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Title: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 06, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
My Navy boys just launched a missile strike against the Assad regime in Syria in response to the chemical weapons attack against civilians yesterday.

I'm torn on this action. A large part of me says "this isn't a fight we need to be in" while another says that evil act cannot stand unpunished.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 06, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
60 Tomahawks just took out a military installation in Syria where the plane came from that launched the chemical weapons attack. The missiles were timed 1 minute apart to last for 1 hour. The warheads were 1000 lb war heads.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUJarhead on April 06, 2017, 09:35:19 PM
I agree with you PCT with regard to being torn. But the more I think about it, this is the right thing to do. To do nothing is criminal.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 06, 2017, 09:40:58 PM
This is a fight that has been coming since the last administration's ill advised Arab Spring policy. A stupid, stupid move by the Clinton state department and John McCain.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 06, 2017, 10:07:34 PM
I watched 3 different media outlets over the last hour to see what the coverage would be like.  Quite honestly, the overriding theme was this was a small scale, low risk action that simply sent a message and put few civilians and U.S. military personnel at risk. Even the MSNBC "expert" said as much, despite the guy with Rachel Maddow begging and pleading for a negative response.  Let me paraphrase one of his in-depth, non-biased questions that this asshole asked.

"So, we basically spend 30 million dollars to launch these missiles.  And every time one is launched, there is a collective sigh among everyone on board the ship because each and every missile launched puts our Navy personnel in danger....and a few craters on a meaningless airfield is all we get?" 

The "expert" again, said "No, this was a very strategic move simply carried out to send a message to Assad that we won't tolerate you launching gas attacks and killing your own people."

I even heard one of the analysts say that this also sends a message to numerous other countries, most notably, North Korea.       
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Token on April 06, 2017, 10:37:08 PM
I don't like being involved in world conflict.  At all.  But it pisses me off to no end to see men and women having to spray their crying 3 year old children down with water hoses trying to save their lives from nerve agents unleashed by their own damn government.  I don't want to be part of a country that has the power to stop that bullshit but sits on their hands to spare someone's feelings. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 06, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
I don't like being involved in world conflict.  At all.  But it pisses me off to no end to see men and women having to spray their crying 3 year old children down with water hoses trying to save their lives from nerve agents unleashed by their own damn government.  I don't want to be part of a country that has the power to stop that bullshit but sits on their hands to spare someone's feelings.

This is troof.  I've long since been a proponent of taking a huge step back from being the world's police force.  Syria is a messed up, jumbled place, with multiple nations involved.  The Prez, Dictator, Leader...whatever, went waayyyy across the line and gassed his own people.  We can't and shouldn't try to take the country over.  But we can definitely sit on the outskirts of town and fuck shit up to let him know this won't fly.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 06, 2017, 11:20:23 PM
About 4 years ago, something very similar happened in Syria. Syrian rebels were responsible for the gas attack 4 years ago and it's very likely they were responsible again. It was a "false flag" then and after more information is released, this time around, it's very likely going to be another false flag.

The US didn't bomb them in '13 and probably shouldn't have bombed them this time either.

Here's some tweets from Trump back in '13...

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
1:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!
2:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
4:28 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
"@mguarino64: @realDonaldTrump " How would you treat the Syria situation if president?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!
6:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 06, 2017, 11:22:44 PM
I don't like being involved in world conflict.  At all.  But it pisses me off to no end to see men and women having to spray their crying 3 year old children down with water hoses trying to save their lives from nerve agents unleashed by their own damn government.  I don't want to be part of a country that has the power to stop that bullshit but sits on their hands to spare someone's feelings.


Evil kills his own people like this. Evil cannot be allowed to flourish.


There is no way we can just sit and watch. Oppression and armed conflict is one thing, but to spray your own people? Pure evil!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 06, 2017, 11:28:54 PM
About 4 years ago, something very similar happened in Syria. Syrian rebels were responsible for the gas attack 4 years ago and it's very likely they were responsible again. It was a "false flag" then and after more information is released, this time around, it's very likely going to be another false flag.

The US didn't bomb them in '13 and probably shouldn't have bombed them this time either.

Here's some tweets from Trump back in '13...

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
1:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!
2:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
4:28 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
"@mguarino64: @realDonaldTrump " How would you treat the Syria situation if president?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!
6:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013

Fuck off.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Six on April 06, 2017, 11:32:56 PM
Get ready for gas to cost us $3 a gallon again but fuck the evil in that part of the world. Nuke the motherfucker from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 06, 2017, 11:37:26 PM
Seriously Prowler.  Come on, man.  Stop with the Anti-Trump and understand this was just a message that we, and hopefully the world, will not tolerate this shit.  This should not be viewed as a political stunt.  He gassed people.  Killed them in a slow, torturous death.  Children.  We simply sent a message to stop it.  But you have to take this as an opportunity to take the 1,467th shot at Trump?  Please!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 06, 2017, 11:40:10 PM

Evil kills his own people like this. Evil cannot be allowed to flourish.


There is no way we can just sit and watch. Oppression and armed conflict is one thing, but to spray your own people? Pure evil!
More Intel should've been gathered, especially since nearly the same thing happened less than 4 years ago (which turned out to be the Syrian rebels that did the gas bombing then...not Assad's regime).
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 06, 2017, 11:53:44 PM
Seriously Prowler.  Come on, man.  Stop with the Anti-Trump and understand this was just a message that we, and hopefully the world, will not tolerate this shit.  This should not be viewed as a political stunt.  He gassed people.  Killed them in a slow, torturous death.  Children.  We simply sent a message to stop it.  But you have to take this as an opportunity to take the 1,467th shot at Trump?  Please!
Posting the hypocrisy that is Trump. Especially when he blamed the Obama admin for this recent attack, for not being tough enough on Assad. Obama told Assad back in '13 to not use gas on his citizens or the US would come after him. Assad didn't after that and it's very likely that he was not part of the attack this time around either.

Trump goes in guns a blazin' not realizing that a retaliation is possible. We saw and continue to see what happens when we poke around and destabilize a Country. We're still in Iraq fighting (15 years later).
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 07, 2017, 12:00:19 AM
Posting the hypocrisy that is Trump. Especially when he blamed the Obama admin for this recent attack, for not being tough enough on Assad. Obama told Assad back in '13 to not use gas on his citizens or the US would come after him. Assad didn't after that and it's very likely that he was not part of the attack this time around either.

Trump goes in guns a blazin' not realizing that a retaliation is possible. We saw and continue to see what happens when we poke around and destabilize a Country. We're still in Iraq fighting (15 years later).

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Token on April 07, 2017, 12:07:40 AM
About 4 years ago, something very similar happened in Syria. Syrian rebels were responsible for the gas attack 4 years ago and it's very likely they were responsible again. It was a "false flag" then and after more information is released, this time around, it's very likely going to be another false flag.

The US didn't bomb them in '13 and probably shouldn't have bombed them this time either.

Here's some tweets from Trump back in '13...

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
1:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!
2:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
4:28 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
"@mguarino64: @realDonaldTrump " How would you treat the Syria situation if president?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!
6:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013

1. This is why the left will get 8 years of Trump.  Y'all still don't get it and likely never will.
2. People change their opinions all the time.  If you want to bitch about something, it's smart not to point to something you are guilty of yourself. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 07, 2017, 12:08:40 AM
:facepalm:
Also, Trump didn't receive Congressional approval before launching the attack...and he's back at his golf resort  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 07, 2017, 12:37:44 AM
Also, Trump didn't receive Congressional approval before launching the attack...and he's back at his golf resort  :facepalm: :facepalm:
He doesn't need it. Take another civics class!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 07, 2017, 07:20:43 AM
More Intel should've been gathered, especially since nearly the same thing happened less than 4 years ago (which turned out to be the Syrian rebels that did the gas bombing then...not Assad's regime).
They knew the exact base that the plane that executed the attacks took off from, which happens to be a Syrian government base.  Also, the rebels do not possess fixed wing aircraft.  How much more intel do you want?  4 years ago the White House didn't even believe that the rebels launched those nerve gas attacks.  They don't have the missiles with warheads to launch them, they don't have the launching system to launch them, they don't have the experts to correctly mix the chemicals, etc etc.  Here's a quote from Jay Carney in a press briefing about that attack almost 4 years ago:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/27/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-8272013

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Let me also say, and I think that both Secretary Kerry and I attempted to make clear yesterday that there is no doubt here that chemical weapons were used on a massive scale on August 21st outside of Damascus.  There is also very little doubt, and should be no doubt for anyone who approaches this logically, that the Syrian regime is responsible for the use of chemical weapons on August 21st outside of Damascus.

We have established with a high degree of confidence that the Syria regime has used chemical weapons already in this conflict.  We have made clear that it is our firm assessment that the Syrian regime has maintained control of the stockpile of chemical weapons in Syria throughout this conflict.  It is also the case that the Syrian regime has the rocket capacity to deliver the chemical weapons as they were delivered with repugnant results on August 21st outside of Damascus.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 07, 2017, 07:38:40 AM
Posting the hypocrisy that is Trump. Especially when he blamed the Obama admin for this recent attack, for not being tough enough on Assad. Obama told Assad back in '13 to not use gas on his citizens or the US would come after him. Assad didn't after that and it's very likely that he was not part of the attack this time around either.

Trump goes in guns a blazin' not realizing that a retaliation is possible. We saw and continue to see what happens when we poke around and destabilize a Country. We're still in Iraq fighting (15 years later).
Obama established his "red-line" less than a year BEFORE the chemical attack in August 2013.  You can say it was the rebels all you want, but as my previous post states, the White House at the time didn't even believe that it was the rebels because they didn't possess the means to launch an attack in that manner and the intel they had pointed to Assad. 

Last night as I was watching coverage on this, I was in the same camp as others here; I wasn't all that thrilled about us sticking our nose in something that wasn't really our problem.  But then when you see the video of them hosing off nearly lifeless kids that are around the same age as mine.  Fuck that.  Nobody deserves something like that.  It's obvious that Assad will continue to do this shit unless someone checks him on it.  I'm glad that someone finally had the balls to say that we are no longer going to tolerate that. 

