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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2015, 10:03:10 AM »
c) If whiny tempermental Jewish boy was such a Jedi badass that he could stop a laser bolt from a gun, why didn't he just throw a little force at the black kid, immobilize him and carve him up like a Christmas turkey?

Or stop Chewie from shooting him.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2015, 10:04:35 AM »
Kaos stuff I agree with
I will say one thing to defend Jewish Solo. He isn't a force badass.  He thinks he is but his training is incomplete and shoddy at best. 

He isn't aware of how to make a perfect lightsaber, which is why his was so loud and scraggly when compared to Luke's.   
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2015, 10:06:38 AM »
Or stop Chewie from shooting him.
again this one I will say what I just said, he isn't aware of his surroundings and was surprised when Chewie shot him.  I think if anything they made him appear to be too powerful at the beginning he isn't supposed to be a bad ass. 

He is powerful when compared to other regular beings, but when force sensitive Rey encounters him she is able to overpower him fairly easily.

Then again this is all just the fanboi in me.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2015, 10:18:37 AM »
again this one I will say what I just said, he isn't aware of his surroundings and was surprised when Chewie shot him.  I think if anything they made him appear to be too powerful at the beginning he isn't supposed to be a bad ass. 

He is powerful when compared to other regular beings, but when force sensitive Rey encounters him she is able to overpower him fairly easily.

Then again this is all just the fanboi in me.

He seemed pretty pussified. 

Let me add this to the Jar Jar theory. 

If that had been properly executed it had the potential to be awesome.  But the character itself was poorly formed.   It "looked" wrong.   And then the essentially racist pattern of speech completely doomed it.  There was no way to recover from the "meesa" shit.   Whoever made that choice destroyed whatever chance the film had to keep the character. 

Perhaps that was the plan.  If so, it would have been a good one.  In retrospect, the worst part of the Prequels wasn't really Jar Jar it was Hayden, Ewan, Liam, Natalie, Jake (the Jingle All the Way kid), Jimmy Smits and some of the worst acting and hokiest scripts ever seen.  Hayden was particularly bad.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2015, 10:33:18 AM »
In retrospect, the worst part of the Prequels wasn't really Jar Jar it was Hayden, Ewan, Liam, Natalie, Jake (the Jingle All the Way kid), Jimmy Smits and some of the worst acting and hokiest scripts ever seen.  Hayden was particularly bad.

I thought Ewan McGregor was one of the bright spots.  I would not mind seeing him reprise Obi-Wan for one of the Anthology films they are doing in the off years between the episode movies.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2015, 10:41:26 AM »
I thought Ewan McGregor was one of the bright spots.  I would not mind seeing him reprise Obi-Wan for one of the Anthology films they are doing in the off years between the episode movies.

Seemed pretty wooden, cheesy and not-fun to me.  But it could have just been the awful cast around him.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2015, 10:45:22 AM »
I don't remember sitting through 4,5 or 6. I watched 1 because of my little one at the time and thought it was stupid. I know who Luke, Vader, Hans Solo and Leia are...that's about it...
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1 is beyond a shadow of a doubt the worst pile of garbage in the Star Wars franchise, including the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special.

2 and 3 get slightly less bad, but not by much.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2015, 11:22:20 AM »
I will say one thing to defend Jewish Solo. He isn't a force badass.  He thinks he is but his training is incomplete and shoddy at best. 

He isn't aware of how to make a perfect lightsaber, which is why his was so loud and scraggly when compared to Luke's.

huh...they make their own sabers with the force? Never knew that...
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2015, 11:44:46 AM »
2) The acting from both Rey and Finn was really terrible. 3/4 of their scenes involved running toward the camera, sliding to a stop and making some sort of grimacing face.
Disagree. Compared to the prequels they are fucking Sir Laurence Olivier. And if you try to shed the nostalgia, the original trilogy cast wasn't exactly Daniel Day Lewis. I think the performances here were great, especially by comparison.

