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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Prowler on August 28, 2009, 09:07:54 PM
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Jr. Neil Caudle. I'm betting that Tyrik still won't redshirt.
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Josh Freeman, Tim Tebow, Pat Devlin, Neil Caudle, Jevan Snead, Matthew Stafford
Now that's an Elite 11 QB Camp, it also included Juice Williams, Jake Locker, Mitch Mustain, Cody Hawkins and Zach Frazer.
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One of these things isn't like the others.
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I have Tyrik does redshirt because I hope we don't have a reason to need him this year.
Also going to be neat to watch Ole Miss and see what Snead does this year.
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How is Pat Devlin doing?
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One of these things isn't like the others.
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Caudle's problem has obviously been his obsession with the John Parker Wilson hairdo. You can't concentrate on football when you're constantly workin' on the preppie whoosh.
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FUCK. The first true thing I have been pissed about. F U C K
If Caudle couldn't win the starting job...I don't want him on the field...FUCK...Im pissed...
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LMAO, I had to scroll up and see there was only 1 black guy. Dick is me but that's not what I meant.
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LMAO, I had to scroll up and see there was only 1 black guy. Dick is me but that's not what I meant.
That's funny as hell. I knew what you meant. But, I love the "That's racist" kid.
Still, what about Pat Devlin?
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LMAO, I had to scroll up and see there was only 1 black guy. Dick is me but that's not what I meant.
Oh, so then you were singling out the virgin next to the black guy?
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Oh, so then you were singling out the virgin next to the black guy?
LMMFAOSHICSBNT!
(That's right, I made up a new one)
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I'm pissed. I just read the Rivals article and you think the coaches were talking about the starter and how "tough" Caudle is. Look, he won it, I am proud of him...whatever. The fact is, this puts us in the same god damned predicument next year. I thought for sure that if Todd got the job, we were just setting up TR to learn from him and be the man next year. Putting TR behing Caudle is just going to make another cluster fuck for next year. Im pissed about this...
I don't say too muc about what the coaches say because they should know a hell of a lot more than me...but this just puzzles the fuck out of me. Is Todd that much better than Caudle??? If not, why let Todd start? Is Caudle that muc better that TR? If so, we are F U C K E D for years to come. Nothing against Caudle, but it is fairly obvious that the coaches don't have a whole lot of confidence in him. Why the fuck do you ut him above TR now? I don't get it...it's like a kick in the stomach for me. Not for this year...but because I can see the same fucking QB battle happen again next year.
If Todd plays the LARGE amjority of the snaps this year...which I figure he will, how can TR win the starting job over Caudle next year? Why the mother fuck not let him get snaps this year...i don't understand. This isn't good...at all...I was pumped about seeing TR pay this year and getting experience. Now I am hurt. There is nothing to lookk forward to even IF we get up by a couple of TD's...this sucks ass........
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And I know I misspelled a lot of shit last time but I am drunk and don't feel like going back and correcting...
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And I know I misspelled a lot of sh*t last time but I am drunk and don't feel like going back and correcting...
I am glad you followed up. I was about to say....
Bottom line though, you're right....big time. TR should be the #2 and get snaps to prepare him for next year.
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Last I heard, Rollison is still sick with the flu...possibly the porky flu. So, it could be that Caudle is the #2, for right now and that it could change a couple weeks into the season. IDK, I would've liked to have seen Rollison as the #2, let him play in some games...hopefully we won't NEED the backup QB unless it's for mop up duty. To tell you the truth, with Caudle's bad luck with injuries, Rollison could possibly be bumped up to #2 on that alone.
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Still, what about Pat Devlin?
Pat signed with Penn State, played for three years there before deciding to transfer last year. The Junior will be the starting QB for the Delaware Blue Hens this upcoming season.
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Listen to Prowler.
He's one of the few people in the world who has the uncany ability of taking what people say and extracting the actual meaning.
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My guess (and it's only a guess) is they will try to redshirt him. If something happens to the starter early in the year, they probably pull the redshirt and put him in front of Caudle. He may have more talent than Caudle, but sometimes it takes freshmen a while to get used to the college game.
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Which is why I would like to get his feet wet by playing this year...not starting next year with never having played a snap.
I feel like kaos with this...I am unwavering on my opinion on this and there is probably nothing anyone can say to make me feel otherwise...
I am not drunk anymore...but still highly pissed...
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Which is why I would like to get his feet wet by playing this year...not starting next year with never having played a snap.
I feel like kaos with this...I am unwavering on my opinion on this and there is probably nothing anyone can say to make me feel otherwise...
I am not drunk anymore...but still highly pissed...
Isn't Caudle a Jr.? I'd be okay with it if he plays well when and if he has to and we've got a smooth battle between him and Rollison. Who knows, if Todd stop, drops and rolls continuously like he's on fire all year, you might see what you want sooner than later.
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Which is why I would like to get his feet wet by playing this year...not starting next year with never having played a snap.
I feel like kaos with this...I am unwavering on my opinion on this and there is probably nothing anyone can say to make me feel otherwise...
I am not drunk anymore...but still highly pissed...
I really don't see the problem here.
If they intend to redshirt Rollison, he can't play anyway.
Caudle has put in his time. He's been a good soldier. He's done what he's supposed to do. Making him second string is a reward for that. I'm personally glad he's getting that respect.
Tuberville burned a redshirt year on Burns in a panic -- the first mistake in a string of errors that played a part in his failure to develop as a quarterback.
If Rollison redshirts, he can practice his ass off for an entire year. I don't really know that a few mop up snaps at the end of a game will do him that much good.
If Todd gets hurt (or just sucks monkey ass) then I think this situation gets scrambled again.
But for now? Caudle earned it.
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Isn't Caudle a Jr.? I'd be okay with it if he plays well when and if he has to and we've got a smooth battle between him and Rollison. Who knows, if Todd stop, drops and rolls continuously like he's on fire all year, you might see what you want sooner than later.
Exactly...we will have another QB battle next year. That sucks. I want someone to be the man for the next couple of years and take control of the team. My point is this...if Caudle wasn't good enough to beat Todd, how much better could he be than TR. If Caudle really is that much better than TR, than we are screwed. Caudle had chance after chance after chance to win the starting job...and he couldn't do it. If we now have to depend on him...because he is that much better than TR...we are hosed.
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Exactly...we will have another QB battle next year. That sucks. I want someone to be the man for the next couple of years and take control of the team. My point is this...if Caudle wasn't good enough to beat Todd, how much better could he be than TR. If Caudle really is that much better than TR, than we are screwed. Caudle had chance after chance after chance to win the starting job...and he couldn't do it. If we now have to depend on him...because he is that much better than TR...we are hosed.
