Houston beatdown

GarMan · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2011, 04:21:31 PM »

Quote from: RWS on February 08, 2011, 03:50:31 PM

It doesn't matter where they kicked him. It doesn't matter how hard they kicked him. It doesn't matter how many of them kicked him. The point I think you are missing is that things like this is what truly handicaps law enforcement. If poop like this did not happen, the advocates wouldn't have anything to reference to say "SEE, this is why officers need some sort of control!". If I did what those officers did to some random guy on the street, my ass would go to jail. I would get convicted, real quick. What makes them any better?

So, I'm with you to some degree, but the beatdown was a tactic to control the situation. I've never disagreed that it was wrong, but I don't agree that it was the horrible beatdown that it appears to be in that video. I'm not unreasonable... If he was injured, fire the cops... Get the tar and feathers out too...

Quote from: RWS on February 08, 2011, 03:50:31 PM

I don't understand. Do you think they were just kicking the ground, and acting like they were going to kick him? Acting like they were punching him? How much did he need to be subdued to effectively arrest him? He was on the ground, in a surrender position.

They didn't know if he was armed. They didn't know if he would make a break for it if given the opportunity. I suspect that they overwhelmed him to gain the superior advantage. We don't know.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #41 on:** February 08, 2011, 04:28:08 PM »

Anyone see how CM Punk and Nexus overwhelmed Randy Orton last night to gain an advantage? They were trying to take out all the competitors prior to Wrestlemania.

Godfather · « **Reply #42 on:** February 08, 2011, 04:32:40 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on February 08, 2011, 04:28:08 PM

Anyone see how CM Punk and Nexus overwhelmed Randy Orton last night to gain an advantage? They were trying to take out all the competitors prior to Wrestlemania.

So did you get this kid to sign the paperwork yet? He needs lawyers that care.

RWS · « **Reply #43 on:** February 08, 2011, 04:42:02 PM »

Quote from: GarMan on February 08, 2011, 04:21:31 PM

So, I'm with you to some degree, but the beatdown was a tactic to control the situation. I've never disagreed that it was wrong, but I don't agree that it was the horrible beatdown that it appears to be in that video. I'm not unreasonable... If he was injured, fire the cops... Get the tar and feathers out too...

Fire the cops regardless of whether he was "injured" or not. But, looking at the video, I would imagine he was feeling mighty sore the next day. It's only a matter of time until cops like that do it again. Then, whoever that guy's defense attorney is will totally dunk the case by using that video to establish a pattern. Keeping officers like that is a liability to their department, and the public.

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They didn't know if he was armed. They didn't know if he would make a break for it if given the opportunity. I suspect that they overwhelmed him to gain the superior advantage. We don't know.

Still, it doesn't matter if he was armed. Obviously they weren't concerned about that, otherwise they would have cuffed and searched him immediately. There would have been no making a break for it had they done that in the first place either. As it stands, dude damn near had 5 cops on top of him the second he hit the ground. The officer that hit him with the car made a perfect clip. Up until the guys came in and beat him down, you couldn't have planned a better well executed takedown.

GarMan · « **Reply #44 on:** February 08, 2011, 04:44:17 PM »

Quote from: AWK on February 08, 2011, 04:02:18 PM

There is no hope for you.

1. He was kicked in the face. It is in the video. Everyone can see it. Either 1. You think the video is fake or 2. You didn't watch it. Either way, you are a certifiable ard-tard to try to argue that fact. It's as clear as day that you know you are wrong so you try to come up with that poop.

There might be one kick that you could argue touched his face, but the majority of kicks were more towards the shoulder and maybe the back of the head. You also cannot argue that these are full-force blows with an intention to cause any real injury. You're just joining the overdramatic crowd (sheep) by emphasizing that he was being kicked in the face. I don't see it, and I just watched the video again.

Quote from: AWK on February 08, 2011, 04:02:18 PM

2. Read what I wrote. I didn't say he was kicked with steel boats. I was using a metaphor to mock your obviously asinine argument.

