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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on October 08, 2012, 09:49:21 AM
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Thought about this a lot this weekend. Not mad. Not anything really. Feel very much like I did back in the Barfield days. Hope things will get better but don't see how. Frankly, this is substantially worse than any abominaion Barfield ever shat.
The problem is that this is so fucked up that there may be no way to unfuck it. Jay Jacobs is the problem. He's put us in a situation that is so much worse than probation, worse even than the Penn State debacle.
Let's look just at football -- ignoring the fact that every revenue sport is worse off than the day that mugging fuckload became AD -- and examine the ways he's fucked us over.
1) Tuberville. Jacobs didn't like him. According to who you listen to he may have actively worked to undermine him. This resulted in Tubs becoming an isolationist and closing ranks, keeping only those loyal to him close. His departure was unceremonious and not befitting of the successful legacy he built at Auburn.
2) Muschamp. Did Jacobs really fuck with his contract leading him to bolt in anger? Rumors persist. If so? More meddling that damaged the program.
3) The coaching hire. "We're going to conduct a national search and find the best coach in the country." Liar. It's okay if you're just going to go get the guy you liked from church, but don't hand us a shit sandwich and try to pretend it's peanut butter. The lying was condescending.
4) The buyout. In June of 2011, Jacobs established his legacy by providing a $10 million buyout for Chizik. The biggest buyout in college athletics. Yes it drops every year but it's still $3.5 in 2014. What was this mega buyout for? To keep all those programs who were after Chizik from getting to him? * crickets * Nope. The buyout was an ego move by the most pompous ass on the Auburn campus -- Jay Dumbfuck Jacobs. This was Jay's "fuck you" to anybody who doubted his brilliance in hiring Chizik. it was his ultimate "look at me" moment.
So what now? Herbstriet started the national mantra a week or two ago. Damn the facts. Forget that Auburn is the second-most successful SEC team over the last 35 years (in wins and losses and winning percentage). Ignore that no SEC team has more undefeated seasons over the last 35 years than we do. Just who the hell do we think we are? We're average fucking Auburn. We're not Alabama or Florida or LSU. We're a notch above Mississippi State and now we're going to have the unmitigated gall to be so ungrateful to Chizik that we dare criticize the man who brought us our only successful season in five decades!?!?!?!?! Just who the fuck do we think we ARE? Watch for that to be repeated by state and local media repeatedly. Great opportunity to reinforce that AU is second tier.
We axe Chizik now and it costs us money. Not nearly as much as this abortion will cost in lost revenue, but still the perception is there. And with the national media hammering at our unwarranted sense of entitlement it will be hard to attract anybody with the right combination to unfuck this fuckery. With Jacobs at the helm? It likely can't be unfucked at all.
But let's say it can. How does it get unfucked?
One way. Not giving a shit. Want to be an elite program? Act like one. Give no shits whatsoever. I hate to use Alabama as an example but they didn't give a shit. DuBose won the SEC? Nice. Fuck you and leave. Shula won 10 games and had Bama 'back' on the cover of SI? That's right. Fuck you and don't let the door hit your legacy ass as you go. They kept fucking up and kept not giving a shit about what anybody said until they found the right guy for their program. Didn't give a shit what the media called them or him.
Chizik is not the right guy. Great offense masked multitudinous problems on defense, off the field and in team management. We, like Jay the Buffoon, chose not to see what should have been apparent. We're fans. He's not. But he administrates like one. Like a fan of a man and a fan of his own ego.
This is a fuck of cluster proportions. We've allowed Jacobs to make a mess so fucking big that Penn State is pointing and laughing. All they've got is an old guy who fucked little kids, a dead coke bottle coach and 950 years of probation. We're worse off than they are.
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I can't say I disagree on any point. Let me ask this question in regard to the craptacular defense we have been consistently seeing for the last 4 years?
What is the difference between 2003-04 and now? Chizik didn't just forget how to play defense or how to get the right people to do so. Everyone pretty well agrees that CTT was a CEO type of a coach that let his assistants run their respective shows. Had Chizik just been Roofied too much from the get go?
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I can't say I disagree on any point. Let me ask this question in regard to the craptacular defense we have been consistently seeing for the last 4 years?
What is the difference between 2003-04 and now? Chizik didn't just forget how to play defense or how to get the right people to do so. Everyone pretty well agrees that CTT was a CEO type of a coach that let his assistants run their respective shows. Had Chizik just been Roofied too much from the get go?
It's player development.
It's not the defensive schemes. We've heard before that for the last four years, our defense has had to play a lot of zone and give a lot of cushion and not blitz too often because we haven't had the players to do anything else.
Three years ago, I bought into that. Two, I bought into it because our offense scored so much that we could afford to play softer, more opportunistic defense. Last year? Ok, I'm still on board. Lots of young talent. This year? It's reality.
The reality is that Chizik doesn't develop players. That starts with team discipline (not just knowing what to do when someone gets arrested or misses practice or whatever), fostering a desire to improve (not just a desire to win), and carrying out policies consistently (polices that make sense and not silly ones like lining helmets up along the sideline).
To K's point, Chizik is absolutely right with his tired annual speech. "This place was great before you got here."
I never liked that pregame speech by the way.
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I can't say I disagree on any point. Let me ask this question in regard to the craptacular defense we have been consistently seeing for the last 4 years?
What is the difference between 2003-04 and now? Chizik didn't just forget how to play defense or how to get the right people to do so. Everyone pretty well agrees that CTT was a CEO type of a coach that let his assistants run their respective shows. Had Chizik just been Roofied too much from the get go?
Name a defensive coordinator under Tuberville who sucked.
There were people in Texas glad to see Chizik's bend-don't-break philosophy go. Did he have that same style at AU? I don't remember. Doesn't seem so, but I don't know.
His defenses at ISU were among the worst in the sorry history of that school. Two of the five worst defenses in the eternity of ISU football were authored by him. Three of the three worst defenses in Auburn history have his handprints on them.
You can't ignore 2010. I understand that. But you can't ignore everything else either.
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Agree with all points. So with a limited selection of coaches to pick from, do we get rid of Jacobs and get CTT back? Don't think Dye and Tubbs relationship is all that great, but bringing Tubbs back and giving him full reign might get Dye out of the picture. It also goes along with the don't give a fuck attitude.
Like it or not CTT has done more for Auburn since Dye. He rebuilt the program and handled Alabama for years until Jetgate came along.
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Agree with all points. So with a limited selection of coaches to pick from, do we get rid of Jacobs and get CTT back? Don't think Dye and Tubbs relationship is all that great, but bringing Tubbs back and giving him full reign might get Dye out of the picture. It also goes along with the don't give a fuck attitude.
Like it or not CTT has done more for Auburn since Dye. He rebuilt the program and handled Alabama for years until Jetgate came along.
He's already indicated his interest.
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Let's look just at football -- ignoring the fact that every revenue sport is worse off than the day that mugging fuckload became AD -- and examine the ways he's fucked us over.
I'm sorry, I can't ignore this.
Look what he did with Swimming. We had the best fucking coach in the history of swimming, and he wanted an outdoor pool. Jacobs said no, and he left, in the middle of a dynasty. This would be like Bryant leaving Alabama in 1974.
Basketball is a fucking joke. Men's always kinda sucked, but they gave you hope they'd make the NIT, or maybe, just maybe, the NCAA. Now? I'm happy if we can return 3 starters from the year before.
We used to consistently make the NCAA tournament in baseball. Now? We're lucky if we get to Birmingham for the SEC tournament.
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You can't ignore 2010. I understand that. But you can't ignore everything else either.
I can. Cam was that good. No doubt without him we're in Atlanta on new years.
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I can. Cam was that good. No doubt without him we're in Atlanta on new years.
But as we've all said, even great coaches can fuck up great talent.
You're right, though. Without Cam (and the pieces around him) we lose to Clemson. We lose to Georgia. We lose to Arkansas. We lose to LSU. We lose to Alabama.
Kentucky and South Carolina were not givens.
God love Cam Newton and I thank that team for the crystal football, but if he'd been a Bulldog, Chizik would have been fired at the end of last season.
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But as we've all said, even great coaches can fuck up great talent.
You're right, though. Without Cam (and the pieces around him) we lose to Clemson. We lose to Georgia. We lose to Arkansas. We lose to LSU. We lose to Alabama.
Kentucky and South Carolina were not givens.
God love Cam Newton and I thank that team for the crystal football, but if he'd been a Bulldog, Chizik would have been fired at the end of last season.
He almost did! He didn't want cam. Said in his book that he was the best looking defensive line prospect he'd ever seen. He doesn't recruit juco qbs. Not part of the blueprint. Thank god luper talked him into it.
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I can't say I disagree on any point. Let me ask this question in regard to the craptacular defense we have been consistently seeing for the last 4 years?
What is the difference between 2003-04 and now? Chizik didn't just forget how to play defense or how to get the right people to do so. Everyone pretty well agrees that CTT was a CEO type of a coach that let his assistants run their respective shows. Had Chizik just been Roofied too much from the get go?
Seriously, people need to forget Goddamn schemes. (Unlike Prowler's stupid assertions that this could be solved by having fans "play call" because they're smarter) This is far bigger. Every "scheme" we've ever run was Xs and Os sound. Every "play call" made last Saturday, on paper, was sound. Chiz hasn't forgotten shit. He lets his coordinators coach. It's about how he implements the entire program. How they practice. How they prepare. Nobody questions BVGs "scheme" because it's worked before at this level, yet it's merely mediocre now. Why? The whole program is fucked up. It's an attitude. A lack of overall aggression. A lack of fundamental skills. A lack of what it takes to play high level football.
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He almost did! He didn't want cam. Said in his book that he was the best looking defensive line prospect he'd ever seen. He doesn't recruit juco qbs. Not part of the blueprint. Thank god luper talked him into it.
My God you're right. I had misplaced that information conveniently.
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Seriously, people need to forget Goddamn schemes. (Unlike Prowler's stupid assertions that this could be solved by having fans "play call" because they're smarter) This is far bigger. Every "scheme" we've ever run was Xs and Os sound. Every "play call" made last Saturday, on paper, was sound. Chiz hasn't forgotten shit. He lets his coordinators coach. It's about how he implements the entire program. How they practice. How they prepare. Nobody questions BVGs "scheme" because it's worked before at this level, yet it's merely mediocre now. Why? The whole program is fucked up. It's an attitude. A lack of overall aggression. A lack of fundamental skills. A lack of what it takes to play high level football.
The helmets are straight as fuck, though.
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He almost did! He didn't want cam. Said in his book that he was the best looking defensive line prospect he'd ever seen. He doesn't recruit juco qbs. Not part of the blueprint. Thank god luper talked him into it.
Doesn’t bode well for next year. :facepalm:
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He almost did! He didn't want cam. Said in his book that he was the best looking defensive line prospect he'd ever seen. He doesn't recruit juco qbs. Not part of the blueprint. Thank god luper talked him into it.
I know what happened. All else is pure speculation. There's no speculation needed to know what's going on now either. What happened, happened. What is now, is what it is. They are exclusive of one another.
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Did you ever think there would come a time when Auburn fans dreaded back to back road trips to Ole MIss and Vandy?
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Did you ever think there would come a time when Auburn fans dreaded back to back road trips to Ole MIss and Vandy?
BLUEPRINT!
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Did you ever think there would come a time when Auburn fans dreaded back to back road trips to Ole MIss and Vandy?
It just keeps getting worse...
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It just keeps getting worse...
Not true. Worse is being Ole Miss or Vandy. We know we will come out of the doldrums. Neither of them have been out of it in 30-50 years.
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Doesn’t bode well for next year. :facepalm:
For realz.
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Name a defensive coordinator under Tuberville who sucked.
There were people in Texas glad to see Chizik's bend-don't-break philosophy go. Did he have that same style at AU? I don't remember. Doesn't seem so, but I don't know.
His defenses at ISU were among the worst in the sorry history of that school. Two of the five worst defenses in the eternity of ISU football were authored by him. Three of the three worst defenses in Auburn history have his handprints on them.
You can't ignore 2010. I understand that. But you can't ignore everything else either.
Something else to chew on:
Chizik left Iowa state and now they are ranked. After being 5-19.
Chizik comes to auburn and now we are not ranked.
I'm sorry but there's a load of incompetence somewhere in those 2 statements. And it's not Iowa state or Paul Rhoades.
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The whole program is fucked up. It's an attitude. A lack of overall aggression. A lack of fundamental skills. A lack of what it takes to play high level football.
This is 100% accurate
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This is 100% accurate
He speaks for all of us.
I also dont like genes attitude in relation to his job security. I guess with that stupid assed buyout and seeing as how he is Jacobs' boy, I wouldn't be worried either.
K is right. We need to do like Bama and get serious about a head coach and even moreso about out athletics in general. Things will not change until the incompetent buffoon in charge is gone. When he is axed, dye will be powerless and drunk, and maybe just maybe we can use our millions to hire the best coach out there who actually wants to be here.
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If we fire JJ, does Chizik's contract remain valid?
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If we fire JJ, does Chizik's contract remain valid?
Fuck it. It's worth every penny. As k said, we're gonna lose far more than 7 mill in revenue with dye, Jacobs and chiz still being in place. Start now. This isn't gonna undo itself with those three at the helm. Clean house.....now. Gouge has to see this. Rane has to see this. Where's lowder when you need him.
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Fuck it. It's worth every penny. As k said, we're gonna lose far more than 7 mill in revenue with dye, Jacobs and chiz still being in place. Start now. This isn't gonna undo itself with those three at the helm. Clean house.....now. Gouge has to see this. Rane has to see this. Where's lowder when you need him.
2 years removed from playing in the MNC we should not be here.
Speaks volumes on the leadership.
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2 years removed from playing in the MNC we should not be here.
Speaks volumes on the leadership.
Go on other boards and they'll cry :bs: on you for that statement. No, it's OUR (fans who DARE complain) fault!
We need patience. We need to read the creed. We need to smell our own farts. All is well!
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Go on other boards and they'll cry :bs: on you for that statement. No, it's OUR (fans who DARE complain) fault!
We need patience. We need to read the creed. We need to smell our own farts. All is well!
:sarcasm:
Your sarcasm stamp aside, please tell me they aren't defending this shit on the homoerotic auburn boards. If so, they've reached a new level of gaydom.
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Patience is a virtue.
Read the Creed.
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Patience is a virtue.
Anger is a gift.
- Z De LaRocha
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Anger is a gift.
- Z De LaRocha
You have tickets coming out of your ear hole.
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Your sarcasm stamp aside, please tell me they aren't defending this shit on the homoerotic auburn boards. If so, they've reached a new level of gaydom.
I was over on AUfamily ( I like to read Stat's breakdown of the game) and most of them are pretty pissed also. You have got the Dye hard all is well crew over there but most of them see what is going on.
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I was over on AUfamily ( I like to read Stat's breakdown of the game) and most of them are pretty pissed also. You have got the Dye hard all is well crew over there but most of them see what is going on.
