What happens on Saturday November 16, 2015?
You mean Saturday, November 17?
You know what I respect about a guy like Mike Leach? He may be crazy as an outhouse rat but he does one thing consistently. He runs his offense. In spite of who he has on the field, sidelines, the opponent, or what happens on first down, he runs that wide open stuff all day, every day and makes no apologies for it.
So, why can't Auburn do this
Auburn DID that. In the midst of one of the cheating-est, most dominant dynasties in college football's history, Auburn punched it square in the mouth and put an old drunk in his grave.
And that was after a tumultuous Barfield era.
That's one of my main points. We chickened out of competing with Alabama once Saban got going.
And the result has been ass reamings, poor performances, and thank-god-says-Jay-Jacobs two bizarro seasons in the midst of one of the worst eras in Auburn history.
The PTB are proud of Jacobs, the jumbotron, ticket sales et al. Fuck worrying about Alabama. We got shelled by Les Miles, outgurued by Bert, chumped by Freeze and just saved a "damn fine man's" career. And if we are lucky or unlucky enough to beat Idaho, we get the honor of playing on Graymont Avenue. How cool is that?
Funny thing is it will probably be against CincinnatiYeah it could then be tagged the Shuttlesworth Jetgate Bowl to add insult to injury.
Guys Birmingham is beautiful in late December. :thumsup:
Post game party with Bhams best DJ?Wednesday night after party of the century. #epic #bananas
Funny thing is it will probably be against Cincinnati
actually as of now it looks our opponent in the Birmingham bowl would be Memphis. Houston. Temple or NavyWe'll have trouble beating any of those quality teams.
Wednesday night after party of the century. #epic #bananas
And after the party it's the after party.
5 Points here we come!The party is now in Lakeview.
The party is now in Lakeview.
And after the party it's the after party.
It's the freakin weekend, baby, I'm about to have me some fun!Toot toot!
I don't often agree with you on...well, anything. In this case though, you are spot on.
I hate watching Auburn football lately, knowing full well from the beginning that it will be the most painful thing I will do each week.
I hate that I don't even do that anymore. Walked into the clubhouse Sat, must have been at 1/2 time, was wearing my AU hat. Got told we were up 10-3 I think, all I could think of was how is Gus going to fuck this up?
Maybe its this season or the cumulative effect from last year to this year, but my Sat's are so much better not having to watch what has become the cluster fuck of Auburn football.
One of the reporters asked Coach Malzahn about why didn't Jovon play much in the 3rd qtr. Malzahn's response was something about rhythm and not getting first downs. Nevermind the fact that Jovon had a little under 100 years rushing IN THE FIRST HALF...nope, it's all about rhythm.
It's why I think he's done.
At some point, Gus Malzahn got a brain issue. This current version of Gus would have had started a two-quarterback system halfway through the 2010 season.
"Well, we let Cam do a lot, and we don't want to be have that 'on the road to victory' rhythm. So we're going to let Barrett Trotter play the 3rd quarter."
You are right. This is not the the Gus from 2 or 5 years ago. That Gus had fun. That Gus was cool and coached like there was no tomorrow. But now? He's dead inside. Why? That's where we will find our answer I'm afraid.
That Gus also was the hottest thing on the market. People wanted that Gus. Maybe this Gus doesn't know how to deal with failure?
But has he always coached like there was no tomorrow? What game am I describing: Auburn comes out, first two drives go up and down the field, gets 2 quick scores. Rest of the game? We get stuffed. Manage one fluke touchdown on a pass play. Sounds like just about every game this year or last year. It's the 2009 Iron Bowl. Could also be the 2009 UGA Game.
Maybe Gus is just an ok coach. Maybe he can script the hell out of the first two drives of a game, but sucks when the defensive coordinator can figure him out?
But like Jumbo said, if he thinks it's hot now, wait until we start the 2016 season 2-3.
A ton of questions. It's definitely changed. Saturday really got to me. Win or lose, I make the trek to God's country for just about every home game. Hell, I've been doing that for so many years, I'm used to the roller coaster ride. But Saturday was so much WTF? It was like we had slowly built this hint of momentum up over the last few weeks. There was this cautious optimism that this UGA team ain't all that and we seemed to have figured some things out on offense. We beat Georgia and handle our business against Idaho...the Iron Bowl could be a lot of damn fun.If Coach Malzahn doesn't get it straightened out, soon, Auburn University will be footing his bill while looking for another HC.
Then Saturday happened. You could have handed my 15 year old a list of plays and he would have called a better game. And he's only played Upwards Flag Football. That had nothing to do with the players. That was not 2012. These guys are playing their collective asses off. 2012...quit! That was the brain trust of Gus Malzahn and Rhett Lashlee. What has changed?