Is retaliation by Syria possible?  Sure, I guess.  But they're not going to tug on Superman's cape.  Plus, they don't possess the military needed to project power that would affect us.  You think they're going to fuck with Israel?  They will get wiped off of the face of the planet quicker than we would do it.  Syria isn't going to do shit, and I'm sure that was taken into account when the strike was planned.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 07, 2017, 08:11:26 AM
More Intel should've been gathered, especially since nearly the same thing happened less than 4 years ago (which turned out to be the Syrian rebels that did the gas bombing then...not Assad's regime).

Fuck. Off
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 07, 2017, 08:11:57 AM
Posting the hypocrisy that is Trump. Especially when he blamed the Obama admin for this recent attack, for not being tough enough on Assad. Obama told Assad back in '13 to not use gas on his citizens or the US would come after him. Assad didn't after that and it's very likely that he was not part of the attack this time around either.

Trump goes in guns a blazin' not realizing that a retaliation is possible. We saw and continue to see what happens when we poke around and destabilize a Country. We're still in Iraq fighting (15 years later).

Off. You fuck.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 07, 2017, 08:26:35 AM
Even Hillary agrees that this was the right move, Prowler.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-hillary-clinton-idUSKBN179058 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-hillary-clinton-idUSKBN179058)
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 07, 2017, 08:31:19 AM
1. Prowler is an idiot.
2. This isn't going to result in anything. This was a small scale attack sent as a warning to stop using chemical weapons against children.
3. This doesn't mean we are going in to long term war. Assad isn't going to do shit to the US.
4. There we no civilians in the area and none were hurt that I have seen.
5. Since Russia used this airfield and has condemned the attacks, where are the prowler's of the world screaming that Trump is a Russian operative.
6. This is also a message to the world that there is a new sheriff in town.
7. Prowler is an idiot.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 07, 2017, 08:50:20 AM
1. Prowler is an idiot.
2. This isn't going to result in anything. This was a small scale attack sent as a warning to stop using chemical weapons against children.
3. This doesn't mean we are going in to long term war. Assad isn't going to do shit to the US.
4. There we no civilians in the area and none were hurt that I have seen.
5. Since Russia used this airfield and has condemned the attacks, where are the prowler's of the world screaming that Trump is a Russian operative.
6. This is also a message to the world that there is a new sheriff in town.
7. Prowler is an idiot.

Even the analyst on MSNBC said there would be few, if any civilian casualties.  But he was sure some would be "manufactured" by morning.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 07, 2017, 09:15:42 AM
Also, Trump didn't receive Congressional approval before launching the attack...and he's back at his golf resort  :facepalm: :facepalm:

The bombing, and whether it's wrong or right aside.....

He's at mar largo hosting the Chinese president - last night and today. It's a summit. It's business. And very important business as the majority of their meeting will center around the North Korea situation.

Quit misleading his presence at mar largo.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 07, 2017, 09:44:17 AM
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Title: Re: Missiles away
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In that...

Trump looks HUGELY hypocritical. People can "grow" and "evolve" or whatever, sure. These situations are pretty much mirror images and Trump was EXTREMELY critical of Obama. Egg on his face now to say the least. And it's not just Trump.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/375071259643879425
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@seanhannity
Glad our arrogant Pres. is enjoying his taxpayer funded golf outing after announcing the US should take military action against Syria

That could have been written yesterday by Michael Moore.

Trump campaigned as the staunch non-interventionist contra Hillary's hawkish warmongering. Were y'all on board with that until the minute he flip-flopped?

What happened to this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X41LqKjGMH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBa6c6ttrbI

He claimed to be against Iraq from the beginning. Recall that Saddam Hussein was gassing his own people as well, and history has not been kind to that intervention.

Also, does it not give you pause that Hillary Clinton was saying we should do this mere hours before we did it?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/07/hours-before-airstrikes-hillary-clinton-called-for-bombing-syrian-airfields.html

And as far as collecting more intel, Prowler's not wrong about that either. I'm not saying it definitely wasn't Assad or that he's incapable of such atrocities, but like Prowler said, we do know it wasn't him the last time. What's wrong with getting our shit together before potentially sparking World War III?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 07, 2017, 10:02:50 AM
In that...

Trump looks HUGELY hypocritical. People can "grow" and "evolve" or whatever, sure. These situations are pretty much mirror images and Trump was EXTREMELY critical of Obama. Egg on his face now to say the least. And it's not just Trump.
I don't necessarily disagree with you here, but I think this is a typical case where it was easy for Trump to say those things then, but feels far different when he is actually put in that same situation.  For that matter, just as recently as last week his administration made it clear when asked that regime change in Syria was not on their radar.  Now, we have seen a complete reversal just in a week.  Shit changes when you gas a bunch of innocent people.  Last week they were staying out of it, which I agree with.  We have no business in the middle of that civil war.  The dynamic changed.

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And as far as collecting more intel, Prowler's not wrong about that either. I'm not saying it definitely wasn't Assad or that he's incapable of such atrocities, but like Prowler said, we do know it wasn't him the last time. What's wrong with getting our shit together before potentially sparking World War III?
No, we don't know it wasn't him last time.  In fact, the White House said it WAS Assad last time.  I posted the quote from the press briefing in a post above.  This time, they were able to tell what specific Syrian airbase the particular plane that carried out the attack took off from.  How much more do you want?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 07, 2017, 10:05:49 AM
In that...

Trump looks HUGELY hypocritical. People can "grow" and "evolve" or whatever, sure. These situations are pretty much mirror images and Trump was EXTREMELY critical of Obama. Egg on his face now to say the least. And it's not just Trump.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/375071259643879425
That could have been written yesterday by Michael Moore.

Trump campaigned as the staunch non-interventionist contra Hillary's hawkish warmongering. Were y'all on board with that until the minute he flip-flopped?

What happened to this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X41LqKjGMH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBa6c6ttrbI

He claimed to be against Iraq from the beginning. Recall that Saddam Hussein was gassing his own people as well, and history has not been kind to that intervention.

Also, does it not give you pause that Hillary Clinton was saying we should do this mere hours before we did it?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/07/hours-before-airstrikes-hillary-clinton-called-for-bombing-syrian-airfields.html

And as far as collecting more intel, Prowler's not wrong about that either. I'm not saying it definitely wasn't Assad or that he's incapable of such atrocities, but like Prowler said, we do know it wasn't him the last time. What's wrong with getting our shit together before potentially sparking World War III?

Honestly chad? I think he saw the after pics. They are horrific. I could see where it could elicit a response and change of opinion. I don't know this for fact but he's hinted around at it.

As far as intelligence, I don't disagree. But I'm also not sure we didn't have it. It just may not be public. They know it was sarin now. And they think it was distributed via planes. Two things that would indicate it's not rebels.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 07, 2017, 10:18:15 AM
I don't necessarily disagree with you here, but I think this is a typical case where it was easy for Trump to say those things then, but feels far different when he is actually put in that same situation.  For that matter, just as recently as last week his administration made it clear when asked that regime change in Syria was not on their radar.  Now, we have seen a complete reversal just in a week.  Shit changes when you gas a bunch of innocent people.  Last week they were staying out of it, which I agree with.  We have no business in the middle of that civil war.  The dynamic changed.
Doesn't that say something about being as scathingly critical of Obama as Trump, and Hannity, and half this board have been? Huge 180 shift on literally exactly the same policy and the only difference is the guy on your team did it this time.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 07, 2017, 10:29:01 AM
Honestly chad? I think he saw the after pics. They are horrific. I could see where it could elicit a response and change of opinion. I don't know this for fact but he's hinted around at it.

As far as intelligence, I don't disagree. But I'm also not sure we didn't have it. It just may not be public. They know it was sarin now. And they think it was distributed via planes. Two things that would indicate it's not rebels.
Saddam gassed Kurdish kids as well. We still look back at that as a bad idea. It's terrible, but we can't make globally impactful decisions on emotional whims.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 07, 2017, 10:36:35 AM
Doesn't that say something about being as scathingly critical of Obama as Trump, and Hannity, and half this board have been? Huge 180 shift on literally exactly the same policy and the only difference is the guy on your team did it this time.
Actually, I was on board with Obama taking action.  After he had previously set the "red line" about chemical weapons, and then it happened, I assumed that he was going to take action and I supported that.  At the time I didn't agree with Trump's stance that we should do nothing.  I wasn't happy when nothing happened. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 07, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
In that...

Trump looks HUGELY hypocritical. People can "grow" and "evolve" or whatever, sure. These situations are pretty much mirror images and Trump was EXTREMELY critical of Obama. Egg on his face now to say the least. And it's not just Trump.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/375071259643879425
That could have been written yesterday by Michael Moore.

Trump campaigned as the staunch non-interventionist contra Hillary's hawkish warmongering. Were y'all on board with that until the minute he flip-flopped?

What happened to this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X41LqKjGMH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBa6c6ttrbI

He claimed to be against Iraq from the beginning. Recall that Saddam Hussein was gassing his own people as well, and history has not been kind to that intervention.

Also, does it not give you pause that Hillary Clinton was saying we should do this mere hours before we did it?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/07/hours-before-airstrikes-hillary-clinton-called-for-bombing-syrian-airfields.html

And as far as collecting more intel, Prowler's not wrong about that either. I'm not saying it definitely wasn't Assad or that he's incapable of such atrocities, but like Prowler said, we do know it wasn't him the last time. What's wrong with getting our shit together before potentially sparking World War III?

Wrong.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 07, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Saddam gassed Kurdish kids as well. We still look back at that as a bad idea. It's terrible, but we can't make globally impactful decisions on emotional whims.

I don't disagree. But I'm also not sure how much those behind the scenes know versus the general public. I'm generally not for over-intervention. Not to the degree of the Pauls but moreso than we have done the last 16 years in the area. We could argue that intervening in the first place with Bush and then secondly Obama (2 moves that have caused Isis and instability in Syria for 6 years) caused ALL of this. This being the mess with Syria and Isis.