I'm with ya, but... Maybe Caudle is better than TR right now? You've got to remember that there is a BIG adjustment on the mental side also, along with the talent. Caudle's been around longer, and maybe with some time, him and TR can really be a sweet tandom next year. With Todd being a Sr and winning the job this year, I think he gets his shot this year and then that's over. I just don't think we're in position YET to be where you want it. Even if I agree with you.
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I really don't see the problem here.
If they intend to redshirt Rollison, he can't play anyway.
Caudle has put in his time. He's been a good soldier. He's done what he's supposed to do. Making him second string is a reward for that. I'm personally glad he's getting that respect.
Tuberville burned a redshirt year on Burns in a panic -- the first mistake in a string of errors that played a part in his failure to develop as a quarterback.
If Rollison redshirts, he can practice his ass off for an entire year. I don't really know that a few mop up snaps at the end of a game will do him that much good.
If Todd gets hurt (or just sucks monkey ass) then I think this situation gets scrambled again.
But for now? Caudle earned it.
Playing experience is playing experience. I would rather a guy have taken snaps on the field, prepare for teams as if he was going to play both physically and mentally as he would have to do if he was the #2, study film and game plan on how to beat teams and read the defenses...and THEN start the next year. I can tell you from experience, you just don't mentally or physically prepare yourself to play during the week if you know that you are not going to be playing. PLUS, what kind of reps is TR going to get in practice? If he is not down with the scout team, he will be with the 3's? 3's...if there is one...get almost zero reps at practice. So if he is getting reps...it is down with the scout team, who is busy running the other teams plays...
I just don't like this move...
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Playing experience is playing experience. I would rather a guy have taken snaps on the field, prepare for teams as if he was going to play both physically and mentally as he would have to do if he was the #2, study film and game plan on how to beat teams and read the defenses...and THEN start the next year. I can tell you from experience, you just don't mentally or physically prepare yourself to play during the week if you know that you are not going to be playing. PLUS, what kind of reps is TR going to get in practice? If he is not down with the scout team, he will be with the 3's? 3's...if there is one...get almost zero reps at practice. So if he is getting reps...it is down with the scout team, who is busy running the other teams plays...
I just don't like this move...
I understand what you're saying.
But if the guy is going to redshirt, I don't want him taking any snaps. He loses a year of eligibility.
Realistically? What are the expectations this year anyway? Struggle through and maybe make a bowl game?
I'd rather have a healthy Rollison with a year of adjustment time than I would throw the guy out there and burn a redshirt year on it.
This is also where I go on record as saying Rollison will never be all that anyway. I don't expect him to ever be "the" guy. I have no real basis for that, only instinct. Been wrong before, but I can't remember when.
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This is also where I go on record as saying Rollison will never be all that anyway. I don't expect him to ever be "the" guy. I have no real basis for that, only instinct. Been wrong before, but I can't remember when.
May not be. From what little I have seen of him, the dude can ball.
If he is not the man...we are fucked...
And my expectations are to compete. Play hard every fucking game...for 60 minutes...and fucking get after peoples asses. It may not mean a 12 win season, but damnit, I want guys that have pride in wearing the jersey, and want to knock someones ass in the dirt...even if we are 5-6 and down by 30. The giving up bullshit that we did last year was too much for me to handle.
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And my expectations are to compete. Play hard every f*cking game...for 60 minutes...and f*cking get after peoples asses. It may not mean a 12 win season, but damnit, I want guys that have pride in wearing the jersey, and want to knock someones ass in the dirt...even if we are 5-6 and down by 30. The giving up bullpoop that we did last year was too much for me to handle.
Don't disagree here at all. My level of disgust from last season was ramped up because I did see my team quit. It quit in the second half of the WV game and never really tried (as a cohesive unit) again. Just going through the motions hoping it would be over soon. The look on Tuberville's face told me everything. He did not know how to pull that group together and the season was lost. I still think he could have fixed it long-term because ALL good coaches go through those valleys. Paterno sure has.
I do want this team to play hard from start to finish. They leave it all on the field and go down fighting for each other and I can sleep at night win or lose.
But two things play into that.
1) If they really hope to redshirt Rollison and stockpile for the next couple of years, playing him this year doesn't make sense. If the plan is not to play him...
2) Rewarding Neil Caudle is one way to build team loyalty. I don't agree with much of what Chizik does, but this (in my mind) is the honorable thing to do. It tells the rest of the team that if they pay their dues they'll get a fair and honest chance. And their work will be rewarded.
The flip side is that they're really already writing this season off, though...
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The flip side is that they're really already writing this season off, though...
This...
And another thing...we will be having this exact same conversation next year...
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This...
And another thing...we will be having this exact same conversation next year...
Kind of like the Franklin - Malzhan thing?
I'm probably the only Auburn person on the planet still skeptical of the Malzhan deal. I want a coach who looks at the personnel he has and devises a plan of attack built around their collective strengths. I don't want a coach with a "system" that he has to try to fit people into.
I think that bodes well for recruiting because in a year when the best athletes are receivers you can recruit. You can recruit when the best guys are linemen. Because YOU adapt and don't have to either find people who fit or have x,y,z skills.
Think about the Dye years. We were a running team. Then we were a passing team. Then we were a running team again. Then we were balanced. Then we sort of didn't do anything right. Dye put people in a position to succeed based on their abilities. He didn't have a "system" that forced them to be something they weren't.
I haven't said much because the leaders of the Franklin parade a year ago got out their floats and little go-karts and had a Malzhan parade this year. Didn't really want to start that fight and the Chizik hire was spectacularly bad enough that it carried us through without needing the additional fodder.
But I'm saying it now. We've established that Auburn isn't Ames (and it really doesn't make a fuck anyway, that's irrelevant) but that being the case we should also clearly establish that Auburn isn't Tulsa or Springdale, either. And that Felix and Darren aren't on our roster. Maybe the guy can do miracles. Hope he does. But I heard almost exactly the same horn-tooting last season.
BTW, how many of Malzhan's assistants did he bring with him? I want to make sure we have that clarified since it was the reason Franklin failed. How many? Zero? Yeah. That's what I thought.
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I really don't see the problem here.
If they intend to redshirt Rollison, he can't play anyway.
Caudle has put in his time. He's been a good soldier. He's done what he's supposed to do. Making him second string is a reward for that. I'm personally glad he's getting that respect.
Tuberville burned a redshirt year on Burns in a panic -- the first mistake in a string of errors that played a part in his failure to develop as a quarterback.
If Rollison redshirts, he can practice his ass off for an entire year. I don't really know that a few mop up snaps at the end of a game will do him that much good.
If Todd gets hurt (or just sucks monkey ass) then I think this situation gets scrambled again.
But for now? Caudle earned it.
I emphatically agree.