Gus is so fucking cocky that he thinks whatever bullshit he calls is going to work. Not in the sec.
Gus said yesterday they put Sean in the game because that was the plan before the game? So we're up 10-3 and running the ball effectively so just because you decided earlier in the week to play two qb's you start passing with an injured qb??
And don't forget, rolling him to the left.
And don't forget, rolling him to the left.
If Coach Malzahn doesn't get it straightened out, soon, Auburn University will be footing his bill while looking for another HC.This is my concern. This is why I'd much rather Gus get his shit together than this current trajectory of abject failure and showing him the door.
I'm thinking it's something internal. Stuff like that gets around quickly, in the coaching circle...it'll be hard to find a quality Head Coach.
This is my concern. This is why I'd much rather Gus get his shit together than this current trajectory of abject failure and showing him the door.
We are quickly becoming the joke of a coaching carousel that Bama was for a decade. At least Stallings had the dignity to retire before the DuBose/Franchione/Price/Shula/Kines laughing stock of instability. For us, you can count firing Tuberville as the beginning of the series of fuckups.
Bama was lucky enough (aren't they always "lucky enough"?) to have a Saban come along and end the embarrassment. Fans of every program in the country just think that that sort of hire that can turn the program around is probable. The fact of the matter is it almost never happens like that, and the more turnover there is, the less likely you are to get anyone remotely qualified to fill the position. USC, Texas, Michigan, etc. would have problems with this right now, and coaches trip over their dicks to coach at "established", "traditional" schools like that. Unfortunately, we ain't one of those. Oh and by the way, on a related note, if we fire Malzahn this year, we stand in line for sure behind USC, and possibly some of those other "power" schools for table scraps.
DuBose/Franchione/Price/Shula/Kines laughing stock of instability. For us, you can count firing Tuberville as the beginning of the series of fuckups.
This is my concern. This is why I'd much rather Gus get his shit together than this current trajectory of abject failure and showing him the door.
We are quickly becoming the joke of a coaching carousel that Bama was for a decade. At least Stallings had the dignity to retire before the DuBose/Franchione/Price/Shula/Kines laughing stock of instability. For us, you can count firing Tuberville as the beginning of the series of fuckups.
Bama was lucky enough (aren't they always "lucky enough"?) to have a Saban come along and end the embarrassment. Fans of every program in the country just think that that sort of hire that can turn the program around is probable. The fact of the matter is it almost never happens like that, and the more turnover there is, the less likely you are to get anyone remotely qualified to fill the position. USC, Texas, Michigan, etc. would have problems with this right now, and coaches trip over their dicks to coach at "established", "traditional" schools like that. Unfortunately, we ain't one of those. Oh and by the way, on a related note, if we fire Malzahn this year, we stand in line for sure behind USC, and possibly some of those other "power" schools for table scraps.
Going to tell y'all people like I tell my employees.
Don't bring me your problems. No offense but I really don't give one shit about your problem.
Bring me the problem and what your best suggestion on how to fix it. I may reject your advice and do something else entirely but a problem without some ideas on how to fix it isn't s problem at all. It's just you bitching. Nobody wants to hear that.
Learned that from an old boss of mine. It made me think through things before I went to him with an issue. Made me a better problem solver.
So. We know what the problems are. What fixes them?
Going to tell y'all people like I tell my employees.
Don't bring me your problems. No offense but I really don't give one shit about your problem.
Bring me the problem and what your best suggestion on how to fix it. I may reject your advice and do something else entirely but a problem without some ideas on how to fix it isn't s problem at all. It's just you bitching. Nobody wants to hear that.
Learned that from an old boss of mine. It made me think through things before I went to him with an issue. Made me a better problem solver.
So. We know what the problems are. What fixes them?
From 2009 through 2011 we all bitched because it seemed Gus would go full retard for at least one series in the second half. In 2015, it appears he only calls well for that one series...usually the first one of the game. The rest is full retard.
Why is that?
Does he owe the Gulilly family for some offshore bets he placed?
Did the REC steal his brain?
Will Batman make it in time to save Robin?
Tune in next Saturday to see Gus save the world for a quarter.
From 2009 through 2011 we all bitched because it seemed Gus would go full retard for at least one series in the second half. In 2015, it appears he only calls well for that one series...usually the first one of the game. The rest is full retard.
Why is that?
Does he owe the Gulilly family for some offshore bets he placed?
Did the REC steal his brain?
Will Batman make it in time to save Robin?
Tune in next Saturday to see Gus save the world for a quarter.
The play calling looked like it came from my neighbor down the street coaching his son's pee wee team.