Also curious if it's a play by trump to show the world he isn't putins puppet like many claim.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Saniflush on April 07, 2017, 01:12:47 PM
Where is the big Russian connection now? Has there been an update on this narrative?  Seems counterproductive to bomb the shit out of a government who is being supported by your good buddy Putin.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 07, 2017, 01:21:57 PM
Where is the big Russian connection now? Has there been an update on this narrative?  Seems counterproductive to bomb the shit out of a government who is being supported by your good buddy Putin.

It's a diversion!!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 07, 2017, 01:30:59 PM
Saddam gassed Kurdish kids as well. We still look back at that as a bad idea. It's terrible, but we can't make globally impactful decisions on emotional whims.
https://www.facebook.com/jaber.nyrabeah/posts/1435162976547163

That shit needed a response.  Chemical weapons have no place on this planet. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 07, 2017, 01:46:32 PM
https://www.facebook.com/jaber.nyrabeah/posts/1435162976547163

That shit needed a response.  Chemical weapons have no place on this planet.

Neither should that fart I used to Dutch Oven Snagette last night.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 07, 2017, 03:02:05 PM
At the risk of upsetting the neat little boxes into which Chizzy places us, here's my opinion.

I wish he'd left it alone. 

Syrians killing Syrians isn't our problem.  I don't care about Syria. 

We're outraged that 72 Syrians were killed.  Oh NO!! I hate it but human cruelty is part of the equation and always will be. 

Try this on for size.  As of today, in Chicago alone, 156 people have been murdered.  Where's the outrage there?  How would you feel if Canadian bombers strafed gang territory in the Windy City in response to the wave of violence? 

We had our own Civil War.  The atrocities committed by both sides during the conflict would make you blanch.  The Chinese didn't send warships to bomb Washington and Richmond to stop us from killing each other. 

There are conflicts in countries all over the world.  People are dying everywhere.  Unless it directly impacts us?  I'm of a stay out of it mindset. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 07, 2017, 03:03:57 PM
Neither should that fart I used to Dutch Oven Snagette last night.


But did you take pics of her face melting off?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 07, 2017, 04:22:34 PM
Doesn't seem to have worked. $94 million well spent.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/850425431899680768
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JUST IN: Syrian warplanes take off from air base hit by U.S., carry out strikes in Homs countryside - Syrian observatory for human rights
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 07, 2017, 04:53:19 PM
Doesn't seem to have worked. $94 million well spent.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/850425431899680768
Did they drop chemicals?  No?  Seems to have worked to me.  The point of the strike wasn't to get involved in their civil war.  It was to send a message that if you use chemicals, there are consequences.  If they wanted to make sure no planes launched from there at all they would have put a few missles on the runways.  If they wanted to wipe that place off of the face of the planet, they could have.  Again, that wasn't the point.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 07, 2017, 05:01:05 PM
I don't like being involved in world conflict.  At all.  But it pisses me off to no end to see men and women having to spray their crying 3 year old children down with water hoses trying to save their lives from nerve agents unleashed by their own damn government.  I don't want to be part of a country that has the power to stop that bullshit but sits on their hands to spare someone's feelings.
So, you'd welcome Syrian refugees?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 07, 2017, 05:19:28 PM
Doesn't seem to have worked. $94 million well spent.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/850425431899680768

You're about half a post from getting either a "Fuck off" or a meme storm
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 07, 2017, 05:28:12 PM
Wrong.

At the risk of upsetting the neat little boxes into which Chizzy places us, here's my opinion.

I wish he'd left it alone. 

Syrians killing Syrians isn't our problem.  I don't care about Syria. 

We're outraged that 72 Syrians were killed.  Oh NO!! I hate it but human cruelty is part of the equation and always will be. 

Try this on for size.  As of today, in Chicago alone, 156 people have been murdered.  Where's the outrage there?  How would you feel if Canadian bombers strafed gang territory in the Windy City in response to the wave of violence? 

We had our own Civil War.  The atrocities committed by both sides during the conflict would make you blanch.  The Chinese didn't send warships to bomb Washington and Richmond to stop us from killing each other. 

There are conflicts in countries all over the world.  People are dying everywhere.  Unless it directly impacts us?  I'm of a stay out of it mindset.

You're about half a post from getting either a "Fuck off" or a meme storm

You flip-flop more than Trump. I don't see where you disagree with me or Prowler for that matter, until you see our triggering avatars.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 07, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
You flip-flop more than Trump. I don't see where you disagree with me or Prowler for that matter, until you see our triggering avatars.
Yup. Kaos is stupid as dog shit...atleast that's what dog shit said when it called.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 07, 2017, 07:33:49 PM
Even Hillary agrees that this was the right move, Prowler.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-hillary-clinton-idUSKBN179058 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-hillary-clinton-idUSKBN179058)
And she's wrong.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 07, 2017, 07:34:33 PM
You're about half a post from getting either a "Fuck off" or a meme storm
Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 07, 2017, 11:00:21 PM
Go fuck yourself.

Prowler and Chizad barking at the moon. 
Both of them are fucking loons.
First they slur and then attack
Hoping wes will have their back. 

There are bite sized pieces of prowler scattered all over this forum.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 08, 2017, 01:20:25 AM
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Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 08, 2017, 01:39:03 AM
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Fucketh offeth.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 08, 2017, 07:17:45 AM
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If you can watch the video I posted in a previous post and think we didn't need to act, then I can't help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc)
If you can watch that video and think that what we did was wrong, then I can't help you.

If you're really that dense that you think this strike was for some reason other than sending a message to Syria, I can't help you.  Until you can learn to think for yourself, nobody can help you. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Token on April 08, 2017, 01:01:10 PM
I bet CNN salty over that interview. Along with more than a few bleeding heart liberals. I don't know if he represents the majority but I think I would feel the same way. I wouldn't want to leave my home for fear of being murdered by my own government.  I would want help in taking back control of the government and making a better place to live and raise my family.

Furthermore, I feel the same way about Hispanic immigration. The cartel cuts people's heads off with chainsaws and knifes. I wouldn't want to live there either. I wouldn't want to raise my teenage son there knowing he could easily be lured into a cartel.  Again, I don't want to be involved with other world conflicts when we have our own serious problems here.  Sadly, I think it's easier to help fix other's problems than our own.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 08, 2017, 11:48:50 PM
If you can watch the video I posted in a previous post and think we didn't need to act, then I can't help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc)
If you can watch that video and think that what we did was wrong, then I can't help you.

If you're really that dense that you think this strike was for some reason other than sending a message to Syria, I can't help you.  Until you can learn to think for yourself, nobody can help you.
They got the message, Trump is weak minded and easily provoked, the rest of the World knows this now.  Syria is still flying out of that same base.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 08, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
They got the message, Trump is weak minded and easily provoked, the rest of the World knows this now.  Syria is still flying out of that same base.


You should fly over and help them out.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 09, 2017, 01:01:42 AM
They got the message, Trump is weak minded and easily provoked, the rest of the World knows this now.  Syria is still flying out of that same base.

Fah-fah-fah-faaaahhhhhkkkkk off.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 09, 2017, 01:52:38 AM
Fah-fah-fah-faaaahhhhhkkkkk off.
Fuck You BITCH. Scroll on by if you don't like the truth that Trump is a ignorant, arrogant, silver spoon pansy. Sorry, not sorry.

Btw, if you are going to take out an airbase, and show how big and bad you are, you're suppose to take out the airstrip first. Disregard the Russians being at the same airbase...
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 09, 2017, 02:06:54 AM
Fuck You BITCH. Scroll on by if you don't like the truth that Trump is a ignorant, arrogant, silver spoon pansy. Sorry, not sorry.

Btw, if you are going to take out an airbase, and show how big and bad you are, you're suppose to take out the airstrip first. Disregard the Russians being at the same airbase...


Fake news.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 09, 2017, 08:06:26 AM
They got the message, Trump is weak minded and easily provoked, the rest of the World knows this now.  Syria is still flying out of that same base.
Easily provoked?  Dude, they gassed a fucking town full of people.  That's not some minor thing.  For that matter, he had more extreme options that he declined.  If anything, he showed the world that now when the United States draws a line, it really means it.  It was a message Iran and North Korea as well just as much as it was a message to Syria. 

Could they have sent a couple of Tomahawks for the runways?  Sure.  It would have been a minor inconvenience to Syria and more than likely, there would have been planes flying out of there within 24 hours anyway.  It doesn't take that long to fill a hole and patch it.  If you want to do major damage to runways, you're going to have to send planes in to drop some beefier bombs on them.  Again, you don't get the whole point of the strike.  One of the options on the table was to take out all 5 air bases.  If the point were to keep planes from flying, they probably would have went with that option. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 09, 2017, 08:15:37 AM
Disregard the Russians being at the same airbase...
Keeping the Russians out of it was a smart move.  It would have started an absolute shit storm, and it would have skewed the direct line between chemical attacks and attacking the air base.  At the time, they had the intelligence to know without a doubt it was an attack by the Syrian government.  They knew the exact type of plane, knew which base it departed from and returned to, and knew the route it took.  Russia didn't have shit to do with it (at the time), so it was best to leave them out of it.  Now there is the possibility that Russians assisted Syria in preparing for the chemical attack.  That will have to get handled on the back end, and they are going to have to make sure they are right about that. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 09, 2017, 08:59:22 AM
Fuck You BITCH. Scroll on by if you don't like the truth that Trump is a ignorant, arrogant, silver spoon pansy. Sorry, not sorry.

Btw, if you are going to take out an airbase, and show how big and bad you are, you're suppose to take out the airstrip first. Disregard the Russians being at the same airbase...

Gimme an F!

FUUUUUUUUUCK OOOOOOFFFFF! 