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I'm probably the only Auburn person on the planet still skeptical of the Malzhan deal. I want a coach who looks at the personnel he has and devises a plan of attack built around their collective strengths.
That's what you will get this year.
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That's what you will get this year.
Bingo. The wildcard is Chris Todd...period.
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That's what you will get this year.
I think long term.
This year?
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Kind of like the Franklin - Malzhan thing?
BTW, how many of Malzhan's assistants did he bring with him? I want to make sure we have that clarified since it was the reason Franklin failed. How many? Zero? Yeah. That's what I thought.
Coach Malzhan has assistants that know how to run his style of offense. It's a form of the spread, mixed in with a form of the power running game and the Wild Tiger packages. Coach Trooper and Coach Luper were the WR's and RB's coach at Oklahoma State, which runs a form of the Spread. Coach Grimes was the OL coach at Colorado, which ran Coach Hawkin's form of the Spread. So, it isn't the same situation that we had last year, where Coach Franklin basically had to teach the other coaches on how to teach their position.
Also, Coach Franklin never wanted to pound the rock...he probably doesn't know how to, he wanted to use his system and his system only, eventhough it wasn't working, he had DVDs that he was still trying to sell.
To compare Coach Malzhan to Coach Franklin is like trying to compare a fresh apple to a steaming pile of dog sheet.
Coach Malzhan coaches his QBs, he's on the field with them, if they make a mistake he tells them what they did wrong and how to correct it...then they run the same play again, he's going to be on the sidelines during the games, so that he can look in his QB's eyes and help them, if need be.
Coach Franklin stood off to the side during practices, if the QBs made a mistake....oh well, onto the next play. The QBs had to learn on their own on what they did wrong and how to correct it. He was on the sidelines during some games, but stated that he liked being in the press box so he could see the whole field...and probably so that he could sneak some Jim & Coke. But while he was on the sidelines, I never saw him talk to the QBs when they made mistakes after mistakes.
During their off periods, Coach Malzhan stated that he would be with his family....Coach Franklin, stated that he'd like to be in a bar away from the media....probably with his friends, the three Js.
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:bs: on your entire post.
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:bs: on your entire post.
It isn't Bullsh1t if its all true....and all of that was the truth.
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I think there's definitely something to the fact that Franklin did not bring his assisatnts, nor did he get involved with hands-on coaching (According to media reports) until it was too late. I'm ceratinly no expert in the area of coaching or teaching offensive/defensive schemes, but I wouldn't imagine there's that much variance in the way you coach a position when it comes to a spread offense. Meaning, if you run the spread, your linemen will most likely be blocking a certain way for passing plays and a particular way for running plays. The OC will have the play book telling the WR's where he wants them lined up and how the patterns will be run. The offensive line coach, who has coached spread offense blocking, will teach the guys how to handle their assignments and the receivers coach, who has coached a spread offense too, will work with the OC and study the playbook to understand how things are to be done...and he will coach it that way.
Franklin didn't have that...nor did he get involved one on one. Malzahn has that. The guys he's working with all have run the spread. It should be as simple as Grimes and Taylor saying, "Give me the play book and tell me how you want it done" Franklin didn't have it, nor was it demanded of the assistants.....FAIL!!!
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nor did he get involved with hands-on coaching (According to media reports) until it was too late.
I just got back from the skreets. They told me that Franklin was afraid he would get his melon cracked if he went "hands on coaching."
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I just got back from the skreets. They told me that Franklin was afraid he would get his melon cracked if he went "hands on coaching."
that might explain the nice shiner that he sported.
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I see that I'm obviously in the minority, but I see this as a very good thing. I don't care how good Rollison was in High School, nor do I care how great he has been doing this fall against a "thud pace" defense. A true Freshman not named Tebow is not ready for SEC play. Hell, even Tebow just came in for a special running package...they didn't even trust his decision making ability as a true Freshman.
Also, next season, there needs to be an upperclassman with some game experience to go along with Trotter, Moseley and Rollison IMO. That's when the real battle begins...
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I think there's definitely something to the fact that Franklin did not bring his assisatnts, nor did he get involved with hands-on coaching (According to media reports) until it was too late. I'm ceratinly no expert in the area of coaching or teaching offensive/defensive schemes, but I wouldn't imagine there's that much variance in the way you coach a position when it comes to a spread offense. Meaning, if you run the spread, your linemen will most likely be blocking a certain way for passing plays and a particular way for running plays. The OC will have the play book telling the WR's where he wants them lined up and how the patterns will be run. The offensive line coach, who has coached spread offense blocking, will teach the guys how to handle their assignments and the receivers coach, who has coached a spread offense too, will work with the OC and study the playbook to understand how things are to be done...and he will coach it that way.
Franklin didn't have that...nor did he get involved one on one. Malzahn has that. The guys he's working with all have run the spread. It should be as simple as Grimes and Taylor saying, "Give me the play book and tell me how you want it done" Franklin didn't have it, nor was it demanded of the assistants.....FAIL!!!
GOT to call utter BS on the highlighted portion.
How many of "his" assistants did Al Borges bring with him? Bobby Petrino?
How many did Norm Chow take when he changed schools?
What about Borges going to San Diego? Surely he took some of his assistants with him there.
I hate to be a jackass about it, but that's the biggest load of bullshit that's been circulating on this board for months. COORDINATORS DO NOT GET TO 'TAKE THEIR ASSISTANTS' WITH THEM. That's not how it's done.
When Saban fired Private Applejack and hired whoever the fuck they have now, how many of his assistants did he bring with him? Answer? Zero.
When Meyer hired Mullen, how many did he bring? Answer? None.
There were a shitload of things wrong last season. Franklin's dumb ass not getting to bring "his" assistants is not one of them because that's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever how it's done.
As for the rest? I'd like for you to go back and read some of the bullshit from last season about how involved Franklin was and how he was actually coaching on the field, etc., etc., etc. The same people now who are ripping him a new asshole were licking said asshole at this time last season for all the things they now say he wasn't doing.
It's utterly ridiculous.
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It isn't Bullsh1t if its all true....and all of that was the truth.
Every bit of it was bullshit Prowler. Every last drop.
And it's the exact opposite of what you were saying even up until Franklin was fired.
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Every bit of it was bullpoop Prowler. Every last drop.
And it's the exact opposite of what you were saying even up until Franklin was fired.
You are so fukin' retarded.....arguing just to argue. :thumbsup:
Show me and everyone here where I said that Coach Franklin was coaching on the field, that he's involved with all of the offensive play calling during practices, and that he's not an alcoholic.....
