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Title: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 07, 2012, 07:49:25 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20120807/SPORTS/308070030/Darius-Paige-transfers-Foley-Ala-?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CSports
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 07, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
I read a post about a week ago over in the Scout board in which the poster mentioned this transfer. He said the coach at Paige's former school was highly pissed at what went down. He claimed it had everything to do with grades, and that the bammer recruiting him guaranteed Paige & his family that whatever credits he was lacking (in order to qualify) could be made up easier at Foley.

Take it for what it's worth
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 07, 2012, 08:25:31 PM
If this is true, Pruitt needs to hit the road.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 07, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
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Just needed to post again because BAMA assistant coach Jeremy Pruitt accused our new head football coach and myself of bullying Darius Paige. We simply told Darius that if he transferred that there was a chance of him being ineligible. The assistant coach mentioned again that he needed to know if we could take care of Darius academically. Again we told him we were not going to give Darius's any grades. I sure the hell will not cave in to these cheating SOBs.

Our head football coach resigned on June 11, 2012. About a week later I got a call from one of our assistant coaches, informing me that Darius Paige, a DT at our school Booker T. Washington HS in Pensacola, who is committed to BAMA that it was suggested to him by BAMA assistant Coach Jeremy Pruitt to transfer to Foley HS like DJ Fluker because he can be taken care of academically there because he knew the head coach at Foley HS real well. ?Our assistant coach call Coach Pruitt and asked what was going on and Coach Pruitt's response was since we were in between head coaches and he wasn't sure if we had an academic plan for Darius Paige. Also, on that day Darius told our coach he didn't want to go but that they had already gotten his mom a job in Foley. About a week later, I called Darius Paige to ask him if he was transferring and he said yes. I informed him that I would be contacting the NCAA, SEC, and the Alabama HS Athletic Association. I then left a message for Coach Pruitt to call me and he later called me back. I asked why he was telling Darius to transfer. He told me Darius was using him as a scapegoat because he really wanted to leave.I then told him that Darius wouldn't lie about something like this. I then told him that if Darius did transfer he would be ineligible. His immediate response was "NO" it is a bonafide move. My response was I thought you had nothing to do with it now you are telling me it is a bonafide move. He then asked me if we could take care of Darius academically, I replied that we did have an academic plan. He then proceeded to tell me that at Foley HS Darius could make up 7 core classes in one year. I informed him that I would be contacting whoever I needed to and hung up. Since our conversation I have found out that Darius was suppose to take his ACT on June 9, but he was told by Coach Pruitt not to take it here, that he needed to take it when he got to Foley. Up til this afternoon Darius has admitted that he does not want to go the Foley, but it was not his decision that his dad was making him go. I also found out the link between Coach Pruitt and the head coach at Foley Todd Watson. Todd Watson was the defensive coordinator at Hoover HS in Alabama and Jeremy Pruitt was his defensive back coach at Hoover under Todd Watson. Up until 2:30 this yesterday afternoon Darius stills tells us he does not want to go
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 07, 2012, 09:17:34 PM
I'd take it to someone who'd do something with it, if I was the HSHC and if I didn't want to lose the kid...also if I lived in a one level house. I wouldn't take it to Charles Robinson, that's for damn sure (he's on the payroll). I'd take it to the guy in Miami or to AJC.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Kaos on August 07, 2012, 09:55:16 PM
I'd take it to someone who'd do something with it, if I was the HSHC and if I didn't want to lose the kid...also if I lived in a one level house. I wouldn't take it to Charles Robinson, that's for damn sure (he's on the payroll). I'd take it to the guy in Miami or to AJC.

Hey... send the packet to Finebaum!  That's the way to get it handled. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: JR4AU on August 08, 2012, 12:23:52 AM
Hey... send the packet to Finebaum!  That's the way to get it handled.

He wouldn't understand any of of it.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 08, 2012, 05:02:50 AM
Sounds eerily similar to MANY cases involving uat players Chapman, Murphy, Fanning, Preyear, Fluker, Julio, to name a few....the last two came out of Foley High (Fluker was enrolled into 5 schools in the span of 4 years, before landing at Foley).

Also, Coach Pruitt was heavily involved in the Hoover Grade Changing scandal, his names was mentioned numerous times in the report, that got him a 1 year ban by the AHSAA.

So, not only do we have a University that does this on a yearly basis, we also have a College Coach that had been involved in a similar situation involving the same University that he's now a Staff Member of and the HS that he was a HC of....we also have the coaching connection between the Foley HC (who btw is full of shit when he stated that he didn't know that Paige was transferring, simple emails and/or texts will probably reveal that).
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 08, 2012, 05:46:49 AM
I'm sure AHSAA President and Big uat fan Steve Saverese will take swift action...

So, lets step back a second.

NCAA President Mark Emmert is tied at the hip to uat's HC.
AHSAA President is a Big fan of uat.
The Gov. of Alabama is a Big fan of uat.
The State media will never say a cross word against uat in fear of losing their job.
One of ESPN's main guys is a uat Alum.
One of the BCS' main guys is a uat Alum.
NY Times and the Tuscaloosa News are together.
uat Mouthpiece, Finebaum, is Nationwide.

Does that cover all of their bases for all of their blatant NCAA Violations?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 08, 2012, 08:43:46 AM
I'm sure AHSAA President and Big uat fan Steve Saverese will take swift action...

So, lets step back a second.

NCAA President Mark Emmert is tied at the hip to uat's HC.
AHSAA President is a Big fan of uat.
The Gov. of Alabama is a Big fan of uat.
The State media will never say a cross word against uat in fear of losing their job.
One of ESPN's main guys is a uat Alum.
One of the BCS' main guys is a uat Alum.
NY Times and the Tuscaloosa News are together.
uat Mouthpiece, Finebaum, is Nationwide.

Does that cover all of their bases for all of their blatant NCAA Violations?

You forgot Danny Sheraton.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2012, 08:53:10 AM
 :move:
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 08, 2012, 08:53:43 AM
:move:

Exactly. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: JP on August 08, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
Well al.com finally picked up on the story... Read the PNJ story and then the al.com one and see if you can spot the differences...

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/08/prep_football_standout_darius.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/08/prep_football_standout_darius.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: GH2001 on August 08, 2012, 10:16:41 AM
I'd take it to someone who'd do something with it, if I was the HSHC and if I didn't want to lose the kid...also if I lived in a one level house. I wouldn't take it to Charles Robinson, that's for damn sure (he's on the payroll). I'd take it to the guy in Miami or to AJC.

Isn't Robinson the one who blew the lid off the Miami scandal?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2012, 10:32:25 AM
Just a general question.  How is a kid who can't even make the grades needed to be eligible to play high school ball, going to meet the grade point and ACT/SAT scores to get in a D1 college?  I mean, let's be realistic here.  This kid is struggling so bad in the classroom that he can't even pass enough courses to play football, but suddenly he's going to be a model student at another school. 