The problem is no one knows what the problem is. We know there is a problem but to solve the problem, we've got to identify the problem. And that's a problem.The answer is to endure, recruit the best two dual threat QBs money can buy and do the right thing by releasing Johnson, White, Queen et al if they want out.
But srsly, the dilemma is figuring out why Gushlee would call a game like he/they did Saturday. Auburn was better than Georgia. The defense played the best overall game they've played since Tommy Tuberville left. The play calling looked like it came from my neighbor down the street coaching his son's pee wee team. Then, putting a one-legged QB in and sitting your hottest back on the bench. Why? What changed?
and coaches trip over their dicks to coach at "established", "traditional" schools like that. Unfortunately, we ain't one of those. Oh and by the way, on a related note, if we fire Malzahn this year, we stand in line for sure behind USC, and possibly some of those other "power" schools for table scraps.
So this is Auburn vs our 6 consistent SEC opponents: Bama, Arkansas, UGA, LSU, MSST and Ole Miss.
1996-2007 with 2.5 years Bowden and 9 years Tubbs
Auburn 44-28 against these teams. Won 61% of the time.
2008-2015. 1 year Tubbs, 4 Chizik, 3 Gus (figuring Bama loss)
Auburn 19-29. Won only 40% of the time.
2008-2015 (excluding 2010 and 2013)
Auburn 8-28. Won a mere 22% of the time.
I keep seeing this concession from Auburn fans.Tubs and Gran can't mismanage this offense to the point it is now.
We ARE one of those traditional, established programs.
No, we aren't USC. But we're right up there.
We're higher than Texas. We're higher than South Carolina, Missouri, and Miami (FL).
We're one of the top programs in the best conference in the country. We sit in the middle of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. We have the money to spend on whatever we want. We have the most undefeated seasons of any SEC school in the last 25 years. We have a history of winning SEC championships. We've won one and played for two national championships in the past five years. We have three Heisman winners. We have multiple #1 overall draft picks. We as recently as 2009 had one of the highest number of players in the NFL out of the whole country. Two of the top ten overall players in college football history have put on the orange and blue. We're consistently in the top ten of recruiting rankings. We have one of if not the best mascot in the country. We have a passionate fanbase that shows up even when the season is lost. We have one of the loudest stadiums in the country.
The mindset that Auburn cannot compete for the best coaches is completely wrong. We have everything to sell. You want it? You can have it. Don't want to compete with Nick Saban? Then we shouldn't want you anyway.
We hired Chizik for all the wrong reasons. We changed our entire philosophy and atmosphere for all the wrong reasons. We keep acting like Little Brothers when we have no reason to.
I think that's Jay Jacobs biggest issue. The guy has a loser mentality. The lone voice at the airport could not have been more correct when he shouted, "We want a winner not a loser!"
I could go on. I could go on about how a few schools can play muscle ball and NFL-style and win. I could go on about how we were and are one of those schools. About how jet sweeps, bubble screens, and read-options aren't our only options. About how Auburn has never needed to have a dick contest with jumbotrons and recruiting weekends to have success. About how Auburn under Tuberville was a hell of a lot better than we've been the last seven years.
About how I stole this from elsewhere:
We said the same thing in 2008. That firing Tuberville would be a risk because we weren't sure if we could haul in a top coach and the PTB believed it too. They hired Chizik and dumped us into a landfill.
I think Ole Miss used us as a stepping stool to get out of it.
I keep seeing this concession from Auburn fans.I'm just saying, we can't keep pulling the rug out from all of our coaches at the rate we are and expect great coaches to be eager to sign up to be next on the executioner's block.
We ARE one of those traditional, established programs.
No, we aren't USC. But we're right up there.
We're higher than Texas. We're higher than South Carolina, Missouri, and Miami (FL).
We're one of the top programs in the best conference in the country. We sit in the middle of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. We have the money to spend on whatever we want. We have the most undefeated seasons of any SEC school in the last 25 years. We have a history of winning SEC championships. We've won one and played for two national championships in the past five years. We have three Heisman winners. We have multiple #1 overall draft picks. We as recently as 2009 had one of the highest number of players in the NFL out of the whole country. Two of the top ten overall players in college football history have put on the orange and blue. We're consistently in the top ten of recruiting rankings. We have one of if not the best mascot in the country. We have a passionate fanbase that shows up even when the season is lost. We have one of the loudest stadiums in the country.
The mindset that Auburn cannot compete for the best coaches is completely wrong. We have everything to sell. You want it? You can have it. Don't want to compete with Nick Saban? Then we shouldn't want you anyway.
We hired Chizik for all the wrong reasons. We changed our entire philosophy and atmosphere for all the wrong reasons. We keep acting like Little Brothers when we have no reason to.
