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Title: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 18, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
University of Alabama sorority girl films herself using language that isn't uncommon for Alabama students. Gets expelled.

Far be it from me to defend some sorostitute from the UA, but doesn't this girl have a legal right to have and express any opinion no matter how crude or offensive? 

I've heard the same word used in her mini-rant used multiple times in comedy routines, rap songs, general conversation in certain neighborhoods, on the golf course and even in corporate meetings.

We keep creeping closer and closer to 1984.  You must use only approved language or be punished. 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 18, 2018, 01:15:17 PM
University of Alabama sorority girl films herself using language that isn't uncommon for Alabama students. Gets expelled.

Far be it from me to defend some sorostitute from the UA, but doesn't this girl have a legal right to have and express any opinion no matter how crude or offensive? 

I've heard the same word used in her mini-rant used multiple times in comedy routines, rap songs, general conversation in certain neighborhoods, on the golf course and even in corporate meetings.

We keep creeping closer and closer to 1984.  You must use only approved language or be punished.

Pretty much every university and greek organization has a code of conduct/ethics.  I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that blatant racism runs afoul of both.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 18, 2018, 02:16:05 PM
Pretty much every university and greek organization has a code of conduct/ethics.  I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that blatant racism runs afoul of both.
nagger please.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 18, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
Pretty much every university and greek organization has a code of conduct/ethics.  I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that blatant racism runs afoul of both.

Is it blatant racism then when these girls listen to rap songs or a Chris Rock sketch ($1 to Michael Scott)
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Six on January 18, 2018, 03:04:15 PM
"Greek" organizations are so quickly hurdling towards extinction.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 18, 2018, 03:20:04 PM
Is it blatant racism then when these girls listen to rap songs or a Chris Rock sketch ($1 to Michael Scott)
You wouldn’t know blatant racism if it kicked you in the dick, you old cracker.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 18, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
That's not going to be good for business.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 18, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
I think this would make an interesting rap song. About kicking Kaos in the dick, that is.

But it needs to be a black female, both singing and doing the kicking.

It just wouldn’t have the same effect if it were me and Buzz.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 18, 2018, 04:21:11 PM
Is it blatant racism then when these girls listen to rap songs or a Chris Rock sketch ($1 to Michael Scott)

You're being deliberately obtuse if you think that's any sort of valid comparison.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 18, 2018, 04:27:47 PM
You're being deliberately obtuse if you think that's any sort of valid comparison.
Don’t call my buddy obtuse.

If anything, he’s acute.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Prowler on January 18, 2018, 05:27:17 PM
Bye Felicia!!!
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 18, 2018, 11:27:09 PM
You're being deliberately obtuse if you think that's any sort of valid comparison.

I don't see the difference.  Listen to hardcore rap, repeat words. 

I just think that expelling a girl from school because she said a few offensive words in a drunken video rant is overkill.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 19, 2018, 08:35:25 AM
You're being deliberately obtuse if you think that's any sort of valid comparison.
So do you think her drunk rambling ass was much more serious than a rapper is or than an edgy comedy skit? Sorry but I agree with k. I see them more equal than you. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder here but I don't take her very serious. If she were in a hood at a rally doing nazi salutes and a member of the white supremacy justice org of Alabama? Yeah I'd agree with you.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 19, 2018, 10:08:32 AM
So do you think her drunk rambling ass was much more serious than a rapper is or than an edgy comedy skit?

Yes.

Art trumps random racism.

Also, it's well established that black folks can use the word and shitty, over-privileged sorority girls cannot.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 19, 2018, 10:11:43 AM
Yes.

Art trumps random racism.

Also, it's well established that black folks can use the word and shitty, over-privileged sorority girls cannot.
Established by Who? Or, whom? Or, whatever.

Also, this reminds me. I have some art to show you again. Can we hook up at a basketball game, nagger?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: War Eagle!!! on January 19, 2018, 10:29:05 AM
over-privileged sorority girls cannot.

You had me until this.

You keep beating this drum and it makes everything else you say fall on deaf ears...
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 19, 2018, 10:44:48 AM
You had me until this.

You keep beating this drum and it makes everything else you say fall on deaf ears...

Thanks for saving me the typing.

I was ok with first part since it can fall into the subjectivity category and we can agree to disagree. I don't agree but I can see his point.

But the last part he added that you quoted above I don't jive with. It loses me as well.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 19, 2018, 11:39:55 AM
You had me until this.