Here's something for you to wrap your feeble little mind around, everyone here that was saying that Coach Franklin was a great coordinator, assumed that if something wasn't working that he would make a change in his play calling.....that's what most coordinators do, even the not so good ones, but not Coach Franklin. He would continue to make fuked up calls after fuked up calls, game after game, then he'd tell everyone how stupid he was game after game. I told a few people, after he stated how stupid his calls were, for the second week in a row, after the Vanderbilt game, that Coach Franklin was going to be fired (I figured that it would've been done after the season). I realized at that point that he needed to be fired along with three other offensive assistants, Nall (if we were going to continue with the Spread style offenses), Knox, and Ensminger.
But back on the topic, I think Caudle deserves the spot as the #2 QB. I just hope that he doesn't have to play out of necessity.
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You are so fukin' retarded.....arguing just to argue.
Show me and everyone here where I said that Coach Franklin was coaching on the field, that he's involved with all of the offensive play calling during practices, and that he's not an alcoholic.....
Show me where you ever actually took a personal stand and said anything that was an honest original thought.
Cut n paste or hint that you were given
inside information etc etc etc.... that's the way you work. This season works out then you link to all the good things you ever said about them, they go tits up as anyone who understands football expects then you point out how you daid they might be good but you never predicted it.
Change your name from prowler to spineless.
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Show me where you ever actually took a personal stand and said anything that was an honest original thought.
Cut n paste or hint that you were given
inside information etc etc etc.... that's the way you work. This season works out then you link to all the good things you ever said about them, they go tits up as anyone who understands football expects then you point out how you daid they might be good but you never predicted it.
Change your name from prowler to spineless.
That's what everyone have come to expect from someone as stupid as yourself. You don't just come out and state that you think that they're not going to have that good of a season or the season might end up looking like it did last year...No, you state that you think Auburn's going to go "tits up" and that everyone who doesn't think so, obviously doesn't understand football. You're absolutely wrong, not with how you feel...because that's how you feel, you may be right or you may be wrong, but that's just how you feel. But to come out and belittle everyone else because they think differently than you do, is what's wrong. I'll say this again to you, you need to open your fukin' mind and take a long hard look at the coaches that Coach Chizik has brought on board. You also need to take that long hard look without your "Coach Chizik is a piece of shit glasses", that's the only why that one can make a true evaluation....on anything, and that's being completely unbiased.
I stand by my fukin' words. Auburn's going to go (7-5) or (8-4), barring key injuries of course.
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You are so fukin' retarded.....arguing just to argue. :thumbsup:
Show me and everyone here where I said that Coach Franklin was coaching on the field, that he's involved with all of the offensive play calling during practices, and that he's not an alcoholic.....
Here's something for you to wrap your feeble little mind around, everyone here that was saying that Coach Franklin was a great coordinator, assumed that if something wasn't working that he would make a change in his play calling.....that's what most coordinators do, even the not so good ones, but not Coach Franklin. He would continue to make fuked up calls after fuked up calls, game after game, then he'd tell everyone how stupid he was game after game. I told a few people, after he stated how stupid his calls were, for the second week in a row, after the Vanderbilt game, that Coach Franklin was going to be fired (I figured that it would've been done after the season). I realized at that point that he needed to be fired along with three other offensive assistants, Nall (if we were going to continue with the Spread style offenses), Knox, and Ensminger.
But back on the topic, I think Caudle deserves the spot as the #2 QB. I just hope that he doesn't have to play out of necessity.
In direct contrast to what you said up until he was fired and even then some afterward.
I was looking for something else and went back and read all that crap a few days ago. It's uncanny how you made the same exact arguments a year ago.
You're like Shane from Centerpoint. Say the same thing over and over and over and one day you'll luck into getting it right and then you can congratulate yourself on your brilliance.
But whatever. All that crap you posted about knowing he was drinking and all that other unsubstantiated garbage. How about digging back a few months and see how silly you look now.
Maybe YOU forget what you said. Others -- me included -- don't.
Think about it, Prowler, how many times in the last six months have you made the statment "show me where I said..." Do you really think that many people are just making shit up? No. You say it. And then you don't back it up when you're wrong. You run away from it like it was on fire and had the herpes growing out of its ass.
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Think about it, Prowler, how many times in the last six months have you made the statment "show me where I said..." Do you really think that many people are just making shit up? No. You say it. And then you don't back it up when you're wrong. You run away from it like it was on fire and had the herpes growing out of its ass.
I have to say, the burden of proof lies on the person claiming they know he said a particular thing to link to that particular quote.
He can't "back up" that he didn't say anything.
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In direct contrast to what you said up until he was fired and even then some afterward.
I was looking for something else and went back and read all that crap a few days ago. It's uncanny how you made the same exact arguments a year ago.
You're like Shane from Centerpoint. Say the same thing over and over and over and one day you'll luck into getting it right and then you can congratulate yourself on your brilliance.
But whatever. All that crap you posted about knowing he was drinking and all that other unsubstantiated garbage. How about digging back a few months and see how silly you look now.
Maybe YOU forget what you said. Others -- me included -- don't.
Think about it, Prowler, how many times in the last six months have you made the statment "show me where I said..." Do you really think that many people are just making poop up? No. You say it. And then you don't back it up when you're wrong. You run away from it like it was on fire and had the herpes growing out of its ass.
Looks like more :bs: from the peanut gallery.
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I have to say, the burden of proof lies on the person claiming they know he said a particular thing to link to that particular quote.
He can't "back up" that he didn't say anything.
Do you really want to go down that road again?
Everybody in the known universe knows what he said. Do you seriously want to dredge it all back out?
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Looks like more :bs: from the peanut gallery.
Yep. What you post is BS. And worth peanuts.
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Yep. What you post is BS. And worth peanuts.
Wow, snappy come back.
For your information, the people that I've commented back on with the "show me where I've stated that" is you and rws. And, on every occasion, you can't back up the "You stated...." so you just run away from the statement and responed with....."you know what you said, do you want me to reopen that back up?" You run away from it like it was on fire and had the herpes growing out of its ass.
So, kaos, show me and everyone else where "I" stated that Coach Franklin didn't look like an alcoholic or even made any mention of him being an alcoholic for that matter. Show me were "I" stated that Coach Franklin was doing a wonderful job coaching the QBs on the field during practices.
I was looking for something else and went back and read all that crap a few days ago. It's uncanny how you made the same exact arguments a year ago.
Maybe YOU forget what you said. Others -- me included -- don't.
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So....since you went back and read all that crap a few days ago, it shouldn't be too hard to pull back up. And, if you can't pull it back up, then "others" should be able to.
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Wow, snappy come back.
For your information, the people that I've commented back on with the "show me where I've stated that" is you and rws. And, on every occasion, you can't back up the "You stated...." so you just run away from the statement and responed with....."you know what you said, do you want me to reopen that back up?" You run away from it like it was on fire and had the herpes growing out of its ass.
And anybody else who's called you on your bullshit.
