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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on June 12, 2016, 08:52:40 AM
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Isn't Orlando supposed to be the ultimate family vacation fun destination? Might want to hold off on that trip you have booked. On Friday night after a concert, Christina Grimmie, who was a finalist on "The Voice" a couple of years ago, is shot in the head while signing autographs. Then last night, or early this morning, someone goes into teh gay club and starts shooting. Last count was 20 dead and over 40 wounded.
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Isn't Orlando supposed to be the ultimate family vacation fun destination? Might want to hold off on that trip you have booked. On Friday night after a concert, Christina Grimmie, who was a finalist on "The Voice" a couple of years ago, is shot in the head while signing autographs. Then last night, or early this morning, someone goes into teh gay club and starts shooting. Last count was 20 dead and over 40 wounded.
Gay club? Oh boy. Can't wait to hear the media and left wing politicians start up on their right wing and gun rhetoric.
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Shooter is/was Muslim. U.S. born with Afghani parents. Kudos to the police and SWAT team for making the decision to storm the building. He'd had hostages for several hours.
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Gay club? Oh boy. Can't wait to hear the media and left wing politicians start up on their right wing and gun rhetoric.
It's the destruction of western civilization. It's over in Europe and it's happening here now. I for one cannot comprehend how the LGBTQ community can support the left while they are empowering a war machine that has executed gays since its existence.
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5 minutes is how long it took the President of the United States to remind us how easy it is to get a weapon to kill people with, and that we should do something about it. No mention of Islamic terrorist.
Yes, the guns are the problems.
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I'm certain now that Trump will be the next president.
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I'm blaming Killary, Barracks, GHW Fuckstick, Mindless Dubya and Useless Jeb for errthang. Guns don't kill people, ideology does.
http://www.bbc.com/news/36510272
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Shooter is/was Muslim. U.S. born with Afghani parents. Kudos to the police and SWAT team for making the decision to storm the building. He'd had hostages for several hours.
Enjoy while you have it. I'm not going to steer this thread away from what it should be about....Islamic Terrorist and our countries inability to deal with the issue.... But I do want to leave this here since you mention it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/12/10/new-style-of-police-training-aims-to-produce-guardians-not-warriors/
There is a strong push that will eventually win. In my life, I will see a police state that does not have members of the police force who will have what it takes to deal with a man who is willing to kill and die for his beliefs. We don't recruit military members anymore. We don't recruit or encourage alpha males. We instead are looking to the land of academia to deal with law enforcement because we don't want to see a military style police. But I can tell you, it takes more than most people can imagine to run into a building where your demise could be around the corner to deal with an active shooter. The kind of man that has that in his bones, we don't want anymore. We want the out of shape, soft spoken thinker to deal with all of our problems. Unfortunately, that guy is going to get his ass kicked or killed, along with anyone he's trying to help, when Mr. Don't give a fuck is ready to kill and isn't capable of reason.
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Up to 50 dead and 53 wounded. Holy shit, what did this guy use?
And ISIS is taking credit for the attack.
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It's the destruction of western civilization. It's over in Europe and it's happening here now. I for one cannot comprehend how the LGBTQ community can support the left while they are empowering a war machine that has executed gays since its existence.
Chizzy claims that he doesn't support the left, yet he loves johnson. So, it's not ALL of you people.
Obviously, the loss of life and injuries are the worst part. But second to that is the apparent hesitancy to call it like it is. What other "investigating" needs to be done when you have a young Muslim man committing mass murder? Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out it's terrorism.
But they will continue to mostly blame the guns. I have no idea why he didn't choose explosives but I would think that more gun control helps terrorists.
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Enjoy while you have it. I'm not going to steer this thread away from what it should be about....Islamic Terrorist and our countries inability to deal with the issue.... But I do want to leave this here since you mention it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/12/10/new-style-of-police-training-aims-to-produce-guardians-not-warriors/
There is a strong push that will eventually win. In my life, I will see a police state that does not have members of the police force who will have what it takes to deal with a man who is willing to kill and die for his beliefs. We don't recruit military members anymore. We don't recruit or encourage alpha males. We instead are looking to the land of academia to deal with law enforcement because we don't want to see a military style police. But I can tell you, it takes more than most people can imagine to run into a building where your demise could be around the corner to deal with an active shooter. The kind of man that has that in his bones, we don't want anymore. We want the out of shape, soft spoken thinker to deal with all of our problems. Unfortunately, that guy is going to get his ass kicked or killed, along with anyone he's trying to help, when Mr. Don't give a fuck is ready to kill and isn't capable of reason.
Is this a British quote!
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I'm certain now that Trump will be the next president.
Yup.
Hillary sealed it by blaming guns instead of addressing the actual problem...radical Islam...
Since they refuse to talk about it at all, we're left with Trump who, while he talks about it like like the despicable idiot he is, at least is talking about it, and capitalizes.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976
Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!
"Appreciate the congrats…"
On the biggest mass shooting in US history…
There are no good guys...
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Yup.
Hillary sealed it by blaming guns instead of addressing the actual problem...radical Islam...
Since they refuse to talk about it at all, we're left with Trump who, while he talks about it like like the despicable idiot he is, at least is talking about it, and capitalizes.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976
"Appreciate the congrats…"
On the biggest mass shooting in US history…
There are no good guys...
What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Are we such a shitty country that we can't get a better group of candidates? Have we did something to deserve this?
Jesus.
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Have we did something to deserve this?
Israelites used to say the same thing when they would fall into captivity. The answer is "Yes, you have abandoned a love for God for the love of this life" just like it was then. Circle of life, man. Nothing new under the sun. When America goes, it may or may not be the end of the entire show. I think it may just be another one biting the dust like the Romans, the Babylonians, and so on.
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What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Are we such a shitty country that we can't get a better group of candidates? Have we did something to deserve this?
Jesus.
More of what I'm talking about. Yes he's at least addressing it, but doing so like the idiot that he is.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742096033207844864
What has happened in Orlando is just the beginning. Our leadership is weak and ineffective. I called it and asked for the ban. Must be tough
The dude was born in the United States. Immigration had nothing to do with this. What ban would stop this?
