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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: The Prowler on February 03, 2017, 03:52:40 AM
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https://youtu.be/7ZmlRtpzwos
Especially now that a light has been shown on the first lady and how she worked in America on a B-1 Temp Business Visitor or a B-2 Tourist Visa back in '95-'96...
#NoWorkInAmericaWithThoseVisas
#VisaFraud
#IllegalImmigrant
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https://youtu.be/7ZmlRtpzwos
Especially now that a light has been shown on the first lady and how she worked in America on a B-1 Temp Business Visitor or a B-2 Tourist Visa back in '95-'96...
#NoWorkInAmericaWithThoseVisas
#VisaFraud
#IllegalImmigrant
I think Budweiser should stick to making shitty beer.
The one thing I was missing from that commercial was Americans being beheaded, Booosch's family blowing up the World Trade Center, attacking people in the workplace, shooting up malls.... I didn't see Boooosch reading from a "religious" text that demands that he overthrow the infidels and convert them or kill them.
Damn you're stupid and gullible.
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I think Budweiser should stick to making shitty beer.
The one thing I was missing from that commercial was Americans being beheaded, Booosch's family blowing up the World Trade Center, attacking people in the workplace, shooting up malls.... I didn't see Boooosch reading from a "religious" text that demands that he overthrow the infidels and convert them or kill them.
Damn you're stupid and gullible.
But he makes a keen headline don't he?
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Very smart, pissing off the redneck portion of the country, the ones who like to drink that swill.
No amount of fruit could make any of the ones they make taste decent.
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It's seeping into our country more and more, and it's not just Budweiser. The majority of America is sheeple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouu6LGGIWsc
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Very smart, pissing off the redneck portion of the country, the ones who like to drink that swill.
No amount of fruit could make any of the ones they make taste decent.
It's a dumb business move to be honest. Like nascar requiring people to wear pink and take sensitivity classes while carrying Hillary signs. Know your audience.
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Seriously, how is that commercial offensive?
Do you deny the true fact that Eberhard Anheuser and Adolphus Busch were German immigrants?
Just don't want to hear about it?
Do you not realize this commercial was OBVIOUSLY produced and filmed way before any immigration ban from a couple of days ago?
Does this have anything at all to do with Islam?
Being offended by this is as dumb as SJWs getting triggered over some innocuous thing they find sexist or racist or homophobic, etc.
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#NoWorkInAmericaWithThoseVisas
#VisaFraud
#IllegalImmigrant
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It's seeping into our country more and more, and it's not just Budweiser. The majority of America is sheeple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouu6LGGIWsc
In the unedited version, the Amazon gift for the priest is a pipe bomb that blows his knees off, thus eliminating the source of his pain. After that, six masked gunmen shouting Allah Akhbar!!! rush in and video the priest being decapitated. They put his head in a box and offer it for sale in the "heads in a box" category on Amazon.
The Islamic community was incensed and demanded that the video be edited. Amazon missed the source of their outrage, however, and came up with this. The real anger came from complaints that the video wasn't accurate. They wouldn't ship a bomb via Amazon, they'd send someone disguised as a delivery person to martyr himself at the priest's door. Plus they said it wouldn't take six militants to perform and film the beheading. No more than four were necessary.
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Seriously, how is that commercial offensive?
Do you deny the true fact that Eberhard Anheuser and Adolphus Busch were German immigrants?
Just don't want to hear about it?
Do you not realize this commercial was OBVIOUSLY produced and filmed way before any immigration ban from a couple of days ago?
Does this have anything at all to do with Islam?
Being offended by this is as dumb as SJWs getting triggered over some innocuous thing they find sexist or racist or homophobic, etc.
I think it's what the underlying point of it is in the current climate of "the wall" and "refugees". Also didn't know that the Germans jumped over the rio grande illegally. Again, it's more dumb business than anything. I could careless as I don't drink the shit. But a lot of rednecks do.
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Do you deny the true fact that Eberhard Anheuser and Adolphus Busch were German immigrants?
It's not the fucking same. German immigrants like Busch and Eberhard came here to find fame and fortune the American way. They wanted an opportunity to let their talents and ideas flourish in a free society.
Why are the Muslims coming, Chazbahr? To partake in the freedoms of the US? To build a life free from the abuse and degradation of their former societies? Why fuck NO! They're here to recreate that same shit on US soil.
It's conquest by immigration, motherfuckers. That's the plan. Oh, it won't happen during our lifetimes probably but our grandchildren will be Allah Akhbarring their precious little covered heads off unless we decide that it's not in our best interests to let them overrun us.
You mocked me for mentioning Dearborn. You're wrong. Look at what's going on there now.
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I think it's a great commercial. Now they should go open a brewery in Iran...... No wait. They would kill him because of the alcohol ban. Which isn't a bad thing. Those fuckers would be really crazy.
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I think it's a great commercial. Now they should go open a brewery in Iran...... No wait. They would kill him because of the alcohol ban. Which isn't a bad thing. Those fuckers would be really crazy.
<deleted> rednecks?
Mod note: The racism rule is still in play, despite the current tone of the white house.
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<deleted> rednecks?
Mod note: The racism rule is still in play, despite the current tone of the white house.
We called them worse right before JDAMS blew their asses up.
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<deleted> rednecks?
Mod note: The racism rule is still in play, despite the current tone of the white house.
huh...I wonder which mod left this comment?
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huh...I wonder which mod left this comment?
I did.
You might have noticed I also bumped the "racism" thread above to address the issue. It's getting very comfortable for some to throw slurs.
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It's not the fucking same. German immigrants like Busch and Eberhard came here to find fame and fortune the American way. They wanted an opportunity to let their talents and ideas flourish in a free society.
Why are the Muslims coming, Chazbahr? To partake in the freedoms of the US? To build a life free from the abuse and degradation of their former societies? Why fuck NO! They're here to recreate that same shit on US soil.
It's conquest by immigration, motherfuckers. That's the plan. Oh, it won't happen during our lifetimes probably but our grandchildren will be Allah Akhbarring their precious little covered heads off unless we decide that it's not in our best interests to let them overrun us.
You mocked me for mentioning Dearborn. You're wrong. Look at what's going on there now.
You do realize Muslims were here long before anyone here were born, or their parents, or their grand parents...or their great-grand parents, right? They've been in America for about 400 years.
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I did.
You might have noticed I also bumped the "racism" thread above to address the issue. It's getting very comfortable for some to throw slurs.
I know....I was being a smart ass because of the "despite the current tone of the white house" remark...
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I just wish I had seen. After however many years here, I'm still trying to figure out what is cool and what isn't. Because I've seen some pretty mean spirited and personal shit get thrown about.
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I just wish I had seen. After however many years here, I'm still trying to figure out what is cool and what isn't. Because I've seen some pretty mean spirited and personal shit get thrown about.
It's a simple rule: racist remarks/slurs aren't cool. You're (despite your collegiate allegiance) smart enough to know if something is racist...or even pushing the line. Frankly, we made a decision long ago to err on the side of blasting things that push the line. It's a mostly self-policed board and I think we do a good job of observing the rules.
The default position for most of us, however, is "button-pusher" and in the heat of the moment we sometimes let a word/term slip that we know isn't kosher (pardon a bad pun).
I'm speaking solely for myself here, but I would hope that any other mod/admin would agree: we don't accept racial slurs, no matter how comfortable you (the poster, not necessarily you, Token) are throwing them around.
I know....I was being a smart ass because of the "despite the current tone of the white house" remark...
Also, this rule (and its enforcement) predates Trump and was enforced equally during the prior administration.
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Mod note: The racism rule is still in play, despite the current tone of the white house.
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This?
Fucking horseshit and not even something Titan would have done back in the day.
The current tone of the White House is absolutely perfect. It's the tone of the mewling assholes that needs a fucking adjustment.
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It's a simple rule: racist remarks/slurs aren't cool. You're (despite your collegiate allegiance) smart enough to know if something is racist...or even pushing the line. Frankly, we made a decision long ago to err on the side of blasting things that push the line. It's a mostly self-policed board and I think we do a good job of observing the rules.
The default position for most of us, however, is "button-pusher" and in the heat of the moment we sometimes let a word/term slip that we know isn't kosher (pardon a bad pun).
I'm speaking solely for myself here, but I would hope that any other mod/admin would agree: we don't accept racial slurs, no matter how comfortable you (the poster, not necessarily you, Token) are throwing them around.
Also, this rule (and its enforcement) predates Trump and was enforced equally during the prior administration.
I get the racial slurs and comments part. I'm saying I'm still confused as to what constitutes racism here. Is it hatred of someone based solely on their ethnicity? Is it hatred of someone based solely on their religious beliefs?
I'm not going to make a racist comment either way being that I'm not a racist. I'm simply saying that I question what is considered to be racist at times. With all of the roasting that takes place here on a daily basis, I don't think I've ever seen unadulterated mean spirited racism directed at any one person or in general. So I'm left wondering what wasn't actually racism but was close enough to prompt edit. Gray area.
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This?
Fucking horseshit and not even something Titan would have done back in the day.
The current tone of the White House is absolutely perfect. It's the tone of the mewling assholes that needs a fucking adjustment.
The term used was not racist. Derogatory (maybe), I've been called worse, much worst.
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Crackers are great in Chili.
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I get the racial slurs and comments part. I'm saying I'm still confused as to what constitutes racism here. Is it hatred of someone based solely on their ethnicity? Is it hatred of someone based solely on their religious beliefs?
It sounds like you're looking for a bright line test and there isn't one. We hashed this shit out here years ago and we're not going to revisit/rework the rules to accommodate a new regime.
The term that I took down was offensive.
Kaos, you can fuck right off with the Titan comparisons.
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It sounds like you're looking for a bright line test and there isn't one. We hashed this shit out here years ago and we're not going to revisit/rework the rules to accommodate a new regime.
The term that I took down was offensive.
Kaos, you can fuck right off with the Titan comparisons.
You threw the jab. Kaos came back with left hook. Honestly...you deserved it.
Smoke a bowl and chill.
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It sounds like you're looking for a bright line test and there isn't one. We hashed this shit out here years ago and we're not going to revisit/rework the rules to accommodate a new regime.
The term that I took down was offensive.
Kaos, you can fuck right off with the Titan comparisons.
So is retard
There is actually a definition to the word racist. "Offensive" is much more gray. Eye of the beholder.
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You threw the jab. Kaos came back with left hook. Honestly...you deserved it.
Smoke a bowl and chill.
Fair enough. I shouldn't have made the editorial comment, but the end result would be the same.
So is retard
There is actually a definition to the word racist. "Offensive" is much more gray. Eye of the beholder.
Yeah, I know. Thus the "no bright-line" statement. We have hashed this out long ago.
It's an easy rule and it shouldn't be causing this much discussion.
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I think Budweiser should stick to making shitty beer.
The one thing I was missing from that commercial was Americans being beheaded, Booosch's family blowing up the World Trade Center, attacking people in the workplace, shooting up malls.... I didn't see Boooosch reading from a "religious" text that demands that he overthrow the infidels and convert them or kill them.
Damn you're stupid and gullible.
So, are you mad that Budweiser was started by a German immigrant or are you just a fucking moron? This commercial is about immigrants coming to America, how some were treated ("you don't belong here, go back to where you came from" were probably your favorite parts of the video), and how some overcame the hatred to build a Empire. Immigrated here legally.
The reason why it might get people talking is because of the first lady illegally working here back in '95-'96.
Notice how nothing was said about terrorists or terrorists organizations, until you brought them up.
I'll let you get back to your hatred of all things not white.
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And here I was thinking Germans were white.
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And here I was thinking Germans were white.
They did bomb Pearl Harbor.
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They did bomb Pearl Harbor.
(https://scontent.fads1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/16508680_10210481739256282_2680158115984600471_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=dcf877b5fcd16e71a73ba951d4848458&oe=594B0021)
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They did bomb Pearl Harbor.
The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
forget it. I'm rolling.
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Fair enough. I shouldn't have made the editorial comment, but the end result would be the same.
Yeah, I know. Thus the "no bright-line" statement. We have hashed this out long ago.
It's an easy rule and it shouldn't be causing this much discussion.
Just so I'm clear, calling any trump supporter a white supremacist (which includes many on here) is ok? That's pretty offensive, false and very racial. Not trying to knit pick but goose and gander and all.
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Just so I'm clear, calling any trump supporter a white supremacist (which includes many on here) is ok? That's pretty offensive, false and very racial. Not trying to knit pick but goose and gander and all.
We slog through this same discussion on the rare occasions that a mod takes action around here.
Yes, it's a double standard that you'll have to take up with society.
It's a simple fucking rule guys. If you need a handy test: ask yourself if you'd a normal, non-X poster would say the word in the company of a person you don't know who fits the stereotype you're blasting.
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We slog through this same discussion on the rare occasions that a mod takes action around here.
Yes, it's a double standard that you'll have to take up with society.
It's a simple fucking rule guys. If you need a handy test: ask yourself if you'd a normal, non-X poster would say the word in the company of a person you don't know who fits the stereotype you're blasting.
Most of us wouldn't say a third of the shit we say here in the company of a person we don't know.
Lock it down.
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Most of us wouldn't say a third of the shoot we say here in the company of a person we don't know.
Lock it down.
I dunno. Buzz is a dumbass.
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I dunno. Buzz is a dumbass.
He speaks for all of us.
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I just wish I had seen. After however many years here, I'm still trying to figure out what is cool and what isn't. Because I've seen some pretty mean spirited and personal shit get thrown about.
It appears what's cool is super kinky gay Chizzy and Wes stuff and other stuff is racist.
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Aaaand now Trump supporters are boycotting Budweiser, SMH. Fuckin snowflakes.
How dare they create a commercial 8 months ago telling the truth about who created this beer that I'm knocking back and airing it during the Super Bowl...fuck 'at shit, I'mma go back to drinkin my natty light.