You keep beating this drum and it makes everything else you say fall on deaf ears...
Are you trying to say that Wes beats it too loud?

He’s loud and proud.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 19, 2018, 12:43:32 PM
Yes.

Art trumps random racism.

Also, it's well established that black folks can use the word and shitty, over-privileged sorority girls cannot.

Her rant was artistic.

The use of the word “trump” clearly caused you to trigger yourself.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 19, 2018, 12:45:52 PM
Her rant was artistic.

The use of the word “trump” clearly caused you to trigger yourself.
I heard he beats it loud, too.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Token on January 19, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
White guilt is a helluva drug.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Token on January 19, 2018, 08:09:01 PM
over-privileged sorority girls cannot.

How can you beat the racism drum as loud as you do and say shit like this?  That is blatantly racist.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 20, 2018, 09:09:46 AM
You had me until this.

You keep beating this drum and it makes everything else you say fall on deaf ears...

How about we substitute "shitty non-black people who are for some reason hung up on the fact that they can't say this one word"?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 20, 2018, 11:18:03 AM
How can you beat the racism drum as loud as you do and say shit like this?  That is blatantly racist.
I liked your post for two reasons.

1. You’re stirring up shit with Wes. Who couldn’t like that?

2. I figured it would piss you off if I Liked it.

You can still read my posts if you’ve blocked me, right?

Hello? Token? Anybody?

Hello?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 20, 2018, 04:20:38 PM
She'll transfer to UGA where that type of behavior is encouraged.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 21, 2018, 08:04:31 AM
How about we substitute "shitty non-black people who are for some reason hung up on the fact that they can't say this one word"?

Sounds to me like you are pretty hung up on who can or can't say it.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 21, 2018, 10:20:33 AM
Sounds to me like you are pretty hung up on who can or can't say it.
You’ve known him a lot longer than me. Has he always been a nagger?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Token on January 21, 2018, 11:43:22 AM
Sounds to me like you are pretty hung up on who can or can't say it.

He's also hung up on the belief that all white people are overly privileged of which I'm highly offended.  I considered a protest against Wes next week but then I remembered I have to work or I can't eat.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 21, 2018, 06:43:41 PM
He's also hung up on the belief that all white people are overly privileged of which I'm highly offended.  I considered a protest against Wes next week but then I remembered I have to work or I can't eat.
Good post. But let’s not go over board. You have a government position.

It’s not like it’s actually work.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 22, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
You’ve known him a lot longer than me. Has he always been a nagger?

I like wes just fine personally. He's a good dude.

But politically we're just at opposite ends, esp with this stuff. I don't think anyone is gonna change anyone else's mind on this one. I just thought it was noteworthy to point out on that specific statement.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 22, 2018, 01:09:31 PM
I like wes just fine personally. He's a good dude.

But politically we're just at opposite ends, esp with this stuff. I don't think anyone is gonna change anyone else's mind on this one. I just thought it was noteworthy to point out on that specific statement.

Any time your argument is that it’s perfectly fine for THIS group or person to do something but it’s not okay for THAT group or person to do the same, you have devolved into some “ism” whether it be racism, classism, sexism, or some other.

It’s heeelarious to me that it’s usually the liberal left that attempts to make these ambiguous distinctions and apply these arbitrary labels. 

She’s white. She’s privileged. She’s a woman. She doesn’t have the same constitutionally protected rights as a poor black man.

That’s ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 22, 2018, 01:26:21 PM
Any time your argument is that it’s perfectly fine for THIS group or person to do something but it’s not okay for THAT group or person to do the same, you have devolved into some “ism” whether it be racism, classism, sexism, or some other.

It’s heeelarious to me that it’s usually the liberal left that attempts to make these ambiguous distinctions and apply these arbitrary labels. 

She’s white. She’s privileged. She’s a woman. She doesn’t have the same constitutionally protected rights as a poor black man.

That’s ridiculous.

That's why I replied to it. I found it hypocritical.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 22, 2018, 01:42:10 PM
First, the "a" vs. "er" distinction is one that has been discussed, so I know none of you actually don't know the difference.

Even if it was phonetically the same word, you can't possibly not see any difference in a black rapper using the word endearingly and a white sorority girl saying QUOTE:

"I love how I act like I love black people because I FUCKING HATE N----RS. So that's really interesting, I fucking hate n----rs, but I just saved the fucking n----rs by shutting that water off"

And then double, triple, quadrupled down and in her non-apology video by angrily shouting "I don't care if it's Martin Luther King day, N----r N----r N----r!"

