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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on February 19, 2010, 09:51:44 AM
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http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/cashing_in_auburn_football_coa.html (http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/cashing_in_auburn_football_coa.html)
Gene Chizik and Auburn football assistants get raises, with Gus Malzahn going to $500,000
By Charles Goldberg -- The Birmingham News
February 19, 2010, 6:01AM
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Gus Malzahn will make a cool half-million this season after making the calls for Auburn last year (Birmingham News / Hal Yeager)
This story appears in Friday's Birmingham News:
Auburn head coach Gene Chizik and his assistants have cashed in on a winning 2009 season and a Top 5 finish in recruiting with raises that will keep the staff among the highest paid in the Southeastern Conference.
Offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn is receiving the biggest percentage raise, a 43 percent hike that will bring his salary to $500,000 a year. All the other assistants are receiving 10 percent raises, The Birmingham News learned.
Chizik's compensation will increase from $1.9 million annually. The News was unable to confirm the amount of the raise for Chizik.
All the contracts were extended by a year. Chizik's contract will remain five years, Malzahn, dfensive coordinator Ted Roof and associate head coach Trooper Taylor's contracts were rolled over to three more years and the other assistants are again working with two-year contracts.
The raises, Chizik said, show Auburn's commitment to his staff, the only one in the SEC that has not had a coach leave since the end of the 2009 season.
Chizik's first season produced a 8-5 record last season, bettering the 5-7 record of 2008. Chizik then landed a Top 5 recruiting class earlier this month. Auburn's administration took note.
"It was really, really important for our football program to keep continuity in what we're trying to do," Chizik said. "It's a huge statement that shows we're going to do everything to keep things intact. That's very important, especially when you look around the league. There are a lot of changes on different coaching rosters. It's important for us to keep our guys here. We feel really good about the direction."
Auburn's coaching staff already earned more than Tommy Tuberville's last coaching staff. The gap widened Thursday when the final paperwork was approved.
Chizik said some of his assistants had "had potential opportunities to go other places -- some as assistants, some as potential head coaching opportunities."
But they all stayed.
"When you have a very talented staff with guys who are going to be sought after, you've got to do what we need to do to keep these guys, and to be proactive on the front end of that," Chizik said.
While Auburn's recruiting success has made headlines recently, Chizik said the raises "are based on everything."
"It's coaching, it's recruiting, it's continuity for the kids," he said. "The kids have been through a lot of changes the last three years at Auburn. Our goal was to come in and provide some stability."
Malzahn made $350,000 last season, trailing only Roof's $370,000. Roof's salary moves to $407,000.
Taylor, who is the receivers coach, will make $352,000, defensive line coach Tracy Rocker will make $330,000, offensive line coach Jeff Grimes will make $319,000, recruiting coordinator and running backs coach Curtis Luper will make $286,000, defensive backs coach Tommy Thigpen will make $275,000, defensive backs coach Phillip Lolley will make $231,000 and tight end and special teams coach Jay Boulware will make $231,000.
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Hesus Christos I went into the wrong line of work!
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Hesus Christos I went into the wrong line of work!
Yeah, I was thinking a 10% is nice, but no big deal....then I realized it meant $25k to $40k for these guys. Yeah, an extra $3,000 or so each month is nice.
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Hesus Christos I went into the wrong line of work!
Sucking dick at the rest stop not as lucrative as you were led to believe?
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Sucking dick at the rest stop not as lucrative as you were led to believe?
No but money isn't everything. It is still very rewarding.
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No but money isn't everything. It is still very rewarding.
You are preaching to the choir...
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No but money isn't everything. It is still very rewarding.
Hey, he'll take a shot in the mouth if it gets him a couple hundred miles down the road. He's not suburban.
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No but money isn't everything. It is still very rewarding.
Your Avatar is priceless.
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Your Avatar is priceless.
Thanks it took me a little time to do.
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Keeping in alignment with the thread, this is what it will take to keep this staff intact. I truly believe this will pay off in the near near future. Also, I should have been a coach.
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I don't like it.
We hired them at a specified salary to improve the team, and they have started a process to get the team back to competing for the SEC West. But they aren't finished yet. No need to reward a good start when the finish line is all we really care about.
Then again, yes, I do see how this is good for keeping the assistants happy for the long term.
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Premature.
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Premature.
Is anyone surprised?
You'd rather see them work for slave wages so they'll bolt from Auburn when a halfway decent opportunity comes along so you can bitch about how you told us they were no good all along.
I thought one of your 20,000 jobs that make you an authority on everything included a managment position. If so, you should know how yearly raises are imperative to personel retention. As long as your staff met their yearly goal, which after the abomination that was 08 was to have a winning season and regain competitveness with our in-state rival with recruiting. 8-5 and a consensus top 5 recruiting class later, I think the annual goal was met this year. And what does management do when their staff surpasses that year's goal? Use that, along with other factors to adjust the goal. Improve on 8-5 and maintain the recruiting power.
Bottom line is we need some consistancy in our program after all we've been through in recent years. It's a lot to ask these guys to stick around when they're getting more lucrative offers elsewhere because of how well they've done this year. I think the percentage adjustments of each individual coach are pretty fair based on what they've done since they've been hired, both on the field and in recruiting, as well as how much they're sought after by other programs.
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Is anyone surprised?
You'd rather see them work for slave wages so they'll bolt from Auburn when a halfway decent opportunity comes along so you can bitch about how you told us they were no good all along.
I thought one of your 20,000 jobs that make you an authority on everything included a managment position. If so, you should know how yearly raises are imperative to personel retention. As long as your staff met their yearly goal, which after the abomination that was 08 was to have a winning season and regain competitveness with our in-state rival with recruiting. 8-5 and a consensus top 5 recruiting class later, I think the annual goal was me this year. And what does management do when their staff surpasses that year's goal? Use that, along with other factors to adjust the goal. Improve on 8-5 and maintain the recruiting power.
Bottom line is we need some consistancy in our program after all we've been through in recent years. It's a lot to ask these guys to stick around when they're getting more lucrative offers elsewhere because of how well they've done this year. I think the percentage adjustments of each individual coach are pretty fair based on what they've done since they've been hired, both on the field and in recruiting, as well as how much they're sought after by other programs.
Blah, blah, blah. Chizad unleashes the rage. You never have and never will understand my motivations. You'd rather create arguments for me and battle against those windmills, Sancho.
Slave wages?
Already the highest paid group of assistants in the SEC prior.
Slave wages? Twice what he was making at ISU already.
I run two companies now. I pay employees well and raises are given on merit -- not just as an annual gift. If you want a raise, take on more responsibility, knock your job out of the park, be extraordinary. Meet expectations and you're just doing what you were already paid to do. Then maybe we can talk about a COLA, but nothing more.
Slave wages?
Chizad is a joke.
Raises and extensions are premature.
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Blah, blah, blah. Chizad unleashes the rage. You never have and never will understand my motivations. You'd rather create arguments for me and battle against those windmills, Sancho.
Slave wages?
Already the highest paid group of assistants in the SEC prior.
Slave wages? Twice what he was making at ISU already.
I run two companies now. I pay employees well and raises are given on merit -- not just as an annual gift. If you want a raise, take on more responsibility, knock your job out of the park, be extraordinary. Meet expectations and you're just doing what you were already paid to do. Then maybe we can talk about a COLA, but nothing more.
Slave wages?
Chizad is a joke.
Raises and extensions are premature.
I think this is pretty much what I said in my post. Why did no one attack me? :sneer:
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I think this is pretty much what I said in my post. Why did no one attack me? :sneer:
Sancho + Windmills = Imaginary arguments
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I don't think it's a big deal. Assistant salaries are going up all the time....Smart just got a truck load, Georgia upped some of theirs last year to keep them. Until Boy Wonder hit the road for the west coast, Tennessee's staff was paid a significant amount more than ours.
Malzahn was in position to take head coaching jobs, that move had to be made in my opinion. As for the rest of the staff, their salaries were not astronomical to begin with, so raising them 10% isn't "over paying" them, but keeping pace as much as anything, and keeping together a group that is now working on the 2011 recruiting class, to me, is of utmost importance.
If we're going to get something "rolling", we're going to have to try to hold on to as much of this staff as long as we can. We have to see improvements on the field and several solid recruiting classes to establish the "program" to the point at which it needs to be. Once the "program" is firmly established again, you can stand to lose an assistant here or there and keep things rolling. But first, we have to get it rolling. Keeping morale high and showing the staff what we feel their value is, is a great way to do that.
Consider this too....the budget may have allowed for more to begin with, but maybe we wanted to see how the staff gelled and how the first on-field season and first recruiting effort went before reaching deeper into the pockets and investing in them. Take Tennessee as the example, they did the opposite. They threw it all at that last staff right off the bat. They didn't hold back anything, which increases the "we got burned" feeling they have now.
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There you go again. Your typical formula for a flawed argument has worn thin.
Slave wages?
Already the highest paid group of assistants in the SEC prior.
Wrong. Falsehood.
From this past November:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/5829/usa-today-report-assistant-coaches-salaries (http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/5829/usa-today-report-assistant-coaches-salaries)
When Tennessee’s Lane Kiffin put together what he called his dream staff back in the offseason, it was pretty obvious then that the Vols’ nine assistants were going to make more than any other staff in the country.
The USA Today confirmed as much Tuesday in its report on coaching salaries. Tennessee’s nine assistants earn $3,325,000, which beats out second-place Texas nationally.
Keep in mind that this doesn’t include head coaching salaries. If you add the head coach into the equation (Lane Kiffin makes $2 million per year), that would place the Vols’ total at $5,325,000, which would rank them fourth in the SEC. Note: Chizik made even less, and still barely makes that now, so Auburn's staff would no doubt be much lower in even this list. But I'll get to Chizik's salary later...
Alabama ($6,602,551), LSU ($6,476,285) and Florida ($5,965,000) would all be higher when you add in the head coaching salary.
The Vols have the two highest paid assistants in the league in defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and recruiting coordinator/defensive line coach Ed Orgeron. Monte Kiffin earns $1.2 million plus a $300,000 bonus he will collect in December, while Orgeron earns $650,000.
Their combined salaries of $2,150,000 (counting Kiffin’s bonus) are more than the entire staff makes at Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Ole Miss and South Carolina.
Vanderbilt, being a private institution, did not release its coaching figures.
In addition to Monte Kiffin and Orgeron, the only other assistant in the league making more than $400,000 per year is LSU defensive coordinator John Chavis, who earns $469,917.
Alabama has four assistants making $300,000 or more and seven assistants making at least $250,000.
The lowest paid assistant in the league can be found at Ole Miss. Somebody on the Rebels’ staff is making $80,500.
