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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on September 03, 2010, 11:50:05 AM
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The title's a little sensational, cause I don't think a 9 win season is all that "Special", but here goes.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/sec_football_by_the_numbers_we.html
Special season for Auburn?
Published: Friday, September 03, 2010, 5:06 AM
The Press-Register and al.com are counting down the final days (1) until the first Saturday of the college football season on Sept. 4.
If history is any indication, it could be a special season for Auburn.
The Tigers' last three head coaches all won nine games in their second season at AU..
Pat Dye's 1982 team went 9-3 after going 5-6 in his first season; Terry Bowden's 1994 squad followed an 11-0 season with a 9-1-1 record; and Tommy Tuberville's 2000 team went 9-4 and won the SEC West title after going 5-6 the previous year.
Gene Chizik will try to follow or better that trend starting Saturday against Arkansas State. His first team went 8-5 a year ago.
Could the Tigers win more than nine? Maybe. The last two times the team lost five regular-season games (1992 and 2003), the Tigers went undefeated the next year.
This season also marks the 25th anniversary of Auburn's second Heisman Trophy win. Bo Jackson took home the 1985 trophy after rushing for 17 touchdowns and 1,786 yards, an average of 6.4 yards per carry.
He edged Iowa quarterback Chuck Long by 45 points to become the 51st winner. He followed 1971 winner Pat Sullivan into the Auburn record book.
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The most outrageous thing in that article is that Bo "edged out Chuck Long" by ONLY 45 points. What the hell were all those voters thinking
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Cool stats/trends. I tend to believe this team will be at the 9-10 win range...better if the D steps up.
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Cool stats/trends. I tend to believe this team will be at the 9-10 win range...better if the D steps up.
It's like you're in my head.
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I did read a blurb from Josh Bynes in one of the preseason mags where he said the front four are bigger and stronger than he's seen since he's been at AU. He was saying he thought that would be the biggest reason for the D being better. I was noticing that earlier when looking at the updated roster. We'll be rotating 4 guys in the middle who are all right at or above the 300 pound mark, which we've never had at Auburn. Also, in seeing these guys up close, they're in some serious shape for being that big.
I have no idea how any of that will translate to a better D or more wins, but anything has to be an improvement over last year. I can't wait. A little over 24 hours. It just moved.
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I don't know, if its all the coke I have been doing, or the fact that it is finally here but I do think we are gonna have a special season. I say no fewer than 10 wins and our defense is dominating.
Suck on that Snaggle!
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I like the article. I like your prediction Chad.
But I wish we could keep it on the down low more in the media and as fans in general. We do better when not being talked about as much. Call it karma or whatever, but I really wish Herbie had not picked us to win the West. I'd rather not be talked about and fly under the radar.
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I like the article. I like your prediction Chad.
But I wish we could keep it on the down low more in the media and as fans in general. We do better when not being talked about as much. Call it karma or whatever, but I really wish Herbie had not picked us to win the West. I'd rather not be talked about and fly under the radar.
Fuck thayutt. We's gone win us a nayshunal champeenship and I don't give two farts in thuh wind who nose it.
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Every season is a special season at Auburn, what the hell are you guys talking about. I say 10 wins or mo.
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I don't know, if its all the coke I have been doing, or the fact that it is finally here but I do think we are gonna have a special season. I say no fewer than 10 wins and our defense is dominating.
Suck on that Snaggle!
Sometimes I'm the eternal optimist re Auburn Football. Something nagging in me says that tomorrow night I'll see that Cam isn't going to be so great and that I will spend the rest of the season dreading each game. Cam will make or break the season. The defense WILL be improved, and we have a good O line, and weapons of offense, but Im just so worried that Cam won't be the ball distributor we need. Not saying he'll flop, but just not be as advertised. I hope with all my heart he is as advertised, but I'm worried.
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Sometimes I'm the eternal optimist re Auburn Football. Something nagging in me says that tomorrow night I'll see that Cam isn't going to be so great and that I will spend the rest of the season dreading each game. Cam will make or break the season. The defense WILL be improved, and we have a good O line, and weapons of offense, but Im just so worried that Cam won't be the ball distributor we need. Not saying he'll flop, but just not be as advertised. I hope with all my heart he is as advertised, but I'm worried.
Fuck you Kaos
Seriously though, it depends on how much Cam has watched ESPN and read magazines. They need to tune that shit out.
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Sometimes I'm the eternal optimist re Auburn Football. Something nagging in me says that tomorrow night I'll see that Cam isn't going to be so great and that I will spend the rest of the season dreading each game. Cam will make or break the season. The defense WILL be improved, and we have a good O line, and weapons of offense, but Im just so worried that Cam won't be the ball distributor we need. Not saying he'll flop, but just not be as advertised. I hope with all my heart he is as advertised, but I'm worried.
As I've said before, I don't think there's any doubt there will be some face-palm moments with Cam initially. The other day in the practice/scrimmage, they must have run an hour of passing plays (against no defense). They appeared to be working a lot on his touch. You just sat there mesmorized by the guys arm and how he could send a tight spiral 50+ yards with the flick of the wrist. Then they lined up against the 1's and ran some plays. His second pass was right to T'Sharvin Bell on a slant pattern. Face Palm.
Then, he hits Quasmanian Carr in the corner of the endzone from 40 yards out with one of the most beautiful passes you'll ever see. Boner.
Ultimately, I think the guy is going to be bad ass after a few rough spots. JMHO. He was a 5* QB for a reason and signed with one of the premier programs in the country for a reason too. He wound up going JUCO and absolutely tore it up. He's come in and gained the trust and respect of his team mates who have raved over not only his talent, but more importantly, his work ethic. As I said, he was the last one to leave the practice field after running wind sprints on his own. I honestly think the mistakes he does make will be magnified X10 because by now, this kid is expected to be bigger than life. We expected Todd to go full on tard so when he did, we all just went, "Fucking Chris Todd". Newton won't be afforded that luxury.
