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[Snaggletiger]

exonerating? Listening to sports talk this morning and the host was reading a statement from John Bond's attorney about how the tape that's out is not authentic. (Info. posted here yesterday in another thread I believe) He goes on to say however, that Bond will be releasing tapes that will "exonerate himself, Bill Bell and MSU". 

Now, here's where all this doesn't make any sense at all to me.  And forget Scott Moore for a minute...we know what his motives are.  Everyone in the world who follows this saga is well aware that this has been investigated by MSU's Compliance Department, Auburn's Compliance Department, The SEC, The NCAA and The FBI.  Last year, the NCAA and SEC office issued a statement basically saying the following....and correct me if I'm wrong....They found that Cecil Newton solicited money from MSU during his son's recruitment.  They found no evidence of any money changing hands or any evidence of Cam Newton having knowledge of his father's dealings.  They ruled that Cam Newton was eligible to continue playing football.

To my knowledge, no one has received any letters of investigation from the NCAA. Not MSU nor Auburn. MSU has not been accused of paying Cecil or Cam or doing anything other than listening to Cecil's "demands".  So my question is....what exactly do John Bond, Bill Bell and MSU have to be exonerated from?  In whose eyes?  And if you had tapes while the investigations were going on...which you certainly would have to have.....you most assuredly played them for those people to "exonerate" yourself when it mattered.....right?  So.....????

[Godfather]

exonerating? Listening to sports talk this morning and the host was reading a statement from John Bond's attorney about how the tape that's out is not authentic. (Info. posted here yesterday in another thread I believe) He goes on to say however, that Bond will be releasing tapes that will "exonerate himself, Bill Bell and MSU". 

Now, here's where all this doesn't make any sense at all to me.  And forget Scott Moore for a minute...we know what his motives are.  Everyone in the world who follows this saga is well aware that this has been investigated by MSU's Compliance Department, Auburn's Compliance Department, The SEC, The NCAA and The FBI.  Last year, the NCAA and SEC office issued a statement basically saying the following....and correct me if I'm wrong....They found that Cecil Newton solicited money from MSU during his son's recruitment.  They found no evidence of any money changing hands or any evidence of Cam Newton having knowledge of his father's dealings.  They ruled that Cam Newton was eligible to continue playing football.

To my knowledge, no one has received any letters of investigation from the NCAA. Not MSU nor Auburn. MSU has not been accused of paying Cecil or Cam or doing anything other than listening to Cecil's "demands".  So my question is....what exactly do John Bond, Bill Bell and MSU have to be exonerated from?  In whose eyes?  And if you had tapes while the investigations were going on...which you certainly would have to have.....you most assuredly played them for those people to "exonerate" yourself when it mattered.....right?  So.....????

That's why it is all a non issue.

[Snaggletiger]

That's why it is all a non issue.

Fo realzz.  Who has ever accused Bond of doing anything other than being a colossal prick for breaking this story.

[Townhallsavoy]

Cecil did not solicit money.  At least, no one has officially reported that.

Cecil was in discussions with Kenny Rogers about a pay-for-play scheme.  "Discussions" is different from "demands."

I think the tapes will show Kenny Rogers asking for money, and maybe John Bond or Bill Bell saying "Go to hell."   

[JR4AU]

The only distinction or point I take issue with is Cacil's admission.  He admitted to taking part in or knowledge of a pay for play scheme along with Rogers.  There is no evidence thats been made public as to who first brought up money for Cam.  There is no evidence that this happened at any other school recruiting Cam.  It is plausible that Rogers started this all, and Cecil was stupid enough to consider it.  I even think that may have factored in to NCAA decision making.  Thats last part is my speculation.  There is no evidence Cecil was actively pimping Cam ti the highest bidder as you so commonly hear.  He may have been, but there is no public evidence of that, nor is that what the parties agreed to as the facts in the NCAA ruling.

[JR4AU]

Cecil did not solicit money.  At least, no one has officially reported that.

Cecil was in discussions with Kenny Rogers about a pay-for-play scheme.  "Discussions" is different from "demands."

I think the tapes will show Kenny Rogers asking for money, and maybe John Bond or Bill Bell saying "Go to hell."

Took me that long to type my post on my phone, but we agree a bazillion percent.