Here are the numbers according to USA Today:
Tennessee: $3,325,000 (ranges from $110,000 to $1.2 million)
LSU: $2,725,285 (ranges from $155,000 to $469,917)
Alabama: $2,702,551 (ranges from $225,500 to $390,000)
Auburn: $2,560,000 (ranges from $210,000 to $370,000)
Arkansas: $2,034,888 (ranges from $148,000 to $378,238)
Georgia: $2,029,816 (ranges from $91,600 to $327,415)
Florida: $1,965,000 (ranges from $180,000 to $310,000)
Kentucky: $1,946,213 (ranges from $159,625 to $323,460)
South Carolina: $1,870,000 (ranges from $110,000 to $359,300)
Ole Miss: $1,843,608 (ranges from $80,500 to $365,500)
Mississippi State: $1,805,000 (ranges from $125,000 to $260,000)
Don't let facts stop you from pulling things out of your ass, though.
Slave wages?
Already the highest paid group of assistants in the SEC prior.
Slave wages? Twice what he was making at ISU already.
Now that the false premise is out of the way, you also use the ol' classic of holding a different standard to different parts of the argument.
The assistants are already the highest paid in the SEC? We've already established that you pulled that out of your ass. However, let's humor you. So you're insisting their wages be comparable to others in the SEC. But you want to compare Chizik's salary to that which he made at ISU?
How about comparing him to other coaches in the SEC?
1. Urban Meyer, Florida — $4,000,000
2. Nick Saban, Alabama — $3,900,000
3. Les Miles, LSU — $3,800,000
4t. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas — $2,900,000
4t. Mark Richt, Georgia — $2,900,000
6. Houston Nutt, Ole Miss — $2,500,000
7. Derek Dooley, Tennessee — $2,200,000
8. Gene Chizik, Auburn — $2,100,000 (after this week's raise)
9. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina — $1,800,000
10. Rich Brooks, Kentucky — $1,250,000
11. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State — $1,200,000
12. Bobby Johnson, Vanderbilt — Undisclosed (Private Institution)
So roughly half of what the big dogs, including our in-state rival, are making. Only ahead of South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and presumably Vanderbilt. That's fine if you want their kind of production on the field.
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I don't think it's a big deal. Assistant salaries are going up all the time....Smart just got a truck load, Georgia upped some of theirs last year to keep them. Until Boy Wonder hit the road for the west coast, Tennessee's staff was paid a significant amount more than ours.
Malzahn was in position to take head coaching jobs, that move had to be made in my opinion. As for the rest of the staff, their salaries were not astronomical to begin with, so raising them 10% isn't "over paying" them, but keeping pace as much as anything, and keeping together a group that is now working on the 2011 recruiting class, to me, is of utmost importance.
If we're going to get something "rolling", we're going to have to try to hold on to as much of this staff as long as we can. We have to see improvements on the field and several solid recruiting classes to establish the "program" to the point at which it needs to be. Once the "program" is firmly established again, you can stand to lose an assistant here or there and keep things rolling. But first, we have to get it rolling. Keeping morale high and showing the staff what we feel their value is, is a great way to do that.
Consider this too....the budget may have allowed for more to begin with, but maybe we wanted to see how the staff gelled and how the first on-field season and first recruiting effort went before reaching deeper into the pockets and investing in them. Take Tennessee as the example, they did the opposite. They threw it all at that last staff right off the bat. They didn't hold back anything, which increases the "we got burned" feeling they have now.
This.
Thank you.
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There you go again. Your typical formula for a flawed argument has worn thin.
Wrong. Falsehood.
From this past November:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/5829/usa-today-report-assistant-coaches-salaries (http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/5829/usa-today-report-assistant-coaches-salaries)
Don't let facts stop you from pulling things out of your ass, though.
Now that the false premise is out of the way, you also use the ol' classic of holding a different standard to different parts of the argument.
The assistants are already the highest paid in the SEC? We've already established that you pulled that out of your ass. However, let's humor you. So you're insisting their wages be comparable to others in the SEC. But you want to compare Chizik's salary to that which he made at ISU?
How comparing him to other coaches in the SEC?
1. Urban Meyer, Florida — $4,000,000
2. Nick Saban, Alabama — $3,900,000
3. Les Miles, LSU — $3,800,000
4t. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas — $2,900,000
4t. Mark Richt, Georgia — $2,900,000
6. Houston Nutt, Ole Miss — $2,500,000
7. Derek Dooley, Tennessee — $2,200,000
8. Gene Chizik, Auburn — $2,100,000 (after this week's raise)
9. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina — $1,800,000
10. Rich Brooks, Kentucky — $1,250,000
11. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State — $1,200,000
12. Bobby Johnson, Vanderbilt — Undisclosed (Private Institution)
So roughly half of what the big dogs, including our in-state rival, are making. Only ahead of South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and presumably Vanderbilt. That's fine if you want their kind of production on the field.
Babble, babble, babble.
Earn it. Then pay it.
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I think this is pretty much what I said in my post. Why did no one attack me? :sneer:
I was prepared to quote your post instead, until I saw Eeyore's typical unfounded negativity.
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There you go again. Your typical formula for a flawed argument has worn thin.
Wrong. Falsehood.
From this past November:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/5829/usa-today-report-assistant-coaches-salaries (http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/5829/usa-today-report-assistant-coaches-salaries)
Don't let facts stop you from pulling things out of your ass, though.
Now that the false premise is out of the way, you also use the ol' classic of holding a different standard to different parts of the argument.
The assistants are already the highest paid in the SEC? We've already established that you pulled that out of your ass. However, let's humor you. So you're insisting their wages be comparable to others in the SEC. But you want to compare Chizik's salary to that which he made at ISU?
How comparing him to other coaches in the SEC?
1. Urban Meyer, Florida — $4,000,000
2. Nick Saban, Alabama — $3,900,000
3. Les Miles, LSU — $3,800,000
4t. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas — $2,900,000
4t. Mark Richt, Georgia — $2,900,000
6. Houston Nutt, Ole Miss — $2,500,000
7. Derek Dooley, Tennessee — $2,200,000
8. Gene Chizik, Auburn — $2,100,000 (after this week's raise)
9. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina — $1,800,000
10. Rich Brooks, Kentucky — $1,250,000
11. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State — $1,200,000
12. Bobby Johnson, Vanderbilt — Undisclosed (Private Institution)
So roughly half of what the big dogs, including our in-state rival, are making. Only ahead of South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and presumably Vanderbilt. That's fine if you want their kind of production on the field.
Just to keep things in perspective, the top 3 coaches (or "big dogs") have won at least 1 NC in the past few years. The deal with Chizik is they hired him at a bargain price. He failed miserably at ISU, and AU wasn't all that sure what they were getting. Even if they had to can him after two years, AU could do it relatively cheap. Basically his raise is putting him at a hiring rate.
Really, Chizik didn't do much in '09. AU won one game (WVU) that they probably shouldn't have, and lost a few (UK, Arky?, UGA) that they shouldn't have, lost to LSU in an embarrasing fashion, and showed a valiant effort against Alabama. Then there was the near embarassment of losing to Northwestern in a bowl game.
Something that is interesting, though, is $500k for Malzahn. I mean....really?
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Just to keep things in perspective, the top 3 coaches (or "big dogs") have won at least 1 NC in the past few years. The deal with Chizik is they hired him at a bargain price. He failed miserably at ISU, and AU wasn't all that sure what they were getting. Even if they had to can him after two years, AU could do it relatively cheap. Basically his raise is putting him at a hiring rate.
I'm with you so far. This is what I was trying to say. Giving Chizik a $200,000 bump just puts him over the 2 mil mark, which is pretty much entry level for an SEC had coach. I'd be right there with THS & Kaos if we were bumping him in the 4 mil ballpark. But that's simply not the case. He's proven his weight at least as a not complete and utter fuck-up to all but the hard-headed few.
Really, Chizik didn't do much in '09. AU won one game (WVU) that they probably shouldn't have, and lost a few (UK, Arky?, UGA) that they shouldn't have, lost to LSU in an embarrasing fashion, and showed a valiant effort against Alabama. Then there was the near embarassment of losing to Northwestern in a bowl game.
I mean, this is the same dead horse that was beaten all season so there's not much reason to go too far into it, because I know the discussion will go nowhere. But I think the only truly embarassing loss there was UK, and maybe LSU just because it was so bad. Northwestern was not a joke no matter how bammers try to stretch that. Comparable at least to 08 Utah. At least we didn't actually lose to them. As bad as Kentucky was it was no LaMonroe.
Something that is interesting, though, is $500k for Malzahn. I mean....really?
It's upper echelon, no doubt, but not out of this world. Not Monte Kiffin's 1.2 mil last year. But he's certainly one of the most coveted OC in the conference, if not the most. It will take that kind of money to draw him away from the mil plus to be a HC somewhere.
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Something that is interesting, though, is $500k for Malzahn. I mean....really?
You think that's too much?
Chavis gets $700k at LSU.
Smart get $750k+ at Alabama.
Orgeron was getting $650k at Tennessee as the D-line coach.
Crowton at LSU makes $400k (and sucks)
Grantham at Georgia makes $750k
Joe Pendry made over $400k with bonuses ($390k salary) as the o-line coach.
Nick Holt at Washington gets $650k
Jimbo Fisher was getting $675k at FSU
Ellis Johnson at S. Carolina makes $700k
Considering his value to the program right now (on field and definitely his influence on recruiting), I think $500k is a bargain by today's standards.
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blah, blah, blah
Something that is interesting, though, is $500k for Malzahn. I mean....really?
Coach Malzahn did more in his first year, than just about any OC at Auburn has done. So, why not give him a big raise?
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Babble, babble, babble.
Earn it. Then pay it.
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4*
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:thumsup:
I laughed. Out loud. A lot.
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http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/gene_chiziks_pay_raise_from_au.html (http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/gene_chiziks_pay_raise_from_au.html)
Chizik and his nine assistant coaches are set to make $4,131,000 this year.
So once Saban gets his inevitable raise to surpass Meyer, his salary alone will likely be more than our ENTIRE STAFF INCLUDING HEAD COACH.
Chizik's contract says "salary increases and terms for the extension . . . will be determined at University's discretion . . .'' Former head coach Tommy Tuberville had specific $200,000-a-year pay increases written in his contract.
I think he earned his 2Gs this year more than Tuberville would have the year before.
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Considering his value to the program right now (on field and definitely his influence on recruiting), I think $500k is a bargain by today's standards.
This! I would have to say that 500k is well worth even only a years worth of Malzahn influence.
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Considering the state of the program post Tubs and the negative forecast surrounding Chiz, the results warrant attractive raises to keep the momentum in Auburn's favor. It was headed downhill fast. Those thoughts are now disappearing.
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Northwestern was not a joke no matter how bammers try to stretch that. Comparable at least to 08 Utah. At least we didn't actually lose to them. As bad as Kentucky was it was no LaMonroe.