And I thought I had read that even Stat was questioning the current staff's ability to get the job done.
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And I thought I had read that even Stat was questioning the current staff's ability to get the job done.
Him just posting the current game/yearly stats does that.
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Does it matter that I really truly and deeply wanted to be wrong? That for a few magnificent weeks in 2010 I relished being wrong, accepted my wrongness and embraced my position as the board's resident grouch? I put down the pitchforks, beat my sword off and extinguished the torches.
I'd be happy to go back to that. Part of me feels like this is all my fault because I broke every tradition I had. I don't have a game hat/shirt/cup or anything any more. We were too inconsistent for anything to work. I try to remember today if I every truly accepted Chizik or if I had that little thread of gnawing doubt that never quite went away.
I wonder where the "leader not a loser" guy is today? I wonder what he thinks.
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Does it matter that I really truly and deeply wanted to be wrong? That for a few magnificent weeks in 2010 I relished being wrong, accepted my wrongness and embraced my position as the board's resident grouch? I put down the pitchforks, beat my sword off and extinguished the torches.
I'd be happy to go back to that. Part of me feels like this is all my fault because I broke every tradition I had. I don't have a game hat/shirt/cup or anything any more. We were too inconsistent for anything to work. I try to remember today if I every truly accepted Chizik or if I had that little thread of gnawing doubt that never quite went away.
I wonder where the "leader not a loser" guy is today? I wonder what he thinks.
That he was right all along.
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Does it matter that I really truly and deeply wanted to be wrong? That for a few magnificent weeks in 2010 I relished being wrong, accepted my wrongness and embraced my position as the board's resident grouch? I put down the pitchforks, beat my sword off and extinguished the torches.
I'd be happy to go back to that. Part of me feels like this is all my fault because I broke every tradition I had. I don't have a game hat/shirt/cup or anything any more. We were too inconsistent for anything to work. I try to remember today if I every truly accepted Chizik or if I had that little thread of gnawing doubt that never quite went away.
I wonder where the "leader not a loser" guy is today? I wonder what he thinks.
I think everyone with a brain had a tinge of doubt.
We were pissed about the defense in 2010. I remember that. I remember thinking early on that Cam looked great, but the defense still had issues stopping a pee wee football team. But then Cam was so exciting that you didn't care. Arkansas is scoring at will with a 2nd string quarterback? So what? Just more chances for Cam Newton to be amazing.
But make no mistake...the defense was no more than average in 2010. And no one could confidently say that the defense was looking as if it could improve.
In fact, I remember having discussions here about the possibility of firing Ted Roof even after winning a national championship. The consensus was that we couldn't, and that helped us excuse the clusterfuck that was last season.
No more excuses now. That tinge of doubt? It's burning the building down.
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Did I have that tinge of doubt?
Decided to do some digging:
Week 1:
Auburn
- The offense is going to be the most dynamic offense in the country. Downhill running with Cam, Dyer, and McCalleb. Deep balls to Carr, Adams, and Zachary. Underneath screens to Fannin. I can't wait to see how much better it is once the tight ends get involved AND when Trovon Reed gets healthy. hahahahaha
- Cameron Newton will be a Heisman candidate next year. It might take too long to get him national recognition this year, but going into next year, he'll have Charlie Ward-type stats.
- We need a new defensive coordinator. Ted Roof just isn't working. We said all last year that it was depth and injuries. Well, the reports have been that the injuries were back 100%. I think that was evident last night as Savage and Etheridge were the most physical players on our team. We know from recruiting and players with "a year in the system" that our depth should be at a high enough quality to make adequate substitutions throughout the game. However, last night was the exact same thing as last year. Soft defense. Poor tackling. No subs. We didn't sub guys in until we had a comfortable lead in the mid 3rd quarter. No more excuses. Ted Roof isn't getting it done.
- Anyone else see Chizik chewing out Roof on the sideline?
- Our special teams are finally...knock on wood...at the level of an SEC team. I feel like we actually have a punt returner that I don't have to worry about.
Week 2:
Auburn...
- Well, it's been a few days, but I must throw this thought out there - our offense isn't worthy of the hype. The stats have been thrown around by our rivals, but Malzahn's offense studders against good SEC defenses. While it may not be complete shut down, it's not a juggernaut that can't be stopped. It's not going to always keep us competitive in a shoot out. It's not any different than the other offenses in the league.
- Which is why the defense stepping up was so important. When it comes down to the nitty gritty, our team is very similar to other SEC teams. An offense that tries to put up at least 21 points with 350+ yards of offense and a defense that tries to limit the other team to less than 21 points with less than 350 yards of offense. We're never going to be a team that scores so many points that it hides a poor defense or out-performs the best SEC defenses. Damn...was I wrong.
- The defense stepped up on the line of scrimmage against Miss State. I still wasn't impressed by the secondary. Miss State had their opportunities. A lot of drops on their part led to our victory. We can complain about the soft coverages all day long, but soon, we're going to have to admit that our corners simply can't play man without giving up big plays.
- I was originally expecting 10-2 with losses to LSU and Bama. I'm now thinking 8-4 or 9-3. We'll sneak up on a few like we did Tennessee and Ole Miss last year, but I'm not so sure we'll beat Arkansas, Clemson, or South Carolina with the state of our team right now.
Week 3:
Auburn…
- Houston, we have a problem. Our offense looks like a high school offense. Our defense still looks like a Ted Roof defense.
-How is it a high school offense, you ask? Because it doesn’t have much strategy or planning behind it. Or at least, that’s the way it appears. It’s not a good thing when a 26 year old English teacher can call plays before they happen. As my friend sitting next to me said, “It’s no longer luck when you’re getting them right almost every play.†Kodi Burns is in? McCalebb is going to come across and either take the handoff or Kodi will take it up the middle. College defenses can adjust to that. Cam’s under center? Dyer up the middle. Cam’s dropping back to pass? He’s going to hold the ball until he can throw it deep. Trips left? Quick screen.
-It’s not so much the predictability as it is the lack of coherency in the gameplan. 2nd down in overtime and we’re doing the Kodi/McCalebb option. 2nd and short and we’re running a draw. Clemson’s blitzing like hell and we’re trying to throw a deep ball.
-Also, point proven about Cam wanting to go deep – in overtime, Zachary was wide open for the touchdown but Cam threw it to a covered Darvin Adams.
-We can’t keep relying on our skill guys to go up and make plays. You have to outsmart the defense in order to be successful in the long term.
-As for the defense, well, nothing new. We aren’t tackling as solidly as we should. We aren’t covering receivers. But we are getting better. I can’t knock the defense as much anymore. It’s hard to shut down a great quarterback with good running backs when your offense isn’t giving you anything to work with.
Weren't we complaining about Malzahn's offense looking unprepared last year? And Loeffler's looking unprepared this year?
Week 7 after the Arkansas game:
Auburn...
- But we still kicked your ass offensively. Auburn's offense continues to churn out huge numbers led by superfreak Cam Newton. I love it. I love that it's a high school offense that works in the SEC. I love that we look like the 6A school playing a 3A school on homecoming every week.
- I love that we play "All I Do is Win" before games and then actually live up to the theme of the song. We don't necessarily dominate in games, but we make damn sure we win. We fight to make sure we make just a few more plays than the other team to win the football game. This reminds me of the 2002 Ohio State Buckeyes. They fought just hard enough to win every game - albeit, it was a defensive slugfest each week - and they clawed their way to a national championship.
- On to a serious note, the defense needs help. I know this is a "duh" statement, but our defense is seemingly getting worse. We're now going to be dealing with a few injuries in the secondary. I expect to see 350+ passing yards from here on out against us including UT Chattanooga. This is not going to be an easy end to the season.
- LSU, Ole Miss, UT-C, UGA, and Bama. And they're all going to be gunning for us. We're no longer the underdog. In fact, we're the big dog. This is going to be a real Amen Corner experience.
And after the national championship win:
Think back to last season and the five times you dropped your head in shame. The times the team couldn't push hard enough and the times the coaches couldn't think quick enough.
Think back to 1983, if you can, and the time you questioned the SEC's dominance when the best SEC team fell 13 points behind Texas.
Think back to 2004 when everything was rolling the right way. We could have put 50 points on Georgia. We could have put 60 points on Tennessee. We could have hung 40 on Virginia Tech. We could have rolled our way into more serious national championship talks. But instead, you think about the "could have's" and remember the "what we did's" and shake your head at the lack of drive our head coach had.
Think back to 1993 when you discussed the season's success over Christmas dinner with your family. Some of you had to endure other talk from a few family members. Talk of how their team still had one more game to play. Talk of how despite your team's success, it mattered not in the minds of the voters.
Think back to 2008 when everything seemed to be spiraling around and around and around a never ending toilet. An embarrassing display of poor sportsmanship from our players in practice leaving a high quality leader on our team with a neck brace and an oversized left tackle with a poor reputation. A sad showing against our rivals including a long, loud version of Rammer Jammer in Tuscaloosa.
We thought Kodi Burns would be an electrifying quarterback that would be a threat running and passing and would rewrite Auburn record books. We thought Mario Fannin would be the next superstar AU runningback continuing the tradition of Runningback U. We thought Lee Ziemba, Ryan Pugh, and Chaz Ramsey would be the anchors on an offensive line that would pave the field with opposing defenders. We thought Tony Franklin would be the next superstar coordinator with a fast paced, high octane offense that defenses couldn't stop.
But we thought wrong. We were found shaking our heads again at the state of the program. The phrase "Just Auburn being Auburn" rang loud and clear not only from Auburn fans, but from fans in other states as well.
Whether we are on top of the world or in the pits, the same phrase has been uttered by sportscasters, radio show hosts, and sports writers. Message boards, social networking sites, and websites - "Just Auburn being Auburn."
But this year was different.
This year included a quarterback with similar hype to Kodi Burns.
This year included a coordinator with similar hype to Tony Franklin.
This year included a defensive linemen with similar hype to Antonio Coleman.
This year, our offensive linemen received the same hype as they did in 2008.
This year included a freshman runningback that not only has continued Runningback U but has also rewritten the records held by the Dean of Runningback U.
But this year included something different. Something that pushed Auburn out of the phrase "Just Auburn being Auburn." Something that surpassed the Heisman ceremony and the SEC rings. Something that pulled our program into the national spotlight and helped our program grasp the crystal ball coveted by 120+ programs every August.
That something is Gene Chizik. And the man deserves all of the credit.
The credit for forming a cohesive and intelligent staff.
The credit for giving a great offensive coordinator complete control of the offense and not allowing his ego to get in the way when that great offensive coordinator began getting the much-deserved accolades.
The credit for bringing in a superstar who needed a second chance.
The credit for not trying to copy the other "great" coaches in the land.
The credit for making football fun. For taking the team to the water park. And allowing them to dance, to sing, and to cheer even when spots were rough.
The credit for understanding the desire of the Auburn family - to be a real family.
The credit for making that family a primary focus as opposed to making championships a primary focus.
Good things come to those who wait, and to Auburn, the wait has finally paid off. Through the head coach's vision, we have climbed - no - flown to the top of the clouds and have proudly staked our identity on the heads of the college football world.
We are the Auburn family - a family that matters - and a family that all with have to recognize as something more than just another team struggling to make themselves relevant.
War Eagle.
So yeah. I bought all in after noticing the same ole bullshit early on. I guess he earned that right and somehow has managed to go full retard enough to make me want to see him run out of town before December hits.
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Fix the OL (find a RG who doesn't suck & a RT who knows what the fucking plays are), cut out most of the drive killing penalties and cut down half of the turnovers...we're 4-1 right now.
Patience is still with me (only one coach that I'd like to see replaced right now and that's DL Coach Mike Pelton, Coach Rocker wouldn't stand for the garbage that's been on display at the DT position).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it ALWAYS starts up front...if you have horrible OL play, it does not matter who you have in the backfield (you could have Cam, Heath Evans & Bo in the backfield, it wouldn't matter if you have horrible OL play).
Fixing the OL (get a RG that plays mad and get a RT that knows who the fuck to block) will fix the Offense.
And yes, before anyone trys to post, â€the OL isn't the problem,†should go back and watch the game...watch the OL only (watch how they were the cause of two turnovers and half the sacks) and realize that it has been that way since '11 ('11 LT AJ Greene & LG Chad Slade, '12 RG Chad Slade and RT Patrick Miller)
Fix the OL, fix a majority of the Offense problems.
I'm losing my patience on the OL.
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Fix the OL (find a RG who doesn't suck & a RT who knows what the fucking plays are), cut out most of the drive killing penalties and cut down half of the turnovers...we're 4-1 right now.
Patience is still with me (only one coach that I'd like to see replaced right now and that's DL Coach Mike Pelton, Coach Rocker wouldn't stand for the garbage that's been on display at the DT position).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it ALWAYS starts up front...if you have horrible OL play, it does not matter who you have in the backfield (you could have Cam, Heath Evans & Bo in the backfield, it wouldn't matter if you have horrible OL play).
Fixing the OL (get a RG that plays mad and get a RT that knows who the fuck to block) will fix the Offense.
And yes, before anyone trys to post, the OL isn't the problem, should go back and watch the game...watch the OL only (watch how they were the cause of two turnovers and half the sacks).
Fix the OL, fix the Offense.
I'm losing my patience on the OL.
What makes you think anyone on this coaching staff can fix the OL problems? Serious question. Has this staff developed anyone that can compete at a high level?
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I think everyone with a brain had a tinge of doubt.
We were pissed about the defense in 2010. I remember that. I remember thinking early on that Cam looked great, but the defense still had issues stopping a pee wee football team. But then Cam was so exciting that you didn't care. Arkansas is scoring at will with a 2nd string quarterback? So what? Just more chances for Cam Newton to be amazing.
But make no mistake...the defense was no more than average in 2010. And no one could confidently say that the defense was looking as if it could improve.
In fact, I remember having discussions here about the possibility of firing Ted Roof even after winning a national championship. The consensus was that we couldn't, and that helped us excuse the clusterfudge that was last season.
No more excuses now. That tinge of doubt? It's burning the building down.
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What makes you think anyone on this coaching staff can fix the OL problems? Serious question. Has this staff developed anyone that can compete at a high level?
Yes, they have... TE Phillip Lutzenkirchen, WR Emory Blake, RB Mike Dyer, DE Dee Ford, DE Corey Lemonier, OT Brandon Moseley, LB Daren Bates (he'll be a Safety if he joins the NFL), WR Darvin Adams, RB Ontario McCalebb, LB Josh Bynes..that's about it (the others were either already improving before Coach Chizik and staff got here or they just didn't improve).
IMO, I'd move Slade to his natural position (Tackle) and bring in Alex Kozan at RG.
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I think everyone with a brain had a tinge of doubt.