This isn't an issue of her forgetting to censor her self while doing Jay-Z at karaoke. Jesus...
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 22, 2018, 02:04:50 PM
First, the "a" vs. "er" distinction is one that has been discussed, so I know none of you actually don't know the difference.

Even if it was phonetically the same word, you can't possibly not see any difference in a black rapper using the word endearingly and a white sorority girl saying QUOTE:

"I love how I act like I love black people because I FUCKING HATE N----RS. So that's really interesting, I fucking hate n----rs, but I just saved the fucking n----rs by shutting that water off"

And then double, triple, quadrupled down and in her non-apology video by angrily shouting "I don't care if it's Martin Luther King day, N----r N----r N----r!"

This isn't an issue of her forgetting to censor her self while doing Jay-Z at karaoke. Jesus...

But if it's been deemed a very bad word. Very offensive. Very hateful. Why is it ever ok to use? By anyone.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 22, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
First, the "a" vs. "er" distinction is one that has been discussed, so I know none of you actually don't know the difference.

Even if it was phonetically the same word, you can't possibly not see any difference in a black rapper using the word endearingly and a white sorority girl saying QUOTE:

"I love how I act like I love black people because I FUCKING HATE N----RS. So that's really interesting, I fucking hate n----rs, but I just saved the fucking n----rs by shutting that water off"

And then double, triple, quadrupled down and in her non-apology video by angrily shouting "I don't care if it's Martin Luther King day, N----r N----r N----r!"

This isn't an issue of her forgetting to censor her self while doing Jay-Z at karaoke. Jesus...

There is no "a vs er" distinction.  The word is used interchangeably in rap songs. 

If Jay-Z can say it, so can a sorority girl.   It's either off limits or its not regardless of context. 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 22, 2018, 02:10:46 PM
There is no "a vs er" distinction.
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The word is used interchangeably in rap songs.
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If Jay-Z can say it, so can a sorority girl.
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It's either off limits or its not regardless of context.
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Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 22, 2018, 02:14:06 PM
Again, if we were having an intellectually honest conversation about if it's ok for white people to use it in the editorial sense, or when regurgitating rap lyrics, or putting it in a script a'la Tarantino, we'd have a lot of common ground to agree on.

You're not being serious if you're refusing to recognize the difference in the way it is used by this bitch and Jay-Z.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Saniflush on January 22, 2018, 02:53:06 PM
She's a Yankee...who needs her collards stirred.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 22, 2018, 02:57:55 PM
Again, if we were having an intellectually honest conversation about if it's ok for white people to use it in the editorial sense, or when regurgitating rap lyrics, or putting it in a script a'la Tarantino, we'd have a lot of common ground to agree on.

You're not being serious if you're refusing to recognize the difference in the way it is used by this bitch and Jay-Z.

Doesn't matter how it's used.  You can either call somebody that or you can't.

It's either offensive enough to expel a girl from college for saying it, or it's not. 

When you start drawing distinctions over who is and isn't allowed to say something based on their color or upbringing you're defining the very nature of racism.  You're embracing it.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 22, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
Doesn't matter how it's used.
It does.

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You can either call somebody that or you can't.
You can't.

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It's either offensive enough to expel a girl from college for saying it, or it's not.
It's offensive enough to expel a girl from college for saying it.

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When you start drawing distinctions over who is and isn't allowed to say something based on their color or upbringing you're defining the very nature of racism.  You're embracing it.
I'm drawing a distinction on the context, not on their color or upbringing.

If our new AD gets fired for saying "I love how I act like I love white people because I FUCKING HATE CRACKERS!!!", I'd be ok with that. If he gets fired for saying "Could you please pass the saltines? I like putting my oysters on crackers," I would not be ok with that.

Why is this hard?

I know why.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 22, 2018, 03:30:57 PM
It does.
You can't.
It's offensive enough to expel a girl from college for saying it.
I'm drawing a distinction on the context, not on their color or upbringing.

If our new AD gets fired for saying "I love how I act like I love white people because I FUCKING HATE CRACKERS!!!", I'd be ok with that. If he gets fired for saying "Could you please pass the saltines? I like putting my oysters on crackers," I would not be ok with that.

Why is this hard?

