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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on September 13, 2009, 01:17:04 AM
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I had fun tonight.
I love Auburn and have nothing but respect for Tuberville. It dawned on me tonight, though, how long it has been since a game was just plain old fun. We won before -- and the 2007 LSU game nearly made me pass out -- but winning was too often like taking a really constipated shit. It was a strain. The offense for many years was just, well, dull maybe. It won, but...
That said? If that motherfucking Chris Todd doesn't stop throwing off his back foot and falling backward as he does it -- even when there is zero pressure -- I am going to find him and punch him repeatedly in the nuts with a hammer. That will get us killed down the road.
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I had fun tonight.
I love Auburn and have nothing but respect for Tuberville. It dawned on me tonight, though, how long it has been since a game was just plain old fun. We won before -- and the 2007 LSU game nearly made me pass out -- but winning was too often like taking a really constipated shit. It was a strain. The offense for many years was just, well, dull maybe. It won, but...
That said? If that motherfucking Chris Todd doesn't stop throwing off his back foot and falling backward as he does it -- even when there is zero pressure -- I am going to find him and punch him repeatedly in the nuts with a hammer. That will get us killed down the road.
49 points? You my friend are an ass hole
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49 points. So what?
Todd started throwing off his back foot and fading backward. Because of that he missed several passes he should have hit.
I'm happy with the output. We ran like hell on them. I just hope they will get him to step into the throws so he doesn't get us killed down the road.
You can suck it. Hard.
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He also hit two damn good asses for critical first downs that were dropped by Darvin. Catch those and we don't need the back foot throws. He also threw one off of his back foot with pressure that was a beautiful pass for a first down. I guess that lame duck Kodi threw to Lutz really gave you wood?
Right now, Todd is running this offense about as good as it can be run. He is not supposed to carry the team like they dumped on him last season, just manage it. And that he is doing very well. The more experience we get, the better the passes will be. We keep forgetting he has only had a few weeks passing to what seems like 15 different WRs. As they pin down the core, everyone will get better. And if we can continue to have multiple 100 yard games on the ground, it will be hard to give games away. Watch the game again, he didn't throw off his back foot that much.
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I had fun tonight.
I love Auburn and have nothing but respect for Tuberville. It dawned on me tonight, though, how long it has been since a game was just plain old fun. We won before -- and the 2007 LSU game nearly made me pass out -- but winning was too often like taking a really constipated shit. It was a strain. The offense for many years was just, well, dull maybe. It won, but...
That said? If that motherfucking Chris Todd doesn't stop throwing off his back foot and falling backward as he does it -- even when there is zero pressure -- I am going to find him and punch him repeatedly in the nuts with a hammer. That will get us killed down the road.
I agree 100%.
Todd will fuck us when we play someone with a half-decent secondary. He throws late and behind the receiver.
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49 points. So what?
Todd started throwing off his back foot and fading backward. Because of that he missed several passes he should have hit.
I'm happy with the output. We ran like hell on them. I just hope they will get him to step into the throws so he doesn't get us killed down the road.
You can suck it. Hard.
Jacobs sucks, Chizik Sucks. Do I need to say more? You and weasel are looking like ass holes! Keep trying to spin your negativity
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That was the most fun I've had at an Auburn game in a long time.
I just don't want to see Todd slide back into old bad habits. He made some nice throws. Adams
dropped a couple of drive killer passes, agreed.
But i was 20 yards or less from Todd the whole night. I know what i saw. I also know I heard him get chewed on for throwing off balance unnecessarily when he short armed what should have been a simple completion. I don't need to watch the game again.
As for Kodi? He ran well. His throw
was comical. Effective and a good playcall but comical
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He also hit two damn good asses for critical first downs that were dropped by Darvin. Catch those and we don't need the back foot throws. He also threw one off of his back foot with pressure that was a beautiful pass for a first down. I guess that lame duck Kodi threw to Lutz really gave you wood?
Right now, Todd is running this offense about as good as it can be run. He is not supposed to carry the team like they dumped on him last season, just manage it. And that he is doing very well. The more experience we get, the better the passes will be. We keep forgetting he has only had a few weeks passing to what seems like 15 different WRs. As they pin down the core, everyone will get better. And if we can continue to have multiple 100 yard games on the ground, it will be hard to give games away. Watch the game again, he didn't throw off his back foot that much.
I never made it past this, laughed my ass off.
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Jacobs sucks, Chizik Sucks. Do I need to say more?
yeah. You do. You're not keeping up.
Go fuck yourself.
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I never made it past this, laughed my ass off.
Kaos and Weasel are Pissed that AU is winning
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yeah. You do. You're not keeping up.
Go fuck yourself.
If you don't normally read Kaos's posts, read this.
He's spot on. The offense was (relatively) good, the defense was (periodically) spectacular, and we won an SEC game fairly handily (which we haven't done in a while).
It was a fun game, but Todd is still very troublesome. Luckily, it's starting to look like the rest of the SEC might cut us some slack this year.
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yeah. You do. You're not keeping up.
Go fuck yourself.
Actually no, Go FUCK YOURSELF. The train wreck you predicted has not come to pass. You can kiss all our asses
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Go to bed you drunk fuck before you embarass yourself any more.
And try to keep up.
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Kaos and Weasel are Pissed that AU is winning
you're a fucking moron if you believe this. Can you even read? Did
you maybe miss about 1000 words of positive feedback after game one? Or maybe where
i predicted the ass beating that just took place?
Christ. I expected stupid shit like this from some of the dumbasses but you've set new lows for yourself
here.
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you're a fucking moron if you believe this. Can you even read? Did
you maybe miss about 1000 words of positive feedback after game one? Or maybe where
i predicted the ass beating that just took place?
Christ. I expected stupid shit like this from some of the dumbasses but you've set new lows for yourself
here.
Coming from Mr negativity, I thought you wanted Chizik and Jacobs to be 0-2. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.
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By the way, Chizik is now 7-19
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Fucking ridiculous.
I was happier tonight over the overall outcome of a game -- and not just on the scoreboard
but in other things I saw on the sidelines -- than I've been in a long time.
Yeah, Todd scares me because he's still got some dangerous habits.
We didn't play nearly as well as we could and still
throttled the shit out of a team that's given us fits
the last few years.
I am fucking encouraged. And I'll be DAMNED if i'm going to let some prissy fuck put a damper on that.
Yes, I realize it's just MSU and that La. Tech is apparently not
very good (Navy whipped their ass too). But it's not so much that we won but the way in which we did that is encouraging.
So if you want to piss and moan and try to score points? Eat a turd, fuckers!
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Fuck dude.
I don't want Auburn to fail. Ever.
I still think Jacobs is a fail waiting to happen. I won't ever like
him.
But I'm happy right now. We've done about as well
as can be expected to this point.
Too early to pass judgent on Chizik, but i am definitely encouraged by what I saw tonight up
close.
Will write it all tomorrow.
War Eagle. It's great to have fun again.
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Fucking ridiculous.
I was happier tonight over the overall outcome of a game -- and not just on the scoreboard
but in other things I saw on the sidelines -- than I've been in a long time.
Yeah, Todd scares me because he's still got some dangerous habits.
We didn't play nearly as well as we could and still
throttled the shit out of a team that's given us fits
the last few years.
I am fucking encouraged. And I'll be DAMNED if i'm going to let some prissy fuck put a damper on that.
Yes, I realize it's just MSU and that La. Tech is apparently not
very good (Navy whipped their ass too). But it's not so much that we won but the way in which we did that is encouraging.
So if you want to piss and moan and try to score points? Eat a turd, fuckers!
I agree, Todd did throw off his backfoot at times, when it wasn't necessary...but of those times a few of the passes should've been caught. Those are things that can be corrected.
Also, there was times when Todd didn't throw off his back foot, even when MSU was blitzing 7, with only 6 blockers only to have the ball bounce off the WR's shoulder pads. Darvin Adams is becoming a freakin' playmaker right before our eyes.
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Fucking ridiculous.
I was happier tonight over the overall outcome of a game -- and not just on the scoreboard
but in other things I saw on the sidelines -- than I've been in a long time.
Yeah, Todd scares me because he's still got some dangerous habits.
We didn't play nearly as well as we could and still
throttled the shit out of a team that's given us fits
the last few years.