Bull-fucking-shit, and you know it. Utah was undefeated, and they were in a BCS bowl. Should we have lost to them? No. But at least you can surmise they have to be halfway decent to be undefeated and in a BCS bowl. Did we not hear how Alabama was soooo lucky they weren't playing TCU for the NC? Utah and ULM me all you want. That NC takes away the sting. Do you think Chizik will have AU competing for a spot in the NC game this year? Winning it his 3rd year?
Northwestern is a directional school for fucks sake, and they were 8-4. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing exactly how they should be able to match AU to make that a fair fight, or how that can be compared to Utah.
It's upper echelon, no doubt, but not out of this world. Not Monte Kiffin's 1.2 mil last year. But he's certainly one of the most coveted OC in the conference, if not the most. It will take that kind of money to draw him away from the mil plus to be a HC somewhere.
Monte Kiffin was making $1.2 last year because, well, he basically was the HC. And where exactly do you get this "one of the most coveted OC in the conference, if not the most" notion from? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a totally useless OC at all. I'm simply wondering how, after a few of the showings this past season, he has vaulted to the top of the SEC.
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Better than amber lamps held aloft by corches giving the pickle surprise to Rick Astley.
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Bull-phuking-poop, and you know it. Utah was undefeated, and they were in a BCS bowl. Should we have lost to them? No. But at least you can surmise they have to be halfway decent to be undefeated and in a BCS bowl. Did we not hear how Alabama was soooo lucky they weren't playing TCU for the NC? Utah and ULM me all you want. That NC takes away the sting. Do you think Chizik will have AU competing for a spot in the NC game this year? Winning it his 3rd year?
Northwestern is a directional school for phuks sake, and they were 8-4. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing exactly how they should be able to match AU to make that a fair fight, or how that can be compared to Utah.
Monte Kiffin was making $1.2 last year because, well, he basically was the HC. And where exactly do you get this "one of the most coveted OC in the conference, if not the most" notion from? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a totally useless OC at all. I'm simply wondering how, after a few of the showings this past season, he has vaulted to the top of the SEC.
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It's upper echelon, no doubt, but not out of this world. Not Monte Kiffin's 1.2 mil last year. But he's certainly one of the most coveted OC in the conference, if not the most. It will take that kind of money to draw him away from the mil plus to be a HC somewhere.
This is where you lose me.
Other than Finebaum's attempt to derail recruiting by floating a Louisiana Tech rumor, what coveting is there?
It's my estimation -- and in talking to people in the business -- most of the SEC (as well as the other major conferences) are not nearly as sold on Malzahn as some of you are. There are still questions, there's still the often quoted "just a few years out of high school" line and there's still a sense that he's got a little charlatan in him -- that his "scheme" won't work here, there or anywhere in the long term. Is some (maybe a lot) of that misguided? Probably.
But to say "most coveted" is simply not true. Maybe to you but you dont' count.
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Such a fucking idiot.
There's nothing gloom or doom whatsoever about thinking that raises and extensions for a coaching staff might be premature.
Typical of Jacobs, however. Lebo will get a raise and extension tomorrow for beating Arkansas today.
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Better than amber lamps held aloft by corches giving the pickle surprise to Rick Astley.
I am a motherfucker.
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Northwestern is a directional school for fucks sake
:rolleyes:
You lost all credibility right there.
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:rolleyes:
You lost all credibility right there.
Redundant, I know, however the point still stands. They're not the worst school in the history of NCAA football or anything, but to try and pump them up such as some of you tried to pump up La Tech is bullshit.
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but to try and pump them up such as some of you tried to pump up La Tech is bullshit.
Big X > Sunbelt
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Bull-fucking-shit, and you know it. Utah was undefeated, and they were in a BCS bowl. Should we have lost to them? No. But at least you can surmise they have to be halfway decent to be undefeated and in a BCS bowl.
Halfway decent?
Sure.
But so is Northwestern.
The only ranked teams 08 Utah beat was #12 TCU & #14 Bringham Young.
The 09 Northwestern team beat #16 Wisconsin and #4 Iowa and lost to. One of their losses was to #12 Penn State.
They're comparable, in the very least, except, as Wes pointed, out they played in a real conference.
This is where you lose me.
Other than Finebaum's attempt to derail recruiting by floating a Louisiana Tech rumor, what coveting is there?
It's my estimation -- and in talking to people in the business -- most of the SEC (as well as the other major conferences) are not nearly as sold on Malzahn as some of you are. There are still questions, there's still the often quoted "just a few years out of high school" line and there's still a sense that he's got a little charlatan in him -- that his "scheme" won't work here, there or anywhere in the long term. Is some (maybe a lot) of that misguided? Probably.
But to say "most coveted" is simply not true. Maybe to you but you dont' count.
Talking to people in the business... :taunt: I forgot one of your 6,847 jobs that makes you an authority on everything was an SEC coach.
Only you and bammers try to spin the "just a few years out of high school" idiocy. Good company, Kaos. He has been a superstar OC long before stepping foot on the plains. He was Offensive Coordinator of the Year at Arkansas five years ago. Moved to Tulsa where he had the first and second ranked offenses in the nation back to back. Brought us from 110th to 16th (at one point #3) in one season, with essentially the same cast of characters. Yeah, he's unproven alright.
Ask the Arkies if they'd take him back.
I was simply stating that he is solidly in the upper echelon of OC's in the SEC.
Sports Illustrated thinks that's an understatement:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/10/01/malzahn/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/10/01/malzahn/index.html)
Indeed, in the four seasons since then-Arkansas coach Houston Nutt took the unusual step of plucking the coach of nearby Springdale High to run his SEC offense, the soft-spoken, bespectacled 43-year-old Malzahn has become one of the sport's most innovative offensive minds, not just in the college ranks, but in all of football.
To say he's not highly coveted is simply not true. Maybe to you but you don't count.
Such a fucking idiot.
There's nothing gloom or doom whatsoever about thinking that raises and extensions for a coaching staff might be premature.
Kaos tactic #3.
Call someone who burns you a "fucking idiot" in a sad attempt to discredit them.
Kaos tactic #5.
Restate your ridiculous position as if stating it last establishes it as fact.
Yes. In this particular situation, there is. To bitch about bringing a staff that performed as they did (on the field and more importantly with recruiting), at a time when consistency is imperative, to an average salary that is about on par with the rest of the SEC (Chizik still far below average), is doom and gloom. Trying to equate our premier offensive coordinator to chopped liver is doom & gloom. It's what we've come to expect from Eeyore Criss.
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HAHAHAHA.....kaos is Eeyore. See, kaos...I mean Eeyore, your fuckin' garbage posts are old. You simply don't know how or you simply will not form a NEW opinion on Auburn's coaching staff, because that would mean you'd have to eat a shit load of crow from a few people...me being one of them and I'd make you eat every bit of that crow, biatch. I'll say this again, Coach Malzahn did more in his first year, as the OC at Auburn, than just about every OC at Auburn.
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I was simply stating that he is solidly in the upper echelon of OC's in the SEC.
Jesus. Does 8-5 (and tied for the spot above Vandy in the SEC at 3-5) with epic fails against LSU, Arkansas, and losing against a team you haven't lost to in over 50 years (UK) really get you solidly in the upper echelon of OC's in the SEC? Major Applewhite led Alabama to a 7-6 record in 2007. Since that is only 1 win from 8-5, does that mean he was in the upper echelon of OCs in the SEC?
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Jesus. Does 8-5 (and tied for the spot above Vandy in the SEC at 3-5) with epic fails against LSU, Arkansas, and losing against a team you haven't lost to in over 50 years (UK) really get you solidly in the upper echelon of OC's in the SEC? Major Applewhite led Alabama to a 7-6 record in 2007. Since that is only 1 win from 8-5, does that mean he was in the upper echelon of OCs in the SEC?
So....Major Applewhite was the HC at SPuat when y'all went (7-6), but, little nicky took over in '08?
Another question, how many offensive team and individual records did Major Applewhite's offense (everyone knows it wasn't really his offense, but he had the OC title) break at SPuat?
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So....Major Applewhite was the HC at SPuat when y'all went (7-6), but, little nicky took over in '08?
Another question, how many offensive team and individual records did Major Applewhite's offense (everyone knows it wasn't really his offense, but he had the OC title) break at SPuat?
Its sad that this is the only thing you can think of. Its quite clear the context of the statement. Let me clear that up for you. He led our OFFENSE.
I don't care if Applewhite's offense broke every single offensive record at Alabama. Thats great if you classify doing more for AU than almost anybody else as breaking a bunch of individual and team records. Break all the records you want. But at the end of the season, when you are 8-5 and tied for the spot above Vandy in the SEC, what does that amount to? I mean, shit, Houston (Conference USA) has had the #1 and #2 total offense the past few years. Where exactly has that gotten them? Are you telling me you guys would be OK with being a bottom dweller in the SEC for the next few season as long as your statistics look good?
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Its sad that this is the only thing you can think of. Its quite clear the context of the statement. Let me clear that up for you. He led our OFFENSE.
I don't care if Applewhite's offense broke every single offensive record at Alabama. Thats great if you classify doing more for AU than almost anybody else as breaking a bunch of individual and team records. Break all the records you want. But at the end of the season, when you are 8-5 and tied for the spot above Vandy in the SEC, what does that amount to? I mean, shit, Houston (Conference USA) has had the #1 and #2 total offense the past few years. Where exactly has that gotten them? Are you telling me you guys would be OK with being a bottom dweller in the SEC for the next few season as long as your statistics look good?
What kind of retarded dumbass thinks that a team's win/loss record is soley dependent on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball? Let me clear it up for the slow people out there, BTW you can't spell retard without "rtr". Team's win/loss record depends on the team's Offense as well as the Defense....and it's Special Teams.
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What kind of retarded dumbass thinks that a team's win/loss record is soley dependent on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball? Let me clear it up for the slow people out there, BTW you can't spell retard without "rtr". Team's win/loss record depends on the team's Offense as well as the Defense....and it's Special Teams.
I'm not saying that at all. However, your offense is mostly responsible IMO. You have to score points to win. You have to be able to stop your opponent from scoring as well. Offensive fuckups bleed over to the defensive side of the ball. Turnovers, poor field position, consistant 3-and-outs, etc. I mean, if offense isn't such a big deal, why did AU get rid of Tony Franklin? Al Borges?
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What kind of retarded dumbass thinks that a team's win/loss record is soley dependent on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball? Let me clear it up for the slow people out there, BTW you can't spell retard without "rtr". Team's win/loss record depends on the team's Offense as well as the Defense....and it's Special Teams.