I have no idea what the requirements are to get in to UA for a regular student. I imagine the standards are somewhat lower for athletes.  I believe at Auburn, the minimum ACT score is now 27. (I would have never made it in)  Now that this is out there, is no one going to monitor this and see if or how he suddenly began making good grades and making college eligible ACT or SAT scores?  Is he just going to slide on through without anyone questioning this?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 08, 2012, 10:32:46 AM
Isn't Robinson the one who blew the lid off the Miami scandal?

Yes, then subsequently wrote that Lord Saybinz was squeaky clean too.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2012, 11:20:28 AM
Just a general question.  How is a kid who can't even make the grades needed to be eligible to play high school ball, going to meet the grade point and ACT/SAT scores to get in a D1 college?  I mean, let's be realistic here.  This kid is struggling so bad in the classroom that he can't even pass enough courses to play football, but suddenly he's going to be a model student at another school. 

I have no idea what the requirements are to get in to UA for a regular student. I imagine the standards are somewhat lower for athletes.  I believe at Auburn, the minimum ACT score is now 27. (I would have never made it in)  Now that this is out there, is no one going to monitor this and see if or how he suddenly began making good grades and making college eligible ACT or SAT scores?  Is he just going to slide on through without anyone questioning this?
It is not for you to question.
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Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2012, 11:24:20 AM
It is not for you to question.
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Forgive me Lord Saybinz.  I have sinned against thee oh mighty one.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2012, 11:47:52 AM
He has all A's, He has all A's
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Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: JR4AU on August 08, 2012, 11:53:38 AM
Just a general question.  How is a kid who can't even make the grades needed to be eligible to play high school ball, going to meet the grade point and ACT/SAT scores to get in a D1 college?  I mean, let's be realistic here.  This kid is struggling so bad in the classroom that he can't even pass enough courses to play football, but suddenly he's going to be a model student at another school. 

I have no idea what the requirements are to get in to UA for a regular student. I imagine the standards are somewhat lower for athletes.  I believe at Auburn, the minimum ACT score is now 27. (I would have never made it in)  Now that this is out there, is no one going to monitor this and see if or how he suddenly began making good grades and making college eligible ACT or SAT scores?  Is he just going to slide on through without anyone questioning this?

The "minimum standards" and what actually gets in these days is vastly different.  All it takes to get admitted is a 2.0 and an 18 on the ACT.  Nobody with grades and scores like that gets in at Auburn, except Athletes.  I think I read the avg ACT for incoming Fr. at Auburn is like 27, and the avg GPA is @ 3.4.  I've known kids with decent grades and scores well above the stated "minimum standard" to get turned down.  They take the best grades and scores first, and limit the number they admit. 

And no, a kid that can't get eligible in HS shouldn't, in theory, be able to make the NCAA clearing house.  There's a sliding scale based on GPA and ACT, but you have to have a 2.0 minimum in your core classes.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: GH2001 on August 08, 2012, 11:56:22 AM
The "minimum standards" and what actually gets in these days is vastly different.  All it takes to get admitted is a 2.0 and an 18 on the ACT.  Nobody with grades and scores like that gets in at Auburn, except Athletes.  I think I read the avg ACT for incoming Fr. at Auburn is like 27, and the avg GPA is @ 3.4.  I've known kids with decent grades and scores well above the stated "minimum standard" to get turned down.  They take the best grades and scores first, and limit the number they admit. 

And no, a kid that can't get eligible in HS shouldn't, in theory, be able to make the NCAA clearing house.  There's a sliding scale based on GPA and ACT, but you have to have a 2.0 minimum in your core classes.

My cousin ran track at AU on scholly back in the Early 2000's and they monitored his grades like a hawk. He did poorly in a class one semester (can't remember if it was a D or what) and was placed in JUCO in Opelika until he got back up to a B Average. Short story, they didn't fuck around with bad grades. Not sure if the football team gets a little more leeway.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: JR4AU on August 08, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
My cousin ran track at AU on scholly back in the Early 2000's and they monitored his grades like a hawk. I did poorly in a class one semester (can't remember if it was a D or what) and was placed in JUCO in Opelika until he got back up to a B Average. Short story, they didn't fuck around with bad grades. Not sure if the football team gets a little more leeway.

I'm sure not everyone is treated the same, but by and large, my guess is Auburn coaches are like other coaches.  They ain't gonna fuck around with a problem child when they got so many other kids that can/will do what they have to do.  If your name is Cam Newton, or Bo Jackson, then I'm sure they will go to great lengths, but not for the average player.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
Just a general question.  How is a kid who can't even make the grades needed to be eligible to play high school ball, going to meet the grade point and ACT/SAT scores to get in a D1 college?  I mean, let's be realistic here.  This kid is struggling so bad in the classroom that he can't even pass enough courses to play football, but suddenly he's going to be a model student at another school. 

I have no idea what the requirements are to get in to UA for a regular student. I imagine the standards are somewhat lower for athletes.  I believe at Auburn, the minimum ACT score is now 27. (I would have never made it in)  Now that this is out there, is no one going to monitor this and see if or how he suddenly began making good grades and making college eligible ACT or SAT scores?  Is he just going to slide on through without anyone questioning this?

Foley has an outstanding remedial program.  Just outstanding. 

This place is infested with liars and thieves.  The coach at Daphne and the coach at Foley need to be fucking exterminated. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 08, 2012, 12:58:27 PM
Just a general question.  How is a kid who can't even make the grades needed to be eligible to play high school ball, going to meet the grade point and ACT/SAT scores to get in a D1 college?  I mean, let's be realistic here.  This kid is struggling so bad in the classroom that he can't even pass enough courses to play football, but suddenly he's going to be a model student at another school. 

I have no idea what the requirements are to get in to UA for a regular student. I imagine the standards are somewhat lower for athletes.  I believe at Auburn, the minimum ACT score is now 27. (I would have never made it in)  Now that this is out there, is no one going to monitor this and see if or how he suddenly began making good grades and making college eligible ACT or SAT scores?  Is he just going to slide on through without anyone questioning this?
The logic for Foley over Washington HS is because he can hypothetically get more credits at Foley due to the difference in scheduling between FL and AL schools. But, let's be realistic. This kid didn't give a shit about his grades the first two years of school. His GPA is fairly shitty now, but even if it improves, he more than likely isn't going to score high enough on the ACT to tip the sliding scale in his favor.

With all of this being said, and the NCAA supposedly knowing about it, I would hope that they go through all of his transcripts with a fine toothed comb when the time comes. Even if technically what Pruitt did isn't illegal according to the NCAA, it doesn't look proper.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2012, 01:05:36 PM
The logic for Foley over Washington HS is because he can hypothetically get more credits at Foley due to the difference in scheduling between FL and AL schools. But, let's be realistic. This kid didn't give a shit about his grades the first two years of school. His GPA is fairly shitty now, but even if it improves, he more than likely isn't going to score high enough on the ACT to tip the sliding scale in his favor.