And yeah, you've been called on it and it's been linked and thrown right back in your face. And you don't do anything but continue.
I know what you've said. So do most people. If you want to pretend as if you never did or spin it some fantasmical way, that's all you, bud.
I'm not going to waste my Sunday afternoon slogging through your madness.
We've done this to death, really. And the battle lines haven't really changed.
On one side there's me and some mostly silent snipers.
On the Chizik might be great side are
Chizad, Prowler, Chopper and occasionally wes.
Everybody else sort of doesn't give a fuck.
You're not going to change my mind by talking about how great he's doing or whatever the fuck for two reasons:
1) You all did the same thing a year ago and that didn't work out very well at all, so I don't really have a reason to believe you're going to be any more right this time, and;
2) I can see and hear Chizik myself. I took the time to go back and watch every pre and post-game interview with the guy when he was at ISU I could find. And I see and hear virtually the same things ver-fukkin-batim from him today. Right down to the patented "we did some good things and some bad things" line he uses after practices. It's in the blueprint, you know.
We've got less than one week until the season starts. My mind isn't going to be changed between now and then and neither is yours.
I'm done talking about Chizik until he does something else worth talking about.
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Still waiting.....
Where does this have anything to do with Coach Chizik and Battle Lines? I'm asking you to back up what you state. Show me and everyone here were, what "I" stated in my previous post about Coach FRANKLIN is different from my posts of a year ago. Go ahead, like I said earlier, it should be easy to find it, since you were reading all about it a few days ago.
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Still waiting.....
Where does this have anything to do with Coach Chizik and Battle Lines? I'm asking you to back up what you state. Show me and everyone here were, what "I" stated in my previous post about Coach FRANKLIN is different from my posts of a year ago. Go ahead, like I said earlier, it should be easy to find it, since you were reading all about it a few days ago.
It's the same shit, Prowler. You made this exact same fucking post somewhere back there.
YOU go read the fucking old threads if you want to. They made my eyes bleed.
I just finished saying this was a waste of time. You don't take responsibility for what you say, so what's the point?
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WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SECOND STRING QB??? FUCK...STOP ARGUEING ABOUT THE SAME SHIT EVERY GOD DAMNED THREAD!!!!
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Kaos was the one that started it by calling me out.
Listen to Prowler.
He's one of the few people in the world who has the uncany ability of taking what people say and extracting the actual meaning.
Then he continued with it by stating something about it being like the Coach Franklin deal of a year ago.
Kind of like the Franklin - Malzhan thing?
BTW, how many of Malzhan's assistants did he bring with him? I want to make sure we have that clarified since it was the reason Franklin failed. How many? Zero? Yeah. That's what I thought.
That's when I decided to show him how there is a difference in Coach Malzahn and Coach Franklin. Then he decided go get his widdle fukin' panties in a wad and claim that everything that I stated about Coach Franklin (Drinking, not coaching on the field, not having coaches around him that know how to run what he wanted to run) was different from a year ago.
So, I posted for him to show me where I stated it. Then he stated that he'd read it a few days ago and that it was different than what I'm saying now, I called BS and I posted that it would be easy for him to prove me wrong, since he'd read it only a few days ago. This is what he responded with....."you go read it yourself, my eyes bleed..."
I was guessing that everyone was through talking about my topic of Caudle being named #2. See, WE, I started the topic, kaos derailed it and I finished it.
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WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SECOND STRING QB??? FUCK...STOP ARGUEING ABOUT THE SAME SHIT EVERY GOD DAMNED THREAD!!!!
I propose creating a new subforum for these exchanges. How about the "Haley Center Bathroom"?
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I'd rather leave it out in the open so everyone can see kao's face....
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WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SECOND STRING QB??? FUCK...STOP ARGUEING ABOUT THE SAME SHIT EVERY GOD DAMNED THREAD!!!!
I second the motion.
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I'd rather leave it out in the open so everyone can see kao's face....
Maybe everyone doesn't want to see it. Just as the HC bathrooms served as the social place for the AWK types, this proposed subforum could be the place for you guys to take turns pushing each other's pooh, figuratively. We're not saying you can't do it, just go do it in semi-private, where it's just the two of you (and maybe Sani watching from the next stall). Of course, the fact that you want to flaunt yourself openly in front of good decent normal folk us just furthers the analogy.
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WHAT THE MOTHER phuk DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SECOND STRING QB??? phuk...STOP ARGUEING ABOUT THE SAME poop EVERY GOD DAMNED THREAD!!!!
Did ya see where I said I was done? I'm done.
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Kaos was the one that started it by calling me out.
Then he continued with it by stating something about it being like the Coach Franklin deal of a year ago.
That's when I decided to show him how there is a difference in Coach Malzahn and Coach Franklin. Then he decided go get his widdle fukin' panties in a wad and claim that everything that I stated about Coach Franklin (Drinking, not coaching on the field, not having coaches around him that know how to run what he wanted to run) was different from a year ago.
So, I posted for him to show me where I stated it. Then he stated that he'd read it a few days ago and that it was different than what I'm saying now, I called BS and I posted that it would be easy for him to prove me wrong, since he'd read it only a few days ago. This is what he responded with....."you go read it yourself, my eyes bleed..."
I was guessing that everyone was through talking about my topic of Caudle being named #2. See, WE, I started the topic, kaos derailed it and I finished it.
You could have saved yourself a LOT of typing if you'd just said
A) Prowler can't take a joke, and
B) Prowler missed the point and started ranting about things that had nothing to do with the question posed.
Question remains: How many assistants do offensive coordinators typically "bring" with them when they move to a new school. I have a hint for you. It's the same as the number of ... oh, nevermind. The answer is zero. That has nothing to do with Franklin being a shitty coach or being drunk or all of the other ridiculous rant that followed. But thanks anyway. The "derailment" as it were, Prowler, was mostly yours.
Not much else to say about Caudle, really. He's got a chance, he earned a place. I'm glad for the guy.
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Okay..
Now I'm done.
I blame Jay Jacobs. He's a divisive mother fucker.
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I personally thought this quote from Prowler was slightly amusing:
Guys....like it was stated earlier....The Final calls go through CTT, meaning if we have the lead by 14 or more, we'll run. As for the Spread Offense, I'm all for it... If you all don't like having an offense that is capable of putting up some Serious Points, then ya might need switch to watching Baseball or Hockey. Because it's coming, and no, it will Not be the Texas Tech/Florida type spread that Coach Franklin will install... It'll be a Hybrid of Auburn's Strength (Strong Running) and the Hal Mumme Spread.
From this point on, if we do actually hire Coach Franklin, the offense will be called..