I am fucking encouraged. And I'll be DAMNED if i'm going to let some prissy fuck put a damper on that.
Yes, I realize it's just MSU and that La. Tech is apparently not
very good (Navy whipped their ass too). But it's not so much that we won but the way in which we did that is encouraging.
So if you want to piss and moan and try to score points? Eat a turd, fuckers!
Kaos, you are the one that always goes negative. How about just saying we kicked the shit out of an SEC opponent. There is no need in slamming Todd, there is no way a QB will ever be perfect, yet he made some pretty damn good throws ( a few that were dropped) and led the team to almpst 50 points. What the hell so want from the first 2 games?
I'm sorry that he Jacobs/Chizik experiment has not given you a sense of self worth from your early predictions, but hey, bite the bullet and admit that you may have been slightly wrong
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Way too early for that kind of declaration.
But I am encouraged.
I wasn't the only one slamming Todd. He got ripped on the sidelines for doing it. And he still didn't quit.
I liked how things went tonight. If that is to continue he is going to have to seriously work on that. One of the things that impressed me most last week was seeing him step into throws. That's why it pissed me off tonight to see him revert. If he corrects that we could have posted 60 points and 600 yards. That's really encouraging considering where we were a year ago.
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Way too early for that kind of declaration.
But I am encouraged.
I wasn't the only one slamming Todd. He got ripped on the sidelines for doing it. And he still didn't quit.
I liked how things went tonight. If that is to continue he is going to have to seriously work on that. One of the things that impressed me most last week was seeing him step into throws. That's why it pissed me off tonight to see him revert. If he corrects that we could have posted 60 points and 600 yards. That's really encouraging considering where we were a year ago.
The only declaration that you can make after 2 weeks is as follows:
Your naive, negative, predetermined evalaluation of our new head coach might have been a little premature. Sorry to call you out, but you and the "greaseys" of the world are looking pretty bad right now
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But I am encouraged.
I wasn't the only one slamming Todd. He got ripped on the sidelines for doing it. And he still didn't quit.
I liked how things went tonight. If that is to continue he is going to have to seriously work on that. One of the things that impressed me most last week was seeing him step into throws. That's why it pissed me off tonight to see him revert. If he corrects that we could have posted 60 points and 600 yards. That's really encouraging considering where we were a year ago.
Like I stated before, that should be something that's correctable.
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It's two games, dude. Two games.
Two good games, yeah. But still two games. Gene Stallings lost his first three. Looked bad doing it. How'd he turn out? Terry Bowden won his first 20.
Give it time. If i'm wrong? I'm happy to be there. But you can't call the game after two at-bats.
I predicted the premature celebratory laps too. Didn't figure you'd be the one running them.
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It's two games, dude. Two games.
Two good games, yeah. But still two games. Gene Stallings lost his first three. Looked bad doing it. How'd he turn out? Terry Bowden won his first 20.
Give it time. If i'm wrong? I'm happy to be there. But you can't call the game after two at-bats.
I predicted the premature celebratory laps too. Didn't figure you'd be the one running them.
Looking a fool. There comes a time where you have to admit you might be wrong.
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Like I stated before, that should be something that's correctable.
Thats kinda the point.
What I saw last year WASN'T fixable in practice.
Still don't thnk Kodi is fixable as a QB, despite his declared intention tonight to go back to being a QB next year.
But I do think Todds can. It needs to be.
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Looking a fool
yes, yes you are tonight. Drunk posting is a bad idea.
That time certainly isn't now. It may come. But it hasn't yet.
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yes, yes you are tonight. Drunk posting is a bad idea.
Sad when your worst case Chizik/jacobs nightmares don't come true.
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Sad when your worst case Chizik/jacobs nightmares don't come true.
Not for me.
I'm perfectly happy. You are the one with a problem.
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Wow this thread is a instant classic. Todd needs to follow through on his passes and Chizik rocks!
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I noted the back foot thing in a post last week. I also noted I was impressed with the Freshman RB, and that didn't change this week either. Tate is good, but the freshman is going to be a great one.
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I noted the back foot thing in a post last week. I also noted I was impressed with the Freshman RB, and that didn't change this week either. Tate is good, but the freshman is going to be a great one.
Agreed. A positive on the QB situation, isn't that he was shaky last night, but rather that for the first time in a while, I feel like he might actually get some coaching to work on it. Haven't seen a lot of roll outs yet. Lots of motion with the backs and pocket passes. Very few screens.
I'm wondering if that's something we'll see to help Todd out. Plays that keep the pressure off the QB, or plays that at least mix it up so you're not so vulnerable to the pass rush. We shall see.
McCalebb is fun. That 48 yard run was one of the fastest and smoothest runs I'd seen in a while! Especially from someone wearing orange and blue!
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Agreed. A positive on the QB situation, isn't that he was shaky last night, but rather that for the first time in a while, I feel like he might actually get some coaching to work on it. Haven't seen a lot of roll outs yet. Lots of motion with the backs and pocket passes. Very few screens.
I'm wondering if that's something we'll see to help Todd out. Plays that keep the pressure off the QB, or plays that at least mix it up so you're not so vulnerable to the pass rush. We shall see.
McCalebb is fun. That 48 yard run was one of the fastest and smoothest runs I'd seen in a while! Especially from someone wearing orange and blue!
Yep, we seemed to be on a lot of teams' highlite reels last year. We've already got a seasons worth compared to last year.
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Yep, we seemed to be on a lot of teams' highlite reels last year. We've already got a seasons worth compared to last year.
Todd got yanked around on the sidelines last night because he was making those ridiculous fall-away basketball shot throws.
It took the zip off the ball and is going to get his receivers killed. I may be crossed up, but his poor mechanics caused a floater that got Adams hurt I think.
What concerns me is that the barking he took over doing it didn't seem to sink in at the time because he was right back at it the next time out.
10 - 23 won't do the job against a better team. I hope he does work on it. It wasn't nearly as bad against La. Tech. And I will be honest, his mechanics were so bad last year that I do pay them much more attention than I probably would normally.
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I don't know if MSU is going to be just that bad again this year, or if y'all are going to be just that good this season. But anytime you can beat the shit out of an SEC opponent like AU did with MSU, you take it. If Todd can't get his shit together, and AU plays a team that can stop or remotely contain the run, there might be some issues. Relative to the first two games of the season though, you can't really argue with the results.
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I don't know if MSU is going to be just that bad again this year, or if y'all are going to be just that good this season. But anytime you can beat the poop out of an SEC opponent like AU did with MSU, you take it. If Todd can't get his poop together, and AU plays a team that can stop or remotely contain the run, there might be some issues. Relative to the first two games of the season though, you can't really argue with the results.
I don't think State is going to be that bad. I don't like Lee at quarterback and I think they'll gradually move more and more to Relf -- if, like Burns, he can figure out how to make decent throws. He's got a ton of upside.
State isn't going to win eight or nine games, but they'll make some folks uncomfortable down the stretch.
I really think they're going to get better and better under Mullen -- as long as he can figure out some legal way to recruit there.
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What scared me more than the few floaters Todd put out there were the two passes that Neil Caudle threw. Both were freaking wounded ducks that will either get picked or get your WR hurt. Here's hoping Todd learns his lesson and stays healthy this season.
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What scared me more than the few floaters Todd put out there were the two passes that Neil Caudle threw. Both were freaking wounded ducks that will either get picked or get your WR hurt. Here's hoping Todd learns his lesson and stays healthy this season.
Kodi said without hesitation that he's happy with his role and wants to help the team as a receiver or whatever THIS YEAR, with the stated intention of moving back to quarterback in the off season.
He's got a long way to go.
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I agree with all that was said. Game was fantastic, 2 games in a row that I havent had to sit on the edge of my coach with a stomach ache drinking myself into oblivion worried whether we will win. Now I just got to drink myself into oblivion and enjoy the game.
