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Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 02, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
Hard to even begin to respond to this.  There are things that occur to me.   

1) I know the Aldean guy had to be terrified, but tweeting out that he and his crew were safe seemed self-involved.  Who gives a fuck?  I don't know what I expected him to do, but dropping his shit and running from the stage and then insta-tweeting that "Me and my Crew are safe" seems chicken shit to me.  Maybe get behind something and use his speaker system to help people?  Taking cover and leaving the crowd to fend for itself seems cowardly. 

2) The crazy bitch who is standing there filming herself talking while people are getting shot behind her... and then includes an insult directed toward Trump as part of her ill informed rant?  Despicable human being.

3) What's with the obsession to constantly film?  There are hundreds or thousands of phone-shot videos of this event.  If where you are is being sprayed with bullets?  Quit filming.  One guy actually filmed himself running out of the event and goes "woman just got shot in the head..."  What is wrong with people. Run, don't look in your camera and try to run.  Idiot. 

4) There's one video were everybody is on the ground and you can see people being hit.  In that crowd there is one guy standing there in a black t-shirt with his arms spread like he's making himself a target and another guy wearing an American flag strap tshirt just standing there dumbfounded.  People are crazy.

5) There was a rumor earlier that the shooter was a Trump hating Bernie supporter.  I don't know what this guy was, but you can bet that:

a) They're going to try to find some way to blame Trump (as the idiot bitch did in her at-the-moment rant)
b) They are going to use this to again promote more gun laws.


6) Speaking of self-involved why do "celebrities" feel the need to make inane comments.  Why would the "official Nickelback Tweeter" tell people at 2 AM when this was four hours past to "get to safety."  Oh, thanks Nickelback.  I was getting to danger until you tweetered.  Or Penn and Teller socially blasting that they were safe.  Again, who gives a fuck?  An ass ton of people are dead, but WHEW!  None of them are Penn or Teller.  Who gives a flying fuck that Paris Hilton is sad or that DJ Chings is shocked or that Trey Songz be upset?  I'm sick of the entire social media concept.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 02, 2017, 08:41:36 AM
I'm sorry, I was taking a selfie.

What were you saying?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 02, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
Long night at the Snags house.  My daughter is in a show just down the street from the shootings.  She was texting us at 2:00 a.m. from a bathroom where she and the other cast members ran to.  Obviously, crazy rumors were flying (As if 50 people killed isn't crazy enough) and they were hearing there was a shooter at every casino on the strip.  That's mostly because bloodied people were running into the lobbies of all these hotels seeking cover.  We're headed out there in a few days.  The purpose of that trip just changed a good bit. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: AUChizad on October 02, 2017, 09:52:57 AM
A fully automatic machine gun was used, which is incredibly difficult to get due to the Hughes Amendment of 1986, despite anything you may hear today. Also if you hear the words "semi-automatic" or "assualt rifle" in relation to this, it's a safe bet that those people don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
A fully automatic machine gun was used, which is incredibly difficult to get due to the Hughes Amendment of 1986, despite anything you may hear today. Also if you hear the words "semi-automatic" or "assualt rifle" in relation to this, it's a safe bet that those people don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Yep.

Anyone that knows anything about a gun can hear the gun in the video and know that it isn't something you buy at wal mart. It sounded more like war footage than a citizen shooting - ak47/m16ish. 100s of rounds in just a few mins. This guy was a sick puppy. An automatic gun like that is usually something only law enforcement or military have. Also hard to get even on the black weapons market. So yeah. Nuts.

Not to politicize either but....it's also proof that criminals don't obey gun laws. Which will play into the narrative you mentioned above of "ommagerd these semis and assault rifles got to be banned!!"
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: AUJarhead on October 02, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
First, it sounded belt fed.

Second, I saw Hillary tweet something about "imagine if he had used a silencer" and I want to scream every time I hear someone say that.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 02, 2017, 10:38:17 AM
First, it sounded belt fed.

Second, I saw Hillary tweet something about "imagine if he had used a silencer" and I want to scream every time I hear someone say that.

She is dumb as a fuck rock. 

Sorry GH but we have to politicize this.  They sure as shit will. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
She is dumb as a fuck rock. 

Sorry GH but we have to politicize this.  They sure as shit will.

They will. Because of totalitarian rule #1 that the mayor of Chicago loves to use - never let a good crisis go to waste.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 02, 2017, 01:06:35 PM
A fully automatic machine gun was used, which is incredibly difficult to get due to the Hughes Amendment of 1986, despite anything you may hear today. Also if you hear the words "semi-automatic" or "assualt rifle" in relation to this, it's a safe bet that those people don't know what the fuck they're talking about.


Not difficult to convert a weapon to make it fully auto if you know what to do.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CCTAU on October 02, 2017, 01:16:10 PM

Not difficult to convert a weapon to make it fully auto if you know what to do.

Still HIGHLY illegal!

Law abiding citizens know better than to even try.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 01:20:36 PM

Not difficult to convert a weapon to make it fully auto if you know what to do.

Go research that and let me know how quick the Feds are at your door.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 02, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
1.Still HIGHLY illegal!

2Law abiding citizens know better than to even try.


1.That it is.
2. I know folks (Old army buddies) who have done this just for pleasure shooting on their land. We you get to shoot some of weapons we got to play with, a regular AR-15 is kind of boring. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 02, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Go research that and let me know how quick the Feds are at your door.

I was taught in military how to do it. And you don't have to buy one thing.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 01:22:56 PM
I was taught in military how to do it. And you don't have to buy one thing.

Why? M16s are already automatic. It's pretty much an automatic ar no?

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: chinook on October 02, 2017, 01:25:43 PM

1.That it is.
2. I know folks (Old army buddies) who have done this just for pleasure shooting on their land. We you get to shoot some of weapons we got to play with, a regular AR-15 is kind of boring.

oh look.
see dallas shoot.
bam! bam! bam!
see the holes in the target.

see dallas shoot.
yes he can.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 02, 2017, 01:27:38 PM
Why? M16s are already automatic. It's pretty much an automatic ar no?

