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Move over Gary Johnson...

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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2016, 10:02:34 AM »
He's probably the one that's been lettin' all them illegal New Mexicans come in this country.

Actually he's a pretty big advocate for open borders. So yeah. Some of these so called libertarians are closer to being anarchists which is where I have a lot of issue with them. His tariff and immigration stances are horrid. But all of his fan boys ignore those things only lamenting on what are perceived as his positives. If he got into the national spotlight like the others are now, he would more than likely appear just about as flawed as the mainstream ones do now.

Chadskins ain't gonna like ole GH much for that response but it's true. Nothing personal.
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #101 on: May 19, 2016, 10:07:26 AM »
Actually he's a pretty big advocate for open borders. So yeah. Some of these so called libertarians are closer to being anarchists which is where I have a lot of issue with them. His tariff and immigration stances are horrid. But all of his fan boys ignore those things only lamenting on what are perceived as his positives. If he got into the national spotlight like the others are now, he would more than likely appear just about as flawed as the mainstream ones do now.

Chadskins ain't gonna like ole GH much for that response but it's true. Nothing personal.


Pot stirrer :pot:
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #102 on: May 19, 2016, 10:08:21 AM »

Pot stirrer :pot:

Or facts largely ignored.
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2016, 11:19:45 AM »
Actually he's a pretty big advocate for open borders. So yeah. Some of these so called libertarians are closer to being anarchists which is where I have a lot of issue with them. His tariff and immigration stances are horrid. But all of his fan boys ignore those things only lamenting on what are perceived as his positives. If he got into the national spotlight like the others are now, he would more than likely appear just about as flawed as the mainstream ones do now.

Chadskins ain't gonna like ole GH much for that response but it's true. Nothing personal.
OR I agree with him because I operate on facts vs. feels.

Net immigration is NEGATIVE from Mexico to the US, but facts are for cucks.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

And what does the governor of New Mexico know about Mexican immigration, amirite?
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #104 on: May 19, 2016, 11:35:11 AM »
If your gripe is a lack of a viable 3rd party option, then use your sacred vote to enact that change.  Throwing it away on a foregone conclusion just reinforces the two party system you claim to hate.

Your two-party vote is wasted anyway...Alabama will vote "red" regardless of the candidate.  So, do something worthwhile with your vote and make your voice heard.

No, I'm not advocating for a viable third party. 

I'd prefer that the current system not be media controlled and give us better options. 

That or remove party affiliation in general 
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2016, 11:49:57 AM »
OR I agree with him because I operate on facts vs. feels.

Net immigration is NEGATIVE from Mexico to the US, but facts are for cucks.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

And what does the governor of New Mexico know about Mexican immigration, amirite?

Not saying that isn't true. I'm saying that's his general policy position. He favors open borders. And having that as a policy position as potus is dangerous. Thankfully his legislature in New Mexico kept him in check. Most of the illegal immigration occurs via Texas anyway. It's his position on the matter that is the point.

And let's talk about how the removal of all tariffs is just as bad as the opposite position of raising them too high causing a trade war. Care to explain that one away?

He's also being bankrolled by the kochs now. Outsider I tell ya

No one is against a 3rd party. But at this stage of the game it is not viable. If Johnson or the kochs or anyone else wanted this to be viable they should have been laying some serious groundwork the day after Romney loss to Obama. But they haven't.
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #106 on: May 19, 2016, 12:12:24 PM »
Not saying that isn't true. I'm saying that's his general policy position. He favors open borders. And having that as a policy position as potus is dangerous. Thankfully his legislature in New Mexico kept him in check. Most of the illegal immigration occurs via Texas anyway. It's his position on the matter that is the point.

And let's talk about how the removal of all tariffs is just as bad as the opposite position of raising them too high causing a trade war. Care to explain that one away?

He's also being bankrolled by the kochs now. Outsider I tell ya

No one is against a 3rd party. But at this stage of the game it is not viable. If Johnson or the kochs or anyone else wanted this to be viable they should have been laying some serious groundwork the day after Romney loss to Obama. But they haven't.

https://reason.com/archives/2016/04/21/buy-american-hurts-americans

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Buy American' Hurts Americans

Mike Lindell, president of My Pillow Inc., seems like a nice guy, and I like his product. But he says something in his commercial that bothers me: "Every part of my product is made in the USA."

What could be wrong with that? Lots of things.