On the subject of Todd, those who think that he didn't have some issues need to go back and rewatch the game. I think the kid is doing a great job, and he is light years ahead of last year, but his mechanics definetly need tweaking. I have two examples since no one else has cited anything. First half of the game T. Zach had the CB from Miss. St. beat by at least 3 lengths, if Todd doesnt throw of his back foot and throws towards the sideline TD AUUUUUBURN, instead he short armed it and a decent CB would have picked the ball. Second example, in the second half Todd throws a ball way up in the air, So much so, that if you watch the game, I was half waitng for the Miss. St. CB to wave his arm for a fair catch. If the CB would not have been a 5-11 white guy he might have had a chance, but again T. Zach slipped it into another gear and went up and got the ball, BEAUTIFUL PLAY.....by T. Zach.
Are we nitpicking probably so, but those of you declaring Auburn SEC champs need to slow your roll a-bit. Chizik and Malzahn have done a bang up job, but we still have to play some tough teams, teams that are a heck of a lot better than La. Tech and Miss. St. lets just try to keep things in perspective.
War Eagle!!!!
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Kodi said without hesitation that he's happy with his role and wants to help the team as a receiver or whatever THIS YEAR, with the stated intention of moving back to quarterback in the off season.
He's got a long way to go.
We can only hope that Rollison and/or Trotter will step up in the Spring.
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I agree with all that was said. Game was fantastic, 2 games in a row that I havent had to sit on the edge of my coach with a stomach ache drinking myself into oblivion worried whether we will win. Now I just got to drink myself into oblivion and enjoy the game.
On the subject of Todd, those who think that he didn't have some issues need to go back and rewatch the game. I think the kid is doing a great job, and he is light years ahead of last year, but his mechanics definetly need tweaking. I have two examples since no one else has cited anything. First half of the game T. Zach had the CB from Miss. St. beat by at least 3 lengths, if Todd doesnt throw of his back foot and throws towards the sideline TD AUUUUUBURN, instead he short armed it and a decent CB would have picked the ball. Second example, in the second half Todd throws a ball way up in the air, So much so, that if you watch the game, I was half waitng for the Miss. St. CB to wave his arm for a fair catch. If the CB would not have been a 5-11 white guy he might have had a chance, but again T. Zach slipped it into another gear and went up and got the ball, BEAUTIFUL PLAY.....by T. Zach.
Are we nitpicking probably so, but those of you declaring Auburn SEC champs need to slow your roll a-bit. Chizik and Malzahn have done a bang up job, but we still have to play some tough teams, teams that are a heck of a lot better than La. Tech and Miss. St. lets just try to keep things in perspective.
War Eagle!!!!
The first play you referenced was the one that got him barked at if I'm not mistaken.
But as I noted before the dinosaur crowd started shitting themselves blind because I had a valid criticism, the barking did not alter his behavior. He continued to do the same thing on virtually every throw.
I have not seen the replay yet so I'm going from memory, but I'm pretty certain that the back foot, falling backward behaviors did not begin until after he was pressured the first time. Maybe he's just scared to get hit.
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The first play you referenced was the one that got him barked at if I'm not mistaken.
But as I noted before the dinosaur crowd started poopting themselves blind because I had a valid criticism, the barking did not alter his behavior. He continued to do the same thing on virtually every throw.
I have not seen the replay yet so I'm going from memory, but I'm pretty certain that the back foot, falling backward behaviors did not begin until after he was pressured the first time. Maybe he's just scared to get hit.
I was making myself a plate of BBQ and my wife mentioned something about Todd acts like he is scared to take a hit, I didn't bother rewinding it and checking it out. She said he threw a shitty screen pass and then tucked tail like he was going to get hit....Can anyone else verify it?
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First half of the game T. Zach had the CB from Miss. St. beat by at least 3 lengths, if Todd doesnt throw of his back foot and throws towards the sideline TD AUUUUUBURN, instead he short armed it and a decent CB would have picked the ball.
3 lengths? Seriously? T. Zach maybe favored to win the triple crown next year....
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3 lengths? Seriously? T. Zach maybe favored to win the triple crown next year....
depends upon your interpretation of a length...my cock is 7 lengths long.
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I was making myself a plate of BBQ and my wife mentioned something about Todd acts like he is scared to take a hit, I didn't bother rewinding it and checking it out. She said he threw a shitty screen pass and then tucked tail like he was going to get hit....Can anyone else verify it?
I can't remember what game the clip was from in '08, but I remember one play where a DL was literally 3 yards or so away from Todd, and he went ahead and folded up with the ball and waited for the DL to hit him. I mean, he was nearly in a standing fetal position and stood there and waited to get nailed. I was like wtf?
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I can't remember what game the clip was from in '08, but I remember one play where a DL was literally 3 yards or so away from Todd, and he went ahead and folded up with the ball and waited for the DL to hit him. I mean, he was nearly in a standing fetal position and stood there and waited to get nailed. I was like wtf?
It was a different situation last year, and obviously he had watched the "Brodie Croyle" portion of the Franklin Offensive Package.
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Don't want to get too nitpicky or take the fun out of a win. Because it was fun. Seriously fun.
But there are the nagging alarms set off by Todd's very weak performance. He did miss open receivers. Granted, ALL quarterbacks do so that's not what bothers me. It was just his physical mechanics.
The ball Zachery caught? I thought it was a punt when I looked up. The MSU defender was standing stock still just waiting for it to come down. Nobody saw Zachery coming up out of nowhere to make that grab. Nine times out of ten that's an interception.
Todd also threw the ball at the feet of receivers on the swing passes. Either that or over their heads. The over their head throws are DIRECTLY attributable to his poor mechanics. No other reason.
On the flip side, he looks much better than he did last year. If he can maintain his composure when he starts getting hit that will be good.
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I can't remember what game the clip was from in '08, but I remember one play where a DL was literally 3 yards or so away from Todd, and he went ahead and folded up with the ball and waited for the DL to hit him. I mean, he was nearly in a standing fetal position and stood there and waited to get nailed. I was like wtf?
Your thinking of Brodie Croyle from 2005!
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It was a different situation last year, and obviously he had watched the "Brodie Croyle" portion of the Franklin Offensive Package.
I hate to break it to you, but a DL bearing down on you from 3-4 yards out is a situation you will face in any offense on any team anywhere in this country. Even some parts of Europe.
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I hate to break it to you, but a DL bearing down on you from 3-4 yards out is a situation you will face in any offense on any team anywhere in this country. Even some parts of Europe.
Okay, I get it. Brodie Croyle '05 = France. Gotcha.
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Your thinking of Brodie Croyle from 2005!
Usually he never even had the opportunity to assume the position.
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Ok, so we've determined that Todd is a pussy. Next on the agenda is,
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Ok, so we've determined that Todd is a pussy. Next on the agenda is,
Mario Fannin's mangina, discuss
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Mario Fannin's mangina, discuss
intimate knowledge?
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The ball Zachery caught? I thought it was a punt when I looked up. The MSU defender was standing stock still just waiting for it to come down. Nobody saw Zachery coming up out of nowhere to make that grab. Nine times out of ten that's an interception.
Right after that pass, I said to the guy sitting next to me "if he keeps throwing off his back foot, Eric Berry is going to have 6 picks against us".
Like you, I thought the game was a blast, my first since Stephen Davis was carrying the ball, and I'm ecstatic that we scored 7 TDs in one game, considering we scored 7 all of last year (in SEC games).
But none of that excitement changes the fact that Todd has a couple things to overcome or it could get ugly in certain games. Better than last year, absolutely, but those under-thrown deep balls (or "punts" as you correctly described them) are going to be a big deal when everything is on the line in a 31-28 dog-fight game.
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Mario Fannin's mangina, discuss
Mario has a downstairs mix up?
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Right after that pass, I said to the guy sitting next to me "if he keeps throwing off his back foot, Eric Berry is going to have 6 picks against us".
Like you, I thought the game was a blast, my first since Stephen Davis was carrying the ball, and I'm ecstatic that we scored 7 TDs in one game, considering we scored 7 all of last year (in SEC games).
But none of that excitement changes the fact that Todd has a couple things to overcome or it could get ugly in certain games. Better than last year, absolutely, but those under-thrown deep balls (or "punts" as you correctly described them) are going to be a big deal when everything is on the line in a 31-28 dog-fight game.
Congratulations on an astute first post.
Gentlemen? Is the welcoming committee prepared?
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Right after that pass, I said to the guy sitting next to me "if he keeps throwing off his back foot, Eric Berry is going to have 6 picks against us".