Yes, but we were taught that trick for civilian weapons should that need arise.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 01:30:15 PM
Yes, but we were taught that trick for civilian weapons should that need arise.

Have they said what the actual gun was yet?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CCTAU on October 02, 2017, 01:39:15 PM

1.That it is.
2. I know folks (Old army buddies) who have done this just for pleasure shooting on their land. We you get to shoot some of weapons we got to play with, a regular AR-15 is kind of boring.

I know it is fun and some guys do it. But if you get caught, that is one thing the feds do not play about! Unless you are a gang banger. Then I reckon its expected...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 02, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
Have they said what the actual gun was yet?

I read he had ten weapons, if they have said what they were I missed that part.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
I read he had ten weapons, if they have said what they were I missed that part.

Sounded like he was rotating them all during the pauses. But the fire was definately FA. AND large magazines. It's tough watching some of these videos. Those folks were just sitting ducks. And now knowing where he was in the videos? That's just creepy.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 02, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
Back to the politicization? 

The lefty losers are bashing politicians who are offering condolences or prayers saying those sentiments are worthless unless they act on gun control. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 03:27:13 PM
Back to the politicization? 

The lefty losers are bashing politicians who are offering condolences or prayers saying those sentiments are worthless unless they act on gun control.

What do they suggest - banning automatic weapons?

Or perhaps banning "evil"?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 02, 2017, 03:48:21 PM
What do they suggest - banning automatic weapons?

Or perhaps banning "evil"?

Nothing.  Alarmists. 

Quote

Richard Shelby  ✔ @SenShelby
Praying for the victims and the families of the victims involved in the tragic Las Vegas shooting. Thankful for brave first responders.


Beck McDowell @BeckMcDowell
Please explain your continued votes against assault weapons bans. Thoughts and prayers aren't cutting it for sensible Americans.


Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Prowler on October 02, 2017, 04:28:17 PM
I don't think more gun control would have prevented this. Word is that he had modified his weapons.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: AUChizad on October 02, 2017, 04:35:54 PM
I've read actually that trigger cranks are legal, which I found surprising...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/02/expert-las-vegas-shooter-may-have-used-trigger-crank/723236001/#
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 02, 2017, 04:56:14 PM
She said it.  Many of them thought it.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 02, 2017, 05:01:38 PM
She said it.  Many of them thought it.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html


I read she was fired.  She will prolly start her own show on MSNBC tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 06:00:45 PM
I don't think more gun control would have prevented this. Word is that he had modified his weapons.

Agree. Having what he did was probably already illegal unless he had a class III permit from the atf. Token may can fill us in more on this aspect. But I know it's a long tedious process to have a FA weapon and it be legal.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 02, 2017, 06:18:46 PM
I'm really anxious to find out the motive behind this.  This wasn't a man snapping.  This wasn't "I got fired so I'm going back into work and blowing people away".  He doesn't fit the religious fanatic M.O. based on the little we know about him.  So, what makes a guy do this to all these innocent people?

You can't say he was crazy, not in the sense of snapping or going off the deep end.  This was methodically planned, prepared for and carried out.  He'd been there since Thursday.  He chose that corner room to have that view. I've heard as few as 8 and as many as 20 weapons,  I've heard there were two "shooting platforms".  Not sure what that is but I assume it's something a sniper would rest his weapon on to steady it.  Someone fill me in.

He had cameras set up to know when the police were coming so he'd know when to take the coward's way out.  He planned the shooting for the last song of this 3-day music festival.  What details am I leaving out?  In any event, there was definitely a finely tuned method to this madness. 

So the only question is why?

Somebody said something today that made sense, but me not being that knowledgeable about military tactics, I'll put this out there for those that are.  The guy said the shooter wouldn't have been right at the window, but would have been well out of sight.  That keeps the shooter from being spotted by the flash and smoke.  Truth?  Makes sense. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 02, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
I'm thinking it had some twisted connection to the song, since he specifically waited. And maybe it's a number of reasons but obviously, number one, he was nuts.

I would imagine this freaked Snagette out. And probably Snags. And understandably so.

58 dead and 500 injured. Unbelievable. I don't remember the Texas tower numbers but don't think they approached this.

I can't understand why taking innocent people with him made it any better. Just a weirdo.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 02, 2017, 08:28:15 PM
I'm thinking it had some twisted connection to the song, since he specifically waited. And maybe it's a number of reasons but obviously, number one, he was nuts.

I would imagine this freaked Snagette out. And probably Snags. And understandably so.

58 dead and 500 injured. Unbelievable. I don't remember the Texas tower numbers but don't think they approached this.

I can't understand why taking innocent people with him made it any better. Just a weirdo.

Yeah, she was pretty shaken, as were dad and mom.  Kind of an eye opener to be going back and forth with your daughter at 2:00 in the morning with her holed up in a bathroom thinking there's an active shooter in the building. Every channel has graphic pictures and different stories about what's going on.

I can't imagine being the parent of one of those killed and getting the call that some loon declared war on concert goers and killed your child.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
Yeah, she was pretty shaken, as were dad and mom.  Kind of an eye opener to be going back and forth with your daughter at 2:00 in the morning with her holed up in a bathroom thinking there's an active shooter in the building. Every channel has graphic pictures and different stories about what's going on.

I can't imagine being the parent of one of those killed and getting the call that some loon declared war on concert goers and killed your child.

Sounds like it freaked Aldean out too. He sounded shaken up from what I saw. He was a sitting duck out there on stage. But I'm guessing the shooter cared less and wanted mass casualties from the crowd. But being in aldeans position that has to mess with your head from now on.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Prowler on October 02, 2017, 08:49:47 PM
I'm really anxious to find out the motive behind this.  This wasn't a man snapping.  This wasn't "I got fired so I'm going back into work and blowing people away".  He doesn't fit the religious fanatic M.O. based on the little we know about him.  So, what makes a guy do this to all these innocent people?