The Sledgehammer Spread
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Just a side note to get somewhat back on track. I read a write up this morning in our local litter box liner on Chris Todd. The article spent a good bit of time on Malzahn and his career as an OC. One thing that stood out, and I believe is a question asked recently on this board, is that Malzahn said he looks at his personnel and their strengths and weaknesses before implementing his offense.
When you have McFadden and Jones, you pound the ball. When your QB is Chris Todd, you ball up in the fetal position and die.
I keed.
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Just a side note to get somewhat back on track. I read a write up this morning in our local litter box liner on Chris Todd. The article spent a good bit of time on Malzahn and his career as an OC. One thing that stood out, and I believe is a question asked recently on this board, is that Malzahn said he looks at his personnel and their strengths and weaknesses before implementing his offense.
When you have McFadden and Jones, you pound the ball. When your QB is Chris Todd, you ball up in the fetal position and die.
I keed.
I rofl'ed.
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When you have McFadden and Jones, you pound the ball. When your QB is Chris Todd, you ball up in the fetal position and die.
I keed.
I think I just leaked some pee onto myself.
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And after looking at the strengths he implements "his" offense anyway? I don't really get that comment.
What if you really don't have any wildcats and your team is more of a cougar or gorilla type? What then?
For the record? I will skull punch with an industrial sized can of baked beans the first person who tries to use the term "Wild Tiger". That sounds so stupid to me.
Just a side note to get somewhat back on track. I read a write up this morning in our local litter box liner on Chris Todd. The article spent a good bit of time on Malzahn and his career as an OC. One thing that stood out, and I believe is a question asked recently on this board, is that Malzahn said he looks at his personnel and their strengths and weaknesses before implementing his offense.
When you have McFadden and Jones, you pound the ball. When your QB is Chris Todd, you ball up in the fetal position and die.
I keed.
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By Andrew Gribble
Auburn University Beat Reporter
Published: August 30, 2009
AUBURN — Chris Todd held an impromptu press conference early last week and delivered a startling bit of information.
“Basically, they saw so much potential with my athletic ability that I wasn’t fully being utilized at quarterback,” Todd said in response to the “rumor” that he would be following Kodi Burns in a transition to wide receiver.
Todd was joking, of course — something he’s been doing quite a bit during his final preseason with the Tigers.
Todd’s athleticism obviously doesn’t stack up with Auburn’s wideouts, Burns or a number of college quarterbacks.
But it’s nothing to scoff at, teammates say.
“He can move around the pocket pretty well,” cornerback Walt McFadden said. “He knows when it’s time to run and he knows he’s not the fastest guy on the field, but he can get us a first down if he has to.”
Todd, who gained 47 yards on the ground last season but lost 110 when sacks are counted, doesn’t need to be speedy in Gus Malzahn’s offense. He just might need to be a force near the goal line.
In Malzahn’s first year as a college coordinator at Arkansas, quarterbacks Mitch Mustain and Casey Dick each finished with negative rushing yards. In fairness, Darren McFadden and Felix Jones did enough on the ground that season (2,815 combined rushing yards) for an entire conference.
In 2007 at Tulsa, Malzahn’s first year with the Golden Hurricane, quarterback Paul Smith finished with just 73 net yards but had 12 rushing touchdowns. In 2008, David Johnson had 186 rushing yards and three touchdowns.
Malzahn has repeatedly said that he evaluates his personnel before drawing up a gameplan for the season. That certainly includes designing — or not — running plays for the conductor of his offense.
“I think you have to have a quarterback who can make plays when things break down,” Malzahn said. “That doesn’t always mean you have to have great mobility, but you have to be a good decision-maker. We have to put him situations where he can be successful, too.”
Malzahn’s been putting Todd and the other Auburn quarterbacks through drills that simulate those undesired, but often frequent, broken plays. He’s not looking for anything fancy from Todd in those situations — just ball control.
“You get more comfortable the more you do it,” Todd said. “The biggest thing is taking care of the ball, no matter what you’re doing. Really, that’s it. Knowing where to fill in and where to squeeze into gaps and reading the defense, you get more comfortable every day.”
In just a short time, though, Todd has turned some heads with some of that untapped potential he was joking about.
He’s certainly no Burns. But he’s got enough gas to get by some of the, well, slower-footed defenders.
“I’ve seen him get away from big Jake (Ricks) one time,” McFadden said. “The inside guys, you know. I’m not saying he got away from everybody but he’s capable of getting us three, four yards if needed.
“If he has to take a hit, he’ll go in there and throw is head in even if he might come out with a concussion. He’s going to do it for the team.”
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For the record? I will skull punch with an industrial sized can of baked beans the first person who tries to use the term "Wild Tiger". That sounds so stupid to me.
Agreeance. From this point forward I will refer to it as the Thundercat formation.
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Agreeance. From this point forward I will refer to it as the Thundercat formation.
THUNDERCATS.....ASSEMBLE
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THUNDERCATS.....ASSEMBLE
Snarf...Snarf
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http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2009/08/gus_malzahn_ready_to_show_off.html (http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2009/08/gus_malzahn_ready_to_show_off.html)
Gus Malzahn ready to show off his Auburn offense
Posted by Charles Goldberg -- Birmingham News August 31, 2009 8:55 AM
Categories: Football, Video
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Gus Malzahn will unveil his Auburn offense Saturday
What's Gus Malzhan's offense really like? We take a look at Auburn's offensive coordinator, with an assist from some players and the calls we made to other coaches. Below, we have included a video the offense he ran at Tulsa...
AUBURN -- Tight end Tommy Trott promises Auburn's offense this season will be different than the Tigers' offense last year.
That collective "whew!" you heard just came from the locker room, the practice field, meeting rooms, down the street, uptown and everywhere else where Auburn people gather.
Last season's flirtation with the Tony Franklin System turned into an unmitigated offensive disaster, but the new guy on the block has been given the leeway to succeed.
Offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn has already won over his other coaches and the players, and that's something Franklin, the 2008 coordinator, didn't do.
Trott says the new offense is more suited to the Auburn mystique, anyway, because it's about running straight ahead, sometimes with two backs.
Running back Ben Tate says he can't wait to participate.
"There's a lot more North-South running," Tate said. "Even in the passing game we're taking more shots down the field."
That's how we begin today's story in The Birmingham News. Read the rest of it here. Find the "2" and "3" to read the whole thing.
Here's a look at Malzahn's offense, when he was at Tulsa last season, thanks to this video we found on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au25CyIul28 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au25CyIul28)
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Not to get too technical, but the first ten plays I watched?
1) One yard gain
2) No gain after running around the world
3) Slow-developing reverse. Will get eaten alive by SEC speed
4) Another slow-developing reverse to be devoured
5) Long QB run. Todd won't be doing those because he's slow and there isn't a team in the SEC with the lack of quickness or anticipation Ball State displayed there.
