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Title: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 28, 2009, 04:23:45 PM
maybe Chizik isn't doing any better than Tubbs was at the end.  This is from both Rivals page, it's the top ten graphic on each of the teams front page.

Not to worry though, Perry's given the Auburn recruits 60 grillz each.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2554/3766119199_3719f6b8b6_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 28, 2009, 05:15:00 PM
I got nuthin'.

Oh wait...fuck you!  Doesn't dispute what you posted but it makes me feel better.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Kaos on July 28, 2009, 05:18:40 PM
Those guys in red are fags.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUChizad on July 28, 2009, 07:11:22 PM
An average Rivals Rating of 5.85 for the Tahd.

An average of 5.69 for Auburn.

And we have plenty of room in our signing class to make up ground.

The sky hasn't fallen just yet.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: The Prowler on July 28, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
Dang it...if only 5 of tho$e player$ could $omehow gain that extra .1 point.  I ju$t wonder what it i$ they could do to gain that extra "bump".
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 28, 2009, 07:55:28 PM
The sky hasn't fallen just yet.
Of course not, because you and Prowler will always come up with some stupid shit to validate your savior Chizik.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 28, 2009, 07:57:43 PM
Dang it...if only 5 of tho$e player$ could $omehow gain that extra .1 point.  I ju$t wonder what it i$ they could do to gain that extra "bump".
I could see a case for maybe Jawara White getting bumped up. But otherwise, I don't see a case to bump anybody else up. I'm sure Prowler gave Curry 20 grillz or some shit, but there isn't much to the class at this point.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on July 28, 2009, 08:26:38 PM
Of course not, because you and Prowler will always come up with some stupid shit to validate your savior Chizik.

Says the dumbass that called our class last year a "disaster" in mid-December....  and then couldn't find February on a map even when a helpful Chopper gave you link after link for calendar websites.

Chizad was right, and correctly stated, that...it's not over yet.  Nice snappity snap snarky reply though.  :vn:

Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUChizad on July 28, 2009, 08:28:46 PM
Of course not, because you and Prowler will always come up with some stupid shit to validate your savior Chizik.
Stupid shit?

0.16 average per recruit difference. I think right now you guys have the edge, for sure. Just saying your class is almost complete, and ours isn't.

I could see a case for maybe Jawara White getting bumped up. But otherwise, I don't see a case to bump anybody else up. I'm sure Prowler gave Curry 20 grillz or some shit, but there isn't much to the class at this point.
I think Kenneth Carter is vastly underrated as well.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 28, 2009, 08:29:58 PM
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Chizad was right, and correctly stated, that...it's not over yet.  Nice snappity snap snarky reply though.

gayest thing ever written on tigersx.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on July 28, 2009, 08:31:24 PM
gayest thing ever written on tigersx.

Only response warranted by such a gay statement... You can see the limp wrist when scissors said it....

AWK could tell ya.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 28, 2009, 08:42:06 PM
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Only response warranted by such a gay statement... You can see the limp wrist when scissors said it....

AWK could tell ya.

2nd gayest thing ever written on tigersx.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AWK on July 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
Only response warranted by such a gay statement... You can see the limp wrist when scissors said it....

AWK could tell ya.
I like to blow dudes after I watch Mamma Mia!  Fuck you Birmingham, I win.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 28, 2009, 08:55:11 PM
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I like to blow dudes after I watch Mamma Mia!  Fuck you Birmingham, I win.

And with that, a sig is born.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AWK on July 28, 2009, 08:57:34 PM
And with that, a sig is born.
Haha, you're welcome.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: The Prowler on July 28, 2009, 10:00:17 PM
I could see a case for maybe Jawara White getting bumped up. But otherwise, I don't see a case to bump anybody else up. I'm sure Prowler gave Curry 20 grillz or some shit, but there isn't much to the class at this point.
Jessel Curry....the team's do it all player?  That means he's extremely athletic and after watching film of him at Linebacker, he's going to be putting a hurt on someone (That's the same thing I said about Joshua "Bitch stole my money" Bynes), so yeah I could definitely see him getting bumped.

Jake Holland....the physical freak linebacker?  If he's not a 4* by the end of the season, someone needs to get their head outta their asses and take a handful of the guys that they have rated as a 4* to make room for him.  He's a bigtime player. 

"Ra-Ra".....Same as above.

Shon Coleman....he's a Masher and he should be getting the coveted extra star before Feb. (Hey, Coach sabbin offered him, after he committed to Auburn, so that should tell you something)

Shun Kitchens....another freakishly athletic player that should be getting the .1 bump at some point.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 28, 2009, 10:28:50 PM
Jessel Curry....the team's do it all player?  That means he's extremely athletic and after watching film of him at Linebacker, he's going to be putting a hurt on someone (That's the same thing I said about Joshua "Bitch stole my money" Bynes), so yeah I could definitely see him getting bumped.

Jake Holland....the physical freak linebacker?  If he's not a 4* by the end of the season, someone needs to get their head outta their asses and take a handful of the guys that they have rated as a 4* to make room for him.  He's a bigtime player. 