Like you, I thought the game was a blast, my first since Stephen Davis was carrying the ball, and I'm ecstatic that we scored 7 TDs in one game, considering we scored 7 all of last year (in SEC games).
But none of that excitement changes the fact that Todd has a couple things to overcome or it could get ugly in certain games. Better than last year, absolutely, but those under-thrown deep balls (or "punts" as you correctly described them) are going to be a big deal when everything is on the line in a 31-28 dog-fight game.
Welcome to the X, post often. Now take you dog to Jumbo for proper fisting!
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Can I get the welcoming party too!?
I had a lot of fun at the game also. Like Kaos, I was not chewing my fingernails down to blood or falling asleep with a "W". I didnt really notice Todd throwing off the back foot, I was not close enough, but I will check that out when I watch the re-play. I did notice the near 400 yards rushing and I also noticed there were more Sheriffs at the game this year. Poor MSU women was saved because I wanted to smash the freakin cow bell over head.
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Can I get the welcoming party too!?
Wow, I've never seen somebody actually beg for it. Wench might want to ask this guy some questions.
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Wow, I've never seen somebody actually beg for it. Wench might want to ask this guy some questions.
I think she is more into ones begging for release.
Welcome djsimp41.
Now beat feet to the fridge and get me a beer.
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Welcome to the X, post often. Now take you dog to Jumbo for proper fisting!
I've heard of this....should I be frightened?....it doesn't sound pleasant, for my dog or Jumbo.
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I've heard of this....should I be frightened?....it doesn't sound pleasant, for my dog or Jumbo.
Don't be fooled, Jumbo takes pleasure in fisting.
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it doesn't sound pleasant, for my dog or Jumbo.
Actually, Jumbo loves it, and your dog will too!
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I've heard of this....should I be frightened?....it doesn't sound pleasant, for my dog or Jumbo.
Its not as bad as it sounds JA....just tell fido to relax....
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I think she is more into ones begging for release.
Welcome djsimp41.
Now beat feet to the fridge and get me a beer.
She? Not a chance. Gots me a she but she aint fond of fetching, unless I.......well anyway. Appreciate the welcome.
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Wow, I've never seen somebody actually beg for it. Wench might want to ask this guy some questions.
:fu: :cage:
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Welcome. Post often. Prayers sent. Have a lovelly day. ONE game at a time.
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:fu: :cage:
I love you too, my little cock goblin.
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I love you too, my little cock goblin.
You got over War Eagle pretty fast! Whore!
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I love you too, my little cock goblin.
So thats how you cousins do it over in Tuscalooser? Didnt take much for you to be offering. Dem pigs and donkeys must not be in heat.
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She? Not a chance. Gots me a she but she aint fond of fetching, unless I.......well anyway. Appreciate the welcome.
If you can't read, then you might struggle here.
Sani was referencing the Wench in the prior post.
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So thats how you cousins do it over in Tuscalooser? Didnt take much for you to be offering. Dem pigs and donkeys must not be in heat.
Well, I don't have a sister, and my cousin IS 18, so what the fuck was I supposed to do?
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Well, I don't have a sister, and my cousin IS 18, so what the fuck was I supposed to do?
WWBBD?
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WWBBD?
Get a fif of Evan Williams.
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Well, I don't have a sister, and my cousin IS 18, so what the phuk was I supposed to do?
Good call. The cows aren't really a challenge anyway. Besides, that would make too much like a dem tippers in Starkville.
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WWBBD?
WWTTD?
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WWTTD?
Sell catfish.
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Sell catfish.
You are a generation or three behind, sweetie...
WWTTD? Strike a Heisman pose with a baby... while walking on water... and quenching the thirst of ten thousand orphans with the sweat from his brow.
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You are a generation or three behind, sweetie...
WWTTD? Strike a Heisman pose with a baby... while walking on water... and quenching the thirst of ten thousand orphans with the sweat from his brow.
Now that is deep. Im gonna have to get my history book.
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Now that is deep. Im gonna have to get my history book.
I reference Tuberville when everyone else was referenced he who is powered by Filipino foreskin.
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I reference Tuberville when everyone else was referenced he who is powered by Filipino foreskin.
I know, hon, but that is like sooooo last year... just trying to keep you as hip as that sweet young thing on your arm...
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WWTTD?
Chest bump some damn linemen
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You are a generation or three behind, sweetie...
WWTTD? Strike a Heisman pose with a baby... while walking on water... and quenching the thirst of ten thousand orphans with the sweat from his brow.
...and all of this will be shown on a big screen at Leavenworth while inmates break down in tears.
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WWTTD?
Last be seen limping around with an ice pack on his knee while his understudy catches a touchdown pass from Kodi Burns.
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WWTTD?
Tell his players to take a seat, somewhere in North Alabama.
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WWTTD?
Colorize some more 1920's movies.
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Last be seen limping around with an ice pack on his knee while his understudy catches a touchdown pass from Kodi Burns.
Nice!
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WWTTD?
He would say "God Bless Us, Every One." after we beat Alabama. And wink at Saban (Scrooge).
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He would say "God Bless Us, Every One." after we beat Alabama. And wink at Saban (Scrooge).
I thought he would play the ukulele and sing falsetto.
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WWTTD?
Sing Muskrat Love with The Captain.
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WWTTD?
He'd tell you to find a quarter and call someone who cares.
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WWTTD?
Stand by her man.
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WWTTD?
Call 867-5309
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WWTTD?
Host Tool Time.
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WWTTD?
Ask for a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
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WWTTD?
Tell Zack and Slater to stop picking on poor Screech and to re-tight roll their Z-Cavaricci's.
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WWTTD?
Lose by a half century to the Florida Gators.
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WWTTD?
Eat some more Frosted Flakes
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WWTTD?
Be served at the finer roadhouses in lieu of rolls.
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WWTTD?
Come bubbling up out of the ground when a hillybilly shoots at some food.
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Come bubbling up out of the ground when a hillybilly shoots at some food.
You're on a roll.
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WWTTD?
Lose to the Steelers in the NFL's opener.
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WWTTD?
Provide a launching pad for Freddy Fender's career.
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WWTTD?
Tackle people who don't follow the office rules.
"Take the last cup of Joe, you make some mo!"
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Eat some more Golden Flakes
You lost me on this one...
Frosted Flakes, perhaps?
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You lost me on this one...
Frosted Flakes, perhaps?
Good ole Tommy Tuberville, the originator of the current trend.
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You lost me on this one...
Frosted Flakes, perhaps?
Um, yeah...I must have had something else on the brain.
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Get choked by Shawne Merriman.
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Tackle people who don't follow the office rules.
"Take the last cup of Joe, you make some mo!"
beat me to it, bastard
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Good ole Tommy Tuberville, the originator of the current trend.
Ehhhhh, that is a recycle.
This is not a green thread.
In fact, I demand that for every post in this thread, a spotted owl must be killed.
Or maybe a chipmunk. Those little frickers will tear up a yard in no time.
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WWTTD?
Lock a thread on aunation.net.
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Lock a thread on aunation.net.
FTW
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WWTTD?
Hold me now.
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Hold me now.
Come here my little Snuggie.....
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Lock a thread on aunation.net.
WHOOMP, there it is.
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Lock a thread on aunation.net.
Glad to see this thread has brought Pale Rider out of hibernation.
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WWTTD?
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Turn the snow yellow.
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Pale Rider is known for his vast base of knowledge.
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Pale Rider is known for his vast base of knowledge.
Damn you Rider. You told me it was a shaft of knowledge. Otherwise I never would have... oh, forget it. Just forget it.
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Ask for a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
Sorry, honey, R-E-S-P-E-C-T was made famous by Aretha Frankin.
But TT could have pumped a lot of pane down in New Orleans...
Or done some private dancing...
Or been at Thunderdome...
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Sorry, honey, R-E-S-P-E-C-T was made famous by Aretha Frankin.
But TT could have pumped a lot of pane tane down in New Orleans...
Or done some private dancing...
Or been at Thunderdome...
Tane is Octane/Gasoline
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Tane is Octane/Gasoline
If you do much pumping in NO you probably got shit on your stick.
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Tane is Octane/Gasoline
We have already had this discussion. It is just as likely to be PROPANE from the docks in New Orleans. None of the usual internet sources are clear on this. Further, there is also the double entendre of "Pane/pain" meaning that he workes really hard, to the point of misery.