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Fuck you Kaos
Same thing I was thinking.
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As I've said before, I don't think there's any doubt there will be some face-palm moments with Cam initially. The other day in the practice/scrimmage, they must have run an hour of passing plays (against no defense). They appeared to be working a lot on his touch. You just sat there mesmorized by the guys arm and how he could send a tight spiral 50+ yards with the flick of the wrist. Then they lined up against the 1's and ran some plays. His second pass was right to T'Sharvin Bell on a slant pattern. Face Palm.
Then, he hits Quasmanian Carr in the corner of the endzone from 40 yards out with one of the most beautiful passes you'll ever see. Boner.
Ultimately, I think the guy is going to be bad ass after a few rough spots. JMHO. He was a 5* QB for a reason and signed with one of the premier programs in the country for a reason too. He wound up going JUCO and absolutely tore it up. He's come in and gained the trust and respect of his team mates who have raved over not only his talent, but more importantly, his work ethic. As I said, he was the last one to leave the practice field after running wind sprints on his own. I honestly think the mistakes he does make will be magnified X10 because by now, this kid is expected to be bigger than life. We expected Todd to go full on tard so when he did, we all just went, "Fucking Chris Todd". Newton won't be afforded that luxury.
See Auburn v. LSU, 2009.
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See Auburn v. LSU, 2009.
Difference is he never got retard strong.
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Difference is he never got retard strong.
Fact. Even Waddle Caudle looked better than him, and that's not saying much.
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Fact. Even Waddle Caudle looked better than him, and that's not saying much.
Well when you are trying to compare the effectiveness of bitch slaps it is relative.
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Well when you are trying to compare the effectiveness of bitch slaps it is relative.
Todd could win a mean slap fight.
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Todd could win a mean slap fight.
Well yeah. His slaps got so much stronger after the surgery. Prior to that...Pfffft..
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Well yeah. His slaps got so much stronger after the surgery. Prior to that...Pfffft..
Kodi Burns is our new starting punter. The coaches tell him to line up and throw a ten yard pass. 60 yard punt every time.
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Y'all are talking about the same Chris Todd that hold Auburn's single season passing TD record? THAT tard?
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Y'all are talking about the same Chris Todd that hold Auburn's single season passing TD record? THAT tard?
Yes...that tard.
I keed about Tard...I mean Todd. He did some great things last year, no doubt. However, he's the epitome of the system QB. Malzahn has made several guys look all world at times playing in his system, which I'm not saying is a bad thing. No complaints here. But, you have to admit he had a bad tendency to go water head when the pressure came.
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Y'all are talking about the same Chris Todd that hold Auburn's single season passing TD record? THAT tard?
Yep, that's him. He's no Daniel Cobb.
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Y'all are talking about the same Chris Todd that hold Auburn's single season passing TD record? THAT tard?
Yes.
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Josh Bynes agrees.
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Yep, that's him. He's no Daniel Cobb.
Very few are, my friend. Very few are.
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Yes.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/wkmufq.jpg)
Josh Bynes agrees.
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I started to run myself until I saw it was just a post on a message board.
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Sometimes I'm the eternal optimist re Auburn Football. Something nagging in me says that tomorrow night I'll see that Cam isn't going to be so great and that I will spend the rest of the season dreading each game. Cam will make or break the season. The defense WILL be improved, and we have a good O line, and weapons of offense, but Im just so worried that Cam won't be the ball distributor we need. Not saying he'll flop, but just not be as advertised. I hope with all my heart he is as advertised, but I'm worried.
Complete opposite feeling....something in my gut tells me Cam is gonna be a gamer and I am no sunshine pumper. My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I do believe the defense will be much improved and that we should win at least 9.
:bar: Here is hoping I'm right and you're wrong!!!
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I started to run myself until I saw it was just a post on a message board.
Do you sing cadence when you run yourself? :rimshot:
Josh Bynes looked as though he was going to rip Todd to pieces w/o even moving a muscle.
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Complete opposite feeling....something in my gut tells me Cam is gonna be a gamer and I am no sunshine pumper. My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I do believe the defense will be much improved and that we should win at least 9.
:bar: Here is hoping I'm right and you're wrong!!!
Ditto
Cam will probably have more rushing yards than our RBs this weekend...he's gonna hurt atleast two players that try to tackle him up high.
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Complete opposite feeling....something in my gut tells me Cam is gonna be a gamer and I am no sunshine pumper. My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I do believe the defense will be much improved and that we should win at least 9.
:bar: Here is hoping I'm right and you're wrong!!!
I said I hoped I was wrong too...it appears that Cam won't be a flop, but I doubt performances like that will happen in the SEC every week. OTOH...the fucking defense! Shiiiiiiiiit!
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The thing about the defense, is that tackling like they were Saturday night, coupled with a better scheme and mixing up things a little, they can still be rocking the shit out of Miss St.. Ability wise, we're better than we were last year. Depth wise, we're better. Scheme? Well, that'll be answered quickly, but NOT after game 1. Getting one of our starting linebackers is going to be pretty nice too. His experience and reads is going to be crucial going forward.
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The thing about the defense, is that tackling like they were Saturday night, coupled with a better scheme and mixing up things a little, they can still be rocking the shit out of Miss St.. Ability wise, we're better than we were last year. Depth wise, we're better. Scheme? Well, that'll be answered quickly, but NOT after game 1. Getting one of our starting linebackers is going to be pretty nice too. His experience and reads is going to be crucial going forward.
Scheme? Like what? Roof and Chiz are both 4-3 guys. They do basically the same things. There's no new "scheme".
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Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I thought the defense did a pretty decent job overall (outside of a busted coverage or two).