"Ra-Ra".....Same as above.

Shon Coleman....he's a Masher and he should be getting the coveted extra star before Feb. (Hey, Coach sabbin offered him, after he committed to Auburn, so that should tell you something)

Shun Kitchens....another freakishly athletic player that should be getting the .1 bump at some point.
Of course Prowler, of course. Every guy AU signs is way underrated and is victim of all three services being in bed with Alabama and a conspiracy among all coaches not to offer some of them, etc., and every kid Alabama signs is overrated and isn't worth shit. We get the picture.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Kaos on July 28, 2009, 10:55:51 PM
Of course Prowler, of course. Every guy AU signs is way underrated and is victim of all three services being in bed with Alabama and a conspiracy among all coaches not to offer some of them, etc., and every kid Alabama signs is overrated and isn't worth shit. We get the picture.

Finally, one of you two fucktards got something right. 
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: CCTAU on July 28, 2009, 11:19:16 PM
maybe Chizik isn't doing any better than Tubbs was at the end.  This is from both Rivals page, it's the top ten graphic on each of the teams front page.

Not to worry though, Perry's given the Auburn recruits 60 grillz each.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2554/3766119199_3719f6b8b6_o.jpg)

The way things work is, if all of the bammer commits switched to AU, then we would be getting one  4 star and nine 3 stars. So I see we are just about even.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Hogwally on July 28, 2009, 11:47:02 PM
     Looks pretty close, so when is signing day, this week?  Next week?  What, not till next year? 

     So let me get this straight, you guys are talking smack about recruiting rankings, which have only a coincidental relationship with success on the field anyway,  the bigger part of a year before signing day??  I find it amazing how wrapped up people get in recruiting.  Some seem to be bigger fans of recruiting than they do of the game itself.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Saniflush on July 29, 2009, 07:36:38 AM
  Some seem to be bigger fans of recruiting than they do of the game itself.

Well when you are tryin' to get that next 'cruitin' championship you can't hold nothin' back.

Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Jumbo on July 29, 2009, 07:49:00 AM
Well when you are tryin' to get that next 'cruitin' championship you can't hold nothin' back.


You have to live it everyday, you talk the talk can walk the walk?
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 08:19:34 AM
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So let me get this straight, you guys are talking smack about recruiting rankings, which have only a coincidental relationship with success on the field anyway,  the bigger part of a year before signing day??  I find it amazing how wrapped up people get in recruiting.  Some seem to be bigger fans of recruiting than they do of the game itself.

Absolutely horse shit.  Rankings are given for a reason, A very athletic person is ranked highly for the same reason that an average athlete isn't.  To then say that when the "very athletic person" transfers that athleticism to the field in the form of success is only "coincidence" says all I need to know about your analysis of recruiting and more importantly the lack of understanding.

People saying that recruiting rankings don't matter is something that has become sexy recently while maintaining the ability to comfort them at the same time.  I say that knowing that it's possible neither of those apply to you and that you may actually believe it.  If that is the case, you weren't worth this long of a reply and I've wasted my time explaining why the idea of only looking for diamonds in the rough will leave you with a couple diamond and an overwhelming amount of shit to sift through.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: wesfau2 on July 29, 2009, 09:06:04 AM
Well when you are tryin' to get that next 'cruitin' championship you can't hold nothin' back.



O N E Recruit at a time.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Saniflush on July 29, 2009, 09:07:21 AM
O N E Recruit at a time.

It's a process.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: lifesapplepie on July 29, 2009, 09:57:44 AM
The way I look at this is that Auburn replaced everyone on the coaching staff this past year, from the waterboy all the way to the head coach!  If I were coming out of a high school being recruited by the powerhouses of the SEC, Auburn being one of those teams and I was really interested in them, I would wait to see the product put out on the field before I commited.   I would guess that some of these recruits have the same mind set as I do.  With that being said, I think some of the 4 and 5 * recruits will wait until after the season to commit (see LO). I think that the staff is doing a good job getting some of the top recruits in the country interested in Auburn without them even seeing the staff coach one game.  We will see come Feb.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Argo on July 29, 2009, 10:48:29 AM
The way I look at this is that Auburn replaced everyone on the coaching staff this past year, from the waterboy all the way to the head coach!  If I were coming out of a high school being recruited by the powerhouses of the SEC, Auburn being one of those teams and I was really interested in them, I would wait to see the product put out on the field before I commited.   I would guess that some of these recruits have the same mind set as I do.  With that being said, I think some of the 4 and 5 * recruits will wait until after the season to commit (see LO). I think that the staff is doing a good job getting some of the top recruits in the country interested in Auburn without them even seeing the staff coach one game.  We will see come Feb.

I agree with this.  It would not shock me to see Auburn end up easily with a top 10 class.  Possibly top 5.  If AU gets a few breaks early and can play the entire season without a lot of injuries, I think they have a chance to win 8-10 games.  That in itself would bring in a great class.  I believe it swings both ways though.  Anything less than 6 wins, Chizik will find it hard to get some of the top players. 