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We have already had this discussion. It is just as likely to be PROPANE from the docks in New Orleans. None of the usual internet sources are clear on this. Further, there is also the double entendre of "Pane/pain" meaning that he workes really hard, to the point of misery.
Just so you know, I called the number in your avatar. This lady wanted my credit card number.
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Not to belabor the original point, but....
I went back and watched the replay on SECSports.com
Only watched the first half. Here's the breakdown:
Todd threw 18 passes (that means he only threw four in the second half?)
Of the 18, a total of 13 were thrown off balance or without turning his shoulders or falling backward.
Only two of the passes were executed with proper mechanics and stepping into the ball. Both were picture perfect strikes to receivers in stride. Both covered 20-plus yards.
Of the 13 throws with poor mechanics? Four were overthrown. Two were short-armed and underthrown. One was dropped. Another was catchable, but the throw should have been on target and the catch wouldn't have been a circus catch.
The most egregious? Last drive of the first half, first play. He flinched away from a defender who was still a good three yards away. He had time to step up, take the hit and make a throw to a wide open back out of the backfield. He did not.
Three other overthrows were complete, all exposed the receiver to injury by stretching him out.
Laugh and mock if you want. If the game comes down to Todd winning it... I hope we can keep running the ball.
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Not to belabor the original point, but....
I went back and watched the replay on SECSports.com
Only watched the first half. Here's the breakdown:
Todd threw 18 passes (that means he only threw four in the second half?)
Of the 18, a total of 13 were thrown off balance or without turning his shoulders or falling backward.
Only two of the passes were executed with proper mechanics and stepping into the ball. Both were picture perfect strikes to receivers in stride. Both covered 20-plus yards.
Of the 13 throws with poor mechanics? Four were overthrown. Two were short-armed and underthrown. One was dropped. Another was catchable, but the throw should have been on target and the catch wouldn't have been a circus catch.
The most egregious? Last drive of the first half, first play. He flinched away from a defender who was still a good three yards away. He had time to step up, take the hit and make a throw to a wide open back out of the backfield. He did not.
Three other overthrows were complete, all exposed the receiver to injury by stretching him out.
Laugh and mock if you want. If the game comes down to Todd winning it... I hope we can keep running the ball.
I completely agree.
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I completely agree.
I knew what I saw. Sort of hate that video confirmed it.
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I think it was bullshit!...haha.. j/k...
Actually I agree, but hope that if we all saw it, there would be some addressing of the issues this week in practice. Hopefully they can get him straightened out.
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I think it was bullshit!...haha.. j/k...
Actually I agree, but hope that if we all saw it, there would be some addressing of the issues this week in practice. Hopefully they can get him straightened out.
IMO, they can address it and stress it, but it won't matter until the stadium lights come on and he has some pissed off lineman coming at him. I'd say have him stand in a circle with Eltoro, Bynes, Blanc and Rocker (Coach Rock without pads of course, because that would be a little scarier) coming at him. If he steps back to throw to Tate or Mario, he gets a Donkey Punch from Eric Smith. He'll either get it right, or he'll be knocked unconscious.
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Not to belabor the original point, but....
I went back and watched the replay on SECSports.com
Only watched the first half. Here's the breakdown:
Todd threw 18 passes (that means he only threw four in the second half?)
Of the 18, a total of 13 were thrown off balance or without turning his shoulders or falling backward.
Only two of the passes were executed with proper mechanics and stepping into the ball. Both were picture perfect strikes to receivers in stride. Both covered 20-plus yards.
Of the 13 throws with poor mechanics? Four were overthrown. Two were short-armed and underthrown. One was dropped. Another was catchable, but the throw should have been on target and the catch wouldn't have been a circus catch.
The most egregious? Last drive of the first half, first play. He flinched away from a defender who was still a good three yards away. He had time to step up, take the hit and make a throw to a wide open back out of the backfield. He did not.
Three other overthrows were complete, all exposed the receiver to injury by stretching him out.
Laugh and mock if you want. If the game comes down to Todd winning it... I hope we can keep running the ball.
So this is the play where it was said that he looked scared to take a hit?
Agree with the analysis as well.
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I knew what I saw. Sort of hate that video confirmed it.
I also hate to ask this but at this point (he IS a senior) and at this point in the season (after all summer and two games in) is he still coachable or have the bad habits set in beyond redemption? Muscle memory, reflex, whathaveyou... In moments of stress we all revert instinctively to what we know... I can still see poor David Carr flinch the minute the ball was snapped in any Texan game... it was not possible to coach that away and he was done.
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Just so you know, I called the number in your avatar. This lady wanted my credit card number.
Did you give it to her? Baby needs a new pair of shoes...
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Not to belabor the original point, but....
I went back and watched the replay on SECSports.com
Only watched the first half. Here's the breakdown:
Todd threw 18 passes (that means he only threw four in the second half?)
Of the 18, a total of 13 were thrown off balance or without turning his shoulders or falling backward.
Only two of the passes were executed with proper mechanics and stepping into the ball. Both were picture perfect strikes to receivers in stride. Both covered 20-plus yards.
Of the 13 throws with poor mechanics? Four were overthrown. Two were short-armed and underthrown. One was dropped. Another was catchable, but the throw should have been on target and the catch wouldn't have been a circus catch.
The most egregious? Last drive of the first half, first play. He flinched away from a defender who was still a good three yards away. He had time to step up, take the hit and make a throw to a wide open back out of the backfield. He did not.
Three other overthrows were complete, all exposed the receiver to injury by stretching him out.
Laugh and mock if you want. If the game comes down to Todd winning it... I hope we can keep running the ball.
You are unfortunately correct, I watched the replay yesterday myself. I said somewhere earlier this week that this wasn't his worst game...I am not at all sure about that now...if it wasn't, it was close. I guess I was deceived by the score...somehow Todd had a horrible game and it didn't matter.
But it will.
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You are unfortunately correct, I watched the replay yesterday myself. I said somewhere earlier this week that this wasn't his worst game...I am not at all sure about that now...if it wasn't, it was close. I guess I was deceived by the score...somehow Todd had a horrible game and it didn't matter.
But it will.
Listen to this woman. She knows.
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Did you give it to her? Baby needs a new pair of shoes...
Hell no. I told her to call her babies daddy.
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You are unfortunately correct, I watched the replay yesterday myself. I said somewhere earlier this week that this wasn't his worst game...I am not at all sure about that now...if it wasn't, it was close. I guess I was deceived by the score...somehow Todd had a horrible game and it didn't matter.
But it will.
C'mon AUSweethear dont give into the Koas theory. Its a conspiracy.
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C'mon AUSweethear dont give into the Koas theory. Its a conspiracy.
Aw Sugar, I would love for him to be wrong...I even think K himself would like (he would never love) to be wrong on this one....but he's right. We are going to need Todd to be better. Like I said, it didn't matter this week, but we can't pull that shit forever.
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Aw Sugar, I would love for him to be wrong...I even think K himself would like (he would never love) to be wrong on this one....but he's right. We are going to need Todd to be better. Like I said, it didn't matter this week, but we can't pull win in spite of that shit forever.
FTFY... I think some folks on here said when Todd was announced that all he had to do was just not lose the game - we would find ways to win around him. But I am not sure that will be possible with the tempo of Malzahn's offense. He will HAVE to pass more often than he would have in old style AU pure running pass as a last resort offense. Not sure he is capable of that. Hope I am wrong, but... am also hoping Tyrik is taking very good notes...
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Aw Sugar, I would love for him to be wrong...I even think K himself would like (he would never love) to be wrong on this one....but he's right. We are going to need Todd to be better. Like I said, it didn't matter this week, but we can't pull that poop forever.
Well, I do know you ladies are right, including Kaos. Eventually, the passing game will have to be more effective and more dependable. So far, the offense has taken what the defense gives them and we have run the football down the pipeline and havent been stopped yet. This might be to our benefit though. The way I see it, we havent shown too many wrinkles in our passing game, how can one defend something they dont know a whole lot about?
