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Pat Dye Field => Signing Day => Topic started by: The Prowler on March 24, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
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Carl Lawson (http://rivals.yahoo.com/auburn/football/recruiting/player-Carl-Lawson-134584) DE 6'3" 250lbs. 420lb Bench & 315lb Power Clean Alpharetta, Ga. (6 Grillz)
BOOM!!!
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That's a huge kid.
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Nice early pick up
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Saw on Twitter that he won the overall MVP award at the Georgia VTO combine today.
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Has Lord Saybinz not paid this kid's fami....err, offerd this kid yet?
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Word on Rivals is that this kid has dominated the camps. He got bumped up to a 5* on Rivals.
For those that are keeping up, Auburn now has 2 5* DE's committed...
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Word on Rivals is that this kid has dominated the camps. He got bumped up to a 5* on Rivals.
For those that are keeping up, Auburn now has 2 5* DE's committed...
So basically you are telling me that he will now get flooded with offers, he will affirm his committment to us until the last week of January, then get quiet, disappear to location unknown and will sign with Bama on NSD....is that correct?
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So basically you are telling me that he will now get flooded with offers, he will affirm his committment to us until the last week of January, then get quiet, disappear to location unknown and will sign with Bama on NSD....is that correct?
I'm less worried about losing defensive guys now that the Stache is our defensive coordinator.
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I'm less worried about losing defensive guys now that the Stache is our defensive coordinator.
I feel the same way. Stache I'm sure can talk up the NFL just as well or better than anyone else.
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I feel the same way. Stache I'm sure can talk up the NFL just as well or better than anyone else.
You guys need a refresher on the pecking order we have in this universe:
GOD > Nick Saban > Jesus + Tim Tebow > everything else
Be warned.
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Rivals now ranks him as a â€5 Star†prospect....Dee Liner got bumped up too. When Auburn lands DT Montravius Adams & LB Reuben Foster to go along with what we already have committed...that's gonna the best Defensive 7 Class that Auburn has ever signed (on paper).
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Lawson dominated the Rivals Challenge apparently and some writers say he might take the #1 overall prospect spot from Nkelkboisednresrwhatever.
DE Carl Lawson -- Alpharetta, (Ga.) Milton: The 6-foot-2, 253-pound defensive end certainly proved he is a five-star prospect and was the consensus top performer on the day, regardless of position. Lawson lined up at defensive end for several 1-on-1s and the best offensive tackles on the field had trouble even getting a hand on him. The Auburn commit then moved inside and showed power against the guards and tackles. After he was done with the linemen 1-on-1s, he played linebacker and did a good job covering the tight ends.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/06/23/rivals.five.star.camp/index.html#ixzz1yiBQa2HB
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Lawson dominated the Rivals Challenge apparently and some writers say he might take the #1 overall prospect spot from Nkelkboisednresrwhatever.
DE Carl Lawson -- Alpharetta, (Ga.) Milton: The 6-foot-2, 253-pound defensive end certainly proved he is a five-star prospect and was the consensus top performer on the day, regardless of position. Lawson lined up at defensive end for several 1-on-1s and the best offensive tackles on the field had trouble even getting a hand on him. The Auburn commit then moved inside and showed power against the guards and tackles. After he was done with the linemen 1-on-1s, he played linebacker and did a good job covering the tight ends.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/06/23/rivals.five.star.camp/index.html#ixzz1yiBQa2HB
Fucking boner alert.
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:stache:
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Fucking boner alert.
^^^^THIS^^^^
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Lawson dominated the Rivals Challenge apparently and some writers say he might take the #1 overall prospect spot from Nkelkboisednresrwhatever.