With all of this being said, and the NCAA supposedly knowing about it, I would hope that they go through all of his transcripts with a fine toothed comb when the time comes. Even if technically what Pruitt did isn't illegal according to the NCAA, it doesn't look proper.

Sorry I have to do it for this one.

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Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 08, 2012, 01:06:05 PM
Sounds eerily similar to MANY cases involving uat players Chapman, Murphy, Fanning, Preyear, Fluker, Julio, to name a few....the last two came out of Foley High (Fluker was enrolled into 5 schools in the span of 4 years, before landing at Foley).

Also, Coach Pruitt was heavily involved in the Hoover Grade Changing scandal, his names was mentioned numerous times in the report, that got him a 1 year ban by the AHSAA.

So, not only do we have a University that does this on a yearly basis, we also have a College Coach that had been involved in a similar situation involving the same University that he's now a Staff Member of and the HS that he was a HC of....we also have the coaching connection between the Foley HC (who btw is full of shit when he stated that he didn't know that Paige was transferring, simple emails and/or texts will probably reveal that).
Funny, you didn't bat an eye when longtime Alabama fan Reuben Foster suddenly transferred to Auburn High for his senior season, then flipped to AU. Odd how two AU coaches have kids that play ball at that particular school as well. I bet he came up with that idea ALL by himself. Hey, I wonder how he paid for that tattoo?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
Funny, you didn't bat an eye when longtime Alabama fan Reuben Foster suddenly transferred to Auburn High for his senior season, then flipped to AU. Odd how two AU coaches have kids that play ball at that particular school as well. I bet he came up with that idea ALL by himself. Hey, I wonder how he paid for that tattoo?

Not saying its right, but your history of doing it and our history, are waaaaaay different.

You ain't even trying to compare body counts...boyeee
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2012, 01:17:24 PM
Foster is just taking advantage of the freebies at AU til he flips back.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 08, 2012, 01:18:43 PM
Not saying its right, but your history of doing it and our history, are waaaaaay different.
I understand that, and I also don't agree with it either. For that matter, Foster transferred much for the same reason that Paige did. He could get more credits at an Alabama school. The only difference is, he did it with the intention of graduating early. 

Here's the deal. What it sounds like is that Paige wasn't happy with the way that Washington was handling his academic situation. Maybe he thought that the school wasn't trying hard enough to help him, but maybe he is too dumb for the school to do anything for him as far as schedule change, etc. So he tells Pruitt that he might not qualify. Pruitt goes to the administration to ask them what the deal is. I don't think it is uncommon for student athletes in high school to have an academic plan (I had one in 8th grade before I started my freshman year), and I don't necessarily think it is wrong for a coach that is recruiting an athlete to be concerned with that plan. But if Pruitt specifically suggested Foley, that is what I have a problem with. Maybe he only suggested Foley because it is the closest Alabama high school. I don't know. But he shouldn't have. Let the family figure that out. That is something they would have easily figured out on their own, and it doesn't look improper.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2012, 01:21:36 PM
Cue next goat rape pic in 3...2...1....
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2012, 01:24:10 PM
I understand that, and I also don't agree with it either. For that matter, Foster transferred much for the same reason that Paige did. He could get more credits at an Alabama school. The only difference is, he did it with the intention of graduating early. 

Here's the deal. What it sounds like is that Paige wasn't happy with the way that Washington was handling his academic situation. Maybe he thought that the school wasn't trying hard enough to help him, but maybe he is too dumb for the school to do anything for him as far as schedule change, etc. So he tells Pruitt that he might not qualify. Pruitt goes to the administration to ask them what the deal is. I don't think it is uncommon for student athletes in high school to have an academic plan (I had one in 8th grade before I started my freshman year), and I don't necessarily think it is wrong for a coach that is recruiting an athlete to be concerned with that plan. But if Pruitt specifically suggested Foley, that is what I have a problem with. Maybe he only suggested Foley because it is the closest Alabama high school. I don't know. But he shouldn't have. Let the family figure that out. That is something they would have easily figured out on their own, and it doesn't look improper.

So what game you going to this year?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Saniflush on August 08, 2012, 01:24:18 PM
I understand that, and I also don't agree with it either. For that matter, Foster transferred much for the same reason that Paige did. He could get more credits at an Alabama school. The only difference is, he did it with the intention of graduating early. 

Here's the deal. What it sounds like is that Paige wasn't happy with the way that Washington was handling his academic situation. Maybe he thought that the school wasn't trying hard enough to help him, but maybe he is too dumb for the school to do anything for him as far as schedule change, etc. So he tells Pruitt that he might not qualify. Pruitt goes to the administration to ask them what the deal is. I don't think it is uncommon for student athletes in high school to have an academic plan (I had one in 8th grade before I started my freshman year), and I don't necessarily think it is wrong for a coach that is recruiting an athlete to be concerned with that plan. But if Pruitt specifically suggested Foley, that is what I have a problem with. Maybe he only suggested Foley because it is the closest Alabama high school. I don't know. But he shouldn't have. Let the family figure that out. That is something they would have easily figured out on their own, and it doesn't look improper.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 08, 2012, 01:25:03 PM
Cue next goat rape pic in 3...2...1....
It's almost like you're hoping. Hmmmmmmm.....you must have alot in the spank bank by now.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2012, 01:28:48 PM
On a somewhat related note...not really...a client came to me who's son was a really good soccer player in HS.  Crappy grades and an 18 on the ACT in his Junior year.  All of a sudden, college soccer corches start getting on him and he gets all fired up.  Realizes he has to get his stuff together and starts making good grades.  He takes a prep course for the ACT and nails a 28 in his senior year.  Signs with a college and gets started when the ACT folks come back and say invalid test score.  No way you can make that big a jump. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2012, 01:29:14 PM
It's almost like you're hoping. Hmmmmmmm.....you must have alot in the spank bank by now.

Those goat pics have good fapability
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 08, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
So what game you going to this year?
I might actually go to one this year. Not sure. I was thinking about going to the Jerry Dome, but I'm working that day. Trying to save money and time. My wife is 20 weeks pregnant and hates football. She's due in January, so if I go, I will need to do it in the first part of the season. When I do go, I will take a picture and try to incorporate a goat into it or something. Just for you.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2012, 01:30:26 PM
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Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Saniflush on August 08, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
On a somewhat related note...not really...a client came to me who's son was a really good soccer player in HS.  Crappy grades and an 18 on the ACT in his Junior year.  All of a sudden, college soccer corches start getting on him and he gets all fired up.  Realizes he has to get his stuff together and starts making good grades.  He takes a prep course for the ACT and nails a 28 in his senior year.  Signs with a college and gets started when the ACT folks come back and say invalid test score.  No way you can make that big a jump.

Does seem like a pretty high jump but what are they saying he did?

What if it went the other way?  From a 28 to an 18.  Would they say that one is invalid as well?

I made a 27 on mine and cruised through school with a low C average. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
Does seem like a pretty high jump but what are they saying he did?

What if it went the other way?  From a 28 to an 18.  Would they say that one is invalid as well?