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Aaaand now Trump supporters are boycotting Budweiser, SMH. Fuckin snowflakes.
How dare they create a commercial 8 months ago telling the truth about who created this beer that I'm knocking back and airing it during the Super Bowl...fuck 'at shit, I'mma go back to drinkin my natty light.
Moron.
The reaction is measured and appropriate. Its what you do when you disagree with someone or something.
Might I suggest the crybaby marching and rioting liberal fuckholes take a lesson?
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I'm told pumpkin beer has a calming effect.
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Moron.
The reaction is measured and appropriate. Its what you do when you disagree with someone or something.
Might I suggest the crybaby marching and rioting liberal fuckholes take a lesson?
Appropriate because it showed that two immigrants started Anheuser-Busch? You're ignorant just like the rest of your ilk.
You do realize that they started creating that commercial a while back, right?
Let me guess, you're among that dumbass group...gonna boycott Anheuser-Busch (the largest brewing company in the World)?
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Appropriate because it showed that two immigrants started Anheuser-Busch? You're ignorant just like the rest of your ilk.
You do realize that they started creating that commercial a while back, right?
Let me guess, you're among that dumbass group...gonna boycott Anheuser-Busch (the largest brewing company in the World)?
Actually I have been boycotting them for a long time, their beer sucks.
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I'm simply saying that I question what is considered to be racist at times.
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Ergo...You are a racist!
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Actually I have been boycotting them for a long time, their beer sucks.
What do you have against the small, local brewery here in St Louis?
(actually, try Schlafly, the largest, American owned, brewery in St Louis)
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I thought it was a stretch to see poor old Adolphus walking down the street and random people just automatically knew he was German. I must have missed the tattoo on his forehead!
It was a clear jab at the right. May they go belly up on their swill.
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What do you have against the small, local brewery here in St Louis?
cause it makes me pee out my butt
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cause it makes me pee out my butt
And the problem here is?
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Another Superbowl commercial (2nd half of this commercial wasn't shown)...
https://youtu.be/nPo2B-vjZ28
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Aaaand now Trump supporters are boycotting Budweiser, SMH. Fuckin snowflakes.
How dare they create a commercial 8 months ago telling the truth about who created this beer that I'm knocking back and airing it during the Super Bowl...fuck 'at shit, I'mma go back to drinkin my natty light.
Are you fucking serious? There is no way you are this fucking stupid.
"We are a nation founded on protest......"
Did you forget that you just fucking said that? That wasn't your position 20 years ago but now you've changed. It was your opinion 2 goddam days ago. Are you so fucking stupid that you don't remember what you post from day to day?
I don't give a fuck which side of the argument you are on but for the love of God pick one side and stick with it. Or stay the fuck out of the political forum and voting booths. Because stupid motherfuckers like you who want to preach about how awesome protest is when you agree with the cause and how stupid protest is when don't agree with the cause is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country.
If you are trolling then say it. If you aren't, your self awareness level is at the rock bottom of the spectrum and you either need to seek help or shut the fuck up and move into the mountains.
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Another Superbowl commercial (2nd half of this commercial wasn't shown)...
https://youtu.be/nPo2B-vjZ28
just came up on a alternative facts news feed...
OSP Troopers Seize Drugs, Money and Firearm
Oregon State Police - 02/06/17
On February 4th, 2017 at approximately 11:43AM Oregon State Police Troopers from the Klamath Falls Area stopped a 2001 GMC Yukon for traffic violations northbound on HWY 97 MP 240 just north of Klamath Falls.
During their contact the driver was identified as 32 year old Jose Perfecto Adan De Jesus and the passenger, 27 year old Hipolito Adan De Jesus who were both from Bridgeport Washington. Troopers suspected them to be engaged in criminal activity. The driver attempted to flee on foot and was quickly captured.
A search of the vehicle with the assistance of an Oregon State Police Drug Detection Canine revealed approximately; 3 pounds of crystal methamphetamine, 3.5 pounds of Heroin, 2.2 pounds of cocaine, $66,550.00 of US currency and a semi-automatic pistol.
Both suspects were lodged in the Klamath County Jail on the following charges: Possession and Delivery of Crystal Methamphetamine, Cocaine and Heroin. Unlawful Possession of a Firearm, Money Laundering, Criminal Conspiracy, Attempt to Elude by foot (driver) and Possession of a Forged Instrument (passenger).
damn Washington residents.
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Are you fucking serious? There is no way you are this fucking stupid.
"We are a nation founded on protest......"
Did you forget that you just fucking said that? That wasn't your position 20 years ago but now you've changed. It was your opinion 2 goddam days ago. Are you so fucking stupid that you don't remember what you post from day to day?
I don't give a fuck which side of the argument you are on but for the love of God pick one side and stick with it. Or stay the fuck out of the political forum and voting booths. Because stupid motherfuckers like you who want to preach about how awesome protest is when you agree with the cause and how stupid protest is when don't agree with the cause is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country.
If you are trolling then say it. If you aren't, your self awareness level is at the rock bottom of the spectrum and you either need to seek help or shut the fuck up and move into the mountains.
Did that piping hot plate burn your hands or did you use oven mitts?
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Are you fucking serious? There is no way you are this fucking stupid.
"We are a nation founded on protest......"
Did you forget that you just fucking said that? That wasn't your position 20 years ago but now you've changed. It was your opinion 2 goddam days ago. Are you so fucking stupid that you don't remember what you post from day to day?
I don't give a fuck which side of the argument you are on but for the love of God pick one side and stick with it. Or stay the fuck out of the political forum and voting booths. Because stupid motherfuckers like you who want to preach about how awesome protest is when you agree with the cause and how stupid protest is when don't agree with the cause is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country.
If you are trolling then say it. If you aren't, your self awareness level is at the rock bottom of the spectrum and you either need to seek help or shut the fuck up and move into the mountains.
THIS is when you drop the mic.
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Another Superbowl commercial (2nd half of this commercial wasn't shown)...
https://youtu.be/nPo2B-vjZ28
I hope they get deported and 84 Lumber goes out of business.
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Are you fucking serious? There is no way you are this fucking stupid.
"We are a nation founded on protest......"
Did you forget that you just fucking said that? That wasn't your position 20 years ago but now you've changed. It was your opinion 2 goddam days ago. Are you so fucking stupid that you don't remember what you post from day to day?
I don't give a fuck which side of the argument you are on but for the love of God pick one side and stick with it. Or stay the fuck out of the political forum and voting booths. Because stupid motherfuckers like you who want to preach about how awesome protest is when you agree with the cause and how stupid protest is when don't agree with the cause is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country.
If you are trolling then say it. If you aren't, your self awareness level is at the rock bottom of the spectrum and you either need to seek help or shut the fuck up and move into the mountains.
I will readily admit when a post is of higher caliber than my own. Obviously, it rarely happens on here. But this is an example. Top notch stuff here. Cannot be argued.
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Are you fucking serious? There is no way you are this fucking stupid.
"We are a nation founded on protest......"
Did you forget that you just fucking said that? That wasn't your position 20 years ago but now you've changed. It was your opinion 2 goddam days ago. Are you so fucking stupid that you don't remember what you post from day to day?
I don't give a fuck which side of the argument you are on but for the love of God pick one side and stick with it. Or stay the fuck out of the political forum and voting booths. Because stupid motherfuckers like you who want to preach about how awesome protest is when you agree with the cause and how stupid protest is when don't agree with the cause is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country.
If you are trolling then say it. If you aren't, your self awareness level is at the rock bottom of the spectrum and you either need to seek help or shut the fuck up and move into the mountains.
Please tell me you aren't that goddamn stupid to see what that was about...who that was directed towards. If I have to tell you that I'm trolling, you should probably keep scrolling.
#MicDrop
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Did that piping hot plate burn your hands or did you use oven mitts?
It was one of those wooden trays with a handle that you put the plate on, like the fajitas at the Mexican restaurant. You can serve a lot of ass on one of those without burning yourself.
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https://youtu.be/h8rmGvCVxpI
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I did.
You might have noticed I also bumped the "racism" thread above to address the issue. It's getting very comfortable for some to throw slurs.
WTF did I miss? I was lucky enough to be on aufagsfamily.com board when the salivating CTT penith drill press image was posted (circa '09 '10 or '11), :classic: but seemed to have missed shit here. WTF?
Aaaand now Trump supporters are boycotting Budweiser, SMH. Fuckin snowflakes.
How dare they create a commercial 8 months ago telling the truth about who created this beer that I'm knocking back and airing it during the Super Bowl...fuck 'at shit, I'mma go back to drinkin my natty light.
Hey now. My grandmother's maiden name was Busch. I'm of immigrant decent, but a Trump supporter. So, what does that make me? Chopped Liver?
Clearly, all of you guys are uneducated. There are no races.
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Another Superbowl commercial (2nd half of this commercial wasn't shown)...
https://youtu.be/nPo2B-vjZ28
Screw that wood commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyKa32cLubg
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WTF did I miss? I was lucky enough to be on aufagsfamily.com board when the salivating CTT penith drill press image was posted (circa '09 '10 or '11), :classic: but seemed to have missed shit here. WTF?
Hey now. My grandmother's maiden name was Busch. I'm of immigrant decent, but a Trump supporter. So, what does that make me? Chopped Liver?
Clearly, all of you guys are uneducated. There are no races.
Again, it's the "poorly educated that Trump loves" that are protesting the Aneheuser-Busch company because they showed that the company was started by LEGAL immigrants.
But to be on the safe side, better watch out...Kaos is sharpening up his pitchfork and lighting his torch.
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Just so we're clear...
The people calling everyone "snowflakes" have been deeply offended by a Broadway show, a coffee shop, Saturday Night Live, a Star Wars movie, a beer commercial, & a lumber commercial.
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Just so we're clear...
The people calling everyone "snowflakes" have been deeply offended by a Broadway show, a coffee shop, Saturday Night Live, a Star Wars movie, a beer commercial, & a lumber commercial.
Offended is too strong a word for me. Humored is more to liking.
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Just so we're clear...
The people calling everyone "snowflakes" have been deeply offended by a Broadway show, a coffee shop, Saturday Night Live, a Star Wars movie, a beer commercial, & a lumber commercial.
And yet no one has been hurt, no fires have been started, and no rioting has been done.
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Just so we're clear...
The people calling everyone "snowflakes" have been deeply offended by a Broadway show, a coffee shop, Saturday Night Live, a Star Wars movie, a beer commercial, & a lumber commercial.
I haven't been offended by any of those things, but I don't call them snowflakes, either. They are more like fucking pussies.
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Just so we're clear...
The people calling everyone "snowflakes" have been deeply offended by a Broadway show, a coffee shop, Saturday Night Live, a Star Wars movie, a beer commercial, & a lumber commercial.
I'm posting here less and less because politics have always been tribal, but it's off the charts now. There's no nuance, no rational discussion, no ceding middle ground.
This forum is a microcosm of that. Kaos twists and spins to defend anything and everything Trump and/or his supporters do. Prowler twists and spins to demonize everything they do.
In a sane world, we could discuss why getting your panties in a twist over the Budweiser commercial about the legal immigrants who founded Anheuser Busch is stupid and way overblown, but that the criticism of the 84 Lumber is reasonable. Critics of this one may have been heard out had they not blown their wad on the innocuous Budweiser commercial.
At the same time, Prowler is knee-jerk defending the 84 Lumber commercial and then posting this out of the other side of his mouth:
Again, it's the "poorly educated that Trump loves" that are protesting the Aneheuser-Busch company because they showed that the company was started by LEGAL immigrants.
So is the distinction that the Budweiser commercial was about LEGAL immigrants and if so why is the 84 Lumber commercial ok for advocating for ILLEGAL immigrants?
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I'm posting here less and less ...
And you atheists say there is no God.
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I'm posting here less and less because politics have always been tribal, but it's off the charts now. There's no nuance, no rational discussion, no ceding middle ground.
This forum is a microcosm of that. Kaos twists and spins to defend anything and everything Trump and/or his supporters do. Prowler twists and spins to demonize everything they do.
In a sane world, we could discuss why getting your panties in a twist over the Budweiser commercial about the legal immigrants who founded Anheuser Busch is stupid and way overblown, but that the criticism of the 84 Lumber is reasonable. Critics of this one may have been heard out had they not blown their wad on the innocuous Budweiser commercial.
At the same time, Prowler is knee-jerk defending the 84 Lumber commercial and then posting this out of the other side of his mouth:
So is the distinction that the Budweiser commercial was about LEGAL immigrants and if so why is the 84 Lumber commercial ok for advocating for ILLEGAL immigrants?
See you should post more, I agree with all of this.
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See you should post more, I agree with all of this.
I want to have a Budweiser with you, cowboy.
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I object to the characterization that all I'm doing is twisting to defend PRESIDENT Trump.
What support I have for Trump was really forged here by the screaming and shrieking nancys who displayed such arrogance and condescension in regard to a candidate I recognized early on had the requsite combination of factors to slay the hilldebeest. I would not be nearly as strongly in support of the man or his policies had I not witnessed a mini meltdown here. The same insulting, whining, bitching hysteria that gripped the nation from a bunch of wrong-headed bleeding hearts was on display here. It entrenched me.
I rarely agree with Stephen A. but I heard him today say something that was salient. He said if you're going to protest you have a responsibility to know why. You can't just say "Trump is a racist." You should know specifically what he said and in what context otherwise you have no opinion. You are not informed.
I give chiz credit for at least trying to have a reason. He's wrong and his reasons are hysterical-woman false, but he does try. Others? Ha! It is to laugh. And I often do
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I object to the characterization that all I'm doing is twisting to defend PRESIDENT Trump.