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3) I'm just not ready to accept the fact that either she or sweating boy could pick up a light sword and immediately go to battle against some supposedly deadly master of the force.  All that was so inconsistent.
a) How did they know how to use the sword in the first place?
b) How could they match parry and thrust against somebody trained to use it
Gotta agree with you on these.  Thought the same thing at the time, I'll add that it was amazing with no training that Rey suddenly was a master of the force.  BTW how did she know how to Jedi mind trick?  She lived on the planet by herself, thought Jedi were just a myth, messes with Jewish Solo once and suddenly she knows how to Jedi Mind trick the guard.
I'll lump these together. First of all, it was obvious that she had at least heard about the Force, Jedi's etc., but believed them to be myths. Han tells her "it's all true". After Maz Kanata shows her the lightsaber and then she has the "Force vision" like Luke had at Degoba, it's pretty clear she was getting a sense that shit was up. Furthermore, like I said, it's pretty obvious she's Luke's daughter, and maybe we find out the mother is also a Jedi, so maybe the force is even stronger in her than anyone we've seen before, allowing her to at least show some ability to use it without proper training.

Regardless of that, I fail to see how Luke's journey to the Force is super believable but Rey's is just completely implausible.

Before Luke met Yoda, he was already able to fight blindfolded against the drone thing, force pull a lightsaber in the wampa cave, communicate with a force ghost, hit an "impossible, even for a computer" target in the Death Star. Remember, Obi-wan didn't train him, he just told him about the Force. Pretty much just what Han did with Rey.

By comparison, Rey pulled together everything she had to do a mind trick on a stormtrooper after failing a few times first and kind-of-sort-of force pulled a lightsaber herself. I guess you could say she also resisted Kylo Ren's mind reading, and also was able to fend him off when he was injured and distracted. And like Brian said, clearly he's learning the ropes a bit himself.

And I assume "sweaty boy" is Finn? Clearly, he wasn't exactly great at wielding the lightsaber considering he got his ass handed to him. And Jedi aren't the only ones that can use lightsabers. Remember Han used one to slice open a tauntaun. And the four-armed robot General Grievous used lightsabers like a fucking Cirque du Soleil juggler in the prequels.

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c) If whiny tempermental Jewish boy was such a Jedi badass that he could stop a laser bolt from a gun, why didn't he just throw a little force at the black kid, immobilize him and carve him up like a Christmas turkey?
d) Jedi can fly through the air. That silly ass gap in the ground from the explosion would be nothing to jump over
When have Jedi flown through the air? In the prequels I guess Yoda does some unnaturally high gymnastic jumping, but first of all, as we mentioned, the prequels are pretty much garbage, and secondly, it's not exactly self levitation.

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5) They land on a place THE SIZE OF A PLANET and immediately stumble on Rey.  That's like me knowing that my pet rabbit was taken to China, taking a plane and immediately coming across the same pasture where my rabbit is hopping around. Yeah. No.
Again, plenty of precedence for this in both the originals and prequels. How did Luke know where to find Yoda on the entire planet of Dagobah? In Phantom menace, Qui Gon and Obi Wan stow away on separate ships (for no explainable reason) to Naboo and they meet up in the same spot in the woods on the complete opposite side of the planet of the city Amagdala's in, which is why they went there in first place. Remember, they had to coincidentally stumble upon Jar Jar, who brought them underwater, and then they decided that the quickest way to the city would just be to swim through the core of the planet. By comparison to that bullshit, this is completely plausible.

I think, bottom line, you're watching this one with adult eyes and completely forgave all of this same exact type of shit in the originals.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2015, 11:50:47 AM »
If you've never seen the Red Letter Media reviews of the prequels, I suggest you do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&feature=youtu.be&list=PL9A12F8F947849C30

This is series of videos and if you watch all of them for all three episodes, they add up to a lot of viewing time. I saw the running time and thought there was no way I'd watch them all, but then I couldn't stop watching, and I'm glad I did. Where before I just vaguely disliked the prequels, after watching this, I was able to recognize them as perhaps the biggest pieces of shit in all of big-budget Hollywood production history.

Also, it's told in-character by a deranged serial killer for some bonus lulz.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2015, 12:14:23 PM »
If you've never seen the Red Letter Media reviews of the prequels, I suggest you do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&feature=youtu.be&list=PL9A12F8F947849C30


But when you watch that, aren't you doing the exact same thing you criticize others of doing, and that being "watching this one with adult eyes."

Look, I agree, the prequels really fail to live up to the standards set by the OT.  But for all the shit we give them, Episode I wasn't a reboot of ANH.  Lucas tried to tell an original story.

Go back and watch them in Machete Order.  Makes AOTC and ROTS much better.

http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/

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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2015, 01:36:37 PM »
But when you watch that, aren't you doing the exact same thing you criticize others of doing, and that being "watching this one with adult eyes."

Look, I agree, the prequels really fail to live up to the standards set by the OT.  But for all the shit we give them, Episode I wasn't a reboot of ANH.  Lucas tried to tell an original story.

