Too bad it wasn't Cecil the lion. Now that would've caused a real uproar.
Too bad it wasn't Cecil the lion. Now that would've caused a real uproar.I think the mane reason is that this guy doesn't have Cecil's pride.
You crazy cats will never claw your way out of this one and back to the topic now.
One day, a man walked into a restaurant, with a lion. After being seated, he asked the waitress, "Do you serve lawyers here?"
"Yes", the waitress replied.
"Ok, good! I'll take a ham sandwich for myself, and a lawyer for my lion."
On a serious tip? I can take just about anything in stride. Loud, obnoxious stride perhaps, but stride nonetheless.
My agitation is typically explosive and short-lived.
The killing of this lion, however, has angered me on a level that doesn't seem normal. It bothers me deeply. I want to physically harm and slowly torture the guy who did it. I'd have no qualms whatsoever about staking him to an anthill and drinking lemonade in the shade until he finally died.
I have no idea why the killing of the lion distresses me so. It reminds me a bit of the Tony Soprano character who was so furious over the burning of a horse that he strangled and bludgeoned the life out of Ralph Cifaretto, but has little to no emotion about popping Bevilacqua or Phil Leotardo or Pussy.
Why do I care about this lion and the other animals gunned down by that pussy ass dentist fuck?
Why do I care about this lion and the other animals gunned down by that pussy ass dentist fudge?
Meanwhile a quarter of the actual human beings existing within the same country's borders as this single animal are dying of malaria, AIDS, and God knows what else... and we hear not a peep.
Because you watch too many movies and have lost your grip on reality, perhaps? It's a single lion. No this particular one shouldn't have been taken but by all accounts, the dentist himself wasn't at fault for that aspect of the situation. The landowner and guide are hired for a reason. They are paid to lead a legal and safe hunt.^^This.
Meanwhile a quarter of the actual human beings existing within the same country's borders as this single animal are dying of malaria, AIDS, and God knows what else... and we hear not a peep.
Internet vigilantism, folks.
^^This.
"I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt," CBS reported.
"I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt," Palmer said, according to CBS. "I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practice responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion."
Mexican drug gangs could start raping and abducting all teenage girls they can reach in Tx, Putin can patrol the Gulf of Mexico in a nuclear sub, and disease and pestilence may go rampant across the U.S. but one thing is for sure, most of our "animal lovers" will die to protect Snookums and not be concerned re: human problems.
I like dogs but by today's standard, I doubt I'm considered an "animal lover"--If I have to put animals on the same level as humans.
I hated the dog fighting stuff and want people charged with a crime. I hate animal cruelty, where people are purposely injuring animals for entertainment. But, there are better things to concern ourselves with than to want to attack a dentist from Minnesota who thought he was legally hunting a lion.
The U.S. has an animal loving problem and we've put some animals above humans on the food chain. But it would be politically incorrect to address the issue and 3/4 of the population would object.
It's a sickness that has grown leaps and bounds over the last 30 years.
I agree with what your saying, BUT this dude has already been convicted of poaching a bear in Wisconsin. He is as guilty as the lead and guide. He knew. I think some of the outrage comes from he knew and thought no one would find out and was in the "Do you know who I am crowd".
He looks like a pussy is part of the problem.
I can't possibly imagine what "enjoyment" this limp dick fucker gets froom slaughtering wild animals that are essentially captives. It's like going to the zoo and bagging penguins.
I hate him.
I do not respect the way that this guy or others take their trophies.
I have been on safari three times in my life. Once, I was with a paid guide and a rented gun. It was in the wild but the gun part is what made it less appealing and unsatisfying.
The next time that I went (3 years later), I wanted the truest sense of being one with the jungle. So, I canned the ammo and only had my bowie knife and a loin cloth. It was not easy taking the lion and water buffalo that I was fortunate enough to harvest on that trip but it was satisfying. One can go from being the hunter to the hunted very quickly whilst belly crawling through the bush at dusk. But I lived to tell my story.
My next trip, I had hand to hand with 3 male gorillas that ended poorly and I don't like to talk about it.
But I was able to drop down out of tree onto a gazelle and slash its throat, so I didn't go home empty handed.
I just had a very sore ass from the gorilla experience.
I'll eat the meat that they shoot.
He tossed the carcass in the grass.I'm not qualified to say exactly what it says about you either. But, I do know that most other crazy people keep quiet about it and aren't as willing to share their illness. Kudos.
Nobody eats lions.
I'd be happy to kill this guy. With a crossbow. Wouldn't think twice about it. Not sure what that says about me.
He tossed the carcass in the grass.
Nobody eats lions.
I'd be happy to kill this guy. With a crossbow. Wouldn't think twice about it. Not sure what that says about me.
Nobody eats lions.
http://www.vice.com/read/robert-mugabe-lion-elephant-meat-218 (http://www.vice.com/read/robert-mugabe-lion-elephant-meat-218)
Because you watch too many movies and have lost your grip on reality, perhaps? It's a single lion. No this particular one shouldn't have been taken but by all accounts, the dentist himself wasn't at fault for that aspect of the situation. The landowner and guide are hired for a reason. They are paid to lead a legal and safe hunt.