You can't say he was crazy, not in the sense of snapping or going off the deep end.  This was methodically planned, prepared for and carried out.  He'd been there since Thursday.  He chose that corner room to have that view. I've heard as few as 8 and as many as 20 weapons,  I've heard there were two "shooting platforms".  Not sure what that is but I assume it's something a sniper would rest his weapon on to steady it.  Someone fill me in.

He had cameras set up to know when the police were coming so he'd know when to take the coward's way out.  He planned the shooting for the last song of this 3-day music festival.  What details am I leaving out?  In any event, there was definitely a finely tuned method to this madness. 

So the only question is why?

Somebody said something today that made sense, but me not being that knowledgeable about military tactics, I'll put this out there for those that are.  The guy said the shooter wouldn't have been right at the window, but would have been well out of sight.  That keeps the shooter from being spotted by the flash and smoke.  Truth?  Makes sense.
Doesn't make any sense to me either, the guy was reportedly a multi-millionaire, retired...basically living the good life.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CCTAU on October 03, 2017, 12:23:17 AM
Doesn't make any sense to me either, the guy was reportedly a multi-millionaire, retired...basically living the good life.


So he may have had a class III license.


And the way the cops found him was that the smoke from the guns set off the fire alarm!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Prowler on October 03, 2017, 02:27:38 AM

So he may have had a class III license.


And the way the cops found him was that the smoke from the guns set off the fire alarm!
He liked his guns...a lot, apparently, 42 were found in the hotel room.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 03, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
USA Today, less than 24 hours later:

What's the impact on country music's gun culture?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/nation-now/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-impact-country-music-guns/726070001/

"Gun culture"

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2017, 09:38:54 AM
Turns out that these people weren't in any danger, but at the time, no one knew what was going on and rumors were flying that there were terrorist attacks all along the strip. I heard the interview where Rich said this Officer was on his honeymoon. No one knew what the danger really was but this guy took the gun and stood guard for 2 hours.  Another example of sorry ass cops and their incessant police brutality.

tasteofcountry.com


John Rich of Big & Rich, was at his Redneck Riveria bar in Las Vegas after performing the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night (Oct 1). He recalls a lockdown scene inside the bar, during which he provided an officer with a firearm.

Speaking to Fox News, Rich recalled an off-duty officer from Minnesota approaching him  and asking if had a gun. Rich says he has his permit and was carrying, so he provided the firearm to the man. From there the unidentified officer stood point at the door for nearly two hours.

Big & Rich performed two sets before Jason Aldean, who was onstage when gunshots broke out from the Mandalay Bay Casino, which sits kitty-corner from the festival grounds. Nearly 60 were killed and more than 500 injured when 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on the crowd, firing hundreds of shots for over four minutes.

Redneck Riviera is about three miles north of the concert site. Inside patrons remained away from the windows, Rich said, until given the all-clear at about 2AM local time. Many at the bar had just come from Route 91 and were emotional.

“I remember this one lady … she was just uncontrollably weeping in the room,” Rich says.

Jake Owen played between Big & Rich and Aldean and was on the side of the stage when shooting began. On Instagram he shared his harrowing tale of survival. Chris Young also had to duck for cover. Side-stage artist Jordan Mitchell tells Taste of Country she and her band hid beneath the stage during the attacks. All of Sunday’s performers have reported in as safe, although Josh Abbott Band’s guitarist says that his crew was hit with shrapnel.


Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 03, 2017, 10:04:18 AM
Turns out that these people weren't in any danger, but at the time, no one knew what was going on and rumors were flying that there were terrorist attacks all along the strip. I heard the interview where Rich said this Officer was on his honeymoon. No one knew what the danger really was but this guy took the gun and stood guard for 2 hours.  Another example of sorry ass cops and their incessant police brutality.

tasteofcountry.com


John Rich of Big & Rich, was at his Redneck Riveria bar in Las Vegas after performing the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night (Oct 1). He recalls a lockdown scene inside the bar, during which he provided an officer with a firearm.

Speaking to Fox News, Rich recalled an off-duty officer from Minnesota approaching him  and asking if had a gun. Rich says he has his permit and was carrying, so he provided the firearm to the man. From there the unidentified officer stood point at the door for nearly two hours.

Big & Rich performed two sets before Jason Aldean, who was onstage when gunshots broke out from the Mandalay Bay Casino, which sits kitty-corner from the festival grounds. Nearly 60 were killed and more than 500 injured when 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on the crowd, firing hundreds of shots for over four minutes.

Redneck Riviera is about three miles north of the concert site. Inside patrons remained away from the windows, Rich said, until given the all-clear at about 2AM local time. Many at the bar had just come from Route 91 and were emotional.

“I remember this one lady … she was just uncontrollably weeping in the room,” Rich says.

Jake Owen played between Big & Rich and Aldean and was on the side of the stage when shooting began. On Instagram he shared his harrowing tale of survival. Chris Young also had to duck for cover. Side-stage artist Jordan Mitchell tells Taste of Country she and her band hid beneath the stage during the attacks. All of Sunday’s performers have reported in as safe, although Josh Abbott Band’s guitarist says that his crew was hit with shrapnel.
I bet Token would have taken the gun too. And then hauled ass.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: AUJarhead on October 03, 2017, 10:22:02 AM
I bet Token would have taken the gun too. And then hauled ass.

He would have pistol whipped someone first, though.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on October 03, 2017, 10:35:37 AM
Am I the only one not buying that this guy did this all on his own? 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2017, 10:46:01 AM
He would have pistol whipped someone first, though.