We were pissed about the defense in 2010. I remember that. I remember thinking early on that Cam looked great, but the defense still had issues stopping a pee wee football team. But then Cam was so exciting that you didn't care. Arkansas is scoring at will with a 2nd string quarterback? So what? Just more chances for Cam Newton to be amazing.
But make no mistake...the defense was no more than average in 2010. And no one could confidently say that the defense was looking as if it could improve.
In fact, I remember having discussions here about the possibility of firing Ted Roof even after winning a national championship. The consensus was that we couldn't, and that helped us excuse the clusterfuck that was last season.
No more excuses now. That tinge of doubt? It's burning the building down.
The Defense is getting better, if you can't see that, then maybe you should take off your â€everything is shit†glasses...it's not that hard to see that most of the problem resides on the other side of the ball. Shitty OL play combined with below average QB play (Frazier wasn't the main problem, as evident to the 2nd snap that Moseley took when he got planted by a untouched DE (Miller's man)).
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Fix the OL (find a RG who doesn't suck & a RT who knows what the fucking plays are), cut out most of the drive killing penalties and cut down half of the turnovers...we're 4-1 right now.
No.
Even when Frazier has time he cannot make a decision or makes the wrong one. Moseley can go fuck himself with a rusty screwdriver after I saw him cringe like a cur dog when the rush was coming. He didn't step up to avoid the sack. He didn't take advantage of the space in the middle. He didn't stand in and take the hit while doing his job. He fucking cowered. And when he finally realized the guy rushing wasn't as fast as he thought, when he didn't get pounded after the cringe, he wobbled up and staggered backward to lose even more fucking yardage. Fuck him. I hope I never see him again. That's not OL, Prowler, that's pathetic prep of the QB.
Patience is still with me (only one coach that I'd like to see replaced right now and that's DL Coach Mike Pelton, Coach Rocker wouldn't stand for the garbage that's been on display at the DT position).
Yeah and we half pushed Rocker out the door. Why?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it ALWAYS starts up front...if you have horrible OL play, it does not matter who you have in the backfield (you could have Cam, Heath Evans & Bo in the backfield, it wouldn't matter if you have horrible OL play).
Fixing the OL (get a RG that plays mad and get a RT that knows who the fuck to block) will fix the Offense.
And yes, before anyone trys to post, â€the OL isn't the problem,†should go back and watch the game...watch the OL only (watch how they were the cause of two turnovers and half the sacks) and realize that it has been that way since '11 ('11 LT AJ Greene & LG Chad Slade, '12 RG Chad Slade and RT Patrick Miller)
Fix the OL, fix a majority of the Offense problems.
I'm losing my patience on the OL.
You are barking at the wrong dog. Period.
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The Defense is getting better, if you can't see that, then maybe you should take off your â€everything is shit†glasses...it's not that hard to see that most of the problem resides on the other side of the ball. Shitty OL play combined with below average QB play (Frazier wasn't the main problem, as evident to the 2nd snap that Moseley took when he got planted by a untouched DE (Miller's man)).
Hate to tell you this but LSU's offense is woebegone shit. So is Arkansas'. They scored zero on Bama and 10 on A&M.
Defense is getting better? Prove it.
Even as sorry as Arkansas is/was we had a chance in that game. Scored to be close enough to make a difference. And the defense promptly gives up a soul killing drive.
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Fix the OL (find a RG who doesn't suck & a RT who knows what the fucking plays are), cut out most of the drive killing penalties and cut down half of the turnovers...we're 4-1 right now.
Patience is still with me (only one coach that I'd like to see replaced right now and that's DL Coach Mike Pelton, Coach Rocker wouldn't stand for the garbage that's been on display at the DT position).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it ALWAYS starts up front...if you have horrible OL play, it does not matter who you have in the backfield (you could have Cam, Heath Evans & Bo in the backfield, it wouldn't matter if you have horrible OL play).
Fixing the OL (get a RG that plays mad and get a RT that knows who the fuck to block) will fix the Offense.
And yes, before anyone trys to post, â€the OL isn't the problem,†should go back and watch the game...watch the OL only (watch how they were the cause of two turnovers and half the sacks) and realize that it has been that way since '11 ('11 LT AJ Greene & LG Chad Slade, '12 RG Chad Slade and RT Patrick Miller)
Fix the OL, fix a majority of the Offense problems.
I'm losing my patience on the OL.
It is so much more than just the O line. I have watched 5 games, even when the line is blocking our QB holds onto the ball until the blocking does give in, they don't make reads and they make piss poor decisions. Our O coordinated couldn't call himself out of a paper bag. We run the ball pretty effective with Mason/Prosch duo yet they play very little. When we are running the ball well we shoot ourselves in the foot with a penalty or some stupid ass play. He never sets up play action off of the run when Mason tears the D for 8 to 10 yards, instead does a straight drop pass.
Our team is poorly coached, underdeveloped, and does not have the want to win or even get better. On defense we should be playing with at least 16 guys subbing in and out the entire game yet the same 11 get the majority of playing time. The team is not disciplined and coaching is terrible, I'm tired of it.
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Yes, they have... TE Phillip Lutzenkirchen, WR Emory Blake, RB Mike Dyer, DE Dee Ford, DE Corey Lemonier, OT Brandon Moseley, LB Daren Bates (he'll be a Safety if he joins the NFL), WR Darvin Adams, RB Ontario McCalebb, LB Josh Bynes..that's about it (the others were either already improving before Coach Chizik and staff got here or they just didn't improve).
IMO, I'd move Slade to his natural position (Tackle) and bring in Alex Kozan at RG.
On the OL...Grimes was supposed to be the one we stole from Mack Brown, one of the best in the biz. (never raises his voice so I read) I just wonder how Trickett would have responded by the second quarter of the MSU game, or if he could have survived it.
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Fuck excuses. That's all I gotz to say.
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A bunch of bullshit that will completely change after every loss.
It's year 4 and this conversation is taking place. Either you don't understand the problem, or you're taking the shotgun approach and just naming everything possible under the sun. It's very simple. These are the same problems that have plagued Auburn football for 4 years. Even through different coordinators, you are seeing the same problems as years prior. You're seeing the same problems that ISU folks saw in Ames. You can tweak this or that all day long, but I suspect that you will get the same results. What you are seeing on the field now is a systematic failure at nearly every level.
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Yes, they have... TE Phillip Lutzenkirchen, WR Emory Blake, RB Mike Dyer, DE Dee Ford, DE Corey Lemonier, OT Brandon Moseley, LB Daren Bates (he'll be a Safety if he joins the NFL), WR Darvin Adams, RB Ontario McCalebb, LB Josh Bynes..that's about it (the others were either already improving before Coach Chizik and staff got here or they just didn't improve).
IMO, I'd move Slade to his natural position (Tackle) and bring in Alex Kozan at RG.
The players you mentioned were either largely developed by the previous staff, or have stagnated or regressed under this one.
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It's year 4 and this conversation is taking place. Either you don't understand the problem, or you're taking the shotgun approach and just naming everything possible under the sun. It's very simple. These are the same problems that have plagued Auburn football for 4 years. Even through different coordinators, you are seeing the same problems as years prior. You're seeing the same problems that ISU folks saw in Ames. You can tweak this or that all day long, but I suspect that you will get the same results. What you are seeing on the field now is a systematic failure at nearly every level.
OL wasn't a problem in 2009, nor was it a problem in 2010 (it became a problem last year and it's even more of a problem this year...take a second to think about that).
If we would've landed Coach Van Gorder in 2009 instead of Coach Roof, Defense wouldn't be a problem right now. The Defense is getting better, CBVG's Defense takes a while to get used to...especially coming off of Coach Roof's Defense.
I know one of the reasons why the OL is a problem now and a few here isn't going to want to hear it.
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OL wasn't a problem in 2009, nor was it a problem in 2010 (it became a problem last year and it's even more of a problem this year...take a second to think about that).
If we would've landed Coach Van Gorder in 2009 instead of Coach Roof, Defense wouldn't be a problem right now. The Defense is getting better, CBVG's Defense takes a while to get used to...especially coming off of Coach Roof's Defense.
I know one of the reasons why the OL is a problem now and a few here isn't going to want to hear it.
WTF? Let's hear it already.
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OL wasn't a problem in 2009, nor was it a problem in 2010 (it became a problem last year and it's even more of a problem this year...take a second to think about that).
If we would've landed Coach Van Gorder in 2009 instead of Coach Roof, Defense wouldn't be a problem right now. The Defense is getting better, CBVG's Defense takes a while to get used to...especially coming off of Coach Roof's Defense.
I know one of the reasons why the OL is a problem now and a few here isn't going to want to hear it.
Play calling, and not playing players you've never seen play, but know must be better?
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OL wasn't a problem in 2009, nor was it a problem in 2010 (it became a problem last year and it's even more of a problem this year...take a second to think about that).
If we would've landed Coach Van Gorder in 2009 instead of Coach Roof, Defense wouldn't be a problem right now. The Defense is getting better, CBVG's Defense takes a while to get used to...especially coming off of Coach Roof's Defense.
I know one of the reasons why the OL is a problem now and a few here isn't going to want to hear it.
You keep speaking of how complicated BVG's defense is, and how it's like learning Greek compared to Roof's. However, there doesn't really appear to be anything different about it. I haven't seen any extravagant blitz packages, any crazy coverages, etc. What is SO special about it that it takes a Harvard grad to learn it?
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All of these changes you suggest all of these problems, you still don't see that it begins and ends with Chizik? In your infinite wisdom you think these changes are the answer but the coaches obviously don't. Yet you don't question them, you get mad at us for pointing them out. And Kaos is right fixing the OL isn't going to end our problems.
Even my 65 year old mother can see the fundamental problems and lack of discipline with this team.
The buck stops at Chizik, he has had time to fix things, they aren't getting better. He wants to continue coaching he needs to pony up about 3 million of his salary back to Auburn cause he isn't worth it. All the coaches you blame Chizik hired every one of them.
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Play calling, and not playing players you've never seen play, but know must be better?
He knows all you haven't learned that yet.
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WTF? Let's hear it already.
Look back at the 2008 & 2009 signing class...Zero OLinemen signed under CTT, and one signed under CGC (thankfully CGC offered John Sullen late, or we'd been O'fer for the OL position in two signing classes).
We've talked about that, ad nauseum, but it's something to look at reasonably & realistically without the torches and pitch forks.
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Look back at the 2008 & 2009 signing class...Zero OLinemen signed under CTT, and one signed under CGC (thankfully CGC offered John Sullen late, or we'd been O'fer for the OL position in two signing classes).
We've talked about that, ad nauseum, but it's something to look at reasonably & realistically without the torches and pitch forks.
Dj flukes, Barrett douchebag, chance woman, and Cyrus Kramer all played as or are playing as sophomores and redshirt freshmen. Youth is not an excuse.
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OL wasn't a problem in 2009, nor was it a problem in 2010 (it became a problem last year and it's even more of a problem this year...take a second to think about that).
If we would've landed Coach Van Gorder in 2009 instead of Coach Roof, Defense wouldn't be a problem right now. The Defense is getting better, CBVG's Defense takes a while to get used to...especially coming off of Coach Roof's Defense.
I know one of the reasons why the OL is a problem now and a few here isn't going to want to hear it.
Prove it.
Arkansas managed 10 on Texas A&M and didn't score on Bama.
LSU struggled to put points up against TOWSON and then barely had a pulse against Florida.
We've played two abysmally shit-filled offenses over the last two weeks. How can you legitimately say there is improvement when you have no contrast? Those two bumble fucks couldn't get out of their own way and STILL scored enough to win.
Arkansas won't have a winning season. LSU is going to lose three or four games at least. Because they SUCK offensively.
We suck more.
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Look back at the 2008 & 2009 signing class...Zero OLinemen signed under CTT, and one signed under CGC (thankfully CGC offered John Sullen late, or we'd been O'fer for the OL position in two signing classes).
We've talked about that, ad nauseum, but it's something to look at reasonably & realistically without the torches and pitch forks.
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Another example of the "Blame Tuberville" justification. Blaming Bush has worked so well for Obama we might as well keep on following that same pattern.
It's total bullshit, BTW.
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Why is it that Saban comes in has a dismal season, embarrassing loss and then the next year with the #1 recruiting class in the nation plays in the SEC title game, the very next year wins the MNC, won it again in his 5th year, will be winning it again in his 6th, but we suck balls in our fourth year after three highly ranked classes?
How is Muschamps teams showing improvement every week and have a legit shot in his second year to win the east? Hasn't he had two OC's in two years now? His DC had never coached anything but DL at some small colleges and the NFL, surely there had to be a learning curve?
How is Paul Rhoades doing what he is doing at ISU? He is coaching over .500 ball there since he was hired. The last person to do that was Johnny Majors Earle Bruce, you have to go back to somewhere around the 1920's to find a coach who had a better than .500 record before Bruce.
Hugh Freeze?
Why can these coaches do what they do/are doing and we can't even field a respectable team (and might go 0'fer in the SEC for the first time ever in school history) in year 4.
Yes, I am in meltdown mode.
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Two words: coach ing
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Another example of the "Blame Tuberville" justification. Blaming Bush has worked so well for Obama we might as well keep on following that same pattern.
It's total bullshit, BTW.
While tubs last classes were very lacking, it's not the reason for what we are currently seeing with this football team. Prowler is on that bandwagon by himself. There is a much bigger systemic issue going on. Above even chiziks head.
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Why is it that Saban comes in has a dismal season, embarrassing loss and then the next year with the #1 recruiting class in the nation plays in the SEC title game, the very next year wins the MNC, won it again in his 5th year, will be winning it again in his 6th, but we suck balls in our fourth year after three highly ranked classes?
How is Muschamps teams showing improvement every week and have a legit shot in his second year to win the east? Hasn't he had two OC's in two years now? His DC had never coached anything but DL at some small colleges and the NFL, surely there had to be a learning curve?
How is Paul Rhoades doing what he is doing at ISU? He is coaching over .500 ball there since he was hired. The last person to do that was Johnny Majors Earle Bruce, you have to go back to somewhere around the 1920's to find a coach who had a better than .500 record before Bruce.
Hugh Freeze?
Why can these coaches do what they do/are doing and we can't even field a respectable team (and might go 0'fer in the SEC for the first time ever in school history) in year 4.
Yes, I am in meltdown mode.
This^^^ all of it.
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Prowler, I'm going to paste a few quotes from an ISU Rivals beat writer's story. This was published the day after Chizik was hired by AU. At the time it was published, I dismissed it as severe butthurt. I mean, ISU just lost out on probably the best coach they could get. In hindsight, it's pretty accurate.
What the hell Auburn is thinking is anybody's guess. And who cares. Because it just unburdened Iowa State of its most unprepared, overmatched and incompetent head coach of the modern era. Gene Chizik won five games in two years, making him one of the worst head coaches in ISU history.
When he was given the third-highest assistant coach salary pool in the Big 12 and immediately set about hiring his old buddies for jobs they weren't qualified for at a pay rate twice what he could have gotten them for, you knew he was playing head coach instead of actually being one.