Meanwhile a quarter of the actual human beings existing within the same country's borders as this single animal are dying of malaria, AIDS, and God knows what else... and we hear not a peep.
Internet vigilantism, folks.
Idi Amin eats people, too. So we should have people farms and let sexually frustrated dentists go on human hunts?
I agree with what your saying, BUT this dude has already been convicted of poaching a bear in Wisconsin. He is as guilty as the lead and guide. He knew. I think some of the outrage comes from he knew and thought no one would find out and was in the "Do you know who I am crowd".
Maybe we should let the Planned Parenthood folks go on a planned baby hunt.
You have no idea what he knew. And there is no evidence he knew anything - right now. Join the emotional outrage express with the rest of the celebrities calling for the guy to be hung.
Step back for a second and see how ridicilous it all looks....just for a minute, and what Catphish is saying. Looking at all the circumstantial facts, it would appear some overzealous guides did some pretty shady shit in order to do what they needed to do to make bank on a huge trophy kill. Did the guy know he had killed an older male and know it was probably a big get? Sure. But with the lion being out there by himself outside the normal park bounds and away from the pride, to the naked eye he would look like fair game, and not the integral part of the pride that he really was.
At this point the dude is guilty of ignorance and following some morons. Maybe more will come out later. Who knows. But right NOW it doesn't warrant the mob justice mentality that this has generated. But hey, its the American way. Before long, all decisions and verdicts will be handed down based off feeling and emotional mob mentality instead of real facts. People need to slow their roll on this shit and let the facts play out for a minute.
Maybe we should let the Planned Parenthood folks go on a planned baby hunt.
Auctioning off exterminated baby body parts to the highest bidder behind closed doors (which IS illegal). If only Jimmy Kimmel and the rest of the celebrity screw jobs cared as much this.....as they do getting justice for Cecil.
You have no idea what he knew. And there is no evidence he knew anything - right now. Join the emotional outrage express with the rest of the celebrities calling for the guy to be hung.
Step back for a second and see how ridicilous it all looks....just for a minute, and what Catphish is saying. Looking at all the circumstantial facts, it would appear some overzealous guides did some pretty shady shit in order to do what they needed to do to make bank on a huge trophy kill. Did the guy know he had killed an older male and know it was probably a big get? Sure. But with the lion being out there by himself outside the normal park bounds and away from the pride, to the naked eye he would look like fair game, and not the integral part of the pride that he really was.
At this point the dude is guilty of ignorance and following some morons. Maybe more will come out later. Who knows. But right NOW it doesn't warrant the mob justice mentality that this has generated. But hey, its the American way. Before long, all decisions and verdicts will be handed down based off feeling and emotional mob mentality instead of real facts. People need to slow their roll on this shit and let the facts play out for a minute.
See, here is the thing with me. It's not just Cecil. It's society, at least in the U.S.
If this dentist knew, I hope he get's put in jail for a considerable amount of time. If not, I hope the people calling for him to be killed go live with the lions.
Would there be all this ruckus if Cecil was a "White" mane Lion?#blacklionsmatter
I believe that once you start treating animals exactly the same as humans, you've got a problem. Maybe that's because I'm only 2 generations removed from the farm. Probably so.
Dude... murdering a lion for sport has nothing to do with treating the lion as a human or any relation to what happens on the farm. It's about one sick fuck getting his joo-joo jollies by slaughtering an animal and discarding all but the severed head. I'm not ascribing mystical or magical attributes to the lion, only respecting it as a pretty cool creature.
I can remember my grandfather knocking the hell out of a mule with a piece of firewood. And you can believe it or not but the mule obeyed. I can remember him hitting a dog that my Uncle had bought him in the head with a piece of water pipe after the dog growled. It left a knot. The dog loved him for the rest of his life.
Today, these are examples of animal cruelty. Then, they were things that went on when you lived on a farm. I never saw what I thought to be animal cruelty. My grandfather loved that mule and his dog.
I know you're being facetious, but some would take this seriously. Big difference in whooping the shit out of a dog or a mule. I beat one of my dogs senseless for growling and snapping at my daughter when she walked by its food bowl. That's what you do to domestic animals.
Today, our tax money is spent getting cats out of trees and gutters. They'll call out the ladder truck and have 25 first responders to help get Bitsy the shih tzu out of the gutter or Twinkles the cat out of an oak tree. When I was kid, Twinkles better find a way down or she would starve.
Andy Griffith helped kittens out of trees. Good enough for him, good enough for me. Atticus Finch also shot a rabid dog. That's gotta be done too.
People are shithouse crazy. And if you took a poll, 75% on this board would likely side with the PETA, etc. crowd. That's fine. I've accepted that as the "norm". But it doesn't stop me from thinking people who believe it are shithouse crazy.