Just do us all a favor, be quiet and let the adults talk. K.Thx.

Adults? Come on now... Playing ass-to-mouth games with your SO doesn't make you an adult. You drama-queens are all alike...

Token · « **Reply #45 on:** February 08, 2011, 04:58:20 PM »

No ass kicking administered by the police after a chase is tactically carried out to scare the perp. It's adrenalin, rage, and the sense of victory all rolled into one. It's a full blown melee. I guaren-fucking-tee not a single one of those guys held anything back. Those officers lost their job, cast a bad image on their department, and may have hampered any other cases they made just because they couldn't show restraint. All over a punk ass kid who probably would have been allowed to plead to theft 3rd instead of robbery so a pussy DA could keep the conviction rate up.

It's 2011. As someone has already mentioned, cameras are EVERYWHERE. If those guys are going to risk everything just so they could get the satisfaction of kicking this shit out of someone, they picked the wrong guy.

GarMan · « **Reply #46 on:** February 08, 2011, 04:59:38 PM »

Quote from: RWS on February 08, 2011, 04:42:02 PM

Fire the cops regardless of whether he was "injured" or not. But, looking at the video, I would imagine he was feeling mighty sore the next day. It's only a matter of time until cops like that do it again. Then, whoever that guy's defense attorney is will totally dunk the case by using that video to establish a pattern. Keeping officers like that is a liability to their department, and the public.

Again, you're assuming that this beatdown was even legit. Show me a swollen face... a bruised ribcage... other marks that he would have undoubtedlly received from this attack... Those pics would have been just as horrific as the actual appearance of the beatdown if this was actually legit (as in full-force punches, kicks, etc.).

Quote from: RWS on February 08, 2011, 04:42:02 PM

Still, it doesn't matter if he was armed. Obviously they weren't concerned about that, otherwise they would have cuffed and searched him immediately. There would have been no making a break for it had they done that in the first place either. As it stands, dude damn near had 5 cops on top of him the second he hit the ground. The officer that hit him with the car made a perfect clip. Up until the guys came in and beat him down, you couldn't have planned a better well executed takedown.

As I said... We don't know...
- What the officers were thinking at the time...
- What they had experienced with this kid prior to this...
- What they had experienced in similar situations prior to this...

You're talking about beat him down again like you know for certain that this kid was in the ICU for 3 weeks after this. Just a lot of speculation on everyone's part...

GarMan · « **Reply #47 on:** February 08, 2011, 05:01:31 PM »

Quote from: Token on February 08, 2011, 04:58:20 PM

No ass kicking administered by the police after a chase is tactically carried out to scare the perp. It's adrenalin, rage...

Horseshit...

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #48 on:** February 08, 2011, 05:06:49 PM »

You are fucking around here right Garmen? No way you actually believe this shit right? Please?

Godfather · « **Reply #49 on:** February 08, 2011, 05:20:12 PM »

Quote from: GarMan on February 08, 2011, 05:01:31 PM

Horseshit...

Token is a Sheriff you know, I think if anyone he would know?

RWS · « **Reply #50 on:** February 08, 2011, 05:26:02 PM »

Quote from: GarMan on February 08, 2011, 04:59:38 PM

Again, you're assuming that this beatdown was even legit. Show me a swollen face... a bruised ribcage... other marks that he would have undoubtedlly received from this attack... Those pics would have been just as horrific as the actual appearance of the beatdown if this was actually legit (as in full-force punches, kicks, etc.).

Doesn't. Matter. Dude, if you think those cops were just acting and not really hitting him just to get a scare out of him, then you're out of touch.

Bottom line: In no way, shape, or form is what happened in that video justifiable. Not even close.

GH2001 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:12:36 PM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on February 08, 2011, 05:06:49 PM

You are fucking around here right Garmen? No way you actually believe this shit right? Please?

Thats kind of what I was thinking.