Either way, Chizik and company have plenty of top prospects looking their way.  If they can produce on the field, they'll reap the rewards in February.  If they can't produce, gnashing will commence, and ya'll probably have to ban greasy.   
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUChizad on July 29, 2009, 10:51:52 AM
The way I look at this is that Auburn replaced everyone on the coaching staff this past year, from the waterboy all the way to the head coach!  If I were coming out of a high school being recruited by the powerhouses of the SEC, Auburn being one of those teams and I was really interested in them, I would wait to see the product put out on the field before I commited.   I would guess that some of these recruits have the same mind set as I do.  With that being said, I think some of the 4 and 5 * recruits will wait until after the season to commit (see LO). I think that the staff is doing a good job getting some of the top recruits in the country interested in Auburn without them even seeing the staff coach one game.  We will see come Feb.
I agree.

Don't get me wrong, I recognize that our class doesn't look as good as most of our SEC rivals at this point, and that is disconcerting.

And for the reason you quoted above, I am hoping more than usual for a stellar season. Cause if we have another season like last year, or God forbid, worse, we're in a world of hurt. Recruits at least need to see that we're turning the corner.

That being said, I am far from panicking about this recruiting class at this point.

More food for thought:

Shaun Kitchens, Kenneth Carter, and Jawara White are all on the ESPN 150 Watch List, yet they're all listed as 3*s. Being on that 150 Watch List means they're at least a 79 on Lugenbill's scale, which usually translates to a 4*.

Bonomolo is still unrated, but is clearly a beast.

DJ Howard's 3* rating is based on his sophomore year because he didn't play his junior year.

Cody Parkey is an UnderArmour All-American, and is widely considered the #1 kicker in the nation, but is still sitting at 3*s, because apparently that's the max a kicker can get.

Yes, we need some momentum, and yes we still need some major impact players to jump on board still, but I'm just saying, it's not as bleak as it's being made out to be.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUTiger1 on July 29, 2009, 11:17:10 AM
Do recruits get evaluated anymore or is this it? 
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUChizad on July 29, 2009, 11:18:29 AM
Do recruits get evaluated anymore or is this it? 
Yes they do. That's why stars fluctuate.

I fully expect some of these 3*s to make the leap to 4*s during their senior season.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUTiger1 on July 29, 2009, 11:27:50 AM
Yes they do. That's why stars fluctuate.

I fully expect some of these 3*s to make the leap to 4*s during their senior season.

Thanks, I wasn't for sure if camps were the last time they get evaluated or if it was after their senior year. I figured they had to one more time before all was said and done. 

I have never really understood how the scout and rivals ranking worked, or at least fully.  I don't usually get interested in recruiting until the HS season is in it's final weeks.  Can't help but notice it this year though, seems like people are talking about it more and more.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Hogwally on July 29, 2009, 03:50:30 PM
A very athletic person is ranked highly for the same reason that an average athlete isn't.  To then say that when the "very athletic person" transfers that athleticism to the field in the form of success is only "coincidence" says all I need to know about your analysis of recruiting and more importantly the lack of understanding.

     I never said player ratings weren't important.  Obviously you have to get good players.  Although, even in the player ratings, after the top 100 - 200 players, the ratings can be severely subjective, and influenced by who is recruiting the player as much as anything.
    What I said was that the TEAM rankings only have a passing relationship with success on the field, much like preseason polls.  There are too many examples to illustrate this, but the latest off the top of my head was last year, when your cousins, with 4 classes in the top 20 including the #1 the year before, got spanked by a team with no class ranked above 60.
     My point is people get so wrapped up in the team rankings, which do not take into account most of the factors it takes to have a winning team  It's not like if you have top recruiting classes it automatically translates to wins on the field.  But many treat it that way, and I just do not understand it. (It's #2 on my list of things I just don't understand, behind only Starbucks).
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 03:56:09 PM
(It's #2 on my list of things I just don't understand, behind only Starbucks).
No, venti is twenty. Large is large. In fact, tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's Italian. Congratulations, you're stupid in three languages.

A venti is a large coffee.

Really? Says who? Fellini? Do you accept lira or is it all euros now?
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Saniflush on July 29, 2009, 04:13:41 PM
No, venti is twenty. Large is large. In fact, tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's Italian. Congratulations, you're stupid in three languages.

A venti is a large coffee.

Really? Says who? Fellini? Do you accept lira or is it all euros now?

You know what I used to have for breakfast? Cocaine. Know what I had for lunch? Cocaine.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on July 29, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
You know what I used to have for breakfast? Cocaine. Know what I had for lunch? Cocaine.

I bet if I suggested a game of Quidditch he'd cum in his pants.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 04:32:54 PM
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    What I said was that the TEAM rankings only have a passing relationship with success on the field, much like preseason polls.  There are too many examples to illustrate this, but the latest off the top of my head was last year, when your cousins, with 4 classes in the top 20 including the #1 the year before, got spanked by a team with no class ranked above 60.
     My point is people get so wrapped up in the team rankings, which do not take into account most of the factors it takes to have a winning team  It's not like if you have top recruiting classes it automatically translates to wins on the field.  But many treat it that way, and I just do not understand it. (It's #2 on my list of things I just don't understand, behind only Starbucks).