DE Carl Lawson -- Alpharetta, (Ga.) Milton: The 6-foot-2, 253-pound defensive end certainly proved he is a five-star prospect and was the consensus top performer on the day, regardless of position. Lawson lined up at defensive end for several 1-on-1s and the best offensive tackles on the field had trouble even getting a hand on him. The Auburn commit then moved inside and showed power against the guards and tackles. After he was done with the linemen 1-on-1s, he played linebacker and did a good job covering the tight ends.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/06/23/rivals.five.star.camp/index.html#ixzz1yiBQa2HB
Thanks for the info.
And yea, it moved.
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Lawson dominated the Rivals Challenge apparently and some writers say he might take the #1 overall prospect spot from Nkelkboisednresrwhatever.
DE Carl Lawson -- Alpharetta, (Ga.) Milton: The 6-foot-2, 253-pound defensive end certainly proved he is a five-star prospect and was the consensus top performer on the day, regardless of position. Lawson lined up at defensive end for several 1-on-1s and the best offensive tackles on the field had trouble even getting a hand on him. The Auburn commit then moved inside and showed power against the guards and tackles. After he was done with the linemen 1-on-1s, he played linebacker and did a good job covering the tight ends.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/06/23/rivals.five.star.camp/index.html#ixzz1yiBQa2HB
Aundray Bruce v2.0
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Lawson dominated the Rivals Challenge apparently and some writers say he might take the #1 overall prospect spot from Nkelkboisednresrwhatever.
DE Carl Lawson -- Alpharetta, (Ga.) Milton: The 6-foot-2, 253-pound defensive end certainly proved he is a five-star prospect and was the consensus top performer on the day, regardless of position. Lawson lined up at defensive end for several 1-on-1s and the best offensive tackles on the field had trouble even getting a hand on him. The Auburn commit then moved inside and showed power against the guards and tackles. After he was done with the linemen 1-on-1s, he played linebacker and did a good job covering the tight ends.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/06/23/rivals.five.star.camp/index.html#ixzz1yiBQa2HB
Exciting though it is, doesn't all this mean he's a bammer lock?
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Lawson dominated the Rivals Challenge apparently and some writers say he might take the #1 overall prospect spot from Nkelkboisednresrwhatever.
DE Carl Lawson -- Alpharetta, (Ga.) Milton: The 6-foot-2, 253-pound defensive end certainly proved he is a five-star prospect and was the consensus top performer on the day, regardless of position. Lawson lined up at defensive end for several 1-on-1s and the best offensive tackles on the field had trouble even getting a hand on him. The Auburn commit then moved inside and showed power against the guards and tackles. After he was done with the linemen 1-on-1s, he played linebacker and did a good job covering the tight ends.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/06/23/rivals.five.star.camp/index.html#ixzz1yiBQa2HB
Yeah, Mr. Nkemdiche decided not to show up due to Dee Liner, Carl Lawson & Kenny Bigelow...even though he lived only 20 min. or so down the road from the 5 Star Rivals Challenge. Maybe he thought he didn't need to prove himself, but he did somewhat show that he's afraid of competition.
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You guys need a refresher on the pecking order we have in this universe:
GOD > Nick Saban
You sure about this part?
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You sure about this part?
Everybody gotta have a mentor.
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Exciting though it is, doesn't all this mean he's a bammer lock?
Silent commit.
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You sure about this part?
God wears Nick Saban pajamas.
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Watched this kid play against Etowah last night. He is a beast. Made the biggest lineman Etowah had look pretty plain. Milton won like 59-27. Lawson was in the backfield a lot.
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Watched this kid play against Etowah last night. He is a beast. Made the biggest lineman Etowah had look pretty plain. Milton won like 59-27. Lawson was in the backfield a lot.
I think it moved. At my age, I can't always tell.
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I think it moved. At my age, I can't always tell.
My moves-it just goes further south.
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Silent commit.
Rivals has him as a verbal back in March.
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Bumpity bump.