[Godfather]

The only distinction or point I take issue with is Cacil's admission.  He admitted to taking part in or knowledge of a pay for play scheme along with Rogers.  There is no evidence thats been made public as to who first brought up money for Cam.  There is no evidence that this happened at any other school recruiting Cam.  It is plausible that Rogers started this all, and Cecil was stupid enough to consider it.  I even think that may have factored in to NCAA decision making.  Thats last part is my speculation.  There is no evidence Cecil was actively pimping Cam ti the highest bidder as you so commonly hear.  He may have been, but there is no public evidence of that, nor is that what the parties agreed to as the facts in the NCAA ruling.

Thats my story and I'm stickin to it.

[JR4AU]

Thats my story and I'm stickin to it.

You may be being half a smartasd, but Cecil didnt meet Rogers by accident, that much I firmly believe.  Since their "scheme" blew up in their faces, it stands to reason that Rogers wasnt steered to Cecil because of Cecil's request.  And from what I know of Rogers, I can see him initiating all this in hopes of a payday for himself.

[Snaggletiger]

You may be being half a smartasd, but Cecil didnt meet Rogers by accident, that much I firmly believe.  Since their "scheme" blew up in their faces, it stands to reason that Rogers wasnt steered to Cecil because of Cecil's request.  And from what I know of Rogers, I can see him initiating all this in hopes of a payday for himself.

This has been my contention from the start.  I think Rogers felt with his ties to MSU and relationship with the Newton's, he could work up a nice deal to fatten up his money clip.  Does that relieve Cecil of any culpability?  Not in my mind.  And look, he's admitted it and taken a huge public flogging for it as well.  But unless I hear differently, I'll always believe Rogers was at the heart of this.

[Godfather]

You may be being half a smartasd, but Cecil didnt meet Rogers by accident, that much I firmly believe.  Since their "scheme" blew up in their faces, it stands to reason that Rogers wasnt steered to Cecil because of Cecil's request.  And from what I know of Rogers, I can see him initiating all this in hopes of a payday for himself.

I'm not that is the story that has always made the most sense to me and the one I spout anyways.

[jmar]

You may be being half a smartasd, but Cecil didnt meet Rogers by accident, that much I firmly believe.  Since their "scheme" blew up in their faces, it stands to reason that Rogers wasnt steered to Cecil because of Cecil's request.  And from what I know of Rogers, I can see him initiating all this in hopes of a payday for himself.

All I know is if Bond has to have a taped conversation with Rogers suspecting a deal, then he represents MSU. That's being complicit and exonnerates no one. 
So WTF does that have to do with Auburn?
NOT A DAMN THING!

[JR4AU]

All I know is if Bond has to have a taped conversation with Rogers suspecting a deal, then he represents MSU. That's being complicit and exonnerates no one. 
So WTF does that have to do with Auburn?
NOT A DAMN THING!

My theory onany tapes that might exist...

Who the fuck tapes phone calls and conversatios?  Someone covering their own ass, or someone trying to get the goods on you.  We know they continued to recruit Cam for some time following the "pay for play" began.  If they, Bond/MSU, were on the up and up, they would have broken contact immediately, and that would have been it.  IMHO, they intended to hold Cecil and Cam hostage withe the tapes.  "We aint paying, and we are going to out you if you don't play here."  May not have bren exactly that, but IF, any tapes exist beyond that of voicemails (which wr know are of Rogers), then whoever made them was up to no good to start with, and is now trying to cover their own ass while continuing to make trouble for Cam.  Megan Mullen supposedly recording a phone call from Cam borders on ludicrous.

[jmar]

My theory onany tapes that might exist...

Who the fuck tapes phone calls and conversatios?  Someone covering their own ass, or someone trying to get the goods on you.  We know they continued to recruit Cam for some time following the "pay for play" began.  If they, Bond/MSU, were on the up and up, they would have broken contact immediately, and that would have been it.  IMHO, they intended to hold Cecil and Cam hostage withe the tapes.  "We aint paying, and we are going to out you if you don't play here."  May not have bren exactly that, but IF, any tapes exist beyond that of voicemails (which wr know are of Rogers), then whoever made them was up to no good to start with, and is now trying to cover their own ass while continuing to make trouble for Cam.  Megan Mullen supposedly recording a phone call from Cam borders on ludicrous.

That's it!
 Because if you plop a recorder down on a table when money is being discussed the conversation STOPS. And secretly recording the other party REEKS!

[CCTAU]

That is why I insist that all secret negotiations be done via etch-a-sketch.

[jmar]

That is why I insist that all secret negotiations be done via etch-a-sketch.

Technology. Who knew!