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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Six on January 28, 2016, 09:36:46 AM
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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29440206/cam-newton-im-an-african-american-qb-that-scares-people (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29440206/cam-newton-im-an-african-american-qb-that-scares-people)
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Panthers quarterback Cam Newton suggested for the first time Wednesday that race may play a factor in why he's become a lightning rod for public criticism.
"I'm an African-American quarterback that scares people because they haven't seen nothing that they can compare me to," said the 6-foot-5, 245-pound Newton.
The No. 1 pick in the 2011 NFL draft out of Auburn, Newton has his share of detractors who either don't like how he plays, his celebrations or his abundance of self-confidence.
Newton, a leading league MVP candidate who is putting up record-breaking numbers, said he learned a long time ago that he can't please everyone, and needs to be true to his personality.
"People are going to judge, and have opinions on things I don't have control over," Newton said.
The stout and speedy Newton is beating teams with his arm and his legs, throwing for 35 touchdowns and running for 10 this season. He has helped lead the Panthers (17-1) to their first Super Bowl since 2003. Carolina plays the AFC champion Denver Broncos on Feb. 7 in Santa Clara, California.
Newton acknowledged being leery of talking about how others may perceive him.
"I think it's a trick question," Newton said. "If I answer it truthfully it's going to be 'Aw, he's this or that.' But I will say it anyway.
"I don't think people have seen what I am or what I'm trying to do."
Newton said he hasn't change, and has previously responded to his critics.
"I said that prior to me being in this situation," Newton said of being understood. "But when I said it then it was like, 'Oh he is immature,' or, 'Oh he's young and this that and the third.' I felt a certain type of way then and I feel a certain type of way now — nothing has pretty much changed. They talk about maturity. They talk about skillset. ... The only thing that has changed (about me) is that we're winning now."
Panthers coach Ron Rivera doesn't believe Newton should have to fight perceptions about race.
"I think he has always strived to have that separation," Rivera said. "I don't think he wants to be known as an African-American quarterback; he wants to be known as a quarterback. I think that is what drives him, to be able to transcend those boundaries, which I think is great."
Rivera, who is Hispanic, said he has battled that notion to some degree himself.
"It really should be about your merits more than anything else," Rivera said. "More about what you have accomplished, what you have done. I think that is how we should judge people."
Rivera said some people may simply not like Newton because of his personality.
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Wish he hadn't gone there.
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Is it really all white people, are just mostly bammers?
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Wish he hadn't gone there.
Most racist people would prefer that we simply not broach the subject.
The more that we can have honest and open discussion about race, the more opportunity you will have to learn about the merit of reparations. Free your mind from the sins of your white forefathers, is my advice.
Honkey.
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Is it really all white people, are just mostly bammers?
Thats what I was thinking.
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No. The haters don't hate because of race. They don't hate because now you're winning. They hate because you showboat more than anyone in the history of professional sports outside of Muchmahed Ali. They hate because Terrell Owens has your poster up in his bedroom. You give kids the TD ball. You do great things for kids, charities etc. off the field. But on the field, you make it all about you and people, outside of Carolina and Auburn fans, don't like that. There have been two brawls in the end zone within the last year solely because of it. Here's Auburn's own Chucky B on the Dan Patrick Show yesterday:
"Let me tell you something, as much as I love Cam Newton, if I played against Cam Newton, I'd put a hit on him, no question, because they rub it in pretty good. It's fun to watch, I guess, as a fan if you like Carolina, and I like sports and they're having so much fun, but it wouldn't be a lot of fun to play against, because if you're dabbing and Supermanning and kicking my butt, I'm going to get the players together and say, 'The first guy that can hit that guy, take him out. We got to get rid of him' because they rub it in pretty good."
Cam's an Auburn man. He's our Auburn man. I'll be pulling for Carolina to win the SB because of him. But if he had worn any other jersey in college, I'd be saying, "Fuck that guy."
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No. The haters don't hate because of race. They don't hate because now you're winning. They hate because you showboat more than anyone in the history of professional sports outside of Muchmahed Ali. They hate because Terrell Owens has your poster up in his bedroom. You give kids the TD ball. You do great things for kids, charities etc. off the field. But on the field, you make it all about you and people, outside of Carolina and Auburn fans, don't like that. There have been two brawls in the end zone within the last year solely because of it. Here's Auburn's own Chucky B on the Dan Patrick Show yesterday:
"Let me tell you something, as much as I love Cam Newton, if I played against Cam Newton, I'd put a hit on him, no question, because they rub it in pretty good. It's fun to watch, I guess, as a fan if you like Carolina, and I like sports and they're having so much fun, but it wouldn't be a lot of fun to play against, because if you're dabbing and Supermanning and kicking my butt, I'm going to get the players together and say, 'The first guy that can hit that guy, take him out. We got to get rid of him' because they rub it in pretty good."
Cam's an Auburn man. He's our Auburn man. I'll be pulling for Carolina to win the SB because of him. But if he had worn any other jersey in college, I'd be saying, "Fuck that black guy."
damn dude
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damn dude
He's a heretic. I say we burn him!
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damn dude
Tell me none of that is true. I brought this up last year and the responses were laughable. There's not a soul on here that can say with a straight face they'd be loving this guy had he not gone to Auburn and done what he did.
We know who Cam is. We know all the good things he's done and continues to do on and off the field. We follow that and look into it because he's our guy. We point and laugh at the "haters". But name me another NFL player, NBA player, MLB player that has ever put on the "Look at me" show the way he does. You can't. You do that in MLB and the next pitch is coming straight at your head. And that's exactly what one of our own was saying to Dan Patrick. I love him but I'm taking him out. You rub it in the way Cam does and I'm going to hurt you.
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Tell me none of that is true. I brought this up last year and the responses were laughable. There's not a soul on here that can say with a straight face they'd be loving this guy had he not gone to Auburn and done what he did.
We know who Cam is. We know all the good things he's done and continues to do on and off the field. We follow that and look into it because he's our guy. We point and laugh at the "haters". But name me another NFL player, NBA player, MLB player that has ever put on the "Look at me" show the way he does. You can't. You do that in MLB and the next pitch is coming straight at your head. And that's exactly what one of our own was saying to Dan Patrick. I love him but I'm taking him out. You rub it in the way Cam does and I'm going to hurt you.
Its true. Deion Sanders played for San Fran and Atlanta they hated him here, came to Dallas, Aw he's alright now. Same with Terrell Owens.
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He's a heretic. I say we burn him!
He turned me into a newt!
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Tell me none of that is true. I brought this up last year and the responses were laughable. There's not a soul on here that can say with a straight face they'd be loving this guy had he not gone to Auburn and done what he did.
We know who Cam is. We know all the good things he's done and continues to do on and off the field. We follow that and look into it because he's our guy. We point and laugh at the "haters". But name me another NFL player, NBA player, MLB player that has ever put on the "Look at me" show the way he does. You can't. You do that in MLB and the next pitch is coming straight at your head. And that's exactly what one of our own was saying to Dan Patrick. I love him but I'm taking him out. You rub it in the way Cam does and I'm going to hurt you.
5' 7" 158lbs *ding
Go Seahawks!
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He turned me into a newt!
I got better!
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Tell me none of that is true. I brought this up last year and the responses were laughable. There's not a soul on here that can say with a straight face they'd be loving this guy had he not gone to Auburn and done what he did.
We know who Cam is. We know all the good things he's done and continues to do on and off the field. We follow that and look into it because he's our guy. We point and laugh at the "haters". But name me another NFL player, NBA player, MLB player that has ever put on the "Look at me" show the way he does. You can't. You do that in MLB and the next pitch is coming straight at your head. And that's exactly what one of our own was saying to Dan Patrick. I love him but I'm taking him out. You rub it in the way Cam does and I'm going to hurt you.
All true. But other than his short time at AU, the seething hatred by his detractors and the charitable works and good guy personna, I know very little of him. None of us do.
I don't mind a bit of showboating, but he has taken it way too far. All it ever took was a smile
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All true. But other than his short time at AU, the seething hatred by his detractors and the charitable works and good guy personna, I know very little of him. None of us do.
I don't mind a bit of showboating, but he has taken it way too far. All it ever took was a smile
damn dude
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How quickly some of you forget. I will not sit idly by and let people speak ill of my friend.
You may not know Cam but I do.
Understandable, since you are just fans.
I have given Cam high 5 at Tigerwalk. I have given him a high 5 post game. I have said hey to him after he rolled by me one one of those battery powered skate board thingys.
Cam is my boy. And I will slap a bitch.
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How quickly some of you forget. I will not sit idly by and let people speak ill of my friend.
You may not know Cam but I do.
Understandable, since you are just fans.
I have given Cam high 5 at Tigerwalk. I have given him a high 5 post game. I have said hey to him after he rolled by me one one of those battery powered skate board thingys.
Cam is my boy. And I will slap a bitch.
Jake Ryan? Jake's my boy.
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Jake Ryan? Jake's my boy.
What that boy number?
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My man Cal!
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If I didn't love Cam I might hate him.
He's exactly who he says he is, though. Can't argue that.
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I think they got the headline they were looking for out of him.
He said himself "I think it's a trick question."
Doesn't sound like he's playing the Jesse Jackson victim card to me here.
He was basically asked "why does everyone hate you?" and the part of his long-winded answer that all these headlines are focusing on is:
"I'm an African-American quarterback that scares people because they haven't seen nothing that they can compare me to", which he later elaborated on with "I don't think people have seen what I am or what I'm trying to do."
I think he's more saying that people try to categorize him, define him, and put him in a box as "a black quarterback". I think he's saying he's doing his own thing and wants to be defined as an individual.
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He's the new Sheriff of Rock Ridge.
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The sheriff is near
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I hired you people to get a little track laid, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!
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What did he expect? "Welcome, sonny"? "Make yourself at home"? "Marry my daughter"? You've got to remember that these are just simple Bammers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new SEC West. You know... morons.
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Tell me none of that is true. I brought this up last year and the responses were laughable. There's not a soul on here that can say with a straight face they'd be loving this guy had he not gone to Auburn and done what he did.
We know who Cam is. We know all the good things he's done and continues to do on and off the field. We follow that and look into it because he's our guy. We point and laugh at the "haters". But name me another NFL player, NBA player, MLB player that has ever put on the "Look at me" show the way he does. You can't. You do that in MLB and the next pitch is coming straight at your head. And that's exactly what one of our own was saying to Dan Patrick. I love him but I'm taking him out. You rub it in the way Cam does and I'm going to hurt you.
Say it baby, say it.
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Say it baby, say it.
Cock of the Walk
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What did he expect? "Welcome, sonny"? "Make yourself at home"? "Marry my daughter"? You've got to remember that these are just simple Bammers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new SEC West. You know... morons.
"Sorry about the 'up yours black'."
(http://www.screeninsults.com/images/blazing-saddles-old-lady.jpg)
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"Sorry about the 'up yours black'."
(http://www.screeninsults.com/images/blazing-saddles-old-lady.jpg)
Of course, you'll have the good taste not to mention that I spoke to you.
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It's funny, you compare Cam to the "other" black showboats.
But Cam picks a theme and sticks with it. Nobody shit themselves when Cruz would so his samba dance after a TD.
Terrell and Ocho were always doing something different.
Cam does his dab or Superman.
The real problem here is that he has been able to do it around 45 times. That means he's doing it A LOT!
Maybe the other QB with the discount double check just did t get to do his as much...
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What theme was this?
https://youtu.be/uVaM5YOLgRQ
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The biggest problem most people have with Cam and other athletes who like to show boat is, don't pout when it doesn't go your way. I don't have a problem at all with celebrating and having a good time after big plays, it energizes your team and your fans. When something isn't going your way though, don't act like a spoiled child and run away. Take it the same as you give it.
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Tiny willy haters, the lot of you!
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Take it the same as you give it.
Up the ass? No way.
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What theme was this?
https://youtu.be/uVaM5YOLgRQ
The "You Just Got F'd in the A"
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What theme was this?
https://youtu.be/uVaM5YOLgRQ
Pulp Fiction
Also, I'd still be pulling for Cam if he would've stayed at Florida...I remember him when he was at Westlake HS. I told Jumbo then, that Florida just signed another Tebow, except that he's a bigger and faster version.
I also love it when he celebrates scoring a TD and smiling at the camera as if he's saying, "Hey racists, in your fuckin face!!!!!"
Aaron Rodgers dances...no problem
Clay Mathews does a tribal dance thing...no problem
Rob Gronkowski dances...no problem
Cam Newton dances...OH MY GOD!!!! WHAT A CLASSLESS THUG (the word thug is starting to sound like a replacement for the N word)
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I also love it when he celebrates scoring a TD and smiling at the camera as if he's saying, "Hey racists, in your fuckin face!!!!!"
Cam Newton dances...OH MY GOD!!!! WHAT A CLASSLESS THUG (the word thug is starting to sound like a replacement for the N word)
The white guilt is strong with this one!
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The white guilt is strong with this one!
Guilt about what?
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Pulp Fiction
Also, I'd still be pulling for Cam if he would've stayed at Florida...I remember him when he was at Westlake HS. I told Jumbo then, that Florida just signed another Tebow, except that he's a bigger and faster version.
I also love it when he celebrates scoring a TD and smiling at the camera as if he's saying, "Hey racists, in your fuckin face!!!!!"
Aaron Rodgers dances...no problem
Clay Mathews does a tribal dance thing...no problem
Rob Gronkowski dances...no problem
Cam Newton dances...OH MY GOD!!!! WHAT A CLASSLESS THUG (the word thug is starting to sound like a replacement for the N word)
First off, take race out of it. That has nothing to do with any of this. Second, I don't think there's anyone on this board or anywhere in the freakin' country that has a problem with a dance or celebration. The problem for me.....and I'm speaking just for myself...is that he's over the top. Waaayyy over the top with it. Terrell Owens ran to the Cowboys logo and disrespected the Dallas stadium and fans. One guy got pissed and confronted him. Twice in the last year, Cam has set off entire teams to the point of end zone brawls. Can you name any other time in NFL history when someone dancing or celebrating got the reaction Cam's gotten?