This is exactly as inept as Hillary and others circling the gun control wagons. What law would have prevented this licensed security guard who passed two background checks from getting his gun?
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From what I've read, the FBI zeroed onto this dude twice but closed both cases. I want to know more about that. Who closed these investigations and for what reason? Was there pressure from someone higher to do so? Something was there which triggered a flag on this guy and for some reason it was ignored. 50 people lay dead due to this bumbling incompetence.
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More of what I'm talking about. Yes he's at least addressing it, but doing so like the idiot that he is.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742096033207844864The dude was born in the United States. Immigration had nothing to do with this. What ban would stop this?
This is exactly as inept as Hillary and others circling the gun control wagons. What law would have prevented this licensed security guard who passed two background checks from getting his gun?
Fuck a monkey. Really?
What good will the ban do? At least it till keep MORE of these lunatic motherfucks from pouring into the country. It will give us the opportunity to deal with what's already here and prevent a motherfucking coup by immigration. It will give our investigative bodies more time to handle what is already here instead of having to fight against a surge of potential new threats.
Boy that trump is so dumb.
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From what I've read, the FBI zeroed onto this dude twice but closed both cases. I want to know more about that. Who closed these investigations and for what reason? Was there pressure from someone higher to do so? Something was there which triggered a flag on this guy and for some reason it was ignored. 50 people lay dead due to this bumbling incompetence.
I saw the interview with the FBI guy. In both cases, he said they did their due diligence and interviewed witnesses, did background checks, interviewed him twice, put him under surveillance, but there just wasn't enough to keep going.
You're military. I'm not even pretending to tell you something you don't already know. But the thing is for me, with terrorism, how in the hell do you police everybody? They're the ultimate cowards. Attacking defenseless people with no warning. I've said this before. If someone wanted to load a Cesna with explosives and take off from some backwoods airport and crash it 5 minutes later into a football stadium packed with 75,000 plus people...how do you stop that? Virtually impossible unless you get a tip or stumble across something.
This was the worst mass shooting in American history. Think about that. Trump is saying "I told you so" and Obama is saying "If he didn't have an assault rifle...". Screw both of you. If he couldn't get an assault rifle.....you ever heard of a car bomb in Baghdad?
I have no clue what the answer is.
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Yup.
Hillary sealed it by blaming guns instead of addressing the actual problem...radical Islam...
Since they refuse to talk about it at all, we're left with Trump who, while he talks about it like like the despicable idiot he is, at least is talking about it, and capitalizes.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976
"Appreciate the congrats…"
On the biggest mass shooting in US history…
There are no good guys...
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He's not happy that it happened, for fuck's sake. Somebody praised him. He said essentially "thanks, but that's not what matters..."
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. At all.
When I was right about Chizik (before I was wrong) and ya'll came around, I'm sure I said "thanks, but what are we gonna do about it?"
Same thing.
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I saw the interview with the FBI guy. In both cases, he said they did their due diligence and interviewed witnesses, did background checks, interviewed him twice, put him under surveillance, but there just wasn't enough to keep going.
You're military. I'm not even pretending to tell you something you don't already know. But the thing is for me, with terrorism, how in the hell do you police everybody? They're the ultimate cowards. Attacking defenseless people with no warning. I've said this before. If someone wanted to load a Cesna with explosives and take off from some backwoods airport and crash it 5 minutes later into a football stadium packed with 75,000 plus people...how do you stop that? Virtually impossible unless you get a tip or stumble across something.
This was the worst mass shooting in American history. Think about that. Trump is saying "I told you so" and Obama is saying "If he didn't have an assault rifle...". Screw both of you. If he couldn't get an assault rifle.....you ever heard of a car bomb in Baghdad?
I have no clue what the answer is.
Someone should ask Obama if pencils misspell words.
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He's not happy that it happened, for fuck's sake. Somebody praised him. He said essentially "thanks, but that's not what matters..."
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. At all.
When I was right about Chizik (before I was wrong) and ya'll came around, I'm sure I said "thanks, but what are we gonna do about it?"
Same thing.
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That was kind of what I got from it. A "yeah yeah thanks for the kind words man but this is a tragedy and what I've been trying to tell people about"
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That was kind of what I got from it. A "yeah yeah thanks for the kind words man but this is a tragedy and what I've been trying to tell people about"
Sad part is that most are only reporting the "Thanks for the congrats" and not the full quote.
And Morons are going with it!
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Sad part is that most are only reporting the "Thanks for the congrats" and not the full quote.
And Morons are going with it!
Context and quote mining can be everything in big media. But I've been told it means nothing.
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Was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and Greenberg said something that hit home with me. Paraphrasing..he said he hopes a day will come where we're actually shocked again by this kind of thing.
He's right. It seems that every 3-4 months we get some tragedy like Orlando. Whether it's 2 teenagers trying to blow everyone away at their High School or some guy taking a gun to an elementary school and executing kids or the San Bernadino shootings or Paris or a black Carolina church or a movie theater...and now Orlando....
You see this unthinkable, senseless tragedy occur and really just chalk up another one and wonder when and where the next one will be.
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Was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and Greenberg said something that hit home with me. Paraphrasing..he said he hopes a day will come where we're actually shocked again by this kind of thing.
He's right. It seems that every 3-4 months we get some tragedy like Orlando. Whether it's 2 teenagers trying to blow everyone away at their High School or some guy taking a gun to an elementary school and executing kids or the San Bernadino shootings or Paris or a black Carolina church or a movie theater...and now Orlando....
You see this unthinkable, senseless tragedy occur and really just chalk up another one and wonder when and where the next one will be.
I would say the odds are very high it will be in a "Gun free zone" again. They seem to work so well.
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I would say the odds are very high it will be in a "Gun free zone" again. They seem to work so well.
With a 90% chance that it is committed by a follower of one particular religion which, for some strange and inexplicable reason, is considered a sacred cow by our clueless and inept politicians.
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With a 90% chance that it is committed by a follower of one particular religion which, for some strange and inexplicable reason, is considered a sacred cow by our clueless and inept politicians.
Those Christians are bad!!!
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Those Christians are bad!!!