Chizik's game day performance speaks for itself and his Saturday state of confusion was boderline comical, if you subscribe to the idea that it's better to laugh than to cry. He might someday have the mental capacity to manage a game as head coach, but it's not there yet. The next opposing coach that Chizik outsmarts will be the first. Without superior athletes, he was rendered impotent as a coach and when all three phases became his ultimate responsibility, he gagged on it.
The Cyclone sideline resembled a fire drill more often than not in crucial situations and the number of delay of game penalties and wasted time outs that could be attributed to him and his staff was a career's worth, not two season's worth.
But when you consider the games that his Iowa State teams choked away against very beatable opponents these last two autumns, even better players might not have mattered. Because the players he had at Iowa State were collectively good enough to go .500 or better in each of his two seasons in Ames. He and his coaching staff were the problem, not the players.
It's nothing short of a blessing that Auburn took him off Iowa State's hands. It was quick and painless and just gives ISU a one-year head start on cleaning up the mess that Chizik created. He never hesitated to let people know how much work there was to be done and what a bad situation he stepped into.
It's Auburn's problem now. While he has a better chance of winning in general there - because he'll have better players - he'll be up against it in a job where so much is riding on one rivalry game a year. Beating Alabama trumps all else at Auburn and Nick Saban will probably floss with Gene Chizik on an annual basis. It's a coaching mismatch of epic proportions. I mean, if Mike Sanford and Tom Amstutz and Doug Martin hand you your lunch with inferior talent, what's Saban going to do with superior talent?
Good luck, Auburn, you'll need it.
Sound familiar?
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I'm going to puke.
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I am crying.
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Two words: coach ing
Thanks Mr. Killington. :(
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Thanks Mr. Killington. :(
I'll be perfectly honest...if I couldn't be Mr. Jokey McJokerson right now, I'd be crying my eyes out.
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I really wish I had Weskie's job right now....so I could drink my lunch.
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I really wish I had Weskie's job right now....so I could drink my lunch.
Wes is on the Slim-Fast diet?
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Wes is on the Slim-Fast diet?
A shake shot for lunch, then a sensible dinner.
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Holy shit. The resident inbred goat fucker gets this situation more than prowler. That Iowa state writeup was spot on.
:facepalm:
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I'll be perfectly honest...if I couldn't be Mr. Jokey McJokerson right now, I'd be crying my eyes out.
Me too, this is worse than any team I have ever watched at Auburn and it makes me sad.
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Me too, this is worse than any team I have ever watched at Auburn and it makes me sad.
I really thought it couldn't get any worse than the abortion I saw in 1998...but it has.
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Holy shit. The resident inbred goat fucker gets this situation more than prowler. That Iowa state writeup was spot on.
:facepalm:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. There simply is no other explanation. It's so similar to the Shula situation at Alabama, except that Shula didn't have the talent that Chizik has. By year 4, you should have an idea of your team's identity, and what the expectation for results should be each year. Auburn fans can lay claim to neither. I'm not so sure that Shula ball was even this bad. It looked like a monkey fucking a football. Auburn looks like a football fucking a monkey. Shula even gave Alabama fans one good year, but it isn't worth it if you look totally inept the other three IMO. Blind squirrel, nut, etc.
I just don't know what it takes to convince somebody that there is a root cause to all of the other problems. There is no way that the article that was written could be THAT accurate if they didn't know.
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. There simply is no other explanation. It's so similar to the Shula situation at Alabama, except that Shula didn't have the talent that Chizik has. By year 4, you should have an idea of your team's identity, and what the expectation for results should be each year. Auburn fans can lay claim to neither. I'm not so sure that Shula ball was even this bad. It looked like a monkey fucking a football. Auburn looks like a football fucking a monkey. Shula even gave Alabama fans one good year, but it isn't worth it if you look totally inept the other three IMO. Blind squirrel, nut, etc.
I just don't know what it takes to convince somebody that there is a root cause to all of the other problems. There is no way that the article that was written could be THAT accurate if they didn't know.
Shula was a temp agency hire. They had to find someone loyal yet stupid enough to take the job for a few lean years before they came out of the doldrums of probation. He served his purpose, and even exceeded overall expectations if you ask my opinion.
When Chizik was hired, there was no probation or rumor of probation that hung over him. Whomever Auburn hired at that point should have been the one to take Auburn to the "next level." That is why the Chizik hire was surprising and disappointing from the get-go. Then, he somehow defied all probability by winning it all in 2010, which clouded 96% of Auburn fans' judgement. That number may be low even...
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Holy shit. The resident inbred goat fucker gets this situation more than prowler. That Iowa state writeup was spot on.
:facepalm:
I can't get over that article. It's damn near ruined my day.
If Chizik left tomorrow, I really think I would have written an article identical to that one.
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I can't get over that article. It's damn near ruined my day.
Ditto. And that's considering the fact that I read it then. I can't believe I forgot it...especially when every sentence is so horribly familiar.
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An article by ESPN during coverage of the Big 12's media days in 2010:
IRVING, Texas -- If you're looking for reasons why Iowa State vaulted from five total victories in two years under Gene Chizik to seven victories in one season under Paul Rhoads, here's a big one:
Tackling.
"It was horrible," Rhoads said.
So horrible, in fact, that rudimentary tackling had to be retaught.
"The first time we put on pads that first spring, we had to shut practice down for about 15 minutes and go back to Tackling 101," Rhoads said. "We got their attention, and I think they've improved greatly as a tackling football team."
Rhoads didn't want to toss Chizik -- a hugely successful defensive coordinator before becoming a head coach -- and his staff directly under the bus. So he explained that there are different ways to teach tackling -- successful coordinators can disagree on methodology.
According to Rhoads, the methodology under Chizik involved flying full speed at ball carriers more than hitting with form and balance. That might have worked better with star athletes at Texas (Chizik's last stop before Ames) than it did with less-gifted players at Iowa State.
"We control ourselves before we're in a hitting situation," Rhoads said. "So if a ball carrier makes a move, we're not tackling air like a cartoon character."
Last season Iowa State allowed 21.8 points per game, down from 35.8 in 2008 and 31.8 in 2007 under Chizik.
Any of this sounding familiar, Prowler? I wonder how BVG's defense is so much different than Roof's, and how it is so incredibly difficult to learn. I wonder how much of that defense is actually BVG's, if it is a mix of his and Chizik's, or if he was told "This is the defense we run. Here's the playbook." The general philosophy and technique of the defense seems very similar to previous years.
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I can't get over that article. It's damn near ruined my day.
If Chizik left tomorrow, I really think I would have written an article identical to that one.
Except we'd be forking out 7M to get rid of him, not getting paid because some school wants to hire him.
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I've puke three times during this thread.
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I can't get over that article. It's damn near ruined my day.
If Chizik left tomorrow, I really think I would have written an article identical to that one.
I think I recall reading the article and dismissed it as sour grapes.
It's very hard to stomach being the Iowa State of the SEC...at least potentially.
Rhodes has coached up Chizik's players to respectability.
I keep wondering how bad one has to be to squander this much talent?
Gerry Faust at N.D. maybe.
That poor guy was in way over his head too.
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I've puke three times during this thread.
wrong thread...this isn't the live and let diet thread. unless it is.
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Rhodes has coached up Chizik's players to respectability.
And that is why I'm okay with cutting ties with Chizik. We bring in a coach that knows what he's doing? We'll be fine in a few years. Maybe not winning crystal balls, but at least competitive, which is all I care about anymore.
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And that is why I'm okay with cutting ties with Chizik. We bring in a coach that knows what he's doing? We'll be fine in a few years. Maybe not winning crystal balls, but at least competitive, which is all I care about anymore.
http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/2008/12/auburn-coaching-search-rumors-and.html
Then there's this. Some search huh?
Check out some of the comments.
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Keep posting Iowa State articles bammer...the Auburn fans here that want everyone fired yesterday, not tomorrow, will lap it up and use it for more full to their torches. Not me, though. I couldn't care less what happened at ISU and no, the situation isn't similar. My Cyrstal Replica tells me that it will be corrected, just like when Coach Chizik corrected the defensive situation (remember the bowl game against Virginia? The defense looked a lot better than the previous 12 games). Now they're learning CBVG's NFL scheme, which takes time to get a handle on...like I said before it's not the defense that's the problem anymore (they're getting better and they'll continue to get better), it's the OL, QB and at times, the play calling, that's the problem (first thing to do in our situation on Offense is to fix the OL, move some guys around, find a better set of five than what we have at this time, if that can't be accomplished, then call plays that will hide our deficiencies on the OL...like some God Damn ROLL THE POCKET passes, quick slants, quick outs, screens, etc., etc.)
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Keep posting Iowa State articles bammer...the Auburn fans here that want everyone fired yesterday, not tomorrow, will lap it up and use it for more full to their torches. Not me, though. I couldn't care less what happened at ISU and no, the situation isn't similar. My Cyrstal Replica tells me that it will be corrected, just like when Coach Chizik corrected the defensive situation (remember the bowl game against Virginia? The defense looked a lot better than the previous 12 games). Now they're learning CBVG's NFL scheme, which takes time to get a handle on...like I said before it's not the defense that's the problem anymore (they're getting better and they'll continue to get better), it's the OL, QB and at times, the play calling, that's the problem (first thing to do in our situation on Offense is to fix the OL, move some guys around, find a better set of five than what we have at this time, if that can't be accomplished, then call plays that will hide our deficiencies on the OL...like some God Damn ROLL THE POCKET passes, quick slants, quick outs, screens, etc., etc.)
If you can just ignore those articles and think that they are irrelevant, then you're stupid. Flat out stupid. They're pointing out the EXACT SAME THINGS that AU has had issues with since Chizik came to Auburn. Issues that were around even in 2010. I mean, it's like somebody wrote it this morning.
How does BVG's defense differ so greatly from what Roof ran? What about the new defense makes it so difficult to learn? I haven't seen any crazy blitz packages. I haven't seen any deceptive coverages, I haven't seen any trickery. It's just traditional basic stuff. It doesn't really look any different at all than what Roof ran.
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If you can just ignore those articles and think that they are irrelevant, then you're stupid. Flat out stupid.
I didn't have to read past this...
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If you can just ignore those articles and think that they are irrelevant, then you're stupid. Flat out stupid. They're pointing out the EXACT SAME THINGS that AU has had issues with since Chizik came to Auburn. Issues that were around even in 2010. I mean, it's like somebody wrote it this morning.
How does BVG's defense differ so greatly from what Roof ran? What about the new defense makes it so difficult to learn? I haven't seen any crazy blitz packages. I haven't seen any deceptive coverages, I haven't seen any trickery. It's just traditional basic stuff. It doesn't really look any different at all than what Roof ran.
Actuallt gump Auburn's D is giving up a TD less now than it was with the fuck stick Ted Roof. Btw, Prowler is right about the dumbass ISU articles. Maybe I missed something but when a coach usually leaves one place for another, the place he is leaving doesn't lick their balls on the way out. The guy is a fucking writer for ISU. Who the hell do you think he is gonna cater his opinion to? Btw, your midget coach didn't get exactly a ringing endorsement when he left Miami. Does that make all the shit that was said about him true?
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Actuallt gump Auburn's D is giving up a TD less now than it was with the fuck stick Ted Roof. Btw, Prowler is right about the dumbass ISU articles. Maybe I missed something but when a coach usually leaves one place for another, the place he is leaving doesn't lick their balls on the way out. The guy is a fucking writer for ISU. Who the hell do you think he is gonna cater his opinion to? Btw, your midget coach didn't get exactly a ringing endorsement when he left Miami. Does that make all the shit that was said about him true?
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Auburn just landed Homerun hire with Coach Loeffler and all you fuckers want to try and tear him down before he coaches his first game at Auburn.
At first I wasn't sure about Loeffler, I was kinda meh...but after reading comments from people that know what they're talking about, I think Auburn just landed a Diamond in rough. I'm interested to hear some statements from the recruits that meet him. I gotta feeling that he's going to do real well in the prospect's livingroom.
Loeffler was the next coming of Jesus pre-season. But now 6 weeks in, he may be in over his head according to you. But in year 4, there is no way possible that Chizik is in over his head because he won it all 2 years ago. Your reasoning is that every 4 years, as long as 1 of those years is a really good season, it is OK to be shitty the other 3? I don't get it.
I guess Alabama owes Mike Shula an apology.
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My Cyrstal Replica tells me that it will be corrected, just like when Coach Chizik corrected the defensive situation (remember the bowl game against Virginia? The defense looked a lot better than the previous 12 games). Now they're learning CBVG's NFL scheme, which takes time to get a handle on...like I said before it's not the defense that's the problem anymore (they're getting better and they'll continue to get better), it's the OL, QB and at times, the play calling, that's the problem (first thing to do in our situation on Offense is to fix the OL, move some guys around, find a better set of five than what we have at this time, if that can't be accomplished, then call plays that will hide our deficiencies on the OL...like some God Damn ROLL THE POCKET passes, quick slants, quick outs, screens, etc., etc.)
Lawd, I hope so cause I love CGC as a person and a coach. "We gon runda ball."
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Actuallt gump Auburn's D is giving up a TD less now than it was with the fuck stick Ted Roof. Btw, Prowler is right about the dumbass ISU articles. Maybe I missed something but when a coach usually leaves one place for another, the place he is leaving doesn't lick their balls on the way out. The guy is a fucking writer for ISU. Who the hell do you think he is gonna cater his opinion to? Btw, your midget coach didn't get exactly a ringing endorsement when he left Miami. Does that make all the shit that was said about him true?
Like I said before, I also thought it was sour grapes at the time. But four years later, it appears as if results have validated that article.
As far as Saban goes, you would have to give me specifics. Alot of shit was said by alot of people. I'm sure some of them were right. I'm sure some of them were wrong. I don't think anybody ever doubted his ability to coach college ball, though.
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Another example of the "Blame Tuberville" justification. Blaming Bush has worked so well for Obama we might as well keep on following that same pattern.
It's total bullshit, BTW.
No it's not â€total bullshitâ€. Whenever you have a TWO YEAR gap, you will have a â€down year†at that position...especially on the OL where strength means more than anything. That gap started last year and the gap is still showing this year. It's really not that fucking hard to see. Also, yes CTT screwed the pooch at recruiting OL for two years straight, that's not up for debate and is something that I was pointing out, because this season the OL is one of, if not, the reason why the Offense looks like warmed up dog shit. And it's one of the reasons why Coach Chizik is having to get involved on that side of the ball, more so than he'd like to (yes, Coach Chizik lets his coordinators do what they're paid to do unless he realizes they're having trouble).