What support I have for Trump was really forged here by the screaming and shrieking nancys who displayed such arrogance and condescension in regard to a candidate I recognized early on had the requsite combination of factors to slay the hilldebeest. I would not be nearly as strongly in support of the man or his policies had I not witnessed a mini meltdown here. The same insulting, whining, bitching hysteria that gripped the nation from a bunch of wrong-headed bleeding hearts was on display here. It entrenched me.
I rarely agree with Stephen A. but I heard him today say something that was salient. He said if you're going to protest you have a responsibility to know why. You can't just say "Trump is a racist." You should know specifically what he said and in what context otherwise you have no opinion. You are not informed.
I give chiz credit for at least trying to have a reason. He's wrong and his reasons are hysterical-woman false, but he does try. Others? Ha! It is to laugh. And I often do
For example, what do you think about Trump tweeting about the "so called" judge who ruled to overturn the travel ban? You know, the co-equal judicial branch. I know your opinion before you say it. "TRUMP IS RIGHT FUCK THAT JUDGE! HE'S THE PRESIDENT!! GET OVER IT!! FUCK CHECKS & BALANCES!!!".
I also know for a fact you would have (and did have) 100% opposite opinion of Obama even mildly SUGGESTING that the executive branch has some special power over either of the other two, let alone actively slandering and discrediting them.
Or your opinion of Trump responding to O'Reilley's question about Putin being a killer with basically "America sucks too" and essentially insinuating 1) that there's no such thing as American exceptionalism, and 2) That our government KILLS dissenters.
Once again, before you post anything, I KNOW that you think that's high-five worthy and "tellin' it like it is" and it's tough love or some such bullshit, and that "HE DIDN'T SAY THOSE THINGS, YOU'RE READING INTO STUFF THAT'S NOT THERE" and refusing to acknowledge the context of the question being asked of him. And I also KNOW that had Obama said MUCH LESS about a foreign leader with a human rights record like Putin's, you would be pants-shitting livid.
It's a combination of being so predictable, so hypocritical, and so manufactured and intellectually dishonest, I don't even enjoy discussing it anymore.
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I'm posting here less and less because politics have always been tribal, but it's off the charts now. There's no nuance, no rational discussion, no ceding middle ground.
This forum is a microcosm of that. Kaos twists and spins to defend anything and everything Trump and/or his supporters do. Prowler twists and spins to demonize everything they do.
In a sane world, we could discuss why getting your panties in a twist over the Budweiser commercial about the legal immigrants who founded Anheuser Busch is stupid and way overblown, but that the criticism of the 84 Lumber is reasonable. Critics of this one may have been heard out had they not blown their wad on the innocuous Budweiser commercial.
At the same time, Prowler is knee-jerk defending the 84 Lumber commercial and then posting this out of the other side of his mouth:
So is the distinction that the Budweiser commercial was about LEGAL immigrants and if so why is the 84 Lumber commercial ok for advocating for ILLEGAL immigrants?
Regardless of the reasons, I totally support your posting less. Whatever I can do to help, count me in.
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For example, what do you think about Trump tweeting about the "so called" judge who ruled to overturn the travel ban? You know, the co-equal judicial branch. I know your opinion before you say it. "TRUMP IS RIGHT FUCK THAT JUDGE! HE'S THE PRESIDENT!! GET OVER IT!! FUCK CHECKS & BALANCES!!!".
I also know for a fact you would have (and did have) 100% opposite opinion of Obama even mildly SUGGESTING that the executive branch has some special power over either of the other two, let alone actively slandering and discrediting them.
Or your opinion of Trump responding to O'Reilley's question about Putin being a killer with basically "America sucks too" and essentially insinuating 1) that there's no such thing as American exceptionalism, and 2) That our government KILLS dissenters.
Once again, before you post anything, I KNOW that you think that's high-five worthy and "tellin' it like it is" and it's tough love or some such bullshit, and that "HE DIDN'T SAY THOSE THINGS, YOU'RE READING INTO STUFF THAT'S NOT THERE" and refusing to acknowledge the context of the question being asked of him. And I also KNOW that had Obama said MUCH LESS about a foreign leader with a human rights record like Putin's, you would be pants-shitting livid.
It's a combination of being so predictable, so hypocritical, and so manufactured and intellectually dishonest, I don't even enjoy discussing it anymore.
Your biggest problem -- as evidenced here -- is that you've already formed MY opinion. Compounding the issue is that you're so blindly and confidently assured that your opinion is the only one that's sane and logical that you rarely hear anything over your own shrieking.
I've reached the point that I'm more inclined to support whatever Trump does or says because I find people who oppose him to be so unpalatable. That opposition includes Chuck Bawling Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, most of the film and recording industry, the Bernie Sanders idiots, and, yes, most of the third-party quixotes.
Obama's Islamic "vision" for my country was a million percent wrong. I don't like everything Trump's said or done but I'm much more closely aligned with his decisions than I ever was Obama. I don't appreciate the unabashed media assault on him - including SNL which can go fuck itself forever - particularly when they treated that fuckwad Obama and the slouching beast Hillary with such deference.
Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. I don't know why anyone is surprised. This is exactly why he was elected by everything but the illegal voters in california. Media bias and rainbow judges aside? There is VAST ground support for his moves so far.
To answer your question? I'm willing to accept the angry tweets in pursuit of a staunchly pro American, pro defense and pro diplomatic positioning stance. I appreciate his honesty. It's something that's been lacking for a long time.
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I've reached the point that I'm more inclined to support whatever Trump does or says because I find people who oppose him to be so unpalatable.
To answer your question? I'm willing to accept the angry tweets in pursuit of a staunchly pro American, pro defense and pro diplomatic positioning stance. I appreciate his honesty. It's something that's been lacking for a long time.
So these are the closest you've come to answering the question. So shitting on the system of checks and balances is cool. Not sure how saying America is no better than Putin for killing off dissenters is "staunchly pro American" at all. But ok.
Here's another great one from today. Laughing at "destroying the career" of a state senator for advocating for due process before the government steals your property.
https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/829007910277636097
I won't presuppose your position on this this time. Surprise me. What do you think of this.
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So now its checks and balances. Before it was just beer and nuts...It was all good when your lord and savior barack hussein obama was calling he shots...
Funny how that is...
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So these are the closest you've come to answering the question. So shitting on the system of checks and balances is cool. Not sure how saying America is no better than Putin for killing off dissenters is "staunchly pro American" at all. But ok.
Here's another great one from today. Laughing at "destroying the career" of a state senator for advocating for due process before the government steals your property.
https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/829007910277636097
I won't presuppose your position on this this time. Surprise me. What do you think of this.
I'm not sure he's saying shit on the system of checks and balances. But I do think he is saying he doesn't agree with some in that process and their interpretation.
And I'll echo what K and GF said to a degree. I think you bring at least some rationale points to the table. And I think you mean well and good. More than I can say for someone else on this board.
Objectively speaking I like a lot of the same things K has pointed out about the Donald. I like the candidness. I like that he's doing what he said. I like that he isn't afraid to tackle many of these things head on. I like that he is very pro America. I like that he feels like a real commander In chief. And that he is a huge supporter of law enforcement.
On the other side of the coin I do think there are a couple of things that maybe needed a little work. He's not perfect and no president is so I'm probably picking knits but just my take:
I do wish he would get off Twitter more. Nothing illegal or deal breaking but just my personal presence.
On the EO for refugees , the green card piece could have maybe been flushed out better.
On taxes - no mention of this yet. And it may be on his agenda for next month. But it's one thing I don't want to fall by the wayside.
On Russia - I know exactly what he meant by the statement. But that was a horrible way to phrase it. Our govt and cia has been in bed with these people and much worse through the years. We've even had some of our own that were horrible people. But ya gotta word it better than that. This is Russia - can't make a semantic goof like that. My guess is that trump is posturing here to turn them against Iran and also use them against Isis.
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So now its checks and balances. Before it was just beer and nuts...It was all good when your lord and savior barack hussein obama was calling he shots...
Funny how that is...
Link plz?
You keep forgetting that I actually have principles and am consistent on them no matter if there's a little (R) or (D) after their name. I understand that this confuses you.
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Link plz?
You keep forgetting that I actually have principles and am consistent on them no matter if there's a little (R) or (D) after their name. I understand that this confuses you.
It's just his personal presence that you flush out your rationale thoughts better.
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Link plz?
You keep forgetting that I actually have principles and am consistent on them no matter if there's a little (R) or (D) after their name. I understand that this confuses you.
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This?
Comments like this are why I cannot discuss things with you in a reasonable manner.
You aren't on higher ground when it comes to "principles". You don't have an exclusive right to consistency. I don't always agree with CC but I cannot find fault with his principles and his position has been doggedly consistent. With every red herring and dead baby you've thrown screaming in his face he's remained steadfast.
As for your point by point? What's the purpose of that exercise? You refuse to believe that anyone who supports PRESIDENT Trump and the agenda he was elected to implement could possibly have a nuanced view. You think we are all thumping our Bibles and shooting shotguns in the air. You maintain the same caricature view of those of us who rejected the false prophets of the media and the liberal Democratic Party. It's not true and the more it happens the more dug in we will become. I'm honestly sick of being badgered for supporting MY president. I'm disgusted that my own kids are afraid to admit to their friends that they think he is right about certain things.
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There is VAST ground support for his moves so far.
Your idea of "VAST" and everyone else's is a bit different.
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Your idea of "VAST" and everyone else's is a bit different.
Shut up junior.
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You think we are all thumping our Bibles and shooting shotguns in the air.
You maintain the same caricature view of those of us who rejected the false prophets of the media and the liberal Democratic Party.
It's not true and the more it happens the more dug in we will become.
I'm honestly sick of being badgered for supporting MY president. I'm disgusted that my own kids are afraid to admit to their friends that they think he is right about certain things.
The points above I agree with and they are the crux of my issues with the other side right now. More than anything else.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOF9q5fzfs
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This?
Comments like this are why I cannot discuss things with you in a reasonable manner.
You aren't on higher ground when it comes to "principles". You don't have an exclusive right to consistency. I don't always agree with CC but I cannot find fault with his principles and his position has been doggedly consistent. With every red herring and dead baby you've thrown screaming in his face he's remained steadfast.
As for your point by point? What's the purpose of that exercise? You refuse to believe that anyone who supports PRESIDENT Trump and the agenda he was elected to implement could possibly have a nuanced view. You think we are all thumping our Bibles and shooting shotguns in the air. You maintain the same caricature view of those of us who rejected the false prophets of the media and the liberal Democratic Party. It's not true and the more it happens the more dug in we will become. I'm honestly sick of being badgered for supporting MY president. I'm disgusted that my own kids are afraid to admit to their friends that they think he is right about certain things.
Bullshit.
This:
So now its checks and balances. Before it was just beer and nuts...It was all good when your lord and savior barack hussein obama was calling he shots...
Funny how that is...
implies that his position on use and abuse of executive powers has been consistent across the last two presidents. As if he's just as critical on Trump as he was on Obama for the exact same thing. And it more than implies, it straight up accuses, me of NOT being consistent on that. He's accusing me of supporting Obama for executive overreach. Where's the link? I never did and never would do such a thing.
We're not operating in reality if you can even pretend that is remotely the case.
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Bullshit.
This:implies that his position on use and abuse of executive powers has been consistent across the last two presidents. As if he's just as critical on Trump as he was on Obama for the exact same thing. And it more than implies, it straight up accuses, me of NOT being consistent on that. He's accusing me of supporting Obama for executive overreach. Where's the link? I never did and never would do such a thing.
We're not operating in reality if you can even pretend that is remotely the case.
Well, he gets to use Alt-Facts now, sooooo...
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Bullshit.
This:implies that his position on use and abuse of executive powers has been consistent across the last two presidents. As if he's just as critical on Trump as he was on Obama for the exact same thing. And it more than implies, it straight up accuses, me of NOT being consistent on that. He's accusing me of supporting Obama for executive overreach. Where's the link? I never did and never would do such a thing.
We're not operating in reality if you can even pretend that is remotely the case.
Just so I'm straight, you also think the last paragraph of K's post is bullshit? It's the most correct part of his entire post. Don't get Sancho'd chiz. You're better than that.
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Just so I'm straight, you also think the last paragraph of K's post is bullshit? It's the most correct part of his entire post. Don't get Sancho'd chiz. You're better than that.
What specifically about it? That I "refuse to believe he has a nuanced view" about the president?
Yeah, I do refuse to believe that until he demonstrates it in one fucking post on here.
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Shut up junior.
Took him less than 10 days in office to get a majority disapproval rating (broke Bill Clinton's 154 day record). Less than 10 days and it's still dropping. VAST ground support.
#MicDrop
#HotPlateOfAssForYou
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Took him less than 10 days in office to get a majority disapproval rating (broke Bill Clinton's 154 day record). Less than 10 days and it's still dropping. VAST ground support.
I wish you dumb motherfuckers would have learned something about opinion polls on election night.
This mentality is EXACTLY why Trump will be a two term President. You morons STILL haven't figured shit out yet.
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I wish you dumb motherfuckers would have learned something about opinion polls on election night.
This mentality is EXACTLY why Trump will be a two term President. You morons STILL haven't figured shit out yet.
And they want as long as they keep doubling down. They may pick up more seats in 2018 and 2020 is looking like a cakewalk from Trump.
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I wish you dumb motherfuckers would have learned something about opinion polls on election night.
This mentality is EXACTLY why Trump will be a two term President. You morons STILL haven't figured shit out yet.
When you have over 20 Republican Senators & over 20 House of Rep. that are either concerned or against Trump's moves...that's not "VAST ground support".
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I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.
The dudes on here got it.
The manginas did not. Par for the course!
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What specifically about it? That I "refuse to believe he has a nuanced view" about the president?
Yeah, I do refuse to believe that until he demonstrates it in one fucking post on here.
See? There's no point.
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See? There's no point.