I heard more of Barkley's comments on Cam today. In a nutshell (And I know nuts) he said Cam Newton needs to stop disrespecting other players and the game with his antics. Look, I love the guy and what he did for AU. Again, I'll be pulling for him next Sunday. But after seeing him in person last year, I said openly on this board, the guy needs to tone it down about 15 notches. It borders on embarrassing.
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First off, take race out of it. That has nothing to do with any of this. Second, I don't think there's anyone on this board or anywhere in the freakin' country that has a problem with a dance or celebration. The problem for me.....and I'm speaking just for myself...is that he's over the top. Waaayyy over the top with it. Terrell Owens ran to the Cowboys logo and disrespected the Dallas stadium and fans. One guy got pissed and confronted him. Twice in the last year, Cam has set off entire teams to the point of end zone brawls. Can you name any other time in NFL history when someone dancing or celebrating got the reaction Cam's gotten?
I heard more of Barkley's comments on Cam today. In a nutshell (And I know nuts) he said Cam Newton needs to stop disrespecting other players and the game with his antics. Look, I love the guy and what he did for AU. Again, I'll be pulling for him next Sunday. But after seeing him in person last year, I said openly on this board, the guy needs to tone it down about 15 notches. It borders on embarrassing.
I like it. I'm hoping he starts pulling out sharpies and signs footballs. Also, I liked it when Terrell Owens stomped on the Star, fuck the Cowboys.
I for one, apparently, hopes that he dances, dabs, Supermans and smiles all around the field after winning the Superbowl.
How dare he act like he enjoys scoring TDs and winning...he needs to grow up and stop enjoying the game like he's still in park ball.
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I like it. I'm hoping he starts pulling out sharpies and signs footballs. Also, I liked it when Terrell Owens stomped on the Star, fuck the Cowboys.
I for one, apparently, hopes that he dances, dabs, Supermans and smiles all around the field after winning the Superbowl.
How dare he act like he enjoys scoring TDs and winning...he needs to grow up and stop enjoying the game like he's still in park ball.
I agree. Maybe I haven't seen the right clips, but I haven't seen Cam do that much to disrespect other players. He talks trash. Yeah. He does. A lot. And he's good at it.
But how many other players have been lauded for talking trash? Here's a video from the NFL that celebrates the best trash talkers in the league: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d82084d7e/Biggest-trash-talkers
Cam plays QB, so many expect he's supposed to be part of the country club crowd.
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Posted this on woopig...seems germane to this discussion:
Had Cam not attended Auburn, I might dislike the guy, too.
My consternation would be with the little celebrations over mundane accomplishments. You're an all-pro...you're supposed to get first downs.
That said, I always gave guys like Deion, TO and Ochocinco a bit of a pass because it was so fun to watch them play at their highest level (a few floors above everyone on the field at that moment). I shrugged off the celebrations because they were backing up the boast. They earned the right to dance and act a fool.
Since I have watched Cam closely the past 5-6 years, especially all the work with kids, I've decided he's just a really big kid at heart. I think he's genuinely excited by those little accomplishments and his celebration is not intended to taunt the defense, but to celebrate the moment.
Or maybe I'm just rationalizing and would be hater #1 if he had gone to any other school.
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The cot damn Germans ain't got nothing to do with this.
Agreed though. I think he really is just a big ol' kid.
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Cam plays QB, so many expect he's supposed to be part of the country club crowd.
I think this has a lot to do with it as well. Black QBs are often discounted as "athletes", implying that they don't have the mental capacity for the position. This opinion is largely held by the old guard (read: decrepit white men) who are uncomfortable with the evolution of the game. The traditional QB was a thoughtful white guy who had quiet reserve and a steely demeanor. The "John Wayne" of the field, if you will.
Enter the Django-esque black QBs: Culpepper, Vick, Cam, etc. They not only have to perform on the field, but they must also toe the line and give their best Carlton Banks impersonation to win the favor of the aforementioned old guard. Those who don't are castigated.
I think it's great how the media narrative is now turning: Cam is gaining traction in the media (Cowherd is a huge supporter) and the haters are being exposed as bitter reactionaries.
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I agree. Maybe I haven't seen the right clips, but I haven't seen Cam do that much to disrespect other players. He talks trash. Yeah. He does. A lot. And he's good at it.
But how many other players have been lauded for talking trash? Here's a video from the NFL that celebrates the best trash talkers in the league: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d82084d7e/Biggest-trash-talkers
Cam plays QB, so many expect he's supposed to be part of the country club crowd.
I agree with Townhall for agreeing with Prowler.
Can't believe some of the shit coming from our own fans, even if you do qualify it with "I'd feel that way if he wasn't one of our own".
When did half this board become Nolan Nawrocki (http://thebiglead.com/2011/03/29/nfl-draft-2011-a-spiteful-evaluation-of-cam-newtons-personality/)?
“Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup,â€
“Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room . . . Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.â€
Are y'all telling me y'all agree with this load of horseshit now? Heaven forbid a professional football player look like he's enjoying what he's doing out there. Heaven forbid he celebrate, which is an actual part of the pro game. Heaven forbid he "fake" smile. Jesus Christ, people, what happened to y'all over the last five years? Who hurt you?
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I think this has a lot to do with it as well. Black QBs are often discounted as "athletes", implying that they don't have the mental capacity for the position. This opinion is largely held by the old guard (read: decrepit white men) who are uncomfortable with the evolution of the game. The traditional QB was a thoughtful white guy who had quiet reserve and a steely demeanor. The "John Wayne" of the field, if you will.
Enter the Django-esque black QBs: Culpepper, Vick, Cam, etc. They not only have to perform on the field, but they must also toe the line and give their best Carlton Banks impersonation to win the favor of the aforementioned old guard. Those who don't are castigated.
I think it's great how the media narrative is now turning: Cam is gaining traction in the media (Cowherd is a huge supporter) and the haters are being exposed as bitter reactionaries.
I'm a decrepit old white guy and race has nothing to do with it. Cam is the only one bringing up race and that's a pathetic attempt to deflect from the real issue. And what does being castrated have to do with any of this?
I've never had a problem with celebrations...little dances....pulling out a sharpie....discount double-checking. The game should be fun for the players and fans. But when your "Look at me" parties are so over the top and go on for so long, (even after the mundane first downs) that....and here's the key...you incite brawls in the endzone...that's a problem. These aren't decrepit old men wanting to beat his ass. These are his peers and twice within the last year those guys have said enough is enough.
They're not going after him because he's beating them. If that were the case, you'd see a fight break out after every game. They're going after him for the same reasons Sir Charles said I'd make sure we took his ass out.
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Cam is such a smug sumbitch
https://www.facebook.com/parker.anderson45/videos/10204641925516644/
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I'm a decrepit old white guy and race has nothing to do with it. Cam is the only one bringing up race and that's a pathetic attempt to deflect from the real issue. And what does being castrated have to do with any of this?
First of all, like I said before, I think his quote was widely misinterpreted (intentionally, for clicks) and certainly hugely magnified compared to what he actually said. He certainly didn't flatly come out and say "People hate me just because I'm black", regardless of how the headlines paraphrase.
I've never had a problem with celebrations...little dances....pulling out a sharpie....discount double-checking. The game should be fun for the players and fans. But when your "Look at me" parties are so over the top and go on for so long, (even after the mundane first downs) that....and here's the key...you incite brawls in the endzone...that's a problem. These aren't decrepit old men wanting to beat his ass. These are his peers and twice within the last year those guys have said enough is enough.
Link? Like, what specifically do you take issue with? The dabbing after first downs? The one-second motion of covering his face with his elbow is so egregious and abnormal? He's the only player that ever shows any emotion after even small victories such as first downs, sacks, etc.? You're acting like he's out there doing throat-slashing motions or pretending to take a shit with the football (which I still thought was hilarious when Doug Baldwin did exactly that, by the way)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WPQxfvYXZyQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
All he's doing is smiling, dabbing, and dancing after touchdowns (the latter, is pretty much the standard).
What exactly is your beef grandpa? I need more specificity than "Look at me parties".
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Cam is such a smug sumbitch
https://www.facebook.com/parker.anderson45/videos/10204641925516644/
I've poked a few posters in this thread--which is a private matter--but I've seen Cam over-do his celebrations to my liking. Both, at AU and Carolina. BUT, and you have a huge butt, I've always thought that he is genuine.
And I think he has a good heart for kids, sick folks, etc. He could have me completely fooled but I will believe it till proven otherwise.
How many times have we seen this guy do stuff like this in person? A bunch if you watched him after games at AU.
Yeah, he's a showboat. I can deal with it. He backs it up.
And he his career may very well end in an horrific injury. But, it will probably have nothing to do with his celebrations and more about him actually trying to be Superman.
Rushing TD last week was a prime example. He could have easily chosen to cut left and avoid contact but he has to attempt a fly over his blocker and the defender and flip head first into the endzone. Because he's Cam. And, yes, it makes the highlight reels.
He's undeniably a showboat and the definition of extreme is very subjective.
I still love the man deeply.
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First of all, like I said before, I think his quote was widely misinterpreted (intentionally, for clicks) and certainly hugely magnified compared to what he actually said. He certainly didn't flatly come out and say "People hate me just because I'm black", regardless of how the headlines paraphrase.
Link? Like, what specifically do you take issue with? The dabbing after first downs? The one-second motion of covering his face with his elbow is so egregious and abnormal? He's the only player that ever shows any emotion after even small victories such as first downs, sacks, etc.? You're acting like he's out there doing throat-slashing motions or pretending to take a shit with the football (which I still thought was hilarious when Doug Baldwin did exactly that, by the way)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WPQxfvYXZyQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
All he's doing is smiling, dabbing, and dancing after touchdowns (the latter, is pretty much the standard).
What exactly is your beef grandpa? I need more specificity than "Look at me parties".
I'm sorry. Did you say you wanted a link? Here's something better. Your Saints...you know...not old men...his peers...trying to beat his ass. While you watch this one, I'll go see if I can find the video of the Titans trying to take him out.
https://youtu.be/CMBDHjrZ9KA
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https://youtu.be/CMBDHjrZ9KA
Ok, the Saints were assholes. I'm not defending them for that. This isn't about defending the Saints, it's about defending Cam.
Why aren't we talking about Loftin? We think Cam was the problem and not Loftin in that video? Seriously? For coming up and shoving him for doing the little 2 second Superman celebration?
What did CAM do specifically, that in your mind warrented them starting the fight? Why is he the only player int he NFL not allowed to have a touchdown celebration move of any kind? The video also says quote:
Saints' frustration likely played a role here. They were getting their asses kicked 17-0 in the first quarter.
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I'm sorry. Did you say you wanted a link? Here's something better. Your Saints...you know...not old men...his peers...trying to beat his ass. While you watch this one, I'll go see if I can find the video of the Titans trying to take him out.
https://youtu.be/CMBDHjrZ9KA
Frustration because you're getting your ass kicked will do that to a man. More unprofessional of the Saints to give in and lash out than for Cam to dab.
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Frustration because you're getting your ass kicked will do that to a man. More unprofessional of the Saints to give in and lash out than for Cam to dab.
Exactly. This.
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I still love the man deeply.
Enough to have his baby?
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Ok, the Saints were assholes. I'm not defending them for that. This isn't about defending the Saints, it's about defending Cam.
Why aren't we talking about Loftin? We think Cam was the problem and not Loftin in that video? Seriously? For coming up and shoving him for doing the little 2 second Superman celebration?
What did CAM do specifically, that in your mind warrented them starting the fight? Why is he the only player int he NFL not allowed to have a touchdown celebration move of any kind? The video also says quote:
The very title of the video says that his Superman celebration set off the fight. I'll post the comments again from Sir Charles that pretty much sums it up for me.
"Let me tell you something, as much as I love Cam Newton, if I played against Cam Newton, I'd put a hit on him, no question, because they rub it in pretty good. It's fun to watch, I guess, as a fan if you like Carolina, and I like sports and they're having so much fun, but it wouldn't be a lot of fun to play against, because if you're dabbing and Supermanning and kicking my butt, I'm going to get the players together and say, 'The first guy that can hit that guy, take him out. We got to get rid of him' because they rub it in pretty good."
I'm the same way. I've said it many times in this thread. I love the guy. Love what he did for Auburn. I'm pulling for Carolina next Sunday solely because of Cam. I've just thought his on the field "celebrations" have gone well beyond the norm. What Chuck is saying here is simple. Having fun is one thing. Taking it to the point that now you're just rubbing it in my face....
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The very title of the video says that his Superman celebration set off the fight. I'll post the comments again from Sir Charles that pretty much sums it up for me.
"Let me tell you something, as much as I love Cam Newton, if I played against Cam Newton, I'd put a hit on him, no question, because they rub it in pretty good. It's fun to watch, I guess, as a fan if you like Carolina, and I like sports and they're having so much fun, but it wouldn't be a lot of fun to play against, because if you're dabbing and Supermanning and kicking my butt, I'm going to get the players together and say, 'The first guy that can hit that guy, take him out. We got to get rid of him' because they rub it in pretty good."
I'm the same way. I've said it many times in this thread. I love the guy. Love what he did for Auburn. I'm pulling for Carolina next Sunday solely because of Cam. I've just thought his on the field "celebrations" have gone well beyond the norm. What Chuck is saying here is simple. Having fun is one thing. Taking it to the point that now you're just rubbing it in my face....
I always thought that you liked having it rubbed in your face. I won't do that next time, then. You should've said something sooner.
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The very title of the video says that his Superman celebration set off the fight. I'll post the comments again from Sir Charles that pretty much sums it up for me.