Let me try and explain this mystery you're having trouble with while at the same time enlighting you with some facts on the matter.  Since the BCS era, EVERY single team that has finished with the top recruiting class in the country has won a National Championship within 4 years of that date.  So what were you saying about "It's not like if you have a top recruiting class it automatically translates to wins on the field"?
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on July 29, 2009, 04:42:46 PM
(It's #2 on my list of things I just don't understand, behind only Starbucks).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlXGotl6TvM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlXGotl6TvM)
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 04:51:08 PM
Let me try and explain this mystery you're having trouble with while at the same time enlighting you with some facts on the matter.  Since the BCS era, EVERY single team that has finished with the top recruiting class in the country has won a National Championship within 4 years of that date.  So what were you saying about "It's not like if you have a top recruiting class it automatically translates to wins on the field"?

HAM, give it up.  In case your head has not extended far enough outside of your asshole to notice, once a thread around here gets hijacked, it is damn near impossible to get it back on track.

So go find some relevant movie quote and play along or go back in your corner and continue stroking yourself to see if you can actually reach the three inches of length you claim to have.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 04:53:55 PM
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HAM, give it up.  In case your head has not extended far enough outside of your asshole to notice, once a thread around here gets hijacked, it is damn near impossible to get it back on track.

So go find some relevant movie quote and play along or go back in your corner and continue stroking yourself to see if you can actually reach the three inches of length you claim to have.

You, Kitchen, Now.  And look pretty!
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 05:02:01 PM
You, Kitchen, Now.  And look pretty!
Sure.  Let me finish reading the news first...

Quote
Local woman charged with attempted murder after police said she tried to poison her husband.

Dinner will be on the table soon, dear!
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 05:02:16 PM
HAM, give it up.  In case your head has not extended far enough outside of your asshole to notice, once a thread around here gets hijacked, it is damn near impossible to get it back on track.

So go find some relevant movie quote and play along or go back in your corner and continue stroking yourself to see if you can actually reach the three inches of length you claim to have.
You say hijack..I say much needed comic relief and creative modding!

Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 29, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
Why were women created with two holes?

So you can carry them home like a 6-pack.


We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 05:04:03 PM
You say hijack..I say much needed comic relief and creative modding!

Learn it, live it, love it!
Didn't say I had a problem with it.  Was just pointing out to Doofusham the futility of his efforts.  

But then again, from what I hear, he is used to futile efforts unless he takes his Viagra...
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 05:12:26 PM
Why were women created with two holes?

So you can carry them home like a 6-pack.


We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming.
Two holes, and from what I hear, you can't fill either one...
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
Didn't say I had a problem with it.  Was just pointing out to Doofusham the futility of his efforts.  

But then again, from what I hear, he is used to futile efforts unless he takes his Viagra...
Do you want me to throw in a few more....

Watch out, you were in much peril.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 05:13:15 PM
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Was just pointing out to Doofusham the futility of his efforts.

I agree with you completely, presenting facts around here is futile.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 05:13:38 PM
Two holes, and from what I hear, you can't fill either one...
ouch....burn
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on July 29, 2009, 05:16:02 PM
Give this as a gift.  It will make everyone feel better.

(http://www.infomercial-hell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/chia_obama_determined.jpg)
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 05:16:23 PM
I agree with you completely, presenting facts around here is futile.
Here are some facts 1999-2009 = 7-3!
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 05:18:18 PM
Here are some facts 1999-2009 = 7-3!

Shouldn't that be 1999-2008?  It's possible that you suck at facts.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
I agree with you completely, presenting facts around here is futile.
Maybe try presenting some facts sometime that don't have a crimpsum tint to them... you stupid inbreed.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 29, 2009, 05:19:12 PM
Two holes, and from what I hear, you can't fill either one...

Damnit, what did Jumbo tell you?
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 05:21:07 PM
Damnit, what did Jumbo tell you?
That he can whistle while he works... and also fart.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
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Maybe try presenting some facts sometime that don't have a crimpsum tint to them... you stupid inbreed.

Facts are facts, no tint.  Not to mention that the fact that you responded to said absolutely nothing about Alabama so I'm curious about what "crimpsum tint" I shadowed over it.  You better be glad you cook alright, I wouldn't keep you around for anything else.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 05:24:31 PM
Shouldn't that be 1999-2008?  It's possible that you suck at facts.
see...thats why facts are irrelevant!
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 05:26:18 PM
Facts are facts, no tint.  Not to mention that the fact that you responded to said absolutely nothing about Alabama so I'm curious about what "crimpsum tint" I shadowed over it.  You better be glad you cook alright, I wouldn't keep you around for anything else.

You just said "Presenting facts AROUND HERE..." - no reference to any particular topic, thread or forum.  My response was appropriate.