Listening to local sports talk this morning and the host talked about Garner meeting with Lawson's family this past weekend. First, Lawson was not there because he got sick at the All Star game and stayed over a couple of days to recover. Apparent riff between Garner and the Lawsons because he was responsible for recruiting Lawson while with Jawja and really never made contact with him until way late, while AU was on him hard from the start. Garner explained that Jawja runs a 3-4 and try to only go after much bigger DE's. Said they didn't think Lawson would fit in that system and since he'd never played LB, they weren't recruiting him hard. Don't know if Garner swayed them back to AU and it sounded like Lawson was still keeping his options open. Didn't get in early enough to hear where the host was reading from. Just relaying what he said.
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Just to qualify...the host is a raging, flaming Bammer....so there could have been just a touch of embellishment.
He was talking earlier about a Bama recruit who just flipped to FSU and all but said Pruitt (Former Bama DB coach and current FSU DC) played dirty pool to get him.
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Bumpity bump.
Listening to local sports talk this morning and the host talked about Garner meeting with Lawson's family this past weekend. First, Lawson was not there because he got sick at the All Star game and stayed over a couple of days to recover. Apparent riff between Garner and the Lawsons because he was responsible for recruiting Lawson while with Jawja and really never made contact with him until way late, while AU was on him hard from the start. Garner explained that Jawja runs a 3-4 and try to only go after much bigger DE's. Said they didn't think Lawson would fit in that system and since he'd never played LB, they weren't recruiting him hard. Don't know if Garner swayed them back to AU and it sounded like Lawson was still keeping his options open. Didn't get in early enough to hear where the host was reading from. Just relaying what he said.
This is pretty much what is being reported by several Auburn guys as well...
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Does not sound good.
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We can hope that Lawson chose AU for more than Trooper or whoever recruited him. To me, it sounds like he's still ours to lose. He's just going to give others a chance to change his mind.
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We're still shitty.
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Bumpity bump.
Listening to local sports talk this morning and the host talked about Garner meeting with Lawson's family this past weekend. First, Lawson was not there because he got sick at the All Star game and stayed over a couple of days to recover. Apparent riff between Garner and the Lawsons because he was responsible for recruiting Lawson while with Jawja and really never made contact with him until way late, while AU was on him hard from the start. Garner explained that Jawja runs a 3-4 and try to only go after much bigger DE's. Said they didn't think Lawson would fit in that system and since he'd never played LB, they weren't recruiting him hard. Don't know if Garner swayed them back to AU and it sounded like Lawson was still keeping his options open. Didn't get in early enough to hear where the host was reading from. Just relaying what he said.
He got that info from Hoke at Rivals. He had an article on it last week.
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He got that info from Hoke at Rivals. He had an article on it last week.
Assuming that's $$$ shit?
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Assuming that's $$$ shit?
Yeah I think it was.
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I think we got a good shot at keeping Carl but the Rivals writer has us losing out on our top 5, it seems. I've considered Liner gone for a long time anyway. He's just pulling a TJ.
According to Mike Ferrell:
DE Carl Lawson: Lawson remains committed to Auburn but many feel he will end up at either Clemson or Ole Miss. Tennessee is also in the mix. Ole Miss is the new hot thing for Lawson and playing opposite of Nkemdiche wouldn't be a bad thing. However, he has not de-committed from Auburn and Rodney Garner is working hard to keep it that way. Keep in mind Lawson has a teammate committed to Ole Miss and the Auburn relationship has been up and down since the clean sweep of the coaching staff.
LB Reuben Foster: Foster has many schools on his list and everything could change depending on where former Auburn assistant coach Trooper Taylor lands. But I think Georgia is probably the team to beat here. Auburn is trying to get him back in the fold and is pushing hard and LSU is also a threat. Even Foster doesn't know right now and seems to be adding more schools than subtracting, so things could change quickly.
DE Dee Liner: Liner remains committed to Auburn and will likely stay that way until Signing Day. However on Feb. 6, many, including me, expect him to flip to Alabama. I think this has been in the works for some time and essentially could be a done deal, but Auburn is pushing hard to keep him while others such as Miami are pushing to get him on campus.