There weren't many black people there, so it's doubtful.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 03, 2017, 10:46:13 AM
Am I the only one not buying that this guy did this all on his own?
No. You and Bottomfeeder.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Token on October 03, 2017, 12:46:38 PM
1. Fuck this guy for being such a goddam coward.
2. If you have money it isn't that hard to legally own a fully auto rifle
3. If you're a criminal who wants a fully auto rifle it isn't hard at all to obtain one.
4. That off duty cop has some balls on him.  I can appreciate his willingness to protect in that situation.  And as much as I know he wanted to protect everyone in that room, I can guarantee you he was driven by the notion that he wasn't going to be shot and killed by a psychopath while he was on vacation.  I can respect that too.  But it takes a set of balls on a man to be standing anywhere in Las Vegas that night, in plain clothes, holding a gun at the entrance to a building.  He had zero radio communication, he had no idea what was going on and he very likely had no way to identify any other person in that city he was law enforcement while standing guard.  He could have very easily been seen by a LV Police officer and been targeted as a second gunman.  THAT is how you get your ass killed and it's always one of my biggest fears with assisting any other LEO while off duty. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 03, 2017, 01:34:54 PM
Good thing this wasn't a rap concert, all those NFL players running around trying to save people and running into the hotel to get the shooter. Oh, wait.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 03, 2017, 03:09:47 PM
1. Fuck this guy for being such a goddam coward.
2. If you have money it isn't that hard to legally own a fully auto rifle
3. If you're a criminal who wants a fully auto rifle it isn't hard at all to obtain one.
4. That off duty cop has some balls on him.  I can appreciate his willingness to protect in that situation.  And as much as I know he wanted to protect everyone in that room, I can guarantee you he was driven by the notion that he wasn't going to be shot and killed by a psychopath while he was on vacation.  I can respect that too.  But it takes a set of balls on a man to be standing anywhere in Las Vegas that night, in plain clothes, holding a gun at the entrance to a building.  He had zero radio communication, he had no idea what was going on and he very likely had no way to identify any other person in that city he was law enforcement while standing guard.  He could have very easily been seen by a LV Police officer and been targeted as a second gunman.  THAT is how you get your ass killed and it's always one of my biggest fears with assisting any other LEO while off duty.

Ive read they've found "bump stocks" in his stash. Meaning these were probably semi Ars he made to replicate an auto. As you know, even a bump stock doesn't make it auto mechanically speaking but it has the same end effect as far as rapid fire.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 03, 2017, 03:11:14 PM
No. You and Bottomfeeder.

Add me to the list then.

And you don't have to be a conspiracy nut to see something don't add up here. If this were a movie I would be bitching about plot holes. Think about it.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CCTAU on October 03, 2017, 03:12:42 PM
Add me to the list then.

And you don't have to be a conspiracy nut to see something don't add up here. If this were a movie I would be bitching about plot holes. Think about it.

Now some video showing gunfire from a different level of the hotel? Anybody hear that?

Everything seems off about this deal.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 03, 2017, 03:14:19 PM
Now some video showing gunfire from a different level of the hotel? Anybody hear that?

Everything seems off about this deal.

4th floor.  Something is amiss.  Also, the guy was all over Anifta pages and protests.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 03, 2017, 03:15:40 PM
Now some video showing gunfire from a different level of the hotel? Anybody hear that?

Everything seems off about this deal.

I saw it. Saw three different ones form 3 different angles and they all show it. So it isn't doctored video and it isn't a reflection. But not sure if that's what it is. It sure resembles muzzle fire though. Problem there is the only two broke windows on the mandalay are the two on the 32nd floor. Do the lower floors windows open? If so that's a game changer.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2017, 03:24:19 PM
I saw it. Saw three different ones form 3 different angles and they all show it. So it isn't doctored video and it isn't a reflection. But not sure if that's what it is. It sure resembles muzzle fire though. Problem there is the only two broke windows on the mandalay are the two on the 32nd floor. Do the lower floors windows open? If so that's a game changer.

Bingo.  However, wouldn't gun fire from another room set off the smoke alarms just as it did in Paddock's? I believe that's one contingency he didn't plan for.  If it hadn't gone off, he might have been able to pump a few hundred more rounds into the crowd. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 03, 2017, 03:28:36 PM
Bingo.  However, wouldn't gun fire from another room set off the smoke alarms just as it did in Paddock's? I believe that's one contingency he didn't plan for.  If it hadn't gone off, he might have been able to pump a few hundred more rounds into the crowd.

And it may have. Or whoever (if someone was) was in that other room may have planned better for it that he did. Like buzz said, something is amiss. And I don't usually say that about these things. I think the sandy hook and 9-11 truthers are moon bats.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
And it may have. Or whoever (if someone was) was in that other room may have planned better for it that he did. Like buzz said, something is amiss. And I don't usually say that about these things. I think the sandy hook and 9-11 truthers are moon bats.

Miss who? 

I also think anyone questioning those events are loony tunes.  And I'm going to stick with the current narrative of Paddock being the lone wolf here until the authorities come up with something more concrete than a book faces video of the gun flash from the grassy knoll.  As many times as I've seen/heard these videos, I've never thought it sounded like more than one gun.  And all the witnesses say the same thing. (Unless I've missed some new accounts)  It was a long string of rapid fire.  Pause.  Rapid fire. Pause.  Rapid fire.

Could there have been a second shooter?  I guess it's possible.  But think about this.  There's no chance in hell the police didn't sweep that entire building, floor by floor, room by room.  There's also no chance that they wouldn't have noticed smoke or some other evidence of shooting going on from another room on the 4th or any other floor.   
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CCTAU on October 03, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
Miss who? 

I also think anyone questioning those events are loony tunes.  And I'm going to stick with the current narrative of Paddock being the lone wolf here until the authorities come up with something more concrete than a book faces video of the gun flash from the grassy knoll.  As many times as I've seen/heard these videos, I've never thought it sounded like more than one gun.  And all the witnesses say the same thing. (Unless I've missed some new accounts)  It was a long string of rapid fire.  Pause.  Rapid fire. Pause.  Rapid fire.

