a shockingly offensive term when someone you disagree with uses it.
That sounds like bullscat to me. Personally, I don't find either term "shockingly offensive", but if it sounds like hypocrisy...
You are completely delusional and deranged. I think maybe that's your main problem in these forums. You can't read what's in front of you, so you come up with something completely random out of left field and argue with that as if it were my position.
I think it's more the way you come into these threads to defend your gurlz. The obvious assumption is that you completely support their position when you defend and continue along the same lines of their argument.
Find the word "Christian" in my post one time. Just once. Or anything that would slightly suggest anything about religion. You've lost it.
There's a Search function in the top bar. You've stepped into a lot of threads where challenging Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white male and several other values were discussed. One of many examples...
I never held a post in the party, but I was driven away from the Republican Party because they sold their fiscal conservative values to the religious right for votes.
Bingo.
And, there are a lot more.
And let's get one thing straight. GarMan's characterization of how these arguments go is nowhere near reality. After the hundredth or so racist/homophobic/blatantly false rant, occasionally a very small few of us will step up and disagree with the herd. Any time Taylor or I offer an opinion, it is berated with "Beta Male" this, or "left wing extremist" that, or "dope smoking hippie" this, or "young with no experience in the real world" that. It's beyond ridiculous to say that a few of us are the ones bullying people off the board with our opinions.
I could say the exact thing for everyone else here on this board.
Sorry Queen... That's ridiculous. I truly enjoy learning about alternative opinions along with the rationale behind them, but when they solely involve disparaging the others position with name-calling or accusing the other of being Neanderthal, how else would you expect us to respond?
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This is laughable.
What I'm hearing here is that two or three people who dare to question the Republican/Social Conservative circle jerk that is the X's political forum are the sole reason some people decided to take their ball and go home. Really?
That is the weakest of weaksauce.
You guys would rather have a group backslapping and mutual admiration meeting than engage in lively debate?
Taylor and Chad are no more to blame for sandy vaginas than Pillowpants.
Seriously, I think it's just the tactics that keep people out of here and chase people away. As I just said in another post, I enjoy learning about alternative opinions, but I don't expect to be called a homophobe, Neanderthal or right-wing Christian devil for sharing mine.
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I rest my case, your honor.
You never had a case. Just your enlightened reasoning that says we should sacrifice OUR country before we actually try and stand up for it. Typical legalese.
Everything is good. We are all fine. I can't see it from my house. Let Arizona worry about it. Those supreme lawgivers will slap them damn redneck racist bastards down.
We have a problem with illegal immigration and all folks like you want to do what we have been doing, and expect a different outcome. Guess what that is the definition of?
Arizona is doing what they need to do. Are we as a nation?
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I agree.
And I think you'd find that if the mud slinging didn't originate from Kaos & GarMan, you wouldn't see it in return.
Originate from me? Really? What was this you just posted???
Taylor presented the commercial, and said (accurately) that all Tim James was doing was making a desperate appeal to the redneck constituency who see that and kneejerk react "Hayl Yah! Em damn Mexicans just wanna try to stop us from speakin American!". Kaos did pretty much just that in this thread. And said he would vote for him "now," indicating that his vote was won by this commercial. He took Tim James' bait hook, line, and sinker. And I said congratulations, you're one of the rednecks whose vote he was trying to win by making a commercial like that.
I must have read that wrong... It's all my fault.
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There's a Search function in the top bar. You've stepped into a lot of threads where challenging Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white male and several other values were discussed. One of many examples...
I never held a post in the party, but I was driven away from the Republican Party because they sold their fiscal conservative values to the religious right for votes.
Bingo.
And, there are a lot more.
Really? That's the best you've got. I'm sure there are "a lot more", but all you could produce was me saying "Bingo" in response to someone else's post. How radical of me to agree with something someone else said.
And for the record, I think it's a bit dramatic to refer to even Wes's comment in your example as "challenging Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white male and several other values". I think you'll find many Republicans (not of Tim James/Sarah Palin variety) who would agree with that assessment wholeheartedly.
And P.S., I unintentionally edited your post GarMan, in an effort to triple quote you quoting me quoting wes.
I formatted the post and clicked post thinking I was responding, and it messed up your post. I restored the part I was responding to. Feel free to go back and edit the rest of it.
My bad.
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This is true if you are leaving because someone disagrees with your opinion, but I'd like to think that people are getting pissed because of people attacking peoples chartacter rather than attacking the issue.
BINGO!!!
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You never had a case. Just your enlightened reasoning that says we should sacrifice OUR country before we actually try and stand up for it. Typical legalese.
Everything is good. We are all fine. I can't see it from my house. Let Arizona worry about it. Those supreme lawgivers will slap them damn redneck racist bastards down.
We have a problem with illegal immigration and all folks like you want to do what we have been doing, and expect a different outcome. Guess what that is the definition of?
Arizona is doing what they need to do. Are we as a nation?
Here's why you're an idiot.
The Tim James thing doesn't have diddly shit to do with immigration reform. Still, it appeals to morons that make that connection. Because after all, there's only two languages, right? Mexican & American!