Ok.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 11, 2017, 07:35:01 PM
https://youtu.be/CR_gXEo3FuQ

https://youtu.be/Tq1L9LNSnoc

https://youtu.be/9V4vWUUtOas


Kinda hard to dig yourself out of a hole when you continue to dig down...smh
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 11, 2017, 08:41:47 PM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/world/asia/china-xi-jinping-president-trump-xinhua.html?_r=1

(http://newcenturytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-11-at-10.08.36-AM.png)

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Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 11, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
Prowler getting ready to post:

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Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: chityeah on April 12, 2017, 01:03:41 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/world/asia/china-xi-jinping-president-trump-xinhua.html?_r=1

(http://newcenturytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-11-at-10.08.36-AM.png)

(http://newcenturytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-11-at-10.08.44-AM.png)

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-ships-head-home-after-china-orders-coal-returned-n745006

Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 12, 2017, 04:43:43 PM
Prowler getting ready to post:

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Shockingly Kaos has nothing to add to the conversation.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 12, 2017, 04:59:33 PM
Shockingly Kaos has nothing to add to the conversation.  :facepalm:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/34/d4/5d34d4ba9b922b567f93719e8a761462.jpg)

There.  I just added more substantive quality than you have in the last two years combined. 

You're welcome. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 12, 2017, 05:08:06 PM
You don't say. Well then, here's a bunny with a pancake on his head.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 12, 2017, 05:20:58 PM
I looked back through Prowler's last two years of posts and he's right. The bunny beats them all combined.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 12, 2017, 06:59:45 PM
Sit down Kaos, President Cheeto is talking...he remembers more about the fucking cake than which Country we bombed...smh. How's that for substance?

https://youtu.be/6ETjmylZaFs
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 12, 2017, 07:09:22 PM
Trump's decision to bomb Syria "was likely influenced by Ivanka." - Eric Trump

Are you fucking kidding me????
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Token on April 12, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Trump's decision to bomb Syria "was likely influenced by Ivanka." - Eric Trump

Are you fucking kidding me????

What else do you think they talk about after sex?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 12, 2017, 09:45:59 PM
Trump's decision to bomb Syria "was likely influenced by Ivanka." - Eric Trump

Are you fucking kidding me????

Better than being influenced by Hillary or Chelsea.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 12, 2017, 09:46:30 PM
Trump's decision to bomb Syria "was likely influenced by Ivanka." - Eric Trump

Are you fucking kidding me????

As much as you guys don't like Bannon, this is a sign of his waning influence and the rise of ivanka and kushners. I don't like it.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 12, 2017, 09:48:13 PM
Sit down Kaos, President Cheeto is talking...he remembers more about the fucking cake than which Country we bombed...smh. How's that for substance?

https://youtu.be/6ETjmylZaFs

And Obama said there were 57 states. 

So.  Fuh-fuh-fuh Fuck Off! 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 13, 2017, 07:56:29 AM
Trump's decision to bomb Syria "was likely influenced by Ivanka." - Eric Trump

Are you fucking kidding me????

So now he is Ivanka's puppet...not Putin's? Just want to make sure I understand your stance on Trump this week...
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 13, 2017, 08:30:10 AM
So now he is Ivanka's puppet...not Putin's? Just want to make sure I understand your stance on Trump this week...

Prob a lot more accurate than people realize.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 13, 2017, 08:36:34 AM
Prob a lot more accurate than people realize.

Puppet? Don't think so...
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 13, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
Puppet? Don't think so...

To be fair, you used the term puppet in this context.  As far as Ivanka and Kushner go.

Call it what you want but If you don't see how much ivanka (and by proxy Kushner) influences him you aren't watching close. This isn't a hair brain leftist theory. Most reputable political analysts see it.

The uber objective Chris Stirewalt did a write up on foxnews a day ago detailing out that influence and the downfall of Bannon and how they are intertwined with each other and the policy shifts we have seen the last two weeks.

Another similar write up here on politico. Drop the trumpism for just one sec and read it in its entirety with an open mind. I defend trump when I think it's needed. But I also like to call a spade a spade. This is a bad move for trump. Approval ratings are being favored over real change which is what he got elected on.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/when-jared-wins-215021

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Can someone reacquaint Donald Trump with Steve Bannon, his ideologist whom the president now professes barely to know?

Trump's jaw-dropping public distancing from Bannon in the New York Post the other day is the latest twist in a struggle that is astonishing even by the standards of a White House that deserves its own Chris Buckley novel.

For Bannon, the internal fight with the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner is going about as well as could be expected, which is to say it couldn't be going much worse.

No one can know for sure how this ends. Perhaps it's all papered over, or maybe Bannon keeps his head down to fight another day. But it's hard to see how Kushner doesn't prevail in one form or other, together with the faction including his wife, Ivanka Trump, the influential economic adviser and former Goldman Sachs president, Gary Cohn, and deputy national security adviser, Dina Powell.

Who says bipartisanship is dead? With the exception of Powell—a non-ideological Republican—this group is all Democrats, and not lunch-bucket Democrats, but ladies-who-lunch Democrats who have marinated for decades in the financial and social elite of Manhattan.

Their ascendancy would potentially represent Trumpism's Thermidor. If Jared and Ivanka end up running the joint, it'd be hard to overstate the turnabout from last year's campaign.

A candidacy whose supporters reviled so-called RINOs may produce a White House run by people who aren't even RINOs. A populist revolt that disdained people who allegedly spend too much time at Georgetown cocktail parties may result in a White House run by people who have spent too much time at New York cocktail parties (and Fashion Week events, art shows, Metropolitan Museum of Art galas and celebrity birthday parties). The biggest middle finger the mainstream media has ever received in American politics may empower people who care deeply about what's written about them in The New Yorker and Vogue.

As for Cohn, he would have been the totem of everything Trump was running against in 2016, when he made Goldman Sachs into a kind of swear word. To put it in Jacksonian terms, it would be like Andrew Jackson inveighing against the Second Bank of the United States and then handing his domestic policy portfolio over to its president, Nicholas Biddle.

How did we get to this point? Bannon is saddled with the failed launch of the first travel ban, a gruff personal style that doesn't necessarily wear well in the corridors of power, and (fairly or not) the rocky first several months that have seen Trump's numbers sink while the Republican Congress spins its wheels.

Bannon may talk to reporters—what White House official doesn't?—but he hasn't sought out self-glorifying media when presumably gobs of it were on offer. He has nonetheless been hurt by the narrative, driven by the press and used against him by internal enemies, that he is Trump's Svengali. It surely wasn't his idea for a big profile in Time magazine with the cover line "The Great Manipulator," or for "Saturday Night Live" to spoof him as the true power in the Oval Office.

None of this is endearing to Trump. He doesn't like attention-hounds besides himself, and wants victories and popularity. As for Jared and Ivanka, they must worry that the family patriarch is being ill-served in ways that may hobble his presidency and damage their brand. So a shake-up looms.

There is much in Bannon's politics that I don't like—the hostility to traditional conservatism, the protectionism, the reflex toward needless confrontation. But he has a considered wordview and helps anchor Trump somewhere in the populist-conservative policy continuum.

If he goes, it could be a sign that everything is up for grabs. A President Trump could begin to react to political pressures from the world of Jared and Ivanka that so far haven't affected him.

Trump's views on immigration, climate change, abortion and policing are socially embarrassing, sometimes even in Republican elite circles, let alone in liberal ones. All of them would potentially be subject to softening or reversal in a White House that cares too much about polite opinion. With illegal border crossings down, perhaps a grand bargain on immigration becomes alluring next year? Maybe pulling out of the Paris climate accords isn't worth the bad optics? Who wants to expend political capital defunding Planned Parenthood? And so on.

The weakness of Trumpism in Washington is that it doesn't have a congressional wing and it represents only a faction within the White House, and apparently not even the dominant one. Perhaps a shake-up will only mean a more "normal" White House that is better run, although Trump himself is responsible for much of the chaos. Perhaps Trump's genuine, if inchoate, populism and Vice President Mike Pence's conservatism would be enough for the administration's basic orientation to survive any constellation of White House aides.

Certainly, there are all sorts of way to try moderate Trump's image while still staying true to a tempered version of his populism. But a sensible recalibration would seem out of character, and it's not the next chapter Buckley would write.

Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 13, 2017, 09:07:05 AM
To be fair, you used the term puppet in this context.  As far as Ivanka and Kushner go.

Call it what you want but If you don't see how much ivanka (and by proxy Kushner) influences him you aren't watching close. This isn't a hair brain leftist theory. Most reputable political analysts see it.

The uber objective Chris Stirewalt did a write up on foxnews a day ago detailing out that influence and the downfall of Bannon and how they are intertwined with each other and the policy shifts we have seen the last two weeks.

Another similar write up here on politico. Drop the trumpism for just one sec and read it in its entirety with an open mind. I defend trump when I think it's needed. But I also like to call a spade a spade. This is a bad move for trump. Approval ratings are being favored over real change which is what he got elected on.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/when-jared-wins-215021
Honestly, I welcome the Kushners' influence on Trump. Especially in a binary choice between them and Bannon.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 13, 2017, 09:11:09 AM
Honestly, I welcome the Kushners' influence on Trump. Especially in a binary choice between them and Bannon.

It's not about ideology. It's about what "is" versus what was supposed to be. The Kushner influence has taken us to the brink of war with Russia. He keeps following Kushner down this path and he will be a one term president.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 13, 2017, 09:26:38 AM
Honestly, I welcome the Kushners' influence on Trump. Especially in a binary choice between them and Bannon.

Me too. Influence is different than being a puppet for someone.

Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 13, 2017, 09:31:13 AM
The Kushner influence has taken us to the brink of war with Russia.

How? By bombing Syria?

I agree that things are not good with Russia which was my original point about Trump being put in office by the Kremlin.

And you are starting to pull a Prowler by telling to push away my "Trumpism"...
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 13, 2017, 09:37:35 AM
Another similar write up here on politico. Drop the trumpism for just one sec and read it in its entirety with an open mind. I defend trump when I think it's needed. But I also like to call a spade a spade. This is a bad move for trump. Approval ratings are being favored over real change which is what he got elected on.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/when-jared-wins-215021

I see where you got the "Trumpism" term now. I pretty much read everything with an open mind, apparently contrary to your belief, but don't see this piece as an eye opening revelation that Trump's ideas are vastly changing and he is being drug around by his dick by the Kushners.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 13, 2017, 10:03:31 AM
I see where you got the "Trumpism" term now. I pretty much read everything with an open mind, apparently contrary to your belief, but don't see this piece as an eye opening revelation that Trump's ideas are vastly changing and he is being drug around by his dick by the Kushners.