"Let me tell you something, as much as I love Cam Newton, if I played against Cam Newton, I'd put a hit on him, no question, because they rub it in pretty good. It's fun to watch, I guess, as a fan if you like Carolina, and I like sports and they're having so much fun, but it wouldn't be a lot of fun to play against, because if you're dabbing and Supermanning and kicking my butt, I'm going to get the players together and say, 'The first guy that can hit that guy, take him out. We got to get rid of him' because they rub it in pretty good."
I'm the same way. I've said it many times in this thread. I love the guy. Love what he did for Auburn. I'm pulling for Carolina next Sunday solely because of Cam. I've just thought his on the field "celebrations" have gone well beyond the norm. What Chuck is saying here is simple. Having fun is one thing. Taking it to the point that now you're just rubbing it in my face....
Please explain why pantomiming unbuttoning your shirt to reveal a Superman "S" underneath, a move that takes less than 2 seconds, is somehow worse than what 99.9% of everyone in the NFL does after touchdowns. You can't.
Explain why that's deplorable, but these are OMG THE BEST CELEBRATIONS!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCivOne8Vc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEOSwohJlQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIgtkbdMA4
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The showboating will only worsen. If he stops or curbs it somewhat it will look as if it's a league directive. It's all of the talk and dwarfs any other pre- game drama in all of the previous Super Bowls. Fully expect the two teams to go pre-fight WWE which is what the novice youngster appreciates about sports in general. Shame it plays such a part of the contest in and of itself. Likely to be far more entertaining than the majority of halftime shows that I've seen though. Pulling for Cam and in some small way it could actually help Auburn so WDC!
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Please explain why pantomiming unbuttoning your shirt to reveal a Superman "S" underneath, a move that takes less than 2 seconds, is somehow worse than what 99.9% of everyone in the NFL does after touchdowns. You can't.
Explain why that's deplorable, but these are OMG THE BEST CELEBRATIONS!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCivOne8Vc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEOSwohJlQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIgtkbdMA4
RIF!!!!! How many times does it have to be said that celebrations are fine? Part of the game. Part of the NFL. Part of professional sports. Nobody is going after these guys for doing their thing. IT'S THE NORM. Got it?
But entire teams, not just the Saints, are taking exception enough to his "2 second" celebration to take it to brawl level. Nobody's going after these other guys. They are going after Cam. Why is that? You can't explain it away by saying they acted unprofessionally. Get real. A bunch of testosterone filled beasts that bang heads for a living? The whole profession is all about machismo. I'll take the word of an Auburn man who was one of the best professional athletes of our time. When it gets to the point of rubbing it in their faces.... I think he recognizes that far better than anyone on this board.
2 second celebration? You serious, Clark?
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rubbing it in their faces
It's too bad they don't make band-aids for feelings.
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It's too bad they don't make band-aids for feelings.
I'll let you tell Charles that.
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I'll let you tell Charles that.
https://youtu.be/u9aDOwR4Gi8
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I get so damn sick of these companies using my image from the neck down for their personal gain. I may sue.
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RIF!!!!! How many times does it have to be said that celebrations are fine? Part of the game. Part of the NFL. Part of professional sports. Nobody is going after these guys for doing their thing. IT'S THE NORM. Got it?
But entire teams, not just the Saints, are taking exception enough to his "2 second" celebration to take it to brawl level. Nobody's going after these other guys. They are going after Cam. Why is that? You can't explain it away by saying they acted unprofessionally. Get real. A bunch of testosterone filled beasts that bang heads for a living? The whole profession is all about machismo. I'll take the word of an Auburn man who was one of the best professional athletes of our time. When it gets to the point of rubbing it in their faces.... I think he recognizes that far better than anyone on this board.
2 second celebration? You serious, Clark?
How many seconds was Cam celebrating before the Saints lost their shit on him? More than two? To put his fists together on his chest and pull them apart? Are YOU serious?
And you're saying I'm not reading what you're saying, but you're telling me everyone else in the league is allowed to celebrate BUT Cam, because he, and only he, is "rubbing it in". Yet you can't explain why only he is should not be allowed to do this, or how the fuck any dance in any of those compilation videos is any less "rubbing it in" than the little Superman thing or the dab. You're not even trying really, you're flatly saying he should follow different rules than everyone else in the NFL.
Because the Saints got butthurt over it? Seriously? First of all, like it was warranted, and second of all like that's the only time an NFL team ever got butthurt by the actions of another? GTFOH with that utter nonsense.
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"Rub it in, rub it in. Rub it in, rub it in.
I feel the tingle begin; You're gettin' under my skin
Rub it in, rub it in."
Billlllllly.......Crash Graddick! For your ride home, the hits keep coming on your hot country station. WPKL, the Pickle. The year is 1982, the time is 5:07 in the PM and I am the Hit Dr.! I got a prescription here for you. Happy Friday everybody!
Now, here's a little Possum to kick off the weekend! The race is on!
Let 'er go boys!
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No...you please to be GTFOH. Okay, I know I'm computerly impaired....retarded even. I know how to copypasta and that's about the extent of my skillz. But a quick search of the googled chromes just punching in "Cam dancing" gives you page after page of articles and discussion. Just a few quotes below.
Now, before you pick these apart concerning what they're about, pro or con, biased, reliable, unreliable...whatever...I don't post these for any reasons other than to show that this isn't "grandpa" saying get the fuck off my lawn. I'm saying Get the fawck outta heya. Srsly, it seems to be cut and dried with you. He's not doing anything more than anyone else. There's been an ongoing national debate in the sports world over this issue. It's not cut and dried. It's not just a 2 second move. (I'm not referring to the Saints game) Let's just say that there's more than a few people who see it as over the top and excessive.
Thebiglead.com
Cam Newton did what can only be described as an elaborate and involved touchdown celebration after scoring late to put the Panthers up 27-10. It lasted over 9 seconds, and the Titans defensive players had enough. Then, Cam added a little more after the exchange.
If this were baseball, with this kind of unwritten rules violation, Cam could expect a fastball under the chin the next time up.
usatoday.com
I don’t know when we stopped being able to dislike an athlete for irrational reasons, but I do know that if you’re going to dislike one, hating on Cam Newton because he does a 12-second touchdown celebration is a perfectly sane excuse. Look at Cam, after one of his two 40+ yard touchdown passes got his undefeated Carolina Panthers out to an early lead over the Atlanta Falcons.
I wish this clip showed more. He goes on for so long and leaves so much open to interpretation that you’d think you were watching a Terrence Malick movie.
Saturdaydownsouth
His touchdown celebration became a hot topic on several programs around the country, and a national debate ensued over its excessiveness, a topic also covered by ESPN’s “First Take.â€
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No...you please to be GTFOH. Okay, I know I'm computerly impaired....retarded even. I know how to copypasta and that's about the extent of my skillz. But a quick search of the googled chromes just punching in "Cam dancing" gives you page after page of articles and discussion. Just a few quotes below.
Now, before you pick these apart concerning what they're about, pro or con, biased, reliable, unreliable...whatever...I don't post these for any reasons other than to show that this isn't "grandpa" saying get the fuck off my lawn. I'm saying Get the fawck outta heya. Srsly, it seems to be cut and dried with you. He's not doing anything more than anyone else. There's been an ongoing national debate in the sports world over this issue. It's not cut and dried. It's not just a 2 second move. (I'm not referring to the Saints game) Let's just say that there's more than a few people who see it as over the top and excessive.
Thebiglead.com
Cam Newton did what can only be described as an elaborate and involved touchdown celebration after scoring late to put the Panthers up 27-10. It lasted over 9 seconds, and the Titans defensive players had enough. Then, Cam added a little more after the exchange.
If this were baseball, with this kind of unwritten rules violation, Cam could expect a fastball under the chin the next time up.
usatoday.com
I don’t know when we stopped being able to dislike an athlete for irrational reasons, but I do know that if you’re going to dislike one, hating on Cam Newton because he does a 12-second touchdown celebration is a perfectly sane excuse. Look at Cam, after one of his two 40+ yard touchdown passes got his undefeated Carolina Panthers out to an early lead over the Atlanta Falcons.
I wish this clip showed more. He goes on for so long and leaves so much open to interpretation that you’d think you were watching a Terrence Malick movie.
Saturdaydownsouth
His touchdown celebration became a hot topic on several programs around the country, and a national debate ensued over its excessiveness, a topic also covered by ESPN’s “First Take.â€
Other people irrationally hate Cam (and even say so explicitly in their criticism) therefore it's justified and rational. Ok…
So there are a couple documented instances where his celebrations exceeded a few seconds. Again, are you telling me he's the only one who does this, or the only one who shouldn't?
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No he's not the only one doing it, it's just the fact that he does it so much. Not Cam's fault they can't keep him from scoring.
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No he's not the only one doing it, it's just the fact that he does it so much. Not Cam's fault they can't keep him from scoring.
The Spurrier philosophy.
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Other people irrationally hate Cam (and even say so explicitly in their criticism) therefore it's justified and rational. Ok…
So there are a couple documented instances where his celebrations exceeded a few seconds. Again, are you telling me he's the only one who does this, or the only one who shouldn't?
Again, I only posted these randomly selected quotes from random pieces to point out that there has in fact been a national debate involving people who see his actions differently than you. I've always thought what he does is way more than the norm. There are many who feel the same way, hence the terms "excessiveness" and "elaborate". I've always understood why opponents got pissed off, hence the phrase "fastball under the chin" and Sir Charles saying he'd "Take him out".
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Again, I only posted these randomly selected quotes from random pieces to point out that there has in fact been a national debate involving people who see his actions differently than you. I've always thought what he does is way more than the norm. There are many who feel the same way, hence the terms "excessiveness" and "elaborate". I've always understood why opponents got pissed off, hence the phrase "fastball under the chin" and Sir Charles saying he'd "Take him out".
A lot of people think Auburn paid him $180,000 too. Doesn't mean they're right or justified.
I'm not denying there are fuckholes who hate him. I am denying that there is any grounds for their hatred. I am denying that what he does is any different than what 90% of the league does. It's just that he does it with that damned fake smile of his, dagnabbit...
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A lot of people think Auburn paid him $180,000 too. Doesn't mean they're right or justified.
I'm not denying there are fuckholes who hate him. I am denying that there is any grounds for their hatred. I am denying that what he does is any different than what 90% of the league does. It's just that he does it with that damned fake smile of his, dagnabbit...
Fuckin A, Cotton.
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I'm sorry. Did you say you wanted a link? Here's something better. Your Saints...you know...not old men...his peers...trying to beat his ass. While you watch this one, I'll go see if I can find the video of the Titans trying to take him out.
https://youtu.be/CMBDHjrZ9KA
You guys are losing your touch, girls I'd like to fuck: the woman in the video above.
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A lot of people think Auburn paid him $180,000 too. Doesn't mean they're right or justified.
I'm not denying there are fuckholes who hate him. I am denying that there is any grounds for their hatred. I am denying that what he does is any different than what 90% of the league does. It's just that he does it with that damned fake smile of his, dagnabbit...
You're right and everyone else is a hatin' fuckhole? Wrong! It's THE hottest topic going right now heading into Super Bowl week. These guys aren't fuckholes or haters. They're his peers and they're giving an honest opinion. But not one says they hate Cam. Some are okay with what he does while others are not.
New York Post
The debate over Cam Newton’s dancing celebrations isn’t going away.
The latest criticism of the Panthers star came from a peer and a former peer in the wake of Newton telling reporters he is unruffled by the continuing blowback about his on-field antics.
Jets wide receiver Brandon Marshall and former Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher both weighed in against Newton’s dancing in interviews this week, with Marshall saying quarterbacks should be providing quiet leadership instead.
“Listen, I don’t want my quarterback dancing,†Marshall said Wednesday on “The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore†on Comedy Central. “I’m from the old school. I want my quarterback to get back in the huddle and lead us.
“But what we have to understand is, this is the new generation,†Marshall added. “This is what they’re doing next. They’re disruptive. They’re disrespectful. They don’t give a damn about anyone. And I kind of like it. I kind of like it.
“You’ve got to look at it, Odell Beckham Jr., and then you have Cam Newton, who I think is leading the way. Go back to when [Newton] was a rookie and he said, ‘Listen, I want to be an icon.’ If you want to be an icon, you can’t stay in the box. You have to get out of the box. You have to be disruptive.â€
The topic of Newton’s celebrations already has become one of the most prominent storylines of Super Bowl 50, even though the Panthers and Broncos don’t leave for Santa Clara, Calif., until Sunday.
Urlacher, who retired in 2013 after 13 seasons with Chicago that included four first-team All-Pro nods, told USA Today he prefers the quiet celebrations of Newton’s Super Bowl quarterback counterpart instead.
“I played defense, so I don’t like when guys celebrate with dances and stuff,†Urlacher told the newspaper. “You know who I like the way he celebrates is Peyton [Manning]. He kind of gives the guy a handshake and goes back to the sidelines. I think that’s a great celebration right there.
“You don’t see him dancing,†Urlacher added. “You don’t see him doing all of that stuff. Even when he gets a first down, he doesn’t do anything.â€
Even a word in defense of Newton’s antics from a former NFL great was relatively mild.
Former Super Bowl MVP Doug Williams told USA Today he isn’t going to begrudge Newton “having fun.â€
“Let’s be real: This kid has had an unbelievable year,†Williams told the paper. “He has his own personality. … I don’t see anything arrogant about Cam Newton. And I think a lot of people would agree with that. The kid is having fun. Ain’t nothing wrong with having fun.
“The team loves him, the fans love him and the city loves him. At the end of the day, for Cam Newton, that’s the most important thing to him.â€
Newton said Wednesday he thinks the criticism of him is fueled by the fact he is black. Williams, who was the first black quarterback to start a Super Bowl, tacitly agreed.
“I think Cam is mature enough, he knows what he’s up against,†Williams said. “He knows what he has to deal with. And he’s got a daddy, he’s got grandparents, he’s got older people who’ve lived in this world long enough to understand why a lot of things happen to certain people. He’s got a right to understand that [race] could be one of the problems.â€
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:pb: :taz: :dance2: :getoff:
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Jets wide receiver Brandon Marshall and former Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher both weighed in against Newton’s dancing in interviews this week, with Marshall saying quarterbacks should be providing quiet leadership instead.