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Question. Why is it that everyone has said, including all the recruiting gurus, that Liner has remained committed and has said absolutely nothing about his recruitment....but everyone has him flipping to Bama? Why?
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Question. Why is it that everyone has said, including all the recruiting gurus, that Liner has remained committed and has said absolutely nothing about his recruitment....but everyone has him flipping to Bama? Why?
I think it's a combo of lots of things. Rumors, pics in Bama gear, smirks in interviews, pressure from local Updykes. I, personally, don't have any reason to believe it other than gut feeling based on how this seems to look a lot like TJ.
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Question. Why is it that everyone has said, including all the recruiting gurus, that Liner has remained committed and has said absolutely nothing about his recruitment....but everyone has him flipping to Bama? Why?
What wiregrass said. Also there are stories of recruits saying that he has told them he is going to bama and has tried to get other guys to visit there. Also look at what we are doing. We just signed a DT from a JUCO and we are after his teammate who also happens to be a DT. The coaches may already know that the kid is gone and are taking steps to not get caught with their pants down like we did with Calloway and Yeldon.
On the thing from Mike Ferrell. That is almost like the Lee Corso kiss of death. He also said we weren't getting several over the past few years and has been wrong more than he has been right. Not saying we are keeping those guys but he is pretty bad at predicting recruits. Pretty sure he had Hosley, Young and Louis going elsewhere last year too.
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Stupid and obvious question, but I'll axe anyway...or maybe just say it. If you've switched and you're telling players you've swithced and you're trying to recruit others to Bama...then just say it and be done with it. I get that these are just 17 and 18 year old kids that are probably overwhelmed to an extent with the whole process. It's the pre-madonna, hat switch, press conference, mysterious twats on the tweeters that piss me off. Not saying Liner's a bad guy or actually doing any of that. I actually wish they'd change signing day to a signing deadline and allow colleges to go ahead and get ink on paper whenever they want up until the deadline. You want to play for us? Cool, grab your moms and your pops and you guys sign right here.
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Stupid and obvious question, but I'll axe anyway...or maybe just say it. If you've switched and you're telling players you've swithced and you're trying to recruit others to Bama...then just say it and be done with it. I get that these are just 17 and 18 year old kids that are probably overwhelmed to an extent with the whole process. It's the pre-madonna, hat switch, press conference, mysterious twats on the tweeters that piss me off. Not saying Liner's a bad guy or actually doing any of that. I actually wish they'd change signing day to a signing deadline and allow colleges to go ahead and get ink on paper whenever they want up until the deadline. You want to play for us? Cool, grab your moms and your pops and you guys sign right here.
That's my big issue with Liner. It's not a secret if it's not a secret.
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What do you guys know about this kid? http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/vangorder_mack00.html
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/aub/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/7943129.jpeg)
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What do you guys know about this kid? http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/vangorder_mack00.html
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/aub/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/7943129.jpeg)
His dad has a cool stache.
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His dad has a cool stache.
By the way, has our little "Fear the stache" emoticon become somewhat ear-relevant?
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Stupid and obvious question, but I'll axe anyway...or maybe just say it. If you've switched and you're telling players you've swithced and you're trying to recruit others to Bama...then just say it and be done with it. I get that these are just 17 and 18 year old kids that are probably overwhelmed to an extent with the whole process. It's the pre-madonna, hat switch, press conference, mysterious twats on the tweeters that piss me off. Not saying Liner's a bad guy or actually doing any of that. I actually wish they'd change signing day to a signing deadline and allow colleges to go ahead and get ink on paper whenever they want up until the deadline. You want to play for us? Cool, grab your moms and your pops and you guys sign right here.
It is widely believed that this is led by the great Satan. He tells the kids to do this. I believe it is so. If you followed the TJ case closely, he was AU all the way up until the dead period. Saban didn't want Trooper getting in his ear. Also, it has more effect if you can pick up a great player and prevent your rival from having time to replace the one that you just stole.