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so, JR...you hope that you're wrong about Cam, but you add that you doubt that Cam can do that against the SEC every week. That's bammer talk. Doubting Cam is like doubting Jesus and Fergie
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Scheme? Like what? Roof and Chiz are both 4-3 guys. They do basically the same things. There's no new "scheme".
Listen Captain Smartypants. I know you know every breakdown to every fucking fart on film when it comes to this shit, but we played a base defense for the most part. They will shift people, and move people when they feel like they have a good read on what the offense was going to do. They will blitz at different times based on different situations. Okay? Is that so fuckin' hard to get? It wasn't a challenge for you to unleash a youtube video, sub-paragraph riddled manifesto on how I was incorrect by using the word "scheme".
Dial it down a notch.
My fucking head hurts from the Epic ugliness that is the uniforms on ESPN right now. Fuck. FUUUUUCK.
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My fucking head hurts from the Epic ugliness that is the uniforms on ESPN right now. Fuck. FUUUUUCK.
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Boise upgraded. VT...not so much. On top of that, VT just spotted those blue, weak ass schedule playing faggots 3 points.
It's going to be a long fucking year listening to all the Boise State dick suckers.
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Boise upgraded. VT...not so much. On top of that, VT just spotted those blue, weak ass schedule playing faggots 3 points.
It's going to be a long fucking year listening to all the Boise State dick suckers.
I'll tell you what, they're putting some hits on VT on kick off returns. Shit.
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Okay..so thus far, they're hitting pretty hard everywhere else too. :popcorn:
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Listen Captain Smartypants. I know you know every breakdown to every fucking fart on film when it comes to this shit, but we played a base defense for the most part. They will shift people, and move people when they feel like they have a good read on what the offense was going to do. They will blitz at different times based on different situations. Okay? Is that so fuckin' hard to get? It wasn't a challenge for you to unleash a youtube video, sub-paragraph riddled manifesto on how I was incorrect by using the word "scheme".
Dial it down a notch.
My fucking head hurts from the Epic ugliness that is the uniforms on ESPN right now. Fuck. FUUUUUCK.
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they pursued like shit...scheme be damned
And I know very little about defensive Xs and Os. People do get defensive when you do know something about football beyond what Dr. Lou says though.
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so, JR...you hope that you're wrong about Cam, but you add that you doubt that Cam can do that against the SEC every week. That's bammer talk. Doubting Cam is like doubting Jesus and Fergie
I said last week I hoped I was wrong. As far as I'm concerned, he's as advertised. Merely meant the SEC has better defenses, and he won't be putting up 3 bills in yard and 5 TDs every week. Cam is good.
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meaning he wont' have 300+ yards and 5 tds a week. He's good...the SEC is better than Ark State. Cam is a weapon...I'm happy...quit reading complete negativity in to my posts.
No. You called me out on my using the word "scheme". You put it in quotes. You decided that you were going to blitz my obviously ignorant and subpar post by making sure that your point was made.
It smelled and looked negative. If not. Whatev...all is good.
Thanks for letting me know that that Cam is good, and that the SEC is better than Arkansas State. You definitely stopped me from going off on a sure to come shortly soapbox journey down Arky State for the BCS Championship trail. That would've been embarrassing, huh?
:poke: (means I'm messin' with you....)
Whoops... Guess I caught that before you erased it to go with this instead:
they pursued like shit...scheme be damned
And I know very little about defensive Xs and Os. People do get defensive when you do know something about football beyond what Dr. Lou says though.
Yeah. I learnefff efferyffing I know from Dr. Lou.
Sorry man, but you've gone WAYYYY overboard a few times and searched out, or created many meaningless debates.
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No but I'll be surprised if Cam doesn't total two fidy a game.
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Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I thought the defense did a pretty decent job overall (outside of a busted coverage or two).
I have been saying the same thing since game night. A lot of unwarranted "our defense is abysmal and needs to unfuck itself quick!" talk.
Looking at the score that's an easy assumption to make, but if you actually watched the game, they were serviceable at worst.
I think for the most part, they put adequate pressure on the QB, but he managed to get it off to a receiver with the quickness. He was damn good for a Sunbelt QB from what I could tell. When a reciever did catch his passes, it's not like they busted it wide open and ran for 20 extra yards. They were stopped dead in their tracks for the most part.
Most of the problems came from stupid turnovers & penalties by the offense & special teams. There was a lot if defending impossibly short fields. Let alone that our offense barely saw the field. Fourteen passes and 65 total offensive plays.
I feel like people predetermined that they would see a shitty defense, so that's what they saw. I saw zMarked improvement over last year's D.
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No. You called me out on my using the word "scheme". You put it in quotes. You decided that you were going to blitz my obviously ignorant and subpar post by making sure that your point was made.
It smelled and looked negative. If not. Whatev...all is good.
Thanks for letting me know that that Cam is good, and that the SEC is better than Arkansas State. You definitely stopped me from going off on a sure to come shortly soapbox journey down Arky State for the BCS Championship trail. That would've been embarrassing, huh?
:poke: (means I'm messin' with you....)
Whoops... Guess I caught that before you erased it to go with this instead:
Yeah. I learnefff efferyffing I know from Dr. Lou.
Sorry man, but you've gone WAYYYY overboard a few times and searched out, or created many meaningless debates.
You wrote scheme...I went with what you wrote by it's meaning. I responded to that. If that's not what you meant, then I responded to something you weren't talking about.
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Oh, and Chopper....
Sorry about going overboard and "searching out" whatever that means. I sometimes forget most folks couldn't really give a fucking hoot n hell about Xs and Os.
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I have been saying the same thing since game night. A lot of unwarranted "our defense is abysmal and needs to unfuck itself quick!" talk.
Looking at the score that's an easy assumption to make, but if you actually watched the game, they were serviceable at worst.
I think for the most part, they put adequate pressure on the QB, but he managed to get it off to a receiver with the quickness. He was damn good for a Sunbelt QB from what I could tell. When a reciever did catch his passes, it's not like they busted it wide open and ran for 20 extra yards. They were stopped dead in their tracks for the most part.