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No it's not â€total bullshitâ€. Whenever you have a TWO YEAR gap, you will have a â€down year†at that position...especially on the OL where strength means more than anything. That gap started last year and the gap is still showing this year. It's really not that fucking hard to see. Also, yes CTT screwed the pooch at recruiting OL for two years straight, that's not up for debate and is something that I was pointing out, because this season the OL is one of, if not, the reason why the Offense looks like warmed up dog shit. And it's one of the reasons why Coach Chizik is having to get involved on that side of the ball, more so than he'd like to (yes, Coach Chizik lets his coordinators do what they're paid to do unless he realizes they're having trouble).
Next time you talk to Chizik tell him I said hey.
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Loeffler was the next coming of Jesus pre-season. But now 6 weeks in, he may be in over his head according to you. But in year 4, there is no way possible that Chizik is in over his head because he won it all 2 years ago. Your reasoning is that every 4 years, as long as 1 of those years is a really good season, it is OK to be shitty the other 3? I don't get it.
I guess Alabama owes Mike Shula an apology.
When the fuck did I say anything even remotely about Coach Loeffler being the â€second comingâ€? I stated then, all I'll state it again, that he's one of the top QB Coaches in the Country (didn't say a fucking thing about coordinating abilities, besides that we would finally run some smashmouth I Formation football). I'll also repeat what I stated earlier, maybe he's in over his head having to do two things at once (concentrate on working with the QBs and have someone help him with the game planning). Stop making up shit, you inbred goat fucker.
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Next time you talk to Chizik tell him I said hey.
It's not that fucking hard to see that Coach Chizik lets his Coordinators do their thing, unless their thing is a problem...that's when he steps in to help. Still not sure why the fuck you keep saying that stupid shit about me being in the huddle or talking to Coach Chizik. Is it because I post what I've noticed when watching games and the Auburn show or what I've seen being posted from people that actually have inside knowledge?
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When the fuck did I say anything even remotely about Coach Loeffler being the â€second comingâ€? I stated then, all I'll state it again, that he's one of the top QB Coaches in the Country (didn't say a fucking thing about coordinating abilities, besides that we would finally run some smashmouth I Formation football). I'll also repeat what I stated earlier, maybe he's in over his head having to do two things at once (concentrate on working with the QBs and have someone help him with the game planning). Stop making up shit, you inbred goat fucker.
You backpedal worse than Dre Kirkpatrick. You really expect me to believe that when making the post that I quoted from January, you really meant that AU landed a homerun QB coach only, but not a good OC? That's what it meant in Prowler-speak? If Chizik intentionally hired a guy that is a good QB coach, but it was obvious he was going to be a horrible OC, then why would he allow him to handle the OC duties?
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You backpedal worse than Dre Kirkpatrick. You really expect me to believe that when making the post that I quoted from January, you really meant that AU landed a homerun QB coach only, but not a good OC? That's what it meant in Prowler-speak? If Chizik intentionally hired a guy that is a good QB coach, but it was obvious he was going to be a horrible OC, then why would he allow him to handle the OC duties?
HAH.
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HAH.
I have to give it to him, that was pretty solid.
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I have to give it to him, that was pretty solid.
He fucked it up by adding to it (its prowler, it needs no clarification). Should have just left the Dre Kirkpatrick part.
That's a goat fucker for you, always got to get that little extra in.
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He fucked it up by adding to it (its prowler, it needs no clarification). Should have just left the Dre Kirkpatrick part.
That's a goat fucker for you, always got to get that little extra in.
Solid start but his verbosity turned the Russian Judge off.
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No it's not â€total bullshitâ€. Whenever you have a TWO YEAR gap, you will have a â€down year†at that position...especially on the OL where strength means more than anything. That gap started last year and the gap is still showing this year. It's really not that fucking hard to see. Also, yes CTT screwed the pooch at recruiting OL for two years straight, that's not up for debate and is something that I was pointing out, because this season the OL is one of, if not, the reason why the Offense looks like warmed up dog shit. And it's one of the reasons why Coach Chizik is having to get involved on that side of the ball, more so than he'd like to (yes, Coach Chizik lets his coordinators do what they're paid to do unless he realizes they're having trouble).
Not only the above, but every comment you make, ever opinion you have about the whole situation at Auburn runs contrary to what every Auburn fan I know thinks, and contrary to the assessment of every football person I've heard give their opinion. Every single one.
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No it's not â€total bullshitâ€. Whenever you have a TWO YEAR gap, you will have a â€down year†at that position...especially on the OL where strength means more than anything. That gap started last year and the gap is still showing this year. It's really not that fucking hard to see. Also, yes CTT screwed the pooch at recruiting OL for two years straight, that's not up for debate and is something that I was pointing out, because this season the OL is one of, if not, the reason why the Offense looks like warmed up dog shit. And it's one of the reasons why Coach Chizik is having to get involved on that side of the ball, more so than he'd like to (yes, Coach Chizik lets his coordinators do what they're paid to do unless he realizes they're having trouble).
Was it tubs who signed Holland and Frazier and failed to develop either of them or any qb on our roster?
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Was it tubs who signed Holland and Frazier and failed to develop either of them or any qb on our roster?
No. Bush did that.
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No. Bush did that.
I blame the high Auburn altitude.
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I seem to recall an O-line in 2007, I believe, that had Ryan Pugh, Chaz Butthurt Ramsey and Lee Ziemba starting and rolling up big numbers down in Baton Rude one night. I think they were...yep, all true freshmen.
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I blame the high Auburn altitude.
And Jim Lehrer.
And Mitt Romney for using the word boy one time. Obviously racist.
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I seem to recall an O-line in 2007, I believe, that had Ryan Pugh, Chaz Butthurt Ramsey and Lee Ziemba starting and rolling up big numbers down in Baton Rude one night. I think they were...yep, all true freshmen.
Pugh and Ziemba also were about as key to 2010 as Cam. Yes it's blasphemous to say but the OL (4 tubs developed players) let cammy cam do his thang. It does seem we developed players in 1 or 2 summers under the previous regime where as the current one can't do it in 4!
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Pugh and Ziemba also were about as key to 2010 as Cam. Yes it's blasphemous to say but the OL (4 tubs developed players) let cammy cam do his thang. It does seem we developed players in 1 or 2 summers under the previous regime where as the current one can't do it in 4!
Honestly, been saying that for a long time. Anyone recall after the 2010 LSU game, someone posted a series of shots of our offensive plays developing. I think it was pinched from an LSU board, if memory serves. But they were pointing out how the O-line was blocking everything perfectly. A thing of beauty.
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How do you feel about the teams execution?
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How do you feel about the teams execution?
I'm all for it.
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I blame the high Auburn altitude.
I blame the EOTTC
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I blame the EOTTC
Damn it, son. That's confidential information right there.
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Damn it, son. That's confidential information right there.
Oh shit...damn drill press smartyphone!
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Well, we didn't block, but we made up for it by not tackling
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Well, we didn't block, but we made up for it by not tackling
Or secondary coverage.
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Or secondary coverage.
Or turning the ball over at a alarming rate.
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Things that are more likely to happen before Prowler understanding anything in this thread:
My dog learning Mandarin
Snaggle getting his balls back
Kaos eating a tomato
Me going to an Alabama game
jmar making an understandable post
An X thread without a movie quote
A happy Nick Saban
Kiehl Frazier throwing for 250 yards
Clint Mosley considered a Heisman contender
Auburn averaging 17 ppg for the rest of the season
John L Smith being hired as Arkansas' permanent HC
Alabama firing Nick Saban tomorrow
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Things that are more likely to happen before Prowler understanding anything in this thread:
My dog learning Mandarin
Snaggle getting his balls back
Kaos eating a tomato
Me going to an Alabama game
jmar making an understandable post
An X thread without a movie quote
A happy Nick Saban
Kiehl Frazier throwing for 250 yards
Clint Mosley considered a Heisman contender
Auburn averaging 17 ppg for the rest of the season
John L Smith being hired as Arkansas' permanent HC
Alabama firing Nick Saban tomorrow
Fuck you. I got them back....while we were on vacation....and that one time we had the new neighbors over for a cookout.
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Things that are more likely to happen before Prowler understanding anything in this thread:
My dog learning Mandarin
Snaggle getting his balls back
Kaos eating a tomato
Me going to an Alabama game
jmar making an understandable post
An X thread without a movie quote
A happy Nick Saban
Kiehl Frazier throwing for 250 yards
Clint Mosley considered a Heisman contender
Auburn averaging 17 ppg for the rest of the season
John L Smith being hired as Arkansas' permanent HC
Alabama firing Nick Saban tomorrow
That might be the best post you have ever had...don't add anything to it. If I still made shirts this would become one.
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Things that are more likely to happen before Prowler understanding anything in this thread:
My dog learning Mandarin
Snaggle getting his balls back
Kaos eating a tomato
Me going to an Alabama game
jmar making an understandable post
An X thread without a movie quote
A happy Nick Saban
Kiehl Frazier throwing for 250 yards
Clint Mosley considered a Heisman contender
Auburn averaging 17 ppg for the rest of the season
John L Smith being hired as Arkansas' permanent HC
Alabama firing Nick Saban tomorrow
Went out on a limb there didn't ya?
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Went out on a limb there didn't ya?
Where I really went out on a limb was insinuating that Prowler would eventually understand this thread.
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http://www.eyesonauburn.blogspot.com/2012/10/dr-zs-arkansas-review-implosion.html
http://youtu.be/dlUY2Iq9-AI
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Fuck you. I got them back....while we were on vacation....and that one time we had the new neighbors over for a cookout.
It's OK. I live in a house with my wife, my 6 year old daughter, and soon to be newborn daughter. I don't have any balls either.
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It's OK. I live in a house with my wife, my 6 year old daughter, and soon to be newborn daughter. I don't have any balls either.
What is this strange phenomenon where marriage and children cause a loss of sack dwellers and complete absence of blow jobs?
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What is this strange phenomenon where marriage and children cause a loss of sack dwellers and complete absence of blow jobs?
The opposite effect of the simple rule of "Swallow and the ring with follow." Once she has the ring her knees breathe a sigh of relief.
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What is this strange phenomenon where marriage and children cause a loss of sack dwellers and complete absence of blow jobs?
Its gotta be the kids as we have none here in Dallas (never-ever wanted any) and I still let her give me blow-jobs. I am nice that way.
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What is this strange phenomenon where marriage and children cause a loss of sack dwellers and complete absence of blow jobs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxuD0tKTNoU
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Its gotta be the kids as we have none here in Dallas (never-ever wanted any) and I still let her give me blow-jobs. I am nice that way.
Go ahead you heartless bastard. Pour a little more salt in the wound.
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What is this strange phenomenon where marriage and children cause a loss of sack dwellers and complete absence of blow jobs?
Something about child that will re-work their DNA to include a stand that makes them forget what a blowjob is, only way to overcome this is to make a big purchase of something they really want, then it might not work....... Trust me, it's science.
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Its gotta be the kids as we have none here in Dallas (never-ever wanted any) and I still let her give me blow-jobs. I am nice that way.
Go ahead you heartless bastard. Pour a little more salt in the wound.
Tis better to give than receive. So I let her.
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Something about child that will re-work their DNA to include a stand that makes them forget what a blowjob is, only way to overcome this is to make a big purchase of something they really want, then it might not work....... Trust me, it's science.
You have data to back this up?
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Something about child that will re-work their DNA to include a stand that makes them forget what a blowjob is, only way to overcome this is to make a big purchase of something they really want, then it might not work....... Trust me, it's science.
I don't know about the child and DNA but I do know about the big purchase. It does seem the bigger the purchase the better the um, well, you know.
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You have data to back this up?
Don't get your hopes up, there is a 97% or 3/4 chance that the big purchase won't get you a blowjob.
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You have data to back this up?
I do. Its called a bank statement.
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Oh, I understand it alright...I just don't feel the need to comment anymore than...yes I felt and still feel that Coach Loeffler is a Homerun type QB Coaching hire and I've stated that I wasn't sure how he'd do in the SEC as a OC, I'd hoped he'd bring a more North/South Power Running game, especially when All American FB Jay Prosch transferred.
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Bump
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I feel the same way today that I felt in 2012.
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I don't know about the child and DNA but I do know about the big purchase. It does seem the bigger the purchase the better the um, well, you know.
I gotta slow down on the drinking, don't even remember typing that?
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Feels like a decent time to resurrect this thread and ask the question - does this apply?
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Feels like a decent time to resurrect this thread and ask the question - does this apply?
Not even close.
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Bump
Why?
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Fix the OLine, fix most of the problems on Offense...SSDD
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Fix the OLine, fix most of the problems on Offense...SSDD
You defended Chizik for about four pages of this thread. Vehemently.
So......
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You defended Chizik for about four pages of this thread. Vehemently.
So......
The mess in 2012 was deeper and more widespread than most knew. And is probably the worst one we had in decades. That team had character issues outside of that locker room. It had work ethic issues inside of it. It was just a complete mess. Gus overachieved in 2013 with the same guys. Still not sure how he did it other than nick marshall being a key addition and leading the team. But this year. Jeremy’s first year as starter. Or 2008. None of them remotely compare to the cluster of 2012.
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The mess in 2012 was deeper and more widespread than most knew. And is probably the worst one we had in decades. That team had character issues outside of that locker room. It had work ethic issues inside of it. It was just a complete mess. Gus overachieved in 2013 with the same guys. Still not sure how he did it other than nick marshall being a key addition and leading the team. But this year. Jeremy’s first year as starter. Or 2008. None of them remotely compare to the cluster of 2012.
But we lined up our helmets perfect.
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The mess in 2012 was deeper and more widespread than most knew. And is probably the worst one we had in decades. That team had character issues outside of that locker room. It had work ethic issues inside of it. It was just a complete mess. Gus overachieved in 2013 with the same guys. Still not sure how he did it other than nick marshall being a key addition and leading the team. But this year. Jeremy’s first year as starter. Or 2008. None of them remotely compare to the cluster of 2012.
Tre Mason and Nick Marshall was a hell of a combination. Plus, when a defense crashed the box, you could sling it to Sammy Coates and he would catch it 60% of the time.
Then, you just hope to get the ball one more time...
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Paaawwwwwl, in 2013 them Barners was cheatin' just like they are now. And, they was the luckiest team in all of college football. They know'd that boy stepped out of bounds on that there Kick 6. Whutchu thank, Paaawwwl?
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Paaawwwwwl, in 2013 them Barners was cheatin' just like they are now. And, they was the luckiest team in all of college football. They know'd that boy stepped out of bounds on that there Kick 6. Whutchu thank, Paaawwwl?
Did you know that Gus is 22-21 since the Kick 6 against Power 5 teams
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Did you know that Gus is 22-21 since the Kick 6 against Power 5 teams
Well, did you know there really is an oldest trick in the book?
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Did you know that Gus is 22-21 since the Kick 6 against Power 5 teams
In today’s coaching ranks that’s probably above par. Maybe even top 20%. I think it also reflects us playing tougher out of conf p5 teams. More so than we used to. And the sec is also the sec.
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Tre Mason and Nick Marshall was a hell of a combination. Plus, when a defense crashed the box, you could sling it to Sammy Coates and he would catch it 60% of the time.