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FTFY... I think some folks on here said when Todd was announced that all he had to do was just not lose the game - we would find ways to win around him. But I am not sure that will be possible with the tempo of Malzahn's offense. He will HAVE to pass more often than he would have in old style AU pure running pass as a last resort offense. Not sure he is capable of that. Hope I am wrong, but... am also hoping Tyrik is taking very good notes...
If I am not mistaken I thought I saw where we are actually averaging more running plays this year than we have in previous years.
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If I am not mistaken I thought I saw where we are actually averaging more running plays this year than we have in previous years.
Yes, we are averaging more running plays, but we are also averaging more plays OVERALL. Both running and passing plays have increased, but there has to be a balance for the overall offense to be effective. Bottom line is that we do have to have effective passing as well - we can't just have adequate, "just don't lose the game for us" passing, we have to have a legitimate passing game.
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Yes, we are averaging more running plays, but we are also averaging more plays OVERALL. Both running and passing plays have increased, but there has to be a balance for the overall offense to be effective. Bottom line is that we do have to have effective passing as well - we can't just have adequate, "just don't lose the game for us" passing, we have to have a legitimate passing game.
I wonder...
Has our running game been so successful lately because of the O-line, the RBs, the WR blocking, or is it because teams see Todd's sorry passing and refuse to stack the box in hopes of picking off his lame duck tosses?
I'm sure it's more the first three than the last.
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I wonder...
Has our running game been so successful lately because of the O-line, the RBs, the WR blocking, or is it because teams see Todd's sorry passing and refuse to stack the box in hopes of picking off his lame duck tosses?
This and the revolutionalry idea of mixing it up out of the same...well...and multiple formations. If nothing else, the running game is benefiting from imagination and good play designs... I know...I know... It's revolutionary...
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This and the revolutionalry idea of mixing it up out of the same...well...and multiple formations. If nothing else, the running game is benefiting from imagination and good play designs... I know...I know... It's revolutionary...
Yeah, this post was half-joke.
Half.
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It's all about blocking and tackling. Puttin' a helmet on somebody. Fundamentals, that's where it's at.
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It won't take a genius D-coordinator to figure out that in the passing game, they need to blitz and force Todd to throw to underneath routs and out to the flat. I don't know that he can do that accurately and consistently. Actually, as of now, I would say he can't/doesn't.
However, just like Torbush said after the game, if we keep the pace of play up, it makes substituting proper personnel for different defenses nearly impossible. If we're running the ball successfully, and they have 3 or 4 linebackers in the game, we will run pass plays that create mismatches...like asking a linebacker to have to pick up a real receiver across the middle or follow one 25 yards down field.
A defense can't have enough line backers to stop the run and enough defensive backs to stop 5 wide receivers. One thing we know about Malzahn, his most genius characteristic (other than getting alarm clocks to make toast), is to make sure he orchestrates plays that suit his players strengths. He won't ask Todd to do things he can't do well enough. Just as Todd works on some of these things, Malzahn will be working on ways to create advantages that avoid Todd's weaknesses.
If he can lead Arkansas to 10 wins with Casey Dick at QB and Marcus Monk as the only legit receiver, he can lead us to some wins with Todd and the group of receivers we have. They had McFadden and Jones, but so far Tate and McCalebb are no slouches.
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It's all about blocking and tackling. Puttin' a helmet on somebody. Fundamentals, that's where it's at.
"Run the ball, play defense, knock the hell out of the other guy"
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Bottom line is that we do have to have effective passing as well - we can't just have adequate, "just don't lose the game for us" passing, we have to have a legitimate passing game.
I agree.
Jay Barker and Randy Campbell think you're silly, however.
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I agree.
Jay Barker and Randy Campbell think you're silly, however.
I will have a chance to watch the replay on DVR tonight. Lets see if I can ignore his footwork while watching.
I would be willing to bet though, that after Malzahn has continued to repeat his concern with Todd we will see some changes in this by Sat.
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Yes, we are averaging more running plays, but we are also averaging more plays OVERALL. Both running and passing plays have increased, but there has to be a balance for the overall offense to be effective. Bottom line is that we do have to have effective passing as well - we can't just have adequate, "just don't lose the game for us" passing, we have to have a legitimate passing game.
I somewhat agree with your overall premise, but disagree with the minute details.
We are running more overall plays, but a vast majority of them are run plays. We can't suck a dick at the passing game (a'la last year), but we don't need a Heisman winner either. Our passing game has to be just effective enough to work when they are expecting us to run. Or for opposing defenses to have enough confidence in it, that they expect a pass when we can shove a run play down their throats.
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Except for Dameyune Craig and Jason Campbell, haven't we had mostly "adequate" passers for the last 20 years? I agree that we need some improvement from Todd in certain aspects (kill the back foot "jump shot" passes that have 4 second hang times, be more assertive in the pocket, etc), but I fee like he's pretty darn close to that "adequate" level of running this offense. Like I mentioned before....he is at least as adequate as Casey tool was at Arkansas.
And while there is plenty to criticize about the first half last week, we can also go back and watch the fourth quarter of last years LSU game, where he showed he can actually make plays when needed as well. We did take a lead late in that game, and in the end, he had 250 of our 320 yards (250 passing, and 22 rushing if you don't count sacks towards his rushing total....so really 272 yards).
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Our passing game has to be just effective enough to work when they are expecting us to run. Or for opposing defenses to have enough confidence in it, that they expect a pass when we can shove a run play down their throats.
And this is what's happening. Darvin Adams noted after the game that the DBs end up cheating up so much expecting the run, that receivers are left so open that it's almost the same as a blown coverage by the defense.
And the reason the DBs have to cheat up so much? The defense doesn't have time to substitute back and forth in preparation for "8 in the box" on one play, and 5 DBs the next. So they either go with enough up front to help against the run, or they go with enough in the defensive back field to help with pass. One way or the other Malzahn creates a mismatch, or an advantage for his offense. Then it's a matter of calling the right play, which he often does.
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Accept for Dameyune Craig and Jason Campbell, haven't we had mostly "adequate" passers for the last 20 years? I agree that we need some improvement from Todd in certain aspects (kill the back foot "jump shot" passes that have 4 second hang times, be more assertive in the pocket, etc), but I fee like he's pretty darn close to that "adequate" level of running this offense. Like I mentioned before....he is at least as adequate as Casey tool was at Arkansas.
And while there is plenty to criticize about the first half last week, we can also go back and watch the fourth quarter of last years LSU game, where he showed he can actually make plays when needed as well. We did take a lead late in that game, and in the end, he had 250 of our 320 yards (250 passing, and 22 rushing if you don't count sacks towards his rushing total....so really 272 yards).
Reggie Slack and Jeff Burger hate you.
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Reggie Slack and Jeff Burger hate you.
Okay, you got me on that one....so for the last 19 years.
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Accept for Dameyune Craig and Jason Campbell, haven't we had mostly "adequate" passers for the last 20 years? I agree that we need some improvement from Todd in certain aspects (kill the back foot "jump shot" passes that have 4 second hang times, be more assertive in the pocket, etc), but I fee like he's pretty darn close to that "adequate" level of running this offense. Like I mentioned before....he is at least as adequate as Casey Dick was at Arkansas.
And while there is plenty to criticize about the first half last week, we can also go back and watch the fourth quarter of last years LSU game, where he showed he can actually make plays when needed as well. We did take a lead late in that game, and in the end, he had 250 of our 320 yards (250 passing, and 22 rushing if you don't count sacks towards his rushing total....so really 272 yards).
Except for that, I agree.
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Except for that, I agree.
Can't believe I did that...it never makes SINCE to me when people swap words like that.
More amazingly I WANDER how Kaos missed it.
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Can't believe I did that...it never makes SINCE to me when people swap words like that.
More amazingly I WANDER how Kaos missed it.
Their's something strange about that, but I could really care less.
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Review the game thread. That will give you a timeline to watch for the WTF passes and such if you watch the replay. There were several. That's when the passing slacked off and the running game dominated.
Yall had no problem running the ball last week. The passing game was a pick six waiting to happen.
Once Todd faced some pressure, he was fooked and spooked the rest of the game.
Yall can't have that on the big jobs.
He'll either get coached up this week or look for more Kodi.
