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« on: May 17, 2010, 12:27:25 PM »
In case there was any doubt...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/my-gun-control/

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Thursday, May 13, 2010
NUGENT: My gun control
Celebrate 139 years of the NRA
By Ted Nugent

Water, water, everywhere water. Know it, embrace it, manage it or drown. Same goes for cars, trucks, chain saws, knives, crowbars, blowtorches, teakettles and guns. I will not be denied the pragmatic, functional utility of anything based on the inept, clumsy, irresponsible failure of brain-dead, uncoordinated numskulls.

I will not drown; drink and drive; chain-saw massacre anyone; stumble; slice, burn or shoot myself, nor will I ever hold up a bank. So the best advice would be to think, improvise, adapt and overcome, man up, but by all means, leave me alone. You don't ban electric guitars just because someone may have a lapse in logic, goodwill and decency and spontaneously break out into country and Western music. The vast majority of sensible people will use electric guitars as God intended and whip out good, sexy rock 'n' roll licks.

I need my cars, trucks, chain saws, knives, crowbars, blowtorches, scalding-hot water, guitars and guns, thank you. Amazingly, I have mastered them all, and they are all wonderful ingredients for my American dream of rugged individualism, declared independence and self-sufficiency. They all serve me well, and I am not giving up any of them. Ever.

The masses must never be controlled for the sake of the lunatic fringe. Remember "Don't Tread on Me"? Don't.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) was formed 139 years ago. Members of this ultimate "we the people" grass-roots family organization dedicated to the self-evident truth of self-defense will gather together in Charlotte, N.C., May 14 through 16 for our annual meetings to celebrate good over evil. It is a beautiful thing. I will be there.

With NRA memberships increasing and gun and ammo sales and concealed-weapons permits surging at unprecedented rates, never in the history of mankind have more people possessed more firepower and, most significantly, carried more concealed weapons on their persons than today across America.

And the inescapable truth - as FBI crime reports and numerous law enforcement and academic studies conclude - is that more guns clearly equal less crime. Where there are more guns per capita, violent crime goes down, particularly crimes of assault, such as rape, burglary and robbery. This is good. This is what the NRA stands for. Anti-gunners, not so much.

It is indeed Chicago Mayor Richard Daley's gun-ban dream of "gun-free zones" that have proved to be the guaranteed slaughter zones, where the most innocent lives are lost every time. Think Columbine, Virginia Tech, Lane Bryant, Northwest Illinois University, New Jersey, Salt Lake City and Omaha malls, Luby's Cafeteria, Calgary University, Toronto, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Boston, Flight 93, the mayor's office in San Francisco, ad nauseam. Peace and love will get you killed, and unarmed helplessness is a welcome matt for evil. It's common sense unless, of course, your anthem goes "baaa ... baaa ... baaa."

So why in God's good name would any human being wish to force unarmed helplessness on another? That level of cruel indecency and forced victimization is incomprehensible to me and about 100 million Americans who own guns and believe in self-defense. The lunatic-fringe left won't dare touch the issue of gun control. Self-defense is the most powerful, driving instinct in good people everywhere. To deny this is evil personified.

Write this down: Gun-free zones are a felon's playground. Ban gun-free zones now. Join the NRA.

Good people don't want the rapist to succeed. We want him dead. We don't want our homes invaded. We want invaders dead. We don't like carjackers. We like them dead. We don't like armed robbers. We like them dead.

We have examined all the evidence we could possibly need to know that calling 911 is a joke unless, of course, the cops bring a dustpan and a mop to clean up the dead monster we just shot while protecting our families.

The choice is clear: Gun control as forced by the Chuck Schumers and Michael Bloombergs of the world is complicit in every violent crime committed. Conversely, gun control a la Ted Nugent is putting the second shot through the same hole as the first shot, where innocent lives are saved and recidivistic maggots come to a screeching halt, felled by the lovely ballet of good over evil we call the "Double Tap Center Mass Boogie." Learn it, know it, love it, shoot it. Good guys should live, bad guys, not so much.

It is reassuring and ultimately convenient that fresh from escaping the scourge of tyranny and slavery of kings and emperors, our brilliant, sensible Founding Fathers knew it was important to write down the self-evident truth that the right to self-defense is surely a God-given individual right to keep and bear arms.

Write this down, too: "To keep" means it is mine, you can't have it. "Bear" means I've got mine right here on me. "Shall not be infringed" echoes that beautiful "Don't Tread on Me" chorus. Sing it.