<snicker>
Quiet leadership......from their sofa.
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It appears we're at an impasse.
Your point is that a lot of people say he "goes too far" or takes it to an extreme that others don't. I say he doesn't. I say those people are holding him to a different standard than that which they hold most of the league up to. I'm saying that everyone loves Victor Cruz's cha-cha or Jimmy Graham's dunking on the goal post, but hates Cam's Superman thing. I'm saying it's a double-standard, and it's irrational.
You disagree and think what he does is worse than everyone else in the league who does the same shit. It's irrational. Without rationality. You can't rationalize it. But send me some more examples of other people who share your irrational opinion as a rationalization.
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it's almost like a monkey fucking a football.
Go Seahawks.
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It appears we're at an impasse.
Your point is that a lot of people say he "goes too far" or takes it to an extreme that others don't. I say he doesn't. I say those people are holding him to a different standard than that which they hold most of the league up to. I'm saying that everyone loves Victor Cruz's cha-cha, but hates Cam's Superman thing. I'm saying it's a double-standard, and it's irrational.
You disagree and think what he does is worse than everyone else in the league who does the same shit. It's irrational. Without rationality. You can't rationalize it. But send me some more examples of other people who share your irrational opinion as a rationalization.
That's totally irrational. Not sure which part. But I'm claiming it. Okay, let me ask a skrate up question. First, I understand your take as well. You don't see his form of celebration as anything outside the lines or different from what any other NFL star is doing or has done. But this is an issue that Cam is still answering questions about and as you can see, it's become maybe the biggest topic of discussion right now as we head into SB week.
If what Cam does is no different than what anyone else does in the league, why is he being singled out? Why is there a double standard where Cam is concerned?
If the answer is it's SB time and the media needs to talk about anything they can dream up, I'd have to disqualify that because this debate dates back farther than this year alone. If it's just a hate of all things Cam, I wouldn't agree with that either because I personally love the guy and as you saw with Marshall's and Earlicker's responses, they don't hate Cam, just the antics. Race? I find that excuse offensive because:
A. I was really hoping we'd finally progressed to the point where true racism played no part in the NFL or all sports for that matter.
2. I'd venture a guess that the majority of crazy/cool "celebrations" in the NFL are done by people of the colors.
Seriously asking. Why is the debate focused on Newton and not the others?
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In my mind, I was thinking the big deal was that he's the only QB that makes such a big production after he scores...but then I did a quick googled chrome search and found that I was wrong.
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/925248/bradyo_medium.gif)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/01/12/KaepCam.gif)
(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/johnny-manziel-touchdown-celebration.gif?w=1000)
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3320389/Rivers-Heck-Yeah-Dance.gif)
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If what Cam does is no different than what anyone else does in the league, why is he being singled out? Why is there a double standard where Cam is concerned?
Seriously asking. Why is the debate focused on Newton and not the others?
Because he has been responsible for 45 TD's this year and no one else is close to that? That's a lot of dabs, supermans and dances.
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In my mind, I was thinking the big deal was that he's the only QB that makes such a big production after he scores...but then I did a quick googled chrome search and found that I was wrong.
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/925248/bradyo_medium.gif)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/01/12/KaepCam.gif)
(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/johnny-manziel-touchdown-celebration.gif?w=1000)
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3320389/Rivers-Heck-Yeah-Dance.gif)
Brady: a spike. Woop!
Kraperdink: Closest thing to Cam but still a fairly quick celebration
Johnny Fuckball: Flash the money sign. That's a celebration?
Johnny Rivers: More exuberance after a TD than planned celebration in front of the crowd.
And I take back my comment in point number B above about people of the colors.
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Brady: a spike. Woop!
Kraperdink: Closest thing to Cam but still a fairly quick celebration
Johnny Fuckball: Flash the money sign. That's a celebration?
Johnny Rivers: More exuberance after a TD than planned celebration in front of the crowd.
And I take back my comment in point number B above about people of the colors.
A Spike is waaaaaaay worse than a dab or superman thing. How the fuck is it not? Seriously. Explain it to me. How is that sportsmanlike, but rubbing your hands across your chest and smiling not ok?
Amazing to me how you think all of that proves your point...
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A Spike is waaaaaaay worse than a dab or superman thing. How the fuck is it not? Seriously. Explain it to me. How is that sportsmanlike, but rubbing your hands across your chest and smiling not ok?
Amazing to me how you think all of that proves your point...
Let's see....because the spike has been a part of the sport for oh...I don't know...50-60 years? But guess what? There's no debate going on over the spike, or flashing the money sign, or jumping around excited about a TD. Again, the question is why Cam is being singled out? Why is there a double standard where Cam is concerned? Because HE is the one STILL being asked the questions...and you say there is a double standard. Why?
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Because he has been responsible for 45 TD's this year and no one else is close to that? That's a lot of dabs, supermans and dances.
^^^
I seriously think this is it.
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^^^
I seriously think this is it.
Okay, fair enough. I'll take that. I'm tired of talking about it anyway...
Enjoyed it. :thumsup:
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Ok, the Saints were assholes. I'm not defending them for that. This isn't about defending the Saints, it's about defending Cam.
Why aren't we talking about Loftin? We think Cam was the problem and not Loftin in that video? Seriously? For coming up and shoving him for doing the little 2 second Superman celebration?
What did CAM do specifically, that in your mind warrented them starting the fight? Why is he the only player int he NFL not allowed to have a touchdown celebration move of any kind? The video also says quote:
You know what I saw in that video? Guy shoved Cam, Cam threw a few words and every Panther on the field rushed to protect him. To protect Cam. They love him. I don't care what the Saints (or Titans, Falcons, etc. think). Fuck them all.
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Let's see....because the spike has been a part of the sport for oh...I don't know...50-60 years? But guess what? There's no debate going on over the spike, or flashing the money sign, or jumping around excited about a TD. Again, the question is why Cam is being singled out? Why is there a double standard where Cam is concerned? Because HE is the one STILL being asked the questions...and you say there is a double standard. Why?
We are totally talking in circles here. TD dances have been a part of NFL football for at least my whole life. "Spiking the football" as a phrase even has come to mean a form of celebration that is excessive and unnecessarily "rubbing it in". It's worse. It just is.
And you're ok with it for reasons you can't verbalize.
And you're ok with all the other QBs in those gifs celebrating. And this one:
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and this one:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D1_Ettlhrc4/VklvneGJhkI/AAAAAAAA8yI/--lROmECIuI/s1600/Palmer%2Bcelebrate.gif)
And that Tom Brady spike wasn't theatrical enough for you? What about this one:
(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/julian-edleman-and-tom-brady-juggle-ball.gif?w=640&h=355)
And again, we're ONLY talking about QBs here, which is the closest we can come to a rational explanation. Open it up to every position and you'll get 100 gifs like this or worse every single Sunday.
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we head into SB week. ..
If what Cam does is no different than what anyone else does in the league, why is he being singled out? Why is there a double standard where Cam is concerned?
we head into SB week. ..
If the answer is it's SB time and the media needs to talk about anything they can dream up, I'd have to disqualify that because this debate dates back farther than this year alone.
The media loves to rehash a "controversy" when the players are relevant to the moment.
we head into SB week. ..
See also: Jetgate.
Because he has been responsible for 45 TD's this year and no one else is close to that? That's a lot of dabs, supermans and dances.
This certainly has something to do with it.
Let's see....because the spike has been a part of the sport for oh...I don't know...50-60 years?
No new celebrations. Got it. Puddin' before your Matlock re-runs, Gramps?
Again, the question is why Cam is being singled out? Why is there a double standard where Cam is concerned? Because HE is the one STILL being asked the questions...and you say there is a double standard. Why?
we head into SB week. ..
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I said I was out but I'ma do what I do best. Copypasta from an earlier post. Here goes:
RIF!!!!! How many times does it have to be said that celebrations are fine? Part of the game. Part of the NFL. Part of professional sports. Nobody is going after these guys for doing their thing. IT'S THE NORM. Got it?
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I said I was out but I'ma do what I do best. Copypasta from an earlier post. Here goes:
RIF!!!!! How many times does it have to be said that celebrations are fine? Part of the game. Part of the NFL. Part of professional sports. Nobody is going after these guys for doing their thing. IT'S THE NORM. Got it?
But only celebrations that you approve of, apparently.
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RIF!!!!! How many times does it have to be said that celebrations are fine? Part of the game. Part of the NFL. Part of professional sports. Nobody is going after these guys for doing their thing. IT'S THE NORM. Got it?
But entire teams, not just the Saints, are taking exception enough to his "2 second" celebration to take it to brawl level. Nobody's going after these other guys. They are going after Cam. Why is that? You can't explain it away by saying they acted unprofessionally. Get real. A bunch of testosterone filled beasts that bang heads for a living? The whole profession is all about machismo. I'll take the word of an Auburn man who was one of the best professional athletes of our time. When it gets to the point of rubbing it in their faces.... I think he recognizes that far better than anyone on this board.
2 second celebration? You serious, Clark?
Take a breath. Sit back and think about it a minute.
Why are they "going after" Cam? Because he's the best there is right now. He's creating a narrative that says he may be the best the game has ever seen -- just as he promised. He's making teams look stupid. He's running over them. He's carving up their secondary. He's soaring above them. He's not supposed to be that. He's not supposed to do that. And it pisses them off.
The reason YOU'RE all upset about it is because the media shows his celebrations. They might show a piece of everybody else's, but his are shown start to finish. The cameras cut away to everything the man does. Do they show you Rodgers or Brady or Manning waddling to the sidelines? Do the cameras stay glued to them until they've taken a seat? Nope. But Cam -- because he's Cam -- gets scrutiny the entire game. The Carolina defense is on the field and half the time the cameras are peeping in at him doing whatever he does when he doesn't have the ball. He has a magnetism that makes it hard to look away. His smile is infectious and something nobody else has. Plus he's making a game that we've heard for years is this rugged chore look like a fun Sunday afternoon with friends.
He's a kid. Anything he does comes from that.
I was on the sidelines when Auburn played LSU in 2010. I remember he got hit pretty hard at about the ten yard line and didn't get up. Was face down on the turf. Twitching. I nearly got sick. And then he bounced up, laughing. He wasn't hurt. He was just playing. Laying there laughing to himself over getting knocked down, I guess. He's that goofy. Let him be.
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The media loves to rehash a "controversy" when the players are relevant to the moment.
See also: Jetgate.
This certainly has something to do with it.
No new celebrations. Got it. Puddin' before your Matlock re-runs, Gramps?
Little quote from The Tennessean on November 17, 2015. Not Super Bowl Week
A day’s passing did little to change the irritation Titans interim coach Mike Mularkey felt following Cam Newton’s extended dance celebration on Sunday at Nissan Stadium.
The quarterback scored Carolina's final touchdown in its 27-10 win and then broke into a lengthy, animated dance in the end zone.
Titans linebacker Avery Williamson approached Newton and began talking to him. Teammate Wesley Woodyard followed. Several players were eventually separated by officials.
“I know Avery was frustrated by it, but I think there was a whole lot of people frustrated by it,†Mularkey said Monday. “It’s a little rubbing-it-in-your-face type of deal, which there’s a little code of ethics in the NFL. (It’s) not a good move.
“But I’m proud of (Williamson). I’m proud of what he did. He stood up for our team.â€
Second, you young whippersnapper, who the fuck said anything about no new celebrations? Chad made the determination on his own that spiking is far more an act of rubbing it in than the Superman. Again, the debate is over Cam's antics. Not spiking a football.
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Quote function ownage.
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So all it took was one dance to exceed the unwritten excessive timed celebration rule. Now every time he dabs or does the Superman pose, it's "he's a thug, showboat, etc, etc, bad for the sport, etc, etc"
Cam will be dancing all the way to the NFL HoF...It's going to be glorious.
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Little quote from The Tennessean on November 17, 2015. Not Super Bowl Week
A day’s passing did little to change the irritation Titans interim coach Mike Mularkey felt following Cam Newton’s extended dance celebration on Sunday at Nissan Stadium.
The quarterback scored Carolina's final touchdown in its 27-10 win and then broke into a lengthy, animated dance in the end zone.
Titans linebacker Avery Williamson approached Newton and began talking to him. Teammate Wesley Woodyard followed. Several players were eventually separated by officials.
“I know Avery was frustrated by it, but I think there was a whole lot of people frustrated by it,†Mularkey said Monday. “It’s a little rubbing-it-in-your-face type of deal, which there’s a little code of ethics in the NFL. (It’s) not a good move.
“But I’m proud of (Williamson). I’m proud of what he did. He stood up for our team.â€
Fuck their "code." Anything that's not a dirty play or in violation of the spirit of fair play is just window dressing. Pussies and teams getting their asses handed to them get upset about window dressing.
Second, you young whippersnapper, who the fuck said anything about no new celebrations?
Um:
A Spike is waaaaaaay worse than a dab or superman thing. How the fuck is it not? Seriously. Explain it to me.
Let's see....because the spike has been a part of the sport for oh...I don't know...50-60 years?
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“I know Avery was frustrated by it, but I think there was a whole lot of people frustrated by it,†Mularkey said Monday. “It’s a little rubbing-it-in-your-face type of deal, which there’s a little code of ethics in the NFL. (It’s) not a good move.
“But I’m proud of (Williamson). I’m proud of what he did. He stood up for our team.â€
Perhaps they sell this in Tennessee.
(http://www.exmed.net/images/Product/large/boudreauxs-butt-paste-moisture-barrierdiaper-ointment-KXLCYESJV.jpg)
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You know how you get Cam to stop celebrating and "rubbing it in"??????
Get your DC to figure out how to keep him from scoring. Problem solved.
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You know how you get Cam to stop celebrating and "rubbing it in"??????
Get your DC to figure out how to keep him from scoring. Problem solved.
Know how to keep the next pitch from being a 95 m.p.h. fastball right at your head????