And, most of them likely eat KFC, Wendys, etc. So they aren't the animal saving saints that they believe themselves to be. So, they'll just have to believe that I'm backward and I'll believe they're nuts.
I don't side with PETA for the most part. And I eat meat. Love it. That's what some animals are for. As soon as Wendy's has lion burgers and we pass giant farms filled with lion prides being raised for eating purposes, you'll have a point.
If this dentist knew, I hope he get's put in jail for a considerable amount of time. If not, I hope the people calling for him to be killed go live with the lions.
The fucker knew. Of that I have no doubt. He just wanted to prove his manhood so badly he didn't care and didn't think he'd get caught. So fuck him. Jail isn't good enough. Feed his ass to lions.
How long will it be before the progressive loons start clammoring to have Teddy Roosevelt scrubbed from history for taking part in safaris? When will the call come to ban Ernest Hemingway's books because of his love of trophy hunting?
This is quite simply another example in a long list of them to keep us occupied while sinister shit that we should be focused on goes unnoticed. This "outrage du jour" ranks around number 12,947 on my list of issues for which a damn should be given.
How long will it be before the progressive loons start clammoring to have Teddy Roosevelt scrubbed from history for taking part in safaris? When will the call come to ban Ernest Hemingway's books because of his love of trophy hunting?
This is quite simply another example in a long list of them to keep us occupied while sinister shit that we should be focused on goes unnoticed. This "outrage du jour" ranks around number 12,947 on my list of issues for which a damn should be given.
I don't care at all about this particular incident, if the guy did something intentionally illegal fudge him, if he didn't leave him alone. However, if you take the emotion out of it and think about it with strict logic using facts everyone that loves wild animals should love hunting. They should, in particular, want people to hunt whatever their favorite wild animal is.
Hunters are the absolute best conservationists. In fact, hunters are so great at conserving wild populations of animals they make all other conservation efforts laughable. Making something "endangered" doesn't do shoot to ensure a species' survival, especially out in the asshole of nowhere like mosquitoplauge, Africa. Hunters are the reason wild populations of Rocky mountain elk, mule deer, blacktail deer, sitka deer, whitetail deer, Merriam's turkey, Osceola turkey, eastern turkey, goulds turkey, antelope, all the whatever sheep species, brown bears and black bears exist in the United States. Ducks unlimited is the reason there are real migratory ducks and wetlands around, not just shootty golf course pond ducks. This is just in the United States.
Wild animals ain't shoot in the face of human progress to most people. I am totally sure that if hunting wild African game wasn't a thing most of that shoot wouldn't exist to the extent it does now. The people over there have no interest in keeping populations of wild lions around. Lions eat them. They fudgeing hate being eaten, so by extension they hate lions.
The only people that voluntarily go to that godforsaken hellhole of a continent are missionaries, gold/diamond miners and hunters. I imagine the vast majority of infrastructure in that place comes from foreigners seeking gold and diamonds, spreading Jesus and killin' animals. Diamond miners and and missionaries don't care about animals. You stop legal trophy hunting? Native poachers kill all the animals and 1/3 of the money and infrastructure there dies. Trophy hunting is demonstrably better for the area than all the internet activism we first world countries can possibly muster.
You wanna save the tiger or black rhino? Let it be known that if rich assholes raise the money to grow a hunt-able wild population you'll let 'em kill some. Does that say something dark about human nature? Maybe. But we are hunter/gatherers. Its in our blood.
Full disclosure: I hunt and fish so much that it makes me uncomfortable to buy meat at the grocery store. No interest in ever going to Africa, no interest in trophy hunting lions. I would, however, love to kill a grizzly bear with my bow so I guess you can call me an asshole for that.
The argument that the best way to save animals is to murder them for sport defies any rational logic. You're using "the hunter's excuse" to justify something -- trophy hunting -- that is abhorrent.
And yes, if you really want to kill a grizzly bear just to say you did? Asshole.
The argument that the best way to save animals is to murder them for sport defies any rational logic. You're using "the hunter's excuse" to justify something -- trophy hunting -- that is abhorrent.
Different take on hunting that has nothing to do with Cecil the Lion or some diva 911 dispatcher. Throughout college and a few years after, I was huge into whitetail deer hunting. Had all the guns, all the gear, all the doe piss or whatever vile liquid we used to mask our filthy human scents. I was living in Montgomery and Auburn during those years and me and my buddies had access to a lot of hunting land. Got married and she took me and my balls down to LA. Had access to hunting land down here too but after a few trips, I realized that "hunting" had little to do with the hunt and almost everything to do with getting together with my friends. (Cue Deliverance movie quotes in 3...2...1...)
Very similar to golf for me. In my former life when I worked for a company, the guys I worked with were constantly playing golf. We'd rarely let 2 weeks go by without a round. Left and opened my own business and I haven't played 3 rounds in almost 15 years. It wasn't the golf. It was drinking beer and talking shit. Just like hunting. It was about throwing back shots of whiskey and shooting up anything that might have moved. WOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO......