I know why.

This is the dumbest argument you've made in a long, long time.  Your comparison is so ridiculous that it doesn't even bear examination.

It's not hard.  That's what you're failing to see. You can either call somebody a niggra or you can't.  If you can, then Jay-Z, Snoop, Dre, Cube, DMX, Nas, Diddy, Nelly, Ice, Chris Rock, Richard Pryor, the sorority ho and every irate driver in the South are all okay.   If you can't, then they're not.  I've never liked the double standard.

Not going to engage you on it any further. 

Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 22, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
It does.
You can't.
One of these things is not like the other.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 22, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
Even as we debate this, another student leaves school after using "a version of" the oh-so-awful rap word in a private online post.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/college_athelete_suspended_lea.html#incart_river_home

I wonder if she used the 'a' or the 'er' because that certainly matters.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 22, 2018, 03:43:17 PM
It does.
You can't.
It's offensive enough to expel a girl from college for saying it.
I'm drawing a distinction on the context, not on their color or upbringing.

If our new AD gets fired for saying "I love how I act like I love white people because I FUCKING HATE CRACKERS!!!", I'd be ok with that. If he gets fired for saying "Could you please pass the saltines? I like putting my oysters on crackers," I would not be ok with that.

Why is this hard?

I know why.
If our new AD gets fired for saying cracker, that would be the dumbest firing that I’ve ever heard of. And you won’t have to drive to Gulfport. I’m coming to New Orleans because you jinxed us.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 22, 2018, 04:02:53 PM
If our new AD gets fired for saying cracker, that would be the dumbest firing that I’ve ever heard of. And you won’t have to drive to Gulfport. I’m coming to New Orleans because you jinxed us.

Why Gulfport ?

Can't we just meet somewhere out in BFE along 65 between monkey town and moe-BILE? We could hit the conecuh forest if that's better for you. If a chad beats your ass in a forest and no one hears it does it really happen?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Prowler on January 22, 2018, 04:16:54 PM
Why Gulfport ?

Can't we just meet somewhere out in BFE along 65 between monkey town and moe-BILE? We could hit the conecuh forest if that's better for you. If a chad beats your ass in a forest and no one hears it does it really happen?
^Racist comment^
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 22, 2018, 04:24:27 PM
^Racist comment^

I give zero foks.

Plus chad said satire don't count as racist
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 22, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
I give zero foks.

Plus chad said satire don't count as racist

I thought it was art. 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 22, 2018, 04:29:25 PM
I thought it was art.

It was.

It is.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 22, 2018, 04:35:08 PM
I'm just mad because it's our word.  We made it up and we can't use it anymore.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: CCTAU on January 22, 2018, 04:51:29 PM
Even as we debate this, another student leaves school after using "a version of" the oh-so-awful rap word in a private online post.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/college_athelete_suspended_lea.html#incart_river_home (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/college_athelete_suspended_lea.html#incart_river_home)

I wonder if she used the 'a' or the 'er' because that certainly matters.

Ha. I guess hispanics are not a protected minority anymore!
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Prowler on January 22, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
Hoover teacher placed on admin. leave.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2018/01/hoover_teacher_placed_on_leave.html
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 22, 2018, 08:05:42 PM
Hoover teacher placed on admin. leave.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2018/01/hoover_teacher_placed_on_leave.html

Totally unrelated subject, but I read that piece and saw #1. Students were playing music, presumably on their phones, and #B. Someone filmed the incident with the booksnaps.  Question.  Why do these kids have their phones while school is in session?  I know, I know.  What a crusty ole curmudgeon you are.  At my son's school, kids can take their cell phones, but they check em' at the door.  You can have them back when school is out.  In all seriousness, what could kids possibly need their phones for during school hours? 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Token on January 22, 2018, 08:52:11 PM
While I do believe there is a difference between Jay-Z calling a fellow rapper a nigga and the college girl saying black 10 times both versions of the word only prolong racism.  When it comes to existing racism, neither version of the word helps to quell the problem.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 22, 2018, 09:15:41 PM
While I do believe there is a difference between Jay-Z calling a fellow rapper a nigga and the college girl saying black 10 times both versions of the word only prolong racism.  When it comes to existing racism, neither version of the word helps to quell the problem.