Then, you just hope to get the ball one more time...
Don't forget that we had Prosch and Robinson leading the way for those two guys. We don't have that now and haven't had anything close to it since.
Edit: Thinking back on that....Dismukes, Young, Slade, GR and Kozan was one hell of a line. If we have that line today, this O would run like a top.
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Don't forget that we had Prosch and Robinson leading the way for those two guys. We don't have that now and haven't had anything close to it since.
Edit: Thinking back on that....Dismukes, Young, Slade, GR and Kozan was one hell of a line. If we have that line today, this O would run like a top.
I'd trade out Slade for Braden Smith, if we are playing make-believe.
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I'd trade out Slade for Braden Smith, if we are playing make-believe.
I would too. I was just looking at the 2013 OL. Smith was definitely better.
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You defended Chizik for about four pages of this thread. Vehemently.
So......
Wrong. I stated that the OLine was one of the main problems on offense, back in 2012, and it was.
I did defense OC Loeffler for two posts, but more so as a QB Coach. I felt he was in over his head as a OC & QB Coach.
Like I said yesterday... Fix the OLine, fix most of the offensive's problems. When your RB is having to do a spin move as soon as he receives the handoff, and one lineman is looking back at the RB, because his man is blowing up the backfield, that's a major problem.
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Don't forget that we had Prosch and Robinson leading the way for those two guys. We don't have that now and haven't had anything close to it since.
Edit: Thinking back on that....Dismukes, Young, Slade, GR and Kozan was one hell of a line. If we have that line today, this O would run like a top.
I definitely agree. Slade did get better in his Senior season, but I would take Braden Smith over Slade all day long.
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Agree for the most part with the conversation but the problem as I see it is with recruiting.
YES we have tremendous skill players but think back to what was returning on the offensive line after Cam left for the NFL.
And beyond that if you recall, we soon found out that we sucked at linebacker and defensive tackle.
Now we have the same situation occurring again where we lack a push in the run game, especially creating seams for longer gains that extend drives.
I honestly believe Gus alternately cheats position groups in order to stockpile offensive skill players, mostly wide receivers.
It can work HOWEVER if there are injuries, transfers or kids leaving that just exacerbates the problem.
Interested in knowing what the rest of you think because I say it's the main reason we lack overall consistency as a team.
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Agree for the most part with the conversation but the problem as I see it is with recruiting.
YES we have tremendous skill players but think back to what was returning on the offensive line after Cam left for the NFL.
And beyond that if you recall, we soon found out that we sucked at linebacker and defensive tackle.
Now we have the same situation occurring again where we lack a push in the run game, especially creating seams for longer gains that extend drives.
I honestly believe Gus alternately cheats position groups in order to stockpile offensive skill players, mostly wide receivers.
It can work HOWEVER if there are injuries, transfers or kids leaving that just exacerbates the problem.
Interested in knowing what the rest of you think because I say it's the main reason we lack overall consistency as a team.
Played golf with two guys from Salt Lake City today. Fans of the Utah Utes.
Some perspective:
1. They had no idea who Auburn's coach is.
2. They remember Bama won the title, but don't know who the quarterback was.
3. They think Alabama won the SEC the last four or five years
4. They know Auburn is a "pretty good" team but weren't sure if we were ranked or not.
5. They didn't know who LSU's coach is and were unaware Auburn had lost to them. "Really? LSU? That's a surprise."
6. They are aggravated with their coach because all the Utes do is play defense and they can't score points. I was surprised because I assumed they scored lots of points and didn't play much defense at all. Utah is currently first in total defense nationally. We are 40th. Not as good as they thought last year. They were 39th. AU was 11th.
7. They are perfectly happy with a coach that wins 8 or 9 games a year and occasionally hits the jackpot. Can't believe any program wouldn't be satisfied with that.
8. Their current coach, Kyle Wittingham, beat Alabama in 2008/09. They claim the 2008 National Championship due to finishing 13-0 and dominating the Tide.
9. Wittingham has been coach since 2005. They said he'd won at least nine games in eight of his seasons. I looked. Seven. And two eight win seasons.
10. Said they struggled the first two years in the Pac10 but were much better since. This is true.
11. Blown away that the SEC stadiums hold 80k plus. Utah's home field is 45K. Oregon only holds 54.
Biggest thing? They watch football, have a pretty good team most seasons and enjoy the game for what it is. I hate Nick Saban for robbing us of that.
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Played golf with two guys from Salt Lake City today. Fans of the Utah Utes.
Some perspective:
1. They had no idea who Auburn's coach is.
2. They remember Bama won the title, but don't know who the quarterback was.
3. They think Alabama won the SEC the last four or five years
4. They know Auburn is a "pretty good" team but weren't sure if we were ranked or not.
5. They didn't know who LSU's coach is and were unaware Auburn had lost to them. "Really? LSU? That's a surprise."
6. They are aggravated with their coach because all the Utes do is play defense and they can't score points. I was surprised because I assumed they scored lots of points and didn't play much defense at all. Utah is currently first in total defense nationally. We are 40th. Not as good as they thought last year. They were 39th. AU was 11th.
7. They are perfectly happy with a coach that wins 8 or 9 games a year and occasionally hits the jackpot. Can't believe any program wouldn't be satisfied with that.
8. Their current coach, Kyle Wittingham, beat Alabama in 2008/09. They claim the 2008 National Championship due to finishing 13-0 and dominating the Tide.
9. Wittingham has been coach since 2005. They said he'd won at least nine games in eight of his seasons. I looked. Seven. And two eight win seasons.
10. Said they struggled the first two years in the Pac10 but were much better since. This is true.
11. Blown away that the SEC stadiums hold 80k plus. Utah's home field is 45K. Oregon only holds 54.
Biggest thing? They watch football, have a pretty good team most seasons and enjoy the game for what it is. I hate Nick Saban for robbing us of that.
This is honestly the best thing I’ve read regarding the state of college football the past 6-7 years.
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I honestly believe Gus alternately cheats position groups in order to stockpile offensive skill players, mostly wide receivers.
It can work HOWEVER if there are injuries, transfers or kids leaving that just exacerbates the problem.
I agree, which is odd since he basically only wants them to block or catch stupid ass screens.
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It can be, but it'll cost us $32 mil.
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It can be, but it'll cost us $32 mil.
The “jack holes that be†that decided this was ok can write the fuckin check.
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It can be, but it'll cost us $32 mil.
I doubt anything happens this year, unless there are some kind of allegations against Coach Malzahn (there won't be) or anything NCAA violations related that would void the $500 Trillion contract...but if next year looks as atrocious as this year...he's likely gone (Auburn would be better off biting the proverbial bullet).
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I doubt anything happens this year, unless there are some kind of allegations against Coach Malzahn (there won't be) or anything NCAA violations related that would void the $500 Trillion contract...but if next year looks as atrocious as this year...he's likely gone (Auburn would be better off biting the proverbial bullet).
I think Buzz was sexually assaulted by Gus.
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I doubt anything happens this year, unless there are some kind of allegations against Coach Malzahn (there won't be) or anything NCAA violations related that would void the $500 Trillion contract...but if next year looks as atrocious as this year...he's likely gone (Auburn would be better off biting the proverbial bullet).
Just get the Democrats on it.
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I think he is our coach until Saban retires. Also, I expect us to be worse next year. He won't be fired.
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I think he is our coach until Saban retires. Also, I expect us to be worse next year. He won't be fired.
We've got another decade of Saban. Just saying.
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We've got another decade of Saban. Just saying.
dude aint slowing down
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I think Buzz was sexually assaulted by Gus.
It was at a party in 1984 1982 1986. He showed me his junk pile out back.
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It was at a party in 1984 1982 1986. He showed me his junk pile out back.
He showed you his passing tree playbook? How scary! Bet that traumatized you to see that many variations on the same shit-ass screen pass.
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He showed you his passing tree playbook? How scary! Bet that traumatized you to see that many variations on the same shoot-ass screen pass.
HE SHOWED ME THE TWIRLYBIRD!
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Feels like a decent time to resurrect this thread and ask the question - does this apply?
I will re-ask your question now. GH care to change your answer?
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I will re-ask your question now. GH care to change your answer?
Well. That answer wasn’t given today. It was given week 3. After a close loss to LSU and sitting in the top 10. A lot has changed since then. Hell. A lot has changed since Arkansas.
If you are asking me today. Then yes. It’s starting to resemble 2012 in many ways. Minus the felonies and off the field incidents. In the way that the head man is losing the whole team. I think I’ve indirectly given a more updated answer in the other threads - Marcelo, nom nom and the Six’s.
We knew things were “off†some after LSU. Not sure anyone saw it going this far off the rails this quickly.
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Well. That answer wasn’t given today. It was given week 3. After a close loss to LSU and sitting in the top 10. A lot has changed since then. Hell. A lot has changed since Arkansas.
If you are asking me today. Then yes. It’s starting to resemble 2012 in many ways. Minus the felonies and off the field incidents. In the way that the head man is losing the whole team. I think I’ve indirectly given a more updated answer in the other threads - Marcelo, nom nom and the Six’s.
We knew things were “off†some after LSU. Not sure anyone saw it going this far off the rails this quickly.
I wasn't picking on you I agreed with you Week 3 as well. Just sayin.
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I wasn't picking on you I agreed with you Week 3 as well. Just sayin.
I was being verbose.
So my short answer is yes. And I’d like to buy another coach.
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I was being verbose.
So my short answer is yes. And I’d like to buy another coach.
If I win the $645M lotto, I'll buy you all the coaches you want, Veruca.
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If I win the $645M lotto, I'll buy you all the coaches you want, Veruca.
Love playing with the donors’ money on message boards. Bow down bitches.
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Love playing with the donors’ money on message boards. Bow down bitches.
To be clear: I don't give those fuckers shit currently. But with an ass pot of disposable income, I'd attempt to be the new Uncle Milty.
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To be clear: I don't give those fuckers shit currently. But with an ass pot of disposable income, I'd attempt to be the new Uncle Milty.
A "foundation" out of Turdtown paid Saban's 3M mortgage off. So it's not out of the possibility that at least the initial payoff could be found...if the right people were moved to do so.
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A "foundation" out of Turdtown paid Saban's 3M mortgage off. So it's not out of the possibility that at least the initial payoff could be found...if the right people were moved to do so.
Losing to Ole Miss this Saturday might "move" such individuals if one is reading the tea leaves correctly. Look. I don't think it's a smart move, but this is athletics where what is smart to do is rarely ever done. I won't cry for Gus (nor Argentina) when we pay him to go away. Whether it is this year or another.
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There is a need for a lot of new construction to the south. That should help offset the buyout costs.
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There is a need for a lot of new construction to the south. That should help offset the buyout costs.
12M total for the intramural complex. Already approved.
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12M total for the intramural complex. Already approved.
Those pasty white frat bros can wait
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https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/10/auburn-ad-allen-greene-discusses-state-of-football-program.html#incart_river_index (https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/10/auburn-ad-allen-greene-discusses-state-of-football-program.html#incart_river_index)
When asked about the feedback from fans and boosters, Greene made it clear he’s seeing what everyone else can see.
“They don’t have to tell me, I already know," Greene said. "I’m sitting there watching the games like everybody else is.â€
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The problem might not be the money when one considers Auburn allowed a bio researcher and plant pathologist to fly solo in a huge contract deal with one of the shrewdest sports agents on the planet.
Ok Leath IS a doctor. Not totally out of his purview.
Also, as of Monday both Leath and Greene were visible in damage control deflecting questions and answering none.
I was hoping Greene would stay clear of the fallout and distance himself from Leath but that's not happening.
All I want to know is who's in charge?
Does anybody know?
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https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/10/auburn-ad-allen-greene-discusses-state-of-football-program.html#incart_river_index (https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/10/auburn-ad-allen-greene-discusses-state-of-football-program.html#incart_river_index)
When asked about the feedback from fans and boosters, Greene made it clear he’s seeing what everyone else can see.
“They don’t have to tell me, I already know," Greene said. "I’m sitting there watching the games like everybody else is.â€
Honestly, if I'm reading the right things into that statement, that's the first positive thing I've heard in a while.
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Those pasty white frat bros can wait
chortles
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Greene won't be affected from this.
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Greene won't be affected from this.
Nope, he came along after the damage was done.
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Greene won't be affected from this.
As long as he keeps telling Gus I can't get next to you.
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As long as he keeps telling Gus I can't get next to you.
Greene takes Uber to the games.
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Leath has Greene running interference.
Leath now makes 650 k since arrival plus the kickback from Sexton.
Greene makes 2.5M and was appointed by Leath.
Again, who's in charge?
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Leath has Greene running interference.
Leath now makes 650 k since arrival plus the kickback from Sexton.
Greene makes 2.5M and was appointed by Leath.
Again, who's in charge?
Gus
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Arkansas. That's who's boss.
We used to have a contract out there and I know/knew some people who were up there in the legislature, etc.
An Arky friend told me yesterday that they never had any real interest in Gus, but they wanted to drive the price up to the point that we were locked in with him for an extended period of time. They believed that keeping him would do long-term damage our program more so than the short-term new coach bruises. There was also the fear that a real coach could take the talent advantage we had and become a real problem for the West if/when Saban steps away. And they hate us.
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An Arky friend told me yesterday that they never had any real interest in Gus, but they wanted to drive the price up to the point that we were locked in with him for an extended period of time. They believed that keeping him would do long-term damage our program more so than the short-term new coach bruises. There was also the fear that a real coach could take the talent advantage we had and become a real problem for the West if/when Saban steps away. And they hate us.
That's BS. Trust me they wanted him, were they willing to pay the big money that was being thrown about (that was probably all Sexton) but they wanted him. They are just busting that shit out now because he sucks. Id laugh in your friends face.
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That's BS. Trust me they wanted him, were they willing to pay the big money that was being thrown about (that was probably all Sexton) but they wanted him. They are just busting that shit out now because he sucks. Id laugh in your friends face.
He's mid 70s. Lives in Little Rock.
I mock him for that all the time. Who chooses to live in the literal butthole of America?
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Arkansas. That's who's boss.
We used to have a contract out there and I know/knew some people who were up there in the legislature, etc.
An Arky friend told me yesterday that they never had any real interest in Gus, but they wanted to drive the price up to the point that we were locked in with him for an extended period of time. They believed that keeping him would do long-term damage our program more so than the short-term new coach bruises. There was also the fear that a real coach could take the talent advantage we had and become a real problem for the West if/when Saban steps away. And they hate us.
Sorry dude but your arky contact is full of shit. They are trying to save face for getting turned down. “He didn’t fire us. We quitâ€. Lame. Tell him he needs to get laid more. Gus had a legit offer in front of him from the hogs. No one plays with that kind of fire for shits n giggles mind games.