I like the U.S. Constitution and our sacred Bill Of Rights, but quite frankly, I don't really need them to know in my heart and soul the list of self-evident truths therein. Those came from thinking, common-sense men who refused to be helpless, dependent slaves to anyone or anything. Those truths are all burned forever into my soul. I live them, no matter what.

Meanwhile, in order to stop the drowning and murders, I will work on banning water; President Obama can try to ban guns. Good luck. Save an innocent life, join the NRA and celebrate 139 years of keeping and bearing. Drive a bad guy nuts. Then shoot him.

Ted Nugent is an unstoppable American rock 'n' roll, sporting and political-activist icon. Author of "Ted, White & Blue: The Nugent Manifesto" and "God, Guns & Rock 'N' Roll" (Regnery Publishing), he serves in the NRA board of directors.

No gray areas...  Absolute positions...  No doubt...  It's pretty clear to me. 
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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 03:04:27 PM »
In case there was any doubt...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/my-gun-control/

No gray areas...  Absolute positions...  No doubt...  It's pretty clear to me. 

Ακριβώς ποιων σκέφτεστε ότι μπαίνετε σε αυτό το φόρουμ beta για να μιλήσετε για την ηθική απολυταρχία σας;
Moral absolutist!

Great article!

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 03:14:20 PM »
Ακριβώς ποιων σκέφτεστε ότι μπαίνετε σε αυτό το φόρουμ beta για να μιλήσετε για την ηθική απολυταρχία σας;
Moral absolutist!

Great article!



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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 03:18:41 PM »
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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 03:19:39 PM »
By your reasoning, these guys are also alpha males...



Just saying...
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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 03:21:41 PM »
In case there was any doubt...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/my-gun-control/

No gray areas...  Absolute positions...  No doubt...  It's pretty clear to me. 

You're smart enough to realize that absolutes rarely end well for the party asserting them.  There are precious few things in life that can be reduced to black/white.

I'll preemptively call myself racist for that last sentence.
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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 03:23:11 PM »
By your reasoning, these guys are also alpha males...



Just saying...

Absolutely!  YEAHYAAHH!!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 03:25:17 PM »
Damn crazy drug-addled rock-n-roll gun freak!
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2010, 03:34:18 PM »
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2010, 03:51:12 PM »
I understand where Nugent is coming from for the most part, but he's also waaayyyy out in La-La land.  I watched an episode the other night where he brought down a moose with a bow and it only confirmed what I've thought all along....that boy ain't right in the head.

"When I come up on a magnificent beast like this and every fiber of my inner being just screams out for joy as the spirit of the one great animal god rips through my very core. (Long, deep inhale and goofy smile as he looks to the sky) I know that slaughtering a beast like this is good and right and helps to protect and sanctify natures circle of never ending goodness and....

STFU already Ted.  Being rich and living on a farm where corn fed big game animals are released from a holding pen just before you begin your 'hunt" does not make you one with nature.  I watched the man bow hunt whitetail over a field that was...GOLD.  The hapless deer were walking and feeding in a field that had no grass, only feed.  Ssssnnnniiiiifffff....aahhh...smell that?  It's the spirit of the wild as it pulses through my veins.

 
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2010, 03:53:28 PM »
I understand where Nugent is coming from for the most part, but he's also waaayyyy out in La-La land.  I watched an episode the other night where he brought down a moose with a bow and it only confirmed what I've thought all along....that boy ain't right in the head.

"When I come up on a magnificent beast like this and every fiber of my inner being just screams out for joy as the spirit of the one great animal god rips through my very core. (Long, deep inhale and goofy smile as he looks to the sky) I know that slaughtering a beast like this is good and right and helps to protect and sanctify natures circle of never ending goodness and....

STFU already Ted.  Being rich and living on a farm where corn fed big game animals are released from a holding pen just before you begin your 'hunt" does not make you one with nature.  I watched the man bow hunt whitetail over a field that was...GOLD.  The hapless deer were walking and feeding in a field that had no grass, only feed.  Ssssnnnniiiiifffff....aahhh...smell that?  It's the spirit of the wild as it pulses through my veins.

 

Yeah yeah - you say this all on the Al Gore Innerwebs, but what would Ted do if you were saying this 10 feet (or 1,324 feet) from him?
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2010, 03:56:35 PM »
Yeah yeah - you say this all on the Al Gore Innerwebs, but what would Ted do if you were saying this 10 feet (or 1,324 feet) from him?

Well, I may look stupid but....