Don't rub it in. Problem solved.
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'at Peyton Mannin' is a straight up thug PAAAAAAWWWL.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/98/28/8e/98288e814d7d07159a5badfacb682057.jpg)
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But only celebrations that you approve of, apparently.
For real...this is literally the argument. I keep waiting for anything rational from Snags that justifies this, but he keeps saying celebrations are perfectly fine for everyone EXCEPT FOR CAM.
Am I misrepresenting your argument? If so, please explain. With actual rationalizations, not with with other people saying they too are butthurt by Cam's actions over everyone else's. I want to know WHY.
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Know how to keep the next pitch from being a 95 m.p.h. fastball right at your head????
Don't rub it in. Problem solved.
I thought we were talking about football?
If guys like Avery Williamson take offense to his antics, then nut up and stuff his ass, make him go three and out.
Right now Cam is the best thing the NFL has had going for it in years. Love him or hate him, he is putting asses in seats and getting the ratings up.
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Damn! Snags getting dat ass whipped on from all directions!
But mostly, AUChizad. Sad to see him go out as a poster this way. He should've retired a long time ago and gone out while he was mediocre.
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Calling Mrs Snaggle. Somehow Snagglepuss has stolen back his balls. We need you to retrieve them and put them back in your purse ASAP.
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For real...this is literally the argument. I keep waiting for anything rational from Snags that justifies this, but he keeps saying celebrations are perfectly fine for everyone EXCEPT FOR CAM.
Am I misrepresenting your argument? If so, please explain. With actual rationalizations, not with with other people saying they too are butthurt by Cam's actions over everyone else's. I want to know WHY.
You are absolutely misrepresenting my argument. Never once even alluded to taking the position that celebrations are okay for everyone but Cam. How could you possibly derive that from anything I've said? The debate and the claims from those in the sports media...those who currently play and coach the game....those who have retired from the game...and an Auburn basketball Hall of Famer to boot...is over whether Cam takes what he does well past the celebrations that are, and have been (spiking the ball) the norm in the NFL. Does he take it to the point of rubbing it in or just plain being disrespectful. Outside the unwritten code.
As for "fuck the code" and don't be such a pussy. Laughable! That code has been in the NFL and MLB and the NBA and/or any professional sport forever. You can't say fuck it. It's not going away. If you go to someone else's house and do what they deem to be taking it outside the lines...taking it to the point of rubbing it in...(BTW, that's the words of the men who coach and play the game, not mine) they're not going to stand there and say "Gee, we really should do a better job of stopping him next time". The fastball to the head analogy stands. You disrespect me, I'm going to knock your ass down.
That's why the Saints players went after him. That's why the Titans players went after him. That's why the Titans coach said what he said. That's why Charles Barkley said what he said. Those are the people actually in the game and that's what THEY perceived was happening. Doesn't matter one bit that anyone here thinks they were just butthurt. That absolutely is the code in professional sports. Is that rational enough?
Whether you agree or disagree, I happen to be in the camp that thinks he does take it too far. Said so last year. Said it from the start of this thread. I've face palmed 100 times while watching him and yes, I have absolutely thought that if he'd finished his college career in a Florida jersey, I'd be pulling for someone to knock his dick in the dirt. You guys are okay with it. I wish he would take it down from 11 to a 7.
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And one other point regarding "outside the lines" or code. It's different for each sport. If you get your ass dunked on, you just have to realize there's going to be some chest thumping, glaring and woofing. You chest thump and woof in the direction of an opposing player in MLB....fastball to the dome.
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You are absolutely misrepresenting my argument. Never once even alluded to taking the position that celebrations are okay for everyone but Cam. How could you possibly derive that from anything I've said? The debate and the claims from those in the sports media...those who currently play and coach the game....those who have retired from the game...and an Auburn basketball Hall of Famer to boot...is over whether Cam takes what he does well past the celebrations that are, and have been (spiking the ball) the norm in the NFL. Does he take it to the point of rubbing it in or just plain being disrespectful. Outside the unwritten code.
As for "fuck the code" and don't be such a pussy. Laughable! That code has been in the NFL and MLB and the NBA and/or any professional sport forever. You can't say fuck it. It's not going away. If you go to someone else's house and do what they deem to be taking it outside the lines...taking it to the point of rubbing it in...(BTW, that's the words of the men who coach and play the game, not mine) they're not going to stand there and say "Gee, we really should do a better job of stopping him next time". The fastball to the head analogy stands. You disrespect me, I'm going to knock your ass down.
That's why the Saints players went after him. That's why the Titans players went after him. That's why the Titans coach said what he said. That's why Charles Barkley said what he said. Those are the people actually in the game and that's what THEY perceived was happening. Doesn't matter one bit that anyone here thinks they were just butthurt. That absolutely is the code in professional sports. Is that rational enough?
Whether you agree or disagree, I happen to be in the camp that thinks he does take it too far. Said so last year. Said it from the start of this thread. I've face palmed 100 times while watching him and yes, I have absolutely thought that if he'd finished his college career in a Florida jersey, I'd be pulling for someone to knock his dick in the dirt. You guys are okay with it. I wish he would take it down from 11 to a 7.
Why...is...it...different...
WHY is it disrespectful. WHY is the Superman motion the equivalent of telling defenses "FUCK YOU IN YOUR MOTHER'S mommy part", but spiking a football in their face is just chumming around?
And don't fucking tell me because other people said it is. That's not an answer even though you've given it 800 times.
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It's because he's black.
Racists.
Or because he smiles. That's the honest and only difference between what he does and what ofhers are doing. The expression on his face.
That nasty ewok fuck who plays for the saints? When he does his (excessively lengthy) celebrations the look on his face is that of a constipated fat child straining to squeeze a bubble turd out of his swollen ass.
Cam? His billion dollar smile says "I'm better than you."
That's all there is to it really. That's the reason. His beautiful face.
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It's because it's genuine. Cam is sincerely enjoying himself on the football field. A lot of guys are showboating because they're prideful and looking for paychecks.
This is Cam's field:
(http://thesportsfanjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/sandlot_03.jpg)
This is everybody else's:
(http://images.flickdirect.com/cache/movies/any-given-sunday/09000-any-given-sunday_1.jpg)
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A football spike in College football? Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Superman pose in College football? Nothing, no penalty.
#MicDrop
#KnowledgeBomb
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Why...is...it...different...
WHY is it disrespectful. WHY is the Superman motion the equivalent of telling defenses "FUCK YOU IN YOUR MOTHER'S mommy part", but spiking a football in their face is just chumming around?
And don't fucking tell me because other people said it is. That's not an answer even though you've given it 800 times.
Holy damn. Read. Please!. I've said 800 times. I DON'T LIKE IT. I THINK WHAT HE DOES IS OVER THE TOP. EXCESSIVE. Why? You describe what he does as a 2 second dab. A quick Superman. Go back and look at the Dallas video I posted. He scored...got up...ran away from the pile...stanky legged...did some hold your nose swim move....dabbed...walked towards the camera....Supermanned...shook his fingers. All that is after he gets up after every first down, runs out by himself and does his first down move 5 times on the drive. I find that excessive. Personal preference. Do you need more? Does there have to be more?
And yes, I'm going to refer to something someone else said and ask you to address what you've avoided like the plague. I've referred to what Charles Barkley said numerous times. Charles doesn't sugarcoat things. Never has. He didn't here either. He said what Cam is doing is rubbing it in. He also said if he was playing against him, he'd take Cam out. Charles isn't butthurt. Charles has no axe to grind. If anything, as an Auburn man, he'd back Cam. He didn't. And he's a former professional athlete and watches and commentates on sports for a living. So...
Why are you right and Charles is wrong?
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It's because he's black.
Racists.
Or because he smiles. That's the honest and only difference between what he does and what ofhers are doing. The expression on his face.
That nasty ewok fuck who plays for the saints? When he does his (excessively lengthy) celebrations the look on his face is that of a constipated fat child straining to squeeze a bubble turd out of his swollen ass.
Cam? His billion dollar smile says "I'm better than you."
That's all there is to it really. That's the reason. His beautiful face.
Honestly I think it's all the above.
I think different people hate him for different reasons.
If I had to rank them in order of most likely and most common reasons it would be:
1a) Frequency with which he has opportunities to celebrate
1b) K's "camera always on him" explanation. Sort of ties into 1a, but is kind of its own explanation
2) His smile is perceived as smug, when we know it's genuine
3) A distant third, but racists. I don't think it's why MOST people take issue with him, but certainly you can't deny that it's a reason SOME people do.
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Why are you right and Charles is wrong?
Because what Cam does is not unique. 90% of the NFL celebrates AT LEAST as elaborately, and usually without a smile on their face. He's wrong if he says Cam is somehow worse. Sorry.
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Honestly I think it's all the above.
I think different people hate him for different reasons.
If I had to rank them in order of most likely and most common reasons it would be:
1a) Frequency with which he has opportunities to celebrate
1b) K's "camera always on him" explanation. Sort of ties into 1a, but is kind of its own explanation
2) His smile is perceived as smug, when we know it's genuine
3) A distant third, but racists. I don't think it's why MOST people take issue with him, but certainly you can't deny that it's a reason SOME people do.
4) Inbred, retarded bammers being inbred and retarded.
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Because what Cam does is not unique. 90% of the NFL celebrates AT LEAST as elaborately, and usually without a smile on their face. He's wrong if he says Cam is somehow worse. Sorry.
Well therein lies the problem. A pro sports Hall of Famer. An Auburn man. A guy who is not butthurt over anything Cam did. A guy with no axe to grind. A guy who commentates on pro sports for a living...says he does. And says the "code" would be invoked...
You?
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Well therein lies the problem. A pro sports Hall of Famer. An Auburn man. A guy who is not butthurt over anything Cam did. A guy with no axe to grind. A guy who commentates on pro sports for a living...says he does. And says the "code" would be invoked...
You?
1a. 1b.
I can't read his mind, but I suspect for you and him both, it's partly that and partly a sense of "keeping our house in order first" since he's "one of ours".
BTW, I should have put a reason between 2 & 3: People dead nuts convinced he got away with cheating at Auburn.
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1a. 1b.
I can't read his mind, but I suspect for you and him both, it's partly that and partly a sense of "keeping our house in order first" since he's "one of ours".
BTW, I should have put a reason between 2 & 3: People dead nuts convinced he got away with cheating at Auburn.
Don't know what People dead nuts means. I have no nuts. I got that. But dead nuts? Anywayz. I'm going to grill some steaks and get hammered. Peace out.
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Don't know what People dead nuts means. I have no nuts. I got that. But dead nuts? Anywayz. I'm going to grill some steaks and get hammered. Peace out.
I cooked some burgers on the grill. They were great. I dabbed my ass off for 19 seconds because they were so good. Then I had key lime pie. I did the Watusi. Later we went to the movies. When I got my tickets I both whipped AND nae naed. I electric slid to my seat. It's how I flow. I celebrate the little things.
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I cooked some burgers on the grill. They were great. I dabbed my ass off for 19 seconds because they were so good. Then I had key lime pie. I did the Watusi. Later we went to the movies. When I got my tickets I both whipped AND nae naed. I electric slid to my seat. It's how I flow. I celebrate the little things.
Turn down for WHAT?
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Holy damn. Read. Please!. I've said 800 times. I DON'T LIKE IT. I THINK WHAT HE DOES IS OVER THE TOP. EXCESSIVE. Why? You describe what he does as a 2 second dab. A quick Superman. Go back and look at the Dallas video I posted. He scored...got up...ran away from the pile...stanky legged...did some hold your nose swim move....dabbed...walked towards the camera....Supermanned...shook his fingers. All that is after he gets up after every first down, runs out by himself and does his first down move 5 times on the drive. I find that excessive. Personal preference. Do you need more? Does there have to be more?
And yes, I'm going to refer to something someone else said and ask you to address what you've avoided like the plague. I've referred to what Charles Barkley said numerous times. Charles doesn't sugarcoat things. Never has. He didn't here either. He said what Cam is doing is rubbing it in. He also said if he was playing against him, he'd take Cam out. Charles isn't butthurt. Charles has no axe to grind. If anything, as an Auburn man, he'd back Cam. He didn't. And he's a former professional athlete and watches and commentates on sports for a living. So...
Why are you right and Charles is wrong?
I'm just gonna say this and leave it be, WHO HAS HIJACKED YOUR COMPUTER!?
I don't even know you anymore. You're not the balls to the wa...I mean, got get'r type guy you once were. Please pppplease return your balls to the purse. They have done you no good in this here thread.
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This thread needs a theme song...
http://youtu.be/AjPau5QYtYs
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I'm just gonna say this and leave it be, WHO HAS HIJACKED YOUR COMPUTER!?
I don't even know you anymore. You're not the balls to the wa...I mean, got get'r type guy you once were. Please pppplease return your balls to the purse. They have done you no good in this here thread.
Oh they've worked just fine for me here. Let me see if I can work up a different theme song.
https://youtu.be/c94GyEZBvls
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Tell me none of that is true. I brought this up last year and the responses were laughable. There's not a soul on here that can say with a straight face they'd be loving this guy had he not gone to Auburn and done what he did.
True. When TO did that shit at Midfield of Cowboys Stadium, I was glad he got his ass knocked out. And I don't like the Cowboys.
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I admire it when a guy is getting his ass whipped and keeps getting up and coming back for more. But, sometimes a man can just be getting his ass beat so bad that it's easy for bravery to be confused for insanity. I mean, you eventually start feeling sorry for a guy that's just getting hammered so bad that he can't even connect. He's left to throw hay makers and hasn't a chance.
It's just sad to see what missing testicles can eventually do to a man. Leave him on the mat wallowing in his own pride. A mere shell of the man that we once knew. Or, thought that we knew. :facepalm:
I never actually knew him so it's no big whoop. But I liked your postie WT.