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Sorry dude but your arky contact is full of shit. They are trying to save face for getting turned down. “He didn’t fire us. We quitâ€. Lame. Tell him he needs to get laid more. Gus had a legit offer in front of him from the hogs. No one plays with that kind of fire for shits n giggles mind games.
They didn't want him anyway.
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Sorry dude but your arky contact is full of shit. They are trying to save face for getting turned down. “He didn’t fire us. We quitâ€. Lame. Tell him he needs to get laid more. Gus had a legit offer in front of him from the hogs. No one plays with that kind of fire for shits n giggles mind games.
I don't make the news I just report it.
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I don't make the news I just report it.
And today from retard asshole land.....some news from a Hog fan.
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Whether Pruitt is seeing the plays before they happen or not, I don't know. Ignoring that, there's something even more disconcerting in this video.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1052309757921505280
Stidham starts looking where he's going to throw before he even gets the ball in his hand. Maybe it's just a quick read or something and maybe I'm just so disillusioned I'm seeing ghosts where none exist, but it appears to me that he's flat out telegraphing the play.
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Whether Pruitt is seeing the plays before they happen or not, I don't know. Ignoring that, there's something even more disconcerting in this video.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1052309757921505280
Stidham starts looking where he's going to throw before he even gets the ball in his hand. Maybe it's just a quick read or something and maybe I'm just so disillusioned I'm seeing ghosts where none exist, but it appears to me that he's flat out telegraphing the play.
Thats how the story all ties together. You see it. I see it. A good defensive coach like Pruitt certainly saw it.
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The Plainsman goes Beastmode on Gus
Tennessee loss should be last straw for Gus Malzahn
By SUMNER MARTIN | SPORTS WRITER (https://www.theplainsman.com/staff/sumner-martin-sports-writer)
[justify]Gus Malzahn is the man without a plan, only Auburn figured it out one year too late.[/justify]
[justify]
After dropping its third SEC game out of four to unranked Tennessee — a team which hadn’t won a conference game in its last 11 tries — at home Saturday afternoon, Auburn fell out of the AP Top 25 for the first time in two years.[/justify]
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And just like that, the season is over for most Auburn fans.[/justify]
[justify]The Tigers entered the season at No. 9 in the country with returning talent across the board, on offense and defense, and hope of building on last year’s SEC West crown.[/justify]
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Instead, Auburn is 4-3, tallying another loss to LSU in which they led by double-digits in the fourth quarter, and back-to-back losses to unranked teams in Mississippi State and Tennessee. Two of those losses also came inside Jordan-Hare Stadium.[/justify]
[justify]There aren’t any more excuses left for the $49-million coach.[/justify]
[justify]
Rewind to last October. The Tigers had just blown a 20-point lead in Death Valley for their second loss of the season and Malzahn, as he seems to be every other year, was one loss away from losing his job.[/justify]
But, Malzahn leaned on Kerryon Johnson and defensive coordinator Kevin Steele’s defense to carry him to an SEC Championship game, only to get run over by Georgia, 28-7.
Auburn then signed Malzahn to a seven-year, $49 million extension, making him the fifth-highest paid head coach in college football.
The only four coaches that have higher salaries are Nick Saban at Alabama, Urban Meyer at Ohio State, Jim Harbaugh at Michigan and Jimbo Fisher at Texas A&M.
One name doesn’t belong in that upper echelon of college football coaches.
Apart from a fortunate national championship run in 2013, Malzahn simply hasn’t gotten the job done.
He has lost at least four games in each season since his first year at the helm, and has a 1-4 record in bowl games with Auburn. The lone win was against Memphis in the Birmingham Bowl three years ago, which capped a 7-6 season.
The other results include losses in the Outback, Sugar and Peach Bowls. Overall, Malzahn is 49-25 at Auburn.
In fact, since the “Kick Six†victory in the 2013 Iron Bowl, Malzahn in 22-23 against Power 5 opponents.
Six years as a head coach is more than enough time to build your program. Malzahn is in his sixth year and looks as lost as ever.
This year specifically is as bad as its been for the so-called offensive guru. The offense failed to rush for over 100 yards in three straight games for the first time since 1999, and ranks 93rd in total offense, coming in behind Tulane, Connecticut and Temple.
This isn’t a new thing, either. The offensive struggles have been a constant each year since 2014. Whether it was Sean White, Jeremy Johnson or Jarrett Stidham, it didn’t seem to matter.
Whether it was Rhett Lashlee or Chip Lindsey, same problems arose. Making more coordinator changes won’t solve the real problem, which is Malzahn himself.
Malzahn has shown over and over again that he will not adjust, and he will not give up on his failing offensive system.
Auburn was desperate and panicked last year, signing Malzahn to a long-term contract thinking he was the best they could get.
They were wrong and will have to pay over $32 million for him to leave.
Rumblings of a divided locker room and a lack of leadership have begun to surface this week, and with Texas A&M, Georgia and Alabama still left on the schedule, the Tigers are in question of even making a bowl game this season.
It’s time to give up on Gus Malzahn.
The head coach said in his postgame press conference after the Tennessee loss that the team still has a "whole lot to play for."
That’s true, but he shouldn’t be a part of it.
https://www.theplainsman.com/article/2018/10/azgf0m3n2aimspb
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That folks, is what is known as bringing the pain from the hometown newspaper.
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That folks, is what is known as bringing the pain from the hometown newspaper.
Gus got punked by a college kid named Sumner. Ouch.
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The Plainsman goes Beastmode on Gus
The National Enquirer of Auburn University. Hard to find people who hate Auburn more than the staff of The Plainsman each year.
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The National Enquirer of Auburn University. Hard to find people who hate Auburn more than the staff of The Plainsman each year.
I never know which side you're on. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Agree that for some reason the Plainsman is rarely pro Auburn. That thing spawned that disgusting Jabba troll Selena who has no concept of truth (just ask Duke) and it's also home to one of the biggest morons I've ever encountered, John Carvalho. Total assbag. I have zero respect for him, his teachings or his opinions.
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I never know which side you're on. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Agree that for some reason the Plainsman is rarely pro Auburn. That thing spawned that disgusting Jabba troll Selena who has no concept of truth (just ask Duke) and it's also home to one of the biggest morons I've ever encountered, John Carvalho. Total assbag. I have zero respect for him, his teachings or his opinions.
First off he doesn't know what side he is on either.....The funds for gender reassignment have not come through as of yet.
Secondly, why the fuck can't we get Selena to dig some dirt up on Gus now?
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First off he doesn't know what side he is on either.....The funds for gender reassignment have not come through as of yet.
Secondly, why the fuck can't we get Selena to dig some dirt up on Gus now?
I'd rather keep wacky Gus for 20 more years than have that toad schlubbing around in Auburn again.
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I never know which side you're on. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Agree that for some reason the Plainsman is rarely pro Auburn. That thing spawned that disgusting Jabba troll Selena who has no concept of truth (just ask Duke) and it's also home to one of the biggest morons I've ever encountered, John Carvalho. Total assbag. I have zero respect for him, his teachings or his opinions.
Agree with every bit of this.
I go back and forth and slash on Auburn. Having been a fan my whole life, I have so much to love about the sports euphoria of it all. Having worked there a dozen years, I can't unknow a lot of things about how weird the place really is.
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First off he doesn't know what side he is on either.....The funds for gender reassignment have not come through as of yet.
Friggin Obamacare!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, now everyone else is finally seeing what we saw in 2014?
We're so 3008...they're so 2000 and late
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So, now everyone else is finally seeing what we saw in 2014?
We're so 3008...they're so 2000 and late
(http://i.imgur.com/EJnBEDal.png)
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So, now everyone else is finally seeing what we saw in 2014?
We're so 3008...they're so 2000 and late
Gotta' get that Boom Boom Boom
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Auburn’s Gus Malzahn doesn’t feel like he’s coaching for his job
AUBURN — Naturally, the question came up during Gus Malzahn’s weekly news conference on Tuesday.
“It’s weird to think you’re seven games into this contract,†one reporter said, “but I have to ask you, do you feel you’re playing for your job at this point? That your performing for your job?â€
Malzahn’s answer was “No.â€
“I feel like I’m coaching for my players for the next game,†the sixth-year head coach continued. “We have to finish this thing the right way. I really expect us to do it. Are we disappointed? Yes, we’re disappointed, I’m disappointed and our players are disappointed, I know our fans are disappointed, but we have to get through this and we are going to get through it. The way you get through it is finish strong, and that’s what we’re going to do.â€
It seems like a crazy question to ask, given that Malzahn is barely more than halfway through the first season of the seven-year, $49-million contract he signed in January. Seventy-five percent of that contract is guaranteed, so if Auburn decided it wanted to make a change after this season, it would owe the coach a buyout of $32.1 million.
But after a 30-24 loss to Tennessee this past Saturday, the Tigers are 4-4 since Malzahn agreed in principle to that contract following last year’s SEC Championship Game and 4-5 since knocking off eventual national champion Alabama in last year’s Iron Bowl at Jordan-Hare Stadium.
“I recognize that football and Auburn football and the standing of a coach is a hot topic, considering we’re not really where we want to be and not where we expected to be," athletic director Allen Greene told reporters Monday in Birmingham (https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburn/2018/10/15/athletics-director-allen-greene-gus-malzahn-auburns-football-season/1651585002/). “But as I’ve shared with coach, my responsibility is to support him and his team, and we’ll continue doing so.
"Part of our responsibility is to make sure that we’re getting the right things in place, sticking with that process and understanding that this isn’t a week-to-week deal here. I know that fans go up and down depending on the outcome of a game, but it’s our responsibility to really look down the road and make sure that we’re continuing to put the pieces of the puzzle together be successful for a long time.â€
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/10/13/PMOY/62d9398c-e9bc-4dc9-934a-69755744abbe-jb_AuburnTenn_1255.jpg?width=540&height=405&fit=bounds&auto=webp)
Auburn head coach Gus Malzahn walks the field after Tiger Walk before the Tennessee game Saturday, Oct. 13, 2018, at Jordan-Hare Stadium in Auburn, Ala. (Photo: Julie Bennett)
The Volunteers’ win over Auburn snapped their 11-game losing streak against conference opponents, which dated back to 2016, and gave them their first victory over an SEC West team since 2010.
The Tigers are now 4-3 overall and 1-3 in SEC play with losses to LSU, Mississippi State and Tennessee. On Monday, they fell out of the national rankings, marking the second time of the Malzahn era that they have gone from preseason top 10 in the AP Top 25 Poll to unranked altogether.
If Auburn’s dreams of repeating as SEC West champions weren’t dead after the loss in Starkville, Mississippi, two weeks ago, they certainly are now. Now, the team’s focus turns to getting itself bowl-eligible, which will take at least two wins over the final five games of the regular season.
Those final five games start with a trip to Ole Miss on Saturday and finish with consecutive games against No. 18 Texas A&M, No. 6 Georgia, Liberty and No. 1 Alabama following an Oct. 27 bye.
“I don’t think anybody expect us to be where we’re at. I didn’t, our players didn’t. We’ve been close, and the reality is we are here and you’ve got to own that, and I own it,†Malzahn said. “We’re at a point now where there’s no more championships, but we’re going to play for Auburn, we’re going to play for each other, we’ve got a staff and a group of players that are close and they’re going to keep fighting. We’re going to finish this thing on a positive. We’re going to be as good as we can be moving forward.â€
Malzahn promised Tuesday that “there will be some tweaks†made before Saturday’s game in Oxford, Mississippi, though he declined to go into detail about what those might be.
They won’t be to the team’s play-calling hierarchy or at quarterback: Offensive coordinator Chip Lindsey will continue calling the plays, and Jarrett Stidham will continue running the offense despite committing three turnovers against the Volunteers.
Pretty much everything else could on the table.
“We’re going to roll up our sleeves this week,†Malzahn said. “This is a big game for us, obviously, going on the road and get a victory before we get to the off week.
“Our guys are playing extremely hard. They’re competitive. I’m not going to say the ball hasn’t bounced our way, because I believe you create your own fortune and your own success. I’m proud of my team for that, and we just need to figure out a way to take that next step to make the plays and seize the moment when we have the opportunity.â€
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Gotta' get that Boom Boom Boom
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/39/bd/1e39bd1a9d49d7ae290536c2f80a4d92.gif)
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More Malz Madness:
"In the games, they have been excellent. In practice, much the same. They just need to carry that over to the games and score a few more points and win some games."
"The execution needs to be better at certain points."
Wait...what?
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Auburn’s Gus Malzahn doesn’t feel like he’s coaching for his job
AUBURN — Naturally, the question came up during Gus Malzahn’s weekly news conference on Tuesday.
“It’s weird to think you’re seven games into this contract,†one reporter said, “but I have to ask you, do you feel you’re playing for your job at this point? That your performing for your job?â€
Malzahn’s answer was “No.â€
“I feel like I’m coaching for my players for the next game,†the sixth-year head coach continued. “We have to finish this thing the right way. I really expect us to do it. Are we disappointed? Yes, we’re disappointed, I’m disappointed and our players are disappointed, I know our fans are disappointed, but we have to get through this and we are going to get through it. The way you get through it is finish strong, and that’s what we’re going to do.â€
It seems like a crazy question to ask, given that Malzahn is barely more than halfway through the first season of the seven-year, $49-million contract he signed in January. Seventy-five percent of that contract is guaranteed, so if Auburn decided it wanted to make a change after this season, it would owe the coach a buyout of $32.1 million.
But after a 30-24 loss to Tennessee this past Saturday, the Tigers are 4-4 since Malzahn agreed in principle to that contract following last year’s SEC Championship Game and 4-5 since knocking off eventual national champion Alabama in last year’s Iron Bowl at Jordan-Hare Stadium.
“I recognize that football and Auburn football and the standing of a coach is a hot topic, considering we’re not really where we want to be and not where we expected to be," athletic director Allen Greene told reporters Monday in Birmingham (https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburn/2018/10/15/athletics-director-allen-greene-gus-malzahn-auburns-football-season/1651585002/). “But as I’ve shared with coach, my responsibility is to support him and his team, and we’ll continue doing so.
"Part of our responsibility is to make sure that we’re getting the right things in place, sticking with that process and understanding that this isn’t a week-to-week deal here. I know that fans go up and down depending on the outcome of a game, but it’s our responsibility to really look down the road and make sure that we’re continuing to put the pieces of the puzzle together be successful for a long time.â€
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/10/13/PMOY/62d9398c-e9bc-4dc9-934a-69755744abbe-jb_AuburnTenn_1255.jpg?width=540&height=405&fit=bounds&auto=webp)
Auburn head coach Gus Malzahn walks the field after Tiger Walk before the Tennessee game Saturday, Oct. 13, 2018, at Jordan-Hare Stadium in Auburn, Ala. (Photo: Julie Bennett)
The Volunteers’ win over Auburn snapped their 11-game losing streak against conference opponents, which dated back to 2016, and gave them their first victory over an SEC West team since 2010.