I'm just saying a drastic change in policy stance has occurred and it's not a coincidence. Some things I agree with trump on. Some I don't.

Prowler isn't gonna like trump no matter what he does or says. That's the difference. My stance is I don't think it's a good idea to get away from what got him here. That's all.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 13, 2017, 10:29:32 AM
I'm just saying a drastic change in policy stance has occurred and it's not a coincidence. Some things I agree with trump on. Some I don't.

Prowler isn't gonna like trump no matter what he does or says. That's the difference. My stance is I don't think it's a good idea to get away from what got him here. That's all.

I assume that you are talking mostly about bombing Syria and before him saying we need to stay out of conflict? I tend to agree. But I also tend to agree that using chemical weapons is a conflict with the Geneva Protocol and shouldn't have gone unpunished in some way.

I don't think Trump wants to get into anything over there, but firing a few missiles over there gave a clear warning signal IMO. Plus, Trump is now holding other countries accountable in NATO which is what he ran on. He is also holding China accountable for N. Korea, which he said he would do. And he is still focused on jobs and securing the border which were the top two issues he won with. I guess I just don't see where this is some radical transformation of policy that others are trying to spin this as. Trumpism aside and all...
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 13, 2017, 12:41:00 PM
Just bombed Afghanistan with the "Mother of all Bombs".
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 13, 2017, 01:15:33 PM
Just bombed Afghanistan with the "Mother of all Bombs".

Well, he also ran that we would destroy ISIS...

But...I don't know...

It will be interesting how it all plays out. More fireworks scheduled in N. Korea this weekend...
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 13, 2017, 09:39:48 PM
Just bombed Afghanistan with the "Mother of all Bombs".
Funny thing...Trump didn't make the call to bomb them. You'd think that if you're going to use the biggest non-nuclear bomb in America you'd at least get the go ahead from the Commander Cheeto. I'm thinking that if it's a success he'll blab about how great of a job he did in making the call (years down the road), if it's a failure he'll blame someone else (Obama, Hillary, Spicer, his daughter that he doesn't fawn all over, some kitchen manager at his golf resort, etc.).
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: chinook on April 13, 2017, 09:41:56 PM
Funny thing...Trump didn't make the call to bomb them. You'd think that if you're going to use the biggest non-nuclear bomb in America you'd at least get the go ahead from the Commander Cheeto. I'm thinking that if it's a success he'll blab about how great of a job he did in making the call (years down the road), if it's a failure he'll blame someone else (Obama, Hillary, Spicer, his daughter that he doesn't fawn all over, some kitchen manager at his golf resort, etc.).


Why bring Jumbo in this conversation?

Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 13, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
Funny thing...Trump didn't make the call to bomb them. You'd think that if you're going to use the biggest non-nuclear bomb in America you'd at least get the go ahead from the Commander Cheeto. I'm thinking that if it's a success he'll blab about how great of a job he did in making the call (years down the road), if it's a failure he'll blame someone else (Obama, Hillary, Spicer, his daughter that he doesn't fawn all over, some kitchen manager at his golf resort, etc.).
God forbid a U.S. president do something radical like give the military commanders the authority to make the call.  :rolleyes:

Just when folks come to the conclusion that you can't say anything dumber than some all the shit you posted during the election, you make this idiotic statement and raise the bar of ignorance even higher.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 13, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
God forbid a U.S. president do something radical like give the military commanders the authority to make the call.  :rolleyes:

Just when folks come to the conclusion that you can't say anything dumber than some all the shit you posted during the election, you make this idiotic statement and raise the bar of ignorance even higher.

This is what I was thinking, PCT.  We're already involved in Asscrackastan and have been for years.  If the military leaders making the decisions decided to use drones or Marines or a MOAB or 59 Tomahawk missiles fired from Navy ships....why is this suddenly a Trump thing?  Maybe The Donald loosened the leash.  Maybe he said, "You're the experts, the professionals.  Go do that voodoo that you do so well."  I have no idea.  But right now, the story is we used a bad ass bomb to root out ISIS bitches that decided to tunnel up and go underground.  Why is this a point of contention?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 13, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
God forbid a U.S. president do something radical like give the military commanders the authority to make the call.  :rolleyes:

Just when folks come to the conclusion that you can't say anything dumber than some all the shit you posted during the election, you make this idiotic statement and raise the bar of ignorance even higher.

We're gonna need a bigger bomb.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Token on April 13, 2017, 10:42:59 PM
This is what I was thinking, PCT.  We're already involved in Asscrackastan and have been for years.  If the military leaders making the decisions decided to use drones or Marines or a MOAB or 59 Tomahawk missiles fired from Navy ships....why is this suddenly a Trump thing?  Maybe The Donald loosened the leash.  Maybe he said, "You're the experts, the professionals.  Go do that voodoo that you do so well."  I have no idea.  But right now, the story is we used a bad ass bomb to root out ISIS bitches that decided to tunnel up and go underground.  Why is this a point of contention?

Because Trump. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Saniflush on April 14, 2017, 06:26:32 AM
Just bombed Afghanistan with the "Mother of all Bombs".
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 14, 2017, 08:38:56 AM
I'm just saying a drastic change in policy stance has occurred and it's not a coincidence. Some things I agree with trump on. Some I don't.

Saw this article and thought of you. I think it's pretty fair of the learning curve Trump has had in has first three months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/us/politics/donald-trump-policy-reversals.html?_r=0 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/us/politics/donald-trump-policy-reversals.html?_r=0)

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WASHINGTON — For President Trump, the road to changing his mind on China included a discussion with corporate executives in the State Dining Room of the White House in February. When the conversation turned to China’s currency, the executives had a simple message for the president: You’re wrong.

Mr. Trump had long insisted that China was devaluing its currency and should be punished, but the executives pushed back and told him Beijing had actually stopped. And while Mr. Trump at first resisted — as late as this month calling the Chinese “world champions” of currency manipulation — after many talks like the one in February he reversed himself, declaring this week that “they’re not currency manipulators” after all.

For any new occupant of the White House, the early months are like a graduate seminar in policy crammed into every half-hour meeting. What made sense on the campaign trail may have little bearing on reality in the Oval Office, and the education of a president can be rocky even for former governors or senators. For Mr. Trump, the first president in American history never to have served in government or the military, the learning curve is especially steep.

The past week has made that abundantly clear. He discovered that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia may not be the “best friend” he imagined and that staying out of the civil war in Syria was harder than he assumed. He acknowledged that 10 minutes of listening to China’s president made him realize he did not fully understand the complexity of North Korea. He dropped his opposition to the Export-Import Bank after learning more about it. And he said he no longer thought NATO was “obsolete.”

Just weeks ago, in the midst of failed efforts to scrap President Barack Obama’s health care program, he acknowledged that the issue was more involved than the repeal-and-replace mantra of a campaign rally. “Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated,” he said with amazement. Nobody except anyone who had spent any time in Washington policy making. But for Mr. Trump, never much of a policy wonk, it was an eye opener.

“As he governs, he is realizing that the campaign talk doesn’t fit neatly into governing and he needs a different approach, one that gets results,” said Christopher Ruddy, the chief executive of Newsmax Media and a friend of the president’s. “So he will discard things and people that don’t work out, and those that do work, he will magnify. That’s how he became successful in business and entertainment.”

One person’s education, of course, may be another’s betrayal. To some of his supporters, the pivots suggest that Mr. Trump the outsider may have been captured by Wall Street veterans in his White House, while Stephen K. Bannon, his chief strategist, is sidelined.

It got to the point that Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist radio show host, focused his Thursday program on defending the president against his own base. “Is Trump selling us out?” Mr. Jones asked. “And the answer is no. In fact, Trump is attempting to co-opt the establishment.”
Trump’s Policy Reversals, in His Own Words

President Trump has reversed himself on several longstanding positions over the past week.

To be sure, Mr. Trump remains a historically unpredictable president, given to impulse, still tilting at the Washington establishment and supporting ideological measures popular with his conservative base, including legislation he signed on Thursday targeting Planned Parenthood. Even as establishment figures seek to influence him, he has not given up on his most polarizing priorities, and few can forecast where he will take his presidency. Mr. Trump is still Mr. Trump, and he believes he got to the White House by following instinct.

But he arrived at the White House surrounded by advisers who, like him, were neophytes to governing. His White House chief of staff, chief strategist, senior adviser, counselor and national economics adviser have no prior government experience of consequence. Nor do his secretaries of state, Treasury, commerce, housing or education.

At first, Mr. Trump dismissed the importance of receiving his intelligence briefing every day, arguing that he did not learn much. He figured it would be easy to ban visitors from several predominantly Muslim countries and build a border wall while forcing Mexico to pay for it. He had never heard of the congressional procedures that forced him to push for health care changes before overhauling the tax code.

But as seasoned hands got access to him, he retreated from some of his provocative promises. He delayed his vow to move the American Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem after King Abdullah II of Jordan rushed to Washington to warn him of a violent backlash among Arabs. He abandoned his intention to bring back torture in terrorism interrogations after Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told him it was ineffective.

He has not appointed a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton, ripped up or renegotiated the nuclear agreement with Iran, reversed Mr. Obama’s Cuba policy or terminated his predecessor’s program permitting younger unauthorized immigrants to stay.

So much of this is new to Mr. Trump that only after he publicly accused Mr. Obama of having wiretapped his telephones last year did he ask aides how the system of obtaining eavesdropping warrants from a special foreign intelligence court worked.

The Export-Import Bank, which helps finance purchases of American exports, is a telling example. During the campaign, Mr. Trump sided with conservatives who wanted to eliminate it because the government should not finance large corporations and effectively pick winners and losers in a free-market economy. But on Wednesday, Mr. Trump embraced the bank.

“I was very much opposed to Ex-Im Bank because I said what do we need that for IBM and General Electric,” he told The Wall Street Journal. “It turns out that, first of all, lots of small companies will really be helped, the vendor companies. But also maybe more importantly, other countries give” such aid, and so “we lose a tremendous amount of business.”