:pwnd:
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I'm not saying that at all. However, your offense is mostly responsible IMO. You have to score points to win. You have to be able to stop your opponent from scoring as well. Offensive fuckups bleed over to the defensive side of the ball. Turnovers, poor field position, consistant 3-and-outs, etc. I mean, if offense isn't such a big deal, why did AU get rid of Tony Franklin? Al Borges?
No one is saying that the Offense isn't a vital part of the team's success....hence "team's win/loss record depends on the team's Offense as well as the Defense....and it's Special Teams." It's a three-headed monster...if the Offense is firing on all cylinders, but the Defense and the Special Teams aren't, then there's a really good possibility that you'll lose the game.
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RWS apparently believes the following:
1. The overall worth of an offensive coordinator can be measured exclusively in the entire team's W/L record.
Total offense, rushing yards, passing yards, or any other statistical category that actually pertains specifically to the offense (of which Malzahn has broken a record for breaking records) can be thrown out.
2. Alabama's W/L record in 2007 was 100% Major Applewhite's fault. The head coach has no responsibility for overall team performance. Only the offensive coordinator does. Saban is still God. Was still "upper echelon" in 2007.
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Halfway decent?
Sure.
But so is Northwestern.
The only ranked teams 08 Utah beat was #12 TCU & #14 Bringham Young.
The 09 Northwestern team beat #16 Wisconsin and #4 Iowa and lost to. One of their losses was to #12 Penn State.
They're comparable, in the very least, except, as Wes pointed, out they played in a real conference.
Talking to people in the business... :taunt: I forgot one of your 6,847 jobs that makes you an authority on everything was an SEC coach.
Only you and bammers try to spin the "just a few years out of high school" idiocy. Good company, Kaos. He has been a superstar OC long before stepping foot on the plains. He was Offensive Coordinator of the Year at Arkansas five years ago. Moved to Tulsa where he had the first and second ranked offenses in the nation back to back. Brought us from 110th to 16th (at one point #3) in one season, with essentially the same cast of characters. Yeah, he's unproven alright.
Ask the Arkies if they'd take him back.
I was simply stating that he is solidly in the upper echelon of OC's in the SEC.
Sports Illustrated thinks that's an understatement:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/10/01/malzahn/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/10/01/malzahn/index.html)
To say he's not highly coveted is simply not true. Maybe to you but you don't count.
Kaos tactic #3.
Call someone who burns you a "fucking idiot" in a sad attempt to discredit them.
Kaos tactic #5.
Restate your ridiculous position as if stating it last establishes it as fact.
Yes. In this particular situation, there is. To bitch about bringing a staff that performed as they did (on the field and more importantly with recruiting), at a time when consistency is imperative, to an average salary that is about on par with the rest of the SEC (Chizik still far below average), is doom and gloom. Trying to equate our premier offensive coordinator to chopped liver is doom & gloom. It's what we've come to expect from Eeyore Criss.
You're a complete dumbass on this. Attempting to score points by creating arguments that don't exist.
Didn't say any of the things you claim I did. My contribution before you started your patented pants crapping was one simple word. Premature. Raises and extensions are, in my opinion, premature.
The fact that I know people who work with other SEC programs has nothing to do with the jobs I've had or haven't had. I know you like to bash on that, but from where I stand, having a lot of varied experiences gives me a little better perspective sometimes than people who've either never been there or who followed a single myopic track.
I'm not trying to spin the "few years out of high school" at all. I even said it probably didn't have a whole lot of merit, but the perception is out there -- and it's not coming from bama fans. Do you think it escaped anybody's attention that the offense hibernated against LSU, was a wet firecracker against Kentucky, disappeared for long stretches against Alabama, folded at Arkansas or vapor locked against Georgia? Do you think other SEC teams don't note that the big numbers were racked against lesser teams? It's not bama fans who are saying this. People at other SEC programs, people attached to the coaching staffs at other SEC programs, people in the coaching business are saying this. Maybe they're just justifying things to themselves or sticking their heads in the sand, but it is being said, it is being thought.
Proven? No. Highly coveted? Maybe in a year or two, but not right now. Just because you think something and refuse to see any side but the one you fabricate in your head just doesn't make it true at all.
You can have a raging hard on for Malzahn or Chizik if you want, but when you're the fifth-place team in a six-team division, there are no rock stars.
You and Prowler are simpatico. You make a good tandem. Dumber and even dumber.
You're so intent on argument, so determined to try to score some points that all you do these days is create positions that don't exist anywhere except in your head. And then you argue poorly against them.
So go ahead and make up whatever it is you think I've said. Build an entire sand castle of views that I never offered and don't hold.
All that matters is that in my opinion, raises and extensions are at this point in the game premature. Earn it before it's paid. And they're not there yet.
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You're a complete dumbass on this. Attempting to score points by creating arguments that don't exist.
Didn't say any of the things you claim I did. My contribution before you started your patented pants crapping was one simple word. Premature. Raises and extensions are, in my opinion, premature.
The fact that I know people who work with other SEC programs has nothing to do with the jobs I've had or haven't had. I know you like to bash on that, but from where I stand, having a lot of varied experiences gives me a little better perspective sometimes than people who've either never been there or who followed a single myopic track.
I'm not trying to spin the "few years out of high school" at all. I even said it probably didn't have a whole lot of merit, but the perception is out there -- and it's not coming from bama fans. Do you think it escaped anybody's attention that the offense hibernated against LSU, was a wet firecracker against Kentucky, disappeared for long stretches against Alabama, folded at Arkansas or vapor locked against Georgia? Do you think other SEC teams don't note that the big numbers were racked against lesser teams? It's not bama fans who are saying this. People at other SEC programs, people attached to the coaching staffs at other SEC programs, people in the coaching business are saying this. Maybe they're just justifying things to themselves or sticking their heads in the sand, but it is being said, it is being thought.
Proven? No. Highly coveted? Maybe in a year or two, but not right now. Just because you think something and refuse to see any side but the one you fabricate in your head just doesn't make it true at all.
You can have a raging hard on for Malzahn or Chizik if you want, but when you're the fifth-place team in a six-team division, there are no rock stars.
You and Prowler are simpatico. You make a good tandem. Dumber and even dumber.
You're so intent on argument, so determined to try to score some points that all you do these days is create positions that don't exist anywhere except in your head. And then you argue poorly against them.
So go ahead and make up whatever it is you think I've said. Build an entire sand castle of views that I never offered and don't hold.
All that matters is that in my opinion, raises and extensions are at this point in the game premature. Earn it before it's paid. And they're not there yet.
Did someone say Chocolate???
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/theprowler64/Kaos-1.jpg?t=1266812427)
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I'm not saying that at all. However, your offense is mostly responsible IMO. You have to score points to win. You have to be able to stop your opponent from scoring as well. Offensive fuckups bleed over to the defensive side of the ball. Turnovers, poor field position, consistant 3-and-outs, etc. I mean, if offense isn't such a big deal, why did AU get rid of Tony Franklin? Al Borges?
This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen you post. I'm hoping this is just nothing more than you arguing to argue with Prowler, or something. Right?
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You're a complete dumbass on this. Attempting to score points by creating arguments that don't exist.
You and Prowler are simpatico. You make a good tandem. Dumber and even dumber.
#3.
Didn't say any of the things you claim I did. My contribution before you started your patented pants crapping was one simple word. Premature. Raises and extensions are, in my opinion, premature.
Show me. Where did I mischaracterize your argument? If I did, I apologize, but I don't see it. I had fun with RWS's position on why Malzahn is exclusively to blame for 08, but I don't see where I did anything like that to you.
All I did was tell you WHY under these specific circumstances, the raises that were instituted were completely fair and not worth raising a stink over. If Malzahn's salary was in the millions, and Chizik's was over 4, then I'd be just as pissed as you are. It's another case of your brain missing the part of it that's supposed to recognize that middle ground.
You're so intent on argument, so determined to try to score some points that all you do these days is create positions that don't exist anywhere except in your head. And then you argue poorly against them.
So go ahead and make up whatever it is you think I've said. Build an entire sand castle of views that I never offered and don't hold.
All of this without even a hint of irony. Everything you just described is your modus operandi. Your creed. It is demonstrated in about 99% of your 7100+ posts on this board, this post being no exception. You're mischaracterizing my argument by stating that I'm mischaracterizing yours. This is also another example of how you try to confuse the issue. An attempt to take the argument somewhere else.
All that matters is that in my opinion, raises and extensions are at this point in the game premature. Earn it before it's paid. And they're not there yet.
Good, now that we're back on target. I disagree with you. See my last post where I stayed on topic completely and addressed everything you just reiterated, and those points only.
The true tragedy here is that meanwhile you have bammers making colossally idiotic statements such as:
I'm not saying that at all. However, your offense is mostly responsible IMO. You have to score points to win. You have to be able to stop your opponent from scoring as well. Offensive fuckups bleed over to the defensive side of the ball. Turnovers, poor field position, consistant 3-and-outs, etc. I mean, if offense isn't such a big deal, why did AU get rid of Tony Franklin? Al Borges?
and you pay it no mind, because you'd rather argue with fellow Auburn fans. Let that sink in.
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BTW you can't spell retard without "rtr".
True Story -
Guy I knew in Montgomery at my old job got a bama license plate that said: RTRD
He said that it meant "roll tide rolled" (whatever the fuck that means).
He was proud until I pointed out that in fact it translated to "retard" much quicker than his intended idea.
He went a year before changing it. :doh:
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True Story -
Guy I knew in Montgomery at my old job got a bama license plate that said: RTRD
He said that it meant "roll tide rolled" (whatever the phuk that means).
He was proud until I pointed out that in fact it translated to "retard" much quicker than his intended idea.
He went a year before changing it. :doh:
A perfect example of how bammers don't plan things out too well.
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#3.
Show me. Where did I mischaracterize your argument? If I did, I apologize, but I don't see it. I had fun with RWS's position on why Malzahn is exclusively to blame for 08, but I don't see where I did anything like that to you.
All I did was tell you WHY under these specific circumstances, the raises that were instituted were completely fair and not worth raising a stink over. If Malzahn's salary was in the millions, and Chizik's was over 4, then I'd be just as pissed as you are. It's another case of your brain missing the part of it that's supposed to recognize that middle ground.
All of this without even a hint of irony. Everything you just described is your modus operandi. Your creed. It is demonstrated in about 99% of your 7100+ posts on this board, this post being no exception. You're mischaracterizing my argument by stating that I'm mischaracterizing yours. This is also another example of how you try to confuse the issue. An attempt to take the argument somewhere else.
Good, now that we're back on target. I disagree with you. See my last post where I stayed on topic completely and addressed everything you just reiterated, and those points only.
The true tragedy here is that meanwhile you have bammers making colossally idiotic statements such as:and you pay it no mind, because you'd rather argue with fellow Auburn fans. Let that sink in.