I made a 27 on mine and cruised through school with a low C average.

They just said they won't allow that kind of jump.  Too suspicious.  But the kid did in fact get his shit together.  Came from a family where there was no way he was ever going to be able to go to college.  Then the opportunity came and he got serious.  Took the ACT the first time just showed up and didn't give a rip.  Second time, he was prepared.  I helped with the appeal but dropped the whole thing when the kid got a DUI...slammed his car nto another one at school and dropped out.  Dumbass.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
I might actually go to one this year. Not sure. I was thinking about going to the Jerry Dome, but I'm working that day. Trying to save money and time. My wife is 20 weeks pregnant and hates football. She's due in January, so if I go, I will need to do it in the first part of the season. When I do go, I will take a picture and try to incorporate a goat into it or something. Just for you.
Yet keeping your streak alive of never seeing a game in BDS
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 08, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Yet keeping your streak alive of never seeing a game in BDS
Touché.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: JR4AU on August 08, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
I understand that, and I also don't agree with it either. For that matter, Foster transferred much for the same reason that Paige did. He could get more credits at an Alabama school. The only difference is, he did it with the intention of graduating early. 

Here's the deal. What it sounds like is that Paige wasn't happy with the way that Washington was handling his academic situation. Maybe he thought that the school wasn't trying hard enough to help him, but maybe he is too dumb for the school to do anything for him as far as schedule change, etc. So he tells Pruitt that he might not qualify. Pruitt goes to the administration to ask them what the deal is. I don't think it is uncommon for student athletes in high school to have an academic plan (I had one in 8th grade before I started my freshman year), and I don't necessarily think it is wrong for a coach that is recruiting an athlete to be concerned with that plan. But if Pruitt specifically suggested Foley, that is what I have a problem with. Maybe he only suggested Foley because it is the closest Alabama high school. I don't know. But he shouldn't have. Let the family figure that out. That is something they would have easily figured out on their own, and it doesn't look improper.

tl/dr
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: GH2001 on August 08, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
I was thinking about going to the Jerry Dome, but I'm working that day. 
Yeah, thats it. That's why you aren't going. If only you had that day off.  :taunt:


  My wife is 20 weeks pregnant.
Does the goat know youve been cheating?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2012, 03:37:44 PM
Does the goat know youve been cheating?

She gets PAID to do the wild thing. 

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Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: ssgaufan on August 08, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
She gets PAID to do the wild thing. 

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--xfC9OumDo4/TcbXwP9bD5I/AAAAAAAAA3k/Rb5j4wtCVS8/s400/sexygoat2.jpg)

 :bugs:
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 08, 2012, 06:22:57 PM
Rws, do you really want to play the lets see who's grade fixing game. There's another name that I left off the ”off the top of my head” list and that's Jalston Fowler...care to tell us the uat spin on his case?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 08, 2012, 06:44:19 PM
Funny, you didn't bat an eye when longtime Alabama fan Reuben Foster suddenly transferred to Auburn High for his senior season, then flipped to AU. Odd how two AU coaches have kids that play ball at that particular school as well. I bet he came up with that idea ALL by himself. Hey, I wonder how he paid for that tattoo?
Foster was eligible to play ball in Georgia. Paige is not eligible in Florida. That's a huge difference in the two. Paige was moved to Foley so he could be "taken care of better" by his academic monitors.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 08, 2012, 08:08:25 PM
National News now.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/08/ex-coach-says-alabama-assistant-pushed-recruit-to-transfer/1#.UCL2f4l5mc1
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 08, 2012, 08:22:04 PM
National News now.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/08/ex-coach-says-alabama-assistant-pushed-recruit-to-transfer/1#.UCL2f4l5mc1

Now it has legs...
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 08, 2012, 08:30:45 PM
Tic-Tock Tic-Tock Tic-Tock Tic-Tock Tic-Tock
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2012, 08:45:05 PM
Over/under on the amount of time it takes Don Kausler or Jon Solomon to write an article explaining why it's all perfectly cool and there's no issue whatsoever. 

14 hours.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: JR4AU on August 08, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Over/under on the amount of time it takes Don Kausler or Jon Solomon to write an article explaining why it's all perfectly cool and there's no issue whatsoever. 

14 hours.

Don't forget, that anybody trying to push it is just fucking nuts.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 08, 2012, 10:29:10 PM
Over/under on the amount of time it takes Don Kausler or Jon Solomon to write an article explaining why it's all perfectly cool and there's no issue whatsoever. 

14 hours.

Not sure how to play this game since we're posting at different times.

But I bet it's the first article posted to al.com tomorrow morning, and I bet it stays on the front page all day long. 

Further, the over/under for the rest of the media to forget about this scandal is set at noon. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 09, 2012, 12:24:14 AM
Over/under on the amount of time it takes Don Kausler or Jon Solomon to write an article explaining why it's all perfectly cool and there's no issue whatsoever. 

14 hours.

I'm taking the under.  And adding Izzy Gould to that list...
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on August 09, 2012, 12:25:15 AM
National News now.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/08/ex-coach-says-alabama-assistant-pushed-recruit-to-transfer/1#.UCL2f4l5mc1

USA Today?  I bet Danny Sheridan is behind this.  He always has the hot scoop.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: GH2001 on August 09, 2012, 01:11:07 PM
Don't forget, that anybody trying to push it is just fucking nuts.

I bet you Gregg Doyel would run with it. Or on a lesser degree, Brooks.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 09, 2012, 03:11:33 PM
Not on al.com yet, but IBleedCrimsonRed was all over it yesterday.

http://www.ibleedcrimsonred.com/2012/08/quotable-darius-paige-transfer-to-foley.html
Quote
Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Quotable: Darius Paige transfer to Foley is “on the up-and-up”

image The controversy that wasn’t: Alabama football commitment Darius Page of Pensacola, Florida is transferring to nearby Foley High School, located no more than 30 miles as the crow flies from his original panhandle home.

The controversy? His former coach and former athletic director accused Alabama coach Jeremy Pruitt of steering him to Foley for nefarious purposes like improving his chances of academically qualifying to play.

Them cheatin’ Bammers, PAWWWLLL!!!

Pruitt and Alabama can’t defend themselves against allegations like this because NCAA by-laws expressly forbid them from discussing prospective student-athletes that they may or may not be recruiting.

So, allow me.

Hell Yeah, Pruitt steered Paige to Foley and there’s not a damned thing anyone can do about it, because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. There are no NCAA by-laws forbidding him or anyone else from answering an inquiry about steps a kid can take to become eligible to play college football. That includes advice on which schools are better suited to getting him where he needs to be.

So screw all y’all raising the ruckus over Paige’s midnight move across the state line. Whatcha gonna do about it?

Instead, go look into Reuben Foster’s transfer to Auburn High School and subsequent commitment switch from Alabama to Auburn. Want to know why Foster transferred? Because he needs help to qualify academically and he was leaving a program that just lost its coach. Sounds a lot like the Paige deal, doesn’t it?