Originate from me? Really? What was this you just posted???
I must have read that wrong... It's all my fault.
You still don't get it, which is what's laughable. I'm not calling someone an idiot redneck for disagreeing with me. I specifically listed WHY the Tim James commercial was pandering TO idiot rednecks. Kaos proudly admitted he was one of them. By the way, I have a buddy who is big in Alabama Republican politics. He's running the Bradley Byrne campaign, and couldn't say enough about how completely and utterly idiotic this whole commercial and the idea behind it is. Like I said, it's not a political disagreement. It really is, you either understand what this is, or you're an idiot. It really is that simple in this case.
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Bingo.
And, there are a lot more.
Really? That's the best you've got. I'm sure there are "a lot more", but all you could produce was me saying "Bingo" in response to someone else's post. How radical of me to agree with something someone else said.
And for the record, I think it's a bit dramatic to refer to even Wes's comment in your example as "challenging Christian, Conservative, heterosexual, Baptist, white male and several other values". I think you'll find many Republicans (not of Tim James/Sarah Palin variety) who would agree with that assessment wholeheartedly.
It's all me. You guys are never the first ones to stereotype and disparage any particular group that you disagree with. I must be mistaken. It's all me...
And P.S., I unintentionally edited your post GarMan, in an effort to triple quote you quoting me quoting wes.
I formatted the post and clicked post thinking I was responding, and it messed up your post. I restored the part I was responding to. Feel free to go back and edit the rest of it.
My bad.
Yeah... You also deleted more than half of my response... NICE...
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By the way, I hit the back button enough that I was able to restore the post.
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Sorry Queen... That's ridiculous. I truly enjoy learning about alternative opinions along with the rationale behind them, but when they solely involve disparaging the others position with name-calling or accusing the other of being Neanderthal, how else would you expect us to respond?
I must have read that wrong... It's all my fault.
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I think you'll find many Republicans (not of Tim James/Sarah Palin variety) who would agree with that assessment wholeheartedly.
Mr. Conservative, Barry Goldwater - was one of them. Just saying. The Reagan/Goldwater/Ron Paul model is the one I most subscribe to - not Tim James, not Sarah Palin, not Pat Robertson, not John McCain.
"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' " (1909-1998) Goldwater, US Senator (R-Arizona) Source: Congressional Record, September 16, 1981
"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass." - Goldwater
"If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet," he told U.S. News & World Report in 1994, "they could do us in." In an interview with The Post that same year, Goldwater observed, "When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."
"Well, I've spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the 'Old Conservatism.' And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength." Insisted Goldwater, "Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. . . "By maintaining the separation of church and state," he explained, "the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?"
Goldwater concluded with a waming to the American people. "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," { he said,} "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . . We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now" { he insisted}. "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."
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Originate from me? Really? What was this you just posted???
I must have read that wrong... It's all my fault.
There are plenty of threads begun with sentiments along the lines of "Here's another thing that those beta-male, liberals would like to see!".
So, when the few non-herd members here jump in, of course they're on the defensive. They've had their manhood challenged from the jump.
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Mr. Conservative, Barry Goldwater - was one of them. Just saying. The Reagan/Goldwater/Ron Paul model is the one I most subscribe to - not Tim James, not Sarah Palin, not Pat Robertson, not John McCain.
"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' " (1909-1998) Goldwater, US Senator (R-Arizona) Source: Congressional Record, September 16, 1981
"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass." - Goldwater
"If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet," he told U.S. News & World Report in 1994, "they could do us in." In an interview with The Post that same year, Goldwater observed, "When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."
"Well, I've spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the 'Old Conservatism.' And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength." Insisted Goldwater, "Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. . . "By maintaining the separation of church and state," he explained, "the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?"
Goldwater concluded with a waming to the American people. "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," { he said,} "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . . We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now" { he insisted}. "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."
A-fuckin'-men, brother.
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A-phukin'-men, brother.
BTW - I am a Christian. This is what Ive been trying to tell you and Wes. Not every Christian is a dogmatic, damning Fallwell zealout. Many are - and they probably get on my nerves as much as they do yours. I think they give the religion a bad name. This is much of the reason I don't go to church anymore. Many Christians act nothing like Christ. Hate the followers, but dont hate the Christ. Many "Christians" have totally perverted the Bible and Christianity in general. When you start judging my soul as a fellow human and Christian, youve lost me. Its funny how so many people who claim to read the Bible, don't. "Judge not, that ye be not judged?" - Matthew 7:1. I wonder why they only read or interpret things out of the Bible that are convenient to them? Hmmm....I was actually told by a family member that if I wasnt putting 10% of my gross paycheck in the plate every week, I was certain to burn. Ummm yeah - you just lost me. And show me where the doctrine says this....because it doesn't.
Ive posted this quote before, but it never gets old => I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ - Gandhi
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Just my opinion...for the record...there is no way on God's green earth that Kaos left this board because of a disagreement over this or any other issue. Right or wrong, the man lives to take a position and debate it to the death (So to speak). If he did leave because of that, something's gone wrong with that boy's medulla oblongata.