In my honest opinion, it's just another example of things that drive a deeper wedge between the races.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 22, 2018, 09:31:55 PM
In my honest opinion, it's just another example of things that drive a deeper wedge between the races.
You want to talk about driving a deeper wedge, then talk about my dong
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 22, 2018, 09:53:48 PM
In my honest opinion, it's just another example of things that drive a deeper wedge between the races.

I'm pretty okay with the wedge.  Left to our own devices and without being forced by government or media manipulation, people generally tend to wedge themselves naturally.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 22, 2018, 09:56:37 PM
I’ve never known anyone who liked to give themselves a wedgie.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 22, 2018, 10:32:16 PM
I'm pretty okay with the wedge.  Left to our own devices and without being forced by government or media manipulation, people generally tend to wedge themselves naturally.
Did I marry my Puerto Rican wife under coersion?

Jesus Christ, this is…something else…
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 23, 2018, 06:38:32 AM
Did I marry my Puerto Rican wife under coersion?

Jesus Christ, this is…something else…

I don't know.  Did you? 

Besides, Puerto Rico is a state.  And I used the word "generally." 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Vladimir on January 23, 2018, 07:39:43 AM
Fight! Fight!
Between Chizzy and a white
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 23, 2018, 08:41:00 AM
Totally unrelated subject, but I read that piece and saw #1. Students were playing music, presumably on their phones, and #B. Someone filmed the incident with the booksnaps.  Question.  Why do these kids have their phones while school is in session?  I know, I know.  What a crusty ole curmudgeon you are.  At my son's school, kids can take their cell phones, but they check em' at the door.  You can have them back when school is out.  In all seriousness, what could kids possibly need their phones for during school hours?
Using your phone beats writing the test answers on the palm of your hand.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 24, 2018, 09:51:34 AM
When it comes to existing racism, neither version of the word helps to quell the problem.

I agree with this, mostly.

The problem is that stuff like this:

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Doesn't matter how it's used.  You can either call somebody that or you can't.

completely ignores nuance and history in favor of simple-minded absolutes.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2018, 10:09:21 AM
I agree with this, mostly.

The problem is that stuff like this:

completely ignores nuance and history in favor of simple-minded absolutes.

Nuance and history are fine except in the case where the word is so ostensibly egregious that if one person says it they must be drummed out of society, lose their livelihood and suffer public scorn -- but if another does, hey, it's all cool my brotha! 

Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 24, 2018, 10:16:36 AM
Nuance and history are fine

Shoulda just stopped there, champ.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2018, 11:30:17 AM
Shoulda just stopped there, champ.

No, I'm right whether you want to admit it or not.  Let's look at as related to firearms. 

Firearms are words.  We all agree that it's a constitutionally protected right for American citizens to possess, carry and use firearms.  It's okay for Jay-Z, Eminem, white sorority girls and hippies from Sacremento to have guns. 

Some firearms are more destructive than others, however.  Those are limited. 

The a rocket launcher is equivalent to that word that triggers you so badly. If the sorority girl can't shoot one of those off?  Neither can Jay-Z or Eminem.

You're advocating a double standard which is laughable.  Once again you're advocating for some societal constraint where a nebulous panel of somebodies decides which class or group is allowed and which is not.  That's the worst form of anything.   
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 24, 2018, 12:43:14 PM
No, I'm right whether you want to admit it or not.  Let's look at as related to firearms. 

Firearms are words.  We all agree that it's a constitutionally protected right for American citizens to possess, carry and use firearms.  It's okay for Jay-Z, Eminem, white sorority girls and hippies from Sacremento to have guns. 

Some firearms are more destructive than others, however.  Those are limited. 

The a rocket launcher is equivalent to that word that triggers you so badly. If the sorority girl can't shoot one of those off?  Neither can Jay-Z or Eminem.

You're advocating a double standard which is laughable.  Once again you're advocating for some societal constraint where a nebulous panel of somebodies decides which class or group is allowed and which is not.  That's the worst form of anything.
They're not the same word and they're not used the same.

You're allowed to have a firearm for self defense, but you're not allowed to use them to rob liquor stores.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 24, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
They're not the same word and they're not used the same.

You're allowed to have a firearm for self defense, but you're not allowed to use them to rob liquor stores.

True.  But I'm white and I still can't use either one, regardless of context.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
They're not the same word and they're not used the same.

You're allowed to have a firearm for self defense, but you're not allowed to use them to rob liquor stores.

You can't use a rocket launcher for defense or robbery.   