Could there have been a second shooter?  I guess it's possible.  But think about this.  There's no chance in hell the police didn't sweep that entire building, floor by floor, room by room.  There's also no chance that they wouldn't have noticed smoke or some other evidence of shooting going on from another room on the 4th or any other floor.

Bob Lee Swagger begs the differ!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
Bob Lee Swagger begs the differ!

Are you out of your mind? Are you out of your damn mind? I am a United States Senator!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 03, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
Miss who? 

I also think anyone questioning those events are loony tunes.  And I'm going to stick with the current narrative of Paddock being the lone wolf here until the authorities come up with something more concrete than a book faces video of the gun flash from the grassy knoll.  As many times as I've seen/heard these videos, I've never thought it sounded like more than one gun.  And all the witnesses say the same thing. (Unless I've missed some new accounts)  It was a long string of rapid fire.  Pause.  Rapid fire. Pause.  Rapid fire.

Could there have been a second shooter?  I guess it's possible.  But think about this.  There's no chance in hell the police didn't sweep that entire building, floor by floor, room by room.  There's also no chance that they wouldn't have noticed smoke or some other evidence of shooting going on from another room on the 4th or any other floor.


Second shooter, I don't know. I would guess in the upcoming weeks we will know about how many rounds were fired (empty shell casings), how many empty magazines were found. On the videos I have seen and just guessing by the rate of fire I don't hear any other weapons joining in. A second shooters weapon would have added a different sound and rate of fire. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2017, 05:26:41 PM

Second shooter, I don't know. I would guess in the upcoming weeks we will know about how many rounds were fired (empty shell casings), how many empty magazines were found. On the videos I have seen and just guessing by the rate of fire I don't hear any other weapons joining in. A second shooters weapon would have added a different sound and rate of fire.

Listen to him, he's pre-med.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bottomfeeder on October 03, 2017, 07:39:44 PM
Back to the politicization? 

The lefty losers are bashing politicians who are offering condolences or prayers saying those sentiments are worthless unless they act on gun control.

I'm just going to stick to Lou Dobbs.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 04, 2017, 05:13:50 AM
I'm just going to stick to Lou Dobbs.
You just have to trust a person with the name Lou.
I know I do.

Lou Gehrig... Yankee HOFer.
Lou Ferigno...hulk and body builder
Lou Ann Poovie...Gomer's best girl. Couldn't make up her mind, very agreeable though.
Mary Lou Retton...gymnastics and tampons, strong combination!
Lou Reed...he took a walk on the wildside, and all the colored girls say...
Baba Louie...a Mexican burro, so trustworthy.
Linda Lou...she had long and lanky legs.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 04, 2017, 07:40:21 AM
You just have to trust a person with the name Lou.
I know I do.

Lou Gehrig... Yankee HOFer.
Lou Ferigno...hulk and body builder
Lou Ann Poovie...Gomer's best girl. Couldn't make up her mind, very agreeable though.
Mary Lou Retton...gymnastics and tampons, strong combination!
Lou Reed...he took a walk on the wildside, and all the colored girls say...
Baba Louie...a Mexican burro, so trustworthy.
Linda Lou...she had long and lanky legs.
Your posting has improved since following and admiring me.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 04, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
Your posting has improved since following and admiring me.
Yeah. I'm still mad at you for running off the only women we had on this site. One hasn't been heard from and the other moved to fucking Scotland.
Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 04, 2017, 08:38:22 AM
Yeah. I'm still mad at you for running off the only women we had on this site. One hasn't been heard from and the other moved to fucking Scotland.
Keep up the good work.
Don't have any idea what you're talking about jmar. The ladies love me. Always have. Jealous husbands? Not so much.
The only lady that I'm aware of running off was Chizzy but we somewhat made up and she occasionally stops by the x to say hi.

I just better never catch her at an x gate.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 04, 2017, 09:12:07 AM
Don't have any idea what you're talking about jmar. The ladies love me. Always have. Jealous husbands? Not so much.
The only lady that I'm aware of running off was Chizzy but we somewhat made up and she occasionally stops by the x to say hi.

I just better never catch her at an x gate.

Chad did not move to Scotland.

And Jr has been heard from.

Fake news!!!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 04, 2017, 09:19:56 AM
Who moved across the pond?  Dee?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 04, 2017, 09:48:59 AM
Yeah. I'm still mad at you for running off the only women we had on this site. One hasn't been heard from and the other moved to fucking Scotland.
Keep up the good work.

Chizad moved to Scotland?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 04, 2017, 10:05:22 AM
Chizad moved to Scotland?
Wench. What happened to Jen from Houston?
...and not Houston Co. Alabamer.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 04, 2017, 10:09:19 AM
Wench. What happened to Jen from Houston?
...and not Houston Co. Alabamer.

Circle City.  Axis of the Universe.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 04, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
Chizad moved to Scotland?
No. She hates the blacks but not that much.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 04, 2017, 02:09:24 PM
Wench. What happened to Jen from Houston?
...and not Houston Co. Alabamer.

I'll take still in Houston for 100 Alex.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 09, 2017, 03:15:50 AM
Heard this alternate theory on the B.Cunningham broadcast concerning the tragedy at the Mandalay which has connections apparently to MGM.
The guest, Wayne Root has a radio show which airs in Vegas on USA Radio. Root brought to light some information of some very coincedental if not suspicious  trading he himself learned from a source who studies large market movements.
The dates chosen run parallel to September 11th of this year through very early October with heavy trading by MGM, Smith Wesson, Sturm Ruger, Winchester ammunition and another company that produces devices used for security scanning.