This thread has little to do with a debate. It is more of an argument between 2 retards.
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Are you guys serious?
This is just dumb... The commercial is dumb and Tim James is a simpleton. As an Alabamian or prior Alabamian you should all be ashamed that this man is representing the state. This is gives people ammunition to mock us.
The commercial is retarded. Yes, genius, the problem to our budget issue is to reduce the languages on the DL test. I thought this was America...rabble rabble...they took er jobs!
I love the American mentality portrayed by people on this board. Jibba Jab! They should speak Anglish if they live here...Yet, if you travel to any other country you expect them to speak English there or it angers you...
Im not trying to call AWK out, but I think the downhill slide started here with the jabs....Page 1 - it didnt take long on this thread.
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Im not trying to call AWK out, but I think the downhill slide started here with the jabs....Page 1 - it didnt take long on this thread.
The first 3/4's of that post is making fun of James...
The second part is not targeted towards anyone specifically, and was made true by many of the posts preceding and following it.
I said it before, but I don't really care anymore. It's obvious that if you don't stick to the status quo people get their vagina's bent out of shape. Continue with the back patting.
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It's obvious that if you don't stick to the status quo people get their vagina's bent out of shape.
Just because your dick is bent doesn't mean the vagina is bent out of shape.--Ghandi
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Just because your dick is bent doesn't mean the vagina is bent out of shape.--Ghandi
I want some fucking rice. --Ghandi
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Just because your dick is bent doesn't mean the vagina is bent out of shape.--Ghandi
That's my favorite of the Mahatma's quotes.
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I must have read that wrong... It's all my fault.
After being attacked the way we were in the DADT thread, I figured that you guys would appreciate the gay-friendly terms of endearment. Besides, you know that's just a harmless little jab along with beta-male and others that I use. I don't recall ever calling you an idiot in this thread, but you guys promptly take a difference of opinion, perception or whatever and turn it into a personal attack. I can't see how you're incapable of recognizing the difference.
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The first 3/4's of that post is making fun of James...
The second part is not targeted towards anyone specifically, and was made true by many of the posts preceding and following it.
I said it before, but I don't really care anymore. It's obvious that if you don't stick to the status quo people get their vagina's bent out of shape. Continue with the back patting.
I'm just showing you where the insults starting flying in the thread. You see things through very different glasses than me obviously.
Arguing against the status quo is one thing. Starting an elitist mentality, "you're wrong if you don't agree with my assessment" pissing contest is another. You can generalize all you want on the back patting but you know good and well that I don't subscribe to any "club" or status quo. I don't fall in line. I'm gonna tell you what I think. If it conflicts with you, Kaos or GarMan - I don't care. You're pissed because not everyone agreed with your assessment. You couldn't fathom that your opinion might not be law of the land. At least Chad seems to be able to understand my position.
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There are plenty of threads begun with sentiments along the lines of "Here's another thing that those beta-male, liberals would like to see!".
So, when the few non-herd members here jump in, of course they're on the defensive. They've had their manhood challenged from the jump.
Well, true beta-males have no manhood to defend. I can't help that.
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I'm just showing you where the insults starting flying in the thread. You see things through very different glasses than me obviously.
Arguing against the status quo is one thing. Starting an elitist mentality, "you're wrong if you don't agree with my assessment" pissing contest is another. You can generalize all you want on the back patting but you know good and well that I don't subscribe to any "club" or status quo. I don't fall in line. I'm gonna tell you what I think. If it conflicts with you, Kaos or GarMan - I don't care. You're pissed because not everyone agreed with your assessment. You couldn't fathom that your opinion might not be law of the land. At least Chad seems to be able to understand my position.
I'm not pissed at all. I don't give a flying fuck if a single person agrees with me and I have no elitist mentality.
My whole point to this stupid thread is that the commercial is ridiculous and makes Alabama look stupid. Period.
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Also, when people say stuff like "shoot em all", "beta-male", and other barely even offensive things it's hard not to step back and say what the fuck?
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Also, when people say stuff like "shoot em all", "beta-male", and other barely even offensive things it's hard not to step back and say what the phuk?
And the sign says - long haired hippie people.....need not apply.
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And the sign says - long haired hippie people.....need not apply.
You got to have a membership card to get inside....Huuuaa
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This thread has little to do with a debate. It is more of an argument between 2 retards.
You have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know...
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You have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know...
Exactly. There are way more than 2 retards on this thread.
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Also, when people say stuff like "shoot em all", "beta-male", and other barely even offensive things it's hard not to step back and say what the phuk?
Sort of like my reaction to every one of your posts in here...
:thumsup:
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Exactly. There are way more than 2 retards on this thread.
Also, Dude, retard is not the preferred nomenclature. Logically-challenged, please.
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Also, Dude, retard is not the preferred nomenclature. Logically-challenged, please.
http://www.youknow-forkids.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/dudeprint.jpg (http://www.youknow-forkids.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/dudeprint.jpg)
The Dude Abides.