Different take on hunting that has nothing to do with Cecil the Lion or some diva 911 dispatcher. Throughout college and a few years after, I was huge into whitetail deer hunting. Had all the guns, all the gear, all the doe piss or whatever vile liquid we used to mask our filthy human scents. I was living in Montgomery and Auburn during those years and me and my buddies had access to a lot of hunting land. Got married and she took me and my balls down to LA. Had access to hunting land down here too but after a few trips, I realized that "hunting" had little to do with the hunt and almost everything to do with getting together with my friends. (Cue Deliverance movie quotes in 3...2...1...)
Very similar to golf for me. In my former life when I worked for a company, the guys I worked with were constantly playing golf. We'd rarely let 2 weeks go by without a round. Left and opened my own business and I haven't played 3 rounds in almost 15 years. It wasn't the golf. It was drinking beer and talking shit. Just like hunting. It was about throwing back shots of whiskey and shooting up anything that might have moved. WOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO......
The argument that the best way to save animals is to murder them for sport defies any rational logic. You're using "the hunter's excuse" to justify something -- trophy hunting -- that is abhorrent.
And yes, if you really want to kill a grizzly bear just to say you did? Asshole.
It was drinking beer and talking shit. Just like hunting. It was about throwing back shots of whiskey and shooting up anything that might have moved. WOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO......
I'm glad you quit then. The stereotype of the ignorant drunk redneck hunter comes to mind.
Responsible hunting is more than that. But you know that.
I love to hunt. It does create more enjoyment when I am with family and friends. But I love the meat. No preservatives, no hormones, no drugs.
And the money I put into it goes directly to the preservation of many species.
I'm not a sport hunter. Never have been. But others are. And that is there thing. As long as they do not waste the meat, I'm fine with that.
Much more good come to the local people from a legal Cecil kill than does harm. If it was illegal, then by all means string the guy up. But pussified Americans really need to stay out of it. Let Zimbabwe take care of it. I don;t see anyone here trying to figure out how to feed, clothe, and vaccinate the people of Zimbabwe, so don't feign outrage over a single lion.
Go PHS Lions!
See, I like lions.
The part about the whiskey....it was, I say it was a joke, son. I keep tossin' em' and you keep missin' em'.
Nice boy but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.
My part about the PHS Lions was a joke.
Your whiskey a male go-go comment was a tell tale sign...
I like you, so I want you to know something. If you are ever mauled by a lion, it will be next to impossible for me to stop laughing.
Different take on hunting that has nothing to do with Cecil the Lion or some diva 911 dispatcher. Throughout college and a few years after, I was huge into whitetail deer hunting. Had all the guns, all the gear, all the doe piss or whatever vile liquid we used to mask our filthy human scents. I was living in Montgomery and Auburn during those years and me and my buddies had access to a lot of hunting land. Got married and she took me and my balls down to LA. Had access to hunting land down here too but after a few trips, I realized that "hunting" had little to do with the hunt and almost everything to do with getting together with my friends. (Cue Deliverance movie quotes in 3...2...1...)Similar outcome for me.
Very similar to golf for me. In my former life when I worked for a company, the guys I worked with were constantly playing golf. We'd rarely let 2 weeks go by without a round. Left and opened my own business and I haven't played 3 rounds in almost 15 years. It wasn't the golf. It was drinking beer and talking shit. Just like hunting. It was about throwing back shots of whiskey and shooting up anything that might have moved. WOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO......
Different take on hunting that has nothing to do with Cecil the Lion or some diva 911 dispatcher. Throughout college and a few years after, I was huge into whitetail deer hunting. Had all the guns, all the gear, all the doe piss or whatever vile liquid we used to mask our filthy human scents. I was living in Montgomery and Auburn during those years and me and my buddies had access to a lot of hunting land. Got married and she took me and my balls down to LA. Had access to hunting land down here too but after a few trips, I realized that "hunting" had little to do with the hunt and almost everything to do with getting together with my friends. (Cue Deliverance movie quotes in 3...2...1...)
Very similar to golf for me. In my former life when I worked for a company, the guys I worked with were constantly playing golf. We'd rarely let 2 weeks go by without a round. Left and opened my own business and I haven't played 3 rounds in almost 15 years. It wasn't the golf. It was drinking beer and talking shit. Just like hunting. It was about throwing back shots of whiskey and shooting up anything that might have moved. WOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO......
I thought you quit golf because you kept losing your balls?
I'm glad you quit then. The stereotype of the ignorant drunk redneck hunter comes to mind.
Responsible hunting is more than that. But you know that.
I love to hunt. It does create more enjoyment when I am with family and friends. But I love the meat. No preservatives, no hormones, no drugs.
And the money I put into it goes directly to the preservation of many species.
I'm not a sport hunter. Never have been. But others are. And that is there thing. As long as they do not waste the meat, I'm fine with that.