6) Wide east-west run. I've seen that before. It's the one where Ben Tate gets tumbled two yards behind the line of scrimmage as he drifts down the line
7) Another QB run.
8) A delayed handoff. We busted one or two of those last year.
9) An option pitch deep, slow to develop. This will be broken into a million pieces by SEC-caliber defenses.
10) Another wide run netting a few yards.
I turned it off.
Maybe the guy really did invent sliced bread and stripper poles, but I didn't see anything there that had me overjoyed.
I think we'll be better than with Franklin, but that's not going to require much.
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Something I find interesting is Tulsa plays alot of shitty defenses.
2008
UAB 106th (W)
North Texas 119th (W)
New Mexico 45th (W)
Central Arkansas UNK (W)
Rice 111th (W)
SMU 118th (W)
UTEP 115th (W)
UCF 43rd (W)
Arkansas 72nd (L)
Houston 100th (L)
Tulane 84th (W)
Marshall 102nd (W)
East Carolina 41st (L)
Ball State 69th (W)
We shall see how Malzahn adjusts to the SEC when he is given the keys. That highlight video looked like the same 4 plays over and over and over.
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We shall see how Malzahn adjusts to the SEC when he is given the keys. That highlight video looked like the same 4 plays over and over and over.
What was Arkansas's offense like his FIRST year as a college coach, let alone first year in the SEC? Just curious, since you're into looking up all the stats.
Thanks.
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What was Arkansas's offense like his FIRST year as a college coach, let alone first year in the SEC? Just curious, since you're into looking up all the stats.
Thanks.
Would you guys quit trying to compare stuff, its apples to oranges. RWS is just going to come back with Felix and McFadden or some other argument. Its idiotic, you can't compare Tulsa to Auburn, Arkansas of 3 years ago to Auburn or Tulsa. Lets just see how the man does with the talent he has at Auburn.
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Not to get too technical, but the first ten plays I watched?
1) One yard gain
2) No gain after running around the world
3) Slow-developing reverse. Will get eaten alive by SEC speed
4) Another slow-developing reverse to be devoured
5) Long QB run. Todd won't be doing those because he's slow and there isn't a team in the SEC with the lack of quickness or anticipation Ball State displayed there.
6) Wide east-west run. I've seen that before. It's the one where Ben Tate gets tumbled two yards behind the line of scrimmage as he drifts down the line
7) Another QB run.
8) A delayed handoff. We busted one or two of those last year.
9) An option pitch deep, slow to develop. This will be broken into a million pieces by SEC-caliber defenses.
10) Another wide run netting a few yards.
I turned it off.
Maybe the guy really did invent sliced bread and stripper poles, but I didn't see anything there that had me overjoyed.
I think we'll be better than with Franklin, but that's not going to require much.
I turned it off about the same time. Not really sure what this video was supposed to show. I hope he doesn't run too many of the plays I just saw of the first minute of that video.
We shall see...
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Would you guys quit trying to compare stuff, its apples to oranges. RWS is just going to come back with Felix and McFadden or some other argument. Its idiotic, you can't compare Tulsa to Auburn, Arkansas of 3 years ago to Auburn or Tulsa. Lets just see how the man does with the talent he has at Auburn.
It was kind of my point. Tulsa, Arkansas and Auburn are ALL different, so looking at defensive ranks is kind of pointless. Until he does something at Auburn, there is no indicator, or basis for debate.
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What was Arkansas's offense like his FIRST year as a college coach, let alone first year in the SEC? Just curious, since you're into looking up all the stats.
Thanks.
Oh, you mean the year Nutt said Malzahn's offense would not work in the SEC and snatched the keys away? Their offense was the same way it was even AFTER Malzahn left. It also improved, for that matter. So, whats your point? I don't see a D-Mac or Felix Jones on AU's roster. Really, when you look at how the offense ran at Arkansas when Malzahn was there, and the year after, there really isn't that much difference. My point is, Malzahn isn't going to have Chizik meddling in the offense and controlling it the way Nutt did. He isn't going to have a co-OC like he did at Tulsa. He's going to be all on his own at Auburn. Like I've said in different threads, Malzahn might light the world on fire. Who knows. If I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting that. Its just my opinion that I won't be wrong. I'm willing to let him prove himself. I think by the middle of the season we will have a little better idea how things are going to work out.
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Oh, you mean the year Nutt said Malzahn's offense would not work in the SEC and snatched the keys away? Their offense was the same way it was even AFTER Malzahn left. It also improved, for that matter. So, whats your point? I don't see a D-Mac or Felix Jones on AU's roster. Really, when you look at how the offense ran at Arkansas when Malzahn was there, and the year after, there really isn't that much difference. My point is, Malzahn isn't going to have Chizik meddling in the offense and controlling it the way Nutt did. He isn't going to have a co-OC like he did at Tulsa. He's going to be all on his own at Auburn. Like I've said in different threads, Malzahn might light the world on fire. Who knows. If I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting that. Its just my opinion that I won't be wrong. I'm willing to let him prove himself. I think by the middle of the season we will have a little better idea how things are going to work out.
I am a genius!
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I am a genius!
You called it, and he didn't dissapoint.
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You called it, and he didn't dissapoint.
Come on, it wouldn't be nearly as fun around here if I did, now would it?
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I am a genius!
You are a regular modern day Nostradumbass!
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Come on, it wouldn't be nearly as fun around here if I did, now would it?
Threads would be shorter, i'll give you that.
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BTW how is gymnastics going?
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I really don't see the problem here.
If they intend to redshirt Rollison, he can't play anyway.
Caudle has put in his time. He's been a good soldier. He's done what he's supposed to do. Making him second string is a reward for that. I'm personally glad he's getting that respect.
Tuberville burned a redshirt year on Burns in a panic -- the first mistake in a string of errors that played a part in his failure to develop as a quarterback.
If Rollison redshirts, he can practice his ass off for an entire year. I don't really know that a few mop up snaps at the end of a game will do him that much good.
If Todd gets hurt (or just sucks monkey ass) then I think this situation gets scrambled again.
But for now? Caudle earned it.
I agree. Whether or not TR is 2 or 3 does not make a hill of beans unless CT gets hurt or cannot perform. I don't think this coaching staff is willing to put the offense on any QB right now. So they go with the one that has the best grasp of the offense mentally. So let's say TR red-shirts and Caudle is good enough to start next season. You still have THREE seasons with TR IF he can get the job done. Remember last season when many of you predicted KB would be great. A lot of things can happen in a season. B. Trotter is not going to go away. Is he that bad that we do not even mention his name any more? Save TR for the future. The poor handling of Burns should have at least taught us that much.