This guy Root seems convinced that this was ISIS driven but at this point no one can be sure although authorities continue collecting evidence still with no clear motive.

rootforamerica.com



It's definitely worth a look see.
 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 09, 2017, 07:19:02 AM
That his father was a convicted bank robber or that he paid for rough sex seems inconsequential.

The big shooting at a casino in the Philippines, his female mate, money transfers and a trip to the U.A.E. have merit. Those investigating tend to think he acted alone but when you add up the preparation and even the bomb packed vehicle...

And he hung a do not disturb sign on his door that remained there for three days.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 09, 2017, 07:48:37 AM

And he hung a do not disturb sign on his door that remained there for three days.

I do this every time I stay at a hotel.  I don't care if I'm there for two weeks or two days, I don't want anybody coming in and out of my room.  I've had bad experiences with things going missing.  There was also the time I came back and found my toothbrush sitting on a dirty toilet rag. 

The DND hanger is not suspicious.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 09, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
I do this every time I stay at a hotel.  I don't care if I'm there for two weeks or two days, I don't want anybody coming in and out of my room.  I've had bad experiences with things going missing.  There was also the time I came back and found my toothbrush sitting on a dirty toilet rag. 

The DND hanger is not suspicious.
Not for me either however a rival hotelier there stated he would have gained entry inside of that time frame. He also said there was no security at the Mandalay per former employees and that his own hotel is heavily monitored with security, including former navy seals.
This manager did have an ongoing beef with the guy over the Mandalay so it seems he felt some incentive to discredit him.   
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 09, 2017, 11:38:46 AM
I do not know what has gotten into jmar but it's damned impressive.

"Hotelier"? And I've noticed coherence in many posts. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Prowler on October 09, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Leave it up to Trump to compliment Stephen Paddock by calling him "smart"...Should've just left it at "evil, terrorist, piece of shit".
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kaos on October 09, 2017, 05:57:13 PM
Leave it up to Trump to compliment Stephen Paddock by calling him "smart"...Should've just left it at "evil, terrorist, piece of shit".

Bitch.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 10, 2017, 12:52:01 AM
Parties aside, the guy was supposedly a 64 year old heavy drinking video poker player.

Double life?
He had a couple of planes now in the government's possession.
Was he like Barry Seal flying covert missions, a gun runner, into human trafficking or just fixed financially to have them for whatever purpose he desired?

An ISIS convert? Pfft!



Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 10, 2017, 10:09:01 AM
I'm not buying what's being put down.

Stories changing. Timelines changing. Multiple "suicide gunshots" heard on tapes. Just all around fishy.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 10, 2017, 11:25:41 AM
I'm not buying what's being put down.

Stories changing. Timelines changing. Multiple "suicide gunshots" heard on tapes. Just all around fishy.
I have zero idea. But, I do figure that if it was ISIS inspired, it had little to do with a well coordinated effort with supplied training and resources.

It was just some drunken loner bum who had access to military type weaponry. He was a whacko. And if they did inspire it, don't give them the satisfaction of admitting it.

Too late to make him an example but lets take that bump stock off the market. If it comes to needing that to fight off an oppressive government, then it can be discussed. Right now, no need for automatic like guns in the street. Sure, a copycat guy would get many with a semi but still, I just don't see the need.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 10, 2017, 12:46:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1549&v=JxmEFeKy8aI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1549&v=JxmEFeKy8aI)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 11, 2017, 09:12:24 AM
(http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/naked-gun-nothing-to-see-here-reaction-frank-drebin-police-squad-13911001861.gif)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-broken-into-despite-intense-fbi-police-interest.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-broken-into-despite-intense-fbi-police-interest.html)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 11, 2017, 09:49:01 AM
So now, not only did the "security guard" get shot 6 minutes before the largest mass shooting in US history take place, but he was also with a maintenance man when it happened?

Shit keeps changing. Like weird shit that should have been easy to outline within the first couple of hours...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jesus-campos-las-vegas-security-223728950.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/jesus-campos-las-vegas-security-223728950.html)

Quote
On Tuesday, Las Vegas Metro Police Undersheriff Kevin McMahill explained more about Campos's actions the night of the shooting, helping fill in some of what happened ahead of the attack.

He told KNPR, a local NPR affiliate, that Campos went up to the 32nd floor to investigate a door alarm. While on the 32nd floor, he found that a stairwell door was jammed and radioed down to maintenance.

Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 11, 2017, 11:06:14 AM
(http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/naked-gun-nothing-to-see-here-reaction-frank-drebin-police-squad-13911001861.gif)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-broken-into-despite-intense-fbi-police-interest.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-broken-into-despite-intense-fbi-police-interest.html)
Well there you go. So much for a legitimate investigation.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Token on October 11, 2017, 11:58:15 AM
I haven't followed enough to know all the details so I can't even give an educated guess as to what is happening but I will offer this up.  Regardless of what you see or think, the FBI is one of the most fucked up agencies I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with.  They are a bunch of book smart dumbasses who don't know shit about shit when it comes to actual police work.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 11, 2017, 12:48:46 PM
I haven't followed enough to know all the details so I can't even give an educated guess as to what is happening but I will offer this up.  Regardless of what you see or think, the FBI is one of the most fucked up agencies I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with.  They are a bunch of book smart dumbasses who don't know shit about shit when it comes to actual police work.

Well this whole investigation is fucked up for sure.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 11, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
Well this whole investigation is fucked up for sure.

That sheriff hasn't exactly impressed me either at the pressers. Maybe it's the lack of sleep. And I know it's a tough situation to be in. But the dude looks and sounds befuddled. I can't imagine David Clarke acting the same way.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 11, 2017, 01:24:14 PM
That sheriff hasn't exactly impressed me either at the pressers. Maybe it's the lack of sleep. And I know it's a tough situation to be in. But the dude looks and sounds befuddled. I can't imagine David Clarke acting the same way.

Not sure David Clark had the FBI all over him telling him what to say...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Token on October 11, 2017, 04:47:47 PM
Not sure David Clark had the FBI all over him telling him what to say...