Much more good come to the local people from a legal Cecil kill than does harm. If it was illegal, then by all means string the guy up. But pussified Americans really need to stay out of it. Let Zimbabwe take care of it. I don;t see anyone here trying to figure out how to feed, clothe, and vaccinate the people of Zimbabwe, so don't feign outrage over a single lion.
Go PHS Lions!
See, I like lions.
He probably did enough to maintain plausible deniability. That said, there are unethical guides in Africa, and it's possible he was taken...I don't think that's the case...but it's possible. If they can prove he knew, or even should have known, then he should be prosecuted. At the very least, when they found the dead lion and it had a tracking collar they tried to destroy, then he knew something was up then, and he engaged in cover up. That in and of itself is foul play.
Add to the fact that I find it hard to believe they noticed the tracking collar after they removed the lions head and skinned it? BTW no one will be prosecuted in this, they will all bribe their way out. The landowner is some relative of a judge over there. Nothing will come of it.
You may be correct on prosecution over there, but they're attempting to do it here based on the fact that the planning was done here. Honestly, the hysteria over Cecil the lion's death is purely an American deal. The people in Africa don't give a shit. It's just another lion as far as they're concerned, but hey may very well get him here on that far reaching Federal statute. I would like to see guys like him given pause on scheduling "canned hunts" due to being prosecuted. If anybody might be discouraged from breaking a law for fear of prosecution, it's guys like this.
Bigger fish to fry in the world right now.
Sorry but it WAS just another lion. Circle of life, nature. It's a cruel bitch.
Bigger fish to fry in the world right now.
Whale?
Is that where Thlirra run off to?Sorry but it WAS just another lion. Circle of life, nature. It's a cruel bitch.Whale?
Bigger fish to fry in the world right now.
Whale?
Its a mammal, but yeah sure. We wouldnt be hungry for a while.
Sorry but it WAS just another lion. Circle of life, nature. It's a cruel bitch.
Bigger fish to fry in the world right now.
Sorry but it WAS just another lion. Circle of life, nature. It's a cruel bitch.
i'm not sure if serious.
i was hoping to get back to this earlier but data service has been a hit and miss up in the tree.
is so, i completely disagree with the ignorance on display here. circle of life, nature...whatever. it was a hunt...a paid hunt. there isn't anything regarding circle of life, nature about this hunt.
secondly, regarding your statement it WAS just another lion. the thing is...it wasn't. lion populations are threatened and will continue to decline. it wouldn't surprise me if the African lion doesn't warrant an endangered tag in the next decade.
i'll put "it WAS just another lion" in a different light though, perhaps closer to home...
[forget status of the animal...it isn't in play] let's say you got invited to go on a bird hunt, but not just any old crow hunt. it was a bird of prey hunt...an adventure in the forests of Auburn, AL and knew it was an opportunity to bag a Golden Eagle.
bam! bam!
you've downed this remarkable predator.
but it turns out it wasn't just any other Golden Eagle but Nova... the War FUCKING Eagle VII. you didn't know...fine but whoever guided you on this hunt knew. released [stole] it from a captive state, ripped the identification tag off, led it to the forest you were hunting, and spotted it for you.
you destroyed a symbol. a mascot. a kid's delight. a study of research. a stud for conservation.
anyway...
I hope my circle of life doesn't include getting shot so MF'er can hang my head on the wall.
That would be most unkeen.
Holy shit people, its a damn lion. They are not endangered and the guy had a tag. If the guide did anything illegal, then stick it to him.
So yes, it was just another lion; just like the other five elephants killed the same week and countless other animals killed during the same time frame.
Holy shit Auburn fans, it's a damn tree. It's not like you can't plant another damn tree in the same damn spot...
I think you misunderstand the circle of life. You would not be on somebody's wall. You would be processed in a pile of lion shit.
Now, I will call my own damn self out for my hip-poc-krassy. I love saltwater fishing. Caught many a sailfish. Always catch and release. But if I ever get the opportunity to reel in a 500 pound blue marlin.....that bitch is going on my office wall...quick!
Big difference in my mind between you fighting with a 500lb fish and you baiting a lion to come out of their protected sanctuary so you can shoot it.
And I must ask if the drivel you posted above was truly serious. yeah.
Eagles in this country have been protected wince 1940. It is illegal to just about touch an eagle. So your whole diatribe is moot. [i prefaced this in my post and no my point isn't moot]
The circle of life includes humans. Lions are not endangered and in some parts of the world are a nuisance. [never said they were endangered and you really should consider reading some facts and figures regarding the big cats worldwide] You know, like killing and eating people! So what if it was a paid hunt. The permits allowed are to control the population of lions [wrong] Got a permit, a lions gonna die. If not a paid hunter bringing money in for the locals, then it will be some hired gun by the government. And the locals don't get squat. [really, you really think the locals are getting a piece regardless if so it's a like giving the local drunk a penny] As long as it was done within the confines of the law, why do you care. The locals certainly do not. And the fact that it was an old lion was even better. As lions get older, they lose privilege within the pride. Then they have to hunt their own food, including people.