Most of the problems came from stupid turnovers & penalties by the offense & special teams. There was a lot if defending impossibly short fields. Let alone that our offense barely saw the field. Fourteen passes and 65 total offensive plays.
I feel like people predetermined that they would see a shitty defense, so that's what they saw. I saw zMarked improvement over last year's D.
To be fair, I didn't base my opinions on the overall score (although 26 is a hell of a lot to give up to a Sun Belt team). I looked more at what Arkansas State was able to do with the passing game. Their QBs completed 33 of 49 passes for 323 yards. That's a shit ton of yards and completions for a sun belt offense. I'll concede that Arkansas State is probably a better team in that conference, but it's still the sun belt.
And I'll also concede that it was the first game of the year so maybe it isn't that bad, but I still wouldn't call it an improvement.
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You wrote scheme...I went with what you wrote by it's meaning. I responded to that. If that's not what you meant, then I responded to something you weren't talking about.
I'll be sure to be very specific for you in the future. Sorry, I was talking casually and not in impress everyone with my jugernaut breakdown skills mode.
All is good. :wartim:
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I have been saying the same thing since game night. A lot of unwarranted "our defense is abysmal and needs to unfuck itself quick!" talk.
Looking at the score that's an easy assumption to make, but if you actually watched the game, they were serviceable at worst.
I think for the most part, they put adequate pressure on the QB, but he managed to get it off to a receiver with the quickness. He was damn good for a Sunbelt QB from what I could tell. When a reciever did catch his passes, it's not like they busted it wide open and ran for 20 extra yards. They were stopped dead in their tracks for the most part.
Most of the problems came from stupid turnovers & penalties by the offense & special teams. There was a lot if defending impossibly short fields. Let alone that our offense barely saw the field. Fourteen passes and 65 total offensive plays.
I feel like people predetermined that they would see a shitty defense, so that's what they saw. I saw zMarked improvement over last year's D.
Good take.
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Regardless of who you're playing...the best play to run against a Defense that is bringing pressure and isn't playing bump man, is what two plays?
I'll give you two hints, it's what ASU ran just about the Entire game and it's what the Auburn Defense started to shut down towards the end of the 2nd Qtr.
BTW, Coach Chizik wasn't doing any "coach speech" when he said that they wasn't sure what type of plays ASU was going to run at Coach Roof's Defense...unless you want to call the honest truth as "coach speech". There wasn't any film on the new OC from when he coached at Lambuth College or High School. Also, Coach Chizik commended Coach Roof on adjusting to what was happening against his D.
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Sorry, I was talking casually and not in impress everyone with my jugernaut breakdown skills mode.
Good thing! :poke:
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Offense makes me want to say 10 wins is very possible. However, our pass defense negates that confidence.
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I have been saying the same thing since game night. A lot of unwarranted "our defense is abysmal and needs to unfuck itself quick!" talk.
Looking at the score that's an easy assumption to make, but if you actually watched the game, they were serviceable at worst.
I think for the most part, they put adequate pressure on the QB, but he managed to get it off to a receiver with the quickness. He was damn good for a Sunbelt QB from what I could tell. When a reciever did catch his passes, it's not like they busted it wide open and ran for 20 extra yards. They were stopped dead in their tracks for the most part.
Most of the problems came from stupid turnovers & penalties by the offense & special teams. There was a lot if defending impossibly short fields. Let alone that our offense barely saw the field. Fourteen passes and 65 total offensive plays.
I feel like people predetermined that they would see a shitty defense, so that's what they saw. I saw zMarked improvement over last year's D.
Arkansas State
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Arkansas State
No.
It's easy to throw that out there....believe me, I was among the slack jawed silent majority in JHS when Arky st scored that first touchdown...but it didn't take long to realize that team was not a full blown cupcake. Their QB was good. Their receivers were good. Legitimately good.
We had our shortcomings...I'm not downplaying those by any means...blown assignments...Lbs that just looked clueless at times....the soft coverage...and there really isn't an acceptable excuse for any of that. But...
This team was no fucking San Jose State. I don't give a fuck what their record was last year.
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I will be interested to see what happens Thursday against what I consider to be one of the better coached teams we will play. Dan Mullen will have his team ready to play. We should have them over matched talent wise but that doesn't always get it done.
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I will be interested to see what happens Thursday against what I consider to be one of the better coached teams we will play. Dan Mullen will have his team ready to play. We should have them over matched talent wise but that doesn't always get it done.
I agree, we should beat the Bulldogs but this will be a far better test and team to judge our strengths and weaknesses by. Like I was telling GH in an earlier post, I curious to see how Newton plays against his "would be" if Malzahn hadn't of scooped him away.
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No.
It's easy to throw that out there....believe me, I was among the slack jawed silent majority in JHS when Arky st scored that first touchdown...but it didn't take long to realize that team was not a full blown cupcake. Their QB was good. Their receivers were good. Legitimately good.
We had our shortcomings...I'm not downplaying those by any means...blown assignments...Lbs that just looked clueless at times....the soft coverage...and there really isn't an acceptable excuse for any of that. But...
This team was no fucking San Jose State. I don't give a fuck what their record was last year.
A few teams that held Arkansas St to less than 366 yards on offense in 2009 (4-8 season):
Louisiana-Lafayette (beat Arky St)
Louisiana Monroe (beat Arky St)
Troy (beat Arky St)
Middle Tennessee (beat Arky St)
Western Kentucky (lost to Arky St)
Alabama held them under 200 yards in 2008, a season that they went 6-6. Look, San Jose St is a cupcake. No doubt. You won't find an Alabama fan that will tell you different. But really, the only difference between those two teams over the past few years is Arkansas St had 2 more wins in 2009. They are both horribly shitty teams. Arkansas St is the definition of a full blown cupcake.