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I agree. Whether or not TR is 2 or 3 does not make a hill of beans unless CT gets hurt or cannot perform. I don't think this coaching staff is willing to put the offense on any QB right now. So they go with the one that has the best grasp of the offense mentally. So let's say TR red-shirts and Caudle is good enough to start next season. You still have THREE seasons with TR IF he can get the job done. Remember last season when many of you predicted KB would be great. A lot of things can happen in a season. B. Trotter is not going to go away. Is he that bad that we do not even mention his name any more? Save TR for the future. The poor handling of Burns should have at least taught us that much.
Trotter was hurt this year (knee). He'll be back and give TR and Caudle a good battle next year.
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Threads would be shorter, i'll give you that.
Don't bitch; I'm generating traffic. With the board now opened up, people don't want to see 1-2 page threads.
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Don't bitch; I'm generating traffic. With the board now opened up, people don't want to see 1-2 page threads.
Car wrecks generate traffic too. Seven page threads aren't good either if the sheer overwhelming stupidity of every post makes people's heads start exploding somewhere around page 4...
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Car wrecks generate traffic too. Seven page threads aren't good either if the sheer overwhelming stupidity of every post makes people's heads start exploding somewhere around page 4...
Now, depending on which threads we're talking about, you could be talking about me, Prowler, Chopper, or Kaos. Possibly War Eagle!!! as well, depending on how many drinks he has had.
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Now, depending on which threads we're talking about, you could be talking about me, Prowler, Chopper, or Kaos. Possibly War Eagle!!! as well, depending on how many drinks he has had.
Yes.
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Yes.
That hurts. I don't spew bullshit. I just call RWS out on his...
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That hurts. I don't spew bullpoop. I just call RWS out on his...
Same here. I'll add that I also call kaos out on his bullsh1t...and, that I only spread the Truth. Peace Out Bitches!
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On the Chizik might be great side are
Chizad, Prowler, Chopper and occasionally wes.
I think you're completely misunderstanding my position.
I have never asserted that Chizik might be great. My stance in these debates has always been defined by your position. You are so completely myopic in your opinion of Chizik that you are unable to acknowledge any positive moves he makes. I simply counter that in hopes that you might one day open your mind a bit. It's an exercise in futility, I know, but I try nonetheless.
My opinion is that Chizik was a puzzling hire, but it's done and we don't have any way of knowing how he'll do. He's hired a very good staff and has resources at his disposal that he has not heretofore enjoyed. He may be great, he may be shit. Time will tell.
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I think you're completely misunderstanding my position.
I have never asserted that Chizik might be great. My stance in these debates has always been defined by your position. You are so completely myopic in your opinion of Chizik that you are unable to acknowledge any positive moves he makes. I simply counter that in hopes that you might one day open your mind a bit. It's an exercise in futility, I know, but I try nonetheless.
My opinion is that Chizik was a puzzling hire, but it's done and we don't have any way of knowing how he'll do. He's hired a very good staff and has resources at his disposal that he has not heretofore enjoyed. He may be great, he may be poop. Time will tell.
This is not true. When he does something positive, I've acknowledged it. That acknowledgement generally flies right past because the chorus of "shit colored glasses" starts up usually without actually reading what I've said and also reading it expecting/looking for an anti-Chizik position where often there really isn't one.
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I think you're completely misunderstanding my position.
I have never asserted that Chizik might be great. My stance in these debates has always been defined by your position. You are so completely myopic in your opinion of Chizik that you are unable to acknowledge any positive moves he makes. I simply counter that in hopes that you might one day open your mind a bit. It's an exercise in futility, I know, but I try nonetheless.
My opinion is that Chizik was a puzzling hire, but it's done and we don't have any way of knowing how he'll do. He's hired a very good staff and has resources at his disposal that he has not heretofore enjoyed. He may be great, he may be shit. Time will tell.
This is exactly True.
This is not true. When he does something positive, I've acknowledged it. That acknowledgement generally flies right past because the chorus of "shit colored glasses" starts up usually without actually reading what I've said and also reading it expecting/looking for an anti-Chizik position where often there really isn't one.
Kaos, you have to admit, this is a stretch. Your "blueprint" comments alone fly in the face of this assertion.
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This is not true. When he does something positive, I've acknowledged it. That acknowledgement generally flies right past because the chorus of "shit colored glasses" starts up usually without actually reading what I've said and also reading it expecting/looking for an anti-Chizik position where often there really isn't one.
Any acknowledgment that you give is always handcuffed to an insult of some sort. Backhanded compliments aren't compliments at all.
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I think you're completely misunderstanding my position.
I have never asserted that Chizik might be great. My stance in these debates has always been defined by your position. You are so completely myopic in your opinion of Chizik that you are unable to acknowledge any positive moves he makes. I simply counter that in hopes that you might one day open your mind a bit. It's an exercise in futility, I know, but I try nonetheless.
My opinion is that Chizik was a puzzling hire, but it's done and we don't have any way of knowing how he'll do. He's hired a very good staff and has resources at his disposal that he has not heretofore enjoyed. He may be great, he may be shit. Time will tell.
I agree with this. I think certainly, Wes, Chop, and I, and possibly even Prowler fall under this same description.
Kaos is 10x more negative than any of us are positive (again, maybe with the exception of Prowler). And when we do point out the positives, we're labeled as "Chizdick sucking loons" painting turds gold and whatnot.
We wouldn't feel it necessary to bring light to the positive things he's done if you weren't so gung-ho about pointing out your perceived negatives.
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I agree with this. I think certainly, Wes, Chop, and I, and possibly even Prowler fall under this same description.
Kaos is 10x more negative than any of us are positive (again, maybe with the exception of Prowler). And when we do point out the positives, we're labeled as "Chiztool sucking loons" (not for six months. Did it really hurt that badly?) painting turds gold (when you stretch to find a positive just to have something positive to say and for no other reason, that's what it's called) and whatnot.
We wouldn't feel it necessary to bring light to the perceived positive things he's done if you weren't so gung-ho about pointing out your perceived negatives.
I fixed that for you.
What you call "negative" I call rational. I do not see it as negative or positive. It's the way I see things and is therefore neutral. I don't look for bad, I don't look for good I just call what I see what I see.
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What you call "negative" I call rational.
I think this is fair. Based on this though, I think it would also be fair to point out, that your "rational" thought process would probably be thought of as "negative" by 8/9 out of 10 people if a poll was taken.
I would say the same comparing it to the word "neutral" as well.
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I think this is fair. Based on this though, I think it would also be fair to point out, that your "rational" thought process would probably be thought of as "negative" by 8/9 out of 10 people if a poll was taken.
I would say the same comparing it to the word "neutral" as well.
I don't let others define me. I really don't care what "they" think. "They" are usually wrong.
And we've done that poll. It wasn't 90%, it wasn't 80%.