I love how peoples' hearts are just crying over this damn lion when the little kids that are living in the village next door are dieing of disease and hunger. [i think michael jackson covered this in the '80's]
Holy shit people, its a damn lion. They are not endangered and the guy had a tag. If the guide did anything illegal, then stick it to him. [like i said it isn't "just" a lion]
And the lion population is not threatened and declining due to hunting, they are losing their habitat daily due to people.[i don't disagree (and this isn't necessarily the only thing either) here but illegal means of thinning out the population isn't accordance with my beliefs] If you want to save the lion, send money for contraceptives.
So yes, it was just another lion; just like the other five elephants killed the same week and countless other animals killed during the same time frame. All under permit from the Zimbabwe government. [no, it wasn't just any lion]
I hear you'll have a higher rate of success saving the whales....
you completely missed the point i was making on how this hunt went down.
you really should stop licking your block of salt...it is effecting the way you think. oh i forgot you can't think on your own. we established this before.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=1)
Why Cecil the Lion Was So Popular With People
"Large, powerful, but regal," Cecil was known for being comfortable around humans—and simply for having a name, say those that knew him.
For more than a decade, visitors to Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park would notice that one lion stood out from the rest—an enormous male with a long, shaggy black mane. The lion so endeared himself to tourists that he was given a name: Cecil.
These days, following the international uproar over his killing death, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who hasn't heard of Cecil.
But lions have been killed by trophy hunters before and surely will be again. So what was it about Cecil that struck a chord with the international community?
"Cecil was the ultimate lion," says Brent Stapelkamp, a field researcher with Oxford University's Wildlife Conservation Research Unit (WildCRU), who knew Cecil perhaps better than anyone else."He was everything that a lion represents to us as humans," Stapelkamp says. "He was large, powerful, but regal at the same time."
And Cecil was close to humans, too. Stapelkamp has been studying the lion since 2008, and Cecil and his pride had been part of an ongoing research project with Oxford since 1999.
Indeed, part of what made Cecil such a favorite among tourists on safari was the way he became accustomed to people.
Stapelkamp says Cecil would allow vehicles to get close to him, sometimes within just 30 feet (about 10 meters), "which made photography and research very easy."
Stapelkamp once found Cecil and around 20 other lions from his pride feeding on the carcass of an elephant. It was a banner day for observation, and he remembers taking over 500 photos.
"He was receiving a lot of attention from both his females and his cubs," Stapelkamp remembers. (See "Opinion: Why Are We Still Hunting Lions?")
"He later fell asleep on the carcass with his head on the elephant's chest while the rest shared the meal."
Cecil wasn't just a good photo op.
"The collaring of lions like Cecil have given us a vast amount of knowledge about lions and their behavior in the environment," says Stapelkamp.
For instance, tracking the lions of Hwange National Park revealed that some of the animals range over long distances—even swimming across rivers that get in the way.
Stapelkamp says one of the WildCRU-collared lions traveled around 150 miles (240 kilometers) from Hwange National Park to the city of Livingstone, across the border in Zambia. It seems the lion attempted to swim across the Zambezi River, which is notorious for its white-water rapids.
"He was washed 400 meters [nearly a quarter mile] downstream before he could get out," says Stapelkamp. (See National Geographic's lion pictures.)
By studying these animals, WildCRU hopes to better understand the threats they face in the wild and learn how to mitigate them.
WildCRU also runs an anti-poaching team, a local conservation-themed theater group, and an education campaign that targets schoolchildren.
The Oxford project also works with local farmers to find ways to coexist with lions, and partners with Long Shields Lion Guardians, a program led by Stapelkamp to lessen conflicts between people and lions.
Luke Dollar, program director for National Geographic's Big Cats Initiative, says he remembers Cecil for the sheer fact that he had a name, which was unusual.
When animals become well known to people, as Cecil did, it "becomes easier to relate to them and communicate their tales, which creates an additional draw for tourism and human interest," Dollar says.
Lions are at the top of every safari tourist's wish list, and Cecil's iconic status alone probably helped generate hundreds of thousands of dollars in tourism each year.
Even in death, Cecil's impact on global big-cat conservation cannot be underestimated, he notes. (See "Can Lion Trophy Hunting Support Conservation?")
But "one of my greatest fears is that, in light of recent events, would-be visitors and ecotourists might refrain from visiting Zimbabwe or other African countries and parks where big cats are also readily seen," says Dollar.
"Doing so would cause an even greater loss of economic justifications for protection of wildlife."
Link (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/07/150730-cecil-lion-africa-hunting-science-animals/)
tit for tat
I like tits
I'm cool with most hunting. Probably the traditional types that I was raised on. Whitetail deer, dove, turkey. etc. And yes, with most types of hunting around this region of the country, hunters will eat what they kill and it is in fact, managed to keep the animal populations in check. Not as keen on the trophy hunting of animals like lions and yes, giraffes. These hunters don't care squat about conservation, helping the economy of Bumfuck Africa or anything other than killing an exotic animal so they can get their picture made, then stuff it and hang it on the wall. Legal or not, there's just something inherently wrong with it.