That 'oh so awful' word that our grandparents used as a general form of address (no malice intended) is currently the verbal equivalent of a rocket launcher. 

Pretending otherwise is absurd. 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 24, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
No, I'm right whether you want to admit it or not.  Let's look at as related to firearms. 

Not even remotely comparable.

The issue is too complex to draw some A-B comparison and any attempt to do so is laughable.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 24, 2018, 01:00:21 PM
True.  But I'm white and I still can't use either one, regardless of context.
That's an entirely different conversation and one you'd probably get me to agree on a lot more.

When it comes to that though, ultimately I come to this:
While I do believe there is a difference between Jay-Z calling a fellow rapper a nigga and the college girl saying black 10 times both versions of the word only prolong racism.  When it comes to existing racism, neither version of the word helps to quell the problem.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 24, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
True.  But I'm white and I still can't use either one, regardless of context.

Sure you can.  It's about context and intent.

Factual reporting of this story must (absent some compelling reason to censor it) include the word.  If you recount the story just to gloat in the "freedom" to say it, though, you're a fucking dolt and a racist.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2018, 01:05:09 PM
Not even remotely comparable.

The issue is too complex to draw some A-B comparison and any attempt to do so is laughable.

It's only complex because YOU (the ubiquitous you) try to apply some nebulous standards to determine who can say it, in what context and when. 

If the utterance of the word by a white person is a valid rationale for their expulsion, loss of income, public shaming, and societal shunning then that very word itself must be so toxic that no one should be able to speak it in any form. 

It's actually quite simple until you (again ubiquitous) apply your own white guilt and media manipulated white self-loathing. 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: wesfau2 on January 24, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
It's only complex because YOU (the ubiquitous you) try to apply some nebulous standards to determine who can say it, in what context and when. 

If the utterance of the word by a white person is a valid rationale for their expulsion, loss of income, public shaming, and societal shunning then that very word itself must be so toxic that no one should be able to speak it in any form. 

It's actually quite simple until you (again ubiquitous) apply your own white guilt and media manipulated white self-loathing.

I'm sorry that you (non-ubiquitous) think everything can be black and white (ha!), it simply cannot.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 24, 2018, 01:23:36 PM
It's only complex because YOU (the ubiquitous you) try to apply some nebulous standards to determine who can say it, in what context and when. 

If the utterance of the word by a white person is a valid rationale for their expulsion, loss of income, public shaming, and societal shunning then that very word itself must be so toxic that no one should be able to speak it in any form. 

It's actually quite simple until you (again ubiquitous) apply your own white guilt and media manipulated white self-loathing.
AGAIN, the white person wouldn't be expelled for using it in rap lyrics, or at least if they were I'd agree with you that expulsion would be ridiculous given the context. The context is not who the individual is using the word so much as HOW they are using it. And again, they're not even the same word, and they're not even spelled the same, and they don't even have the same meaning.

The context in THIS example was "I FUCKING HATE N*GGERS". You're not this thick.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 24, 2018, 01:26:30 PM
It's only complex because YOU (the ubiquitous you) try to apply some nebulous standards to determine who can say it, in what context and when. 

If the utterance of the word by a white person is a valid rationale for their expulsion, loss of income, public shaming, and societal shunning then that very word itself must be so toxic that no one should be able to speak it in any form. 

It's actually quite simple until you (again ubiquitous) apply your own white guilt and media manipulated white self-loathing.
Also,do you think his hat looks gay too?

Am I the only one that feels this way?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2018, 01:29:48 PM
AGAIN, the white person wouldn't be expelled for using it in rap lyrics, or at least if they were I'd agree with you that expulsion would be ridiculous given the context. The context is not who the individual is using the word so much as HOW they are using it. And again, they're not even the same word, and they're not even spelled the same, and they don't even have the same meaning.

The context in THIS example was "I FUCKING HATE N*GGERS". You're not this thick.

Don't care about the context.  Was expelled for using a "racial slur."   Maybe she does hate black people. Maybe she does resent the double standards.  The thought police refuse to allow her to hold that opinion?

If she'd said she hates damn white people -- nobody would have batted an eye.  We hear it every day in the bashing of "privilege" and other white values.

Anything else is superfluous.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2018, 01:31:11 PM
I'm sorry that you (non-ubiquitous) think everything can be black and white (ha!), it simply cannot.

Not everything can. 