It’s all on the up-and-up, folks. Don’t ask me. Ask John Infante, author of the only blog dedicated to coverage and discussion of NCAA compliance rules.

“Not only does this transfer appear to be on the up-and-up, but the explanation given is even commendable. If a kid needs to play catch-up with the eligibility requirements, you’d much rather he do it in a regular classroom,” Infante said today on Twitter.

“Regular classroom” means during the normal fall semester setting rather than summer school, which is much less structured. It also means in a “block system” that allows a player to take additional courses (eight rather than six) and improve his academic performance. His old school didn’t offer that. His new one does.

So, Hell Yeah. Pruitt not only (probably) did steer Paige to Foley, he did the kid a great favor in the process and does so with the blessing of the NCAA.

Exit Question: When was the last time a Nick Saban led football program was placed on probation for recruiting violations? I’ll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 09, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA... :rofl:


Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AWK on August 09, 2012, 03:20:16 PM
Weapons of Mass Destruction are "on the up- and- up"
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AWK on August 09, 2012, 03:20:56 PM
Milli Vanilli is "on the up- and- up"
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 09, 2012, 03:26:22 PM
The Loch Ness Monster is "on the up and up"
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 09, 2012, 03:29:46 PM
Enron is on the up- and- up
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AWK on August 09, 2012, 03:36:45 PM
Nigerian Royal Relatives Emails are "on the up- and- up"
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 09, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
My use of quotation marks is "on the up- and- up"
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Saniflush on August 09, 2012, 03:37:38 PM
Jim is on the up and up.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 09, 2012, 03:38:07 PM
Mark Ingram's heisman run is "on the up- and- up"
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 09, 2012, 03:38:47 PM
Nigerian Royal Relatives Emails are "on the up- and- up"

Got one today from Prince Abdullah Oshwahshabon about $45 mil.  It looked to be "on the up and up" so I'm sending the $1,500.00 needed to make the transfer of funds.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 09, 2012, 05:36:22 PM
Reuben Foster is trying to graduate early...his grades aren't a question, especially since he transferred to one of the best/hardest academic High Schools in the State.

Darius Paige wasn't eligible to play his Junior Season at Washington High, due to not having high enough grades...
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 09, 2012, 05:42:22 PM
Darius Paige wasn't eligible to play his Junior Season at Washington High, due to not having high enough grades...
And the good folks at the Capstone were willing to loan him some of theirs.  Such humanitarians.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: GH2001 on August 10, 2012, 09:48:33 AM
Reuben Foster is trying to graduate early...his grades aren't a question, especially since he transferred to one of the best/hardest academic High Schools in the State.


THIS....going from Troup County to Auburn High School is a huge step up in Academics. Troup County is a dump. You wouldn't be making that move to make things easier in the classroom. Besides, there is the element of his coach moving from one to the other first. I don't see anything remotely similar to the Bama situation other than a transfer took place. Thats it.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 10, 2012, 12:49:34 PM
Reuben Foster is trying to graduate early...his grades aren't a question, especially since he transferred to one of the best/hardest academic High Schools in the State.

Darius Paige wasn't eligible to play his Junior Season at Washington High, due to not having high enough grades...
You don't get it Prowler ..bama doesn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 10, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
You don't get it Prowler ..bama doesn't do anything wrong.

On my mandatory 10 minutes of PF yesterday, "Doc" said,

"There is no reason for any recruit to want to go to Auburn over Alabama.  The only reason they're getting these guys is because Trooper Taylor is paying them.  It's going on now and has been going on forever.  I know for a fact because I can't tell you the names, but I have talked to coaches and they'll tell you it's fact that Trooper is paying these recruits.  When fat boy yellow guy was sitting on the board, he was paying the players...it's always gone on at Auburn."

Even Paul laughed at the guy.  But, he got what he wanted.  People started calling in.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 02, 2013, 02:59:25 PM
Darius Page was processed today.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 02, 2013, 03:38:03 PM
Darius Page was processed today.
Apparently something came up in the physical they get when they first arrive on campus.  The silver lining, if any, is that it opened up a spot for a guy that planned on greyshirting.  I know none of you will shed a tear either way, so.... 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
"Darius Paige has medical issues that has caused our medical staff to think that it is not safe for him to play, so he has been medically disqualified," Saban said.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: djsimp on August 02, 2013, 03:44:40 PM
Apparently something came up in the physical they get when they first arrive on campus.

I'm guessing it wasn't his grades.....
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 02, 2013, 03:45:08 PM
"Darius Paige has medical issues that has caused our medical staff to think that it is not safe for him to play, so he has been medically disqualified," Saban said.
Kind of sad for him, really.  I mean, the kid was on campus all of like 3 weeks.  Done even before his first practice.  If I had to guess, must be a heart issue if they were that quick and sure about it. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 02, 2013, 04:15:50 PM
Yeah, rws, it's called a bullshit medical hardship..."undisclosed, unknown until a few days before practice, medical condition."
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 02, 2013, 04:24:08 PM
Kind of sad for him, really.  I mean, the kid was on campus all of like 3 weeks.  Done even before his first practice.  If I had to guess, must be a heart issue if they were that quick and sure about it.

Saban said that he would get to keep his scholarship and get an education, so maybe there is at least somewhat of an upside to it...assuming that the devil is required to keep his promises.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2013, 04:44:22 PM
Saban said that he would get to keep his scholarship and get an education, so maybe there is at least somewhat of an upside to it...assuming that the devil is required to keep his promises.
Yes but, can you do anything with a University of bammer diploma, outside of using it to wipe dirt off your ass?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 02, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Yeah, rws, it's called a bullshit medical hardship..."undisclosed, unknown until a few days before practice, medical condition."
If the kid had been on campus a few years, then whatever.  He was on campus for 3 weeks, and they found the problem on his first physical.  I don't know how else they were supposed to find out prior to that.  Given the situation, you're a moron if you really think there was some sort of ulterior motive here.  It wouldn't make sense.  I do understand that you are incapable of thinking for yourself, though.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 02, 2013, 06:23:19 PM
Saban said that he would get to keep his scholarship and get an education, so maybe there is at least somewhat of an upside to it...assuming that the devil is required to keep his promises.
It is a medical hardship, so yeah, he will get to keep his scholarship to the school.  Just sucks that he won't be able to do what he wants, which is play football.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUownsU on August 02, 2013, 07:36:33 PM
Darius Paige‏ @Darius_Paige 10h
Nobody deserves to be treated like an option
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 02, 2013, 09:42:17 PM
Darius Paige‏ @Darius_Paige 10h
Nobody deserves to be treated like an option
If you look down his tweets, he has a bunch of shit like that towards his girlfriend.  It's not like he woke up today and found out about it.  He has known since his physical.  But hey, since he is perfectly fine medically, I'm sure he will easily be able to play somewhere else.