Saying "premature" is "raising a stink"? You somehow inferred that I was "pissed" in some way? Hardly the case at all. I didn't even say it was a bad thing, just that it was premature. Don't think they earned a major bump yet. And when you're talking about raising a guy's salary more than most people make in a year then yeah, that's a significant bump.
From that one single word, you defecated your drawers, took shots at my background because I've had a few more jobs than you, made the snarky "authority on everything" jibe, characterize $500K a year as "slave wages" and then create an entire argument -- "so you can bitch about how you told us they were no good all along" -- that has never been mine.
All I've EVER said about the staff is that the coronation of how awesome they are (which began on the day they were hired) should be given some restraint as they'd never worked together and none came from championship caliber, upper echelon teams. Prowler was right in that their true value appears to be measured in their ability to recruit (and even that's not cemented yet).
I remembered Chizik getting his salary doubled. I thought I read at the same time that his staff budget was the highest in the SEC. I'm almost positive I read that. I think what you did was twist that around by adding the head coaching salary in (not the point) and then go off on another rant using skewed information. If Auburn's assistant's combined salary isn't the highest, then I was wrong. But even before the raises wasn't it top two or three (combined assistant's salaries, not head coaches, not individual coaches)? That's what I remembered reading and what I was going by. Hardly slave wages by any estimation. How is that (your words) "unfounded negativity?" How is that negative at all?
You responded somewhere that Malzahn is the "most coveted OC" or somesuch. Whether you like it or not, I do know people who work with other SEC programs. I like to know what they think. General consensus is that the jury is still out. Some like him. Some don't. Because a handful of Arkansas fans on a message board think he's great, you extrapolated that into an entire "ask Arkansas if they'd take him back" argument. Maybe they would. I know some people -- people who've got more money and influence than your or I will ever have in Arkansas -- who wouldn't. Doesn't mean they're right or wrong.
But you can't address that. You have to dip into Prowler territory and pull out the "authority on everything because you had so many jobs" line again.
So from your response here, I guess I'm supposed to read that drivel, think to myself "damn, Chizad is right" and not respond to it? So tell me again, who chose the argument: My one word or your amber lamps responses?
I don't even really read RWS stuff. When you and him or you and Prowler start up I just skip it all.
Just FYI? When Prowler jumps to your defense? You've already lost. That happens a lot with you Sancho.
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This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen you post. I'm hoping this is just nothing more than you arguing to argue with Prowler, or something. Right?
How silly of me. Offense is exactly 33.33333333% responsible. It in no way, shape, or form affects field position that the defense must defend. It in no way affects how often a defense has to take the field. It in no way affects how much of a breather a defense gets between series.
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How silly of me. Offense is exactly 33.33333333% responsible. It in no way, shape, or form affects field position that the defense must defend. It in no way affects how often a defense has to take the field. It in no way affects how much of a breather a defense gets between series.
The 1992 Alabama National Champions laugh at your silly argument...
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How silly of me. Offense is exactly 33.33333333% responsible. It in no way, shape, or form affects field position that the defense must defend. It in no way affects how often a defense has to take the field. It in no way affects how much of a breather a defense gets between series.
I think your argument took a big hit in credibility when you reached and brought 7-6 Alabama and Major Applewhite into it. I see what you were getting at, but it just wasn't a good example or comparison.
In 2007, Alabama finished 27th in scoring defense. Auburn finished 79th last year. In 2006, the year before Applewhite got there, Alabama averaged 25 points per game. Under him, they averaged 27. In 2008 Auburn averaged 17 points per game (111th) , under Malzahn, it went up to over 33 points per game (17th).
There really just isn't anything comparable about Applewhite's job as OC for 7-6 Alabama and Malzahn's job as OC for 8-5 Auburn.
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Damn kaos, whenever you're getting the shit beat outta you, you just resort to completely making shit up or taking posts to their extreme. Very Woman like, I might add. No where did I state that the raises were handed out only because of the staff's recruiting abilities. On that thought, for a second, you still have doubts about this staff's recruiting abilities, LMAO!!!! When Auburn lands another Top 5 or Top 10 Signing Class in '11....Will you eat that huge plate of crow I have made up for ya?
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I remembered Chizik getting his salary doubled. I thought I read at the same time that his staff budget was the highest in the SEC. I'm almost positive I read that. I think what you did was twist that around by adding the head coaching salary in (not the point) and then go off on another rant using skewed information. If Auburn's assistant's combined salary isn't the highest, then I was wrong. But even before the raises wasn't it top two or three (combined assistant's salaries, not head coaches, not individual coaches)? That's what I remembered reading and what I was going by. Hardly slave wages by any estimation. How is that (your words) "unfounded negativity?" How is that negative at all?
This appears to be the problem. Instead of actually reading my argument that is presented to you, you see red and ignore it entirely, or see it how you want to see it.
The source that I sited explicitly says that head coaching salaries are not factored in. And we were fourth on that list. Combined assistant's salaries, not head coaches, not individual coaches.
I said that if you did factor in head coaching salaries, we'd be significantly lower. Florida, for example, is seventh on the list, but would be a close second to Alabama when you factor in Urban's salary. We're not a one man show at Auburn, and that's fine with me. We're still spending less than over half of the SEC are on our coaching staff. Our ENTIRE STAFF, HEAD COACH INCLUDED makes less than Nick Saban by himself. That is substantially worth noting.
You brought up Chizik's salary. As you conveniently ignored, he's only ahead of SC, UK, and Mississippi State (and presumably Vanderbilt) in head coaching salaries. Houston Nutt at Ole Miss sure does think we spoil him.
For more insight on how our coaching staff is far from overpaid, I suggest reading my posts in this thread again (for the first time), without the rage storm blocking your view.
You responded somewhere that Malzahn is the "most coveted OC" or somesuch. Whether you like it or not, I do know people who work with other SEC programs. I like to know what they think. General consensus is that the jury is still out. Some like him. Some don't. Because a handful of Arkansas fans on a message board think he's great, you extrapolated that into an entire "ask Arkansas if they'd take him back" argument. Maybe they would. I know some people -- people who've got more money and influence than your or I will ever have in Arkansas -- who wouldn't. Doesn't mean they're right or wrong.
But you can't address that. You have to dip into Prowler territory and pull out the "authority on everything because you had so many jobs" line again.
First of all, actually read my posts before you go off about what I did and did not address.
Secondly, burden of proof and such. I can, and have, supplied indisputable justification for my position. You claim to have BBQ with "people who work with other SEC programs". Just like you claim to have an inside track on everything that is ever discussed on this board. You were previously a writer, football coach, basketball coach, baseball coach, curling coach, teacher, computer programmer, politician, auto mechanic, Hollywood director, insurance adjuster, dentist, stapler manufacturer....the list grows with every new topic in which you claim you know what you're talking about and no one else does.
I don't even really read RWS stuff. When you and him or you and Prowler start up I just skip it all.
So which is it? You ignore us, or you angrily pound out ten paragraph diatribes? Of course, you claim to ignore us when even you, as creative and argumentative as you are, can't possibly dispute the facts you're presented (see your misinterpretation of the list of coach's salaries).
Just FYI? When Prowler jumps to your defense? You've already lost. That happens a lot with you Sancho.
The only people to ever come to your defense are GreaseyWeasel and RWS.
Case closed.
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I think your argument took a big hit in credibility when you reached and brought 7-6 Alabama and Major Applewhite into it. I see what you were getting at, but it just wasn't a good example or comparison.
In 2007, Alabama finished 27th in scoring defense. Auburn finished 79th last year. In 2006, the year before Applewhite got there, Alabama averaged 25 points per game. Under him, they averaged 27. In 2008 Auburn averaged 17 points per game (111th) , under Malzahn, it went up to over 33 points per game (17th).
There really just isn't anything comparable about Applewhite's job as OC for 7-6 Alabama and Malzahn's job as OC for 8-5 Auburn.
My point is simple. Thats fine that he brought PPG up 100 spots. AU played half of 2008 without an OC. It would be tragic if Malzahn COULDN'T improve on that. Great that some team and individual records were broken. The big question: does any of it matter when you are battling for the spot above Vanderbilt in the SEC overall, and next to last in the West? Are you gonna be fine with breaking all of these records, and an offense that is 17th in PPG if you went 8-5 every year? I'm just not seeing how Malzahn is possibly the most coveted OC in the SEC when his offense fell flat on its face in a few games last season.
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This appears to be the problem. Instead of actually reading my argument that is presented to you, you see red and ignore it entirely, or see it how you want to see it.
The source that I sited explicitly says that head coaching salaries are not factored in. And we were fourth on that list. Combined assistant's salaries, not head coaches, not individual coaches.
I said that if you did factor in head coaching salaries, we'd be significantly lower. Florida, for example, is seventh on the list, but would be a close second to Alabama when you factor in Urban's salary. We're not a one man show at Auburn, and that's fine with me. We're still spending less than over half of the SEC are on our coaching staff. Our ENTIRE STAFF, HEAD COACH INCLUDED makes less than Nick Saban by himself. That is substantially worth noting.
You brought up Chizik's salary. As you conveniently ignored, he's only ahead of SC, UK, and Mississippi State (and presumably Vanderbilt) in head coaching salaries. Houston Nutt at Ole Miss sure does think we spoil him.
For more insight on how our coaching staff is far from overpaid, I suggest reading my posts in this thread again (for the first time), without the rage storm blocking your view.
First of all, actually read my posts before you go off about what I did and did not address.
Secondly, burden of proof and such. I can, and have, supplied indisputable justification for my position. You claim to have BBQ with "people who work with other SEC programs". Just like you claim to have an inside track on everything that is ever discussed on this board. You were previously a writer, football coach, basketball coach, baseball coach, curling coach, teacher, computer programmer, politician, auto mechanic, Hollywood director, insurance adjuster, dentist, stapler manufacturer....the list grows with every new topic in which you claim you know what you're talking about and no one else does.
So which is it? You ignore us, or you angrily pound out ten paragraph diatribes? Of course, you claim to ignore us when even you, as creative and argumentative as you are, can't possibly dispute the facts you're presented (see your misinterpretation of the list of coach's salaries).
The only people to ever come to your defense are GreaseyWeasel and RWS.
Case closed.
Wrong. I never see that color.
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Wrong. I never see that color.
Mod Request:
Can we please change everything that Chopper, Chizad and Prowler write to look like this so no one has to read these stupid ass threads.
Thanks!
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Mod Request:
Can we please change everything that Chopper, Chizad and Prowler write to look like this so no one has to read these stupid ass threads.
Thanks!
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Mod Request:
Can we please change everything that Chopper, Chizad and Prowler write to look like this so no one has to read these stupid ass threads.
Thanks!