Now, I will call my own damn self out for my hip-poc-krassy. I love saltwater fishing. Caught many a sailfish. Always catch and release. But if I ever get the opportunity to reel in a 500 pound blue marlin.....that bitch is going on my office wall...quick!
Yeah but you also release the 500lb Marlin. You can't eat them you take a picture and the taxidermist creates one for you, same with any fish no one uses the real fish as a mount anymore.
Yeah but you also release the 500lb Marlin. You can't eat them you take a picture and the taxidermist creates one for you, same with any fish no one uses the real fish as a mount anymore.
I'll mount you, you sexy bitch.
Did not know they didn't use any part of the fish. Never caught anything that I considered having mounted. That's cool. I'd rather not tote his big ass back to shore anyway, unless I was in a tourney. BTW, at the Emerald Coast Blue Marlin Classic this past June in Destin, they brought in a 900 pound blue marlin, which was by far a tournament record. I was going that night to the weigh in but there was so much traffic, you had to park a couple of miles away and take a tram. I said frick it. Wish I had gone now.
btw....there are one too many mounts on this board.There is only one mount I'd like to mount.
There is only one mount I'd like to mount.
There is only one mount I'd like to mount.
Nobody mounts Mount. Mount does the mounting.
Nobody mounts Mount. Mount does the mounting.
I'll mount you, you sexy bitch.So your brother-in-law went?
Did not know they didn't use any part of the fish. Never caught anything that I considered having mounted. That's cool. I'd rather not tote his big ass back to shore anyway, unless I was in a tourney. BTW, at the Emerald Coast Blue Marlin Classic this past June in Destin, they brought in a 900 pound blue marlin, which was by far a tournament record. I was going that night to the weigh in but there was so much traffic, you had to park a couple of miles away and take a tram. I said frick it. Wish I had gone now.
I don't hunt, but I have many friends who do and have eaten my fair share of deer meat.Sort of how VV hunts men? (He kills them inside, slowly)
BTW, at the Emerald Coast Blue Marlin Classic this past June in Destin, they brought in a 900 pound blue marlin, which was by far a tournament record. I was going that night to the weigh in but there was so much traffic, you had to park a couple of miles away and take a tram. I said frick it. Wish I had gone now.
Big difference in my mind between you fighting with a 500lb fish and you baiting a lion to come out of their protected sanctuary so you can shoot it.
In a 100% nature driven world, we wouldnt have a "protected sanctuary". Humans are their own worst enemy sometimes. Build it up to tear it down...rinse and repeat.
We wouldn't have murder of other humans either...but...
Yes we would....Sometimes by my own two hands.
Damn, I had a lot of catching up to do in this thread but I think I've pretty much got it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but although it gets somewhat muddled, it pretty much comes down to: all of the guys that support the lion are on one side and on the other side is those of us who like pussy?
Damn, I had a lot of catching up to do in this thread but I think I've pretty much got it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but although it gets somewhat muddled, it pretty much comes down to: all of the guys that support the lion are on one side and on the other side is those of us who like pussy?
However, I am actually surprised by your stance CCTAU. I get that you are a hunter. But to me what he did wasn't hunting. Sitting in a tree stand waiting for your animal to come out.. setting up decoys and blinds that's hunting. I equivocate this particular hunt to me going to a zoo and shooting a monkey in a cage. Where's the thrill of the hunt? The adventure? I can go to my local supermarket and buy fresh fish, but I enjoy going fishing. It seems to me you are just taking the stance against this particular item because all of the liberals and hollywood seem to be in an uproar about it.
Here's the thing this wasn't just any lion like you said. If it was just any lion you wouldn't have heard a peep about it. I don't know that this Dentist knew that the hunt was illegal, but I can guarantee you at some point he did and yet he still took his trophy. For a guy that was involved in prior issues with hunting and has gone on a lot of african safaris, something sure smells funny.
My stance is, and has been, if the hunt was legal, then let it go.
There has been no definitive proof that anything illegal was done. "That damn Zimmerman is just a racist killer."
If it was illegal, bust his ass.
regardless of being legal or not...it wasn't just a lion. it was a well known lion much like our beloved Nova or Spirit or Toomer's Live Oaks. for me this isn't a story about whether big game hunting should or shouldn't happen, starving Africans, decreasing lion populations, vegetarianism or stroking fucking trees.
the hunt lured the lion out of a national park. shot with an arrow. later tracked. shot dead. collar removed.
My stance is, and has been, if the hunt was legal, then let it go.
There has been no definitive proof that anything illegal was done. "That damn Zimmerman is just a racist killer."
If it was illegal, bust his ass.
regardless of being legal or not...it wasn't just a lion. it was a well known lion much like our beloved Nova or Spirit or Toomer's Live Oaks.
Difference being of course, that those examples are all treasured here in our own homeland, beloved by those local and even somewhat by a national population that can at least appreciate them.