I think that's Jay Jacobs biggest issue. The guy has a loser mentality. The lone voice at the airport could not have been more correct when he shouted, "We want a winner not a loser!"
I could go on. I could go on about how a few schools can play muscle ball and NFL-style and win. I could go on about how we were and are one of those schools. About how jet sweeps, bubble screens, and read-options aren't our only options. About how Auburn has never needed to have a dick contest with jumbotrons and recruiting weekends to have success. About how Auburn under Tuberville was a hell of a lot better than we've been the last seven years.
About how I stole this from elsewhere:
We said the same thing in 2008. That firing Tuberville would be a risk because we weren't sure if we could haul in a top coach and the PTB believed it too. They hired Chizik and dumped us into a landfill.
I think Ole Miss used us as a stepping stool to get out of it.
I'm just saying, we can't keep pulling the rug out from all of our coaches at the rate we are and expect great coaches to be eager to sign up to be next on the executioner's block.
I'm just saying, we can't keep pulling the rug out from all of our coaches at the rate we are and expect great coaches to be eager to sign up to be next on the executioner's block.
We would owe Gus a buyout just south of 9M.
So we keep him. He gets a dual purpose triggerman and we can only hope Will hangs around.
That's as good as it gets...for now and the near future, and I hate it.
What he said... better strap on your big boy pants, cause I don't believe we can afford to fire Gus even next year. I think we have him until at least the 2017 season, for good or bad.
We would owe Gus a buyout just south of 9M.
So we keep him. He gets a dual purpose triggerman and we can only hope Will hangs around.
That's as good as it gets...for now and the near future, and I hate it.
My question still remains, will Rhett be the fall guy for this season and be shown the door? I mean, if we are talking about the same good ol' boy mentality then I'm going to say yes, yes he will.
I dunno I will sign-up to get canned and get a big payout. Honestly I don't think this is as much of an issue as folks believe. I do agree though that this year is not the best to be looking for head coaches.This is all part of the same problem.
It also causes big-time stability issues.
If he leaves I don't think he will be shown the door, he will be allowed to take another position at whogivesafucku.
but I'm here to tell you we are not anyone's first pick in that sea of vacancies, ESPECIALLY once we've earned a reputation for being a destination where promising coaches go to get fired in a few years and have their careers ruined.
I think Gus aspires to be an NFL coach, and is trying to run his offense with pro style players instead of the type of personnel that best fits his system. He's not far removed from being a high school coach. He's won a championship at both HS and College level, maybe in his mind he wants to be the coach who makes the the read option successful in the NFL. Chip isn't getting it done with the Eagles, maybe Gus thinks he can do it. Or wants to do it. And feels like he has to prove his system can work with big NFL bodies like Jeremy Johnson.
IMO he would be far worse than Chip Kelly w/o control over personnel decisions.
Gus would be an epic failure at the pro level. He would get raked over the coals by his players for the shit he has pulled this year in reference to his play calling.
You people don't know jack squat. The bubble screen was tailor-made to be successful in the NFL. With the slow corners and LB's they have in that league, a bubble screen would getcha' 20+ every time. But the key to a good bubble screen is setting it up with a run up the middle on every first down. It takes an offensive guru (or two) to know when to make these calls.
I checked. None of those guys made it even close to a championship. So lets not get all hysterical just yet!SEC or National Championship?
It should be noted that the majority of the losses in this treacherous 2015 season have been due to poor playcalling, poor player development, and poor substitutions, all on offense.
It should be noted that the majority of the losses in this treacherous 2015 season have been due to poor playcalling, poor player development, and poor substitutions, all on offense.
You don't need a comma before "and".I didn't write it. I completely stole it from some guy on TigersX.
DAMN SKIPPY
My opinion, we should cut ties before it gets even fucking worse... And Jay Jacobs should be fired based solely on the fact that he approved Malzahn's current buyout.
We WERE one of the top programs in the best conference in the country.
We should, but we also can't.As I've said before, once Coach Malzahn gets a Dual Threat QB, he'll be back to his old self. Gimpy and Dufus will be card holders or placekick holders.
Chad has a great point. We can't just fire coaches the moment something looks off. Malzahn will get and deserves another year.
But like you and I think, it's not going to get better. Maybe it will. Hopefully it will. Maybe hopefully not. Maybe this needs to completely destruct like in 2012 and maybe we'll get rid of this shit system. Maybe a 9 win season next season is the worst thing that can happen to us.
As I've said before, once Coach Malzahn gets a Dual Threat QB, he'll be back to his old self. Gimpy and Dufus will be card holders or placekick holders.
Gus is an asshole listen to that bitches press conference. He's and asshole that doesn't win like saban.Hold on there kid. No need to get hysterical... not yet anyway.