I so heart you... :)
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My point is simple. Thats fine that he brought PPG up 100 spots. AU played half of 2008 without an OC. It would be tragic if Malzahn COULDN'T improve on that. Great that some team and individual records were broken. The big question: does any of it matter when you are battling for the spot above Vanderbilt in the SEC overall, and next to last in the West? Are you gonna be fine with breaking all of these records, and an offense that is 17th in PPG if you went 8-5 every year? I'm just not seeing how Malzahn is possibly the most coveted OC in the SEC when his offense fell flat on its face in a few games last season.
I get all that, it just isn't a good argument (in my opinion, I guess I should add).
If we're 17th in ppg every year, and the rest of the team improves significantly from where they were last year (the defense and the special teams), then we won't be 8-5 every year. I think that's the point. No one is sitting around thinking, "if we could only score some points then maybe we could win 10 games this year". The focus is on the defense and the special teams.
While the offense wasn't flawless, by any stretch, and occassionally had problems with consistency (led by Todd's inconsistency) and in short yardage situations, the point is, it was by far the best unit Auburn put on the field for 2009. If it improves even slightly from last year, Auburn will be a decent defense and consistent special teams play away from being in the hunt for the SEC West.
I can't speak for how much coveting goes on from other programs. But I can say that 4 years at the division 1 level, he's made a huge impact everywhere he's been. That much is for certain, no question. I also think anyone who followed the "skreets" of recruiting can acknowledge he was a major part for the offensive recruits we were able to land this year. Even if he didn't personally recruit them week to week, it was the excitement of playing in his offense that was echoed by nearly every offensive recruit we signed.
So, add all that up (best unit Auburn put on the field, one of the top producing offenses in the league, and a huge talent magnet because of his offense) and I can't see how you have such huge reservations about his pay raise.
Again, look at this list below...
Chavis gets $700k at LSU.
Smart get $750k+ at Alabama.
Orgeron was getting $650k at Tennessee as the D-line coach.
Crowton at LSU makes $400k (and sucks)
Grantham at Georgia makes $750k
Joe Pendry made over $400k with bonuses ($390k salary) as the o-line coach.
Nick Holt at Washington gets $650k
Jimbo Fisher was getting $675k at FSU
Ellis Johnson at S. Carolina makes $700k
I can't see how you think any of those guys are so much more important to their program than Malzahn is to the Auburn program right now. And those salaries (the market) are what determines if he's "over paid" or appropriately paid. Looking at Crowton's $400k and Pendry's $390k, I would say $500k for Malzahn is about right....maybe even a tad low if you take recruiting attraction into it.
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I get all that, it just isn't a good argument (in my opinion, I guess I should add).
If we're 17th in ppg every year, and the rest of the team improves significantly from where they were last year (the defense and the special teams), then we won't be 8-5 every year. I think that's the point. No one is sitting around thinking, "if we could only score some points then maybe we could win 10 games this year". The focus is on the defense and the special teams.
IF. IF. IF. Why can't every team in the SEC say that? If South Carolina's offense could improve just a little, they won't be 7-6 every year. If UT could get just a little better QB they won't be 7-6 every year. They could be in the hunt for the SECC.
While the offense wasn't flawless, by any stretch, and occassionally had problems with consistency (led by Todd's inconsistency) and in short yardage situations, the point is, it was by far the best unit Auburn put on the field for 2009. If it improves even slightly from last year, Auburn will be a decent defense and consistent special teams play away from being in the hunt for the SEC West.
Wait. What did you say towards the end of the previous paragraph? Same concept, only you're replacing "offense" with "defense and special teams". Did we not hear the same thing in 2007? 2008? And now 2009? "Man, only IF we could _____________, we would be in the hunt for the west."
I can't speak for how much coveting goes on from other programs. But I can say that 4 years at the division 1 level, he's made a huge impact everywhere he's been. That much is for certain, no question. I also think anyone who followed the "skreets" of recruiting can acknowledge he was a major part for the offensive recruits we were able to land this year. Even if he didn't personally recruit them week to week, it was the excitement of playing in his offense that was echoed by nearly every offensive recruit we signed.
So now we're basing it on some kids straight out of high school that aren't even on campus yet. Gotcha. Nearly your entire argument is based on things that haven't even happened yet, or things that might potentially happen. It is also based on nothing changing. Under your scenarios, you consider no improvement by an opposing team either. You simply look at it in black and white. Its not as simple as plugging in assumed improvement and backdating that to the 2009 season, and voila, AU wins the west. Thats a sad mistake made by our fanbase when Shula was the coach. Some of our fans always thought we were on the cusp of greatness because we were only losing games by a TD or less. All we needed was that little something extra to make us great. All kinds of bullshit.
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FUCK ME...
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RWS, Which color do you not see?
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FUCK ME...
:suicide:
RWS, Which color do you not see?
Me love you long time.
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IF. IF. IF. Why can't every team in the SEC say that? If South Carolina's offense could improve just a little, they won't be 7-6 every year. If UT could get just a little better QB they won't be 7-6 every year. They could be in the hunt for the SECC.
Wait. What did you say towards the end of the previous paragraph? Same concept, only you're replacing "offense" with "defense and special teams". Did we not hear the same thing in 2007? 2008? And now 2009? "Man, only IF we could _____________, we would be in the hunt for the west."
So now we're basing it on some kids straight out of high school that aren't even on campus yet. Gotcha. Nearly your entire argument is based on things that haven't even happened yet, or things that might potentially happen. It is also based on nothing changing. Under your scenarios, you consider no improvement by an opposing team either. You simply look at it in black and white. Its not as simple as plugging in assumed improvement and backdating that to the 2009 season, and voila, AU wins the west. Thats a sad mistake made by our fanbase when Shula was the coach. Some of our fans always thought we were on the cusp of greatness because we were only losing games by a TD or less. All we needed was that little something extra to make us great. All kinds of bullpoop.
RWS, I'm not sure why, but you are unusually missing the entire point here. You do know that we are discussing Malzahn and Auburn's offense right? How are you missing this? I'm addressing the question you asked about if we would be happy to be 17th in scoring, but going 8-5.
This started based on the raise given to Malzahn and if it was warranted. You keep referencing 8-5 and asking if we'd be happy being 17th in points per game and also being 8-5 on the year. My point was that we would NOT be 8-5 if we had a good defense and special teams. That "IF, IF, IF" had nothing to do with Malzahn and the offense....which, again, is my entire point. The "ifs" were connected to the defense and the special teams.
NO, we would not be happy being 17th in points per game AND going 8-5....but again, the point was that if we had a good defense and decent special teams (notice I didn't mention an "if" in conjunction with the offense)....thanks to being 17th in points per game, we would NOT BE 8-5.
How are you not comprehending this? I'm trying not to say condescending things, because I know you're not an idiot. But this seems so simple to follow. Your last post was so disjointed from what we were even talking about. Do you not see that if Auburn continues to be one of the top offenses in the country (as they were in 2009) AND improves the other parts of the team, we will not continue to be 8-5? Do you notice that the point to saying that is to point out that the OFFENSE is not one of the three phases of the game that needs vast improvement to improve on the 8-5 record? Do you know that Malzahn runs that offense, the one that, if it continues with the same production, is among the most productive in the country?
Again, the answer is NO, we do not wish to continue going 8-5. Do you understand that in order to improve on that 8-5 record, the DEFENSE and the SPECIAL TEAMS are what need improvement....NOT so much the offense?
We went 8-5 IN SPITE of the defense and the special teams. The offense was the only thing noteworthy in 2009.
And what am I tying to kids out of high school? Recruiting? Yeah, I'm tying our recruiting class ranking to the kids we just signed out of high school? Is that not a normal thing to do? What kids do you base your recruiting success (on signing day) on? Transfers? JUCO kids? I'm not sure I follow. Malzahn's offense was very much responsible for us attracting a lot of the offensive recruits that we did. What is it you find confusing about this statement? I'm tying some of his value to the program is in recruiting, if that's what you're confused about. But isn't that a big part of a lot of coaches value? The ability to recruit well?
Anyway, I'm a little confused about what you're missing here or what it is you think my point is. You somehow wandered off the Malzahn part of the discussion and context and started making "ifs" about being better than 8-5 the main point of the discussion.
Again, if Malzahn and his offense were coupled with a top 25 defense and competent special teams...based on what we've seen, a team like that would not be 8-5.
Maybe look at it like an equation..if that helps you.
A- (offense) + D+ (defense) + C- (special teams) = 8-5 season
So we can project...
A- (offense) + B (defense) + B+ (special teams) = > 8-5 season
This equation exists because you asked the question about being an A- offense that goes 8-5 every year...as if our offense is what equals the 8-5 record. Hopefully the visual aid above makes some sense.
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RWS, I'm not sure why, but you are unusually missing the entire point here. You do know that we are discussing Malzahn and Auburn's offense right? How are you missing this? I'm addressing the question you asked about if we would be happy to be 17th in scoring, but going 8-5.
This started based on the raise given to Malzahn and if it was warranted. You keep referencing 8-5 and asking if we'd be happy being 17th in points per game and also being 8-5 on the year. My point was that we would NOT be 8-5 if we had a good defense and special teams. That "IF, IF, IF" had nothing to do with Malzahn and the offense....which, again, is my entire point. The "ifs" were connected to the defense and the special teams.
NO, we would not be happy being 17th in points per game AND going 8-5....but again, the point was that if we had a good defense and decent special teams (notice I didn't mention an "if" in conjunction with the offense)....thanks to being 17th in points per game, we would NOT BE 8-5.
How are you not comprehending this? I'm trying not to say condescending things, because I know you're not an idiot. But this seems so simple to follow. Your last post was so disjointed from what we were even talking about. Do you not see that if Auburn continues to be one of the top offenses in the country (as they were in 2009) AND improves the other parts of the team, we will not continue to be 8-5? Do you notice that the point to saying that is to point out that the OFFENSE is not one of the three phases of the game that needs vast improvement to improve on the 8-5 record? Do you know that Malzahn runs that offense, the one that, if it continues with the same production, is among the most productive in the country?
Again, the answer is NO, we do not wish to continue going 8-5. Do you understand that in order to improve on that 8-5 record, the DEFENSE and the SPECIAL TEAMS are what need improvement....NOT so much the offense?
We went 8-5 IN SPITE of the defense and the special teams. The offense was the only thing noteworthy in 2009.
And what am I tying to kids out of high school? Recruiting? Yeah, I'm tying our recruiting class ranking to the kids we just signed out of high school? Is that not a normal thing to do? What kids do you base your recruiting success (on signing day) on? Transfers? JUCO kids? I'm not sure I follow. Malzahn's offense was very much responsible for us attracting a lot of the offensive recruits that we did. What is it you find confusing about this statement? I'm tying some of his value to the program is in recruiting, if that's what you're confused about. But isn't that a big part of a lot of coaches value? The ability to recruit well?