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It's obvious that if you don't stick to the status quo people get their vagina's bent out of shape. Continue with the back patting.
If the status quo is rational discussion about a topic, while respecting alternative opinions and perspectives without resorting to personal attacks, you're right. You and your pals will continue to offend and piss people off around here. But, don't get your panties in a wad when others throw it back at you. A couple of light-hearted jabs are just part of the fun and games, but the arrogant, know-it-all attacks calling anyone who disagrees with you an "idiot" is beyond ridiculous. There have been several great discussions across polar-opposite positions in here without resorting to that crap.
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Also, Dude, retard is not the preferred nomenclature. Logically-challenged, please.
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Also, when people say stuff like "shoot em all", "beta-male", and other barely even offensive things it's hard not to step back and say what the fuck?
Reading comprehension is not a strong suit I see. No one said "shoot'em all". It was stated very clearly that ANYONE trying to cross the border illegally should be shot.
We are at war with terrorists and we are being invaded on our borders. Should we not be a little more vigilant at keeping this from happening?
What you got confused was that it was stated to "Deport them all".
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If the status quo is rational discussion about a topic, while respecting alternative opinions and perspectives without resorting to personal attacks, you're right. You and your pals will continue to offend and piss people off around here. But, don't get your panties in a wad when others throw it back at you. A couple of light-hearted jabs are just part of the fun and games, but the arrogant, know-it-all attacks calling anyone who disagrees with you an "idiot" is beyond ridiculous. There have been several great discussions across polar-opposite positions in here without resorting to that crap.
...sigh, ok, whatever.
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...sigh, ok, whatever.
I don't get it big Dan.
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I don't get it big Dan.
Es ist wie sprechen, eine Mauer.
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My whole point to this stupid thread is that the commercial is ridiculous and makes Alabama look stupid. Period.
I guess it depends on who's perspective is being used. A lot of people agree with Tim's take. From what I read, Tejas & Florida are looking at following Arizona's lead in the fight against illegal immigration. The English only drivers exam is a weak shot in comparison, but it's another sign that the states facing this invasion are tired of sitting around waiting on big gubmint to get off their asses and do something to combat the problem.
This whole "doing ______ will make us look like stupid rednecks" argument lost a lot of steam during our basketball coach search. I really don't care what anyone outside the state thinks. They have no bearing on my life. All I want is for someone somewhere to do something about the problem.
Here's a little nugget to end on. I took a drivers exam in both Spain & Italy. Neither were available in English.
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I guess it depends on who's perspective is being used. A lot of people agree with Tim's take. From what I read, Tejas & Florida are looking at following Arizona's lead in the fight against illegal immigration. The English only drivers exam is a weak shot in comparison, but it's another sign that the states facing this invasion are tired of sitting around waiting on big gubmint to get off their asses and do something to combat the problem.
This whole "doing ______ will make us look like stupid rednecks" argument lost a lot of steam during our basketball coach search. I really don't care what anyone outside the state thinks. They have no bearing on my life. All I want is for someone somewhere to do something about the problem.
Here's a little nugget to end on. I took a drivers exam in both Spain & Italy. Neither were available in English.
What problem? This doesn't have shit to do with immigration. And there's no noticeable illegal alien problem in Alabama, even if it were. You're playing into his hands of believing it is, though. As even James himself made a point to note, the exam is not in only English & Spanish, but twelve different languages. As already rehashed, changing the exams now would discourage the recent influx of international business. As already rehashed, we already tried this in the 90's and it didn't work. We lost millions in legal fees and federal funding, AND it was ruled unconstitutional. That should be all you have to know, right there.
How can you or any educated person say with a straight face that THIS is the #1 concern for the state of Alabama right now. The fact that someone might prefer to take the driver's test in a foreign language. This is such a big deal that we need to waste millions of dollars in taxpayer money to fix it. That notion is simply absurd.
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Actually, I haven't stated an opinion on the issue. I'm just pointing out that those who do see it this way have a equally valid point as those who oppose. Maybe the cure as a nation for this debate is to declare an official language and get it over with.
And, for the record, I consider myself to be an educated person.
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How can you or any educated person say with a straight face that THIS is the #1 concern for the state of Alabama right now.
It's not. Neither was the stupid gourmet beer law, but some people were shitting their pants over it.
Typical Alabama logic, as it pertains to this topic is more like "Why we gotta have brurrys? I get my Nattie Light from the Piggy Wig. I don't need em to make it in fronta me!"
Interestingly enough, those who were opposed to the bill were also thrown into the redneck category.
I see a pattern.
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It's not. Neither was the stupid gourmet beer law, but some people were shitting their pants over it.
Interestingly enough, those who were opposed to the bill were also thrown into the redneck category.
I see a pattern.
Alabama fans = rednecks?
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It's not. Neither was the stupid gourmet beer law, but some people were shitting their pants over it.
Interestingly enough, those who were opposed to the bill were also thrown into the redneck category.