Like I said before, it makes no sense for them to do it just to fuck with people.  They certainly wouldn't do it just to bring in a guy who was going to greyshirt anyway.  They would have pulled the scholarship to make room for a blue chip before signing day if they were just going to be dicks. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 03, 2013, 01:19:45 AM
If you look down his tweets, he has a bunch of shit like that towards his girlfriend.  It's not like he woke up today and found out about it.  He has known since his physical.  But hey, since he is perfectly fine medically, I'm sure he will easily be able to play somewhere else.

Like I said before, it makes no sense for them to do it just to fuck with people.  They certainly wouldn't do it just to bring in a guy who was going to greyshirt anyway.  They would have pulled the scholarship to make room for a blue chip before signing day if they were just going to be dicks.
Spin it rws....SPIN IT!!!!!!!

Will Paige be another uat athlete that leaves the school to play at a lower division college, while stating that nothing was wrong with him but the uat doctors, with the advice of Coach Midget, tells him that there was. Working out with the team? Check. Conditioning with the team? Check. Start classes soon? Oh, uhhh.....

(http://www.tigersx.com/images/lord_sabinz.jpg)
***Medical Hardship***
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 03, 2013, 11:07:55 AM
Spin it rws....SPIN IT!!!!!!!

Will Paige be another uat athlete that leaves the school to play at a lower division college, while stating that nothing was wrong with him but the uat doctors, with the advice of Coach Midget, tells him that there was. Working out with the team? Check. Conditioning with the team? Check. Start classes soon? Oh, uhhh.....

Only time will tell, but the fact that a greyshirt was brought in to replace him and he's keeping his scholarship indicates otherwise.

It may seem a little odd that a medical issue is just now coming up, but it's not like this is the first time an athlete has gotten through to the collegiate level without a medical issue being discovered.  Hell, R.A. Dickey didn't learn of his medical condition until he was going to the pros.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 03, 2013, 12:34:11 PM
Only time will tell, but the fact that a greyshirt was brought in to replace him and he's keeping his scholarship indicates otherwise.

It may seem a little odd that a medical issue is just now coming up, but it's not like this is the first time an athlete has gotten through to the collegiate level without a medical issue being discovered.  Hell, R.A. Dickey didn't learn of his medical condition until he was going to the pros.
Exactly.  If there was some ulterior motive, it makes absolutely no sense that it unfolded the way that it did. 

As far as Prowler's comment about guys playing in lower divisions after being disqualified at UA, he is talking out of his ass.  Out of the group of like 4 guys that were the subject of that story a few years ago, all but one were also disqualified by schools they tried to transfer to.  The one guy that got through played in 3 games and was then disqualified for the same diabetic issue that UA dismissed him for.  Can't remember the name of that guy.  Like I have said before, if UA is full of shit on all of these, then certainly these guys will go play somewhere else.  But they don't.  Because they can't.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 03, 2013, 08:19:40 PM
Only time will tell, but the fact that a greyshirt was brought in to replace him and he's keeping his scholarship indicates otherwise.

It may seem a little odd that a medical issue is just now coming up, but it's not like this is the first time an athlete has gotten through to the collegiate level without a medical issue being discovered.  Hell, R.A. Dickey didn't learn of his medical condition until he was going to the pros.

You said dickey
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 03, 2013, 08:57:58 PM
Exactly.  If there was some ulterior motive, it makes absolutely no sense that it unfolded the way that it did. 

As far as Prowler's comment about guys playing in lower divisions after being disqualified at UA, he is talking out of his ass.  Out of the group of like 4 guys that were the subject of that story a few years ago, all but one were also disqualified by schools they tried to transfer to.  The one guy that got through played in 3 games and was then disqualified for the same diabetic issue that UA dismissed him for.  Can't remember the name of that guy.  Like I have said before, if UA is full of shit on all of these, then certainly these guys will go play somewhere else.  But they don't.  Because they can't.
So, I'm "talking out of my ass"...but then you state that there was a player that was cleared by the doctors to play at another school after being deemed unable to play at uat.
Then there's this...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth#articleTabs%3Darticle
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on August 03, 2013, 11:00:52 PM
So, I'm "talking out of my ass"...but then you state that there was a player that was cleared by the doctors to play at another school after being deemed unable to play at uat.
Then there's this...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth#articleTabs%3Darticle
At least 12 times since coach Nick Saban took over the program in 2007, Alabama has offered players a "medical" scholarship

o.k., but the article didn't mention that they have more "nashynul champunships" than medical scholly transfers--so it's a pretty good trade. But, apparently all of the medical scholarships are actually verifiable and were not awarded by the Tuscaloosa Tribune or the Atmore Western Auto in 1857.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 04, 2013, 07:26:47 AM
So, I'm "talking out of my ass"...but then you state that there was a player that was cleared by the doctors to play at another school after being deemed unable to play at uat.
And as I said, he made it 3 games before that team also disqualified him for the same diabetes issue that UA disqualified him for.  Which tells me that he never should have been cleared by the second team.  On top of that, two of the three guys in that WSJ story said that they agreed with their diagnosis, and the decision was entirely theirs.  One of the two was even asked to stay on as a student coach, and agreed.  The other one said that he worked with doctors and trainers in regards to his shoulder over the course of his junior year, and the decision to take the medical was completely up to him.     

Fuck, I hate trying to reason with your dumb ass.

Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 04, 2013, 09:32:55 AM
And as I said, he made it 3 games before that team also disqualified him for the same diabetes issue that UA disqualified him for.  Which tells me that he never should have been cleared by the second team.  On top of that, two of the three guys in that WSJ story said that they agreed with their diagnosis, and the decision was entirely theirs.  One of the two was even asked to stay on as a student coach, and agreed.  The other one said that he worked with doctors and trainers in regards to his shoulder over the course of his junior year, and the decision to take the medical was completely up to him.     

Fuck, I hate trying to reason with your dumb ass.
Spin it rws...SPIN IT!!!!!!!!!

To bad you're too retarded to see that those players were forced to agree to take the medical hardship.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 04, 2013, 10:39:04 AM
At least 12 times since coach Nick Saban took over the program in 2007, Alabama has offered players a "medical" scholarship

o.k., but the article didn't mention that they have more "nashynul champunships" than medical scholly transfers--so it's a pretty good trade. But, apparently all of the medical scholarships are actually verifiable and were not awarded by the Tuscaloosa Tribune or the Atmore Western Auto in 1857.
And that was 3 years ago. Wonder what we're up to now?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: jmar on August 04, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
     
Fuck, I hate trying to reason with your dumb ass.
Preposterous! You wouldn't have it any other way.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 05, 2013, 08:08:31 AM
Another player has been processed (actually he was processed after the A-Day game)...OL Caleb Gulledge. Reason? Undisclosed chronic medical "issue"...

(http://www.tigersx.com/images/lord_sabinz.jpg)
***Medical Hardship***

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/08/alabama_ol_caleb_gulledge_was.html#incart_maj-story-1
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 05, 2013, 09:05:59 AM
They certainly seem to have a lot of medical hardships.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 05, 2013, 09:46:48 AM
They certainly seem to have a lot of medical hardships.
Probably the HUNH.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Six on August 05, 2013, 11:12:58 AM
Probably the HUNH.