You'll dismiss this as well, but you've been marching around this forum like Ruprecht banging on his pots since Trump won.
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You'll dismiss this as well, but you've been marching around this forum like Ruprecht banging on his pots since Trump won.
Because I was right. Has nothing to do with any of this discussion.
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You'll dismiss this as well, but you've been marching around this forum like Ruprecht banging on his pots since Trump won.
Compared to the pompous arrogance from those who deem themselves more qualified to make the decision of selecting our president--based on God only knows what--I think K has been incredibly subdued and diplomatic.
Unlike the other naggers on here. Can I still say nagger? Are you going to whack my pee pee?
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Because I was right. Has nothing to do with any of this discussion.
Nuance =/= Not Hillary, I win.
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Because I was right. Has nothing to do with any of this discussion.
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Nuance =/= Not Hillary, I win.
No.
Not Hillary. Fuck YOU! I win.
But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my ability to evaluate performance. I got what I wanted. Doesn't mean I'm going to go blind or deaf (well except from listening to the bitching coming from some).
Since President Trump was elected all we've seen here is the same tired horseshit that preceded the election.
Prowler fires off some idiotic tin foil hat nonsense, he says some ridiculous shit, he posts like a drunken monkey and here some of you come to try to prop him up. It just makes you look as stupid as he is.
My president, our president, is doing exactly what he said he'd do. He's enacting the policies he promised when fuckheads and nancy pants aren't getting in his way.
He's not a politician. He doesn't give a goosetailed damn about opinion polls (which are farcical as the media has already proven), he isn't enamored with vapid Hollywood douches and currying their favor, he isn't talking out of both sides of his ass. That's all we've been used to from Obama, from that decrepit crone Hillary and even from McCain, Romney, Cruz, Rubio and the entire political ruling class.
He's a threat to them and a threat to the destiny they and the complicit media thought they could push on us because so many people in this country are as gullible and ill-informed as some of the people who post here.
I like most of what he's doing.
I completely disagree with the judges who are blocking the temporary immigration ban. They've overstepped their boundaries. What he's doing is right and legal.
I'm in line with most of his cabinet picks. It's sickened me to watch the hysterical bitch left (including fucked forever SNL again) attack people like DeVos and Sessions.
I'm okay with building the wall. They need to stay where they are unless they're willing to do things the right, legal way. I'd be behind him if he had that California legislator jailed -- you know, the one who admitted in session that many of his relatives have fake driver's licenses and social security cards. Felony.
I'm sick and tired of being told that I'm racist, Xena, phobic, whatever because I support our legitimately elected president. I'm sick and tired of a few muddle brained shitheads thinking they're smarter than the vast majority of us -- and yeah, it's the vast majority of the country excluding the shit stain that is California -- because we didn't follow their vision over the cliff and the death of the American way.
You're fucking right I won. WE won. America won. I'm not in the mood yet to let any of you fucks with your condescending bullshit forget it. But that's a long, long way from lock step.
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O.
K.
Edit note: that was glib, and I don't want to just brush it off.
Are there any moves that Trump has made that give you any pause at all? Anything raise an eyebrow?
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No.
Not Hillary. Fuck YOU! I win.
But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my ability to...
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Saved everyone else the time.
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O.
K.
Edit note: that was glib, and I don't want to just brush it off.
Are there any moves that Trump has made that give you any pause at all? Anything raise an eyebrow?
Again this is a problem. You (and a few others) demand that on some level we have to agree that our president is fouling up or we aren't as intelligent and urbane as you.
Whatever bad there may be? Far outweighed by the proper motivations and direction.
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No.
Not Hillary. Fuck YOU! I win.
But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my ability to evaluate performance. I got what I wanted. Doesn't mean I'm going to go blind or deaf (well except from listening to the bitching coming from some).
Since President Trump was elected all we've seen here is the same tired horseshit that preceded the election.
Prowler fires off some idiotic tin foil hat nonsense, he says some ridiculous shit, he posts like a drunken monkey and here some of you come to try to prop him up. It just makes you look as stupid as he is.
My president, our president, is doing exactly what he said he'd do. He's enacting the policies he promised when fuckheads and nancy pants aren't getting in his way.
He's not a politician. He doesn't give a goosetailed damn about opinion polls (which are farcical as the media has already proven), he isn't enamored with vapid Hollywood douches and currying their favor, he isn't talking out of both sides of his ass. That's all we've been used to from Obama, from that decrepit crone Hillary and even from McCain, Romney, Cruz, Rubio and the entire political ruling class.
He's a threat to them and a threat to the destiny they and the complicit media thought they could push on us because so many people in this country are as gullible and ill-informed as some of the people who post here.
I like most of what he's doing.
I completely disagree with the judges who are blocking the temporary immigration ban. They've overstepped their boundaries. What he's doing is right and legal.
I'm in line with most of his cabinet picks. It's sickened me to watch the hysterical bitch left (including fucked forever SNL again) attack people like DeVos and Sessions.
I'm okay with building the wall. They need to stay where they are unless they're willing to do things the right, legal way. I'd be behind him if he had that California legislator jailed -- you know, the one who admitted in session that many of his relatives have fake driver's licenses and social security cards. Felony.
I'm sick and tired of being told that I'm racist, Xena, phobic, whatever because I support our legitimately elected president. I'm sick and tired of a few muddle brained shitheads thinking they're smarter than the vast majority of us -- and yeah, it's the vast majority of the country excluding the shit stain that is California -- because we didn't follow their vision over the cliff and the death of the American way.
You're fucking right I won. WE won. America won. I'm not in the mood yet to let any of you fucks with your condescending bullshit forget it. But that's a long, long way from lock step.
Not sure why you keep lumping in cruz with those others. He's been in lock step with Donald on all of his nominees unlike the rest. We've went round and round with this one before but you have to understand that he's on your side and has millions of supporters he brings with him to your side.
Careful or you'll burn down a house that has good people in it also. McCain. Graham. Romney. Yeah I get that. But not every person in that Capitol dome is of the ruling class. Some of them did what they could the last 8 years and came up empty because of numbers or who was in the White House (veto). And some went along with Barry and or caved. There is a stark difference.
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The one thing in the short time he's been in office that I disagree with is the immigration ban. Not so much the ban itself, but more the way it was done. One day we didn't have it, the next...BAM! And despite the fact that he campaigned with that as one of his platforms and we knew he would implement some form of it, the way it was handled was like he was shoving it down our throats. And appearances were, right or wrong, that many in his own camp were taken by surprise.
Those who want to protest and bitch are going to do so regardless of the issue and/or M.O. But publically stating that some form of ban and vetting process is in the works and then sitting down with those you appointed to offer advice and iron out the details before rolling it out would have been much wiser IMO.
Second: Somebody get that fool off Twitter. Half the time he acts like a 13 year old girl that didn't get invited to the cool kids sleep over.
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Half the time he acts like a 13 year old girl that didn't get invited to the cool kids sleep over.
You would certainly have intimate knowledge of this feeling.
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You would certainly have intimate knowledge of this feeling.
She came to me for comfort. What could I do?
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The one thing in the short time he's been in office that I disagree with is the immigration ban. Not so much the ban itself, but more the way it was done. One day we didn't have it, the next...BAM! And despite the fact that he campaigned with that as one of his platforms and we knew he would implement some form of it, the way it was handled was like he was shoving it down our throats. And appearances were, right or wrong, that many in his own camp were taken by surprise.
But... There's wisdom in this approach too. Why must we give our enemies advance notice of what we're going to do?
Let's announce that in a month we're going to start really screening people. Lay out the way we're going to do it.
If I'm a terrorist with plans to infiltrate this country? If I'm an Islamic agitator set on spreading my worldview on America? Well I just got a golden invitation. I better come now before the new rules go into place or I might not make it in.
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She came to me for comfort. What could I do?
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Speaking of the ban, has anybody heard from Shug?
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Not sure why you keep lumping in cruz with those others. He's been in lock step with Donald on all of his nominees unlike the rest. We've went round and round with this one before but you have to understand that he's on your side and has millions of supporters he brings with him to your side.
Careful or you'll burn down a house that has good people in it also. McCain. Graham. Romney. Yeah I get that. But not every person in that Capitol dome is of the ruling class. Some of them did what they could the last 8 years and came up empty because of numbers or who was in the White House (veto). And some went along with Barry and or caved. There is a stark difference.
I don't see Cruz having millions of supporters. I'm glad he's decided to be on the right side, but it feels like a matter of political expediency as opposed to true values.
I really can't get past his Bad Lip Reading clip. That's how I see him.
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Not sure why you keep lumping in cruz with those others. He's been in lock step with Donald on all of his nominees unlike the rest. We've went round and round with this one before but you have to understand that he's on your side and has millions of supporters he brings with him to your side.
Careful or you'll burn down a house that has good people in it also. McCain. Graham. Romney. Yeah I get that. But not every person in that Capitol dome is of the ruling class. Some of them did what they could the last 8 years and came up empty because of numbers or who was in the White House (veto). And some went along with Barry and or caved. There is a stark difference.
Not that I necessarily dislike Cruz. But he went off the reservation. It's gonna take a while to earn back my trust. He colluded with some strange bedfellows at one time during this run.
I think at his core he is a staunch defender of the US. But he showed a side that was questionable. He needs to get back to being Ted before I totally trust him. So yes, he needs to be mentioned with the rest of them...for now.
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The one thing in the short time he's been in office that I disagree with is the immigration ban. Not so much the ban itself, but more the way it was done. One day we didn't have it, the next...BAM!
i have few thoughts on why it was done the way it was done...not that i necessarily agree.
excutive power, any president has the right to do it...some presidents do more than some, some more diplomatic. i think he did it to prove he isn't messing around. this is a big problem in the USA...we are soothing our population to much which has created the millenial character...being a pussy.
the other thought i have...he did it without notice to prevent a rush of people ...perhaps comprimising national security. why give the enemy the plans, ahead of time?
i agree there was a bit of confusion and with simple guidelines to the "trusted" department heads this could have been averted.
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i have few thoughts on why it was done the way it was done...not that i necessarily agree.
excutive power, any president has the right to do it...some presidents do more than some, some more diplomatic. i think he did it to prove he isn't messing around. this is a big problem in the USA...we are soothing our population to much which has created the millenial character...being a pussy.
the other thought i have...he did it without notice to prevent a rush of people ...perhaps comprimising national security. why give the enemy the plans, ahead of time?
i agree there was a bit of confusion and with simple guidelines to the "trusted" department heads this could have been averted.
There are many of us who were not offended and gave out a big
HELL YEAH!
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There are many of us who were not offended and gave out a big
HELL YEAH!
Whilst in the comfort of your man cave!
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Whilst in the comfort of your man cave!
Actually my home office. Or I might have been in the woods. Either way, it was yelled!
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Along with not giving the bad guys the "heads up" on the ban, Trump did say something in an interview that I gave my own "Hell Yeah!" to. And it's something I've questioned and asked you war-mongering military types about on here before.
Why the hell is the media reporting that we're sending 5,000 troops in to this region or that? Why are they giving us details on how we're preparing for a big offensive on a particular city 3 days in advance?
"American and British forces have amassed 7,500 troops, 15 tanks, 12 M3 Bradleys, 29 M75 Armored Personell Carriers, 20 M56 Howitzers, 6 Self-Propelled SAM Launchers and numerous other shit that starts with the letter "M" designed to fuck shit up. They're 2.7 miles south of Islamababadabado and the attack will begin at 4:17 a.m. Pacific Time. The French fell back to regroup and plan their strategy."
Machmud, the American infidels will begin their attack at 6:43 Central Time. You gotta' love this New York Times app. Quickly, let us inform the others.
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Machmud, the American infidels will begin their attack at 6:43 Central Time. You gotta' love this New York Times app. Quickly, let us inform the others.
I feel like this is racist. I'm offended
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I feel like this is racist. I'm offended
You Eastern Time Zone guys are so PC.
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Again this is a problem. You (and a few others) demand that on some level we have to agree that our president is fouling up or we aren't as intelligent and urbane as you.
Whatever bad there may be? Far outweighed by the proper motivations and direction.
It was a straightforward question.
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It was a straightforward question.
Predicated on the fact that I must find something disagreeable or I am wrong.
No thanks.
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I don't see Cruz having millions of supporters. I'm glad he's decided to be on the right side, but it feels like a matter of political expediency as opposed to true values.
I really can't get past his Bad Lip Reading clip. That's how I see him.
May want to check the primary results. Lot of people voted for him. Only behind trump. And most of those folks showed up for trump in the general to help.
What I'm saying is he (and his supporters) are on your side not against it. Primaries are heated and you have to get past that stuff at some point.
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Predicated on the fact that I must find something disagreeable or I am wrong.
No thanks.
So no?
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So no?
It's a stupid question and one I don't care to answer.
I'd prefer that you, Quixote and your donkey simply list the things with which you agree. I'm not going to play your infantile "common ground in disagreement" game.
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Predicated on the fact that I must find something disagreeable or I am wrong.
No thanks.
Read the words again. It is a simple question. If your answer is "no", then that's your answer.
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Maybe start here. I scanned the Googled Chromes and found a piece (Fox News) simply listing a snippet on each of the EO's Trump has signed since taking office. There was no other commentary that I saw so it's a pretty straightforward list.
Since taking office, President Trump has looked to fulfill some of his campaign promises by using executive orders. Here are the 19 orders, actions and memoranda he has signed so far:
•An order directing the Treasury secretary to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulatory law.
•A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first.
•An order instructing agencies that whenever they introduce a regulation, they must first abolish two others.
•A memorandum to restructure the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council.
•A memorandum directing the Secretary of Defense to draw up a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.
•An order to lengthen the ban on administration officials working as lobbyists. There is now a 5 year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government, and a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
•An executive order imposing a 120-day suspension of the refugee program and a 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from citizens of seven terror hot spots: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan.