I see a pattern.
Everyone tried to make this argument about the gourmet beer thing. That it's not the #1 biggest issue facing Alabama. There is one major difference between that issue and this one. This one is going to allocate millions of dollars in taxpayer money so that we can "Put them Mexicans in their rahtful place!" No longer having beers that are more than 5% alcohol be outlawed in this state, contrarily, brings money into Alabama in business revenue. There's nothing to lose, and only something to gain. Not the least of which being that I don't have to go out of state to enjoy a tasty beer, paying taxes to that state and supporting their economy.
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What problem? This doesn't have shit to do with immigration. And there's no noticeable illegal alien problem in Alabama
Really? You really need to get out of honkytopia a little more often. Take a trip up to Blount, Etowah, or DeKalb county and count the amigos. You'll be suprised. Hell, there's enough mexicans in northern St Clair county alone to make a Clint Eastwood western.
Like I said, both sides have valid points. I agree there are 100 more pressing issues in Alabama today than the drivers exam, but to marginalize the opponents position by throwing around demeaning names adds nothing to the debate.
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Everyone tried to make this argument about the gourmet beer thing. That it's not the #1 biggest issue facing Alabama. There is one major difference between that issue and this one. This one is going to allocate millions of dollars in taxpayer money so that we can "Put them Mexicans in their rahtful place!" No longer having beers that are more than 5% alcohol be outlawed in this state, contrarily, brings money into Alabama in business revenue. There's nothing to lose, and only something to gain. Not the least of which being that I don't have to go out of state to enjoy a tasty beer, paying taxes to that state and supporting their economy.
Some people aren't willing to sell their principles. Neither you or I have the right to dictate or decide how someone should feel about certain topics. If a man isn't willing to allow more alcohol into the state for a few extra pennies, so be it. It doesn't make it wrong or right, it makes it his opinion.
To the people who don't give a shit about losing millions of billions over an English only driving exam, too fucking bad. It's already been ruled unconstitutional so that's it. But, not giving a shit about about losing a little bit of money doesn't make those people ignorant rednecks. Headstrong? Yes. But not a redneck.
Some people aren't for sell. Neither are their beliefs.
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Alabama fans = rednecks?
Tim James believes in the Auburn Creed.
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Some people aren't willing to sell their principles. Neither you or I have the right to dictate or decide how someone should feel about certain topics. If a man isn't willing to allow more alcohol into the state for a few extra pennies, so be it. It doesn't make it wrong or right, it makes it his opinion.
To the people who don't give a shit about losing millions of billions over an English only driving exam, too fucking bad. It's already been ruled unconstitutional so that's it. But, not giving a shit about about losing a little bit of money doesn't make those people ignorant rednecks. Headstrong? Yes. But not a redneck.
Some people aren't for sell. Neither are their beliefs.
If a man isn't willing to allow more alcohol into the state, then none of us can have it? So much for fair market and personal responsibility. Poll 100 people, and I guarantee you at least 99 of them don't think it's a moral abomination to responsibly enjoy an adult beverage of 5.6% alcohol, but are totally cool as long as it's 5.5% or less. And even if they didn't, that's too bad because we have a little thing called separation of church and state. Let alone the complete illogical nature of outlawing a 5.6% alcohol beer, but allowing 40% alcohol and higher liquor. Or 10% alcohol or higher wine, for that matter. A law like that makes absolutely no sense. Taking away ridiculous restrictions that do nothing but hinder the free market and force people to donate tax dollars to surrounding states makes perfect sense. Wasting millions on something already deemed unconstitutional because you want to make an immigration issue out of something where there is none, does not make any sense whatsoever.
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If a man isn't willing to allow more alcohol into the state, then none of us can have it? So much for fair market and personal responsibility. Poll 100 people, and I guarantee you at least 99 of them don't think it's a moral abomination to responsibly enjoy an adult beverage of 5.6% alcohol, but are totally cool as long as it's 5.5% or less. And even if they didn't, that's too bad because we have a little thing called separation of church and state. Let alone the complete illogical nature of outlawing a 5.6% alcohol beer, but allowing 40% alcohol and higher liquor. Or 10% alcohol or higher wine, for that matter. A law like that makes absolutely no sense. Taking away ridiculous restrictions that do nothing but hinder the free market and force people to donate tax dollars to surrounding states makes perfect sense.
I should have clarified myself a little better. A man shouldn't and can't decide for the rest of us. A man has a single vote, and if he doesn't give a fuck about a little money for more alcohol? His choice. His opinion. His vote. Doesn't make him an ignorant redneck. It makes him someone who doesn't give a shit about alcohol.
Wasting millions on something already deemed unconstitutional because you want to make an immigration issue out of something where there is none, does not make any sense whatsoever.
Billions of millions. Don't shortchange the rednecks.
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And for the record, I don't believe (fill in the blank) is anymore of a redneck than you are a hippie. Except for BZ770, because he admitted to being a redneck. Although that confuses me a bit, because apparently, he's also Jewish. I don't think I've ever seen a redneck Jew, but whatever.