No, I grew on Ted and saw him in concert.  Love hunting etc.  But this guy is a certifiable nuttz case.
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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 04:00:51 PM »
I understand where Nugent is coming from for the most part, but he's also waaayyyy out in La-La land.  I watched an episode the other night where he brought down a moose with a bow and it only confirmed what I've thought all along....that boy ain't right in the head.

"When I come up on a magnificent beast like this and every fiber of my inner being just screams out for joy as the spirit of the one great animal god rips through my very core. (Long, deep inhale and goofy smile as he looks to the sky) I know that slaughtering a beast like this is good and right and helps to protect and sanctify natures circle of never ending goodness and....

STFU already Ted.  Being rich and living on a farm where corn fed big game animals are released from a holding pen just before you begin your 'hunt" does not make you one with nature.  I watched the man bow hunt whitetail over a field that was...GOLD.  The hapless deer were walking and feeding in a field that had no grass, only feed.  Ssssnnnniiiiifffff....aahhh...smell that?  It's the spirit of the wild as it pulses through my veins.

 

Ted is goofy, and loud...but he's spot on on gun rights and gun control, and hunters rights.  In some states using bait is perfectly legal, Texas for one.  I assume it is in Mich too if that's where Nugent filmed that hunt.    
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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2010, 04:05:11 PM »
You're smart enough to realize that absolutes rarely end well for the party asserting them.  There are precious few things in life that can be reduced to black/white.

I'll preemptively call myself racist for that last sentence. 

I couldn't disagree more with you.  Absolutes are everywhere, and there's nothing wrong with them.  It's just become fashionable, Oprah-esque and Politically Correct to accept moral and socio-economic subjectivism as "justification" for these gray areas.  He car-jacked you because he was economically "disadvantaged", lacked transportation or hungry, and therefore should receive a lighter sentence...  BULLSCHIT!  Cap his ass and do society a favor.
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2010, 04:08:24 PM »
Well, I may look stupid but....

No, I grew on Ted and saw him in concert.  Love hunting etc.  But this guy is a certifiable nuttz case. 

Ted may be out there I don't disagree, but the message holds true.  It doesn't make it any less relevant, and it doesn't make it incorrect.  Aside from that, I'm still a fan, and I'll always be... 
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2010, 04:12:59 PM »
I couldn't disagree more with you.  Absolutes are everywhere, and there's nothing wrong with them.  It's just become fashionable, Oprah-esque and Politically Correct to accept moral and socio-economic subjectivism as "justification" for these gray areas.  He car-jacked you because he was economically "disadvantaged", lacked transportation or hungry, and therefore should receive a lighter sentence...  BULLSCHIT!  Cap his ass and do society a favor.

Politically speaking, absolutes, and "all or nothing" gets you beat every time.  Guns and hunting are issues that the proponents have to be willing to compromise on, and take baby steps at times. 
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010, 04:13:25 PM »
I couldn't disagree more with you.  Absolutes are everywhere, and there's nothing wrong with them.  It's just become fashionable, Oprah-esque and Politically Correct to accept moral and socio-economic subjectivism as "justification" for these gray areas.  He car-jacked you because he was economically "disadvantaged", lacked transportation or hungry, and therefore should receive a lighter sentence...  BULLSCHIT!  Cap his ass and do society a favor.

Wasn't this already discussed in the BETA-MALE thread?
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: The alpha-Male...
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2010, 04:27:21 PM »
Politically speaking, absolutes, and "all or nothing" gets you beat every time.  Guns and hunting are issues that the proponents have to be willing to compromise on, and take baby steps at times. 

Again, I strongly disagree on both points.  The absolutes, and "all or nothing" gets you beat every time only happens when you're on the wrong side of the position.  As for compromise, you can't be serious.  They took their baby-steps during he Clinton years banning high-capacity magazines and declaring certain hunting firearms as assault rifles.  Today, they're calling the device used in the attempted bombing in New York a WMD, but we can't agree on the same classification of the thousands of more powerful weapons confiscated and destroyed in Iraq that were found. 
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010, 04:32:51 PM »
Again, I strongly disagree on both points.  The absolutes, and "all or nothing" gets you beat every time only happens when you're on the wrong side of the position.  As for compromise, you can't be serious.  They took their baby-steps during he Clinton years banning high-capacity magazines and declaring certain hunting firearms as assault rifles.  Today, they're calling the device used in the attempted bombing in New York a WMD, but we can't agree on the same classification of the thousands of more powerful weapons confiscated and destroyed in Iraq that were found. 

Disagree if you want, you'll be wrong.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2010, 04:33:49 PM »
A hunter that is willing to compromise on gun rights, is a last generation hunter.


And a beta-male.
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.