The Tigers are now 4-3 overall and 1-3 in SEC play with losses to LSU, Mississippi State and Tennessee. On Monday, they fell out of the national rankings, marking the second time of the Malzahn era that they have gone from preseason top 10 in the AP Top 25 Poll to unranked altogether.
If Auburn’s dreams of repeating as SEC West champions weren’t dead after the loss in Starkville, Mississippi, two weeks ago, they certainly are now. Now, the team’s focus turns to getting itself bowl-eligible, which will take at least two wins over the final five games of the regular season.
Those final five games start with a trip to Ole Miss on Saturday and finish with consecutive games against No. 18 Texas A&M, No. 6 Georgia, Liberty and No. 1 Alabama following an Oct. 27 bye.
“I don’t think anybody expect us to be where we’re at. I didn’t, our players didn’t. We’ve been close, and the reality is we are here and you’ve got to own that, and I own it,†Malzahn said. “We’re at a point now where there’s no more championships, but we’re going to play for Auburn, we’re going to play for each other, we’ve got a staff and a group of players that are close and they’re going to keep fighting. We’re going to finish this thing on a positive. We’re going to be as good as we can be moving forward.â€
Malzahn promised Tuesday that “there will be some tweaks†made before Saturday’s game in Oxford, Mississippi, though he declined to go into detail about what those might be.
They won’t be to the team’s play-calling hierarchy or at quarterback: Offensive coordinator Chip Lindsey will continue calling the plays, and Jarrett Stidham will continue running the offense despite committing three turnovers against the Volunteers.
Pretty much everything else could on the table.
“We’re going to roll up our sleeves this week,†Malzahn said. “This is a big game for us, obviously, going on the road and get a victory before we get to the off week.
“Our guys are playing extremely hard. They’re competitive. I’m not going to say the ball hasn’t bounced our way, because I believe you create your own fortune and your own success. I’m proud of my team for that, and we just need to figure out a way to take that next step to make the plays and seize the moment when we have the opportunity.â€
Ok. This is a lot of the issue then.
No matter what your job is, you should treat everyday like you are performing well enough to keep your job.
Absolute complacency, narcissism and oblivious - all wrapped in one in those comments.
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Ok. This is a lot of the issue then.
No matter what your job is, you should treat everyday like you are performing well enough to keep your job.
Absolute complacency, narcissism and oblivious - all wrapped in one in those comments.
That's the problem with a guaranteed 32 mil. No skin in the game! None.
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I'm about out of giveadamn to talk about any of this shit anymore, but those of you who think that there wasn't a powerful contingent of the Arky PTB that wanted Gus are just fucking wrong.
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I'm about out of giveadamn to talk about any of this shit anymore, but those of you who think that there wasn't a powerful contingent of the Arky PTB that wanted Gus are just fucking wrong.
I don't think that, but hearing my Arky guy talk like it was a masterful plot on their part to keep Auburn down was pretty interesting.
I also don't believe there were enough PTBs in Arkansas who were enamored of Gus to ever make that work. It would have been a divisive situation and I really don't think they could have pulled it off. But that's just my own thought.
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I didn't give a fuck if Arky was after him or not. My take was very simple. Write the man a nice bonus check for the two wins and if he still wants to bolt to Fayettenam, take yo' ass on. The problem is very simple. We ALL had more than enough sample size to know what this coach is all about. We KNEW full well that this stretch we're going through is part of the Gus package. Yet, we gave him the code to the gate at Ft. Knox.
I've long since stopped blaming Gus. He is what he is. Like every coach out there, he got his money. The PTB knew what they were getting. They still did the deal. I heard so many say, "Well who would we get?" And now everyone is saying, "Anyone would be better."
Like I said in another thread. We're blaming the wrong people.
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I didn't give a fuck if Arky was after him or not. My take was very simple. Write the man a nice bonus check for the two wins and if he still wants to bolt to Fayettenam, take yo' ass on. The problem is very simple. We ALL had more than enough sample size to know what this coach is all about. We KNEW full well that this stretch we're going through is part of the Gus package. Yet, we gave him the code to the gate at Ft. Knox.
I've long since stopped blaming Gus. He is what he is. Like every coach out there, he got his money. The PTB knew what they were getting. They still did the deal. I heard so many say, "Well who would we get?" And now everyone is saying, "Anyone would be better."
Like I said in another thread. We're blaming the wrong people.
I hope you're not insinuating that I should be blamed.
I'm a little baffled, really.
I was critical early. I thought it was a poor choice to bring in a guy who had one year of head coaching experience to take over a program this enormous, in a league this deep and with the devil himself heading up the arch rival program. I honestly believed it was more than he could handle.
And then -- so very much like Terry Bowden -- his first year success made me doubt my assessment. The players bought in, he turned a former UGA defensive back into a legitimate threat at QB. It didn't matter how much time was on the clock, I honestly believed that team could score from anywhere at any time. Score 40 on us? We'll score 55. Fuck you. I thought I saw Gus flinch at the end of the championship game when we squandered a lead and lost a game we should have won. But I was still okay with it. Figured we'd be better in 2014.
Through much of the 2014 season I was on board. We went to MSU ranked second and that was the first time I really saw Gus pucker. Froze in the red zone several times leading to fucking field goals instead of TDs. That and a shitty start cost us the game. Two weeks later, Gus broke. When Marshall fumbled the snap against A&M and the (I honestly believed) inevitable touchdown didn't happen, his mind got fucked up and it hasn't been right since.
I was ready to call it in 2015. That was a stumblefuck of epic proportions. It's honestly very much like this season. Started in the Top Ten. Opened with a narrow win in the Georgia Dome, fell apart against LSU and MSU. Lost to Arkansas, Ole Miss, Georgia and Alabama dropping out of the Top 25 along the way. Managed to beat A&M to salvage a bowl trip. And that's pretty much what I expect to happen this season. That season was hot garbage. No reason for it to have sucked as badly as it did. Along the way his "I'm running the offense, no I'm not, yes I am, no I'm not" equivocation proved clearly to me that he was in over his head.
2016. Dipsy doodle. Whirly bird. Full fucktard. I wanted him fired three games in. Then Kam Pettway came out of nowhere, Sean White balled out and it looked like he'd figured some shit out. Nope. Lost to a pathetic Georgia team, one of the worst I've ever seen in Athens, because the motherfucker has failed to figure out that you have to have more than one fucking player on a roster ready to play key positions. Every single program in the universe seems to have a capable backup who comes in and handles business when the starter can't go. Every program except ours. One injury and we can't muster a single fucking first down against an abysmal Georgia defense. Again, he proved he wasn't up to the job as a whole.
2017. sigh. I honestly thought he'd finally figured things out when we physically dominated Georgia and Alabama. Nope. He's still what we thought he was. One injury and we've got no alternatives. None. We can't fucking line up and execute a single simple play because ONE player is banged up. I've seen junior high coaches manage that better.
2018. Fuck it.
I don't care what happens from this point out. He's proven that he's learning on the job but the problem is that the son of a bitch isn't LEARNING. He makes the same chowderhead mistakes over and over and over. He might be a great OC. He might be a fantastic Xs and Os guy when that's all he has on his plate. But he does not have the requisite experience to successfully manage a large organization -- which is what Auburn is.
It's like taking a guy who makes really awesome pizzas for Dominos, letting him manage a Dominos store in Drizzledump Arkansas for a year and then appointing him CEO of the Dominos brand. He might get lucky for a year or two because he knows some things about pizza cooking, but eventually his franchisees are going to figure out that he doesn't know what he's doing and will lose confidence. Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, Papa Murphys, Marcos, Hunt Bros, Little Caesars and all the rest will also figure out that he's weak and bury his ass.
We should never have put him in this position. We damn sure shouldn't have overpaid him because that contract makes his performance completely untenable.
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We lose the rematch against UGA in the SECCG because we have no running back healthy enough to carry the load similar to @ UGA the year before when they had a most pathetic team. (Nevermind they transformed that weak-assed offensive line in 2016 to become a 2017 contender.)
Then we have the bowl match-up and thoroughly shit the bed against UCF.
And brother never forget that our guy Stidham got put through the wringer that day, a beating as badly as I've ever witnessed an Auburn QB experience... and with our veteran line. Yeah we got by Washington at the start of this season but we (he) hasn't recovered. Not the same.
Seriously. Who's Stidham's coach and mentor? Who can he bounce ideas off of, Lindsey,
the guy Gus hired to save us from his own play calling disasters? Gus who doesn't believe in QB coaches? Oh wait now Gus is now allowing his QB's to seek outside help and Stidham can change plays at the line, always could.
Fuck Arkansas. It's a wasteland of football that has to depend heavily on imported talent and it isn't sustainable. They have enough on their plate with Chad Morris who has a very similar pedigree to that of Malzahn. The built-in machinations to do Auburn harm is total BS! They had their best chance with Petrino which predictably came to a screeching halt.
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For that matter, Iowa State might have it in for us.
Many Cyclonians might have been butt hurt over Chizik and then we "strategically" lure their big-time negotiating president away.
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For that matter, Iowa State might have it in for us.
Many Cyclonians might have been butt hurt over Chizik and then we "strategically" lure their big-time negotiating president away.
If you believe the conspiracy theories, when The Plainsman uncovered a note in Leath's contract at ISU which stated he could be fired if he interviewed for another job at another university, Auburn BoT felt compelled to push forward with him as President. Thus why there were no meetings with the Faculty Senate - or faculty at all - no town hall style Q&As with staff and students. He was just named President.
Makes one wonder if the the BoT (specifically a new power broker there) would be looking for a way to get out of him too.
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If you believe the conspiracy theories, when The Plainsman uncovered a note in Leath's contract at ISU which stated he could be fired if he interviewed for another job at another university, Auburn BoT felt compelled to push forward with him as President. Thus why there were no meetings with the Faculty Senate - or faculty at all - no town hall style Q&As with staff and students. He was just named President.
Makes one wonder if the the BoT (specifically a new power broker there) would be looking for a way to get out of him too.
The only backlash I could find against Leath (publicly) was his 52 flights with the university plane at the universities expense and the subsequent crash which he denied was pilot error contrary to the findings of an aviation expert who investigated.
One might read into this that the guy might never find error in any of his decision making and that he was going to take the family on a recreational joyride any damn time he pleased. Just saying!
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Write the man a nice bonus check for the two wins and if he still wants to bolt to Fayettenam, take yo' ass on. The problem is very simple. We ALL had more than enough sample size to know what this coach is all about. We KNEW full well that this stretch we're going through is part of the Gus package. Yet, we gave him the code to the gate at Ft. Knox.
Ex-fucking-actly! Why in the 7 layers of hell were we (Auburn) giving away the farm? I cannot for the life of me understand it. As someone who has some amount of negotiating experience I do not understand how it happens? We (Auburn) had the stronger negotiating platform and just said fuck it, "uncle".
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Ex-fudgeing-actly! Why in the 7 layers of hell were we (Auburn) giving away the farm? I cannot for the life of me understand it. As someone who has some amount of negotiating experience I do not understand how it happens? We (Auburn) had the stronger negotiating platform and just said fudge it, "uncle".
Because, as I wrote before, Sexton or Gus or a combo of both got it in the Powers' That Be heads he was gonna walk to Arkansas if we didn't killed the fatted calf for him and his crazy-ass wife. So, we did. And now, we are screwed beyond the telling of it for doing so.
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Because, as I wrote before, Sexton or Gus or a combo of both got it in the Powers' That Be heads he was gonna walk to Arkansas if we didn't killed the fatted calf for him and his crazy-ass wife. So, we did. And now, we are screwed beyond the telling of it for doing so.
You gotta be willing to say "walk bitch".
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You gotta be willing to say "walk bitch".
The Flush hath spoken
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You gotta be willing to say "walk bitch".
Yep. But we didn't. And now we have to beat an Ole Miss squad coached by a can of spam with hair who is leading a team on probation just to make the damn Birmingham Bowl. Seems to me, we are the bitches.
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Where is it written in law that Auburn to pay him immediately?
Just suspend him from all athletic functions and bide your time, let the coach of your choice finish out the year and then make a more "thoughtful", calculated decision.
Still have to pay him but this can get far uglier by allowing him to hang around.
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Ex-fucking-actly! Why in the 7 layers of hell were we (Auburn) giving away the farm? I cannot for the life of me understand it. As someone who has some amount of negotiating experience I do not understand how it happens? We (Auburn) had the stronger negotiating platform and just said fuck it, "uncle".
This is what I don't understand. I'm supposedly not as smart as the President of our University and the BoT's but what the fuck are they thinking or seeing in Gus? Why in fucksake would you make a contract like that. I just don't get it. Did they just not want to deal with a coaching search? Does Gus give really good blow-jobs?
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This is what I don't understand. I'm supposedly not as smart as the President of our University and the BoT's but what the fuck are they thinking or seeing in Gus? Why in fucksake would you make a contract like that. I just don't get it. Did they just not want to deal with a coaching search? Does Gus give really good blow-jobs?
Well, he is the Head Coach.
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Well, he is the Head Coach.
:rimshot:
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This is what I don't understand. I'm supposedly not as smart as the President of our University and the BoT's but what the fuck are they thinking or seeing in Gus? Why in fucksake would you make a contract like that. I just don't get it. Did they just not want to deal with a coaching search? Does Gus give really good blow-jobs?
He's got pictures of somebody with dead hookers or live boys.
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He's got pictures of somebody with dead hookers or live boys.
Yella fella likes the boys?
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We lose the rematch against UGA in the SECCG because we have no running back healthy enough to carry the load similar to @ UGA the year before when they had a most pathetic team.
WE had a healthy RB. He was just sideline decor!
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WE had a healthy RB. He was just sideline decor!
Foul! He took me out of context. Who do I complain to, Kay Ivey? No...leftist sources indicate she's stroking out not to mention she's on the Awbun Bowd uh trusteeeez. Who is this healthy back you are referring to sir? I gotta know.
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Foul! He took me out of context. Who do I complain to, Kay Ivey? No...leftist sources indicate she's stroking out not to mention she's on the Awbun Bowd uh trusteeeez. Who is this healthy back you are referring to sir? I gotta know.
Pettway was ready to go! He had been healthy for weeks. But apparently Gus had suspended him, but told no one. Word is he was back to full speed. I shudder to think of the ass whooping we would have given UGA with him back there!
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Pettway was ready to go! He had been healthy for weeks. But apparently Gus had suspended him, but told no one. Word is he was back to full speed. I shudder to think of the ass whooping we would have given UGA with him back there!
All the more reason then to unload this shithead on a network dedicated to boring an audience to death.
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Pettway was ready to go! He had been healthy for weeks. But apparently Gus had suspended him, but told no one. Word is he was back to full speed. I shudder to think of the ass whooping we would have given UGA with him back there!
Yup. He was healthy. WOTS Pettway failed a drug test...he liked to smoke and Malzahn apparently doesn't allow that, so he went with a busted up RB that could barely hold the football. Smh.