Point being, I'm tired of this argument. I'm not even sure what the argument is about anymore, so I'm getting the fuck outta here. And by getting the fuck outta here, I don't mean I'm deleting my account.
So fuck yall.
Hippies.
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I should have clarified myself a little better. A man shouldn't and can't decide for the rest of us. A man has a single vote, and if he doesn't give a fuck about a little money for more alcohol? His choice. His opinion. His vote. Doesn't make him an ignorant redneck. It makes him someone who doesn't give a shit about alcohol.
Billions of millions. Don't shortchange the rednecks.
My whole thing is the alcohol thing doesn't affect anyone adversely. How are you burdened because I get to enjoy a Chimay Blue? If this driver's license thing passed, I'm forced to spend my tax money on that ridiculous shit, and the state I live in sinks further into an economic slump. It actually would take funds away from things like education and repairing roads, etc.
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Chad, I suggest you take it up with the Alabama legislature if its that big of an issue for you instead of people here.
Point being, I'm tired of this argument. I'm not even sure what the argument is about anymore, so I'm getting the phuk outta here. And by getting the phuk outta here, I don't mean I'm deleting my account.
And....THIS.
I'm with Token. After a while even I get tired of it.
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And for the record, I don't believe (fill in the blank) is anymore of a redneck than you are a hippie. Except for BZ770, because he admitted to being a redneck. Although that confuses me a bit, because apparently, he's also Jewish. I don't think I've ever seen a redneck Jew, but whatever.
Point being, I'm tired of this argument. I'm not even sure what the argument is about anymore, so I'm getting the fuck outta here. And by getting the fuck outta here, I don't mean I'm deleting my account.
So fuck yall.
Hippies.
Zinger.
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My whole thing is the alcohol thing doesn't affect anyone adversely. How are you burdened because I get to enjoy a Chimay Blue? If this driver's license thing passed, I'm forced to spend my tax money on that ridiculous shit, and the state I live in sinks further into an economic slump. It actually would take funds away from things like education and repairing roads, etc.
I'd argue that the current administration has already done FAR more damage to things that will effect education, roads and businss than something that's absolutley not going to happen anyway, like the drivers exam change.
We're all already being "forced to spend our tax money on that ridiculous shit" called healthcare reform that basically one man, and one political party has decided for us.
So like Token said, I know I'm not an asshole that doesn't want children and others to have healthcare, but because I don't approve of HOW and WHAT this particular bill means, I'm portraited as such more often than not. It's simply my belief, my vote, and I'd rather see it done another way. That simple.
Anyyyyway....
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I'm not pissed at all. I don't give a flying fuck if a single person agrees with me and I have no elitist mentality.
My whole point to this stupid thread is that the commercial is ridiculous and makes Alabama look stupid. Period.
What it actually show is the mindset of the folks in the Tim James camp think will be electing our next Gov.
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More "Common Sense" from James.
Note that he features his wife in this one, apparently for no other reason than to make sure people know he ain't no queer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DTf8u0cC8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DTf8u0cC8#)
Sex Offenders are already required to register twice a year, and when they change residence, or relocate for more than three days. Adding this requirement will not make anyone safer, it will just clog the courts with more violations of the community notification act and put more of a burden on an already underfunded and understaffed Sheriff's Department.
Am I complaining that it "is an inconvenience to sex offenders", as James's simpleton understanding of potential opposition to this states? That's absurd. It's nothing more than another false sense of security that will achieve nothing but wasting tons more state money. Just like his other "common sense" issue.
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More "Common Sense" from James.
Note that he features his wife in this one, apparently for no other reason than to make sure people know he ain't no queer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DTf8u0cC8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DTf8u0cC8#)
Sex Offenders are already required to register twice a year, and when they change residence, or relocate for more than three days. Adding this requirement will not make anyone safer, it will just clog the courts with more violations of the community notification act and put more of a burden on an already underfunded and understaffed Sheriff's Department.
Am I complaining that it "is an inconvenience to sex offenders", as James's simpleton understanding of potential opposition to this states? That's absurd. It's nothing more than another false sense of security that will achieve nothing but wasting tons more state money. Just like his other "common sense" issue.
Timmy boy knows who runs this state!
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More "Common Sense" from James.
Note that he features his wife in this one, apparently for no other reason than to make sure people know he ain't no queer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DTf8u0cC8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DTf8u0cC8#)
Sex Offenders are already required to register twice a year, and when they change residence, or relocate for more than three days. Adding this requirement will not make anyone safer, it will just clog the courts with more violations of the community notification act and put more of a burden on an already underfunded and understaffed Sheriff's Department.
Am I complaining that it "is an inconvenience to sex offenders", as James's simpleton understanding of potential opposition to this states? That's absurd. It's nothing more than another false sense of security that will achieve nothing but wasting tons more state money. Just like his other "common sense" issue.