Damn holy rolling, red state dwelling, confederate flag waving Christians.
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Damn holy rolling, red state dwelling, confederate flag waving Christians.
You forgot Bible thumping and gun toting.
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You forgot Bible thumping and gun toting.
That's implied by the red state dwelling adjective.
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THIS is what's wrong with this country:
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/failure_to_acknowledge_that_th.html
"It's a hate crime if you don't say the victims are gay!!"
Oh fuck you, asshole.
Everybody wants to coopt events to advance their own personal agendas.
Fifty PEOPLE are dead. Classifying them is bullshit.
This motherfucker doesn't know the meaning of the words "hate crime". Maybe his soft privileged ass should spend some time in the Middle East.
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Holy shit, how amazingly unnecessary and misguided that piece was. Well, to be fair, I shouldn't judge too harshly because I couldn't get past the first 3 paragraphs before face palming and clicking off it.
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What a fucking dweeb Hammontree or whatever his name is. I'm sure he will likely hold one in his mouth until the swelling goes down and that's his biz. But he's def trying to promote some agenda with this piece of shit article.
I do not care if the victims were gay, black, nazi, republican or socialist. Why in the fuck should that matter to anyone who really cares about humanity and justice?
This guy is a shitty writer and should stick to blogs. :facepalm:
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This guy is a shitty writer and should stick to blogs. :facepalm:
Well, he writes for al.com so.......
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I saw a post yesterday on the facebook taking a jab at the fact that nobody is changing their profile picture to the American flag. Instead we are worried about what group the victims were part of...it's sad.
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The coward went to the gun shop 3 times shortly before the massacre. He bought a Sig Sauer .223 Assault Rifle and a Glock 17. After reading up on that assault rifle, I can easily see how dozens were killed pretty quick. Question for the gun enthusiasts:
I'm a gun owner myself. Used to do a lot of hunting years ago and owned everything from a .22 to a 7 mm. I fully believe in our right to bear arms...bear arms sounds like we're going to war....own guns. And I also fully believe that if guns were taken away, guys like this would simply do what his cowardly brethren (And let's not forget that we have our own collection of cooks here in America) in the Middle East do on a daily basis. Fill a car with explosives and blow it up in a crowded place. Or strap them to his own body and press the button and look for his 72 virgins.
But, I'm honestly starting to question the reason that weapons like this are readily available to the public. Especially someone that's been under FBI investigation not once, but twice. I understand owning guns for hunting, skeet shooting, recreational shooting and obviously, protection. But what's the purpose of the average citizen owning assault rifles? Is it just a rush to shoot them? Schoolify me on the subject.
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The coward went to the gun shop 3 times shortly before the massacre. He bought a Sig Sauer .223 Assault Rifle and a Glock 17. After reading up on that assault rifle, I can easily see how dozens were killed pretty quick. Question for the gun enthusiasts:
I'm a gun owner myself. Used to do a lot of hunting years ago and owned everything from a .22 to a 7 mm. I fully believe in our right to bear arms...bear arms sounds like we're going to war....own guns. And I also fully believe that if guns were taken away, guys like this would simply do what his cowardly brethren (And let's not forget that we have our own collection of cooks here in America) in the Middle East do on a daily basis. Fill a car with explosives and blow it up in a crowded place. Or strap them to his own body and press the button and look for his 72 virgins.
But, I'm honestly starting to question the reason that weapons like this are readily available to the public. Especially someone that's been under FBI investigation not once, but twice. I understand owning guns for hunting, skeet shooting, recreational shooting and obviously, protection. But what's the purpose of the average citizen owning assault rifles? Is it just a rush to shoot them? Schoolify me on the subject.
Because your right to bear arms is to protect the citizens from a tyrannical government. If and when the government decides to trash the constitution and overthrow our republic, you will be glad that you had access to these types of weapons.
You can buy a Glock that holds 15 rounds. You can kill just as many people with two of those as you can with a 30 round semi automatic rifle. It is not the gun that kills people.
BTW, I don't own a single gun. Just believe in everyone's rights to do so.
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The coward went to the gun shop 3 times shortly before the massacre. He bought a Sig Sauer .223 Assault Rifle and a Glock 17. After reading up on that assault rifle, I can easily see how dozens were killed pretty quick. Question for the gun enthusiasts:
I'm a gun owner myself. Used to do a lot of hunting years ago and owned everything from a .22 to a 7 mm. I fully believe in our right to bear arms...bear arms sounds like we're going to war....own guns. And I also fully believe that if guns were taken away, guys like this would simply do what his cowardly brethren (And let's not forget that we have our own collection of cooks here in America) in the Middle East do on a daily basis. Fill a car with explosives and blow it up in a crowded place. Or strap them to his own body and press the button and look for his 72 virgins.
But, I'm honestly starting to question the reason that weapons like this are readily available to the public. Especially someone that's been under FBI investigation not once, but twice. I understand owning guns for hunting, skeet shooting, recreational shooting and obviously, protection. But what's the purpose of the average citizen owning assault rifles? Is it just a rush to shoot them? Schoolify me on the subject.
Because the question becomes "who gets to say".
Do you want Hillary's wrinkled whore ass deciding which weapons are fine and which aren't? Who then? And if that person can decide which guns, can't they also decide which cars it's ok to drive? Which stores are ok to shop? Which church you need to attend?
Just a door that shouldn't be opened.
Government? Get the fuck out.
Pave my roads, maintain the military, enforce laws designed to keep us from killing, raping and stealing, make sure we have fire and police departments. Otherwise? Go home.
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On the biggest mass shooting in US history…
Wounded Knee would like a word.
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Wounded Knee would like a word.
Before facebook, doesn't count. :facepalm:
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Wounded Knee would like a word.
Do arrows count?
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The coward went to the gun shop 3 times shortly before the massacre. He bought a Sig Sauer .223 Assault Rifle and a Glock 17. After reading up on that assault rifle, I can easily see how dozens were killed pretty quick. Question for the gun enthusiasts:
I'm a gun owner myself. Used to do a lot of hunting years ago and owned everything from a .22 to a 7 mm. I fully believe in our right to bear arms...bear arms sounds like we're going to war....own guns. And I also fully believe that if guns were taken away, guys like this would simply do what his cowardly brethren (And let's not forget that we have our own collection of cooks here in America) in the Middle East do on a daily basis. Fill a car with explosives and blow it up in a crowded place. Or strap them to his own body and press the button and look for his 72 virgins.