Fred P. Hochberg, who just stepped down as chairman of the bank, said he was heartened by Mr. Trump’s reversal, noting that Ronald Reagan and Mr. Obama had also opposed the bank only to rethink their positions.

“I’ve probably never met a chief executive who didn’t have a different perspective when they occupy that chair than when they’re on the outside, whether you’re a mayor or you’re running a company,” Mr. Hochberg said. “And we ought to applaud people when they learn and they change their minds.”

In the same Journal interview, Mr. Trump described his learning process on North Korea, which is developing nuclear-capable ballistic missiles. When he invited President Xi Jinping of China to his Mar-a-Lago estate, Mr. Trump said he believed Beijing could simply pressure North Korea to stop its activities. Then, he said, Mr. Xi reviewed the history of China and Korea for him.

“After listening for 10 minutes, I realized that it’s not so easy,” Mr. Trump said. “You know, I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power over” North Korea, he added. “But it’s not what you would think.”

Mr. Trump sometimes cloaks his evolving positions by declaring victory before retreating. For instance, he had criticized NATO for not fighting terrorism and leaving the financial burden to the United States. As he met with NATO’s secretary general on Wednesday, Mr. Trump asserted that the alliance had changed.

“You look at the president’s position, where he wanted to see NATO, in particular, evolve to, and it’s moving exactly in the direction that he said,” Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, said on Thursday.

But the alliance has hardly changed in three months. Just three more members out of 28 have committed to raise military spending to target levels by next year, and the only shift in NATO’s approach to terrorism was to create a new intelligence office before Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

Karen Hughes, who was White House counselor to President George W. Bush, said no president can be fully informed about all the issues that will confront him.

“Obviously, most presidents aren’t nuclear scientists,” she said. “What is important is that the White House provide a disciplined process for the experts to present their views, which are often differing. The president’s role as the chief executive and decision maker is to listen to, question and probe the expert recommendations, then apply informed judgment to the decision.”
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 14, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
Funny thing...Trump didn't make the call to bomb them. You'd think that if you're going to use the biggest non-nuclear bomb in America you'd at least get the go ahead from the Commander Cheeto. I'm thinking that if it's a success he'll blab about how great of a job he did in making the call (years down the road), if it's a failure he'll blame someone else (Obama, Hillary, Spicer, his daughter that he doesn't fawn all over, some kitchen manager at his golf resort, etc.).
:facepalm:

Prowler, I give you the benefit of the doubt more than anyone here. But WTF are you blabbing about here? So now you're saying it's a bad thing that Trump himself didn't press the button? That he went through proper channels and consulted with military intel whose expert opinion it was to make the call to drop the bomb? What exactly is the problem here? I'm 100% positive that if it was being reported that this was 100% his idea and he did this in spite of what military intelligence and the Secretary of Defense was telling him, you'd be bitching JUST as loudly if not even more so (and would be justified in that case).

Maybe you just like to bitch just to bitch? You are the equal and opposite Kaos. Zero thought. Zero nuance. Whatever the "other side" does it's 100% wrong 100% of the time, no questions asked.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 14, 2017, 09:48:44 AM
:facepalm:

Prowler, I give you the benefit of the doubt more than anyone here. But WTF are you blabbing about here? So now you're saying it's a bad thing that Trump himself didn't press the button? That he went through proper channels and consulted with military intel whose expert opinion it was to make the call to drop the bomb? What exactly is the problem here? I'm 100% positive that if it was being reported that this was 100% his idea and he did this in spite of what military intelligence and the Secretary of Defense was telling him, you'd be bitching JUST as loudly if not even more so (and would be justified in that case).

Maybe you just like to bitch just to bitch? You are the equal and opposite Kaos. Zero thought. Zero nuance. Whatever the "other side" does it's 100% wrong 100% of the time, no questions asked.

You were okay until you got here. 

There's a "go fuck yourself" element to that bolded part.  It's not a matter of "no nuance or thought."  It's simply a matter of me knowing more and knowing better than you while you battle futilely against that raw fact.   
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 14, 2017, 10:32:31 AM
You were okay until you got here. 

There's a "go fuck yourself" element to that bolded part.  It's not a matter of "no nuance or thought."  It's simply a matter of me knowing more and knowing better than you while you battle futilely against that raw fact.
I had to double check the avatar to remember who I was responding to. The two of you are indistinguishable.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 14, 2017, 12:05:57 PM
I had to double check the avatar to remember who I was responding to. The two of you are indistinguishable.

Pffffffttt

You're the one playing scooby to the dumbass shaggys of the Prowler/Chopper ilk.  If scooby was a hysterical, screeching menutrating woman that is.


Wouldn't know nuance if it was embroidered on your nutbag. You just don't like my hammer of truth. It keeps leaving knots on your head.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 14, 2017, 12:22:27 PM
Funny thing...Trump didn't make the call to bomb them. You'd think that if you're going to use the biggest non-nuclear bomb in America you'd at least get the go ahead from the Commander Cheeto. I'm thinking that if it's a success he'll blab about how great of a job he did in making the call (years down the road), if it's a failure he'll blame someone else (Obama, Hillary, Spicer, his daughter that he doesn't fawn all over, some kitchen manager at his golf resort, etc.).


Maybe in a military way this will help you understand.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/17883823_777874845695980_9083130949597841464_n1_zpshxufp1th.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/miked0003/media/17883823_777874845695980_9083130949597841464_n1_zpshxufp1th.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 14, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
What should worry everyone, was Trump getting high fives and pats on the back from most of the media and Hillary Clinton, when he bombed Syria. Trump will see this as a very good thing. It would be like praising your dog and giving him treats after he shit all over the neighbor's walkway...eventhough most of the shit reportedly didn't land on the walkway. That's not a good thing to do to an ego the size of Trump's.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 14, 2017, 09:16:20 PM
I swear, I don't get the problem here.  Assad crossed an international line.  A written and unwritten rule that says you don't use nukes and you don't engage in chemical warfare.  And you especially don't unleash deadly chemicals on your own people.  He did!  So PCT's boys pulled up and parallel parked.  Threw a few dozen greeting cards his way that said, "Hi there.  Just wanted to let you know if you do it again, we'll shove a couple of MOABs up you sorry ass".  It's not a political stunt.  PEOPLE WERE GASSED TO FRICKING DEATH!

As far as Asscrackastan, we've been there for years.  How many strikes were carried out under Obama?  Hundreds?  Thousands?  Those weren't political stunts either.  I wish that under his administration, ISIS had been wiped off the face of the earth.  I would have applauded the man.  Thank you, President Obama.  But, they're still here.  Still carrying out terrorist acts.  Still vowing to rid the world of Christians and all infidels alike.  So the military leaders who have been in charge of carrying out said strikes, said "Let's kick it up a notch and drop some seriously heavy shit on these bastards".  They did.  Not Trump.  Political stunt?  No!  Stepping up the fight against ISIS. 

Why is this politicized or even a problem?  We should be cheering.   
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 14, 2017, 09:27:21 PM
Most people applauded the strikes. The only exceptions are the shit for brains morons who fell for Bernie's shell game, the Assad regime, the Russians, and Kim Jung Un. The Bernbots are among dubious company in this asinine argument.

These fuckwads are nothing more than racket making empty cans.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 14, 2017, 09:34:00 PM
Most people applauded the strikes. The only exceptions are the shit for brains morons who fell for Bernie's shell game, the Assad regime, the Russians, and Kim Jung Un. The Bernbots are among dubious company in this asinine argument.

These fuckwads are nothing more than racket making empty cans.


Just call him by name. Don't get him all excited about being in a special group!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 14, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
What should worry everyone, was Trump getting high fives and pats on the back from most of the media and Hillary Clinton, when he bombed Syria. Trump will see this as a very good thing.
It WAS a good thing.  Christ, you can't possibly be this dumb. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 16, 2017, 07:08:51 PM
It WAS a good thing.  Christ, you can't possibly be this dumb.
You can't possibly be this naive to believe Assad would gas his own people when he was in good standing with them and somewhat good standing with the US. Also, when you look back about 4 years earlier and find out that Assad didn't gas his own people then (it was a supposed US backed, anti-Assad force)...it's really not that hard to see what's going on.

Again, it was wrong for Trump to order the bombing now, just like it would've been had Obama done it 4 years earlier.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 16, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
https://youtu.be/SCh4OB9H_jk
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 16, 2017, 11:07:51 PM
https://youtu.be/SCh4OB9H_jk
best thing posted on here in years.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 17, 2017, 08:54:08 AM
You can't possibly be this naive to believe Assad would gas his own people when he was in good standing with them and somewhat good standing with the US. Also, when you look back about 4 years earlier and find out that Assad didn't gas his own people then (it was a supposed US backed, anti-Assad force)...it's really not that hard to see what's going on.

Again, it was wrong for Trump to order the bombing now, just like it would've been had Obama done it 4 years earlier.

It's all cocaine and underage hookers man!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUChizad on April 17, 2017, 09:34:04 AM
You can't possibly be this naive to believe Assad would gas his own people when he was in good standing with them and somewhat good standing with the US. Also, when you look back about 4 years earlier and find out that Assad didn't gas his own people then (it was a supposed US backed, anti-Assad force)...it's really not that hard to see what's going on.

Again, it was wrong for Trump to order the bombing now, just like it would've been had Obama done it 4 years earlier.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtokgzQv6ThHzj2/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 17, 2017, 09:36:29 AM
You can't make this stuff up, folks.


Wait, yes you can.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 17, 2017, 09:49:34 AM
You can't possibly be this naive to believe Assad would gas his own people when he was in good standing with them and somewhat good standing with the US. Also, when you look back about 4 years earlier and find out that Assad didn't gas his own people then (it was a supposed US backed, anti-Assad force)...it's really not that hard to see what's going on.

Again, it was wrong for Trump to order the bombing now, just like it would've been had Obama done it 4 years earlier.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/giveup.gif)
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 17, 2017, 09:55:09 AM
You can't possibly be this naive to believe Assad would gas his own people when he was in good standing with them and somewhat good standing with the US. Also, when you look back about 4 years earlier and find out that Assad didn't gas his own people then (it was a supposed US backed, anti-Assad force)...it's really not that hard to see what's going on.