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I cooked some burgers on the grill. They were great. I dabbed my ass off for 19 seconds because they were so good. Then I had key lime pie. I did the Watusi. Later we went to the movies. When I got my tickets I both whipped AND nae naed. I electric slid to my seat. It's how I flow. I celebrate the little things.
YeAh, but after you do that shit 45 times, the
Moobie workers are gonna hate your white ass!
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YeAh, but after you do that shit 45 times, the
Moobie workers are gonna hate your white ass!
Don't you know fast food makes girls fart?
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I admire it when a guy is getting his ass whipped and keeps getting up and coming back for more. But, sometimes a man can just be getting his ass beat so bad that it's easy for bravery to be confused for insanity. I mean, you eventually start feeling sorry for a guy that's just getting hammered so bad that he can't even connect. He's left to throw hay makers and hasn't a chance.
It's just sad to see what missing testicles can eventually do to a man. Leave him on the mat wallowing in his own pride. A mere shell of the man that we once knew. Or, thought that we knew. :facepalm:
Wow! All these opportunities to continue stalking a certain poster of the same name, sans !, and instead...
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Wow! All these opportunities to continue stalking a certain poster of the same name, sans !, and instead...
Maybe he needs more loven
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ESPN currently airing a long, long thing about Cam.
Rehashing the NCAA stuff to a degree. Talking to Finebaum's dumb ass, of course.
Cam's dad said nobody ever gave them anything, that he took the heat just to make it end.
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ESPN currently airing a long, long thing about Cam.
Rehashing the NCAA stuff to a degree. Talking to Finebaum's dumb ass, of course.
Cam's dad said nobody ever gave them anything, that he took the heat just to make it end.
There ya go...get that bama media machine churnin'. It didn't work for them last time.
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ESPN currently airing a long, long thing about Cam.
Rehashing the NCAA stuff to a degree. Talking to Finebaum's dumb ass, of course.
Cam's dad said nobody ever gave them anything, that he took the heat just to make it end.
I think you're referring to the E:60 doc they ran in November 2014. Probably rerunning it now due to the Super Bowl. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm recording it next time it comes on.
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I think you're referring to the E:60 doc they ran in November 2014. Probably rerunning it now due to the Super Bowl. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm recording it next time it comes on.
May has been. It was on regular SC though I think. The picture of baby Cam on a school bus was priceless though.
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I think you're referring to the E:60 doc they ran in November 2014. Probably rerunning it now due to the Super Bowl. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm recording it next time it comes on.
Don't think it was from November of 2014 but maybe I'm wrong they were talking current things.
ESPN currently airing a long, long thing about Cam.
Rehashing the NCAA stuff to a degree. Talking to Finebaum's dumb ass, of course.
Cam's dad said nobody ever gave them anything, that he took the heat just to make it end.
Said out loud in my house to no one what the fuck does he bring to this conversation, and he had 2 fucking lines. I hate that motherfucker.
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I think you're referring to the E:60 doc they ran in November 2014. Probably rerunning it now due to the Super Bowl. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm recording it next time it comes on.
I stand corrected, it is from the beginning of last year. I think they just added a couple new nuggets because they added some info regarding this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80cP9Su3PI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be0XktMsv74
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I stand corrected, it is from the beginning of last year. I think they just added a couple new nuggets because they added some info regarding this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80cP9Su3PI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be0XktMsv74
Awesome, I'll check these out. Just curious, what "new nuggets"?
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Awesome, I'll check these out. Just curious, what "new nuggets"?
Just stuff like Carolina's Record and that he is on his way to possibly winning the MVP
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Don't you know fast food makes girls fart?
What's with the knife? We having cake?
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Something I was thinking about with this whole thing. Cam being a Panther makes it much easier for me to continue to love him. I didn't have any predisposed feelings toward Carolina.
Were he a Falcon, pretty sure I wouldn't feel the same. If he played for the Saints, Jets, Packers, Seahawks, Cardinals, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys (damn sure the Cowboys), Eagles or some other team I just don't know if I'd be as Cam happy as I have been since he signed.
I never really cared much about the NFL. I had a love for the old Raiders (Howie, Hendricks, Lester, Lyle and that bunch) and I would occasionally find myself pulling for the Broncos or Patriots but it was usually against other teams as much as it was for them.
Now I sort of like the Panthers. Will I like them after Cam retires? Don't know.
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Something I was thinking about with this whole thing. Cam being a Panther makes it much easier for me to continue to love him. I didn't have any predisposed feelings toward Carolina.
Were he a Falcon, pretty sure I wouldn't feel the same. If he played for the Saints, Jets, Packers, Seahawks, Cardinals, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys (damn sure the Cowboys), Eagles or some other team I just don't know if I'd be as Cam happy as I have been since he signed.
I never really cared much about the NFL. I had a love for the old Raiders (Howie, Hendricks, Lester, Lyle and that bunch) and I would occasionally find myself pulling for the Broncos or Patriots but it was usually against other teams as much as it was for them.
Now I sort of like the Panthers. Will I like them after Cam retires? Don't know.
Too much talent to ever come to da boys. Jerry only goes after washed up, over hyped folk.
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I think they got the headline they were looking for out of him.
He said himself "I think it's a trick question."
Doesn't sound like he's playing the Jesse Jackson victim card to me here.
He was basically asked "why does everyone hate you?" and the part of his long-winded answer that all these headlines are focusing on is:
"I'm an African-American quarterback that scares people because they haven't seen nothing that they can compare me to", which he later elaborated on with "I don't think people have seen what I am or what I'm trying to do."
I think he's more saying that people try to categorize him, define him, and put him in a box as "a black quarterback". I think he's saying he's doing his own thing and wants to be defined as an individual.
First of all, like I said before, I think his quote was widely misinterpreted (intentionally, for clicks) and certainly hugely magnified compared to what he actually said. He certainly didn't flatly come out and say "People hate me just because I'm black", regardless of how the headlines paraphrase.
Ahem...
https://youtu.be/iuS9d1J23WU
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/cam-newton-wears-zebra-print-pants-flight-super-bowl-article-1.2515582
“I said that I’m not a person that can necessarily be labeled because when I was coming out, I was labeled to guys that no longer are in this league,†Carolina’s quarterback said. “And I didn’t mean it to come off as a race thing. I didn’t mean it to come off as anybody that’s being brash or flamboyant about a specific question. I was just saying facts. I’m hoping to be a trailblazer, to give an avenue not only for African-American quarterbacks but athletic quarterbacks as well. You can be Caucasian, you can have any type of ethnicity outside of African-American, and that’s what I was trying to preach.â€
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I hate Stephen A. Smith, good lord he said the same thing 5 times.
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Even more context here:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14687898
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I stand corrected, it is from the beginning of last year. I think they just added a couple new nuggets because they added some info regarding this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80cP9Su3PI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be0XktMsv74
FYI, this is basically the same thing, but in one video and with less stuff edited out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqKoZGZUuNI
Also, I think I've basically seen all this footage before.
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https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/694330212876685312
Peyton Manning, asked about Cam Newton "celebrating a lot": "If *I* rush for a touchdown on Sunday, believe me, I'll be celebrating"
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Preach on Michael Irvin...preach on.
http://youtu.be/NH0FL-UuZ3A
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Oh no...thugs everywhere
http://youtu.be/5qXT0MqNV8w
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Oh no...thugs everywhere
http://youtu.be/5qXT0MqNV8w
https://youtu.be/WkNL_cfVyWU
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https://youtu.be/WkNL_cfVyWU
Pandering bitch
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Pandering bitch
Have you noticed how this disgusting whore bag wears Chairman Mao outfits on a regular basis?
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Have you noticed how this disgusting whore bag wears Chairman Mao outfits on a regular basis?
She'd wear a white sheet and hood if she thought it was worth enough votes or money.
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She'd wear a white sheet and hood if she thought it was worth enough votes or money.
It's not?
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It's not?
#SuperTuesday
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Pretty good article about the undeniable Cam-hate that exists. It says things I thought, but couldn't figure out how to say.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/cam-newton-super-bowl-carolina-panthers-haters-letters
Newton won’t be hurt by his haters, too, which makes him even more disliked. There is no more frustrating thing than to dislike someone who doesn’t care that you dislike him.
It isn’t just letters to the editor and furious tweets that Newton is immune to. He’s immune to it all. Look at him this preseason, when he got into a fight with teammate Josh Norman during training camp. In the fight, Norman acted like anyone does when they get into a physical fight. He grimaced. He raged. He lost his senses, screamed and shouted.
(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ap_panthers_camp_football_75052032.jpg?w=1000&h=693)
But look at Newton. He’s … he’s smiling. He’s perfect. Josh Norman, grown man, a professional athlete, one of the most physically dominant defenders in a league of extraordinary athletes, is doing everything he can to hurt Newton. And Newton is smiling, perfectly, as if he knew the cameras were flashing, and who doesn’t want to look good for the cameras?
Or what about the car wreck back in 2014 that Newton was lucky to escape? A car wreck that saw Newton flip his vehicle over after colliding with a Buick, an accident that left him hospitalized with two transverse process fractures in his lower back.
Car wrecks are nothing to Cam Newton. He smiles through them, radiant, photogenic, beautiful. A wreck like that would send me into psychotherapy. I wouldn’t be able to drive a car again. Newton smiles for the camera. If death can’t frighten him, what hope does a letter to the editor have?
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http://www.theonion.com/article/area-man-would-hate-cam-newton-even-if-he-was-diff-52304
Area Man Would Hate Cam Newton Even If He Was Different Minority
SPORTS NEWS IN BRIEF
February 5, 2016
MURRAY, KY—Adamantly stressing that his disdain for the 26-year-old quarterback is not based on any racial prejudice toward African Americans, local 49-year-old Michael Willet told reporters Friday that he would hate Cam Newton even if the Carolina Panthers star was a different minority. “I just can’t stand the obnoxious way he plays and how he showboats after every touchdown, and I’d feel that way regardless of whether he was black, Hispanic, or Middle Eastern,†said Willet, adding that Newton having the skin color of any other minority group wouldn’t lessen his intense dislike for the quarterback’s sideline antics and flashy, arrogant demeanor. “The fact that he’s black has nothing to do with it. If he was a Mexican guy dancing all over the field after first downs and posing for the camera, I’d hate him just as much.†Willet added that he would always root against Newton no matter which white quarterback is on the other team.
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And then you get the "old school" mentality. If the 90's is old school. From the Dan Patrick Show.
Former Patriots safety Rodney Harrison had a reputation among his peers that he was the dirtiest player in the NFL. On Wednesday's episode of The Dan Patrick Show, Harrison showed that some of that reputation still lingers in him, when he told Patrick that, if he was playing against Cam Newton today, he would "try to take him out."
In a response to a question about having a problem with Newton's celebration dances in the end zone, Harrison said he doesn't have a problem with it, but he likely would if he played against him:
"The defense is different from when I came in the league back in '94, the mentality is different. You let a quarterback score, you let him dance, and you see it time and time again on film. If I was playing against Cam Newton, I would try to take him out. I would try to take him out."
Patrick: "What do you mean?"
"I would try to hurt him. I would go right to his knees. That's the goal. You want to knock him out -- that might be the difference between winning and losing the Super Bowl."
Harrison further explained that conversations about taking a player out would happen all the time back in the day, although the operative phrase there is "back in the day." If that happened today, arguably most people would look down upon that type of play, and it would likely throw gas on the fire that is the NFL's handling of concussions and CTE.
As for the Panthers, cornerback Josh Norman, who knows all too well about getting into it with an opponent, definitely had a problem with what Harrison had to say about Newton, per Newsday:
"It’s something I don’t think this game would want," Norman said during the Panthers’ media availability on Wednesday at the San Jose Convention Center. "I don’t think it’s something the Panthers would want, and I know it’s nothing that me, as his teammate, would want. I don’t want it to happen, period."
Later that day, Harrison clarified that he didn't mean he'd take out Newton while he's in the pocket, but rather when he "becomes a running back" outside the pocket.
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Speaking of old school, I watched about 20 minutes last night of ESPN 30 for 30 about Da' Bears under Ditka. Sweet Haysus, that was some violent footage. If you want to see how much this game has changed in a relatively short time span, give that a look. They took pride in taking QB's out and the number of bone jarring head shots those guys threw was off the charts.
I'm not happy with several of the changes made over the years but two things that just had to be changed were the blows to the head and going after knees, especially on unprotected QB's. Giving someone a bell-ringing shot (Not spearing the head) and sending them to the sidelines with bats in the belfry is one thing. Going after someone's knees and affecting a career has always made me cringe. Not good.
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And then you get the "old school" mentality. If the 90's is old school. From the Dan Patrick Show.
Former Patriots safety Rodney Harrison had a reputation among his peers that he was the dirtiest player in the NFL. On Wednesday's episode of The Dan Patrick Show, Harrison showed that some of that reputation still lingers in him, when he told Patrick that, if he was playing against Cam Newton today, he would "try to take him out."
In a response to a question about having a problem with Newton's celebration dances in the end zone, Harrison said he doesn't have a problem with it, but he likely would if he played against him:
"The defense is different from when I came in the league back in '94, the mentality is different. You let a quarterback score, you let him dance, and you see it time and time again on film. If I was playing against Cam Newton, I would try to take him out. I would try to take him out."
Patrick: "What do you mean?"
"I would try to hurt him. I would go right to his knees. That's the goal. You want to knock him out -- that might be the difference between winning and losing the Super Bowl."
Harrison further explained that conversations about taking a player out would happen all the time back in the day, although the operative phrase there is "back in the day." If that happened today, arguably most people would look down upon that type of play, and it would likely throw gas on the fire that is the NFL's handling of concussions and CTE.
As for the Panthers, cornerback Josh Norman, who knows all too well about getting into it with an opponent, definitely had a problem with what Harrison had to say about Newton, per Newsday:
"It’s something I don’t think this game would want," Norman said during the Panthers’ media availability on Wednesday at the San Jose Convention Center. "I don’t think it’s something the Panthers would want, and I know it’s nothing that me, as his teammate, would want. I don’t want it to happen, period."