But, I'm honestly starting to question the reason that weapons like this are readily available to the public. Especially someone that's been under FBI investigation not once, but twice. I understand owning guns for hunting, skeet shooting, recreational shooting and obviously, protection. But what's the purpose of the average citizen owning assault rifles? Is it just a rush to shoot them? Schoolify me on the subject.
Just a couple of things because I'm weird and these things perturb me:
- assault rifle has been purposely given a bad connotation for political reasons. All it is is a gun that is semi in nature (one trigger pull, one bullet fired) and rifled.
- AR as in "AR15 .223" like the one used - does NOT stand for assault rifle. It's is armalite rifle.
- assault "weapon" is an invented term by anti gun lobbyists and legislators circa 1994 with clintons awb. It expired during bushs term and they (Feinstein and her Ilk) have been trying to pass another ever since. The 94 bill did nothing good statistically.
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Just a couple of things because I'm weird and these things perturb me:
- assault rifle has been purposely given a bad connotation for political reasons. All it is is a gun that is semi in nature (one trigger pull, one bullet fired) and rifled.
- AR as in "AR15 .223" like the one used - does NOT stand for assault rifle. It's is armalite rifle.
- assault "weapon" is an invented term by anti gun lobbyists and legislators circa 1994 with clintons awb. It expired during bushs term and they (Feinstein and her Ilk) have been trying to pass another ever since. The 94 bill did nothing good statistically.
And to a point, all weapons when used wrongly are assault weapons. Here in Tejas, we have a lot of folks carrying weapons. They have gun free zones here that are not enforceable, (Stores, restaurants and such) I can almost guess that if I am in a place and I see 10 people at least 4 are carrying. ( I know one is)
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Do arrows count?
Only through the heart.
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And to a point, all weapons when used wrongly are assault weapons. Here in Tejas, we have a lot of folks carrying weapons. They have gun free zones here that are not enforceable, (Stores, restaurants and such) I can almost guess that if I am in a place and I see 10 people at least 4 are carrying. ( I know one is)
It's nice living in a part of the country where concealed carry is not frowned upon. They tend to be responsible people. It's the open carry idiots that give gun owners a bad name. No reason a redneck needs to go into an eating establishment and place an Ak on the table fully loaded. It's purely a head issue they have. Concealed is safe and gets the job done.
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I get the whole "Guns don't kill people..." argument. Agree with it. And I'll take my chances with our government not overthrowing the republic. That ain't happening. I may eventually move to a Caribbean island when idiot policies like Obama Care hit too hard or the guilt from my white privilege becomes too much for me to bear. But there will never be a time when I'm taking my family and my guns and heading to the woods to avoid getting kilt by my own police or military. Not gonna' waste one minute of time worrying or even thinking about it.
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The coward went to the gun shop 3 times shortly before the massacre. He bought a Sig Sauer .223 Assault Rifle and a Glock 17. After reading up on that assault rifle, I can easily see how dozens were killed pretty quick. Question for the gun enthusiasts:
I'm a gun owner myself. Used to do a lot of hunting years ago and owned everything from a .22 to a 7 mm. I fully believe in our right to bear arms...bear arms sounds like we're going to war....own guns. And I also fully believe that if guns were taken away, guys like this would simply do what his cowardly brethren (And let's not forget that we have our own collection of cooks here in America) in the Middle East do on a daily basis. Fill a car with explosives and blow it up in a crowded place. Or strap them to his own body and press the button and look for his 72 virgins.
But, I'm honestly starting to question the reason that weapons like this are readily available to the public. Especially someone that's been under FBI investigation not once, but twice. I understand owning guns for hunting, skeet shooting, recreational shooting and obviously, protection. But what's the purpose of the average citizen owning assault rifles? Is it just a rush to shoot them? Schoolify me on the subject.
For the record, a .30-06 scares me as much or more than an AR-15. A man ready to kill, with a plan, behind a scoped .30-06 is terrifying thought. Asshole in a crowded room of people not willing to fight between mag changes is easy pickings, no doubt. But he could have did the same amount of killing with ANY firearm in those circumstances.
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It's nice living in a part of the country where concealed carry is not frowned upon. They tend to be responsible people. It's the open carry idiots that give gun owners a bad name. No reason a redneck needs to go into an eating establishment and place an Ak on the table fully loaded. It's purely a head issue they have. Concealed is safe and gets the job done.
Yea, those folks worry me, its like they are looking for a gun fight. And not once in their life have they ever had a round go over their head. (it gets your attention). My concern with those folks is that next time they have an event like where the two guys got killed by local Texas police, it will be swarming with local gun folks sitting in their cars waiting on something.
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For the record, a .30-06 scares me as much or more than an AR-15. A man ready to kill, with a plan, behind a scoped .30-06 is terrifying thought. Asshole in a crowded room of people not willing to fight between mag changes is easy pickings, no doubt. But he could have did the same amount of killing with ANY firearm in those circumstances.
One person, trained and armed in that crowd could have prevented most/some of the killing.
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I get the whole "Guns don't kill people..." argument. Agree with it. And I'll take my chances with our government not overthrowing the republic. That ain't happening. I may eventually move to a Caribbean island when idiot policies like Obama Care hit too hard or the guilt from my white privilege becomes too much for me to bear. But there will never be a time when I'm taking my family and my guns and heading to the woods to avoid getting kilt by my own police or military. Not gonna' waste one minute of time worrying or even thinking about it.
Been a while since I was in but I am pretty sure we don't go after low level targets. :thumsup:
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It's nice living in a part of the country where concealed carry is not frowned upon. They tend to be responsible people. It's the open carry idiots that give gun owners a bad name. No reason a redneck needs to go into an eating establishment and place an Ak on the table fully loaded. It's purely a head issue they have. Concealed is safe and gets the job done.