On basically not playing the back in the second half who averaged 9.5 yards per carry in the first....
"I think (Robinson) got four (carries) in the second half," Auburn head coach Gus Malzahn said Tuesday. "Peyton, we went with him and we've got confidence in both of them. That was our thinking."
On putting in a one-legged QB when you're up 10-3..... (Yes, I think this was posted already)
"We knew we were going to play both quarterbacks," he said. "We made that call before the game and just felt like that was a good time to put him in there. We felt like we had some good opportunities in the passing game. We went three-and-out and it obviously didn't work out, but that was our thought process."
Sooooo....you really can't explain going with Barber over Robinson. I honestly think he doesn't know why he did it. And you had already made the decision to play a QB who could barely jog on to the field in his knee brace. So you played him regardless of the situation. That was your thought process?
We should, but we also can't.
Chad has a great point. We can't just fire coaches the moment something looks off. Malzahn will get and deserves another year.
But like you and I think, it's not going to get better. Maybe it will. Hopefully it will. Maybe hopefully not. Maybe this needs to completely destruct like in 2012 and maybe we'll get rid of this shit system. Maybe a 9 win season next season is the worst thing that can happen to us.
Chad is right.
And Prowler probably is too in re to the dual threat coming in. Its obvious JJ was a misfire, and anything Gus does is predicated on the QB play. Neither of our QBs are dual threats. When it went to shit first game, the house of cards fell. This season has simply been trying to see if ANYTHING works and tread water until JF III comes in next year. I do think you will see things get better with this type QB.
I understand people are upset, but I think we need to take a deep breath and chillax for a second. As Chad said, we start firing any coach we have the second something isnt all kosher, then we dig our own hole deeper.
Pretty much agree with all of this except the opinion that our current QBs are lost causes.
White, when healthy and getting some help from his WRs, is plenty talented to run this offense.
JJ showed flashes of his old/predicted self at A&M.
As I've said before, once Coach Malzahn gets a Dual Threat QB, he'll be back to his old self. Gimpy and Dufus will be card holders or placekick holders.]The getting a good QB argument is horse shit. What is usually the first of second pick in the NFL draft? A fucking quarterback. Look at what Mike Shula is doing with Cam; it's easy to win with a good QB and Gus has failed to get one in the third year of his tenure.
We're a QB away from being a 1 loss team.
Would love to believe that but Ark and OM were on the D. Ya cant give up 1000 yards in 2 games and win.True. I meant to imply that, if the D were playing at the current level, we would probably only be a 1 loss. Obviously, they've improved steadily. Still, not where they can be.
Would love to believe that but Ark and OM were on the D. Ya cant give up 1000 yards in 2 games and win.
Yes. But if you hold onto the ball a bit longer, they don't get the chance to put up those yards. Its a symbiotic relationship.
My point to that useless diatribe was to say first off, this is why all the "experts" and fans on message boards alike said that Gus Malzahn could adjust his offense around his QB's strengths. He's done it plenty of times in the past. Has he had failures? You betcher Kadril he has. But far more successes with a variety of different styles of QB and offenses. That's why this season or more specifically, why things like this past Saturday just bumfuzzle the shit out of me. Saturday wasn't QB development or lack thereof. We could have won with JJ and probably won easily. He and the whole offense were handcuffed by play calling. Why? What has changed?
With ya 100% on this as is CCTAU, we have been saying it looks like he keeps pressing for a Nick Marshall style offense...Why? We never had that till Marshall came, he always appeared to me who could coach an offense with the players he had. Not one style of offense that needs a certain player.
Was it smoke an mirrors? Is it Lashlee? From my folks Gus is the one doing the play calling.
And while we went to a MNC game with Marshall, we also lost 7 games in those 2 years. Granted, not really the offenses fault in most of those, but the Nick Marshall style QB and offense is not a guarantee of success...especially if the man calling the plays is suffering from cranial-rectal inversion.Very good point. We got killed at LSU that year. The only reason we ran the table the last part of the year is the newness of the mid season offense, apparently it took Gus all of fall camp and three games to figure out Nick Marshall was a better runner than thrower.
And while we went to a MNC game with Marshall, we also lost 7 games in those 2 years. Granted, not really the offenses fault in most of those, but the Nick Marshall style QB and offense is not a guarantee of success...especially if the man calling the plays is suffering from cranial-rectal inversion.
What does the Lion King have to do with any of this?
I think we're putting way too much stock in Malzahn having to have that true read option guy to be successful. And I don't fault him one bit for taking JJ or Sean White. Sean was the Elite 11 winner and JJ is/was 6'5" 240, Mr. Foosballz with sick numbers. Nobody saw that coming with him. And I don't think Gus ever was looking for the next Nick Marshall. He may be now.