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A few teams that held Arkansas St to less than 366 yards on offense in 2009 (4-8 season):
Louisiana-Lafayette (beat Arky St)
Louisiana Monroe (beat Arky St)
Troy (beat Arky St)
Middle Tennessee (beat Arky St)
Western Kentucky (lost to Arky St)
Alabama held them under 200 yards in 2008, a season that they went 6-6. Look, San Jose St is a cupcake. No doubt. You won't find an Alabama fan that will tell you different. But really, the only difference between those two teams over the past few years is Arkansas St had 2 more wins in 2009. They are both horribly poopty teams. Arkansas St is the definition of a full blown cupcake.
How does it feel to be an asshole, Neidermeyer?
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A few teams that held Arkansas St to less than 366 yards on offense in 2009 (4-8 season):
Louisiana-Lafayette (beat Arky St)
Louisiana Monroe (beat Arky St)
Troy (beat Arky St)
Middle Tennessee (beat Arky St)
Western Kentucky (lost to Arky St)
Alabama held them under 200 yards in 2008, a season that they went 6-6. Look, San Jose St is a cupcake. No doubt. You won't find an Alabama fan that will tell you different. But really, the only difference between those two teams over the past few years is Arkansas St had 2 more wins in 2009. They are both horribly shitty teams. Arkansas St is the definition of a full blown cupcake.
This is the part I am concerned about.
300 + yards to THIS ^^ team in the air. We most definitely DO need to unfuck our pass D.
On the other hand, Run D was pretty good.
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How does it feel to be an asshole, Neidermeyer?
It feels great! :bamahomer:
Seriously though, it is amusing that some are touting Arkansas St as anything more than a cupcake. It's just like last season with Prowler touting La Tech as a real threat, and talking about how talented they actually are. Then the usual suspects picking up the party line right with him.
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Then the usual suspects picking up the party line right with him.
I didn't even notice :clap:
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A few teams that held Arkansas St to less than 366 yards on offense in 2009 (4-8 season):
Louisiana-Lafayette (beat Arky St)
Louisiana Monroe (beat Arky St)
Troy (beat Arky St)
Middle Tennessee (beat Arky St)
Western Kentucky (lost to Arky St)
Alabama held them under 200 yards in 2008, a season that they went 6-6. Look, San Jose St is a cupcake. No doubt. You won't find an Alabama fan that will tell you different. But really, the only difference between those two teams over the past few years is Arkansas St had 2 more wins in 2009. They are both horribly shitty teams. Arkansas St is the definition of a full blown cupcake.
I somehow knew I'd be hearing this type of argument from you.
The season before last, they beat Texas A&M in their season opener 18-14. Last year they lost to #13 Iowa by a field goal 21-24, and won their season opener 61-0. Yes, their opponent in that game was Mississippi Valley State. That's the "definition of a full blown cupcake". Not the team that takes them to a 61-0 woodshedding.
Don't spin this as me trying to say that Arkansas State are worldbeaters. I think this new starting QB they have is very talented, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them win the Sunbelt.
They would beat the tires off of San Jose State.
We will both have to wait until next week to make any real comparisons, and I still feel like (despite the rankings showing favoritism to certain traditionally and historically "big name" teams), I think we will have the tougher opponent this weekend as well.
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Seriously though, it is amusing that some are touting Arkansas St as anything more than a cupcake. It's just like last season with Prowler touting La Tech as a real threat, and talking about how talented they actually are. Then the usual suspects picking up the party line right with him.
Louisiana Tech beat San Jose State 55-20 the last game of last year.
Just sayin.
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They would beat the tires off of San Jose State.
The fact that you feel the need to say this nearly proves my point. I mean, are we really sitting here comparing two totally shitty teams so you can feel justified as to which one is less shitty? "Our cupcake opponent was tougher than your cupcake opponent!"
If Alabama can hold a shit-tastic WAC team to under 200 yards with a defense playing 10 new starters and playing 2nd and 3rd teamers halfway through the 2nd quarter, Auburn should be able to hold a shit-tastic Sunbelt team to 300 yards or under. Just sayin'.
I can understand the argument since it's only the first game, but my position is simply that the AU defense will be medicore again in 2010. Whether that position is premature or not, we shall see. If I'm wrong, so be it. It's just my opinion. I have a feeling that MSU is going to torch AU's secondary on Thursday night, though.
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I watched every play and I wasn't that drunk...so this is my take and it is in the middle of sunshine pumper and jump off the ledge:
Arkansas State is a weak ass team. Auburn played Arkansas State like they were a weak ass team. In the first half, defensively, Auburn played EXTREMELY vanilla. Extremely. We didn't blitz and we played very soft in the secondary. We did that throughout the first half and up until Arkansas State score a TD to make it 35-24. After the Mario fumble, Auburn decided enough is enough and they started bringing pressure. Arkansas started that drive on about the 25 going in, and they finished that drive about 20 yards the wrong way. From that point on, they didn't get much else.
Now, I still think our defense isn't going to be great. But I don't think that the first half of the Arkansas State game is the reason for that. I just don't think we showed anything at all on defense. Our LB's are bad. Bynes is bad. Freeman is bad. And Bates will not wrap up to save his life. Our front 4 is good, not great, and our secondary has improved a ton since last year. Over all, we need Stevens back, and a few young LB's to step up, and I think we can be better defensively than we were last year.
We shall see...
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I have a feeling that MSU is going to torch AU's secondary on Thursday night, though.
The secondary is not the problem...
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The fact that you feel the need to say this nearly proves my point. I mean, are we really sitting here comparing two totally shitty teams so you can feel justified as to which one is less shitty? "Our cupcake opponent was tougher than your cupcake opponent!"