All that dumbass is doing is giving a mental person who can't purchase that type of weapon the means to get his hands on one and kill a bunch of people. I'm willing to bet that less than 10% of open carry morons have any training on weapon retention.
Carry your weapon. Train with your weapon. But don't show the crazy gun wielding killer your weapon until you have to do it. He won't be expecting it, you have the upper hand. BUT BUT BUT, when you hear sirens you better have already handled business or be willing to throw your gun down and lay down. Because you don't want to be the guy holding the gun in a public place when 20 officers are responding to active shooter. They aren't going to ask questions, they aren't going to be reasonable and you will likely be considered the threat. So gun enthusiast be aware of that.
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All that dumbass is doing is giving a mental person who can't purchase that type of weapon the means to get his hands on one and kill a bunch of people. I'm willing to bet that less than 10% of open carry morons have any training on weapon retention.
Carry your weapon. Train with your weapon. But don't show the crazy gun wielding killer your weapon until you have to do it. He won't be expecting it, you have the upper hand. BUT BUT BUT, when you hear sirens you better have already handled business or be willing to throw your gun down and lay down. Because you don't want to be the guy holding the gun in a public place when 20 officers are responding to active shooter. They aren't going to ask questions, they aren't going to be reasonable and you will likely be considered the threat. So gun enthusiast be aware of that.
If memory serves during training (MOUT) Military operations in urban terrain, that if we didn't drop our target within the first 10 to 15 seconds our likely hood of survival decreased greatly. So the moral of the story either hit your target or become one.
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All that dumbass is doing is giving a mental person who can't purchase that type of weapon the means to get his hands on one and kill a bunch of people. I'm willing to bet that less than 10% of open carry morons have any training on weapon retention.
Carry your weapon. Train with your weapon. But don't show the crazy gun wielding killer your weapon until you have to do it. He won't be expecting it, you have the upper hand. BUT BUT BUT, when you hear sirens you better have already handled business or be willing to throw your gun down and lay down. Because you don't want to be the guy holding the gun in a public place when 20 officers are responding to active shooter. They aren't going to ask questions, they aren't going to be reasonable and you will likely be considered the threat. So gun enthusiast be aware of that.
This. I carry every day but only my boss and his boss know I do. I don't want that one motherfucker knowing where it's coming from.
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This. I carry every day but only my boss and his boss know I do. I don't want that one motherfucker knowing where it's coming from.
So I guess I don't need to be a smart mouth around you next time we're drinking at x gate? Noted.
Srs though. The bammer cop is spot on with that response. In the end, a gun is a right. But it's still also a deadly weapon. Treat it as such and respect it.
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For the record, a .30-06 scares me as much or more than an AR-15. A man ready to kill, with a plan, behind a scoped .30-06 is terrifying thought. Asshole in a crowded room of people not willing to fight between mag changes is easy pickings, no doubt. But he could have did the same amount of killing with ANY firearm in those circumstances.
In the end, I'll to defer to you on this but please to be explaining. In particular, the "any firearm" statement. Yes, it was obvious that no one in that club was prepared and/or willing to fight back. But they were trying to get the hell out of there. Put yourself in the coward's (Shooters) shoes, with the stipulation of you knowing what you know given your training and experience.
Your plan is to go to this club, where several hundred people are. You want to take out as many as possible, as quickly as possible. You know it will be utter chaos once you start shooting with people running for the exits. What you have available is whatever weapons you can purchase at the local gun shop. You can choose one firearm and enough ammo to reload as often as you can.
I know you can see where I'm going with this but, what do you pick?
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In the end, I'll to defer to you on this but please to be explaining. In particular, the "any firearm" statement. Yes, it was obvious that no one in that club was prepared and/or willing to fight back. But they were trying to get the hell out of there. Put yourself in the coward's (Shooters) shoes, with the stipulation of you knowing what you know given your training and experience.
Your plan is to go to this club, where several hundred people are. You want to take out as many as possible, as quickly as possible. You know it will be utter chaos once you start shooting with people running for the exits. What you have available is whatever weapons you can purchase at the local gun shop. You can choose one firearm and enough ammo to reload as often as you can.
I know you can see where I'm going with this but, what do you pick?
And just to think that you could have easily been there on that night. Glad you picked another night to go.
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And just to think that you could have easily been there on that night. Glad you picked another night to go.
I hated missing Latin Night but my tummy was upset.
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In the end, I'll to defer to you on this but please to be explaining. In particular, the "any firearm" statement. Yes, it was obvious that no one in that club was prepared and/or willing to fight back. But they were trying to get the hell out of there. Put yourself in the coward's (Shooters) shoes, with the stipulation of you knowing what you know given your training and experience.
Your plan is to go to this club, where several hundred people are. You want to take out as many as possible, as quickly as possible. You know it will be utter chaos once you start shooting with people running for the exits. What you have available is whatever weapons you can purchase at the local gun shop. You can choose one firearm and enough ammo to reload as often as you can.
I know you can see where I'm going with this but, what do you pick?
And the black choppers start circling.
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And the black choppers start circling.
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Michael J Fox?? Because that's the only reason it would take that long reload an AR 15. It's literally less than 5 seconds to drop and reload.
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I see open carry people every time I walk into a store or restaurant around my town. Keep in mind, the assholes hell bent on robbery or committing other forms of mayhem are looking for soft targets to hit. That being said, I can see some benefit to open carry. It can provide a visual deterrent against some of these assholes. Walking in and seeing a few people with a peacemaker strapped to their side might make them think twice before hitting that location.
I can see both sides of the argument.
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Michael J Fox?? Because that's the only reason it would take that long reload an AR 15. It's literally less than 5 seconds to drop and reload.
Taped together just right I could drop and reload each magazine in about 2 seconds.. 90 rounds down range. (3 taped together)
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Taped together just right I could drop and reload each magazine in about 2 seconds.. 90 rounds down range. (3 taped together)
yea but you're Army so really the safest place to stand is directly in front.
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yea but you're Army so really the safest place to stand is directly in front.
Kind of like my golf game.