In addition, Gus has been doing this at the D1 level long enough now to not be "just a high school coach".
Arkansas: Fugetaboutit. That was all Nuttzo. They didn't run anything that even remotely resembled what Malzahn runs.
Tulsa: Did they have Nick Marshall? Nope. Did they have Cam? Newp. Did he ever have a read option QB? Nada. The QB's at Tulsa ran about 8-9 times a game and barely had 100 yard each on the season. Were they at the top of the heap in virtually every offensive category in...the...nation both years? Ha Ha Ha...yooooouuu betcha'.
Auburn: Chris Todd? Really? Chris Todd? There was no read option. The guy could barely get outside the tackle box to throw one away. But guess what? That bunch set several Auburn offensive records. (At that time. Since broken)
Then comes Cam. Was it more of a read option? I'd say so. Did it look anything like what he had Marshall running? Not to me, it didn't. Cam was special. He could do it all and they eventually did have him doing it all. He'd sit in the pocket and throw. He'd run the read. He did a ton of just skrate up Wildcat. After Cam, Gene said slow it down.
Arkansas State: 9-3. Ryan Aplin ran about 8 times a game. Threw for over 3,300 yards with 24 TD's and 4 Int's. Hardly a true read option QB.
Back To Auburn: For the first time in Malzahn's career, he has a QB whose running skills far exceed his passing ability, and Gus gears the offense to take full advantage. Marshall was an adequate passer to start with but developed into a pretty decent all around QB by the time his career was over.
My point to that useless diatribe was to say first off, this is why all the "experts" and fans on message boards alike said that Gus Malzahn could adjust his offense around his QB's strengths. He's done it plenty of times in the past. Has he had failures? You betcher Kadril he has. But far more successes with a variety of different styles of QB and offenses. That's why this season or more specifically, why things like this past Saturday just bumfuzzle the shit out of me. Saturday wasn't QB development or lack thereof. We could have won with JJ and probably won easily. He and the whole offense were handcuffed by play calling. Why? What has changed?
What were the records of those teams that didnt have a dual threat vs the ones of those teams that did? I'll hang up and lissen. Although NM had an 8 win season last year, only 1 of those losses was on the O (UGA). The rest of those teams with traditional non running Qbs were 6-9 win teams. NM and Cam ran offenses had much higher ceilings and were more dynamic.
Point being....he will have winning seasons with traditional QBs. Mitch Cumstain, Paul Smith, Appling, Todd, Trotter, even White/JJ. But when we have a real dual threat, his teams really do special things. Which is what the expectation was this year.
Question: Does anyone on this board know for a fact that Lashlee is unpopular among the other coaches?
Have heard varying opinions.
Beyond regarding Lashlee like a little brother it looks as if Gus feels as if he's irreplaceable, leaning on him heavily.
Maybe he's the stand-in, confidant, sounding board, personal assistant, dinner guest or whatever...maybe he even holds Gus together while he does all of that wonderful non- coaching stuff a guy in his position must do. It's a stressful job I would imagine.
Just saying but if the AD had provided w/o interfering before thinking as we all did, that Gus would turn it around; it's likely as it so happens for HC's in a skid at other programs for changes to be made, maybe even the toughest decision Gus has ever had to make. And as far as I am aware Gus hasn't ever experienced losing like this before and I'm sure his confidence is shaken, much like Jeremy Johnson's. So I'm just kicking it around and wondered if any of you had thought this could become a problem or even a solution.
Question: Does anyone on this board know for a fact that Lashlee is unpopular among the other coaches?
Have heard varying opinions.
Beyond regarding Lashlee like a little brother it looks as if Gus feels as if he's irreplaceable, leaning on him heavily.
Maybe he's the stand-in, confidant, sounding board, personal assistant, dinner guest or whatever...maybe he even holds Gus together while he does all of that wonderful non- coaching stuff a guy in his position must do. It's a stressful job I would imagine.
Just saying but if the AD had provided w/o interfering before thinking as we all did, that Gus would turn it around; it's likely as it so happens for HC's in a skid at other programs for changes to be made, maybe even the toughest decision Gus has ever had to make. And as far as I am aware Gus hasn't ever experienced losing like this before and I'm sure his confidence is shaken, much like Jeremy Johnson's. So I'm just kicking it around and wondered if any of you had thought this could become a problem or even a solution.
Still lissenin? Tulsa won 10 in 2007. Tulsa won 11 in 2008. Arky State won 9 in 2012.
One of the years with our duel threat QBs....we had Super Freakin Man at the helm. Hell, he is undefeated this year in Shula's system. We were 20 and 7 under Marshall with several of those wins being miracle finishes. Not saying we didn't have some potent offenses under Marshall but they weren't the crowning achievement in Malzahns career.