Don't get into a war of words with me, asshole.

Keep ME around?  I'm not the one whose collar and leash is tied to the end of a bed...
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 05:28:16 PM
see...thats why facts are irrelevant!

because yours are inaccurate?  I don't follow.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 05:34:33 PM
You just said "Presenting facts AROUND HERE..." - no reference to any particular topic, thread or forum.  My response was appropriate.

Don't get into a war of words with me, asshole.

Keep ME around?  I'm not the one whose collar and leash is tied to the end of a bed...

You should reread page 3.  The fact I presented, the one you responded to asking me to forget about, certainly prompted my very next post referencing the futility of presenting facts around here.  I'm not surprised that you didn't follow the context of the discussion, with it being more than one post and all.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 05:36:07 PM
because yours are inaccurate?  I don't follow.
Allright
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: lifesapplepie on July 29, 2009, 05:40:02 PM
Shouldn't that be 1999-2008?  It's possible that you suck at facts.

Dont call someone out on facts because your facts dont always add up.

From your statement earlier... "Let me try and explain this mystery you're having trouble with while at the same time enlighting you with some facts on the matter.  Since the BCS era, EVERY single team that has finished with the top recruiting class in the country has won a National Championship within 4 years of that date.  So what were you saying about "It's not like if you have a top recruiting class it automatically translates to wins on the field"?


For one, have they been keeping up with recruiting NC since the start of the BCS era?
Two, according to rivals (i am sure that is who you use for recruiting analysis, cause that is who gave the two recruiting NC to you fuck sticks) who only has "RNC" on record since '02, USC has one it twice in '04 and '05 and I don’t think they have won a NC since '02, '03. So your fact earlier about the winning a RNC and within 4 year winning the MNC is bullshit.  So calling someone else out on facts, is bull shit and hypocritical!!  
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2009, 05:47:24 PM
You should reread page 3.  The fact I presented, the one you responded to asking me to forget about, certainly prompted my very next post referencing the futility of presenting facts around here.  I'm not surprised that you didn't follow the context of the discussion, with it being more than one post and all.
I am speaking in generalities and with an overwhelming preponderance of the evidence in my favor.

You are just a blithering idiot.

Case closed.

Now get back in your closet.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 05:54:07 PM
I can't believe I allow you to act that way.  I really should discipline you more.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 06:02:16 PM
Here are some more facts for you...

Padrón 1964 Anniversary Series Torpedo Score: 93
Cubao No. 1 Score: 92
Ashton Virgin Sun Grown Robusto Score: 90
Coronado By La Flor Double Corona Score: 90
Illusione 88 Score: 90
Defiance By Xikar The Guardian Score: 91
Padrón 6000 Score: 91

Suck on that BEYOTCH!

Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUTiger1 on July 29, 2009, 06:02:41 PM


Let me try and explain this mystery you're having trouble with while at the same time enlighting you with some facts on the matter.  Since the BCS era, EVERY single team that has finished with the top recruiting class in the country has won a National Championship within 4 years of that date.  So what were you saying about "It's not like if you have a top recruiting class it automatically translates to wins on the field"?

Didn't UT have a #1 ranked class somewhere around 2000-2002?  I don't have a clue, but I do remember the UT fans here in North AL bragging about it.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 06:28:28 PM
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For one, have they been keeping up with recruiting NC since the start of the BCS era?  Irrelevent since I said every recruiting NC since the BCS era.  That the BCS has been around for longer than they've been recording recruiting NC has nothing to do with the statement.

Two, according to rivals (i am sure that is who you use for recruiting analysis, cause that is who gave the two recruiting NC to you fuck sticks) who only has "RNC" on record since '02, USC has one it twice in '04 and '05 and I don’t think they have won a NC since '02, '03.  They won the National Championship in 2004, the same year they won the 2004 recruiting NC, They again won the recruiting NC in 2005 which puts their 4 year window ending with the 2009 season.  
So your fact earlier about the winning a RNC and within 4 year winning the MNC is bullshit.  So calling someone else out on facts, is bull shit and hypocritical!!

Aside from Alabama, Only 4 teams have won "recruiting NC's".  They are the same 4 teams that make up the National Champions since recruiting rankings have started being recorded.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 06:36:03 PM
Here are some more facts for you...

Padrón 1964 Anniversary Series Torpedo Score: 93 BEST Cigar ever
Cubao No. 1 Score: 92  Absolute horse shit rating
Ashton Virgin Sun Grown Robusto Score: 90  One of the absolute best cigars ever
Coronado By La Flor Double Corona Score: 90  La Flor's 15th best cigar AT BEST, Horse shit rating
Illusione 88 Score: 90  Excellent up and coming cigar, they've earned their rating with a healthy dose of quality and sending money to Shankin
Defiance By Xikar The Guardian Score: 91  Best cutters in the world, as for the cigar, they need to stick to cutters.  President of Xikar is cool so they get a pass for trying to dip their hand in too many pots.
Padrón 6000 Score: 91  Best economic cigar on the market today.  the *000 series by Padron is wonderful.