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Yea, those folks worry me, its like they are looking for a gun fight. And not once in their life have they ever had a round go over their head. (it gets your attention). My concern with those folks is that next time they have an event like where the two guys got killed by local Texas police, it will be swarming with local gun folks sitting in their cars waiting on something.
Doesn't bother me. Sitting in the DQ Sunday having a blizzard. Dude two tables over gets up and walks out. Only then did I notice the pistol. Nobody else flinched either. Hot as balls out. Hard to hide that think in jorts and tshirt!
Here in the ATL (OTP N) we have all sorts of carry. Mostly see open carry in the summer. I usually carry my baby pop gun the back pocket in summer. But I may start carrying a larger pistol, even open if need be, since things have heated up! <pun intended>
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BTW, I don't own a single gun. Just believe in everyone's rights to do so.
You might want to look into the prospect of self protection here soon. There are safe products out there to keep them away from the kiddos. Diligence is key.
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In the end, I'll to defer to you on this but please to be explaining. In particular, the "any firearm" statement. Yes, it was obvious that no one in that club was prepared and/or willing to fight back. But they were trying to get the hell out of there. Put yourself in the coward's (Shooters) shoes, with the stipulation of you knowing what you know given your training and experience.
Your plan is to go to this club, where several hundred people are. You want to take out as many as possible, as quickly as possible. You know it will be utter chaos once you start shooting with people running for the exits. What you have available is whatever weapons you can purchase at the local gun shop. You can choose one firearm and enough ammo to reload as often as you can.
I know you can see where I'm going with this but, what do you pick?
I pick two of these sumbitches right here. And a couple of pistols!
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You might want to look into the prospect of self protection here soon. There are safe products out there to keep them away from the kiddos. Diligence is key.
I will be happy to give the red head a lesson or two as well... you not so much.
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So now there are reports that his wife drove him to recon the bar and to purchase said guns and tried to talk him out of it. At what point do you not let the authorities know this?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/gunmans-wife-tried-to-talk-him-out-of-attack/ar-AAh2kPR?ocid=ansmsnnews11
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I will be happy to give the red head a lesson or two as well... you not so much.
Hey. Always willing to learn something new!
Why ya gotta be like that!
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Doesn't bother me. Sitting in the DQ Sunday having a blizzard. Dude two tables over gets up and walks out. Only then did I notice the pistol. Nobody else flinched either. Hot as balls out. Hard to hide that think in jorts and tshirt!
Here in the ATL (OTP N) we have all sorts of carry. Mostly see open carry in the summer. I usually carry my baby pop gun the back pocket in summer. But I may start carrying a larger pistol, even open if need be, since things have heated up! <pun intended>
What concerns me is you will have some guy person who thinks he/she is John Wayne and going to save the day. A situation occurs and instead of evaluating and going forward they just come out blasting. Police roll up on the scene and now have multiple people with weapons.
Just as there are crazy out there to kill us, they are crazy who want to try and save us. (15 minutes of fame)
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What concerns me is you will have some guy person who thinks he/she is John Wayne and going to save the day. A situation occurs and instead of evaluating and going forward they just come out blasting. Police roll up on the scene and now have multiple people with weapons.
Just as there are crazy out there to kill us, they are crazy who want to try and save us. (15 minutes of fame)
Unless the cop happens to be RIGHT THERE, there is not much chance of this still going on by the time they get there.
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Hey. Always willing to learn something new!
Why ya gotta be like that!
I meant his redhead....not yours.
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Michael J Fox?? Because that's the only reason it would take that long reload an AR 15. It's literally less than 5 seconds to drop and reload.
I like this bammer more every day. Oh and this ^^
Anytime any shooting or tragedy happens there are always gonna be the false flag crowd crying. It's a special mental condition man.
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Doesn't bother me. Sitting in the DQ Sunday having a blizzard. Dude two tables over gets up and walks out. Only then did I notice the pistol. Nobody else flinched either. Hot as balls out. Hard to hide that think in jorts and tshirt!
Here in the ATL (OTP N) we have all sorts of carry. Mostly see open carry in the summer. I usually carry my baby pop gun the back pocket in summer. But I may start carrying a larger pistol, even open if need be, since things have heated up! <pun intended>
We're talking about the idiots who are out to pick a fight or prove a point. Like the fatass moron I saw in wal mart with a 9 loosely dangling from a cheap ass holster on his sweat pants staring everyone down like he's in MMA. Or the idiots that thought it was a cool idea to go into chipotle and lay their ARs down on the tables loaded with patrons nearby admittedly just to prove a point. These chumps aren't protecting anyone. In fact they are a liability. A gun is still a dangerous weapon and it doesn't need to be abused in the hands of idiots like those.
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We're talking about the idiots who are out to pick a fight or prove a point. Like the fatass moron I saw in wal mart with a 9 loosely dangling from a cheap ass holster on his sweat pants staring everyone down like he's in MMA. Or the idiots that thought it was a cool idea to go into chipotle and lay their ARs down on the tables loaded with patrons nearby admittedly just to prove a point. These chumps aren't protecting anyone. In fact they are a liability. A gun is still a dangerous weapon and it doesn't need to be abused in the hands of idiots like those.
Good thing is they will be the first to get shot at. Give a regular folk more time to aim.
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Good thing is they will be the first to get shot at. Give a regular folk more time to aim.
Yes.
If I'm a bad guy that's the first person I would be taking out. The open carry guys who do it responsibly law enforcement style are not the ones I'm referring to. But it seems the % of open carry folks who are idiots is on the rise.
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So now there are reports that his wife drove him to recon the bar and to purchase said guns and tried to talk him out of it. At what point do you not let the authorities know this?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/gunmans-wife-tried-to-talk-him-out-of-attack/ar-AAh2kPR?ocid=ansmsnnews11
Im surprised he let her drive to be honest.
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Im surprised he let her drive to be honest.
I think goat carts are acceptable.
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What concerns me is you will have some guy person who thinks he/she is John Wayne and going to save the day. A situation occurs and instead of evaluating and going forward they just come out blasting. Police roll up on the scene and now have multiple people with weapons.
Just as there are crazy out there to kill us, they are crazy who want to try and save us. (15 minutes of fame)
Yeah, but only the black ones are in any danger.