I hear the players LOVE Lash. They think CGM is a weird ass dude.
But I'm not sure what the other coaches think. It is clear that the players play their asses off.
Maybe this season is exactly what it looks like, an anomaly.
Who knows? We do know he has one more season to fix it.
Lissen here Flex. Wait...what was I gonna say?
Oh yeah... just sayin on average his teams have won more games on average with that type of QB is all. Teams without one tend to be more hit and miss, in that 6-10 average. With? 8, 12, 14.
I will punch you in the forehead...hard.
Then start my WOD with a set of squat thruster burpee kip ups while eating a protein bar. Bro!
Lets start out with 14 stompee jazzles, then we will segway into a Blackadakka Roundabout Suicide Circleplex Circuit for 6 rounds. After that we will cool down with some Eggbeater Hoppy Hop Skips x10! Protein Smoothies to follow....BRO!
You spelled dual wrong, dipshit. This is not a fencing match we are discussing.
On guard!
It's the QB.
Cam Newton and Barrett Trotter were dueling for the #1 spot....but Trotter was no threat. Hence, duel threat.
Boom. That just happened. Who has egg on their face now?
Drops mic
Cam Newton and Barrett Trotter were dueling for the #1 spot....but Trotter was no threat. Hence, duel threat.Haha
Boom. That just happened. Who has egg on their face now?
Drops mic
Haha
Here's a thought.
Malzahn is a fantastic coordinator. Proved that. He had ONE FUCKING YEAR of head coaching experience at a mid major before he took this job.
First year in he coordinated his ass off. That's all he had to do.
But that's not what a head coach in the SEC does. Everything else takes away from it.
We know he's a good coordinator. One of the best. But he simply may not be capable of doing that and also running a program. We damn sure had no idea whether he could when he got here. Thanks, Jay.
Here's a thought.Same with Coach Chizik and Coach Strong at Texas. Some coaches are just great coordinators, but bad Head Coaches.
Malzahn is a fantastic coordinator. Proved that. He had ONE FUCKING YEAR of head coaching experience at a mid major before he took this job.
First year in he coordinated his ass off. That's all he had to do.
But that's not what a head coach in the SEC does. Everything else takes away from it.
We know he's a good coordinator. One of the best. But he simply may not be capable of doing that and also running a program. We damn sure had no idea whether he could when he got here. Thanks, Jay.
So, the question becomes....what changed? He still had to be the Head Corch that whole year too, right? Nobody said, "You just concentrate on the offense and we'll take care of the rest". Look, he's done all the right things on the outside. Did anyone question coming in to this year that he assembled one of the best coaching staffs in all of college football? Hell no! Garner. Craig. Thompson. MUSCHAMP!!!
I have no idea what the answer is. From my arm-chair QB perspective, the whole thing looks simple. 3 things.
1. Change the weight room philosophy for your interior linemen on both sides of the ball. ASS MOVES MASS. The rest is fine.
2. Keep the faith that the D under Muschamp will continue to improve. It is. It will continue.
3. Trust your damn instincts as an offensive coordinator. Don't back off. Balls to the wall. Run what you know. Regardless of the QB. You've adjusted a dozen time but the overall philosophy remains the same. Adjust to your QB's strengths and weaknesses and run your O...fast and furious. That's what we hired! That's what we expect!!!
So, the question becomes....what changed? He still had to be the Head Corch that whole year too, right? Nobody said, "You just concentrate on the offense and we'll take care of the rest". Look, he's done all the right things on the outside. Did anyone question coming in to this year that he assembled one of the best coaching staffs in all of college football? Hell no! Garner. Craig. Thompson. MUSCHAMP!!!
I have no idea what the answer is. From my arm-chair QB perspective, the whole thing looks simple. 3 things.
1. Change the weight room philosophy for your interior linemen on both sides of the ball. ASS MOVES MASS. The rest is fine.
2. Keep the faith that the D under Muschamp will continue to improve. It is. It will continue.
3. Trust your damn instincts as an offensive coordinator. Don't back off. Balls to the wall. Run what you know. Regardless of the QB. You've adjusted a dozen time but the overall philosophy remains the same. Adjust to your QB's strengths and weaknesses and run your O...fast and furious. That's what we hired! That's what we expect!!!
It warrants saying...
Nothing specific has been mentioned on Jacobs other than he's arrogant, grants raises that result in extreme buyouts along with the monster board erected. One would assume the monetary decisions are subject to approval by the PTB. We don't have to love him. And I haven't read one thing to make me think he is being counterproductive to Gus Malzahn's success as the Auburn HC.