Again, it was wrong for Trump to order the bombing now, just like it would've been had Obama done it 4 years earlier.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/024/786/cfc.gif)
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 17, 2017, 10:13:03 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9omeYYC7xTk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 17, 2017, 10:24:08 AM
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." - Ben Frankin
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 17, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
I swear, I don't get the problem here.  Assad crossed an international line.  A written and unwritten rule that says you don't use nukes and you don't engage in chemical warfare.  And you especially don't unleash deadly chemicals on your own people.  He did!  So PCT's boys pulled up and parallel parked.  Threw a few dozen greeting cards his way that said, "Hi there.  Just wanted to let you know if you do it again, we'll shove a couple of MOABs up you sorry ass".  It's not a political stunt.  PEOPLE WERE GASSED TO FRICKING DEATH!

As far as Asscrackastan, we've been there for years.  How many strikes were carried out under Obama?  Hundreds?  Thousands?  Those weren't political stunts either.  I wish that under his administration, ISIS had been wiped off the face of the earth.  I would have applauded the man.  Thank you, President Obama.  But, they're still here.  Still carrying out terrorist acts.  Still vowing to rid the world of Christians and all infidels alike.  So the military leaders who have been in charge of carrying out said strikes, said "Let's kick it up a notch and drop some seriously heavy shit on these bastards".  They did.  Not Trump.  Political stunt?  No!  Stepping up the fight against ISIS. 

Why is this politicized or even a problem?  We should be cheering.   

Just having strikes to send a message to say back off? Probably fine. But tillerson is speaking of regime change. That's not good. It sounds all fine and dandy. Like it did in Iraq. And Libya. But regime change in the Middle East is dangerous. Assad is a bad apple. Isis is even worse. At this point it's binary between the two - mainly because of Obama. Assad is a scumbag but he's not the direct threat to the west that Isis is.

At some point we have to learn our lesson in this region with our actions and know that each action has huge amounts of possible blowback. This is how it's always been going back to our involvement there with Israel in the 60s. Through the 70s and 80s and so on. These factions like Isis and the plo and Al queda and the rest have mostly happened because of prior intervention.

That said - the notion that Assad is on the up and up and a cool dude and the conspiracy non sense prowler spews is some of the most asinine shit I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 17, 2017, 12:03:46 PM
That said - the notion that Assad is on the up and up and a cool dude and the conspiracy non sense prowler spews is some of the most asinine shit I've ever seen.

But. But. Rachel Madcow connected the dots...
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 17, 2017, 08:40:51 PM
Some here are incredibly gullible...I guess it's easy to be when you're ignorant.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 17, 2017, 09:48:42 PM
Some here are incredibly gullible...I guess it's easy to be when you're ignorant.
https://youtu.be/ju_3b6QAZTQ
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 18, 2017, 07:15:23 AM
You can't possibly be this naive to believe Assad would gas his own people when he was in good standing with them and somewhat good standing with the US. Also, when you look back about 4 years earlier and find out that Assad didn't gas his own people then (it was a supposed US backed, anti-Assad force)...it's really not that hard to see what's going on.

Again, it was wrong for Trump to order the bombing now, just like it would've been had Obama done it 4 years earlier.
Assad is a fucking lunatic.  He's been on TV saying the latest gas attack didn't even happen, and that they were actors hired by the US; even the children were actors.  And he DID gas his own people 4 years ago.  I posted quotes from a White House press briefing about it back then where the Obama administration even said it WAS Assad's forces.  As usual, you totally buried your head in the sand and didn't even respond to my post.  But you keep yelling otherwise from the rooftop.  Your assertion that he was in "good standing" with his people is absolutely ridiculous.  "The people he is killing absolutely LOVE him!" 

Christ almighty.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 18, 2017, 08:01:39 AM
Some here are incredibly gullible...I guess it's easy to be when you're ignorant.

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Eddie-Murphy-A-Ok-Reaction.gif)
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 18, 2017, 08:29:50 AM
Assad is a fucking lunatic.  He's been on TV saying the latest gas attack didn't even happen, and that they were actors hired by the US; even the children were actors.  And he DID gas his own people 4 years ago.  I posted quotes from a White House press briefing about it back then where the Obama administration even said it WAS Assad's forces.  As usual, you totally buried your head in the sand and didn't even respond to my post.  But you keep yelling otherwise from the rooftop.  Your assertion that he was in "good standing" with his people is absolutely ridiculous.  "The people he is killing absolutely LOVE him!" 

Christ almighty.

He has a history of these things. In fact his entire family does. They've been in power forever there. Centuries of oppression. Maybe HE needs to do some research. Real things. Not alternative conspiracy tin foil bullshit sites. Maybe he should also go talk to some Syrians there. And those precious refugees he loves so much. Why are they refugees? Answer that.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 18, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
Assad is a fucking lunatic.  He's been on TV saying the latest gas attack didn't even happen, and that they were actors hired by the US; even the children were actors.  And he DID gas his own people 4 years ago.  I posted quotes from a White House press briefing about it back then where the Obama administration even said it WAS Assad's forces.  As usual, you totally buried your head in the sand and didn't even respond to my post.  But you keep yelling otherwise from the rooftop.  Your assertion that he was in "good standing" with his people is absolutely ridiculous.  "The people he is killing absolutely LOVE him!" 

Christ almighty.
Here you go, fucking moron. Try reading this from a weapons expert at MIT. Stop being so goddamn gullible, that goes for everyone else here, open your fucking eyes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.co.uk/mit-expert-claims-latest-chemical-weapons-attack-syria-was-staged-1617267
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 18, 2017, 03:05:42 PM
Here you go, fucking moron. Try reading this from a weapons expert at MIT. Stop being so goddamn gullible, that goes for everyone else here, open your fucking eyes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.co.uk/mit-expert-claims-latest-chemical-weapons-attack-syria-was-staged-1617267

Thank goodness I bought that Reynolds stock the way you load up on tinfoil.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 18, 2017, 08:09:21 PM
Thank goodness I bought that Reynolds stock the way you load up on tinfoil.

An "MIT weapons expert"  :rofl: :rofl:

The Syrians in the ground there have a different opinion. So do the refugees.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 18, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
An "MIT weapons expert"  :rofl: :rofl:
Seconded
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 18, 2017, 09:08:33 PM
An "MIT weapons expert"  :rofl: :rofl:

The Syrians in the ground there have a different opinion. So do the refugees.
You care about the Syrian refugees too? Huh, I would've thought you could give two shits about them.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 18, 2017, 10:30:16 PM
You care about the Syrian refugees too? Huh, I would've thought you could give two shits about them.

The refugees are fine. It's the sneaky shits that try to infiltrate and use their situation that are bad.

So are you saying the refugees are wrong? They are fleeing for no reason at all? These people hate Assad.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 18, 2017, 10:32:12 PM
The refugees are fine. It's the sneaky shits that try to infiltrate and use their situation that are bad.

So are you saying the refugees are wrong? They are fleeing for no reason at all? These people hate Assad.

Do more research, moron.  Those people aren't fleeing Assad.  Just taking a vacation.  It's like Spring Break in Syria. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 18, 2017, 10:33:13 PM
Do more research, moron.  Those people aren't fleeing Assad.  Just taking a vacation.  It's like Spring Break in Syria.

All a conspiracy bro. You just need to read more. Gutter trash hore.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 18, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
All a conspiracy bro. You just need to read more. Gutter trash hore.

Jesus was a gypsy, snake oil salesman. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUJarhead on April 19, 2017, 07:18:30 AM
Jesus was a gypsy, snake oil salesman.

He tried picking his dumbass friends up in a no loading zone.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 19, 2017, 09:00:37 AM
He tried picking his dumbass friends up in a no loading zone.

The Pharisees had tin foil too. But they copied Ramses. Not even original.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 19, 2017, 10:07:22 AM
The Pharisees had tin foil too. But they copied Ramses. Not even original.

Ramses, Jamsees, yellow hamsees, go to hell Prowler. 

Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 19, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
Here you go, fucking moron. Try reading this from a weapons expert at MIT. Stop being so goddamn gullible, that goes for everyone else here, open your fucking eyes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.co.uk/mit-expert-claims-latest-chemical-weapons-attack-syria-was-staged-1617267
Dude, I could not believe that you were actually, literally, this stupid until now.  We are beyond "My opinion is different than yours."  I guess you're also in the camp that 9/11 was staged by the government too? 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 19, 2017, 11:48:19 PM
Dude, I could not believe that you were actually, literally, this stupid until now.  We are beyond "My opinion is different than yours."  I guess you're also in the camp that 9/11 was staged by the government too?
I guess you're in the camp that thinks it's just a coincidence that the government was performing drills dealing with planes flying into buildings around Sept. 11th. Same coincidence that the government was performing school shooting drills in Sandy Hook, or terrorists bombing drills during the Boston marathon. Yeah, all coincidences...go sit down, because you apparently can't look at things with open eyes.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 20, 2017, 07:34:12 AM
I guess you're in the camp that thinks it's just a coincidence that the government was performing drills dealing with planes flying into buildings around Sept. 11th. Same coincidence that the government was performing school shooting drills in Sandy Hook, or terrorists bombing drills during the Boston marathon. Yeah, all coincidences...go sit down, because you apparently can't look at things with open eyes.
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 20, 2017, 08:07:20 AM
I guess you're in the camp that thinks it's just a coincidence that the government was performing drills dealing with planes flying into buildings around Sept. 11th. Same coincidence that the government was performing school shooting drills in Sandy Hook, or terrorists bombing drills during the Boston marathon. Yeah, all coincidences...go sit down, because you apparently can't look at things with open eyes.

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Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 20, 2017, 09:42:37 AM
I guess you're in the camp that thinks it's just a coincidence that the government was performing drills dealing with planes flying into buildings around Sept. 11th. Same coincidence that the government was performing school shooting drills in Sandy Hook, or terrorists bombing drills during the Boston marathon. Yeah, all coincidences...go sit down, because you apparently can't look at things with open eyes.
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Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 20, 2017, 11:03:18 AM
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Prowler's gone bye bye Egon.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 20, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
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If it happens more than twice, it's not a coincidence. You and everyone else here can say "what the fuck" all you want, doesn't change the fact.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 20, 2017, 09:22:49 PM
If it happens more than twice, it's not a coincidence. You and everyone else here can say "what the fuck" all you want, doesn't change the fact.