If Alabama can hold a shit-tastic WAC team to under 200 yards with a defense playing 10 new starters and playing 2nd and 3rd teamers halfway through the 2nd quarter, Auburn should be able to hold a shit-tastic Sunbelt team to 300 yards or under. Just sayin'.
I can understand the argument since it's only the first game, but my position is simply that the AU defense will be medicore again in 2010. Whether that position is premature or not, we shall see. If I'm wrong, so be it. It's just my opinion. I have a feeling that MSU is going to torch AU's secondary on Thursday night, though.
Fixed that.
We were not mediocre last year so this would be improvement.
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Fixed that.
We were not mediocre last year so this would be improvement.
THIS!
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Actually we were mediocre last year per the national rankings. We were in the 60-70th range out of 120 teams. It just seemed a lot worse being in the SEC and at Auburn.
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Actually we were mediocre last year per the national rankings. We were in the 60-70th range out of 120 teams. It just seemed a lot worse being in the SEC and at Auburn.
I thought we were lower than that. What were we in the SEC?
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I thought we were lower than that. What were we in the SEC?
I think 11th...
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I think 11th...
That is what I was thinking. I guess I just assumed anything that low would be lower nationally as well.
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I think 11th...
Yep, this man is correct. If you are not top 50 nationally, you are in the bottom 2-3 in the SEC. Just sick.
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So far, nothing to take from this other than the offense should be very, very good this year. Defensively, I'll wait until Thursday night to either hold out hope for a great season or go ahead and make the jump off the proverbial ledge. This looked like nothing more than a continuation of 2009. I do however, disagree on the secondary not being a problem. That may be the case for most of the DB's but Neiko Torched still has not covered a WR since he's been at Auburn. It's sad when Arkansas State starts picking on you.
As was said earlier, they did play very vanilla. On the post game show, both Rocker and The Chin openly stated they had no defensive game plan due to the new coordinator. As The Chin said, "We played a guessing game the entire first half". That's the last excuse I'm going to hold on to. There are none from here on out. If this defense is really improved, then Thursday night better be the night they prove it. If they lay an egg in Starkville, this season could get ugly real early because the following two weeks have much better teams coming to JHS.
And War Damn Cam. This guy is a beast. And I'm hoping that Malzahn is smart enough to know that when the games get tight this season, he'd better have Cam go all Vince Young and say, "It's your game baby. You're the best athlete on the field".
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And War Damn Cam. This guy is a beast. And I'm hoping that Malzahn is smart enough to know that when the games get tight this season, he'd better have Cam go all Vince Young and say, "It's your game baby. You're the best athlete on the field".
If they continue to bring Kodi in for the mild cat on 2nd and 3rd and short...I am going to be fucking pissed. Hopefully they just did this to give Kodi a TD in a game that was going to be won soundly. If this is the game plan going forward, I may drink myself into a coma...
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If they continue to bring Kodi in for the mild cat on 2nd and 3rd and short...I am going to be fucking pissed. Hopefully they just did this to give Kodi a TD in a game that was going to be won soundly. If this is the game plan going forward, I may drink myself into a coma...
If they quite doing so then Auburn loses an element of surprise. Everybody knows you can't predict what play is in the making when Kodi comes in the game.
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I think truthfully, the offense will not be as good as it appeared on Saturday night; nor will the defense be as bad.
Cam's not going to be able to run around and "make plays" against an SEC defense, so his accuracy with the deep ball will be of utmost importance from here on out. If he can get the ball to Adams, Carr, Reed and Zachary in stride every once in a while, the underneath routes will open up, as will his escape route lanes if the pocket collapses. If he struggles throwing it up top, the entire offense will struggle mightily against USCe, LSU and bammer especially.
On the other hand, as the young guys on D get more comfortable in the schemes, and Stephens gets back on the field, the D will probably actually be pretty good. No...they won't be a top 10, probably not even a top 20 unit overall. They will be steady against the run and decent against the pass. I have a feeling that Mallett is going for 400+ against this unit though. Hopefully most of that will be between the 20's.
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If they continue to bring Kodi in for the mild cat on 2nd and 3rd and short...I am going to be fucking pissed. Hopefully they just did this to give Kodi a TD in a game that was going to be won soundly. If this is the game plan going forward, I may drink myself into a coma...
I did my best to block that from my entire psyche. You had to bring it up.
What exactly are you accomplishing by taking one of the biggest and best running QB's in the nation out of the shotgun...and replacing him with Kodi Burns...in the shotgun? No knock on Kodi but come on. As long as Cam is in there, shouldn't the Mildcat be a thing of the past? You're already running it with Newtons running ability.
Q. Carr looked goooood. At first glance, I thought he was going to get called for a push off on his TD. However, the replays showed a little chicken fighting and Carr really didn't extend his arm. He did a good job of getting the DB to slow up for that split second needed to get separation. Plus, I'd just go ahead and name Dyer the starter and let him tote the rock all night. When I got back to my car Saturday night, I slammed the door. Untayreo fell down and Mario dropped his helmet.
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I did my best to block that from my entire psyche. You had to bring it up.
What exactly are you accomplishing by taking one of the biggest and best running QB's in the nation out of the shotgun...and replacing him with Kodi Burns...in the shotgun? No knock on Kodi but come on. As long as Cam is in there, shouldn't the Mildcat be a thing of the past? You're already running it with Newtons running ability.
Q. Carr looked goooood. At first glance, I thought he was going to get called for a push off on his TD. However, the replays showed a little chicken fighting and Carr really didn't extend his arm. He did a good job of getting the DB to slow up for that split second needed to get separation. Plus, I'd just go ahead and name Dyer the starter and let him tote the rock all night. When I got back to my car Saturday night, I slammed the door. Untayreo fell down and Mario dropped his helmet.
They are just kids.
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What exactly are you accomplishing by taking one of the biggest and best running QB's in the nation out of the shotgun...and replacing him with Kodi Burns...in the shotgun? No knock on Kodi but come on. As long as Cam is in there, shouldn't the Mildcat be a thing of the past? You're already running it with Newtons running ability.