First, is it true? Lindell may really believe what he says, but I suspect that if he thoroughly inventoried his Chaska, Minnesota, factory, he'd find many things made (at least in part) by people in other countries. Since he says, "every part of my product," he may be thinking in narrow terms. But what about every aspect of his production process? If he uses vehicles made outside the United States to transport his goods to a shipping center, his statement is inaccurate. If the grass on his business property is cut with a Japanese lawnmower or the coffee he provides his employees is grown in Colombia, his statement is inaccurate. In a global economy few things are the product of only one place.

But let's assume Lindell is right. Would it really be such a great thing? No, not really.

His statement implies that buying only American-made parts is good not just for the particular Americans who make and sell those parts, but for all Americans—indeed for America as a whole. But that can't be true. Sure, it is good for those who make the parts, but it's bad for unidentifiable other Americans, and that means it can't be good for the whole country.

Observe: if Lindell bought foreign-made parts, he would pay for them with dollars. But his foreign vendors can't spend dollars in their home countries, just as Americans can't buy groceries with Japanese yen,  Chinese yuan, or euros. Foreign vendors, however, can use dollars to buy American products or invest in the U.S. part of the world economy. The only other thing they can do with their dollars is sell them for their home currency, but then the buyer of those dollars would face the same choice to buy American products or invest in the United States. (The so-called trade deficit equals the dollar amount of the investment in America that foreign exporters undertake. That deficit is no problem, Messrs. Trump and Sanders.)

So if Lindell really buys all his parts from Americans, other Americans lose out because some sales and investments don't happen.
When doing economic analysis, the French economist Frederic Bastiat taught, look for the unseen as well as the seen consequences.

I don't mean to criticize Lindell. My point is that his implicit message—that Buy American is good for all of America—is untrue.

Lindell's Buy-American policy raises other questions. Are American parts more expensive than foreign parts? If so, does he try to pass the higher costs to his customers? If so, he makes it harder for poorer Americans to buy his pillows. A higher price also puts his product—and therefore his company and employees—at a disadvantage in the marketplace. Does he think American consumers care where products are made? Whatever they may tell pollsters, what Americans really care about—judging by their actions—is the combination of price and quality. Let Lindell advertise: "Every part of my product is made in the USA—so we charge you more than our competitors do." The response would be informative.

However, maybe he doesn't pass along the extra cost. Maybe he accepts lower profits. If so, how does he improve his factory, increase employee productivity, and pay competitive wages? If his profit is lower, he also has less money to spend on other American and foreign products and less to invest.


Again, my point is not to criticize Lindell. It's to show that he's not helping America as a whole.

But now I must end on a critical note. When Lindell touts his Buy-American policy, he seems to be suggesting that Americans are more worthy than non-Americans. Is human worth really determined by which side of an arbitrary national boundary one was born on?

Trade among perfect strangers from all over the world is cooperation, trust, mutual benefit, and peace in action. Don't we need more of it? Injecting divisive nationalism into commerce, however innocently, violates the true liberal spirit, which has bestowed incalculable blessings on the human race.

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Also, I know this is the excuse used for Bernie and Trump, but of all policies Congress would be hard-pressed to approve of, ones that make them less capable of wetting their beaks is at the top of that list. I'm fairly certain this way more rhetoric on how it "should be" vs. what he would actually try to enact. More than most, he's a work-big-to-small on specific solutions to specific problems guy, and I doubt this is anywhere near a top priority for him.

If this is the worst policy you can drudge up, I don't think it's in the same ballpark as Hillary, Trump, or God forbid Bernie's worst policy proposals.
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2016, 12:54:16 PM »
I'm sorry Chizad. 

That is the stupidest argument I've ever seen posted.  Ever.

Fuck whatever clown wrote that.  He needs to be deported. 
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Re: Move over Gary Johnson...
« Reply #108 on: May 19, 2016, 01:40:38 PM »
https://reason.com/archives/2016/04/21/buy-american-hurts-americans

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Also, I know this is the excuse used for Bernie and Trump, but of all policies Congress would be hard-pressed to approve of, ones that make them less capable of wetting their beaks is at the top of that list. I'm fairly certain this way more rhetoric on how it "should be" vs. what he would actually try to enact. More than most, he's a work-big-to-small on specific solutions to specific problems guy, and I doubt this is anywhere near a top priority for him.

If this is the worst policy you can drudge up, I don't think it's in the same ballpark as Hillary, Trump, or God forbid Bernie's worst policy proposals.

Nafta.

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