Suck on that BEYOTCH! I've "sucked on" every cigar mentioned and each of the additional cigar lines of their respective families.  It was good advice though.


Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Hogwally on July 29, 2009, 07:30:12 PM
Aside from Alabama, Only 4 teams have won "recruiting NC's".  They are the same 4 teams that make up the National Champions since recruiting rankings have started being recorded.


Did someone erase my last post??  Let me try again...
 
   Following your logic, I guess this should be Tennessee and their 2005 top recrootin classes year then huh?  How much are you willing to wager on the Vols taking the title?  Remember, this is the same volunteer team that went 5-7 a few years ago with 5 recruiting classes in a row rated no lower than 9th.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
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Did someone erase my last post??  Let me try again...
 
   Following your logic, I guess this should be Tennessee and their 2005 top recrootin classes year then huh?  How much are you willing to wager on the Vols taking the title?  Remember, this is the same volunteer team that went 5-7 a few years ago with 5 recruiting classes in a row rated no lower than 9th.

Clearly you're mistaken.  USC was ranked #1 in recruiting in 2005.  Scout had Tennessee up top.  What's that you say?  I'm following Rivals rankings because that's who ranked Alabama 1st the past 2 years?  Rivals has a habit of declaring "recruiting NC's" that are then confirmed with National Championships won on the field.  I think that gives them a hell of a lot more credit than ESPN or Scout.  Do you think differently?  If so, why?
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2009, 08:09:09 PM
Here are some more facts for you...

Padrón 1964 Anniversary Series Torpedo Score: 93 BEST Cigar ever
Cubao No. 1 Score: 92  Absolute horse shit rating you are smoking crack dude...have you had this cigar? this is one of the most underrated cigars out there.  To me its as close to a cuban cigar as you can get. I love this stick.
Ashton Virgin Sun Grown Robusto Score: 90  One of the absolute best cigars ever
Coronado By La Flor Double Corona Score: 90  La Flor's 15th best cigar AT BEST, Horse shit rating
Illusione 88 Score: 90  Excellent up and coming cigar, they've earned their rating with a healthy dose of quality and sending money to Shankin
Defiance By Xikar The Guardian Score: 91  Best cutters in the world, as for the cigar, they need to stick to cutters.  President of Xikar is cool so they get a pass for trying to dip their hand in too many pots. Another crack smoke while it may not deserve a score of 91 it easily should be in the high 80's and IMHO should rank above their horseshit Casa Magna that they rated number 1 this year.
Padrón 6000 Score: 91  Best economic cigar on the market today.  the *000 series by Padron is wonderful.

Suck on that BEYOTCH! I've "sucked on" every cigar mentioned and each of the additional cigar lines of their respective families.  It was good advice though.
Not advice, just pulled it off of CA's website and I have smoked all of these as well.  Everything else I agree with though...  Except for maybe Padrons 1964 being the best cigar ever, while it is a great cigar, my #1 is still the Fuente Anejo Shark. I still say bar none for the money you can't beat the taste, draw and texture of a regular Padron!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 29, 2009, 08:10:51 PM
Clearly you're mistaken.  USC was ranked #1 in recruiting in 2005.  Scout had Tennessee up top.  What's that you say?  I'm following Rivals rankings because that's who ranked Alabama 1st the past 2 years?  Rivals has a habit of declaring "recruiting NC's" that are then confirmed with National Championships won on the field.  I think that gives them a hell of a lot more credit than ESPN or Scout.  Do you think differently?  If so, why?

So according to your logic, USC will win the BCS championship this year. 

Thanks, I'll be phoning Las Vegas soon.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 08:19:41 PM
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So according to your logic, USC will win the BCS championship this year.

Thanks, I'll be phoning Las Vegas soon.

You won't get very good odds.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 29, 2009, 08:23:33 PM
Clearly you're mistaken.  USC was ranked #1 in recruiting in 2005.  Scout had Tennessee up top.  What's that you say?  I'm following Rivals rankings because that's who ranked Alabama 1st the past 2 years?  Rivals has a habit of declaring "recruiting NC's" that are then confirmed with National Championships won on the field.  I think that gives them a hell of a lot more credit than ESPN or Scout.  Do you think differently?  If so, why?
Because the Rivals conspiracy extends all the way to the BCS, duh.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: The Prowler on July 29, 2009, 09:11:57 PM
Clearly you're mistaken.  USC was ranked #1 in recruiting in 2005.  Scout had Tennessee up top.  What's that you say?  I'm following Rivals rankings because that's who ranked Alabama 1st the past 2 years?  Rivals has a habit of declaring "recruiting NC's" that are then confirmed with National Championships won on the field.  I think that gives them a hell of a lot more credit than ESPN or Scout.  Do you think differently?  If so, why?
Humor me B'ham, which team had the #1 Recruiting Class, per Rivals, for the '08 signing class, after player qualifications?  I'll give you a hint, it wasn't SPuat.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 29, 2009, 09:27:33 PM
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Humor me B'ham, which team had the #1 Recruiting Class, per Rivals, for the '08 signing class, after player qualifications?  I'll give you a hint, it wasn't SPuat.