Good job. You convinced yourself!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 20, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
If it happens more than twice, it's not a coincidence. You and everyone else here can say "what the fuck" all you want, doesn't change the fact.

You've been a dumbass like eleventy seventreen times.  What about that?  You saying it's not a coincidence?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 20, 2017, 10:49:52 PM
You've been a dumbass like eleventy seventreen times.  What about that?  You saying it's not a coincidence?
Trump thinks Korea once belonged to China (it never did), couldn't remember Kim Jong-un's name, nor could he remember the Country that he bombed a few days earlier.

He definitely represents the uneducated...like yourself.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 20, 2017, 11:10:16 PM
Trump thinks Korea once belonged to China (it never did), couldn't remember Kim Jong-un's name, nor could he remember the Country that he bombed a few days earlier.

He definitely represents the uneducated...like yourself.

Dude, I got more education in my wiener drizzle than you do in your entire brain. 

Get your shit together.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 20, 2017, 11:10:21 PM
Trump thinks Korea once belonged to China (it never did), couldn't remember Kim Jong-un's name, nor could he remember the Country that he bombed a few days earlier.

He definitely represents the uneducated...like yourself.

So you saying K is uneducated? Because I'd like to place a wager on that bet. If you got the brass to back up your words
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Saniflush on April 21, 2017, 06:16:17 AM
So you saying K is uneducated? Because I'd like to place a wager on that bet. If you got the brass to back up your words

Why Ike, whatever do you mean?  Maybe pokers just not your game.

I know, let's have a spelling contest.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 21, 2017, 07:11:00 AM
He definitely represents the uneducated...like yourself.
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 21, 2017, 09:16:56 AM
He definitely represents the uneducated...like yourself.

Honest question:

Do you think you are smarter and more well informed than every body else on this board?
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 21, 2017, 09:49:14 AM
Honest question:

Do you think you are smarter and more well informed than every body else on this board?

He stepped in a pile here. Still waiting for answers.....

 :crickets: :crickets:
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 21, 2017, 11:02:38 AM
Why Ike, whatever do you mean?  Maybe pokers just not your game.

I know, let's have a spelling contest.
Take it easy boys.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: wesfau2 on April 21, 2017, 12:02:11 PM
Why Ike, whatever do you mean?  Maybe pokers just not your game.

I know, let's have a spelling contest.

It appears that Johnny Ringo is an educated man.  Now really hate him.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Token on April 21, 2017, 04:30:30 PM
Jesus Christ. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: RWS on April 23, 2017, 11:04:55 AM
He stepped in a pile here. Still waiting for answers.....

 :crickets: :crickets:
You'll probably be waiting for quite some time.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
You'll probably be waiting for quite some time.

I hope he's somewhere praying it out.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 23, 2017, 07:21:16 PM
Dude, I got more education in my wiener drizzle than you do in your entire brain. 

Get your shit together.
Wrong.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 23, 2017, 08:47:32 PM
Wrong.
You forgot to post in k's happy birthday thread.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 24, 2017, 08:13:41 AM
Wrong.

Rws - see prowlers enciteful answer above. Guy is brilliant.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 24, 2017, 07:51:07 PM
Rws - see prowlers enciteful answer above. Guy is brilliant.
*Insightful
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUTiger1 on April 25, 2017, 12:56:05 PM
*Insightful

Ohhh, spelling correction, you showed him and really proved your superior intellect with that post. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 25, 2017, 01:05:09 PM
Ohhh, spelling correction, you showed him and really proved your superior intellect with that post.

He caught an autocorrect error from my phone. He's the man now. Although I have no idea why the phone would think that's a word anyway. One time I typed "them" with one letter wrong and it corrected to "my sming pop wally".

Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Ogre on April 25, 2017, 02:21:45 PM
He caught an autocorrect error from my phone. He's the man now. Although I have no idea why the phone would think that's a word anyway. One time I typed "them" with one letter wrong and it corrected to "my sming pop wally".

My sming pop wally's fightin words.  Prowler, you going to let my sming pop wally talk to you like this?  Stand up for yourself!  I hate to see my sming pop wally treat you like this.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 25, 2017, 03:14:56 PM
My sming pop wally's fightin words.  Prowler, you going to let my sming pop wally talk to you like this?  Stand up for yourself!  I hate to see my sming pop wally treat you like this.
Enzyteful stuff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ghrWz7cVXv8
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 26, 2017, 07:34:39 PM
He caught an autocorrect error from my phone. He's the man now. Although I have no idea why the phone would think that's a word anyway. One time I typed "them" with one letter wrong and it corrected to "my sming pop wally".
Your phone represents you well...it's a dumbass phone. My phone, on the other hand, is a smart phone.

For future references, if you're going to try and make fun of someone else's intelligence, it's always best to double check your spelling. Stop placing the blame elsewhere for your own mistakes. Your phone didn't hit "Post" for you.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: AUTiger1 on April 27, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
Your phone represents you well...it's a dumbass phone. My phone, on the other hand, is a smart phone.

For future references, if you're going to try and make fun of someone else's intelligence, it's always best to double check your spelling. Stop placing the blame elsewhere for your own mistakes. Your phone didn't hit "Post" for you.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 27, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
Your phone represents you well...it's a dumbass phone. My phone, on the other hand, is a smart phone.

For future references, if you're going to try and make fun of someone else's intelligence, it's always best to double check your spelling. Stop placing the blame elsewhere for your own mistakes. Your phone didn't hit "Post" for you.

Yeah no one has ever ever sent something by mistake with autocorrect. Ever. There is an entire site dedicated to autocorrect failures regardless of the phone you own. With that said.....

You take this wayyyyyy too serious. But yes I will make fun of your iq. Not because it's Forrest Gump level low but because you think it's Einstein level high.

Not sure why you waste your time posting. No one here gives a flying fuck.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2017, 12:04:28 PM
It's ironic that the autocorrect topic has come up because I'm going today to get a new phone.  No matter what I type, my phone autocorrects to "I have an incredibly large penis that stays hard for hours."

It may be true but I can't be texting that to my dad.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 27, 2017, 12:15:07 PM
Yeah no one has ever ever sent something by mistake with autocorrect. Ever. There is an entire site dedicated to autocorrect failures regardless of the phone you own. With that said.....

You take this wayyyyyy too serious. But yes I will make fun of your iq. Not because it's Forrest Gump level low but because you think it's Einstein level high.

Not sure why you waste your time posting. No one here gives a flying fuck.

Like

It's ironic that the autocorrect topic has come up because I'm going today to get a new phone.  No matter what I type, my phone autocorrects to "I have an incredibly large penis that stays hard for hours."

It may be true but I can't be texting that to my dad.

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Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: CCTAU on April 27, 2017, 12:16:49 PM
Where is this WWIII that was supposed to take place?

Message sent...message received. Trump got this one right.

Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2017, 12:19:55 PM
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Don't make me unfriend you from InstaSnapFace.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2017, 01:56:08 PM
A piece from CNN.  Not definitive but it still continues to point the finger squarely at Assad.


(CNN) — France has said that it has proof that the Syrian government was behind a chemical weapons attack in Syria earlier this month that killed 89 people.

The French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said that samples taken from the attack on the rebel-held town of Khan Sheikhoun matched those from a previous incident.

"We have definite sources that the procedure used to make the Sarin sampled is typical of the methods developed in Syrian laboratories," he said. "This method bears the signature of the regime, and that is what has allowed us to establish its responsibility in this attack."

French laboratories had stored samples taken from other chemical attacks in Syria and so were able to compare them, he said.

A tweet posted by the French Foreign Ministry said: "There's no doubt that Sarin was used. There is also no doubt about the responsibility of the Syrian regime."

The attack has been widely blamed by Western powers on the Syrian government, which is supposed to have given up its chemical weapon stockpile in 2013 following an attack in the Ghouta area of Damascus that activists say killed 1,400 people.

International chemical weapons inspectors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said last week they had found "incontrovertible" evidence that Sarin, or a similar substance, was used in the April 4 attack on Khan Sheikhoun, but did not apportion responsibility.

UK scientists had already found that Sarin or a similar chemical had been used in the attack, having tested samples smuggled from the site.

However, Damascus denies it had anything to do with the Khan Sheikhoun attack, instead blaming "terrorist" groups. It also denies it has any chemical weapons.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, a key Syrian ally, has suggested meanwhile that the attack was carried out by "forces" trying to frame the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Moscow also questioned the impartiality of the OPCW.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Wednesday that Russia would not change its position regarding the Khan Sheikhoun attack in light of the French assessment.

"The Kremlin and President Putin still believe that conducting an impartial international investigation is the only way to find out the truth," state-run TASS quoted Peskov as saying.

What we know about Syria's chemical weapons
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 27, 2017, 02:05:09 PM
Where is this WWIII that was supposed to take place?

Message sent...message received. Trump got this one right.

But prowler didn't drop the mic and go boom on ya face bitches. So it didn't count.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 27, 2017, 02:21:29 PM
It's ironic that the autocorrect topic has come up because I'm going today to get a new phone.  No matter what I type, my phone autocorrects to "I have an incredibly large penis
Oh, you're getting a Samsung Galaxy 8 too? I got mine yesterday. It's niiiiiiiice!
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2017, 02:26:35 PM
Oh, you're getting a Samsung Galaxy 8 too? I got mine yesterday. It's niiiiiiiice!

I felt the 5 really didn't do me justice. 
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: GH2001 on April 27, 2017, 02:45:06 PM
I felt the 5 really didn't do me justice.

You're def not an 8. Aim for 5 first.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2017, 03:06:55 PM
You're def not an 8. Aim for 5 first.

You weren't supposed to tell.  Damn you.
Title: Re: Missiles away
Post by: The Prowler on April 27, 2017, 05:46:59 PM
Where is this WWIII that was supposed to take place?

Message sent...message received. Trump got this one right.
It isn't May 13th yet.