Speaking of buyouts, Les Miles has a 15 million dollar buyout.
Bitches:We can and do run the ball fairly well at times only to get a shitty negative play we can't overcome. Agree with Prowler that we need a dual threat QB, actually two.
If you've ever owned a jalopy, maybe you'll relate to this. You can fix busted lights, add chrome to the engine, bondo the dents and run high octane gas. But until you have the transmission rebuilt, it will still slip going up a hill. Won't ride worf a diddly bop.
QB is our transmission.When it gets fixed, we are smooth.
Hopefully, JUCO dude is the answer.
Unless JJ or White miraculously develop touch and speed, I don't see it happening with either of them.
A healthy White, maybe. But JJ? I can't see. Maybe as an ASU Hornet.
You haven't seen him smarming on the sidelines. The man oozes cheese. He's dumber than a load of topsoil. He's a rube. You can put a rube in expensive suits and get him all the hair product out there. He's still a rube.You keep this up and 70 something Patrick Fain Dye will get wind of this, crawl in his pickup, leave the tree farm in Notasuga and hunt you down intent on whooping that ass for soiling his boys name.
Jacobs is the problem. He's unprofessional. He's in love with the sound of his own voice.
It warrants saying...
Nothing specific has been mentioned on Jacobs other than he's arrogant, grants raises that result in extreme buyouts along with the monster board erected. One would assume the monetary decisions are subject to approval by the PTB. We don't have to love him. And I haven't read one thing to make me think he is being counterproductive to Gus Malzahn's success as the Auburn HC.
You are obviously very lacking on eyesight and info if you don't think jacobs and his cohorts/ptb have (and ever have had in the past) any effect on a coach's performance or pysche. Even before Jacobs it went on (see Jetgate). It has an effect. It takes a special coach to be at both Auburn and Alabama with the shit that goes on and the pressure. Like K said, thats one thing Saban did was relegate their PTB to a supporting cast role and get everyone on the same place. He runs that place.I would be shocked if the rube in a suit wasn't an arrogant fuck. But it still does nothing to prove that he's meddling where he isn't wanted or fails to deliver what is needed to succeed.
Someone tell me what they do to hinder our football program. Seriously, I want to know. I hang up and lissen.
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Asked. Answered. Boom.
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Ok. He is a puffed up self aggrandized carnival barker.
But we aren't losing football games due to his presence.
I contend that we are.I dislike the wildcat, the play selection and the personnel choices on offense. We limit the playbook, abandon the run and don't utilize a TE.
I dislike the wildcat, the play selection and the personnel choices on offense. We limit the playbook, abandon the run and don't utilize a TE.
I dislike the wildcat, the play selection and the personnel choices on offense. We limit the playbook, abandon the run and don't utilize a TE.
What is that?
Ok. He is a puffed up self aggrandized carnival barker.
But we aren't losing football games due to his presence.
I dislike the wildcat, the play selection and the personnel choices on offense. We limit the playbook, abandon the run and don't utilize a TE.
You are still describing SYMPTOMS. Not the cause.
And why do you dislike the wildcat this year?
You are still describing SYMPTOMS. Not the cause.I hate the wildcat every year. Get a dual threat QB and learn to call redzone plays. I want my starter to keep his confidence. Why introduce a glorified wideout into the game?
And why do you dislike the wildcat this year?
Good points. Carry on.I can see Malzahn fucking up counselor. But simply calling JJ a big fat liar on the playground doesn't cut it. Specifics as to why Gus is failing-that's the crux.
I hate the wildcat every year. Get a dual threat QB and learn to call redzone plays. I want my starter to keep his confidence. Why introduce a glorified wideout into the game?
I can see Malzahn fucking up counselor. But simply calling JJ a big fat liar on the playground doesn't cut it. Specifics as to why Gus is failing-that's the crux.
As far as I know, Jeremy Johnson hasn't lied about anything and I think he's a little old for the playground.
Now Kerryon.
My wayward son
I can see Malzahn fucking up counselor. But simply calling JJ a big fat liar on the playground doesn't cut it. Specifics as to why Gus is failing-that's the crux.
Its worked for more first downs this year with KJ than Ive ever seen it work for at any point.No starter wants to be removed because the HC gets a wild hare.
As far as I know, Jeremy Johnson hasn't lied about anything and I think he's a little old for the playground.
Now Kerryon.
Playgrounds are cool.
Signed,
Jared Fogle
Playgrounds are cool.
Signed,
Jared Fogle
Ahh. So now we are back to the TE issue!
As far as off the field, I do know for a fact that he's an arrogant, smug sunuvabich. I also know that NFL scouts regularly make fun of him for not knowing his ass from a hole in the ground.