You're bitter because your penis is small.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 29, 2009, 10:36:44 PM
Humor me B'ham, which team had the #1 Recruiting Class, per Rivals, for the '08 signing class, after player qualifications?  I'll give you a hint, it wasn't SPuat.
OMG, WE GOT BUMPED DOWN TO #2 AFTER QUALIFICATIONS!!!!!!! OH NOOOOOEEEEEES!!!! Geez, I would imagine every single fucking player in Notre Dame's class would qualify. I love how you throw in the "after qualification" stipulation, just so you can try to prove yourself right. Birmingham didn't say shit about anything after qualifications. Thats simply something you added in to make yourself sleep better at night. The fact of the matter is, we signed the #1 class on NSD. It certainly doesn't change the fact of the talent that we brought in either.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: wesfau2 on July 30, 2009, 08:50:06 AM
OMG, WE GOT BUMPED DOWN TO #2 AFTER QUALIFICATIONS!!!!!!! OH NOOOOOEEEEEES!!!! Geez, I would imagine every single fucking player in Notre Dame's class would qualify. I love how you throw in the "after qualification" stipulation, just so you can try to prove yourself right. Birmingham didn't say shit about anything after qualifications. Thats simply something you added in to make yourself sleep better at night. The fact of the matter is, we signed the #1 class on NSD. It certainly doesn't change the fact of the talent that we brought in either.

This is a stupid fucking argument, and I'm losing IQ points by participating...but...

It's moronic to declare that your class, prior to qualifications, translates into NCs.  If'n the kids don't qualify, then how the FUCK do they help win NCs?
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 30, 2009, 09:23:03 AM
This is a stupid fucking argument, and I'm losing IQ points by participating...but...

It's moronic to declare that your class, prior to qualifications, translates into NCs.  If'n the kids don't qualify, then how the FUCK do they help win NCs?

Prepare for "War & Peace" sized, 18 paragraph reply in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 30, 2009, 09:44:36 AM
This is a stupid fucking argument, and I'm losing IQ points by participating...but...

It's moronic to declare that your class, prior to qualifications, translates into NCs.  If'n the kids don't qualify, then how the FUCK do they help win NCs?
I'm not particularly supporting Birmingham's argument, I'm more so keeping Prowler on track. For arguments sake, nobody ever said anything about after qualifying. Any time anybody mentions Alabama having a top recruiting class to years in a row, he always feels the need to mention it wasn't #1 after qualifications, therefore trying to downplay it. I don't know if what Birmingham is saying is actually true because I haven't bothered to research it or anything. Simply keeping my pimp hand strong is all. But if I were going to argue a point with you, I would say that I'm sure a kid that didn't qualify would manage to qualify at SOME point within four years of signing a LOI (unless maybe you are Kerry Murphy). I think Birmingham's argument entails a 4 year time frame. If not, ignore that. Again, I don't know if its even true or not because I don't really care that much to research it.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: wesfau2 on July 30, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
I'm not particularly supporting Birmingham's argument, I'm more so keeping Prowler on track. For arguments sake, nobody ever said anything about after qualifying. Any time anybody mentions Alabama having a top recruiting class to years in a row, he always feels the need to mention it wasn't #1 after qualifications, therefore trying to downplay it. I don't know if what Birmingham is saying is actually true because I haven't bothered to research it or anything. Simply keeping my pimp hand strong is all. But if I were going to argue a point with you, I would say that I'm sure a kid that didn't qualify would manage to qualify at SOME point within four years of signing a LOI (unless maybe you are Kerry Murphy). I think Birmingham's argument entails a 4 year time frame. If not, ignore that. Again, I don't know if its even true or not because I don't really care that much to research it.

I hear what you're saying.

I think the classes should be re-ranked after the kids get on campus (in their freshman year) to more accurately reflect the standings.

For example: Ole Miss's ranking would be significantly lower this past year once you figure in the 15 or so kids that won't qualify.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 30, 2009, 11:00:14 AM
I can't believe I allow you to act that way.  I really should discipline you more.
The next time you try that will be the first - and the last. 
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 30, 2009, 11:04:50 AM
I hear what you're saying.

I think the classes should be re-ranked after the kids get on campus (in their freshman year) to more accurately reflect the standings.