I can't even began to explain how true of a statement this is.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: GH2001 on October 11, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
Not sure David Clark had the FBI all over him telling him what to say...

That's exactly what it looks like. Almost like he's nervously reading from a script. It's just weird.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 12, 2017, 12:40:09 AM
Rather than secure the home of the alleged most notorious shooter in modern day history the FBI allows the location to be vandalized.
And they admit it. Why?
Fear of being exposed?
Are they waiting for a call?
Lack of resources? :facepalm:
I suppose the general public will blindly accept the narrative and go along with whatever they're fed.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Prowler on October 12, 2017, 04:21:20 AM
Starting to look like he was working with the FBI, kinda like what I heard a few days ago that he was a gun runner.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 12, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
 :facepalm:
Starting to look like he was working with the FBI, kinda like what I heard a few days ago that he was a gun runner.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 12, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
Just got back from Sin City early this morning.  We already had a show booked in Mandalay Bay before the shooting happened.  I didn't go nosing around but I did have to stop and get a perspective on everything.  Obviously, not much to see with MB itself.  Just two boarded up windows 32 stories up.  I only saw the concert venue driving slowly by and stuck in traffic beside it. It's right up next to the road. The place still looks to be a wreck and you can see where the cover over the stage is all torn up from the bullets. Memorials lining the median.

We got there 5 days after this happened but it didn't take long to realize there ain't much that slows this city down.  I don't know what I was expecting.  Maybe a little more somber mood?  Oh hell no!  That place is open for bidenzz.  What was I thinking?  Other than #vegasstrong on everything and video boards thanking the first responders, there was never a mention of it by anyone, local or tourist.   
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: AUJarhead on October 12, 2017, 05:07:51 PM
How were the hookers?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 12, 2017, 05:08:57 PM
How was the hooker?

He is old.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 12, 2017, 06:53:11 PM
How were the hookers?

They were insanely good.  Especially after snorting Foerster level blow.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 13, 2017, 08:31:21 AM
I suppose the general public will blindly accept the narrative and go along with whatever they're fed.
You mean like they do every other "news" story they are fed?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 13, 2017, 08:45:53 AM
You mean like they do every other "news" story they are fed?
Correct...or even an occaisional omitted detail like traces of thermite present at ground zero.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bgreene on October 13, 2017, 09:16:33 AM
I haven't followed enough to know all the details so I can't even give an educated guess as to what is happening but I will offer this up.  Regardless of what you see or think, the FBI is one of the most fucked up agencies I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with.  They are a bunch of book smart dumbasses who don't know shit about shit when it comes to actual police work.

amen!!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bgreene on October 13, 2017, 09:19:31 AM
I read yesterday that Campos was arrested as the second shooter.  I don't remember what site it was on and I don't know if there is any truth to that at all.  Has anyone heard anything of the sorts?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: jmar on October 13, 2017, 09:29:38 AM
I read yesterday that Campos was arrested as the second shooter.  I don't remember what site it was on and I don't know if there is any truth to that at all.  Has anyone heard anything of the sorts?
Negative. I only read (from as much as 18 hours ago) that the timeline doesn't match up. Nothing more. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 13, 2017, 11:47:35 AM
Campos hasn't been arrested. He was supposed to be on Sean Hanity last night...but...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html)

Some crazy shit going down...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 13, 2017, 11:48:45 AM
Just got back from Sin City early this morning.  We already had a show booked in Mandalay Bay before the shooting happened.  I didn't go nosing around but I did have to stop and get a perspective on everything.  Obviously, not much to see with MB itself.  Just two boarded up windows 32 stories up.  I only saw the concert venue driving slowly by and stuck in traffic beside it. It's right up next to the road. The place still looks to be a wreck and you can see where the cover over the stage is all torn up from the bullets. Memorials lining the median.

We got there 5 days after this happened but it didn't take long to realize there ain't much that slows this city down.  I don't know what I was expecting.  Maybe a little more somber mood?  Oh hell no!  That place is open for bidenzz.  What was I thinking?  Other than #vegasstrong on everything and video boards thanking the first responders, there was never a mention of it by anyone, local or tourist.   

Did you hear anything about other shooters at other casinos?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bgreene on October 13, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
Go figure, CNN

https://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3468811-fake-news-police-did-not-arrest-mandalay-security-guard-jesus-compos-as-second-shooter-in-las-vegas-.html
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 13, 2017, 02:56:29 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/918907427524956161 (https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/918907427524956161)

Guess what. The story changed again.

This smells of MB covering their ass from a law suit. There is no way that authorities are this fucking clueless...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Vladimir on October 13, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/918907427524956161 (https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/918907427524956161)

Guess what. The story changed again.

This smells of MB covering their ass from a law suit. There is no way that authorities are this fudgeing clueless...
You do realize that Token is o e of these so called "authorities", don't you?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 13, 2017, 03:27:22 PM
Did you hear anything about other shooters at other casinos?

Not a word.  Personally, I don't buy into one bit of the conspiracy theory garbage.  Or the other shooter(s) talk.  Every eye/ear witness account I've heard has been one gun firing.  Long pause to reload or change guns.  One gun firing.  Long pause. One gun....

Now honestly, I can believe things like the FBI wanting to cover up some bunglings or mishandling of this situation.  I don't know what that would be.  Maybe they had this guy on their radar at one time but let him fall through the cracks and now they don't want egg (Dead bodies) on their face.  Could be anything.  But my belief is it was a well-planned, methodically carried out attack by this one guy. Whether he was carrying it out on behalf of Allah Ha Allaha BarBar or if he was just a deranged, psychopath that wanted to go out in his own version of a blaze of glory, I hope time will give us the answers. 