1. The producer of James' commercials needs to be shot.
2. You're fucking batshit crazy if you believe tougher restrictions on sex offenders aren't needed. And you obviously don't deal with the motherfuckers on a daily basis. I agree that it will put more of a burden on the Sheriff's Office and court system, but it's a burden that tax payers should be willing to carry.
For the record, the court system and law enforcement will always be understaffed and heavily burdened. Shoplifters put a burden on the court. Drunk idiots fighting in the parking lot of the local club puts a burden on the courts. Dimebag Danny puts a burden on the courts. I don't know a person in the business that would have a problem spending more time and energy on keeping up with sex offenders.
And damn you, Chad, for reeling me back in.
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1. The producer of James' commercials needs to be shot.
2. You're fucking batshit crazy if you believe tougher restrictions on sex offenders aren't needed. And you obviously don't deal with the motherfuckers on a daily basis. I agree that it will put more of a burden on the Sheriff's Office and court system, but it's a burden that tax payers should be willing to carry.
For the record, the court system and law enforcement will always be understaffed and heavily burdened. Shoplifters put a burden on the court. Drunk idiots fighting in the parking lot of the local club puts a burden on the courts. Dimebag Danny puts a burden on the courts. I don't know a person in the business that would have a problem spending more time and energy on keeping up with sex offenders.
And damn you, Chad, for reeling me back in.
I'm all for keeping tabs on them...but seriously, just how much more can reasonably be done. The fucking sacks of shit can't take a dump without persmission now, and if it doesn't smell right, they get violated. And yeah, I deal with them every day on my job. The system currently in place, in addition to the private watchdog groups do a pretty good job of keeping up with them.
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1. The producer of James' commercials needs to be shot.
2. You're fucking batshit crazy if you believe tougher restrictions on sex offenders aren't needed. And you obviously don't deal with the motherfuckers on a daily basis. I agree that it will put more of a burden on the Sheriff's Office and court system, but it's a burden that tax payers should be willing to carry.
For the record, the court system and law enforcement will always be understaffed and heavily burdened. Shoplifters put a burden on the court. Drunk idiots fighting in the parking lot of the local club puts a burden on the courts. Dimebag Danny puts a burden on the courts. I don't know a person in the business that would have a problem spending more time and energy on keeping up with sex offenders.
And damn you, Chad, for reeling me back in.
I'm being serious when I ask...really? You're in law enforcement, so I will defer to you.
But do you seriously think that making sex offenders register quarter annually instead of semi-annually is going to keep the streets any safer from sex offenders? I'd say that semi-annually plus whenever they change residence, even temporarily, will do the trick. What does this achieve besides more paperwork and taxpayer money?
It doesn't take much to see through this as yet another seemingly completely random mandate to waste more tax dollars. If it ain't broke, try to fix it anyway, and call it "Common Sense".
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I'm all for keeping tabs on them...but seriously, just how much more can reasonably be done. The fucking sacks of shit can't take a dump without persmission now, and if it doesn't smell right, they get violated. And yeah, I deal with them every day on my job. The system currently in place, in addition to the private watchdog groups do a pretty good job of keeping up with them.
I'm not saying the system now isn't adequate, I'm saying placing more restrictions on them can't be a bad thing. I'm not sure how each and every county operates, but I can speak for mine. It would take a little more paperwork, but no more man power. And the more time those assholes spend at the Sheriff's Office, the better off we are.
I'm being serious when I ask...really? You're in law enforcement, so I will defer to you.
But do you seriously think that making sex offenders register quarter annually instead of semi-annually is going to keep the streets any safer from sex offenders? I'd say that semi-annually plus whenever they change residence, even temporarily, will do the trick. What does this achieve besides more paperwork and taxpayer money?
It doesn't take much to see through this as yet another seemingly completely random mandate to waste more tax dollars. If it ain't broke, try to fix it anyway, and call it "Common Sense".
Make the streets safer? In a sense, yes. If it leads to violations of the notification act, then it's getting them off the streets. The problem is, a lot of those fuckers "only spend the night" in places they have no business being. "Oh, I was just staying at a friends house. I still live at ___________". It's bullshit, and they know how to work the system for the little bit of wiggle room they have. Keeping a constant eye on them is nearly impossible and they know it. So, in my opinion, forcing them to visit the local law enforcement office a few more times a year can't hurt.
Let me clarify though, I will not be voting for Tim James. I just happen to agree with his stance on this issue.
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And let me also say, neither of his issues so far are very far up the priority list for me. Although I firmly agree with the sex offender idea, it pisses me off that NONE of the candidates so far are willing to touch our states biggest problem.
In Etowah County alone, we are laying off 39 teachers and support staff. THIS pisses me off. Education should be the top priority for ANYONE running for governor, and in my opinion, it's a slap in the face to the citizens of Alabama to have Tim James address two issues as non-relevant the driving exam and sex offenders.
Education should be the absolute last fund to be cut.
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I'm not saying the system now isn't adequate, I'm saying placing more restrictions on them can't be a bad thing. I'm not sure how each and every county operates, but I can speak for mine. It would take a little more paperwork, but no more man power. And the more time those assholes spend at the Sheriff's Office, the better off we are.
