What is fucked cannot be unfucked

The mess in 2012 was deeper and more widespread than most knew. And is probably the worst one we had in decades. That team had character issues outside of that locker room. It had work ethic issues inside of it. It was just a complete mess. Gus overachieved in 2013 with the same guys. Still not sure how he did it other than nick marshall being a key addition and leading the team. But this year. Jeremyâ€™s first year as starter. Or 2008. None of them remotely compare to the cluster of 2012.

Godfather · « **Reply #148 on:** September 19, 2018, 10:03:45 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on September 19, 2018, 09:37:14 AM

The mess in 2012 was deeper and more widespread than most knew. And is probably the worst one we had in decades. That team had character issues outside of that locker room. It had work ethic issues inside of it. It was just a complete mess. Gus overachieved in 2013 with the same guys. Still not sure how he did it other than nick marshall being a key addition and leading the team. But this year. Jeremyâ€™s first year as starter. Or 2008. None of them remotely compare to the cluster of 2012.

But we lined up our helmets perfect.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #149 on:** September 19, 2018, 03:03:28 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on September 19, 2018, 09:37:14 AM

The mess in 2012 was deeper and more widespread than most knew. And is probably the worst one we had in decades. That team had character issues outside of that locker room. It had work ethic issues inside of it. It was just a complete mess. Gus overachieved in 2013 with the same guys. Still not sure how he did it other than nick marshall being a key addition and leading the team. But this year. Jeremyâ€™s first year as starter. Or 2008. None of them remotely compare to the cluster of 2012.

Tre Mason and Nick Marshall was a hell of a combination. Plus, when a defense crashed the box, you could sling it to Sammy Coates and he would catch it 60% of the time.

Then, you just hope to get the ball one more time...

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #150 on:** September 19, 2018, 03:29:42 PM »

Paaawwwwwl, in 2013 them Barners was cheatin' just like they are now. And, they was the luckiest team in all of college football. They know'd that boy stepped out of bounds on that there Kick 6. Whutchu thank, Paaawwwl?

Godfather · « **Reply #151 on:** September 19, 2018, 03:35:21 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on September 19, 2018, 03:29:42 PM

Paaawwwwwl, in 2013 them Barners was cheatin' just like they are now. And, they was the luckiest team in all of college football. They know'd that boy stepped out of bounds on that there Kick 6. Whutchu thank, Paaawwwl?

Did you know that Gus is 22-21 since the Kick 6 against Power 5 teams

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #152 on:** September 19, 2018, 03:42:42 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 19, 2018, 03:35:21 PM

Did you know that Gus is 22-21 since the Kick 6 against Power 5 teams

Well, did you know there really is an oldest trick in the book?

GH2001 · « **Reply #153 on:** September 19, 2018, 03:48:12 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 19, 2018, 03:35:21 PM

Did you know that Gus is 22-21 since the Kick 6 against Power 5 teams

In todayâ€™s coaching ranks thatâ€™s probably above par. Maybe even top 20%. I think it also reflects us playing tougher out of conf p5 teams. More so than we used to. And the sec is also the sec.

AUTiger1 · « **Reply #154 on:** September 19, 2018, 04:18:04 PM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on September 19, 2018, 03:03:28 PM

Tre Mason and Nick Marshall was a hell of a combination. Plus, when a defense crashed the box, you could sling it to Sammy Coates and he would catch it 60% of the time.

Then, you just hope to get the ball one more time...

Don't forget that we had Prosch and Robinson leading the way for those two guys. We don't have that now and haven't had anything close to it since.

Edit: Thinking back on that....Dismukes, Young, Slade, GR and Kozan was one hell of a line. If we have that line today, this O would run like a top.

Godfather · « **Reply #155 on:** September 19, 2018, 04:24:57 PM »

Quote from: AUTiger1 on September 19, 2018, 04:18:04 PM

Don't forget that we had Prosch and Robinson leading the way for those two guys. We don't have that now and haven't had anything close to it since.

Edit: Thinking back on that....Dismukes, Young, Slade, GR and Kozan was one hell of a line. If we have that line today, this O would run like a top.

I'd trade out Slade for Braden Smith, if we are playing make-believe.

AUTiger1 · « **Reply #156 on:** September 19, 2018, 04:39:46 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 19, 2018, 04:24:57 PM

I'd trade out Slade for Braden Smith, if we are playing make-believe.

I would too. I was just looking at the 2013 OL. Smith was definitely better.

The Prowler · « **Reply #157 on:** September 19, 2018, 06:16:25 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on September 19, 2018, 08:13:45 AM

You defended Chizik for about four pages of this thread. Vehemently.

So......

Wrong. I stated that the OLine was one of the main problems on offense, back in 2012, and it was.

I did defense OC Loeffler for two posts, but more so as a QB Coach. I felt he was in over his head as a OC & QB Coach.

Like I said yesterday... Fix the OLine, fix most of the offensive's problems. When your RB is having to do a spin move as soon as he receives the handoff, and one lineman is looking back at the RB, because his man is blowing up the backfield, that's a major problem.

The Prowler · « **Reply #158 on:** September 19, 2018, 06:27:50 PM »

Quote from: AUTiger1 on September 19, 2018, 04:18:04 PM

Don't forget that we had Prosch and Robinson leading the way for those two guys. We don't have that now and haven't had anything close to it since.

Edit: Thinking back on that....Dismukes, Young, Slade, GR and Kozan was one hell of a line. If we have that line today, this O would run like a top.

I definitely agree. Slade did get better in his Senior season, but I would take Braden Smith over Slade all day long.

jmar · « **Reply #159 on:** September 19, 2018, 06:58:37 PM »

Agree for the most part with the conversation but the problem as I see it is with recruiting.

YES we have tremendous skill players but think back to what was returning on the offensive line after Cam left for the NFL.
And beyond that if you recall, we soon found out that we sucked at linebacker and defensive tackle.

Now we have the same situation occurring again where we lack a push in the run game, especially creating seams for longer gains that extend drives.

I honestly believe Gus alternately cheats position groups in order to stockpile offensive skill players, mostly wide receivers.
It can work HOWEVER if there are injuries, transfers or kids leaving that just exacerbates the problem.

Interested in knowing what the rest of you think because I say it's the main reason we lack overall consistency as a team.