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Todd will either settle down in the pocket, or by the time we get to LSU Tyrik Rollison will be following in the footsteps of Forcier at Michigan and Barkley USC and will be yet another true freshman leading his team. One thing guys like Antonio Coleman had to praise about Rollison was his calm, "been here before" demeanor running the first team.
Games are different, sure, but for a kid who didn't even enroll early and go through spring ball to be that comfortable that fast, he may be worthy.
Again, this is assuming Todd can't settle down and games 3-7 (West Virginia through Kentucky) go badly. This is also with the assumption Caudle's two passes last week were indicative of his ability as well (which is on par with my ability to play QB at AU....which is zero).
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Review the game thread. That will give you a timeline to watch for the WTF passes and such if you watch the replay. There were several. That's when the passing slacked off and the running game dominated.
Yall had no problem running the ball last week. The passing game was a pick six waiting to happen.
Once Todd faced some pressure, he was fooked and spooked the rest of the game.
Yall can't have that on the big jobs.
He'll either get coached up this week or look for more Kodi.
I agree with the fact that he had some bad throws, but I was watching the replay earlier and noticed that during the first quarter he had an excellent pass...under pressure too. It was on the first or second drive of the game. I'm just saying, it wasn't all bad...I.e. Tennessee QB last week.
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I agree with the fact that he had some bad throws, but I was watching the replay earlier and noticed that during the first quarter he had an excellent pass...under pressure too. It was on the first or second drive of the game. I'm just saying, it wasn't all bad...I.e. Tennessee QB last week.
That's exactly what I said. He made TWO passes where he stepped into the pressure/pocket and threw the ball properly.
Both were dead solid perfect throws that hit the receiver in stride. Both were 20+ yard gains.
But there were only two.
Wait until you get to the last drive of the first half. Good gawd.
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That's exactly what I said. He made TWO passes where he stepped into the pressure/pocket and threw the ball properly.
Both were dead solid perfect throws that hit the receiver in stride. Both were 20+ yard gains.
But there were only two.
Wait until you get to the last drive of the first half. Good gawd.
Could be an effect of the HUNH offense. He's trying too hard to speed things up possibly...happy back feet and all.
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I agree with the fact that he had some bad throws, but I was watching the replay earlier and noticed that during the first quarter he had an excellent pass...under pressure too. It was on the first or second drive of the game. I'm just saying, it wasn't all bad...I.e. Tennessee QB last week.
So can someone answer my previous question then?
I also hate to ask this but at this point (he IS a senior) and at this point in the season (after all summer and two games in) is he still coachable or have the bad habits set in beyond redemption? Muscle memory, reflex, whathaveyou... In moments of stress we all revert instinctively to what we know... I can still see poor David Carr flinch the minute the ball was snapped in any Texan game... it was not possible to coach that away and he was done.
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So can someone answer my previous question then?
I also hate to ask this but at this point (he IS a senior) and at this point in the season (after all summer and two games in) is he still coachable or have the bad habits set in beyond redemption? Muscle memory, reflex, whathaveyou... In moments of stress we all revert instinctively to what we know... I can still see poor David Carr flinch the minute the ball was snapped in any Texan game... it was not possible to coach that away and he was done.
You are the 5th Auburn fan I've heard make the fatal comparison to Carr...ugh starting not to feel so good.....
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So can someone answer my previous question then?
I also hate to ask this but at this point (he IS a senior) and at this point in the season (after all summer and two games in) is he still coachable or have the bad habits set in beyond redemption? Muscle memory, reflex, whathaveyou... In moments of stress we all revert instinctively to what we know... I can still see poor David Carr flinch the minute the ball was snapped in any Texan game... it was not possible to coach that away and he was done.
It is my considered opinion that his habits cannot be coached out.
He will do fine until he is pressured the first time. After that?
It's worth noting that his throws were pretty okay in the first half until MSU put a hand on him and shoved him as he followed through. He was for shit after that.
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So can someone answer my previous question then?
I also hate to ask this but at this point (he IS a senior) and at this point in the season (after all summer and two games in) is he still coachable or have the bad habits set in beyond redemption? Muscle memory, reflex, whathaveyou... In moments of stress we all revert instinctively to what we know... I can still see poor David Carr flinch the minute the ball was snapped in any Texan game... it was not possible to coach that away and he was done.
I have watched a lot of football, and I think it comes down to one thing. Todd gets antsy and wants to hit the big play rather than settling for a first down.
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I have watched a lot of football, and I think it comes down to one thing. Todd gets antsy and wants to hit the big play rather than settling for a first down.
I can see that too. In his head, it's like he's planning on it leading up to the play call. It's run, run, run, run, and then in his head "boom" (insert John Madden voice), hit them for a 40 yard pass play. I don't see him taking the play as it happens, I see him anticipating what he expects to do....hit it for a big play.
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Maybe he's tentative because of his recent surgery. Maybe he fears getting the Sam Bradford pancake treatment.
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You are the 5th Auburn fan I've heard make the fatal comparison to Carr...ugh starting not to feel so good.....
Lots of us out here in Houston... :sad: We are experts in detecting "The Flinch"... The memories are only too fresh...
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Isn't Todd like 5 or 6 and 1 as a starter at Auburn?
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Isn't Todd like 5 or 6 and 1 as a starter at Auburn?
If this is true, it reminds me of your golf game. Off a tree here. Off the sprinkler head there. Scuff marks from mulitple cart paths hit....but one under par anyway.
Amazing...
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If this is true, it reminds me of your golf game. Off a tree here. Off the sprinkler head there. Scuff marks from mulitple cart paths hit....but one under par anyway.
Amazing...
Can't help that I've got game
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Can't help that I've got game
Indeed. :bc:
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Todd started the 1st 4 games last year 3-1
Todd started the 1st 2 games this year 2-0
While they are definately not top notch wins, he is still 5-1 as a starter
I remember how much we bitched about Brandon Cox and then how much we wish we had him back. Somehow found a way to win most of the time. Just saying, maybe Todd can do the same. He may not be the most fundamentally sound QB in history, but he seems to be leading the team pretty well so far.
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Todd started the 1st 4 games last year 3-1
Todd started the 1st 2 games this year 2-0
While they are definately not top notch wins, he is still 5-1 as a starter
I remember how much we bitched about Brandon Cox and then how much we wish we had him back. Somehow found a way to win most of the time. Just saying, maybe Todd can do the same. He may not be the most fundamentally sound QB in history, but he seems to be leading the team pretty well so far.
Go drink some more...you kitten rainbow lover.
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Go drink some more...you kitten rainbow lover.
Just cracked my first beer, It's RV week!
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Just cracked my first beer, It's RV week!
Hells Yes!
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I don't see the going for it all mentality. Honestly, I don't think he has but one or two choices when he comes to the line. He's not one to look the field over for the open receiver and I don't think the plays are designed for him to do that. I commented after the Spring game that it looks like the QBs come to the line knowing exactly what they're supposed to do and who they're throwing to. When he throws deep, it looks like that's what was called and what he was supposed to do from the start.
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I don't see the going for it all mentality. Honestly, I don't think he has but one or two choices when he comes to the line. He's not one to look the field over for the open receiver and I don't think the plays are designed for him to do that. I commented after the Spring game that it looks like the QBs come to the line knowing exactly what they're supposed to do and who they're throwing to. When he throws deep, it looks like that's what was called and what he was supposed to do from the start.
I agree...what I mean is that when that "go deep" call finally comes his way, it looks like he's going deep whether it's the best option or not. So far, it's been there quite a bit when called on. But when it's not, he doesn't seem comfortable giving up on it.
Against better defenses, if he goes there even when it's not open, and does it off his back foot, he'll be a turnover machine.
There was more than one pass he threw deep (incomplete) that not only was a corner with the receiver, but the safety was on top as well. Like I mentioned in another post, and to the guy sitting next to me against MSU, Eric Berry will have a career day if Todd makes the same throws against Tennessee.
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One thing yall have going for you is Gus.
If Todd does not make the pass plays early, they will be winnowed in favor of something that does work.
Last week, the run game carried things. If that continues to work, look for more of the same.
Ideally, Gus likes the threat of deep pass capability. If its not there, he'll adjust.
That is yall's missing piece of the puzzle on offense right now.
I know yall can hit one, but the threat to do it at any time has not been established . YET.