Make the streets safer? In a sense, yes. If it leads to violations of the notification act, then it's getting them off the streets. The problem is, a lot of those fuckers "only spend the night" in places they have no business being. "Oh, I was just staying at a friends house. I still live at ___________". It's bullshit, and they know how to work the system for the little bit of wiggle room they have. Keeping a constant eye on them is nearly impossible and they know it. So, in my opinion, forcing them to visit the local law enforcement office a few more times a year can't hurt.
Let me clarify though, I will not be voting for Tim James. I just happen to agree with his stance on this issue.
The CNA seems to be written, and is certainly enforced in such a way that it would lead most to believe that we want them to violate it. Sort of stupid if you think about it.
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The CNA seems to be written, and is certainly enforced in such a way that it would lead most to believe that we want them to violate it. Sort of stupid if you think about it.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. I personally believe 90% of sex offenders get off too light, so the CNA should be tough as hell. Can't get into specifics, but I've had 2 violated in the last 6 months for being in an area they had no business being.
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And let me also say, neither of his issues so far are very far up the priority list for me. Although I firmly agree with the sex offender idea, it pisses me off that NONE of the candidates so far are willing to touch our states biggest problem.
In Etowah County alone, we are laying off 39 teachers and support staff. THIS pisses me off. Education should be the top priority for ANYONE running for governor, and in my opinion, it's a slap in the face to the citizens of Alabama to have Tim James address two issues as non-relevant the driving exam and sex offenders.
Education should be the absolute last fund to be cut.
Fuckin THIS!
This has been my primary point all along.
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Fuckin THIS!
This has been my primary point all along.
Had I not been occupied with being an asshole, we probably could have reached this conclusion 14 pages ago.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. I personally believe 90% of sex offenders get off too light, so the CNA should be tough as hell. Can't get into specifics, but I've had 2 violated in the last 6 months for being in an area they had no business being.
I look at it like this: They served their time, and it aint for anyone else to say different...especially some cop looking to trip them up. If they fuck up, or lie, put them away for good, but trying to trip them up with technicalities is pointless.
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I look at it like this: They served their time, and it aint for anyone else to say different...especially some cop looking to trip them up. If they fuck up, or lie, put them away for good, but trying to trip them up with technicalities is pointless.
I agree. But it's not too much to ask a registered sex offender to stay the fuck away from school playgrounds. No law enforcement officer under our constitution should be riding around trying to put someone in jail. That's not the job. The job is to keep crime to a minimum with officer presence.
And even if they fuck up or lie, they still don't get put away for good. They might serve another 2 years on their sentence, then they'll be cut loose again.
They know the rules when they are released. They know the odds are against them and they can only live a certain way. That's the consequences of their actions. If they choose not to follow the rules, fuck 'em.
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2 words: chemical castration.
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Afa sex offenders go, I personally would support weekly registration. Hell, make it daily. Assign them their very own cop to follow them every time they set foot out of their house. I hope their lives are so inconvenienced that they get frustrated enough to jump in front of a freight train. I would not give two flips if every last one of the fuckers died a horrible, painful death. I am talking about rapists and child molesters. I hope they all contract leprosy AIDS cancer of the penis. I don't care how miserable their lives are - it can never be miserable enough to suit me.
And I am not talking about the "18 yr old who had sex with his 17 yr old gf..." - yeah, they get caught up in it all but I think the definition should be loosened up everywhere on those guys like we did out here - made it an "age range" issue - to be a SO he has to be more than "x" number of years apart in age, so it keeps it from ruining some hormonal teenage boy's life.
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Afa sex offenders go, I personally would support weekly registration. Hell, make it daily. Assign them their very own cop to follow them every time they set foot out of their house. I hope their lives are so inconvenienced that they get frustrated enough to jump in front of a freight train. I would not give two flips if every last one of the fuckers died a horrible, painful death. I am talking about rapists and child molesters. I hope they all contract leprosy AIDS cancer of the penis. I don't care how miserable their lives are - it can never be miserable enough to suit me.
This. There is no rehabilitation for pedophiles. We waste our time and our money. There should be an island somewhere that they get sent to.
Either that, or shoot them with the illegals..........I had to reel this thread back in. You people chase butterflies worse than Simba.
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And I am not talking about the "18 yr old who had sex with his 17 yr old gf..." - yeah, they get caught up in it all but I think the definition should be loosened up everywhere on those guys like we did out here - made it an "age range" issue - to be a SO he has to be more than "x" number of years apart in age, so it keeps it from ruining some hormonal teenage boy's life.
I agree 125%.
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And I am not talking about the "18 yr old who had sex with his 17 yr old gf..." - yeah, they get caught up in it all but I think the definition should be loosened up everywhere on those guys like we did out here - made it an "age range" issue - to be a SO he has to be more than "x" number of years apart in age, so it keeps it from ruining some hormonal teenage boy's life.
Unfortunately, they're lumped in with all the pedophiles too. Same same under the current law.