•Two multi-pronged orders on border security and immigration enforcement including: the authorization of a U.S.-Mexico border wall; the stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities; hiring 5,000 more Border Patrol agents; ending “catch-and-release†policies for illegal immigrants; and reinstating local and state immigration enforcement partnerships.
•A memorandum calling for a 30-day review of military readiness.
•Two orders reviving the Keystone XL pipeline and Dakota Access piplines. He also signed three other related orders that would: expedite the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects related to the pipelines; direct the Commerce Department to streamline the manufacturing permitting process; and give the Commerce Department 180 days to maximize the use of U.S. steel in the pipeline.
•An order to reinstate the so-called "Mexico City Policy" – a ban on federal funds to international groups that perform abortions or lobby to legalize or promote abortion. The policy was instituted in 1984 by President Reagan, but has gone into and out of effect depending on the party in power in the White House.
•A notice that the U.S. will begin withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Trump called the order "a great thing for the American worker."
•An order imposing a hiring freeze for some federal government workers as a way to shrink the size of government. This excludes the military, as Trump noted at the signing.
•An order that directs federal agencies to ease the “regulatory burdens†of ObamaCare. It orders agencies to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement†of ObamaCare that imposes a “fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.â€
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It's a stupid question and one I don't care to answer.
I'd prefer that you, Quixote and your donkey simply list the things with which you agree. I'm not going to play your infantile "common ground in disagreement" game.
Ok, I'll go first.
I'll rank them.
1. Neil Gorsuch was an extraordinary nomination. I didn't expect that at all. Pleasantly surprised.
2. Despite the hysteria on the left, I think DeVos is a great choice for Secretary of Education
3. "Mad Dog" Mattis was a really good Secretary of Defense pick.
4. Mike Pompeo was a good pick for CIA Director.
I'm realizing the only positive things I can say about anything he's actually done to this point is he has made some good hires who do know what they're doing. That, and as I said before, I think a lot of the criticisms are hyperbolic. They're usually focusing on the wrong, dumb, things to attack him for.
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Ok, I'll go first.
I'll rank them.
1. Neil Gorsuch was an extraordinary nomination. I didn't expect that at all. Pleasantly surprised.
2. Despite the hysteria on the left, I think DeVos is a great choice for Secretary of Education
3. "Mad Dog" Mattis was a really good Secretary of Defense pick.
4. Mike Pompeo was a good pick for CIA Director.
I'm realizing the only positive things I can say about anything he's actually done to this point is he has made some good hires who do know what they're doing. That, and as I said before, I think a lot of the criticisms are hyperbolic. They're usually focusing on the wrong, dumb, things to attack him for.
this one. yes the one in bold.
i would like to read your thoughts on her. i haven't really made a fair assesment. teachers and pta members in my kids school district are in crisis mode. if she has anything to do with removing common core then i think she is a great pick. if she has anything to do with giving more freedom to parents say in the school system besides paying taxes then i am for her.
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I feel like this is racist. I'm offended
Only a cloth drying apparatus should make you feel like that. :facepalm:
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Maybe start here. I scanned the Googled Chromes and found a piece (Fox News) simply listing a snippet on each of the EO's Trump has signed since taking office. There was no other commentary that I saw so it's a pretty straightforward list.
Since taking office, President Trump has looked to fulfill some of his campaign promises by using executive orders. Here are the 19 orders, actions and memoranda he has signed so far:
•An order directing the Treasury secretary to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulatory law.
I'm fine with this. We'll see what is found in that "review", but as of now, I'll agree a review is in order.
•A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first.
Don't know a lot about this one, but it seems bad to me. Why do this? Who is he serving here?
•An order instructing agencies that whenever they introduce a regulation, they must first abolish two others.
This one is...interesting. I'd say it's pretty draconian and simplistic, but I get that the intent is to reduce regulations on the whole. I guess philosophically, I agree that less regulation tends to be better than more regulation, but I'm not so libertarian that I think they're always bad, and I can definitely imagine where this order can interfere with some necessary regulations to negative effects.
•A memorandum to restructure the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council.
Again, depends on how it's "restructured". Looking into it? Fine.
•A memorandum directing the Secretary of Defense to draw up a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.
This one is kinda LOL. "You've got 30 days to defeat ISIS". Will be interesting to see what magic wand they develop over those 30 days that eliminates evil.
•An order to lengthen the ban on administration officials working as lobbyists. There is now a 5 year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government, and a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
Don't have strong opinions on this one. I guess I'm fine with it.
•An executive order imposing a 120-day suspension of the refugee program and a 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from citizens of seven terror hot spots: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan.
This one is more complex than either side is willing to admit. I think Snags already basically said this, but my biggest problem was the implementation. I don't think a 90-day moratorium on countries that Obama designated as problem countries, is necessarily a ban on Muslims. Basically, with this one, I'm generally opposed on grounds that I don't think it will have much of a positive effect compared to the negative effects we saw/are seeing. But at the same time, I think much of the backlash was hyperbolic.
•Two multi-pronged orders on border security and immigration enforcement including: the authorization of a U.S.-Mexico border wall; the stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities; hiring 5,000 more Border Patrol agents; ending “catch-and-release†policies for illegal immigrants; and reinstating local and state immigration enforcement partnerships.
I think I've made my stance on this one clear. Like the travel ban, the negative effects far outweigh what little good it will do. Colossal waste of money, even if Mexico actually does end up footing the bill with tariffs. And like I said, we'll end up footing the bill when they hike prices on US consumers AND we'll get more immigration from Mexico to the US when we destroy their economy.
•A memorandum calling for a 30-day review of military readiness.
Don't know a lot about this one but sounds like a dick-measuring contest.
•Two orders reviving the Keystone XL pipeline and Dakota Access piplines. He also signed three other related orders that would: expedite the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects related to the pipelines; direct the Commerce Department to streamline the manufacturing permitting process; and give the Commerce Department 180 days to maximize the use of U.S. steel in the pipeline.
I didn't like this when Obama originally tried to do it. I still don't like it when Trump tries to revive it. Curious, if you support it now, did you support it under Obama?
•An order to reinstate the so-called "Mexico City Policy" – a ban on federal funds to international groups that perform abortions or lobby to legalize or promote abortion. The policy was instituted in 1984 by President Reagan, but has gone into and out of effect depending on the party in power in the White House.
I like this one. I've said this before, I equate Planned Parenthood with the NRA of the left, and I'm pretty sure Democrats would have a livid shit-fit if the NRA received federal funding for "gun safety" classes. The funds would be redirected to actual women's health clinics instead of abortion factories. I'm fine with that.
•A notice that the U.S. will begin withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Trump called the order "a great thing for the American worker."
TPP has some protectionist imperfections, but on net, it expands economic freedoms for free trade, a conservative principle. Trump is against the free trade part, not the protectionist part. This one is bad from a conservative standpoint.
•An order imposing a hiring freeze for some federal government workers as a way to shrink the size of government. This excludes the military, as Trump noted at the signing.
This one, again, on principle, I agree with. Not sure how great it will be in practice for employment. I don't like that the military is excluded since there's plenty of waste and overspending there as well.
•An order that directs federal agencies to ease the “regulatory burdens†of ObamaCare. It orders agencies to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement†of ObamaCare that imposes a “fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.â€
I would be all for this if Republicans had their shit together enough to have a replacement plan after 8 years of bitching.
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this one. yes the one in bold.
i would like to read your thoughts on her. i haven't really made a fair assesment. teachers and pta members in my kids school district are in crisis mode. if she has anything to do with removing common core then i think she is a great pick. if she has anything to do with giving more freedom to parents say in the school system besides paying taxes then i am for her.
She is definitely all about those things. She is a leader in the school choice charter school movement.
Charter schools get government funding but don't have to follow school district regulations and curriculum. They don't have to answer to teacher's unions which is why Democrats picked that hill to die on. They pay their salaries. And they're allowed to fail or succeed on their own free market merits. And the left hates them some free markets.
There's a lot of data out there that show that charter schools get results, especially here in New Orleans.
http://www.newschoolsforneworleans.org/education-in-nola/data-and-analysis/
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So what do you guys think about Trump offering to "destroy" Republican Konni Burton's career for advocating against civil asset forfeiture? Against the government stealing citizens property without any due process whatsoever, directly and clearly in violation of the fourth and fifth amendments.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-quips-d-destroy-career-193347486.html
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So what do you guys think about Trump offering to "destroy" Republican Konni Burton's career for advocating against civil asset forfeiture? Against the government stealing citizens property without any due process whatsoever, directly and clearly in violation of the fourth and fifth amendments.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-quips-d-destroy-career-193347486.html
I'm not commenting on the constitutionality-ability of the civil asset forfeiture here. This piece and one other are all I've read on what Trump said and my hope, since it said he got laughs, is that he was trying to be funny.
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this one. yes the one in bold.
i would like to read your thoughts on her. i haven't really made a fair assesment. teachers and pta members in my kids school district are in crisis mode. if she has anything to do with removing common core then i think she is a great pick. if she has anything to do with giving more freedom to parents say in the school system besides paying taxes then i am for her.
Samsies...I can't get a good read on her.
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I'm not commenting on the constitutionality-ability of the civil asset forfeiture here. This piece and one other are all I've read on what Trump said and my hope, since it said he got laughs, is that he was trying to be funny.
And maybe he was. I know for sure Kaos will say that he was. But that is a Trumpian excuse. The truth behind the "joke" is that he is absolutely serious that he strongly opposes her stance on NOT letting the government steal from you without due process, which is bad enough in and of itself, IMO, but that he will use his bully pulpit to AT BEST sway public opinion against her. I mean, he has shown time and time and time and time and time again that he's all about doing that over Twitter. It's not ok to "joke" like that about a Senator for daring to step in the way of your bald authoritarianism.
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And maybe he was. I know for sure Kaos will say that he was. But that is a Trumpian excuse. The truth behind the "joke" is that he is absolutely serious that he strongly opposes her stance on NOT letting the government steal from you without due process, which is bad enough in and of itself, IMO, but that he will use his bully pulpit to AT BEST sway public opinion against her. I mean, he has shown time and time and time and time and time again that he's all about doing that over Twitter. It's not ok to "joke" like that about a Senator for daring to step in the way of your bald authoritarianism.
Your horse is so high.
I don't really care. I'm not inclined to parse every word he's ever said.
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Your horse is so high.
I don't really care. I'm not inclined to parse every word he's ever said.
You should. Everyone else in the world is.
Try parsing this one. Are you gonna pretend you wouldn't be ripshit pissed about this if Obama said it about America?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjjwD2csC5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAJl-wZElg
Is it true that Senators get people killed for speaking out against them? I know some of you are 100% convinced of Vince Foster conspiracies, to which I roll my eyes. But is he advocating for that? Is he saying "Hey, so what Putin is running an oligarchy and has dissidents killed? That's not so bad." Is he shitting on America enough to morally equating us with the murderous Russian government?
Again, words mean things, man. You can't just spout that shit with no consequences.
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Senator Daylin Leachâ€
@daylinleach
Hey @realDonaldTrump I oppose civil asset forfeiture too! Why don't you try to destroy my career you fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon!
12:58 PM · Feb 7, 2017
#ShitGibbon
#MicDrop
#VASTSupport
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You should. Everyone else in the world is.
Then they should worry about their own problems
Try parsing this one. Are you gonna pretend you wouldn't be ripshit pissed about this if Obama said it about America?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjjwD2csC5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAJl-wZElg
No. I really don't care. I don't see the problem. It's brutally honest. Our hands aren't clean. Pretending they are isn't necessarily productive. Nor is alienating a Russia we may need as an ally in the fight against Isis and perhaps against the Chinese. Would I perhaps wish he'd phrased it differently? Maybe so. But we aren't used to political figures telling us the truth.
Is it true that Senators get people killed for speaking out against them? I know some of you are 100% convinced of Vince Foster conspiracies, to which I roll my eyes. But is he advocating for that? Is he saying "Hey, so what Putin is running an oligarchy and has dissidents killed? That's not so bad." Is he shitting on America enough to morally equating us with the murderous Russian government?
He's not advocating anything. He's just saying it's disingenuous to brand Putin a "killer" and turn a blind eye to things that happen elsewhere. How do you know what our government does and doesn't do? How do you know the Russian government is "murderous." Do you know any Russians?
You can't be so naive to think that there are people who are and were in power who've had people removed from the picture. Hell, I know of somebody who would take care of people for the right incentive and you'd never have any idea they were offed. Heart attack, car accident, boating accident, lawnmower tragedy. There are too many coincidences in Clinton's past where people turned up dead to dismiss that idea out of hand. Do I think she PERSONALLY killed anybody? No, this isn't House of Cards, she didn't shove anybody in front of a train. I don't have any evidence to support the contention that Putin ever stuck a knife in anybody himself, either. But when it comes to Hillbillary there are people so ardently loyal to her that they'd do it. She can claim innocence, but if she gave any indication, they would have done it. She's aware. Don't think she's not. Maybe that's what he was referring to. I don't know.
Again, words mean things, man. You can't just spout that shit with no consequences.
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Senator Daylin Leachâ€
@daylinleach
Hey @realDonaldTrump I oppose civil asset forfeiture too! Why don't you try to destroy my career you fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon!
12:58 PM · Feb 7, 2017
#ShitGibbon
#MicDrop
#VASTSupport
^
#ateupwiththedumbass
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#ateupwiththedumbass
Proving a point that A) He doesn't have VAST support, like your retarded ass claimed and continues to stand by...B) Not everyone thought it was a joke...especially not the Senator from Pennsylvania.
It's amazing how much of your ass you can be served and yet you still post stupid shit.
#MicDrop
#SitDown
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Proving a point that A) He doesn't have VAST support, like your retarded ass claimed and continues to stand by...B) Not everyone thought it was a joke...especially not the Senator from Pennsylvania.