But if this particular word is that offensive, all should suffer the same consequence regardless of context.  You shouldn't get to decide whether it's okay for me to say it but not WT.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 24, 2018, 01:54:27 PM
AGAIN, the white person wouldn't be expelled for using it in rap lyrics, or at least if they were I'd agree with you that expulsion would be ridiculous given the context. The context is not who the individual is using the word so much as HOW they are using it. And again, they're not even the same word, and they're not even spelled the same, and they don't even have the same meaning.

The context in THIS example was "I FUCKING HATE N*GGERS". You're not this thick.
I hate people who nag and am not ashamed to admit it.

I don’t get why you dance around the word nagger so much. Pussy.

But saying Kaos isn’t that thick, just curious. Have you seen him lately?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Prowler on January 24, 2018, 09:29:35 PM
Go ahead Kaos...you can continue saying it. I'm sure that's what you wanted to hear. Btw, whenever I'm Karaoking rap songs, I still don't say it, but hey that's just me.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 24, 2018, 10:17:27 PM
Go ahead Kaos...you can continue saying it. I'm sure that's what you wanted to hear. Btw, whenever I'm Karaoking rap songs, I still don't say it, but hey that's just me.

So context DOESNT matter and it's bad regardless?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: CCTAU on January 24, 2018, 10:50:19 PM
, whenever I'm Karaoking rap songs,


I'll never have this issue! None of my friends will either!
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 24, 2018, 10:52:02 PM
So context DOESNT matter and it's bad regardless?

BOOOMM!!  #dropthatkaraokemic
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: AUChizad on January 25, 2018, 09:06:50 AM
Btw, whenever I'm Karaoking rap songs, I still don't say it, but hey that's just me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgXw9YHpk1M
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 25, 2018, 09:30:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgXw9YHpk1M
Prowler is much better looking than I ever envisioned.

You sing really well too. What are you doing after work?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Prowler on January 25, 2018, 04:37:53 PM
So context DOESNT matter and it's bad regardless?
Bad for me (white person) to say it, yes. Bad for the rapper (black person) to say it, no.

It's really not that hard to understand.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 25, 2018, 05:13:11 PM
Bad for me (white person) to say it, yes. Bad for the rapper (black person) to say it, no.

It's really not that hard to understand.

Fails to comprehend double standards.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Prowler on January 25, 2018, 06:56:51 PM
Fails to comprehend double standards.
^^Fails to understand things because of the thickness of his skull^^
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 25, 2018, 09:57:31 PM
^^Fails to understand things because of the thickness of his skull^^

#Prowlerfailsateverything
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 26, 2018, 07:44:10 AM
Bad for me (white person) to say it, yes. Bad for the rapper (black person) to say it, no.

It's really not that hard to understand.

Says who?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 26, 2018, 07:59:42 AM
Says who?

Why wes, of course.  He's the sole arbiter of all social values and norms.  He gets to decide who can do what and when.  Democracy, duh. 
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Saniflush on January 26, 2018, 08:23:05 AM
Bad for me (white person) to say it, yes. Bad for the rapper (black person) to say it, no.

It's really not that hard to understand.

Can I get a list of the words that whitey is allowed to say that rappers cannot?
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 26, 2018, 08:52:37 AM
Can I get a list of the words that whitey is allowed to say that rappers cannot?

See below:
































Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Saniflush on January 26, 2018, 10:08:19 AM
See below:

Yep
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: Kaos on January 26, 2018, 11:56:08 AM
So.  Al.com weighs in with a hatefully racist screed from one of its resident hateful racists addressed:

“Dear white people”

Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: GH2001 on January 26, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
So.  Al.com weighs in with a hatefully racist screed from one of its resident hateful racists addressed:

“Dear white people”

Well, Barry set the bar on that one. You know, typical white people.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: CCTAU on January 26, 2018, 11:15:48 PM
Well, Barry set the bar on that one. You know, typical white people.


Hah. If Trump ever said “Typical Black people”, the world would explode!
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: The Prowler on January 28, 2018, 02:58:47 PM

Hah. If Trump ever said “Typical Black people”, the world would explode!
You and Kaos, among others here, would be right there to lick Trump's boots as always.
Title: Re: Can't say that down here...
Post by: CCTAU on January 28, 2018, 11:04:05 PM
You and Kaos, among others here, would be right there to lick Trump's boots as always.


Hah. We see his success and understand how business works.


You Obama bobo honkers only cared for your free shit!