No, our players probably shot them 'cause we are the gang violence capital of the world.  :taunt:
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 05, 2013, 05:38:40 PM
Speaking of academic cheating, uat ATH commit Bo Scarbrough is transferring from Tuscaloosa County to IMG Academy in Florida...two months after he transferred from Northridge to Tuscaloosa County.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: wesfau2 on August 05, 2013, 06:01:20 PM
Speaking of academic cheating, uat ATH commit Bo Scarbrough is transferring from Tuscaloosa County to IMG Academy in Florida...two months after he transferred from Northridge to Tuscaloosa County.

The Darius Page program.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 05, 2013, 06:24:52 PM
The Darius Page program.
This one is more expensive...$66,400 w/ room for a year or $52,700 w/o room.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: wesfau2 on August 05, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
This one is more expensive...$66,400 w/ room for a year or $52,700 w/o room.

What?  How the fuck is anyone paying for/justifying this?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: jmar on August 05, 2013, 08:01:07 PM
http://tuscpreps.com/news/article/46386/scarbrough-franks-transfer-to-tuscaloosa-county-high/

Even so, and this is a bit old but...check out what constitutes a bonafide move for a transfer.
I liked the comments by Smith, the Head Coach of Northridge.

Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 05, 2013, 08:10:28 PM
What?  How the fuck is anyone paying for/justifying this?
Just a squirrel trying to get a nut.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 05, 2013, 11:20:51 PM
http://tuscpreps.com/news/article/46386/scarbrough-franks-transfer-to-tuscaloosa-county-high/

Even so, and this is a bit old but...check out what constitutes a bonafide move for a transfer.
I liked the comments by Smith, the Head Coach of Northridge.

Quote
"We thought County High would be the best place academically," Scarbrough said. "We just think that they have stuff different that helps you more with your school work, tutoring and stuff like that."

Apparently he needs more than just tutoring...I'm guessing uat has someone setup at IMG to make sure his grades are adjusted. He'll have some kind of learning disability that'll allow him to take tests multiple times until he passes them (like what they did with Reuben Foster).
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUownsU on August 13, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
Yeah so this happening. JSU must have a damn fine medical staff on hand...

 http://annistonstar.com/view/full_story/23350732/article-JSU-notebook--Gamecocks-add-former-Tide-lineman-to-the-roster?instance=sports_main_jsu
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 13, 2013, 11:43:03 AM
Quote
Gulledge was medically disqualified from Alabama in the spring for what Tide coach Nick Saban called "a chronic medical issue."
 

"You know, he had this chronic medical issue, aight?  He just couldn't ever seem to be right in the head.  We tell him to run faster or as fast as the others guys, aight, but he just wouldn't or couldn't, I don't know.  Sometimes we'd ask him to lift heavy things, aight?  Lift 4 or 5 hundred pounds off his chest but he said his arms wouldn't go up or something, aight?  So whatever his issue is, he needs to get it checked out by a doctor and until then, he's no longer a part of this program.  We wish him the best."
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 22, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
Quote

Really, I've always given guys more rope than they deserve, and I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them so they can stay in school and graduate, where other people just get rid of them. I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors."
Really, you lieing piece of shit? You don't make the decision? You just stated that you medical them, not we, not our "great doctors", but you...you medical them. You even made a statement about why you feel good about medicaling them and how others just "get rid of them".

($1 to Tiger 444 on the Bunker)

Medical Hardships (unable to ever play again):
2007, Byron Walton
2007, Aaron McDanial
2007, Jake Jones
2007, Byron Walton
2008, Ivan Matchett
2008, Charles Hoke
2008, Ezekial Knight
2009, Jermaine Griffin
2009, Charles Kirschman
2010, Darius McKeller
2010, Taylor Pharr
2010, Milton Talbert
2013, Darius Page
2013, Caleb Gulledge


http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/medical-hardship/
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 22, 2013, 09:45:31 PM
Really, you lieing piece of shit? You don't make the decision? You just stated that you medical them, not we, not our "great doctors", but you...you medical them. You even made a statement about why you feel good about medicaling them and how others just "get rid of them".

($1 to Tiger 444 on the Bunker)

Medical Hardships (unable to ever play again):
2007, Byron Walton
2007, Aaron McDanial
2007, Jake Jones
2007, Byron Walton
2008, Ivan Matchett
2008, Charles Hoke
2008, Ezekial Knight
2009, Jermaine Griffin
2009, Charles Kirschman
2010, Darius McKeller
2010, Taylor Pharr
2010, Milton Talbert
2013, Darius Page
2013, Caleb Gulledge


http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/medical-hardship/
I know that I'm wasting my time here, but I think the translation of that is, the doctors tell the staff that the kid isn't able to play anymore.  At that point it is up to the coach as to how exactly they are going to handle it; whether it is letting the kid sit on the sidelines on scholarship, medical hardship scholarship, not renewing the scholarship, whatever the case may be.  Simple concept.  The doctors don't tell the coaches how to handle it, they just tell them whether the kid has an issue or not.

Out of that list of players, which ones went on to meaningful football careers at other schools?  I mean, since absolutely nothing was wrong with them, I'm sure they all continued their careers somewhere else.  Certainly other team doctors cleared them no problem since absolutely nothing was wrong.

I mean, shit, just off the top of my head I know Ezekial Knight had a stroke and then had heart surgery. 
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 22, 2013, 10:01:37 PM
I know that I'm wasting my time here, but I think the translation of that is, the doctors tell the staff that the kid isn't able to play anymore.  At that point it is up to the coach as to how exactly they are going to handle it; whether it is letting the kid sit on the sidelines on scholarship, medical hardship scholarship, not renewing the scholarship, whatever the case may be.  Simple concept.  The doctors don't tell the coaches how to handle it, they just tell them whether the kid has an issue or not.

Out of that list of players, which ones went on to meaningful football careers at other schools?  I mean, since absolutely nothing was wrong with them, I'm sure they all continued their careers somewhere else.  Certainly other team doctors cleared them no problem since absolutely nothing was wrong.

I mean, shit, just off the top of my head I know Ezekial Knight had a stroke and then had heart surgery. 
Ummm...

Yeah so this happening. JSU must have a damn fine medical staff on hand...

 http://annistonstar.com/view/full_story/23350732/article-JSU-notebook--Gamecocks-add-former-Tide-lineman-to-the-roster?instance=sports_main_jsu
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 22, 2013, 10:14:38 PM
Just from a trip to teh Googles.....

Walton -- Was blacking out during workouts, having to be carried into the training room.  Was pissing blood.  His kidneys almost failed. Was diagnosed with rhabdomyolysis, which is a condition that breaks down muscles during times of physical activity.  He ended up being a student assistant for the team.

McDanial -- Blew out his knee in the Arkansas game in 2006

Jones -- Some sort of reoccurring leg problem.

Matchett -- Back injury; unknown extent.