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Yeah, but only the black ones are in any danger.
I heard right after 9-11 the black community tapped the middle eastern community on the shoulder?
Tag your it for now.
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Now the alligators are getting in the act. A gator snatched a 2 year old off the water's edge at the Grand Floridian yesterday. No sign of him.
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We really need to stop these Muslim gators from coming on shore.
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We really need to stop these Muslim gators from coming on shore.
Fuck you. That gator is doing the lord's work.
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This morning Obama denounced those who call the creature an alligator.
“What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make carnivorous reptiles less committed to trying to kill small animals, including humans? Would it bring in more herpetologists? Is there a containment strategy that is served by this? The answer is, none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction.â€
The president added: “There’s no magic to the phrase, ‘alligator.’ It’s a political talking point; it’s not a strategy.â€
"Wally Gator, Tick-Tock, Albert, -- they were all some funny ass alligators that gave us much joy. Are we going to start treating all alligators differently now? Are we going to start subjecting them to special surveillance?" he asked. "That's what some are suggesting."
Democratic nominee Fuckholery Clinton was quick to note that the attack was isloated. Clinton said she would put together teams of government and private sector officials to try to identify lone wolf alligators and ensure law enforcement agencies have the resources they need for such efforts.
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fudge you. That gator is doing the lord's work.
If lovin' the gator is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
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You can stop Hatin' Silky.
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This morning Obama denounced those who call the creature an alligator.
“What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make carnivorous reptiles less committed to trying to kill small animals, including humans? Would it bring in more herpetologists? Is there a containment strategy that is served by this? The answer is, none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction.â€
The president added: “There’s no magic to the phrase, ‘alligator.’ It’s a political talking point; it’s not a strategy.â€
"Wally Gator, Tick-Tock, Albert, -- they were all some funny ass alligators that gave us much joy. Are we going to start treating all alligators differently now? Are we going to start subjecting them to special surveillance?" he asked. "That's what some are suggesting."
Democratic nominee Fuckholery Clinton was quick to note that the attack was isloated. Clinton said she would put together teams of government and private sector officials to try to identify lone wolf alligators and ensure law enforcement agencies have the resources they need for such efforts.
Homegrown bro
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Thanks for the fuck shack.
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You can stop Hatin' Silky.
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A player just wanna kick back with my gators off and watch my little girl blow bubbles...
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A player just wanna kick back with my gators off and watch my little girl blow bubbles...
Still ready to rhyme.
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Y'all do what you want but I'm staying the H E Double hockey sticks out of Florida. Sunshine state my arse.
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Y'all do what you want but I'm staying the H E Double hockey sticks out of Florida. Sunshine state my arse.
I love it when a plan comes together.
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I love it when a plan comes together.
heck when you're a butthole plunger and have a toddler with your life partner why not?
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My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
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My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
Well your mama's wrong.
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Well your mama's wrong.
I think somethin's wrong with dat boy's medulla oblongata.
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And I like Vicki, and she likes me back! And she showed me her boobies, and I like them too!
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And I like Snags, and he likes me back! And he showed me his weiner, and I like that too!
:homo:
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:homo:
Dude, I don't see what someone's personal and sexual life has to do with anything.
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Dude, I don't see what someone's personal and sexual life has to do with anything.
I agree, I'm behind you all the way on this one.
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Boys body has been found intact. Cause of death most likely a drowning.
Alligator was an asshole.
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Boys body has been found intact. Cause of death most likely a drowning.
Alligator was an asshole.
I'm sure Washington is working on something to regulate "assault" gators.
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I just saw a video where students and others were holding a vigil for the Orlando victims at U. of Missouri. A black lady was starting to speak and opened with something to the effect of, "I'm a little nervous in speaking up here because there's so many white people" She followed that up with "I'm not joking".
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I just saw a video where students and others were holding a vigil for the Orlando victims at U. of Missouri. A black lady was starting to speak and opened with something to the effect of, "I'm a little nervous in speaking up here because there's so many white people" She followed that up with "I'm not joking".
And then at least 5 white people immediately apologized.
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And then at least 5 white people immediately apologized.
Its one of the new laws from "The one".
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I just saw a video where students and others were holding a vigil for the Orlando victims at U. of Missouri. A black lady was starting to speak and opened with something to the effect of, "I'm a little nervous in speaking up here because there's so many white people" She followed that up with "I'm not joking".
People really need to learn how to tell these people to go fuck themselves.
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People really need to learn how to tell these people to go fuck themselves.
Before you got "fuc" out of your mouth, you would have Jesse, Al, and Barack and all their elk heading in your direction. But your right, they need to be told to go FUCK OFF. :fu:
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And then at least 5 white people immediately apologized.
White privilege!
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Before you got "fuc" out of your mouth, you would have Jesse, Al, and Barack and all their elk heading in your direction. But your right, they need to be told to go FUCK OFF. :fu:
They ride elk?
I'd pay to see that.
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They ride elk?
I'd pay to see that.
They do ride elk. It's only going to get worst.
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And then at least 5 white people immediately apologized.
In all seriousness though, many people - mostly white - started clapping for her. She said she wished the #BLM movement got as much support as the gay community. If you watch the video, a white guy standing right behind claps furiously. You can see it in his face that he hates himself and wishes to bow down to new people of color overlords.
I don't really care too much about a crazy person saying crazy things into the microphone. That happens. You ignore them and move on. If what they say and do is that detrimental to themselves or society, you get them professional help.
I do care that a crowd of people did not run her off the stage. I care that people clapped. I care that bullshit like that has become normal and that people who dissent are taken away by police officers as seen in the video.
Why did we let Missouri in the SEC again?
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That mass murders wife should go to jail for all eternity for not telling authorities what hers piece of shit husband was up too.
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The attack at the airport in Turkey is exactly why gun control would have little to no effect. While I did see a report that at least one of the terrorists had a gun, ultimately 40 plus people were killed by being blown the fruck up. If someone wants to off a bunch of people, they'll find a way. What was it in the Boston Marathon attack...a pressure cooker?