Later that day, Harrison clarified that he didn't mean he'd take out Newton while he's in the pocket, but rather when he "becomes a running back" outside the pocket.
The guy who smiles and dances is definitely the bad guy here, not the guy that says he "would try to hurt him" and "go right to his knees" to intentionally end his career for doing so.
Oh, and everyone dances when they score. Everyone.
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I dance when I score
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I dance when I score
I break out the Truffle Shuffle.
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I dance when I score
The penis copter.
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The penis copter.
https://youtu.be/QSLRn-fHx14
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Turns out the real thug is Manning. from foxnewsdot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.
Just as Peyton Manning prepares to lead the Denver Broncos into the Super Bowl, one Colorado school district has barred kids from wearing the future Hall of Famer's jersey - even though they are free to don rival Cam Newton's.
Manning's No. 18 could be used to show loyalty to the local "18th Street Gang, according to officials at Greeley-Evans School District 6, which operates 25 schools serving more than 21,000 students. That makes it one of six numbers identified by the distrcit as having potential gang associations.
“Gangs use those items of clothing for a few reasons,†school district spokeswoman Theresa Meyers told The Tribune, of Greeley. “They use them to recruit and they use them to intimidate.â€
Other numbers that can't be worn by students in the public district, about an hour from the Bronco’s Mile High Stadium, are 13, 14, 31, 41 and 81.
But the No. 1 sported by Newton, quarterback of Denver's Super Bowl foe the Carolina Panthers, won't draw a flag.
Manning has worn No. 18 since his collegiate days at University of Tennessee, and his jersey has been a big seller in Colorado since he became a Bronco in 2012.
But even with the Broncos in Sunday’s NFL championship, and schools around the state holding “Broncos Days,†Greeley-Evans hasn’t had to field any real complaints about its dress code.
“I think as time has gone on, it’s just an expectation,†Meyers said. “Now, people are just like, ‘That’s the rule.’â€
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Turns out the real thug is Manning. from foxnewsdot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.
Just as Peyton Manning prepares to lead the Denver Broncos into the Super Bowl, one Colorado school district has barred kids from wearing the future Hall of Famer's jersey - even though they are free to don rival Cam Newton's.
Manning's No. 18 could be used to show loyalty to the local "18th Street Gang, according to officials at Greeley-Evans School District 6, which operates 25 schools serving more than 21,000 students. That makes it one of six numbers identified by the distrcit as having potential gang associations.
“Gangs use those items of clothing for a few reasons,†school district spokeswoman Theresa Meyers told The Tribune, of Greeley. “They use them to recruit and they use them to intimidate.â€
Other numbers that can't be worn by students in the public district, about an hour from the Bronco’s Mile High Stadium, are 13, 14, 31, 41 and 81.
But the No. 1 sported by Newton, quarterback of Denver's Super Bowl foe the Carolina Panthers, won't draw a flag.
Manning has worn No. 18 since his collegiate days at University of Tennessee, and his jersey has been a big seller in Colorado since he became a Bronco in 2012.
But even with the Broncos in Sunday’s NFL championship, and schools around the state holding “Broncos Days,†Greeley-Evans hasn’t had to field any real complaints about its dress code.
“I think as time has gone on, it’s just an expectation,†Meyers said. “Now, people are just like, ‘That’s the rule.’â€
Except he wore 16 at Tennessee.
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I dance when I score
cause you score at school dances
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRLA51DQ8h4&sns=em
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Cam, the NFL MVP and Offensive Player of the Year.
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The biggest problem most people have with Cam and other athletes who like to show boat is, don't pout when it doesn't go your way. I don't have a problem at all with celebrating and having a good time after big plays, it energizes your team and your fans. When something isn't going your way though, don't act like a spoiled child and run away. Take it the same as you give it.
If I weren't lazy, I'd post a gif of him falling out on the field when Norman got called for holding, because he was holding. That, along with Carolina defensive players getting unsportsmanlike penalties for slapping the ball because Denver players were celebrating 1st downs will have haters out in full force after this game.
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I haven't read any other threads re: the Super Bowl, so maybe this was discussed already.
Cam is getting EVISCERATED in the press for his post-game press conference. People are clutching their pearls because he was sullen after he just lost the biggest game of his career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys4nJQAL9Zk
Notice at 1:50 what finally drove him to "storm out" as the media put it.
He was hearing this in his ear louder than the questions directed at him.
"That was the whole game plan: Load the box," cornerback Chris Harris said. "Force y'all to throw the ball. Can you throw the football? That was the game plan: load the box, one-on-one man outside. They got a couple big plays, but I feel like me, (Aqib) Talib and (Bradley) Roby, we were able to come back and make more plays to shut them down."
I'd be furious at that too.
So what do they want him to do? Put on a "fake smile"? I'm sure they'd have loved that. I'm sure there wouldn't have been 100 hot takes about how he doesn't take the game seriously and doesn't respect the game or his teammates and how he had a Lombardi on the line and all he cares about are the cameras, etc. etc.
Meanwhile, Peyton said multiple times that he is going to drink a shitload of Budweiser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpV_-ucnGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN1TT0iYpWw
Can you IMAGINE the Three Mile Island red-hot glowing nuclear takes that would be going around this morning if Cam had said exactly the same thing? About how he is a terrible role model and a thug?
He is very obviously held to an impossible standard that no one else in the league is beholden to. Fuck em all. Dab on em.
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POOR SPORT! THUG!
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When Peyton Manning stormed off the Super Bowl field in 2010, it "shows how much he wanted to win the game."
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-storms-off-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314
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You're preaching to the choir. At least the soloist. You and I are on an island. Chiz.
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Nope, Not just yall. I am there with you. Fuck these bunch of double standard fuckers.
Although I should not be surprised by it when you have a self proclaimed socialist that is actually a serious contender for the office of president, it will tell you how fucked up the general populace is.
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Nope, Not just yall. I am there with you. Fuck these bunch of double standard fuckers.
Although I should not be surprised by it when you have a self proclaimed socialist that is actually a serious contender for the office of president, it will tell you how fucked up the general populace is.
Yep.
and fuck Snaggle and his old timey ways.
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Yep.
and fuck Snaggle and his old timey ways.
he's the re-form candidate
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Yes, the press is tripping over themselves to slam on our Cam. Yes, you can make a good case there is a double-standard with a-hole coaches like Saban or Belichick.
And Yes, he could have handled it better. Was it fair to drag him out there fast without time for him to calm down? Humanly, no, but the NFL is a machine. A machine masking as a television show and hell or high water, the show goes on even when you are pissed.
These are not mutually exclusive things to want Cam to take losing better in public and for the sports media to lay the hell off when it comes to him. I can wish for both and still not be a hater. In the end, Cam is still a multi-millionaire franchise QB on a team built to make a run for a few years. And we all know how the NFL loves a comeback story especially if they can manufacture it.
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This isn't the first time he has pouted. It's what he does. He's dancing and running around flapping his arms like a bird when he's winning. Letting everyone know how great it is that he's doing good. He's running and hiding when it doesn't go his way. At the end of the bench with a towel over his head away from everyone. Standing at the podium looking like someone ran over his dog. It's what he does. For two weeks the debate has been about him. His celebrations. His dabs. His smile. His dancing. I said then, everyone would be fine with that if he didn't act like a spoiled brat and run away when things don't go his way. Do I have a crystal ball? Can I predict the future? Nope. I've seen him do it numerous times. So have y'all. It's what he does. It's who he is. Y'all had to know he was going to get railed by the media when he did it. You had to know. And it isn't just bammers. Or the media. It's NFL players. It's Prime Time. It's Irvin. And they are all right. You can't have it both ways.
If he takes the podium like the Pro Bowl linebacker on his team, straight forward. Direct, to the point. There would be just as many people today applauding him for being the type of player the MVP should be. People would be falling over him to talk about his maturity.
That's on him. So what if he doesn't like the questions. They are always stupid. You're a professional. The MVP. Answer them like a grown up and go on your way.
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This isn't the first time he has pouted. It's what he does. He's dancing and running around flapping his arms like a bird when he's winning. Letting everyone know how great it is that he's doing good. He's running and hiding when it doesn't go his way. At the end of the bench with a towel over his head away from everyone. Standing at the podium looking like someone ran over his dog. It's what he does. For two weeks the debate has been about him. His celebrations. His dabs. His smile. His dancing. I said then, everyone would be fine with that if he didn't act like a spoiled brat and run away when things don't go his way. Do I have a crystal ball? Can I predict the future? Nope. I've seen him do it numerous times. So have y'all. It's what he does. It's who he is. Y'all had to know he was going to get railed by the media when he did it. You had to know. And it isn't just bammers. Or the media. It's NFL players. It's Prime Time. It's Irvin. And they are all right. You can't have it both ways.
If he takes the podium like the Pro Bowl linebacker on his team, straight forward. Direct, to the point. There would be just as many people today applauding him for being the type of player the MVP should be. People would be falling over him to talk about his maturity.
That's on him. So what if he doesn't like the questions. They are always stupid. You're a professional. The MVP. Answer them like a grown up and go on your way.
You wanted him to "fake smile"?
You feel exactly the same way about this, right?
https://youtu.be/Ym1PpBcXIz4
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This isn't the first time he has pouted. It's what he does. He's dancing and running around flapping his arms like a bird when he's winning. Letting everyone know how great it is that he's doing good. He's running and hiding when it doesn't go his way. At the end of the bench with a towel over his head away from everyone. Standing at the podium looking like someone ran over his dog. It's what he does. For two weeks the debate has been about him. His celebrations. His dabs. His smile. His dancing. I said then, everyone would be fine with that if he didn't act like a spoiled brat and run away when things don't go his way. Do I have a crystal ball? Can I predict the future? Nope. I've seen him do it numerous times. So have y'all. It's what he does. It's who he is. Y'all had to know he was going to get railed by the media when he did it. You had to know. And it isn't just bammers. Or the media. It's NFL players. It's Prime Time. It's Irvin. And they are all right. You can't have it both ways.
If he takes the podium like the Pro Bowl linebacker on his team, straight forward. Direct, to the point. There would be just as many people today applauding him for being the type of player the MVP should be. People would be falling over him to talk about his maturity.
That's on him. So what if he doesn't like the questions. They are always stupid. You're a professional. The MVP. Answer them like a grown up and go on your way.
I would've walked out too if I'd just gotten beat in the biggest game of my career and was being asked to sit there and listen to the players of the team that just beat me...especially when I couldn't hear some of the questions being asked over the questions that the other media were asking of Denver's players.
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The whole thing is beyond stupid.
The fact that they even interview the losing team outside of the head coach is retarded. The reporters ask stupid questions and all you are going to get out of the players are cliches.
Honestly I have no problem with him getting up and walking out, if anything he looked like he was about to say something that might have gotten him into more trouble aimed at Harris.
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You wanted him to "fake smile"?
You feel exactly the same way about this, right?
https://youtu.be/Ym1PpBcXIz4
1. What does Nick Saban being a complete dick have to do with the NFL MVP pouting at his post game presser?
2. Are you ok with that? Do all of you suddenly take back all the Saban bashing because you suddenly understand why he gets upset and walks out when Cam does it?
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1. What does Nick Saban being a complete dick have to do with the NFL MVP pouting at his post game presser?
Oh nothing, except it's the exact same fucking thing.
Worse, actually, to anyone not firmly planted up Saban's ass.
SABAN: Aggressively surly and dickish to the press. Doesn't care for their (legitimate) questions so he screams at them and runs out.
CAM: Dejected and sullen. Doesn't care for their (incredibly stupid) questions (or the asinine setup where he can barely hear said dumb questions over the guys who beat him yelling about how they shut him down, he can't throw, etc.) so he mumbles that the interview's over and walks out.
How in the flying fuck can Saban's behavior be super awesome OMG such a hard-nosed, take-no-bullshit straight shoorter, and Cam's is disrespectful and he's a trash person because of it?
2. Are you ok with that? Do all of you suddenly take back all the Saban bashing because you suddenly understand why he gets upset and walks out when Cam does it?
First, you answer. Are YOU ok with Saban doing it? Only a problem when Cam does it. As I already said, yes I think it's worse when he explodes and degrades the press compared to just giving terse, short answers until he'd had enough. I also think if anyone should know better between the 64 year old and the 26 year old, it's the former.
I would have reacted exactly the same way. I'd be willing to bet he'll go back and say he didn't handle it the best possible way that he could, but FUCK that. He shouldn't have to be perfect. NO ONE else is held to those standards. ONLY HE has to be perfect in every way to avoid the hate mobs, and even then, it's not enough. There is no winning move. Like I said before, if he came in there with a smile on his face, there'd be a million and one hot takes about how he's not taking this seriously enough and how is smile is "fake" and "disingenuous" like we've heard dozens of times before. So fuck every single one of them.
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Oh nothing, except it's the exact same fucking thing.
Worse, actually, to anyone not firmly planted up Saban's ass.
SABAN: Aggressively surly and dickish to the press. Doesn't care for their (legitimate) questions so he screams at them and runs out.
CAM: Dejected and sullen. Doesn't care for their (incredibly stupid) questions (or the asinine setup where he can barely hear said dumb questions over the guys who beat him yelling about how they shut him down, he can't throw, etc.) so he mumbles that the interview's over and walks out.
How in the flying fuck can Saban's behavior be super awesome OMG such a hard-nosed, take-no-bullshit straight shoorter, and Cam's is disrespectful and he's a trash person because of it?
First, you answer. Are YOU ok with Saban doing it? Only a problem when Cam does it. As I already said, yes I think it's worse when he explodes and degrades the press compared to just giving terse, short answers until he'd had enough. I also think if anyone should know better between the 64 year old and the 26 year old, it's the former.