In regards to the play in particular that is being referenced here, we saw version A. That was what we want defenses to study. Newton handing off to Burns to run is probably the worst of the many options for that play (which still resulted in a touchdown). Burns could have passed from there, or Cam could have held the ball and either ran or passed himself.
I like the misdirection.
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In regards to the play in particular that is being referenced here, we saw version A. That was what we want defenses to study. Newton handing off to Burns to run is probably the worst of the many options for that play (which still resulted in a touchdown). Burns could have passed from there, or Cam could have held the ball and either ran or passed himself.
I like the misdirection.
I am talking about the first TD. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that was just Kodi running it up the middle.
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I am talking about the first TD. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that was just Kodi running it up the middle.
It worked there, and it worked in the third quarter with the TD I was thinking of.
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It worked there, and it worked in the third quarter with the TD I was thinking of.
It hasn't worked a lot more at other times against a good defense. It is simple physics. If you need 1 yard and you are going to run some sort of off tackle power with the QB, don't take out your 6'6" 250lbs QB and put in a 6'0" 195lbs QB...
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Those folks that are defending Arkansas State, are straight up wearing Orange and Blue glasses.
I am not saying this defense can't and won't improve, hell it might have been the scheming from the coaches, however giving up 26 points and 366 passing yards to them IMO is unacceptable and isn't going to cut it when we get to conference play.
As Snaggle and Sani said, this Thursday will be a better test.
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Those folks that are defending Arkansas State, are straight up wearing Orange and Blue glasses.
I am not saying this defense can't and won't improve, hell it might have been the scheming from the coaches, however giving up 26 points and 366 passing yards to them IMO is unacceptable and isn't going to cut it when we get to conference play.
As Snaggle and Sani said, this Thursday will be a better test.
This..wait, I already said this. What he said I said.
As for the Mildcat, again, why bring in Kodi or anyone else to really do nothing more than stand and take a snap from exactly where Cam was just standing? He has all the options at his disposal, run, throw, handoff, go full tard (Wait, that was last year) I would much rather my regular QB be the one throwing the pass and I would certainly rather have 6'6" 250 going into the line (As WE said).
Anyone notice our backup tight end, who got in the game several times? Brandon Mosely had on #84. I thought that was a big S.O.B. coming in the game at TE.
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I watched every play and I wasn't that drunk...so this is my take and it is in the middle of sunshine pumper and jump off the ledge:
Arkansas State is a weak ass team. Auburn played Arkansas State like they were a weak ass team. In the first half, defensively, Auburn played EXTREMELY vanilla. Extremely. We didn't blitz and we played very soft in the secondary. We did that throughout the first half and up until Arkansas State score a TD to make it 35-24. After the Mario fumble, Auburn decided enough is enough and they started bringing pressure. Arkansas started that drive on about the 25 going in, and they finished that drive about 20 yards the wrong way. From that point on, they didn't get much else.
Now, I still think our defense isn't going to be great. But I don't think that the first half of the Arkansas State game is the reason for that. I just don't think we showed anything at all on defense. Our LB's are bad. Bynes is bad. Freeman is bad. And Bates will not wrap up to save his life. Our front 4 is good, not great, and our secondary has improved a ton since last year. Over all, we need Stevens back, and a few young LB's to step up, and I think we can be better defensively than we were last year.
We shall see...
^^This post^^
I watched Arky St score a TD b/c of that shit. I was drinking, but I am pretty damn sure that I was sober enough to recognize Bates is #25. It was in the 2nd and it was something like 2nd or 3rd and 10. I think they were somewhere about 12 to 14 yards out. Bates speared the RB with his shoulder and the dude bounced off of him and ran it in. Should have been no more than a 2 yard gain if he would have wrapped up, but nope it was a TD and added 12 to 14 more yards to the total. Troy Polamalu, Brian Urlacher, Rod Woodson, Ray Lewis, those guys can get away with just hitting someone (from time to time), but only b/c they are freaks of nature and are/were the best of the best. A sophomore in SEC play should be wrapping up and not head hunting. That will come in time.
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Those folks that are defending Arkansas State, are straight up wearing Orange and Blue glasses.
I am not saying this defense can't and won't improve, hell it might have been the scheming from the coaches, however giving up 26 points and 366 passing yards to them IMO is unacceptable and isn't going to cut it when we get to conference play.
As Snaggle and Sani said, this Thursday will be a better test.
Come on at the end of the year Arkansas State will be the best 4 win team in the country.
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Come on at the end of the year Arkansas State will be the best 4 win team in the country.
That was the best offense we will face this year.
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That was the best offense we will face this year.
That may or may not wind up being true. But, it was without a doubt the best one we've seen so far. Whoa!!!
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That may or may not wind up being true. But, it was without a doubt the best one we've seen so far. Whoa!!!
Unless it's not. But it could be.
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Unless it's not. But it could be.
I'm Godfather, and I like to party
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I'm Godfather, and I like to party
Hi, my name is AWK, and I like to party.
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Hi, my name is AWK, and I like to party.
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Nobody parties but me
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NO
Nobody parties but me
What the hell was that???
That escalated pretty quickly!
Did we do that???
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This is the part I am concerned about.
300 + yards to THIS ^^ team in the air. We most definitely DO need to unfuck our pass D.
On the other hand, Run D was pretty good.
HUSH! You'll get in trouble! The run D didn't have to defend many plays. Ark St. "ran" the ball via bubble screens.
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If they continue to bring Kodi in for the mild cat on 2nd and 3rd and short...I am going to be fucking pissed. Hopefully they just did this to give Kodi a TD in a game that was going to be won soundly. If this is the game plan going forward, I may drink myself into a coma...
Why? What's wrong with his performance in that role?
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I think 11th...