For example: Ole Miss's ranking would be significantly lower this past year once you figure in the 15 or so kids that won't qualify.
Rivals only takes into account your top 20 signees anyways when it ranks. You can sign 1,000 kids and your class will be ranked only on 20 of them. I don't know if I would go as far as saying "usually", but I think more often than not your higher ranked players end up qualifying.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 30, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
Prepare for "War & Peace" sized, 18 paragraph reply in 3...2...1...
Wes is not Prowler. You can give him a simple explanation and he can figure it out for himself. The novels are reserved for Prowler, because it takes that much with him. However, I don't think he recognizes some of 'dem squiggly type lines all da time.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUChizad on July 30, 2009, 12:00:08 PM
Wes is not Prowler. You can give him a simple explanation and he can figure it out for himself. The novels are reserved for Prowler, because it takes that much with him. However, I don't think he recognizes some of 'dem squiggly type lines all da time.
He was referring to you.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: RWS on July 30, 2009, 12:56:55 PM
He was referring to you.
I know, and I was explaining why I don't need to give an extended reply to Wes. Anything else you would like to point out, Captain Obvious?
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Hogwally on July 30, 2009, 01:04:08 PM
     Ok, can we move on to the #3 thing on my list, text messaging?  Can someone explain the obsession with text messaging?  I swear to god, you can't walk into a bar and swing a dead cat without hitting someone with both their thumbs on the damn phone.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Saniflush on July 30, 2009, 01:07:04 PM
     Ok, can we move on to the #3 thing on my list, text messaging?  Can someone explain the obsession with text messaging?  I swear to god, you can't walk into a bar and swing a dead cat without hitting someone with both their thumbs on the damn phone.

Speaking personally mine fit better on the keyboard than they do my ass. (plus they smell better for a longer period of time)
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on July 30, 2009, 01:12:11 PM
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     Ok, can we move on to the #3 thing on my list, text messaging?  Can someone explain the obsession with text messaging?  I swear to god, you can't walk into a bar and swing a dead cat without hitting someone with both their thumbs on the damn phone.

Text messaging is the single greatest development in the last 150 years.  It has single handedly put an end to the predicament of wanting to ask a simple question to your wife and getting an answer that rabbit trails to how her sister can't find a good man and lasts the better part of the afternoon.  You ask a simple question, you get a simple answer (sometimes one word answers) and you can spend the afternoon not having to hear about everything you didn't ask about.  GENIUS!
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 30, 2009, 01:19:58 PM
Speaking personally mine fit better on the keyboard than they do my ass. (plus they smell better for a longer period of time)

Ask and ye shall receive there Hogwally.

However, I have to say that I was of the same opinion for a long time.  I have a teenage daughter who is da' master of text.  I used to walk by her and say, "Just dial the digits and talk, for Christ sake".  I never understood why you would choose a method of communication that takes 3X as long.  But, having said that, once I started texting a few people, I saw the value in it. One huge benefit is saying what you have to say by being short and concise, without having to get into long, drawn out and boring ass conversations with people you don't really want to talk to...like Howard and Wes.
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Jumbo on July 30, 2009, 11:47:56 PM
Ask and ye shall receive there Hogwally.

However, I have to say that I was of the same opinion for a long time.  I have a teenage daughter who is da' master of text.  I used to walk by her and say, "Just dial the digits and talk, for Christ sake".  I never understood why you would choose a method of communication that takes 3X as long.  But, having said that, once I started texting a few people, I saw the value in it. One huge benefit is saying what you have to say by being short and concise, without having to get into long, drawn out and boring ass conversations with people you don't really want to talk to...like Howard and Wes.
I thought we had something special!
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: AUChizad on August 02, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
I saw this on another site, and thought it was relevant to this discussion.

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1* Players Out Of High School

Ben Grubbs
Courtney Taylor
Carl Stewart
Chris Evans
Robert Dunn
Tre Smith

2 Star Players Out Of High School

Eric Brock
Marquies Gunn
Jason Bosley
Steve Gandy
Merrill Johnson
Jonathan Wilhite
Mike Blanc
Zach Clayton

3 Star Players Out Of High School

Will Herring
Karibi Dede
Kevin Sears
Quentin Groves
Josh Thompson
Cole Bennett
Pat Sims
Tristan Davis
Brad Lester
Antonio Coleman
Jerraud Powers
Patrick Trahan
Aairon Savage
Walt McFadden
Michael Goggans
Craig Stevens
Byron Isom
Mike Blanc
Terrell Zachery
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Mike Slade
Neiko Thorpe
Darvin Adams

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Justin Bruce
Brandon Williams
Tez Doolittle
Doug Langenfeld
Lloyd Blevins
Tony McClain
Lorenzo Ferguson
Tony Bell
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Bryant Miller
Bo Harris
Raven Gray
Lee Tilley
Greg Smith
A.J. Greene
Chris Slaughter
Jonnie Dixon
Deshaun Barnes
Andre Wadley

5* Stud

Kodi Burns
Title: Re: Kaos may have a point
Post by: Birmingham on August 02, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
Chizad.  Let's suppose Apples were ranked 1-5; 1 being good and 5 being great.  Now let's say I bought 50 of them of all various ratings.  How can I say that the apples that are 1-4's are better than the apples that are 5's because there were simply more of them that I liked (completely ignoring the fact that 48 of the apples were ranked 1-4 and only 2 ranked 5)?

On average there are usually on 25-30 5* players in a class.  There's not enough to go around and it be competitive number wise with the 3* and 4* that ended up being great contributors to your team.  There's simply a helluva lot more of them.  An accurate assessment would be the percentage of each ranked * that ends up being a great contributor.  JMO.