Anyway, I'm a little confused about what you're missing here or what it is you think my point is. You somehow wandered off the Malzahn part of the discussion and context and started making "ifs" about being better than 8-5 the main point of the discussion.
Again, if Malzahn and his offense were coupled with a top 25 defense and competent special teams...based on what we've seen, a team like that would not be 8-5.
Maybe look at it like an equation..if that helps you.
A- (offense) + D+ (defense) + C- (special teams) = 8-5 season
So we can project...
A- (offense) + B (defense) + B+ (special teams) = > 8-5 season
This equation exists because you asked the question about being an A- offense that goes 8-5 every year...as if our offense is what equals the 8-5 record. Hopefully the visual aid above makes some sense.
Dude...you aren't ever going to get your point across. Just call him a dumb ass and move on...
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Dude...you aren't ever going to get your point across. Just call him a dumb ass and move on...
This. The guy just argues to argue. There was no defense for what he tried to say earlier, but kudos to jadennis for humoring him with conversation.
It's his opinion, he's entitled to it... :rolleyes:
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Dude...you aren't ever going to get your point across. Just call him a dumb ass and move on...
Mods can we change all of WE's posts to Pink, so we can notice them easier and by pass what they're saying.
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Here is thee problem in a nutshell. You read whatever I write and process it through two filters.
First, you ascribe an emotion to it. You assume rage or pissed off or whatever. No basis for it at all. Haven't been pissed off since the KY game I don't think. I'm hardly ever mad about anything. It's just the way I write. So you start initially with a gross misconception that gives you license to apply motives that don't exist. Liberally.
Second you assume that because I state my opinion as fact -- something you do when you write unless you're Scarbinsky and only ask open ended questions -- I'm attemping to portray myself as an authority. It's just the way I write. I've been fortunate enough in my life to have a number of jobs. Through them and other situations I've been lucky enough to make some fantastic associations. Why those are irrelvant in the context of the discussion I don't know. It does seem to irk you as evidenced by your repeated immature references.
The fact that you process everything in this manner makes even mild disagreemt with you practically impossible.
This is not a major issue at all. My opinion is (and remains) that raises and extensions are premature. Had this staff been hired with a sterling pedigree and the gravitas to back it up, I could see the need to lay the coin. But when you're the seventh place program and you've yet to prove you belong in the upper half, there is nothing wrong with drawing middle of the pack pay.
Saban? Hate him. Worth the money. Miles? Dumb but with a NC. He's done it. Richt? Won the SEC. Meyer? No question. Nutt? He won at Arkansas. Petrino? He had the resume.
I can see where it could be a good PR move. If you tried to justify it from that angle I might buy it. But the "slave wages" comment was absurd. He did a credible job his first season. Not spectacular. Recruiting was energetic and effective. Another positive. But has this staff really reached the point that we have to be freaking out because they don't make more than everybody? You say yes based on what you see and hear. I say no based on the same. (insert obligatory Chizad crack about my days as a gnome herder or when I used to build robots made of twine and Hershey's kisses)
This appears to be the problem. Instead of actually reading my argument that is presented to you, you see red and ignore it entirely, or see it how you want to see it.
The source that I sited explicitly says that head coaching salaries are not factored in. And we were fourth on that list. Combined assistant's salaries, not head coaches, not individual coaches.
I said that if you did factor in head coaching salaries, we'd be significantly lower. Florida, for example, is seventh on the list, but would be a close second to Alabama when you factor in Urban's salary. We're not a one man show at Auburn, and that's fine with me. We're still spending less than over half of the SEC are on our coaching staff. Our ENTIRE STAFF, HEAD COACH INCLUDED makes less than Nick Saban by himself. That is substantially worth noting.
You brought up Chizik's salary. As you conveniently ignored, he's only ahead of SC, UK, and Mississippi State (and presumably Vanderbilt) in head coaching salaries. Houston Nutt at Ole Miss sure does think we spoil him.
For more insight on how our coaching staff is far from overpaid, I suggest reading my posts in this thread again (for the first time), without the rage storm blocking your view.
First of all, actually read my posts before you go off about what I did and did not address.
Secondly, burden of proof and such. I can, and have, supplied indisputable justification for my position. You claim to have BBQ with "people who work with other SEC programs". Just like you claim to have an inside track on everything that is ever discussed on this board. You were previously a writer, football coach, basketball coach, baseball coach, curling coach, teacher, computer programmer, politician, auto mechanic, Hollywood director, insurance adjuster, dentist, stapler manufacturer....the list grows with every new topic in which you claim you know what you're talking about and no one else does.
So which is it? You ignore us, or you angrily pound out ten paragraph diatribes? Of course, you claim to ignore us when even you, as creative and argumentative as you are, can't possibly dispute the facts you're presented (see your misinterpretation of the list of coach's salaries).
The only people to ever come to your defense are GreaseyWeasel and RWS.
Case closed.
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Mods can we change all of WE's posts to Pink, so we can notice them easier and by pass what they're saying.
Why would we want to do that? They are usually straightforward and to the point. They don't make feeble attempts to out smartass the biggest smartass on the board. And more importantly, they don't run on for eleven paragraphs of nothingness.
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I respectfully request that WE remove Chop's name from his clever response as well.
Bygones and all.
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Here is thee problem in a nutshell.
^^^That's when I stopped reading^^^
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Damn, I thought we were done. You got your last comment and all.
I agree..that we can agree...to disagree.
Since you're still stuck on the clearly hyperbolas comment that you'd rather our staff make slave wages (not that they presently do), I apologize for it.
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Why would we want to do that? They are usually straightforward and to the point. They don't make feeble attempts to out smartass the biggest smartass on the board. And more importantly, they don't run on for eleven paragraphs of nothingness.
Thanks Wench. You taking up for me is the :tits:
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Thanks Wench. You taking up for me is the :tits:
The girls and I were happy to oblige this time, but don't get used to it. As long as you are a Cowboy fan, my tolerance towards you is severely limited... :poke:
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The girls and I were happy to oblige this time, but don't get used to it. As long as you are a Cowboy fan, my tolerance towards you is severely limited... :poke:
I am an adopted Cowboy fan. Life is just better here in the area when they are winning...
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The girls and I were happy to oblige this time, but don't get used to it. As long as you are a Cowboy fan, my tolerance towards you is severely limited... :poke:
So...Wench is War Eagle's Sancho or Punto?
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We're still spending less than over half of the SEC are on our coaching staff. Our ENTIRE STAFF, HEAD COACH INCLUDED makes less than Nick Saban by himself.
Bump now that bammer's staff all got raises.
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/trustees_approve_raises_for_ti.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/trustees_approve_raises_for_ti.html)
Trustees approve raises for five Tide assistant football coaches
By Gentry Estes, Mobile Press-Register
April 22, 2010, 9:04AM
Trustees approved a group of raises this morning for five Crimson Tide assistant football coaches and contract extensions through 2012 for the entire staff.
Here are the new salary numbers ...
-- Offensive line coach Joe Pendry: To $425,000, up from $390,000.
-- Offensive coordinator Jim McElwain: To $410,000, up from $360,000
-- Linebackers coach Sal Sunseri: To $350,000, up from $325,000.
-- Tight ends coach Bobby Williams: To $305,000, up from $290,000.
-- Strength coach Scott Cochran: To $210,000, up $160,000.
Salaries for three assistants -- Defensive line coach Bo Davis ($270,000), receivers coach Curt Cignetti ($250,000) and running backs coach Burton Burns ($270,000) -- remained the same though a year was added to those deals.
Pendry's deal increases to $450,000 in 2011 and Cochran's to $225,000 to 2011. Otherwise, the numbers remain the same in the second year of all coaches.
Defensive coordinator Kirby Smart is now easily the best-paid member of the coaching staff. Alabama increased Smart's salary to $750,000 earlier this year, matching an offer made by Georgia that Smart turned down to stay at Alabama.
New defensive assistant Jeremy Pruitt previously agreed to a two-year deal with $190,000 the first year.
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/nick_saban_to_get_his_extra_5.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/nick_saban_to_get_his_extra_5.html)
Nick Saban to get his extra $5 million spread over each year
By Gentry Estes, Mobile Press-Register
April 22, 2010, 9:27AM
Though the total amount for the life of the deal remains the same, Saban now stands to make a salary of $4,633,333.33 for the 2010 season, up from the original amount of $4.1 million and paid to him in full in February.
The raise and contract extension Saban agreed to last year included the formation of a $5 million "Contract Year Completion Benefit" clause that was to pay Saban a lump sum at three different times if he is still coaching the Crimson Tide. He would have been due an additional $1.6 million in Jan. 2012, $1.7 million in Jan. 2015 and $1.7 million more in Jan. 2018.
Under new terms approved today by trustees, Saban would still receive the same $5 million total, only it would be spread over each year instead of the three-year milestones. It also now involves "accrual dates" on Sept. 1 of each year with payment due on Feb. 15 of the following year. If Saban is coaching Alabama's team each year on Sept. 1, he would only be due the full amount in February if his contract is terminated by UA without cause, not if Saban terminates the deal.
Trustees also approved 2010 salaries today for Alabama assistant coaches.
As it stands now, Saban received an additional $533,333.33 on April 15 of this year. He'll get the same amount Feb. 15, 2011 and Feb. 15, 2012, assuming he's still coaching Alabama's team on Sept. 1, 2010 and Sept. 1, 2011.
The amount increases to $566,666.67 on Feb. 15, 2013 (with the accrual date of Sept. 1, 2012). That sum would be the annual payout until Feb. 15, 2018, the year of the contract's expiration.
Per terms of his original 2007 contract, Saban made a salary of $3.9 million during the 2009 season, with incentives pushing the total far past $4 million. Now the $533.333.33 bonus he accrued and received this April is added to that total.
He was scheduled to earn a base salary of $4.1 million in 2010, $4.15 million the following year and $4.2 million during the 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 seasons, though the bonus will now raise each of those numbers by at least half a million.
*** Saban also received a term life insurance policy as paid for by UA as a result of today's approved amendment.
RWS, are you still shitting your pants over how dumb we could be to pay our guru OC $500,000 when you're paying an OL coach $450,000 next year?
Here's what I could gather. I organized them by salary per team, rather than position to illustrate a point.
Chizik - $2,100,000 Saban - $4,633,333.33 = uat pays $2,533,333.33 more
Malzahn - $500,000 Smart - $750,000 = uat pays $250,000 more
Roof - $370,000 Pendry - $425,000 = uat pays $55,000 more
Taylor - $352,000 McElwain $410,000 = uat pays $58,000 more
Rocker - $330,000 Suneri - $350,000 = uat pays $20,000 more
Grimes - $319,000 Williams $305,000 = Auburn pays $14,000 more
Luper - $286,000 Davis - $270,000 = Auburn pays $16,000 more
Lolley - $231,000 Burns - $270,000 = uat pays $39,000 more
Boulware - $231,000 Cignetti - $250,000 = uat pays $19,000 more
Yoxall - ??? Cochran - $210,000 -- Couldn't find Yoxall's salary, but I'd be willing to bet it's under $210k.