Hoke -- Reoccurring shoulder dislocation.

Griffin -- He never could fully recover from a season ending knee surgery.

Kirschman -- Had a back problem that he felt he could play through.

McKeller -- Had a wrist injury that required numerous surgeries to correct.  Transferred to USA where he is a deep snapper.

Pharr -- Suffered multiple concussions in a span of 2 months.  Stayed on as a student assistant. 

Talbert -- Reoccurring shoulder issue that was operated on and did not heal.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 22, 2013, 10:16:48 PM
Ummm...
So, how many games has he played in since he enrolled at JSU? 

Could some of the guys have toughed through an issue?  Maybe.  But you also have to look at it from a liability standpoint as well.  Should you allow a guy with multiple concussions to keep playing?  If he has 2 concussions over a time span of a few months, how many more do you allow him to have?  How many more shoulder dislocations should you allow?  Are you going to allow a guy whose kidneys are failing to keep going?  Ezekial had a stroke?  Fuck it, send him in.  I don't give a shit if he has heart surgery tomorrow.  He's playing!  If Gulledge has some herniated disks, how long to you let him play with that?

The whole medical scholarship also loses some steam when you consider that nearly every year some walk-ons are awarded scholarships as well.  And just recently, when Page failed his physical when he came on campus and got a medical scholarship, they gave his spot to a guy who planned on grey shirting.  A guy who more than likely will redshirt.

Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 23, 2013, 12:25:24 AM
Like I've said before...many, many times before, rws you're apparently too stupid to realize when the truth continuously slaps you in the face. The doctors do what they're told...if they want to continue practicing in the State of Alabama. Time for you to take off your dumbass houndstooth blinders and look at everything that happens at uat. I'm not even talking about High School prospects and recruiting either.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 23, 2013, 07:48:45 AM
Like I've said before...many, many times before, rws you're apparently too stupid to realize when the truth continuously slaps you in the face. The doctors do what they're told...if they want to continue practicing in the State of Alabama. Time for you to take off your dumbass houndstooth blinders and look at everything that happens at uat. I'm not even talking about High School prospects and recruiting either.
Well, since you apparently have the inside scoop, which of those guys were absolutely fine and had no reason whatsoever why they should have been put on a medical scholarship?  I find it a little difficult to believe that they're culling these guys out for no reason when they are already under the 85 limit, and they are handing out scholarships to walk-ons, kickers, punters, etc.  Most of the walk-ons that they are giving scholarships to aren't really playing either.  Do you mean to tell me that Saban is trading out 3* and 4* players for walk-ons on the scout team?  That doesn't make much sense.

Take the Darius Page situation for example.  The kid fails his entry physical and takes medical.  They give his spot to a guy that planned on greyshirting, and who will more than likely redshirt.  All of that after, according to you, Alabama cheated their asses off to get Page qualified.  But they falsely gave him a medical scholarship?  Doesn't make sense that they did it under a false pretense.  Just like it doesn't make sense for about half of the list you posted above.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AUChizad on August 23, 2013, 09:37:30 AM
I find it a little difficult to believe that they're culling these guys out for no reason when they are already under the 85 limit, and they are handing out scholarships to walk-ons, kickers, punters, etc.
Because you're a brainwashed Gump.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: RWS on August 23, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
Because you're a brainwashed Gump.
Perhaps you can clear this up for me, then.  Which players out of that list had absolutely nothing wrong with them and were wrongfully given medical hardship scholarships?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on August 23, 2013, 01:41:22 PM
Perhaps you can clear this up for me, then.  Which players out of that list had absolutely nothing wrong with them and were wrongfully given medical hardship scholarships?

I'll take a stab....Copy paste

Just from a trip to teh Googles.....

Walton -- Was blacking out during workouts, having to be carried into the training room.  Was pissing blood.  His kidneys almost failed. Was diagnosed with rhabdomyolysis, which is a condition that breaks down muscles during times of physical activity.  He ended up being a student assistant for the team.  This one was legit

McDanial -- Blew out his knee in the Arkansas game in 2006  Well that's true, nobody ever come back from a knee injury and performed again, right Mr. McGahee and Peterson? - processed

Jones -- Some sort of reoccurring leg problem.  Well that's oddly unspecific - processed

Matchett -- Back injury; unknown extent.  Again, lots of details - processed

Hoke -- Reoccurring shoulder dislocation. Shoulder dislocation?  There are guys who only miss 2 plays after a shoulder dislocation.  In Lethal Weapon Mel Gibson dislocated his shoulder and ended apartheid 10 minutes later - processed

Griffin -- He never could fully recover from a season ending knee surgery. See above - processed

Kirschman -- Had a back problem that he felt he could play through.  Come on Nick, you can't even come up with new injuries? - processed

McKeller -- Had a wrist injury that required numerous surgeries to correct.  Transferred to USA where he is a deep snapper.  See!  He's playing the most important position for another team!  Obviously processed.

Pharr -- Suffered multiple concussions in a span of 2 months.  Stayed on as a student assistant. Legit

Talbert -- Reoccurring shoulder issue that was operated on and did not heal. Again with the shoulder injury?  Is this the baseball team or football?  Processed
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Six on August 23, 2013, 03:19:58 PM
Again with the shoulder injury?  Is this the baseball team or football?  Processed

These guys are taught to "fire" their shoulders into the chests, backs, arms, knees, legs, and heads of opponents. It's a wonder more of them don't go down like this.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 23, 2013, 03:25:17 PM
These guys are taught to "fire" their shoulders into the chests, backs, arms, knees, legs, and heads of opponents. It's a wonder more of them don't go down like this.
Not just opponents, they're taught to do that to their own players in practice...because Coach sabbin is so concerned about player safety and everything.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Saniflush on August 23, 2013, 03:30:00 PM
Not just opponents, they're taught to do that to their own players in practice...because Coach sabbin is so concerned about player safety and everything.

but, but, but, I thought it was the HUNH that was so dangerous to players?
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 23, 2013, 03:33:27 PM
but, but, but, I thought it was the HUNH that was so dangerous to players?

^^^ Yup.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Godfather on August 23, 2013, 03:43:20 PM
Shoulder dislocation?  In Lethal Weapon Mel Gibson dislocated his shoulder and ended apartheid 10 minutes later - processed

You newbies...take note.  This is 4 star rating hustle.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: The Prowler on August 23, 2013, 03:52:12 PM
but, but, but, I thought it was the HUNH that was so dangerous to players?
That's what I thought too, until Eddie Lacy spoke up about the uat practices.
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 23, 2013, 03:55:40 PM
You newbies...take note.  This is 4 star rating hustle.

I couldn't comment on it then because my keyboard was covered in diet pepsi
Title: Re: Saban Cheating Again...
Post by: jmar on August 23, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
That's what I thought too, until Eddie Lacy spoke up about the uat practices.
There is a discrepancy between what Lacy said and a recent interview Scott Verdall had with Clay Travis a few mornings ago concerning Nick's practices. Apparently anything but violent.