I would have reacted exactly the same way. I'd be willing to bet he'll go back and say he didn't handle it the best possible way that he could, but FUCK that. He shouldn't have to be perfect. NO ONE else is held to those standards. ONLY HE has to be perfect in every way to avoid the hate mobs, and even then, it's not enough. There is no winning move. Like I said before, if he came in there with a smile on his face, there'd be a million and one hot takes about how he's not taking this seriously enough and how is smile is "fake" and "disingenuous" like we've heard dozens of times before. So fuck every single one of them.
No, he's a dickhead He's always been a dickhead. But you won't go back and find me championing his crusade or justifying him acting like a dickhead.
Cam acted like a bitch and got called out for it.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14742227
and
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25477790/peyton-manning-cam-newton-was-extremely-humble-after-super-bowl-50
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Did Cam act spoiled and irritable? Yes.
Is it because he's immature? I think so.
Is it because he hates to lose? I think that's certainly part of it. Any good competitor hates to lose. But, he has to learn to handle it better.
Did he act like a "bitch"? I don't think so. But, I'd enjoy seeing some people tell him that in an alley away from cameras. Just like I saw some classy Bama fans call him Scam to his face after the Iron Bowl this year, of course in a big crowd and as they are walking by pretty fast.
Has this been blown out of proportion because it's Cam? Of course. If it was a lesser name player, I don't think this would even be an issue. It looks like something Jim McMahon would've done in the 80's to me.
Cam loves the spotlight and he's a sore loser. I don't care. I still love Cam because he's genuine. He loves kids and he's still one of the best QB's I've ever seen play.
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Did Cam act spoiled and irritable? Yes.
Is it because he's immature? I think so.
Is it because he hates to lose? I think that's certainly part of it. Any good competitor hates to lose. But, he has to learn to handle it better.
Did he act like a "bitch"? I don't think so. But, I'd enjoy seeing some people tell him that in an alley away from cameras. Just like I saw some classy Bama fans call him Scam to his face after the Iron Bowl this year, of course in a big crowd and as they are walking by pretty fast.
Has this been blown out of proportion because it's Cam? Of course. If it was a lesser name player, I don't think this would even be an issue. It looks like something Jim McMahon would've done in the 80's to me.
Cam loves the spotlight and he's a sore loser. I don't care. I still love Cam because he's genuine. He loves kids and he's still one of the best QB's I've ever seen play.
I love you.
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Has this been blown out of proportion because it's Cam? Of course. If it was a lesser name player, I don't think this would even be an issue.
Yes, because likes to celebrate after every first down. After every big play. Not because everyone hates Cam. Because he loves the spotlight. But only when he's shining, never when it doesn't go his way.
He's the leader of the team. He should act like it. Instead he chose to act like he has every time he's been in a bad situation. But nah, it's just because all these damn bammers just hating.
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Yes, because likes to celebrate after every first down. After every big play. Not because everyone hates Cam. Because he loves the spotlight. But only when he's shining, never when it doesn't go his way.
He's the leader of the team. He should act like it. Instead he chose to act like he has every time he's been in a bad situation. But nah, it's just because all these damn bammers just hating.
Well they are rejoicing. Hell many of them chose to root for Manning, a dredged VOL rather than cheer for the former bammers on Carolina.
Sounds like that ass is still chapped from 2010 for many of them.
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Did Cam act spoiled and irritable? Yes.
Is it because he's immature? I think so.
Is it because he hates to lose? I think that's certainly part of it. Any good competitor hates to lose. But, he has to learn to handle it better.
Did he act like a "bitch"? I don't think so. But, I'd enjoy seeing some people tell him that in an alley away from cameras. Just like I saw some classy Bama fans call him Scam to his face after the Iron Bowl this year, of course in a big crowd and as they are walking by pretty fast.
Has this been blown out of proportion because it's Cam? Of course. If it was a lesser name player, I don't think this would even be an issue. It looks like something Jim McMahon would've done in the 80's to me.
Cam loves the spotlight and he's a sore loser. I don't care. I still love Cam because he's genuine. He loves kids and he's still one of the best QB's I've ever seen play.
This is how I feel.
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Not because everyone hates Cam.
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Dude gets treated to a different standard. He has since he played at Auburn. He has since it is "common knowledge" that he got away with getting $200,000 from Auburn and his preacher father covered for him.
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Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Dude gets treated to a different standard. He has since he played at Auburn. He has since it is "common knowledge" that he got away with getting $200,000 from Auburn and his preacher father covered for him.
Inflation?
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Reggie Bush feels slighted.
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Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Dude gets treated to a different standard. He has since he played at Auburn. He has since it is "common knowledge" that he got away with getting $200,000 from Auburn and his preacher father covered for him.
Inflation?
APR on $180,000.
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https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/peyton-cam/2981478
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Black Twitter is outraged at Cam for having the audacity to say we're beyond racism as a country and he doesn't think racism are his critics' primary motivation.
http://www.gq.com/story/cam-newton-versace-pants-race-and-football
Then the Panthers started winning—a lot—and all of a sudden maybe leadership wasn’t actually Cam Newton’s problem. “Only thing changed was that our record was pretty bad.†Then it was pretty good. It’s like whatever was essentially flawed in Cam was…not an essential flaw at all. It was a win-loss record. The more his team won, the more maybe Cam was a real leader after all. Playoffs three seasons in a row, Super Bowl last year. Cam showing up on your TV every Sunday like Tony Soprano garroting new victims. And meanwhile ostensible sports fans found new things to get upset about. He smiled on the field and on the sidelines. He danced after touchdowns. “The chest puffs. The pelvic thrusts. The arrogant struts,†hyperventilated a woman named Rosemary Plorin (who, to be fair, later apologized), again in a letter to The Charlotte Observer, a wonderful newspaper that’s kept its lights on during this difficult time for newspapers thanks in part to reactionary complaints about Cam Newton.
Reactionary—or, as Cam’s longtime backup quarterback Derek Anderson has put it, “flat-out racist.†An honest question: Can you name a contemporary athlete who has been subjected to more veiled and sometimes outright racism than Cam Newton? Is this even a controversial opinion, to think that Cam lives in a world of coded and not-so-coded critiques that basically boil down to resentment about the existence of such a sublime black quarterback?
Acording to Cam Newton, yes, actually. It is. “I don’t think of it like that,†he says. Shaking his head softly.
I want to be clear about a few things here. We’d met maybe 25 minutes prior—one of those situations where we’re both trying to talk about a lot of things in a relatively short amount of time. It’s amazing, the scale and duration of what Cam’s endured from the football public; it’s why I wanted to ask him about it. But faced with a national-magazine writer and a switched-on tape recorder, you too might say something other than what you really thought, if that thought seemed like a dangerous, potentially uncontrollable thing to share with a stranger. With a person whose motivations you couldn’t be sure of. Maybe today he woke up and felt like being just a quarterback, not a black quarterback. Maybe he feels fatigue at having to have this conversation with any random reporter who thinks he’s entitled to his thoughts on this subject. Maybe losing the Super Bowl, and hearing all the criticism of Cam Newton that poured out afterward, left him in a place where he just wanted to retreat, at least in front of a reporter, and for once in his life just not be responsible for explaining away the cruel and insinuating things that other people say about him. Maybe he just didn’t feel like participating in the whole economy of outrage that surrounds him today.
Actually, I know he didn’t feel like it, because this is how the rest of this conversation goes:
Your now former teammate Josh Norman said last year, “I’m going to be precise when I say it: It’s hate.â€
“His response may be somebody else’s response, but that’s not how I feel.â€
Do you feel like football fans are racist toward you?
“It’s not racism. Everybody’s entitled to their own opinion.â€
So if it’s not that, what is it, do you think?
“I’ll let you be the judge. I don’t look at it like that. I look at it like some people have certain beliefs, and I have my own belief, and we can agree to disagree on certain things. But this is what makes sports so amazing, that we can start a discussion around a table, in the newspaper, in the magazines, that will get people’s attention. And that’s what sports does.â€
In January, right before the Super Bowl, you said: “I’m an African-American quarterback that may scare a lot of people because they haven’t seen nothing that they can compare me to.â€
“I don’t want this to be about race, because it’s not. It’s not. Like, we’re beyond that. As a nation.â€
You really think so?
“Yeah. I mean, you bring it to people’s attention. But after that, that’s it.â€
Not saying Cam doesn’t mean what he says here. I couldn’t begin to know that. But I do know that he and his father, Cecil, have said and indicated otherwise as recently as four months ago. In April, after the Super Bowl, Cam gave an interview to Ebony and got to talking about the hoodie he’d worn during his Super Bowl press conference. He asked them if they would consider taking his photograph wearing a hoodie again. According to the magazine, Newton’s father explained to them why: “The hoodie can represent a lot of things as it pertains to a young Black man. Trayvon Martin. Black Lives Matter. Even as athletics can function as a leverage piece for African-American expression, it still points to the inequities that go on.â€
My guess, based on the few public quotes from Cam Newton and his dad on this subject, is that what Cecil told Ebony is more or less how Cam actually feels. But now, when I bring up this exchange in the magazine, this is what he says: “For what it’s worth, I really wear hoodies. Like, that’s a fact.â€
Is that why you wanted to wear it for the photo shoot, though?
“I know why I do certain things, and it’s because how it makes me feel. I’m comfortable in a lot of things that I wear, and wearing a hoodie happens to be one of those things.â€
Look—even by the standards of professional sports, the NFL is by far our most buttoned-down, militaristic, conservative, tyrannical, anti-individual league. Maybe it’s because it’s been so lucrative for so long. Maybe because it’s always been a capital-t, capital-g Team Game that has allowed for precious few flashes of individuality. The NBA is a collection of personalities, of aggressively civic-minded guys like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, and Carmelo Anthony, who began this year’s ESPYs broadcast with an urgent re-assertion of the value of black life. It’s a league of players who share opinions when they have them, even when those opinions are controversial, or fuck with the league’s money. Not the NFL. It prefers its stars to be anonymous pitchmen, or at worst, big and dumb and cuddly. There’s a rule about taking off your helmet on the field and actually showing your face. There’s a rule about excessive celebration. The league is so massively popular in part because it is scrupulous about never betraying a political opinion beyond an unwavering faith in American greatness. It’s a sport for men like Cam’s now retired Super Bowl 50 opponent Peyton Manning, who celebrated his last moments on a professional football field by seeking out the pizza CEO Papa John in the midst of a crowd and kissing the man’s flushed bronze cheek before kissing his own wife. A real-life deleted scene from Talladega Nights.
Meanwhile, Cam Newton’s most famous on-field gesture last year was the dab, a dance that comes from whatever the spiritual opposite of corporate America is. He hangs out with Future and Jeezy on the sidelines of Panthers games. He’s been spotted at the Atlanta strip club Follies. Is an outsize personality in a game that does its best to be devoid of human personality at all. And he knows this, the expectations the league has of him, the way they sometimes run counter to who he is as a person and as a man. “That’s the deal. Like, I knew this coming into the league. It’s a responsibility that I have that’s unbeknownst to anybody else. Or it’s like a pinnacle that you’re put on. People expect certain things from you. Undue things, and easy things. And that’s cool, you know. And that’s what I do now.â€
It’s arguably part of his job to look me in the eye and say that a hoodie is just an article of clothing. Which isn’t to say it’s not a choice. It very much is. But you could understand why he’d make it. Even if it’s dispiriting to hear. It’s probably dispiriting to say, too. To channel the most anodyne version of himself through conversations like the one below:
Do you have an opinion on Donald Trump?
“I don’t. I think he’s an unbelievable businessperson. That’s probably it. But outside of my personal belief, that’s just, you know, my personal belief.â€
Did you vote for the North Carolina governor that enacted that bathroom law?
“Um…that’s too personal. You know, I gain nothing by answering it.â€
I think the bill is repellent. I’m not trying to be coy.
“I love people too much to care about those type of things.â€
That’s exactly why it bothers me.
“I went to school to study sociology. You know, and that’s something that really gets my attention. I don’t look at things through color lenses. I don’t look at things through genetic images or whatever. Their sex. I just love the different type of vibes people bring. I try to alleviate any type of bad energy. But I could care less. I love a person because of who they are. And that’s who I am. So whatever you are personally, I don’t care. You know, if you a good person, you a good person. No matter what anything, from religion to politically to, you know, sex preferences—â€
Wouldn’t that be a reason not to vote for the North Carolina law?
“But that’s too personal. That’s when you put the microscope to the person. But overall, I don’t care. Man, in my circle, and especially growing up in Atlanta, you see everything!â€
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Black Twitter is outraged at Cam for having the audacity to say we're beyond racism as a country and he doesn't think racism are his critics' primary motivation.
http://www.gq.com/story/cam-newton-versace-pants-race-and-football
What will they do when they run out of people to hate?
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What will they do when they run out of people to hate?
spit on your grave?
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spit on your grave?
Not mine, barbecued and scattered into the wind.
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What will they do when they run out of people to hate?
Target whitey with violence. Oh wait...
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Target whitey with violence. Oh wait...
To lazy to leave their own hood, so they burn it down. Maybe I shouldn't complain. :haha:
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This. Fucking. Enrages me.
http://www.theroot.com/blog/the-grapevine/cam-newton-needs-to-get-on-outta-here-with-his-were-all-one-color-mess/
Here's the original clip. Just watch the first 2 minutes for the gist of it. Or watch Stephen A Smith blow a fucking gasket starting at 5:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaSK8Ioe4UE
Basically a large swath of people are ENRAGED that Cam said skin is superficial and preached racial harmony and equality.
The new definition of racism is now the exact opposite of the actual definition of racism.
:facepalm:
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Racism will NEVER die because of shit like this. Cam is exactly right, but because he went against what specific people wanted him to say, he's scared.
Bunch of bullshit, all of it.
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I heard Cam try to push our society forward with race relations.
I heard Smith scream "UNCLE TOM MOTHERFUCKER!"
In other words, same shit different day.
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This country amazes me.
And not to politicize this, but shit like this is what made Trump.
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This sounds great but how can you fight the fear if you're dead?
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You can't live in fear. You've got to rage against the machine.
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Come wit it now!
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Anger is a gift.
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Anger is a gift.
Only if you give it away.