If you're rich enough to travel to Africa and embark on a Zimbabwe safari, this lion may have in fact been well-known to you. I don't know.
I do know however that Zimbabweans could GAF about a lion.
Difference being of course, that those examples are all treasured here in our own homeland, beloved by those local and even somewhat by a national population that can at least appreciate them.
If you're rich enough to travel to Africa and embark on a Zimbabwe safari, this lion may have in fact been well-known to you. I don't know.
I do know however that Zimbabweans could GAF about a lion.
Much like certain (perhaps most) Alabama fans who could give a shoot about a tree.
And probably most Americans have neither heard of Cecil nor our beloved mascot or trees.
Sure our mascots are held close to home but I think this garners a worldwide affection towards creatures, plants, artifacts that should be treasured.
My speculation is that more people visited Cecil the Lion as folks visit our Raptor Center.
I find the story intriguing and close to home on my views regarding conservation.
Zimbabweans? Could it be Zimbabweites or Zimbabwoninans?
I simply don't share the lynch mob mentality of those standing on Mufasa's sideline, ruining the life of a man who - far all we know right now - is innocent. Prove guilt and I'm a full supporter of due punishment. Just prove it first.
Listen, as a fluent Zimbabweanise speaker, trust me.
I ordered my Rosetta Stone Zimbabweanise language kit this past Tuesday.
Wait...did Harvey Updyke have a permit to kill trees?
We wouldn't have murder of other humans either...but...
My stance is, and has been, if the hunt was legal, then let it go.
There has been no definitive proof that anything illegal was done. "That damn Zimmerman is just a racist killer."
If it was illegal, bust his ass.
Winston-Salem, N.C. — MY mind was absorbed by the biochemistry of gene editing when the text messages and Facebook posts distracted me.
So sorry about Cecil.
Did Cecil live near your place in Zimbabwe?
Cecil who? I wondered. When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine.
My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States.
Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people? That all the talk about Cecil being “beloved†or a “local favorite†was media hype? Did Jimmy Kimmel choke up because Cecil was murdered or because he confused him with Simba from “The Lion King�
In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.
When I was 9 years old, a solitary lion prowled villages near my home. After it killed a few chickens, some goats and finally a cow, we were warned to walk to school in groups and stop playing outside. My sisters no longer went alone to the river to collect water or wash dishes; my mother waited for my father and older brothers, armed with machetes, axes and spears, to escort her into the bush to collect firewood.
A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead.
When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm.
Recently, a 14-year-old boy in a village not far from mine wasn’t so lucky. Sleeping in his family’s fields, as villagers do to protect crops from the hippos, buffalo and elephants that trample them, he was mauled by a lion and died.
The killing of Cecil hasn’t garnered much more sympathy from urban Zimbabweans, although they live with no such danger. Few have ever seen a lion, since game drives are a luxury residents of a country with an average monthly income below $150 cannot afford.
Don’t misunderstand me: For Zimbabweans, wild animals have near-mystical significance. We belong to clans, and each clan claims an animal totem as its mythological ancestor. Mine is Nzou, elephant, and by tradition, I can’t eat elephant meat; it would be akin to eating a relative’s flesh. But our respect for these animals has never kept us from hunting them or allowing them to be hunted. (I’m familiar with dangerous animals; I lost my right leg to a snakebite when I was 11.)
The American tendency to romanticize animals that have been given actual names and to jump onto a hashtag train has turned an ordinary situation — there were 800 lions legally killed over a decade by well-heeled foreigners who shelled out serious money to prove their prowess — into what seems to my Zimbabwean eyes an absurdist circus.
PETA is calling for the hunter to be hanged. Zimbabwean politicians are accusing the United States of staging Cecil’s killing as a “ploy†to make our to make our country look bad. And Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet.
We Zimbabweans are left shaking our heads, wondering why Americans care more about African animals than about African people.
Don’t tell us what to do with our animals when you allowed your own mountain lions to be hunted to near extinction in the eastern United States. Don’t bemoan the clear-cutting of our forests when you turned yours into concrete jungles.
And please, don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger.
I'm actually with CCTAU on this issue: if it was a legal hunt, then your issues are with Zimbabwean laws; if it was an illegal hunt, then extradite his dumb dental ass and let them sort it out.
Zimbabweans will tell you that every lion head hanging from a rich white dentist's wall is one less lion roaming through their village and gobbling up their chirruns.
To me, as long as he wasn't the one holding out a pack of hotdogs saying, "Here kitty kitty" to lure it away from a protected area, the hunt was legal. He paid for the government issued permit and had the guides. If any shenanigans occurred, it seems to me that would fall under the responsibility of the guides.
Is the lion still dead? I keep checking back here for updates but haven't seen anything lately.
(CNN)A safari guide has been mauled to death by a lion in the same Zimbabwean national park where Cecil the lion lived.
rest of the story...And we head into the half knotted up at 1 apiece.
#retaliation (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/africa/zimbabwe-safari-guide-killed-by-lion/)