It's amazing how much of your ass you can be served and yet you still post stupid shit.
#MicDrop
#SitDown
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The Senator from Pennsylvania should be tossed out on his ass. Where's the outrage? This trumps (Pun intended) anything our President has ever said publically or tweeted. Childish, juvenile, totally inappropriate conduct for a U.S. Senator. If the people from the Land of Sandusky don't toss this clown, this country is officially fucked.
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The Senator from Pennsylvania should be tossed out on his ass. Where's the outrage? This trumps (Pun intended) anything our President has ever said publically or tweeted. Childish, juvenile, totally inappropriate conduct for a U.S. Senator. If the people from the Land of Sandusky don't toss this clown, this country is officially fucked.
#bingo
#outonhisass
#Senatorchapass
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The Senator from Pennsylvania should be tossed out on his ass. Where's the outrage? This trumps (Pun intended) anything our President has ever said publically or tweeted. Childish, juvenile, totally inappropriate conduct for a U.S. Senator. If the people from the Land of Sandusky don't toss this clown, this country is officially fucked.
I was gonna say pretty much the same thing.
Prowler, are you seriously criticizing Trump for his diarrhea of the mouth and then simultaneously defending this?
I agree with the Senator 100% on the actual issue at hand, but if this is where discourse is in 2017, we're fucked.
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I agree with the Senator 100% on the actual issue at hand, but if this is where discourse 2017, we're fucked.
#everwrong
Seriously. How can you agree with the senator?
This is where discourse is in 2017 NOT because of Trump but because of the morons who oppose every thing he does. Shit like this is why I don't care much about his goofy tweets.
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I was gonna say pretty much the same thing.
Prowler, are you seriously criticizing Trump for his diarrhea of the mouth and then simultaneously defending this?
I agree with the Senator 100% on the actual issue at hand, but if this is where discourse 2017, we're fucked.
I agree with the actual issue at hand. Opposing Civil Asset Forfeiture and seeing a President threatening to ruin someone's career because they don't agree with him is not a good thing at all, it's a Dictatorship.
Not one time did I state a defense of the Senator with the way he responded. It was, again, to point out that Trump does not have "VAST support" and that the Senator from Pennsylvania didn't see Trump's statements as a joke (he took them personally).
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To defend or oppose civil asset forfeiture is one thing. To launch a foul mouth, personal attack akin to two 9th graders squaring off in the school yard is something I have to think Pennsylvanianonians should be up in arms about. Please let there be some accountability for this man. Please let me see there is at least a modicum of sanity and civility left in this country.
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#everwrong
Seriously. How can you agree with the senator?
This is where discourse is in 2017 NOT because of Trump but because of the morons who oppose every thing he does. Shit like this is why I don't care much about his goofy tweets.
That's just it. You can't see straight, IT IS because of Trump.
Don't be a #ShitGibbon like Trump & Kellyanne Conway.
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That's just it. You can't see straight, IT IS because of Trump.
Don't be a #ShitGibbon like Trump & Kellyanne Conway.
#Prowlerfartsinhand
#Prowlersniffsit
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#everwrong
Seriously. How can you agree with the senator?
Seriously. How could you not?
No, seriously, seriously.
Explain to me how the government taking property from people for no good goddamn reason without due process is in any way, shape, or form good? Explain to me why wiping your ass with the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution is good.
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Seriously. How could you not?
No, seriously, seriously.
Explain to me how the government taking property from people for no good goddamn reason without due process is in any way, shape, or form good? Explain to me why wiping your ass with the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution is good.
Well to be fair, if you're in a tight and there's no Charmin around and all you have are the 4th and 5th Amendments. I mean come on, they're just copies. And I'm not using my t-shirt.
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And by the by, while I am a staunch supporter of law enforcement and the people who put their lives on the line every day, I'm equally opposed to civil forfeiture. It may be somewhat of a deterrent in heavy drug trafficking areas and a much needed source of revenue for the boys in blue, but it flies in the face of all basic due process principles.
But that's me looking in from the outside. I'd love to hear from Token on the issue and see if it's prevalent in his area and how they view it.
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#Prowlerfartsinhand
#Prowlersniffsit
You done? You agree with Civil Asset Forfeiture?
Here's the Senator from Texas' response...
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Now that is a rational, measured response. Not "Nana Boo Boo Shit Face Poo Poo Butt Trump".
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Seriously. How could you not?
No, seriously, seriously.
Explain to me how the government taking property from people for no good goddamn reason without due process is in any way, shape, or form good? Explain to me why wiping your ass with the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution is good.
If you'll stop Sancho-ing for a barely functioning life form for ten minutes and pay attention to what's going on....
1) I haven't seen any orders issued from Trump or anyone in an official capacity in the current administration propose any new rules or regulations in regard to civil asset forfeiture.
2) The forfeiture we're talking about is NOT the government randomly seizing property (a la eminent domain). It's the current right of law enforcement organizations to take the assets of motherfucking CRIMINALS. It's seizing drugs. Taking the cars of drug dealers. Taking the cash from drug dealers. They've been doing it for years and years.
3) All I've seen him say in regard to it is that he doesn't agree with people who are stupidly advocating for the rules regarding the practice to be more limited than they are.
So please, for the sake of GOD, take off the pissy pants and understand what's actually being discussed. Fuck.
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Here's the Senator from Texas' response...
Senator from Texas? Is there really some big issue with assets being taken away from non-criminals? #fucknothereisnt
Therefore:
#Senatorcansuckit
#criminalslose
#Prowlerfartsinhand
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Senator from Texas? Is there really some big issue with assets being taken away from non-criminals? #fucknothereisnt
Therefore:
#Senatorcansuckit
#criminalslose
#Prowlerfartsinhand
You're apparently too fucking ignorant to understand that it doesn't pertain only to criminals. If you knew how to read, you'd see that it also includes those that have NOT been convicted of a crime and in some cases have NOT even been charged of a crime.
Therefore:
#YouAreADumbass
#ShitGibbon
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You're apparently too fucking ignorant to understand that it doesn't pertain only to criminals. If you knew how to read, you'd see that it also includes those that have NOT been convicted of a crime and in some cases have NOT even been charged of a crime.
Therefore:
#YouAreADumbass
#ShitGibbon
Well shit. There for a minute, I thought you were getting somewhere.
No. You're back to farting in hand, sniffing it.
You're completely mis-characterizing the topic. You, Sancho and Don are screaming and shitting your ruffled panties over a non issue.
#fluffypanties
#fartinhand
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Did 84 Lumber build the gates or the entire wall?
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Well shit. There for a minute, I thought you were getting somewhere.
No. You're back to farting in hand, sniffing it.
You're completely mis-characterizing the topic. You, Sancho and Don are screaming and shitting your ruffled panties over a non issue.
#fluffypanties
#fartinhand
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Was going to go through what I know of this yesterday but got caught up in some other things.
Maybe start here. I scanned the Googled Chromes and found a piece (Fox News) simply listing a snippet on each of the EO's Trump has signed since taking office. There was no other commentary that I saw so it's a pretty straightforward list.
Since taking office, President Trump has looked to fulfill some of his campaign promises by using executive orders. Here are the 19 orders, actions and memoranda he has signed so far:
Maybe start here. I scanned the Googled Chromes and found a piece (Fox News) simply listing a snippet on each of the EO's Trump has signed since taking office. There was no other commentary that I saw so it's a pretty straightforward list.
Since taking office, President Trump has looked to fulfill some of his campaign promises by using executive orders. Here are the 19 orders, actions and memoranda he has signed so far:
•An order directing the Treasury secretary to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulatory law.
I'm fine with this. We'll see what is found in that "review", but as of now, I'll agree a review is in order. Agreed
•A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first.
Don't know a lot about this one, but it seems bad to me. Why do this? Who is he serving here? Have actually had a number of lengthy discussions with my financial guy on this one. He is a relatively big deal with Edward Jones here in GA. The financial folks are pissed off with Trump because he has halted an operation that they have sunk a lot of money into to be compliant by when the Obama admin said they had to be. Overall it seems to be a good law and will give an investor more option in regard to how they compensate their broker. ie. percentage vs flat fee. Don't have a problem with them putting a stop hold on it to ensure nothing hinky was going to go on with it's implementation.
•An order instructing agencies that whenever they introduce a regulation, they must first abolish two others.
This one is...interesting. I'd say it's pretty draconian and simplistic, but I get that the intent is to reduce regulations on the whole. I guess philosophically, I agree that less regulation tends to be better than more regulation, but I'm not so libertarian that I think they're always bad, and I can definitely imagine where this order can interfere with some necessary regulations to negative effects. I like where his head is at on this one but not sure how realistic it is to implement.
•A memorandum to restructure the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council.
Again, depends on how it's "restructured". Looking into it? Fine. Agreed
•A memorandum directing the Secretary of Defense to draw up a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.
This one is kinda LOL. "You've got 30 days to defeat ISIS". Will be interesting to see what magic wand they develop over those 30 days that eliminates evil. I think you may have misinterpreted this one. I read it only to be to have a plan within 30 days to go forward in wiping these animals off the face of the Earth. General Mattis already stated during his confirmation hearing that one of the biggest problems overall has been that the military had no clear objective and he aimed to solve that.
•An order to lengthen the ban on administration officials working as lobbyists. There is now a 5 year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government, and a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
Don't have strong opinions on this one. I guess I'm fine with it. Agreed
•An executive order imposing a 120-day suspension of the refugee program and a 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from citizens of seven terror hot spots: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan.
This one is more complex than either side is willing to admit. I think Snags already basically said this, but my biggest problem was the implementation. I don't think a 90-day moratorium on countries that Obama designated as problem countries, is necessarily a ban on Muslims. Basically, with this one, I'm generally opposed on grounds that I don't think it will have much of a positive effect compared to the negative effects we saw/are seeing. But at the same time, I think much of the backlash was hyperbolic. Pretty well in the same boat. How it was rolled out was not how I would have done it but it doesn't really do anything that has not already been in play earlier and I agree that it needs to be examined to ensure we are doing our level best to let only those in that pose no/limited threat to our own citizens.
•Two multi-pronged orders on border security and immigration enforcement including: the authorization of a U.S.-Mexico border wall; the stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities; hiring 5,000 more Border Patrol agents; ending “catch-and-release†policies for illegal immigrants; and reinstating local and state immigration enforcement partnerships.
I think I've made my stance on this one clear. Like the travel ban, the negative effects far outweigh what little good it will do. Colossal waste of money, even if Mexico actually does end up footing the bill with tariffs. And like I said, we'll end up footing the bill when they hike prices on US consumers AND we'll get more immigration from Mexico to the US when we destroy their economy. We are going to differ here some. I think the whole "wall" talk is hyperbolic however having a high school friend who works for border patrol tell me that "more agents is the best start to solve the problem" then I am willing to let all the rest of it ride for a while.
•A memorandum calling for a 30-day review of military readiness.
Don't know a lot about this one but sounds like a dick-measuring contest.
What I have read on this involves Mattis assessing where the pentagon is as an across the board measurement. I'm ok with it.
•Two orders reviving the Keystone XL pipeline and Dakota Access piplines. He also signed three other related orders that would: expedite the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects related to the pipelines; direct the Commerce Department to streamline the manufacturing permitting process; and give the Commerce Department 180 days to maximize the use of U.S. steel in the pipeline.
I didn't like this when Obama originally tried to do it. I still don't like it when Trump tries to revive it. Curious, if you support it now, did you support it under Obama? Not nearly as well read on this as what I probably should be but feel like everyone is having a pissing contest over it.
•An order to reinstate the so-called "Mexico City Policy" – a ban on federal funds to international groups that perform abortions or lobby to legalize or promote abortion. The policy was instituted in 1984 by President Reagan, but has gone into and out of effect depending on the party in power in the White House.
I like this one. I've said this before, I equate Planned Parenthood with the NRA of the left, and I'm pretty sure Democrats would have a livid shit-fit if the NRA received federal funding for "gun safety" classes. The funds would be redirected to actual women's health clinics instead of abortion factories. I'm fine with that. Agreed
•A notice that the U.S. will begin withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Trump called the order "a great thing for the American worker."
TPP has some protectionist imperfections, but on net, it expands economic freedoms for free trade, a conservative principle. Trump is against the free trade part, not the protectionist part. This one is bad from a conservative standpoint. Once again I'm not sure that I understand the ins and outs of this one enough to make an informed judgment.
•An order imposing a hiring freeze for some federal government workers as a way to shrink the size of government. This excludes the military, as Trump noted at the signing.
This one, again, on principle, I agree with. Not sure how great it will be in practice for employment. I don't like that the military is excluded since there's plenty of waste and overspending there as well. Agree on this one. I am hoping that Mattis straightens out most of the wastes associated with the military.
•An order that directs federal agencies to ease the “regulatory burdens†of ObamaCare. It orders agencies to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement†of ObamaCare that imposes a “fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.â€
I would be all for this if Republicans had their shit together enough to have a replacement plan after 8 years of bitching. Once again agree
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On last point ^^ I believe Price has a plan. Not sure the specifics of it - but he has to get the nod for HHS first. That is today.
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Back to the original point of this thread.
I have no problem with the Budweiser ad, really. It showed somebody coming to America legally with an idea and a dream. It showed someone taking advantage of the opportunities here to build a business and eventually an empire. I could have done without the "go home" shove because it was superfluous bullshit and looked to be a last minute tack on.
The 84 Lumber nonsense, however, can burn in a fire. I'm not inclined or willing to celebrate an illegal immigrant-- a CRIMINAL -- and I don't appreciate the heart-string tugging garbage of the little girl sewing her own little American flag from scraps. If she wants to come here? Do it the right way.
1) Lets find and deport every single illegal in the country.
2) Lock down the borders and only allow people in who are following the rules.