GarMan might be on an island here by himself on this one....unless he's just tying to rile Taylor with the devil's advocate.

BIG PICTURE HERE: They violated protocol. Whether they were fake kicks, whether they landed, whether he's in ICU....doesn't matter. Dude put his hands behind his head - time to shut it down as RWS said. There was what appears to be a blatant assault by the cops in this video. The outcome doesn't make a rat's ass.

The intent to strike the guy was there. And the intended action happened. It was excessive. It violated protocol. End. Of. Story.

Saniflush · « **Reply #52 on:** February 09, 2011, 09:45:41 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on February 08, 2011, 05:06:49 PM

You are fucking around here right Garmen? No way you actually believe this shit right? Please?

djsimp · « **Reply #53 on:** February 09, 2011, 09:51:15 AM »

I hope that wasn't a treble hook, those are some sombitches to remove once they're set in deep.

CCTAU · « **Reply #54 on:** February 09, 2011, 09:57:27 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on February 08, 2011, 10:12:36 PM

Thats kind of what I was thinking.

GarMan might be on an island here by himself on this one....unless he's just tying to rile Taylor with the devil's advocate.

BIG PICTURE HERE: They violated protocol. Whether they were fake kicks, whether they landed, whether he's in ICU....doesn't matter. Dude put his hands behind his head - time to shut it down as RWS said. There was what appears to be a blatant assault by the cops in this video. The outcome doesn't make a rat's ass.

The intent to strike the guy was there. And the intended action happened. It was excessive. It violated protocol. End. Of. Story.

This. Coupled with Tokens response.

The officers DID go over the line, but a good ass-whipping goes a long way. Now, however, the good ass-whipping is for naught. This kid will be back stealing and running tomorrow.

We need public caning. Repeat offenders are few.

AWK · « **Reply #55 on:** February 09, 2011, 12:08:24 PM »

Quote from: Saniflush on February 09, 2011, 09:45:41 AM

See, I would believe you, if we weren't talking about Garman.

GarMan · « **Reply #56 on:** February 10, 2011, 03:33:31 AM »

Oh come on... This is freakin' ridiculous. The way some of you are reacting, you'd think I've insulted your mothers or attacked your wives. This is silly... But, let's try this one more time. You're welcome to take it any way you'd like.

I've never stated or argued that the police weren't wrong and shouldn't be punished. All of the ramblings related to that are pointless. I've only doubted the severity of this beatdown. It looks horrible, but I'm not going to jump in line and accept popular opinion. I'm no sheep, and I'm definitely not a lemming...

http://www.youtube.com/v/pK1jMHE1bkw?fs=1&hl=en_US

AWK · « **Reply #57 on:** February 11, 2011, 12:07:30 PM »

Quote from: GarMan on February 10, 2011, 03:33:31 AM

Oh come on... This is freakin' ridiculous. The way some of you are reacting, you'd think I've insulted your mothers or attacked your wives. This is silly... But, let's try this one more time. You're welcome to take it any way you'd like.

I've never stated or argued that the police weren't wrong and shouldn't be punished. All of the ramblings related to that are pointless. I've only doubted the severity of this beatdown. It looks horrible, but I'm not going to jump in line and accept popular opinion. I'm no sheep, and I'm definitely not a lemming...

http://www.youtube.com/v/pK1jMHE1bkw?fs=1&hl=en_US

Well, I guess that answers our questions...

RWS · « **Reply #58 on:** February 11, 2011, 06:38:51 PM »

Another example of a lawsuit that will more than likely be won by the plaintiff:

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/pensacola/beaten-inmate-plans-to-file-lawsuit

Notice there was no beatdown. There was no chase. But, that deputy will be fired, and the inmate will win that case.

CCTAU · « **Reply #59 on:** February 14, 2011, 12:04:54 PM »

Jail should be a miserable place that not one inmate ever wants to return to. No cameras. No niceties. No decent food. Sleep outside on cots. And don't even look at THE MAN.

The Sheriff got it right.