So strength coaches excluded, uat is paying its coaches $2,944,333.33 more than Auburn.
Does anyone know what Yoxall's salary is to get a more accurate number?
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Bump now that bammer's staff all got raises.
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/trustees_approve_raises_for_ti.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/trustees_approve_raises_for_ti.html)
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/nick_saban_to_get_his_extra_5.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/nick_saban_to_get_his_extra_5.html)RWS, are you still shitting your pants over how dumb we could be to pay our guru OC $500,000 when you're paying an OL coach $450,000 next year?
Here's what I could gather. I organized them by salary per team, rather than position to illustrate a point.
Chizik - $2,100,000 Saban - $4,633,333.33 = uat pays $2,533,333.33 more
Malzahn - $500,000 Smart - $750,000 = uat pays $250,000 more
Roof - $370,000 Pendry - $425,000 = uat pays $55,000 more
Taylor - $352,000 McElwain $410,000 = uat pays $58,000 more
Rocker - $330,000 Suneri - $350,000 = uat pays $20,000 more
Grimes - $319,000 Williams $305,000 = Auburn pays $14,000 more
Luper - $286,000 Davis - $270,000 = Auburn pays $16,000 more
Lolley - $231,000 Burns - $270,000 = uat pays $39,000 more
Boulware - $231,000 Cignetti - $250,000 = uat pays $19,000 more
Yoxall - ??? Cochran - $210,000 -- Couldn't find Yoxall's salary, but I'd be willing to bet it's under $210k.
So strength coaches excluded, uat is paying its coaches $2,944,333.33 more than Auburn.
Does anyone know what Yoxall's salary is to get a more accurate number?
Yoxall gets paid in protein. See Muscle March.
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Yoxall gets paid in protein. See Muscle March.
And his popular Yoxercise videos.
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BTDub..63,000 X 5 = $315,000.00. That little scrimmage last weekend should help cover the cost.
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But on a side note, seriously... I got in the wrong fucking field.
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But on a side note, seriously... I got in the wrong fucking field.
ya'll (lawyers) crack me up.
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But on a side note, seriously... I got in the wrong fucking field.
contact Kaos...he's "in the know" :rolleyes:
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So strength coaches excluded, uat is paying its coaches $2,944,333.33 more than Auburn.
(http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=TL&Date=20100420&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=100419423&Ref=AR&Profile=1011)
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(http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=TL&Date=20100420&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=100419423&Ref=AR&Profile=1011)
I saw those two rings yesterday with the open slot for the 3rd ring (SPuat's ring to the players for 13 MNC...the player told me that it'll have 13 diamonds to represent the MNCs. I told him, "so it'll have 8 real diamonds and 5 cubic zirconias?" He laughed pretty hard on that one. He knew that I was an Auburn fan.) I told him that the SEC Championship ring looks a lot better than the MNC ring. The MNC ring looks too bland, compared to the SEC Championship one.
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(http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=TL&Date=20100420&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=100419423&Ref=AR&Profile=1011)
You need to arrest that kid, he obviously stole that jewelry.
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You need to arrest that kid, he obviously stole that jewelry.
That jewelry was purchased on January 3rd of 2007. It just came a little earlier than expected.
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That jewelry was purchased on January 3rd of 2007. It just came a little earlier than expected.
The Mahogany box that the Championship rings are in is pretty fuckin' sharp as well.
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RWS, are you still shitting your pants over how dumb we could be to pay our guru OC $500,000 when you're paying an OL coach $450,000 next year?
I think Token's reply sums up my response nicely. Alabama just won the SEC, and the NC. I certainly don't think that is putting the cart before the horse.
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I think Token's reply sums up my response nicely. Alabama just won the SEC, and the NC. I certainly don't think that is putting the cart before the horse.
This guy said it best. :jesus:
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Matthew 7:3-5
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This guy said it best. :jesus:
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With all due respect...how in the flying fuck do you have the balls to quote Jesus, when you put Him and Christianity down at every turn? Unless I just miss the blatant sarcasm here...you can't pick and choose...
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So, Chizad puts down Tebow at every turn?
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So, Chizad puts down Tebow at every turn?
With all due respect...Tebow is not Jesus. On the other hand, do you really know the Tebow testimony? If you don't, well you need to shut the phuk up and listen. My wife went to a local Church here recently to listen to Tim Tebow's mom speak. Very, very intriguing story to say the least.
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With all due respect...Tebow is not Jesus.
BLASPHEMY!!!!
BLASPHEMY!!!!
BLASPHEMY!!!!
BLASPHEMY!!!!
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With all due respect...Tebow is not Jesus. On the other hand, do you really know the Tebow testimony? If you don't, well you need to shut the phuk up and listen. My wife went to a local Church here recently to listen to Tim Tebow's mom speak. Very, very intriguing story to say the least.
I don't mean to step into another political/religious discussion, but you probably aren't going to change anyone's mind about Christianity by telling them to shut the **** up. And I don't mean that in a smart*** way.
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My wife went to a local Church here recently to listen to Tim Tebow's mom speak. Very, very intriguing story to say the least.
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I don't mean to step into another political/religious discussion, but you probably aren't going to change anyone's mind about Christianity by telling them to shut the **** up. And I don't mean that in a smart*** way.
Not trying to change anyones mind, and the comment was a friendly shut the **** up. I thought this was grown up world.
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I don't mean to step into another political/religious discussion, but you probably aren't going to change anyone's mind about Christianity by telling them to shut the **** up. And I don't mean that in a smart*** way.
That tactic actually works if you're a devout Christian.
(Cue Wes)
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Not trying to change anyones mind, and the comment was a friendly shut the **** up. I thought this was grown up world.
Planting the seed is the goal. Although people sometimes do need to shut the **** up, it is not the job of the Christian to tell them to do so.
And I'm not sure what the "grown up world" is about, so I have no comment regarding that matter.
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Planting the seed is the goal. Although people sometimes do need to shut the **** up, it is not the job of the Christian to tell them to do so.
I agree
And I'm not sure what the "grown up world" is about, so I have no comment regarding that matter.
Comment means that I am sure I didn't hurt Prowlers or anyone else's feelings.
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It's upper echelon, no doubt, but not out of this world. Not Monte Kiffin's 1.2 mil last year. But he's certainly one of the most coveted OC in the conference, if not the most. It will take that kind of money to draw him away from the mil plus to be a HC somewhere.
This is where you lose me.
Other than Finebaum's attempt to derail recruiting by floating a Louisiana Tech rumor, what coveting is there?
It's my estimation -- and in talking to people in the business -- most of the SEC (as well as the other major conferences) are not nearly as sold on Malzahn as some of you are. There are still questions, there's still the often quoted "just a few years out of high school" line and there's still a sense that he's got a little charlatan in him -- that his "scheme" won't work here, there or anywhere in the long term. Is some (maybe a lot) of that misguided? Probably.
But to say "most coveted" is simply not true. Maybe to you but you dont' count.
Too bad dipshit's not around for me to rub this in his face...
http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-05-18/sn10-best-offensive-coordinators-college-football (http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-05-18/sn10-best-offensive-coordinators-college-football)
Tuesday, May. 18, 2010 - 2:50 p.m. ET
Sporting News college football columnist Matt Hayes offers his 10 best for a specific topic each week. This week's top 10: offensive coordinators.
1. Gus Malzahn, Auburn. Here's what makes this ranking even more remarkable: In four previous seasons as a Division I assistant coach, Malzahn used quarterbacks running his system for the first time (Chris Todd at Auburn, Paul Smith and David Johnson at Tulsa) and one playing as a true freshman (Mitch Mustain at Arkansas). Junior college transfer Cameron Newton makes it 5-for-5 this fall at Auburn. The previous four quarterbacks combined to throw 125 touchdown passes.
Boise State OC Bryan Harsin is likely to land a head-coaching job next offseason.
Boise State OC Bryan Harsin is likely to land a head-coaching job next offseason.
2. Bryan Harsin, Boise State. Seems like a natural progression for Boise State offensive coordinators: Dan Hawkins replaced Dirk Koetter as head coach when Koetter left; Chris Petersen replaced Hawkins when Hawkins left. But Harsin, maybe the most talented of the bunch, likely won't continue the trend. Petersen isn't going anywhere, but Harsin—whose scoring offenses have been ranked first, 20th, fourth and second in the nation in his four seasons—will be a hot coaching candidate this winter.
3. Norm Chow, UCLA. Forget about UCLA's struggles the past two seasons; much of that was inexperienced personnel, poor protection and limited difference-makers on the outside. Coach Rick Neuheisel has upgraded the talent in Westwood, and if QB Kevin Prince plays with confidence, Chow, the game's best play-caller, will get it rolling again.
4. Kevin Wilson, Oklahoma. It's hard to argue with the abundance of college stars produced by Sooners offenses over the years. The addition of the no-huddle two years ago made OU more difficult to defend, and now other teams have sent coaches to Norman to figure out the specifics of it all.
5. Mark Whipple, Miami. Returned Miami to its roots with a balanced and aggressive pro-style scheme. When the Canes had it rolling, the offense was downhill running and play-action passing. He does a terrific job with multiple formations and deception.
6. Frank Cignetti Jr., Pitt. His reclamation of quarterback Bill Stull last season was remarkable, and his grooming of Tino Sunseri will pay off this fall. His offense is influenced by numerous stops, including his days as an NFL assistant, his time in the high-flying WAC at Fresno State and his season under Cal coach Jeff Tedford, one of the game's best offensive minds.
7. Dana Holgorsen, Oklahoma State. Another in a long line of former Mike Leach assistants who have taken the original Hal Mumme offense and continued to build on the concept of short throws, multiple formations and multiple-option routes for receivers.
8. Robert Anae, BYU. Like Holgorsen, Anae spent time under Leach at Texas Tech (2000-04) but has added more run-based sets to the passing system. Doesn't get nearly enough credit for the success of BYU under coach Bronco Mendenhall.
9. Jim McElwain, Alabama. Very little is heard about McElwain because of coach Nick Saban's "one voice" policy from the coaching staff. But make no mistake, McElwain has been a critical factor in the quick turnaround under Saban. His game plan against Florida in last year's SEC championship game—dismantling the nation's best defense—was a thing of beauty.
10. Galen Hall, Penn State. Yoda in the skybox. He'll be 70 this August, and Hall hasn't lost a thing when it comes to finding flaws and exposing weaknesses in defenses. It's not like he's had star quality of late at the most important position on the field, yet Penn State continues to have to most balanced offense in the Big Ten.