3) Review the immigration process and revise it so that it is more easily traversed and understood.
Then if Mexican Mama wants to come through the door with her child and tattered flag, there's a clear and efficient method for her to apply and obtain permission to do so.
Until then? She's a criminal and should be arrested and sent back where she came from.
#blowitoutyour84ass
#Nomore84
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If you'll stop Sancho-ing for a barely functioning life form for ten minutes and pay attention to what's going on....
1) I haven't seen any orders issued from Trump or anyone in an official capacity in the current administration propose any new rules or regulations in regard to civil asset forfeiture.
Right, he's threatening anyone who tries to challenge his authoritarian power.
2) The forfeiture we're talking about is NOT the government randomly seizing property (a la eminent domain).
It's not exactly the same thing, but it's definitely a close cousin. And Trump is for both (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431005/trump-eminent-domain).
It's the current right of law enforcement organizations to take the assets of motherfucking CRIMINALS. It's seizing drugs. Taking the cars of drug dealers. Taking the cash from drug dealers. They've been doing it for years and years.
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Prowler knows more than you do about this, how does that make you feel? As he already said, there is no due process. People's assets are being forfeited without being convicted, or even charged for crimes.
3) All I've seen him say in regard to it is that he doesn't agree with people who are stupidly advocating for the rules regarding the practice to be more limited than they are.
So please, for the sake of GOD, take off the pissy pants and understand what's actually being discussed. Fuck.
Between me, Prowler, and you, one of us doesn't understand what's actually being discussed and it's not who you think.
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Was going to go through what I know of this yesterday but got caught up in some other things.
THIS is how you have a political conversation.
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1) Lets find and deport every single illegal in the country.
Disagree with you here. Do you know how many systems would shut down if this were to happen. Forget for a moment how much manpower and time it would take. It sounds simple but people aren't going to pick their own oranges or strawberries (no disrespect or racism meant, it is what it is)...ie the world needs ditch diggers too.
I honestly think the solution is much easier. Those that are here already, have to register, listen you are here it's fine come in and get a registration (like a Social Security card). If you have been convicted of a criminal crime you are deported (no second chances). If you haven't been convicted of a crime you are now legal to work, doesn't mean you are a citizen.
You now get to work and have social security and taxes removed from your paycheck, just like the rest of us. You have to file your taxes too (which is another discussion, but I don't care if you pay $5 annually in taxes everyone should have to pay something). You now have 5 years (or 7 whatever) to continue to work, pay taxes and be an upstanding citizen. If in that time you do anything criminal or don't pay your taxes you are deported. If not you have a right to apply for US citizenship.
For those that want to come into this country, need to be screened including medical and the need to be on a probationary period. You can't obtain work in 90 days, you are gone. You have a pre-existing medical condition sorry but you cannot enter the US.
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I forgot to add if you are an illegal here and are not contributing to society or are on some type of government program you have a period (6 months whatever it is) in which you need to get a job or get off said program or you will be deported.
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Disagree with you here. Do you know how many systems would shut down if this were to happen. Forget for a moment how much manpower and time it would take. It sounds simple but people aren't going to pick their own oranges or strawberries (no disrespect or racism meant, it is what it is)...ie the world needs ditch diggers too.
I honestly think the solution is much easier. Those that are here already, have to register, listen you are here it's fine come in and get a registration (like a Social Security card). If you have been convicted of a criminal crime you are deported (no second chances). If you haven't been convicted of a crime you are now legal to work, doesn't mean you are a citizen.
You now get to work and have social security and taxes removed from your paycheck, just like the rest of us. You have to file your taxes too (which is another discussion, but I don't care if you pay $5 annually in taxes everyone should have to pay something). You now have 5 years (or 7 whatever) to continue to work, pay taxes and be an upstanding citizen. If in that time you do anything criminal or don't pay your taxes you are deported. If not you have a right to apply for US citizenship.
For those that want to come into this country, need to be screened including medical and the need to be on a probationary period. You can't obtain work in 90 days, you are gone. You have a pre-existing medical condition sorry but you cannot enter the US.
I'd allow it. I don't like rewarding criminals for their past behavior, but I can accept your concept. I will pass it on.
With the exception that those with a violent criminal record are excluded from the naturalization process at the start. I think that's what you meant, but I want to clarify.
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Not a big Yuengling fan, but could live with this.
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Disagree with you here. Do you know how many systems would shut down if this were to happen. Forget for a moment how much manpower and time it would take. It sounds simple but people aren't going to pick their own oranges or strawberries (no disrespect or racism meant, it is what it is)...ie the world needs ditch diggers too.
I honestly think the solution is much easier. Those that are here already, have to register, listen you are here it's fine come in and get a registration (like a Social Security card). If you have been convicted of a criminal crime you are deported (no second chances). If you haven't been convicted of a crime you are now legal to work, doesn't mean you are a citizen.
You now get to work and have social security and taxes removed from your paycheck, just like the rest of us. You have to file your taxes too (which is another discussion, but I don't care if you pay $5 annually in taxes everyone should have to pay something). You now have 5 years (or 7 whatever) to continue to work, pay taxes and be an upstanding citizen. If in that time you do anything criminal or don't pay your taxes you are deported. If not you have a right to apply for US citizenship.
For those that want to come into this country, need to be screened including medical and the need to be on a probationary period. You can't obtain work in 90 days, you are gone. You have a pre-existing medical condition sorry but you cannot enter the US.
Oh please. That's just because you're scared your 23 year old "maid", Consuela Gonzales, might get deported and won't be able to "Cleen for Meester GF muy bueno ."
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I'd allow it. I don't like rewarding criminals for their past behavior, but I can accept your concept. I will pass it on.
With the exception that those with a violent criminal record are excluded from the naturalization process at the start. I think that's what you meant, but I want to clarify.
It's not that black and white
I think it's a bit hyperbole to call anyone who comes into this country "criminal" because they may not have done it legally. If that's the case a lot of us, if not of American Indian heritage, are criminal in some fashion. Not everyone may have the means to do things the right way. I have no issue with someone who comes to this country to make a better life for themselves, contribute to society and wants to live by our laws. Including some way to obtain their citizenship. Currently that system is fucked and it is a system that has been fucked through many regimes, Republican and Democrat.
and yes if you are a violent offender, hell anything short of a civil record IMO, I think you should be deported and or not allowed into this country. I'd consider being convicted of drunk driving a deportable offense.
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Oh please. That's just because you're scared your 23 year old "maid", Consuela Gonzales, might get deported and won't be able to "Cleen for Meester GF muy bueno ."
No...no we need more lemon pledge
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We have an illegal Guatemalan population in my area, and honestly I would rather deport some Americans (especially celebrities) than the vast nice folks that are just trying to make a living and feed their families. We don't have many issues with that contingent within our area.
I would rather see a system setup for them to become taxpaying citizens than have them deported. Again granted they aren't criminals.
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Disagree with you here. Do you know how many systems would shut down if this were to happen. Forget for a moment how much manpower and time it would take. It sounds simple but people aren't going to pick their own oranges or strawberries (no disrespect or racism meant, it is what it is)...ie the world needs ditch diggers too. agree...this would mean my ass will be getting dirty and i would have to wear enclosed shoes...oh the horror
I honestly think the solution is much easier. Those that are here already, have to register, listen you are here it's fine come in and get a registration (like a Social Security card). If you have been convicted of a criminal crime you are deported (no second chances). If you haven't been convicted of a crime you are now legal to work, doesn't mean you are a citizen. disagree and agree...it would take an amnesty law...just not as simple as run to the social security office
You now get to work and have social security and taxes removed from your paycheck, just like the rest of us. You have to file your taxes too (which is another discussion, but I don't care if you pay $5 annually in taxes everyone should have to pay something). You now have 5 years (or 7 whatever) to continue to work, pay taxes and be an upstanding citizen. If in that time you do anything criminal or don't pay your taxes you are deported. If not you have a right to apply for US citizenship.though in the USA illegally many have legit fakes to gain employment which includes a social security card as far as taxes on the pay check they take the full dependents thus no federal or possibly state taxes being paid and that is open to any of us...but i yes they need to file which many probably do not to so
For those that want to come into this country, need to be screened including medical and the need to be on a probationary period. You can't obtain work in 90 days, you are gone. You have a pre-existing medical condition sorry but you cannot enter the US.Ellis Island is no longer open but I agree
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We have an illegal Guatemalan population in my area, and honestly I would rather deport some Americans (especially celebrities) than the vast nice folks that are just trying to make a living and feed their families. We don't have many issues with that contingent within our area.
I would rather see a system setup for them to become taxpaying citizens than have them deported. Again granted they aren't criminals.
they make excellent tamales.
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No...no we need more lemon pledge
Consuela, I need you to clean the very top shelf of that book case.
Again? Okay Meester GF? But I need a chair to stand on. I can't reach it.
I'll get it for you. And here, let me hold on to you so you'll stay steady and won't fall.
Ooooohh, Meester GF.....
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It's not that black and white
I think it's a bit hyperbole to call anyone who comes into this country "criminal" because they may not have done it legally. If that's the case a lot of us, if not of American Indian heritage, are criminal in some fashion. Not everyone may have the means to do things the right way. I have no issue with someone who comes to this country to make a better life for themselves, contribute to society and wants to live by our laws. Including some way to obtain their citizenship. Currently that system is fucked and it is a system that has been fucked through many regimes, Republican and Democrat.
and yes if you are a violent offender, hell anything short of a civil record IMO, I think you should be deported and or not allowed into this country. I'd consider being convicted of drunk driving a deportable offense.
That is a liberal misrepresentation. The American Indian was not CREATED on this continent. They migrated here, like most everyone else. Maybe the animals that were already here have a claim to the land....
I know where my people came from. They didn't sneak in.
But really all of that does not matter. If you are here illegally, you knew the risk. If you were born on this soil, you, by law, are now a citizen.
The ones here illegally who have enjoyed the fruits of legal citizens, have stolen from the citizens right of the pursuit of happiness. It is an American right, not a world right. (not a Mexican right)
There should be a penance for the crime. Or else the act will be seen as justified. Which is a slap in the face to all LEGAL immigrants. IF living here is worth it to them, then whatever penance is required should be gladly taken. I'm not talking about cutting a hand off. But it should be a sacrifice.
Just giving a pass to them is spitting on our citizens.
The rest of your suggestions were acceptable. Invading America should not be a akin to having a winning lottery ticket.
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Consuela, I need you to clean the very top shelf of that book case.
Again? Okay Meester GF? But I need a chair to stand on. I can't reach it.
I'll get it for you. And here, let me hold on to you so you'll stay steady and won't fall.
Ooooohh, Meester GF.....
please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.
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Oh please. That's just because you're scared your 23 year old "maid", Consuela Gonzales, might get deported and won't be able to "Cleen for Meester GF muy bueno ."
No but my Cuban FiL escaped persecution and came to this country illegally. He also learned the language, joined the army, became an American citizen and started and ran a successful business for 30+ years. He is more American and patriotic than a lot of motherfuckers I know.
**edit** He got political asylum so he was legal. However my point is that people from nothing should not always be turned away because of their situation.
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Not a big Yuengling fan, but could live with this.
Not a very popular place with the brothers.
My kinda place. I always liked country boys. They're sure as hell don't like you.
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Not a very popular place with the brothers.
My kinda place. I always liked country boys. They're sure as hell don't like you.
It's gonna take me at least two days to respond to this!
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please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.
Look, that was meant as a joke. GF is not part of any sexual fantasy I may or may not have.
His face is, though. Damn that face.
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That is a liberal misrepresentation. The American Indian was not CREATED on this continent. They migrated here, like most everyone else. Maybe the animals that were already here have a claim to the land....
I know where my people came from. They didn't sneak in.
But really all of that does not matter. If you are here illegally, you knew the risk. If you were born on this soil, you, by law, are now a citizen.
The ones here illegally who have enjoyed the fruits of legal citizens, have stolen from the citizens right of the pursuit of happiness. It is an American right, not a world right. (not a Mexican right)
There should be a penance for the crime. Or else the act will be seen as justified. Which is a slap in the face to all LEGAL immigrants. IF living here is worth it to them, then whatever penance is required should be gladly taken. I'm not talking about cutting a hand off. But it should be a sacrifice.
Just giving a pass to them is spitting on our citizens.
The rest of your suggestions were acceptable. Invading America should not be a akin to having a winning lottery ticket.
You are missing my point. I totally agree we need to stop the influx. But the current system is fucked.
My plan dealt with those that are here currently contributing, if it can be proven that since they have been on American soil they have been a productive, working member of our society, as nook said IMO they should be offered amnesty and issued some type of registration card.
Not contributing, fine you have a period of time to fix that or you are out.
Taking welfare? you have a time to fix that or you are out.
Break our laws, no second chances, you are gone.
Those that want to come here from this point forward must do it LEGALLY. The system needs to be redefined.
As you stated "Being born on this soil, makes you an American" to me this is a stupid concept, an illegal can have a child here and they are now an American Citizen this is a problem as well.
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You are missing my point. I totally agree we need to stop the influx. But the current system is fucked.
My plan dealt with those that are here currently contributing, if it can be proven that since they have been on American soil they have been a productive, working member of our society, as nook said IMO they should be offered amnesty and issued some type of registration card.
Not contributing, fine you have a period of time to fix that or you are out.
Taking welfare? you have a time to fix that or you are out.
Break our laws, no second chances, you are gone.
Those that want to come here from this point forward must do it LEGALLY. The system needs to be redefined.
As you stated "Being born on this soil, makes you an American" to me this is a stupid concept, an illegal can have a child here and they are now an American Citizen this is a problem as well.
No sexual fantasy involved here but, you complete me.
All of this post right above mine.^^^^^
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Right, he's threatening anyone who tries to challenge his authoritarian power.
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"authoritarian power"
Untwist your little panties nancy.