Go back and watch them in Machete Order.  Makes AOTC and ROTS much better.

http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/
I do agree with this. Made my wife watch the Machete order this summer as her first introduction (that she can remember) to the series. Works much better that way. Among other things, the Luke/Leia reveal is much more dramatic this way. It blew her mind.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2015, 03:17:51 PM »
But when you watch that, aren't you doing the exact same thing you criticize others of doing, and that being "watching this one with adult eyes."
More on this. Frankly, no.

Watching through adult eyes, I realize the Star Wars movies are Star Wars movies. They are fiction in a fictitious universe. The coincidences, the use of the force, etc. in the new movie is comparable and follows the same rules as the original. As does the plot. The visual effects and performances naturally progressed from the originals making them, at face value, better movies with all other things being equal.

Contrarily, the prequels were steaming piles of AIDS infested feces. None of it made a single iota of sense. Every single action taken by every single character was illogical and/or made no sense. The characters were robotic and emotionless reciting terrible dialogue. The sets were terrible primitive CGI that instantly took you out of whatever was going on around them. And in a lot of ways, it contradicted the original trilogy. Midichlorians? GTFO. Every lightsaber battle we saw in the original trilogy was grounded in reality, which allowed you to emotionally invest in them. Now all of the sudden Yoda, who barely moved in the original trilogy, can backflip and spin around like a fuckin' Mexican jumping bean. Guess there's a huge difference in being 875 years old and being 900 years old for whatever species he is.

And for what it's worth, the Red Letter Media guys reviewed The Force Awakens and liked it, with the exception of the nerdiest of the trio who is too cool to like any of the Star Wars movies to begin with.

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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #73 on: December 29, 2015, 04:24:33 PM »
And for what it's worth, the Red Letter Media guys reviewed The Force Awakens and liked it, with the exception of the nerdiest of the trio who is too cool to like any of the Star Wars movies to begin with.



Don't care who likes it, or who doesn't.  The fact that two of three guys I've never heard of like a movie isn't germane to the situation.



Last thing I'll say about the PT, at the end of the day, they serve to not make TFA the worst Star Wars movie.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #74 on: December 29, 2015, 04:42:34 PM »
Don't care who likes it, or who doesn't.  The fact that two of three guys I've never heard of like a movie isn't germane to the situation.
They're the ones that made the video I posted that rip the prequels to shreds, which you said are unfairly "viewing them with adult eyes". Which I said some in this thread are saying about Episode 7.

I'm saying the comparison is inequitable. The complaints about The Force Awakens that have been raised here fit in perfectly with the original Star Wars universe and could also be said about them. The complaints about the prequels are that it is incoherent garbage with a farting Jamaican amphibian, impersonable CGI, and a nonsensical plot. It's not the same.

I'm saying I agree with those guy's opinions on both the prequels (trash) and Episode 7 (good, comparable sequel to Return of the Jedi).
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #75 on: January 01, 2016, 12:20:11 PM »
Kwick Kwerstion.  Probably going to see this today.  Is the 3D version worth wearing the goofy glasses for a couple of hours?  I'd prefer not to.  I will if it makes a significant difference.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #76 on: January 01, 2016, 03:30:26 PM »
Kwick Kwerstion.  Probably going to see this today.  Is the 3D version worth wearing the goofy glasses for a couple of hours?  I'd prefer not to.  I will if it makes a significant difference.

Saw it both 2D and 3D and didn't think it was worth it.
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« Reply #77 on: January 01, 2016, 03:43:51 PM »
Saw it both 2D and 3D and didn't think it was worth it.

That's usually the case for me.  Can't recall a time when I came out of a 3D flick raving about it. Except that one porno.
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #78 on: January 01, 2016, 04:09:10 PM »
That's usually the case for me.  Can't recall a time when I came out of a 3D flick raving about it. Except that one porno.

Christmas Gangbang?
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Re: The Force Awakens
« Reply #79 on: January 01, 2016, 04:26:57 PM »
Christmas Gangbang?

What a classic.  I never thought I'd see the day they got Suddong Hussein and Woody Plow on the same set.  And that scene where they had those 5 girls in elf costumes bent over the couch in front of the Christmas tree, and you see Hussein and Plow walking straight towards the camera...man, it was like two 20 foot cocks about to bludgeon you in the face.  Best 3D mov......wait...I mean....yeah, Christmas Gangbang.
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