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The attack at the airport in Turkey is exactly why gun control would have little to no effect. While I did see a report that at least one of the terrorists had a gun, ultimately 40 plus people were killed by being blown the fruck up. If someone wants to off a bunch of people, they'll find a way. What was it in the Boston Marathon attack...a pressure cooker?
NO! The answer is to ban assault weapons.
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NO! The answer is to ban assault weapons.
Oh alright.
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NO! The answer is to ban assault weapons.
This!! ^^
If that damned George Bush had not let the assault weapons ban of 1994 expire in 2004, then think of how many people could have been saved on 9/11. And in the Tanzania and Uss cole bombings in 1998 and 2000. Columbine too in 1999! We must ban them so the bad guys will think twice about assaulting. I'm outraged.
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When I finally go off up in here one day, my weapon of choice will be an assault bat. Unless they ban them.
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When I finally go off up in here one day, my weapon of choice will be an assault bat. Unless they ban them.
See folks! Right here ^^ is proof that they work.
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I saw on the news the bomb he used was an AR-15 tho. No one should have access to a gun that can kill 50, maim another 150 with one explosion.
If your sarcasm meter's broken, fix it.
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I saw on the news the bomb he used was an AR-15 tho. No one should have access to a gun that can kill 50, maim another 150 with one explosion.
If your sarcasm meter's broken, fix it.
Agree totally!
No person ever needs access to an automatic assault bomb. There is just no valid reason for it. People could get hurt for Petes sake.
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Agree totally!
No person ever needs access to an automatic assault bomb. There is just no valid reason for it. People could get hurt for Petes sake.
There is not one Muslim (Omit) named Pete.
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Agree totally!
No person ever needs access to an automatic assault bomb. There is just no valid reason for it. People could get hurt for Petes sake.
I'm calling for an assault bomb ban. If I don't get one I will stage a sit in on the floor of the senate.
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So France gets hit again. No word yet that I've heard on who is responsible but since the van was loaded with weapons and the driver came out firing away, it's a pretty safe bet that we'll be hearing about ISIS. (or ISIL if it's coming from our weak kneed, Muslim Prez) 70+ dead so far and over 100 wounded.
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When will our Muslim in Chief finally call this what it is and declare war on their asses? I guess since they aren't "racist" white cops, we will continue to just sit and watch until we get hit again.
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I said "van". Didn't see but a glimpse of the video. Big ass truck. And Buzz is 100% correct. If we don't go on the offensive, we'll all just be targets. Trump said bomb the shit out of them. I have no clue what the best strategy is but it can't be too far off from that. Hellary says, "Let our Muslim brothers help us in the fight."
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What we really need to do is ban automatic weapons here in the US and give the Syrians more tanks, guns and money. That's the answer, amirite Barry?
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We have got to stop providing islamic hostile nations with commercial delivery trucks!!!!
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What we really need to do is ban automatic weapons here in the US and give the Syrians more tanks, guns and money. That's the answer, amirite Barry?
^^Knows the format^^
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By the way, Mr. president...it's ISIS. The S stands for Syria. I believe you are familiar with them.
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I was watching this panel of people on Fox discuss the massacre this morning. Didn't know who any of them were. But one lady actually said the rise of ISIS is due to the rhetoric from Trump. :huh:
So, I started flipping channels looking for some other coverage of it and came across MSNBC. Lo and behold, they were saying pretty much the same thing but didn't confine it to Trump. It was the Republicans fault.
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I was watching this panel of people on Fox discuss the massacre this morning. Didn't know who any of them were. But one lady actually said the rise of ISIS is due to the rhetoric from Trump. :huh:
So, I started flipping channels looking for some other coverage of it and came across MSNBC. Lo and behold, they were saying pretty much the same thing but didn't confine it to Trump. It was the Republicans fault.
So in a nutshell, its no longer just white cops but all white folk. :facepalm:
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Leave it to the dims to put the lame in blame.
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Leave it to the dims to put the lame in blame.
Is there an unlike button?
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So in a nutshell, its no longer just white cops but all white folk. :facepalm:
That has always been the problem.
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Damn whitey!!!
Let's burn some shit and get a TV.
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In other news, the Compass Bank a couple of doors down from here got robbed a little after 9:00. I was running a few errands and about to pull in there when the cops whipped around me and into the parking lot. I thought you know, maybe I'll go to the post office first. Dude was armed and last seen running not far from our office. Got my gun out of the truck (Ford F-150), came back in and locked this bitch down.
Sorry for the interruption. Carry on bashing the white man.
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In other news, the Compass Bank a couple of doors down from here got robbed a little after 9:00. I was running a few errands and about to pull in there when the cops whipped around me and into the parking lot. I thought you know, maybe I'll go to the post office first. Dude was armed and last seen running not far from our office. Got my gun out of the truck (Ford F-150), came back in and locked this bitch down.
Sorry for the interruption. Carry on bashing the white man.
My bet is that the perp is hiding in your office somewhere. Maybe under a desk.
If he is black, you better not shoot. Please, do not shoot him. I'd much rather he shoot you. The traffic jams are bad enough on the circle as it is without protests.
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My bet is that the perp is hiding in your office somewhere. Maybe under a desk.
If he is black, you better not shoot. Please, do not shoot him. I'd much rather he shoot you. The traffic jams are bad enough on the circle as it is without protests.
I will kick you in the wind pipe.
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Another example of what kind of people we're dealing with. dot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth. of fox news
A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not published online until this week, that the killers in the Bataclan tortured their victims on the second floor of the club.
The chief police witness in Parliament said that an investigating officer, tears streaming down his face, rushed out of the Bataclan and vomited in front of him just after seeing the disfigured bodies.
According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers apparently gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said.
But prosecutors claimed these reports of torture were “a rumor†on the grounds that sharp knives were not found at the scene. They also claimed that maybe shrapnel had caused the injuries.
Q. For the information of the Commission of Inquiry….can you tell us how you learned that there had been acts of barbarism within the Bataclan: beheadings, evisceration, eyes gouged out …?
Investigator: After the assault, we were with colleagues at the passage Saint-Pierre Amelot when I saw weeping from one of our colleagues who came outside to vomit. He told us what he had seen.