He's a businessman. He's used to making decisions and having them be done. It's not "authoritarian power" it's just how he knows to handle things. I'm not surprised, I completely completetly understand because that's the same world in which I exist. I've run my own company for nearly 15 years. I'm used to saying things and seeing them done. I'm used to being the final word. I'm used to people coming to me to make the decision. It makes my personal relationships occasionally difficult and, frankly, it colors some of my interactions here. I have to work to scale back the absolutes.
Prowler knows more than you do about this, how does that make you feel? As he already said, there is no due process. People's assets are being forfeited without being convicted, or even charged for crimes.
Between me, Prowler, and you, one of us doesn't understand what's actually being discussed and it's not who you think.
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You disappoint me.
Civil asset forfeiture has been going on for a long time. It's nothing new. Please show me all these poor innocent citizens who are having their property taken away forever. I haven't seen them.
If it's truly a major issue and you can provide compelling statistical evidence to support it? Then maybe it does bear some examination, but one pissing and moaning bitch in one state doesn't satisfy the requirement. Calling Trump out on it in that particular forum isn't the answer, either. There are appropriate ways to approach the topic. There are legal remedies and other means by which to seek redress.
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You are missing my point. I totally agree we need to stop the influx. But the current system is fucked.
As you stated "Being born on this soil, makes you an American" to me this is a stupid concept, an illegal can have a child here and they are now an American Citizen this is a problem as well.
Nuff said!
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Civil asset forfeiture has been going on for a long time. It's nothing new. Please show me all these poor innocent citizens who are having their property taken away forever. I haven't seen them.
If it's truly a major issue and you can provide compelling statistical evidence to support it? Then maybe it does bear some examination, but one pissing and moaning bitch in one state doesn't satisfy the requirement. Calling Trump out on it in that particular forum isn't the answer, either. There are appropriate ways to approach the topic. There are legal remedies and other means by which to seek redress.
Did you try?
https://youtu.be/KhAa2vep1z0
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/
The effort succeeded, but it had an impact that has been largely hidden from public view: the spread of an aggressive brand of policing that has spurred the seizure of hundreds of millions of dollars in cash from motorists and others not charged with crimes, a Washington Post investigation found. Thousands of people have been forced to fight legal battles that can last more than a year to get their money back.
This is from an offshoot of Cato Institute:
https://www.policemisconduct.net/explainers/civil-asset-forfeiture/
Civil asset forfeiture refers to a legal procedure by which the government is able to seize and ultimately forfeit (i.e. taken ownership of) the property of people suspected of wrongdoing – even when those people are never convicted of, or even charged with, a crime. Civil forfeiture should be distinguished from criminal asset forfeiture, by which the government is able to forfeit the property only after a person has been convicted of a crime in court.
Here's an anecdotal case, as you requested.
https://psmag.com/how-civil-forfeiture-laws-are-costing-innocent-people-their-homes-d13d288d94fb#.uwudwy9eq
But four years ago, something happened that imperiled Bing’s plans. In October 2009, police raided the house and charged her son, Andrew, then 24, with selling eight packets of crack cocaine to an undercover informant. (Upon entering the house, police reported finding unused packets, though not drugs, in a rear bedroom.) Rochelle Bing was not present and was not accused of a crime. Yet she soon received a frightening letter from the Philadelphia district attorney’s office. Because Andrew had sold the drugs from inside his mother’s house, a task force of law enforcement officials moved to seize Bing’s house. They filed a court claim, quickly approved, that gave Bing just 30 days to dissuade a judge from granting “a decree of forfeiture†that would give the DA’s office title to the property. Bing was devastated.
From the libtards over at TheBlaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/09/30/the-government-doesnt-need-to-charge-you-with-a-crime-to-seize-your-assets-and-property/
Did you know you don’t actually need to be charged with a crime for the government to seize your financial and property assets?
Under U.S. law, it can take only the suspicion of a crime to turn lives upside down and seize the property of innocent citizens.
The civil asset forfeiture law allows government agencies like the IRS or the Department of Justice to confiscate anyone’s property without obtaining criminal charges against them.
Wednesday’s new episode of TheBlaze TV’s For the Record, “Seized,†will reveal how thousands of people have become innocent victims of the government’s forfeiture law and what they are doing to fight back.
“This has a tremendous negative impact on our freedoms and the ability to carry on our government the way it’s been established according to the Constitution,†Walberg said. “That’s not what government should be, in the place of being a fearmonger, a producer of fear in the peoples’ lives and ultimately, using their power to extract resources for their own benefit.â€
Many many more anecdotes here:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken
and here
http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2014/09/12/time-for-civil-asset-forfeiture-laws-to-meet-the-same-fate-as-jim-crow/
Way better to loudly shout down everyone else as IDIOTS because you're all-knowing than to actually read this shit for yourself and knowing what the fuck you're actually talking about before talking down to others.
Now does it "bear some examination"? Lemme guess. No.
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Did you try?
https://youtu.be/KhAa2vep1z0
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/
This is from an offshoot of Cato Institute:
https://www.policemisconduct.net/explainers/civil-asset-forfeiture/
Here's an anecdotal case, as you requested.
https://psmag.com/how-civil-forfeiture-laws-are-costing-innocent-people-their-homes-d13d288d94fb#.uwudwy9eq
From the libtards over at TheBlaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/09/30/the-government-doesnt-need-to-charge-you-with-a-crime-to-seize-your-assets-and-property/
Many many more anecdotes here:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken
and here
http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2014/09/12/time-for-civil-asset-forfeiture-laws-to-meet-the-same-fate-as-jim-crow/
Way better to loudly shout down everyone else as IDIOTS because you're all-knowing than to actually read this shit for yourself and knowing what the fuck you're actually talking about before talking down to others.
Now does it "bear some examination"? Lemme guess. No.
Nope.
Not persuaded.
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and issued some type of registration card
I think the Germans did this as well.
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I think the Germans did this as well.
Yes as they were invading other countries they also made them wear pieces of flair. My plan is simple when we invade Mexico we won't have to issue registrations.
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Nope.
Not persuaded.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/00/47/ab/0047ab4053af78a3ae6e73dabda636d3.gif)
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/00/47/ab/0047ab4053af78a3ae6e73dabda636d3.gif)
Stop taking selfies.
FWIW? If it were such a terrible problem, the emperor had eight years to do something about it.
It's a little -- no a lot -- disengenuous and emotionally hysterical to freakshow because President Trump hasn't leaped in with his mighty sword pen and solved this to your satisfaction.
Further? Most of the examples of bitching and crying were from people who at best skirting the law. The poor little old lady whose son was using her home as the base for a drug operation? Don't tell me she didn't know.
You are incredibly naive when it comes to the "it wasn't me" layer of society.
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I think the Germans did this as well.
Where fdr got the idea from?
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It's gonna take me at least two days to respond to this!
I've reread his post 6 times and gotten 6 different things out of it.
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I didn't read anything that Chizzy posted in this thread, yet I know that he's wrong.
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I've reread his post 6 times and gotten 6 different things out of it.
It was a movie quote. And my response cleverly contained the title...
Although I have no idea why he was quoting a movie. And his first response was, well, a bit otherworldly.
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I've reread his post 6 times and gotten 6 different things out of it.
This meme looks like (to me) a brother drinking in a country bar. Made me think of this movie.
I know, spike the hate meter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzIRuIg288
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You know what I am? I'm your worst fuckin' nightmare, man. I'm a n***** with a badge which means I got permission to kick your fuckin' ass whenever I feel like it!
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Disagree with you here. Do you know how many systems would shut down if this were to happen. Forget for a moment how much manpower and time it would take. It sounds simple but people aren't going to pick their own oranges or strawberries (no disrespect or racism meant, it is what it is)...ie the world needs ditch diggers too.
I honestly think the solution is much easier. Those that are here already, have to register, listen you are here it's fine come in and get a registration (like a Social Security card). If you have been convicted of a criminal crime you are deported (no second chances). If you haven't been convicted of a crime you are now legal to work, doesn't mean you are a citizen.
You now get to work and have social security and taxes removed from your paycheck, just like the rest of us. You have to file your taxes too (which is another discussion, but I don't care if you pay $5 annually in taxes everyone should have to pay something). You now have 5 years (or 7 whatever) to continue to work, pay taxes and be an upstanding citizen. If in that time you do anything criminal or don't pay your taxes you are deported. If not you have a right to apply for US citizenship.
For those that want to come into this country, need to be screened including medical and the need to be on a probationary period. You can't obtain work in 90 days, you are gone. You have a pre-existing medical condition sorry but you cannot enter the US.
THIS is the answer. Deportation is a black hole that we've been throwing hard money at for a long damn time. It's what I never understood about the Obama bashers of immigration...we deported a fuck ton of people in the last 8 years.
Either way, the illegal immigrants here ARE paying taxes. Every single item they purchase in our economy is taxed. And while many of them are not properly taxed through employment, they do a lot of jobs we lazy ass Americans WILL NOT do. Remove every illegal from our country and OUR economy will crash. Homes will stop being built. Grocery stores will close in some communities. It will hurt. It's a much easier and profitable task to allow easier access to citizenship.
I'm catching up to the rest of the thread.
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Did you try?
https://youtu.be/KhAa2vep1z0
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/
This is from an offshoot of Cato Institute:
https://www.policemisconduct.net/explainers/civil-asset-forfeiture/
Here's an anecdotal case, as you requested.
https://psmag.com/how-civil-forfeiture-laws-are-costing-innocent-people-their-homes-d13d288d94fb#.uwudwy9eq
From the libtards over at TheBlaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/09/30/the-government-doesnt-need-to-charge-you-with-a-crime-to-seize-your-assets-and-property/
Many many more anecdotes here:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken
and here
http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2014/09/12/time-for-civil-asset-forfeiture-laws-to-meet-the-same-fate-as-jim-crow/
Way better to loudly shout down everyone else as IDIOTS because you're all-knowing than to actually read this shit for yourself and knowing what the fuck you're actually talking about before talking down to others.
Now does it "bear some examination"? Lemme guess. No.
(https://media.tenor.co/images/aeb5c1e1d94d758a10940a7526e98469/raw)
#SitDownKaos
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(https://media.tenor.co/images/aeb5c1e1d94d758a10940a7526e98469/raw)
#SitDownKaos
#yourmotherhasregrets
#shouldajustfinishedtheblowjob
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(https://media.tenor.co/images/aeb5c1e1d94d758a10940a7526e98469/raw)
Sadly. This is how we all picture prowler...
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Sadly. This is how we all picture prowler...
Not exactly. I see this every time:
(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/Animated-Cartoons-Animated-Gifs/Animated-Nickelodeon/Ren-Stimpy-Show/stimpy-26763.gif)
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#yourmotherhasregrets
#shouldajustfinishedtheblowjob
#YouShouldveBeenAborted
#ItWouldBeBestForYouToStopTalkingAboutMyMother
#YouDontTrulyKnowMe
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Ok lets all take a deep breath.
A. Please stop with the stupid fucking hash tags.
2. Please stop with the personal insults.
BOTH of you are running this section of the forum.
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Ok lets all take a deep breath.
A. Please stop with the stupid fucking hash tags.
2. Please stop with the personal insults.
BOTH of you are running this section of the forum.
I believe you mean "ruining"
Or perhaps you do mean running, because I've been running this bitch for days.
#runningman
Oh, wait...
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I believe you mean "ruining"
Or perhaps you do mean running, because I've been running this bitch for days.
#runningman
Oh, wait...
BOTH Ruining and running.
the hash tags were funny at first, now they are just stupid.
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BOTH Ruining and running.
the hash tags were funny at first, now they are just stupid.
I was told that everyone agreed I'm the one ruining civil discourse and that Kaos dindu nuffin.
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BOTH Ruining and running.
the hash tags were funny at first, now they are just stupid.
Coincidentally, that was the point of doing them. To illustrate that fact. Perhaps the sarcastic. mocking intent was lost in translation.
Some of them were pretty funny though.
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I was told that everyone agreed I'm the one ruining civil discourse and that Kaos dindu nuffin.
You started it. I'm telling mom.
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I was told that everyone agreed I'm the one ruining civil discourse and that Kaos dindu nuffin.
No, you're ruining civil asset forfeiture for all of us. Damn you!
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I was told that everyone agreed I'm the one ruining civil discourse and that Kaos dindu nuffin.
Neither of you. Just sayin.
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Neither of you. Just sayin.
Neither of us what?
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Neither of us what?
Are ruining civil discourse.
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Are ruining civil discourse.
If they take my discourse without due process, I'm going to tantrum up in here.
# .....
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Ok lets all take a deep breath.
A. Please stop with the stupid fucking hash tags.
2. Please stop with the personal insults.
BOTH of you are running this section of the forum.
I believe you mean "ruining"
Or perhaps you do mean running, because I've been running this bitch for days.
#runningman
Oh, wait...
#itaintjustme
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If they take my discourse without due process, I'm going to tantrum up in here.
# .....
Problem is I know you are doing it in jest, I don't know what Prowler is doing and it is no longer funny. It ran it's course we can all just mooooove on.
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If they take my discourse without due process, I'm going to tantrum up in here.
# .....
Not my hashtag. I'm blocking the freeway damnit.
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#itaintjustme
You ruin the whole forum not just this section.
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#itaintjustme
Hating Dallas is still allowed.
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Problem is I know you are doing it in jest, I don't know what Prowler is doing and it is no longer funny. It ran it's course we can all just mooooove on.
@Gotit2017
That's the last. Cross my fingers and spit in a cup.
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Coincidentally, that was the point of doing them. To illustrate that fact. Perhaps the sarcastic. mocking intent was lost in translation.
Some of them were pretty funny though.
ummm no. no. no.
i feel like bannon.
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#Gotit2017
That's the last. Cross my fingers and spit in a cup.
Fixed it for ya