Dammit. I hate that yall's game and ours are on at the same time this weekend. It'll be hell flipping back and forth.
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I agree...what I mean is that when that "go deep" call finally comes his way, it looks like he's going deep whether it's the best option or not. So far, it's been there quite a bit when called on. But when it's not, he doesn't seem comfortable giving up on it.
Against better defenses, if he goes there even when it's not open, and does it off his back foot, he'll be a turnover machine.
There was more than one pass he threw deep (incomplete) that not only was a corner with the receiver, but the safety was on top as well. Like I mentioned in another post, and to the guy sitting next to me against MSU, Eric Berry will have a career day if Todd makes the same throws against Tennessee.
Were we not bitching incessantly last year because we NEVER threw deep? Sometimes your receiver just has to make a play
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I don't see the going for it all mentality. Honestly, I don't think he has but one or two choices when he comes to the line. He's not one to look the field over for the open receiver and I don't think the plays are designed for him to do that. I commented after the Spring game that it looks like the QBs come to the line knowing exactly what they're supposed to do and who they're throwing to. When he throws deep, it looks like that's what was called and what he was supposed to do from the start.
Yall need to read Gus's book. Really.
He sends in plays to look for, but the QB has the last option to the actual play call according to the defensive alignment. A heady QB makes this offense hummmm.
It is a mental game. Especially for a 1st year QB in the system.
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Were we not bitching incessantly last year because we NEVER threw deep? Sometimes your receiver just has to make a play
That's true, sometimes he does, but that usually is in one on one situation. Trust your guy to beat the other guy, or throw it to his back shoulder, or throw it to the outside and count on him to go get it. But don't make him make play against his man and a safety or two...and on a ball that's just falling like manna from the sky.
I mean, at this point, we're nit-picking a little, because things have worked out pretty well so far. I'm saying most of this based on the fact that I know better defenses are coming, and some of what we've "gotten by" with so far won't have the same results in games to come.
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What is impressive is Todd's ability to bull over defenders, suddenly stop and reach full speed again by his third step. Oh wait, that was Bo Jackson.
That's true, sometimes he does, but that usually is in one on one situation. Trust your guy to beat the other guy, or throw it to his back shoulder, or throw it to the outside and count on him to go get it. But don't make him make play against his man and a safety or two...and on a ball that's just falling like manna from the sky.
I mean, at this point, we're nit-picking a little, because things have worked out pretty well so far. I'm saying most of this based on the fact that I know better defenses are coming, and some of what we've "gotten by" with so far won't have the same results in games to come.
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What is impressive is Todd's ability to bull over defenders, suddenly stop and reach full speed again by his third step. Oh wait, that was Bo Jackson.
Gus Malzahn
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Bo Jackson--------Tim Tebow
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Were we not bitching incessantly last year because we NEVER threw deep? Sometimes your receiver just has to make a play
Throwing deep or not isn the issue.
It's the fact that on throws of all types -- short and deep -- his lack of fundamental execution is a serious issue. If he doesn't launch fallaway jumpers or short arm passes receivers don't HAVE to make spectacular catches.
Frustrating because he sometimes shows he has tools. Frustrating and scary long term because he often doesn't use them properly.
We aren't talking about the scheme or plan of attack. Or at least I'm not. I'm talking about basic execution.
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Throwing deep or not isn the issue.
It's the fact that on throws of all types -- short and deep -- his lack of fundamental execution is a serious issue. If he doesn't launch fallaway jumpers or short arm passes receivers don't HAVE to make spectacular catches.
Frustrating because he sometimes shows he has tools. Frustrating and scary long term because he often doesn't use them properly.
We aren't talking about the scheme or plan of attack. Or at least I'm not. I'm talking about basic execution.
From what I saw last Saturday, Todd is not capable. He's an adequate hander offer.
Yall need work on pitching AND catching. AND punting.
The SEC will catch up with yall if these areas ain't fixed.
Yall have good running backs, pretty good run blocking and a pretty good run defense.
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Hey boartitz, I was referring to the tools on this site, not the tools you use at your home. :pwnd:
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Hey boartitz, I was referring to the tools on this site, not the tools you use at your home. :pwnd:
I ain't referred anything your way. If you are one of me, you know the words.
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Hey boartitz, I was referring to the tools on this site, not the tools you use at your home. :pwnd:
and who do you cheer for bitch tits?
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and who do you cheer for bitch tits?
I don't "cheer" for anyone dingleberry.
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I don't "cheer" for anyone dingleberry.
Just remember, :bc: loves you.
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Just remember, :bc: loves you.
Of course :bc: does. But that will only get you a ride to purgatory with me. What then?
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Just remember, :bc: loves you.
Who is :bc: ? :pb:
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Who is :bc: ? :pb:
This Guy:
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/photo_images/148808/31222_NCAA_Auburn_Practice_Football.jpg)
RUN THE DAMN PLAY!!!!! HURRY UP, HURRY UP, HURRY UP, HURRY UP!!!!!!!!!!
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Alright, now we're getting somewhere. The guy's :bc: to AU's offense, that's for sure.
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Of course :bc: does. But that will only get you a ride to purgatory with me. What then?
Then we enjoy some Zima's... with Jolly Ranchers.
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and after the spankings...the oral sex.
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Who is :bc: ? :pb:
He is currently walking among us mere mortals, disguised as a leader of Florida football men... perhaps you have heard of him? If not, ask Verne Lundquist to get up off his knees, wipe off his mouth and explain.
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He is currently walking among us mere mortals, disguised as a leader of Florida football men... perhaps you have heard of him? If not, ask Verne Lundquist to get up off his knees, wipe off his mouth and explain.
Tebow will make a fine H-back/TE for some NFL team. .Bobby Douglass types went with the '70's.
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Except for Dameyune Craig and Jason Campbell, haven't we had mostly "adequate" passers for the last 20 years? I agree that we need some improvement from Todd in certain aspects (kill the back foot "jump shot" passes that have 4 second hang times, be more assertive in the pocket, etc), but I fee like he's pretty darn close to that "adequate" level of running this offense. Like I mentioned before....he is at least as adequate as Casey tool was at Arkansas.
And while there is plenty to criticize about the first half last week, we can also go back and watch the fourth quarter of last years LSU game, where he showed he can actually make plays when needed as well. We did take a lead late in that game, and in the end, he had 250 of our 320 yards (250 passing, and 22 rushing if you don't count sacks towards his rushing total....so really 272 yards).
Todd knows what to do (has a clue) but poor footwork is his enemy. He hasn't been sacked as yet. If it makes any sense- he might make some contorted moves, but he knows what to do. He can get rid of the ball quickly, but maybe he watched too much of Bradfords multiple angled throws. He gives AU its best chance
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Todd knows what to do (has a clue) but poor footwork is his enemy. He hasn't been sacked as yet. If it makes any sense- he might make some contorted moves, but he knows what to do. He can get rid of the ball quickly, but maybe he watched too much of Bradfords multiple angled throws. He gives AU its best chance
Until somebody else sees and comments on the first play of the last drive of the first half against MSU -- or maybe can post a link to it -- I think we should wait to pass judgment. That was the sissiest thing I think I've ever seen a quarterback do. I felt bad for his parents. And grandparents. His girlfriend got up and left the stadium. He got none after the game. None. Might as well be married. I could see a married guy making that sissy move because he'd want to save his ribs or shoulders for golf. But not a college QB. Somebody will kiss his boo boo. AND his bo bo.
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Koas, I watched the game again last night. What I found was 5 passes in the 1st half that he threw off his back foot. I didnt see any in the 2nd half, mainly because we ran the ball........the whole time. Of those 5 passes, 3 of them were in one drive of which completed and I think one of these left I think left Adams a little banged up. I think that had to do more with Todd throwing it up high for Adams. One other pass was very low and Adams probably could have caught. The one pass that I believe you are referring to was the pass Todd made when the defender cut of his throwing lane and then pursued Todd. Todd threw a side arm, off his back foot, towards Fannin. I was a dreadful pass but I would rather see that than an 8 yard loss. The drive for a score made those passes not look so bad but it is a concern. Todd, whether its luck or what, good of completed all but one of those passes. I dont really think that Malzahn is going to settle with that though. It definitely increases the chances of someone getting seriously injured or a series of interceptions.