As for the police.  It flat out pisses me off to hear anyone start to question their reaction to this.  I even heard Tucker Carlson on Fox start in with the response time line questions.  I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that when the calls came in about somebody blowing away concert goers on the Strip, that they did anything other than bust their collective asses to get there, figure out the situation and do everything in their power to stop it.  The shooting lasted for 10 minutes.  Does anyone realistically believe that the police could drive there, figure out that it's coming from a particular room on the 32nd floor, get up there and stop it in less time? 

Token, bgreene....tell me, if there was an outdoor concert in your city and someone up on a hillside one thousand feet away opened fire on the crowd, how long would it take you to neutralize the situation?   
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 13, 2017, 03:46:08 PM
Not a word.  Personally, I don't buy into one bit of the conspiracy theory garbage.  Or the other shooter(s) talk.  Every eye/ear witness account I've heard has been one gun firing.  Long pause to reload or change guns.  One gun firing.  Long pause. One gun....

Now honestly, I can believe things like the FBI wanting to cover up some bunglings or mishandling of this situation.  I don't know what that would be.  Maybe they had this guy on their radar at one time but let him fall through the cracks and now they don't want egg (Dead bodies) on their face.  Could be anything.  But my belief is it was a well-planned, methodically carried out attack by this one guy. Whether he was carrying it out on behalf of Allah Ha Allaha BarBar or if he was just a deranged, psychopath that wanted to go out in his own version of a blaze of glory, I hope time will give us the answers. 

As for the police.  It flat out pisses me off to hear anyone start to question their reaction to this.  I even heard Tucker Carlson on Fox start in with the response time line questions.  I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that when the calls came in about somebody blowing away concert goers on the Strip, that they did anything other than bust their collective asses to get there, figure out the situation and do everything in their power to stop it.  The shooting lasted for 10 minutes.  Does anyone realistically believe that the police could drive there, figure out that it's coming from a particular room on the 32nd floor, get up there and stop it in less time? 

Token, bgreene....tell me, if there was an outdoor concert in your city and someone up on a hillside one thousand feet away opened fire on the crowd, how long would it take you to neutralize the situation?   

Not what I was talking about. I meant at other casinos in Vegas that night. There are reports that there were other shooters on the other side of the strip.

There are several facebook posts that said there were other shooters in other casinos And also there was a picture floating around that showed armed guards walking through one of the casinos with weapons drawn. Just wondering how legit those were.

And I don't fault the police for not getting there in time. That is 100% not a concern of mine. I do think that timelines keep changing because people are covering their asses from law suits. And I do think its crazy that this dude supposedly planned every bit of this and did it 100% on the downlow with no one knowing about it. And I do think it's weird that stories keep changing as to when he was even checked in to the hotel or that particular room. I also find it weird that the story is out that this hero security gaurd stopped the shooting and heroically got shot, come to find out 8 days later that the security was shot 6 minutes before, and now got shot when the other shooting started. I also do find it odd that the dude just decided to off himself, especially since the gaurd DIDN'T actually stop him from shooting, when there were no police presence up in the hallway, and he had cameras set up to detect when people approached. It all just doesn't make sense.

I wasn't going to type that much and sorry for the long paragraph, but I got rolling and don't feel like editing now. There are so many other questions too that make me believe this wasn't just some random dude doing this...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 13, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
The shooters in other casinos was what my daughter was texting us that night while they were on lock down.  That theory presumably came from the fact that there were injured, bloodied people seeking cover in any building they could down the strip.  There were some that ran into the hotel lobby where my daughter's show is and that's why she and her cast mates ran to the nearest bathroom and locked themselves in, thinking people were being blown away in that building. Texts were flying all over with people thinking the whole Strip was under attack.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CCTAU on October 26, 2017, 08:20:01 AM
The left has backed off of their gun control diatribes a bit here lately.
Is this because every day the conspiracy grows:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/25/stephen-paddock-removed-hard-drive-from-laptop-found-in-las-vegas-hotel-room-report-says.html
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: AUJarhead on October 26, 2017, 08:23:49 AM
The left has backed off of their gun control diatribes a bit here lately.
Is this because every day the conspiracy grows:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/25/stephen-paddock-removed-hard-drive-from-laptop-found-in-las-vegas-hotel-room-report-says.html

This is what doesn’t make sense to me. If he removed the hard drive prior to checkin, why bring the laptop without hard drive in the first place?  If he intended to ditch the laptop hard drive while in Vegas, why leave the laptop in the hotel room at all?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 26, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
The plot thickens.
Think he was asking too many questions?  Or maybe he knew something was up?
** so, they can find kiddie porn on his laptop, but they can't actually find the hard drive from his brother's?**
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/10/26/brother-of-las-vegas-shooter-arrested-on-child-porn-charges/?utm_term=.0b6c4f0ddd9d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/10/26/brother-of-las-vegas-shooter-arrested-on-child-porn-charges/?utm_term=.0b6c4f0ddd9d)

Quote
Brother of Las Vegas shooter arrested on child porn charges
By Susan Hogan October 26 at 5:02 AM
 Bruce Douglas Paddock (Los Angeles Police Department)
Detectives from the Los Angeles Police Department said Wednesday that they had arrested the brother of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock on suspicion of possessing “over 600 images of child pornography.”

Bruce Douglas Paddock, 59, was arrested in North Hollywood on a 20-count felony complaint related to possession of child pornography and the sexual exploitation of children, according to a news release.

Earlier this month, Paddock’s brother, Stephen, opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers on the Las Vegas Strip, killing at least 58 people and injuring more than 500  before taking his own life. The Oct. 1 mass shooting was the deadliest in U.S. history.

Bruce Paddock was being held Wednesday at the LAPD’s Metropolitan Detention Center, according to a news release. Law enforcement confirmed that he is Stephen Paddock’s brother, the Associated Press reported.

Police said the investigation into Bruce Paddock was launched after evidence was discovered inside a business in the Sun Valley area of Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CCTAU on January 22, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
Quietly this continues to be a very odd situation:

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