We were 11th or 12th in every meaningful catagory of Def. in the SEC. Since we play in the SEC, our national ranking means squat...our D sucked last year. I was hoping for improvement...
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Why? What's wrong with his performance in that role?
I don't like bringing Kodi in for short yardage situations. There is really no point in it. Also, there is really no point in bringing him in for the wild cat at all. What is the point of bringing him in when they guy that plays QB full time is bigger, faster, a better passer, and a better runner?
Someone really fast a quick like Trovon Reed (apparently) is...fine. It switches the look up a bit. But not someone that has less skill, quickness, or speed than the original QB.
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I don't like bringing Kodi in for short yardage situations. There is really no point in it. Also, there is really no point in bringing him in for the wild cat at all. What is the point of bringing him in when they guy that plays QB full time is bigger, faster, a better passer, and a better runner?
Someone really fast a quick like Trovon Reed (apparently) is...fine. It switches the look up a bit. But not someone that has less skill, quickness, or speed than the original QB.
You're like a little voice in my head.
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I don't like bringing Kodi in for short yardage situations. There is really no point in it. Also, there is really no point in bringing him in for the wild cat at all. What is the point of bringing him in when they guy that plays QB full time is bigger, faster, a better passer, and a better runner?
Someone really fast a quick like Trovon Reed (apparently) is...fine. It switches the look up a bit. But not someone that has less skill, quickness, or speed than the original QB.
My response would be that I'd like to see Cam run as a change of pace this year, and have his threat to run be something DC's have to fear, but not rely on it. I don't want him getting hurt running the ball. Kodi does a good job at the wildcat, and though he's not the threat to throw like Cam...he is a threat to throw. If one of the others that is faster than he can also complete a pass, then I'd be for that player running it. I don't want some awkwad RB throw from the wildcat where the RB making the throw hasn't a clue where the ball is going. I'm not that big on Kodi, but I don't really want Cam making a habit of banging it in the red zone. Which, by the way, they did run the wildcat with Cam at least once that I recall. Maybe twice.
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Since he lines up in the shotgun 90%+ of the time with every conceivable set and guys going in motion like gnats, isn't he pretty much in some form of the Mildcat anyway? I mean, the Mildcat has never been anything more than substituting for the QB. The only difference is the new QB, which has always been Kodi, is going to run most of the time. Occasionally, he'll pull up and throw a pass or he may hand it to the motion man flying by. How is this different from our regular offense?
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If they quite doing so then Auburn loses an element of surprise. Everybody knows you can't predict what play is in the making when Kodi comes in the game.
True enough. Kodi is a great athlete, and a true dual threat whenever he comes in on Wildcat. However, I don't think it would be a bad idea to try Dyer a few times in the Wildcat on a shotgun snap a little later on in the season. Sure, you're telegraphing that it's going to be a run play, but the kid has a great combination of skill, size, and speed. Let him read the gaps and give him that extra second to read where his hole will be.
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If they quite doing so then Auburn loses an element of surprise. Everybody knows you can't predict what play is in the making when Kodi comes in the game.
Auburn was tied for 3rd nationally in red zone offense in 2009, and we know what Auburn did in the red zone most of the time, as did most other teams, that's right, the wildcat...yet we scored at a 95% rate in the red zone in 2009. In 2008 Kodi accounted for 8 total TDs last year. Most of which were red zone I suspect. In 40 trips, we scored 38 times, 27 of which were TDs. I see no reason to mess what what obviously works, unless you know you can better it. Cam is a better athlete, faster, bigger, and passes better, but do the rewards outweigh the risks of getting him hurt in a goal line dive or a play like Kodi score on Saturday? Just some things to think about.
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I THINK....someone needs to teach big Cam the art of the baseball slide. I loved the hell out of seeing him get down prior to contact on more than one occasion Saturday. But the duck and dive means eventually he's going to take shot to the head or shoulder or separate a shoulder by just diving into the turf. This kid looks smooth and totally comfortable back there. I want him for all 12-13-14 games.
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I THINK....someone needs to teach big Cam the art of the baseball slide. I loved the hell out of seeing him get down prior to contact on more than one occasion Saturday. But the duck and dive means eventually he's going to take shot to the head or shoulder or separate a shoulder by just diving into the turf. This kid looks smooth and totally comfortable back there. I want him for all 12-13-14 games.
I'm heartend by the fact that he already knows to dive...a little coaching in the art of it will be even better. Agree, he needs to slide feet first, but it's clear they've been on his ass about not trying to run over folks, as he's plenty capable.
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I'm thinking there'll be enough Reed at the wildcat QB position to take Kodi out of the equation on all those opportunities. Just a hunch...
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I'm thinking there'll be enough Reed at the wildcat QB position to take Kodi out of the equation on all those opportunities. Just a hunch...
Based on? And why do you hate Kodi?
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Based on? And why do you hate Kodi?
1. Trooper Taylor and other contributors on other boards (Rivals, Scout...).
2. Quit reading so much negativity into my posts. I never said I hate Kodi.
3. I called it "a hunch". Means it's a guess, or opinion based on what I've seen and read.
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We be the crazee fans, you fuckers are delusioinal.
I live it. Been there, still do it.
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1. Trooper Taylor and other contributors on other boards (Rivals, Scout...).
2. Quit reading so much negativity into my posts. I never said I hate Kodi.
3. I called it "a hunch". Means it's a guess, or opinion based on what I've seen and read.
Don't much like your own cookin' do you? :poke:
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Don't much like your own cookin' do you? :poke:
Yeah. I question you like that all the time. I'm sure you can find many examples. Good point, Francis. :moon:
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Yeah. I question you like that all the time. I'm sure you can find many examples. Good point, Francis. :moon:
Yeah! Well you're a doo doo head!
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Yeah! Well you're a doo doo head!
My dad can beat up your dad. :bar:
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I can do anything you can do...only better.