Cheap recruiting tactics? I say yes cause I hate him with every fiber of my being. Effective? Absodamlutely. It hurts much more. But at least this time, he forecast his right hook. Like AUT1 sed, we are looking elsewhere, so we aren't gonna sit and do nothing this time.
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It is widely believed that this is led by the great Satan. He tells the kids to do this. I believe it is so. If you followed the TJ case closely, he was AU all the way up until the dead period. Saban didn't want Trooper getting in his ear. Also, it has more effect if you can pick up a great player and prevent your rival from having time to replace the one that you just stole.
Cheap recruiting tactics? I say yes cause I hate him with every fiber of my being. Effective? Absodamlutely. It hurts much more. But at least this time, he forecast his right hook. Like AUT1 sed, we are looking elsewhere, so we aren't gonna sit and do nothing this time.
#Whatafuckinglowlifethatsabanis
Brian Duckworth â€@BrianDuckworth
“@Smuphy: I really think that Derrick Green could commit to Auburn this weekend.†Big if so
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IMO, if Liner was going to commit to uat, he would've already done it a month or so ago. He's either trolling the fuck outta the bammers or he's trying to get them to anty up to get his signature.
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I think it's important to remember that Rivals, Scout, and 247 do not have access to the true commitment list. They keep up with commitments based on what the kids say, and as of right, Dee Liner is committed to Auburn and has never reneged on his original commitment. They can't write, "Well it looks like Liner isn't really coming to Auburn, so we're going to drop him off of our list."
I think Liner is pulling this stunt to make Auburn look bad in the public eye when he switches. Our coaches may not even consider him a commitment but other recruits get on Rivals and see he's a commitment. Fans of other teams think he's a commitment. Hell, even many of our fans think he's a commitment.
So when he does pull the switch, comedians and spin doctors become vocal and our coaches probably don't really care.
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I think it's important to remember that Rivals, Scout, and 247 do not have access to the true commitment list. They keep up with commitments based on what the kids say, and as of right, Dee Liner is committed to Auburn and has never reneged on his original commitment. They can't write, "Well it looks like Liner isn't really coming to Auburn, so we're going to drop him off of our list."
I think Liner is pulling this stunt to make Auburn look bad in the public eye when he switches. Our coaches may not even consider him a commitment but other recruits get on Rivals and see he's a commitment. Fans of other teams think he's a commitment. Hell, even many of our fans think he's a commitment.
So when he does pull the switch, comedians and spin doctors become vocal and our coaches probably don't really care.
Yes. This happens in recruiting. I hope Prowler is right and he ends up in the fold but based on all of the red flags, I've prepared myself emotionally on Liner and won't be demoralized if he goes to Bama. We will be o.k. at D line regardless. We have some guys there to work with. It's LB I'm most concerned with. Foster and Cunningham would be good gets.
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BTW Prowler--Do you think that the DT commit that just left Bama for FSU Demarcus Walker will play into this? It would seem to me that it either has or will. He's another highly ranked DT.
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I don't read much into us targeting other D-Linemen based on the assumption that Liner probably won't come to AU. I tend to believe (And this is just me babbling out loud) that we would have signed a 4 star 315 pound JUCO lineman and gone after his teammate regardless of whether Liner and Lawson were solid or not. Let's face it, the 4 guys in our rotation now, Whittaker, Wright, Blackson and Carter, got pushed around like high school kids for 12 games this season. Regardless of a kid's high school accolades, you can't rest your hopes on a true freshman coming in to the SEC West and making a difference right away.
It's obvious that this staff wants to get better much sooner than later and they're willing to get more than the average number of JUCO kids to make that happen.
Oh...and to follow up...I AM hoping Jeremy Johnson will come in and make a difference right away. Someone will have to in order for us to be competitive next season.
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I don't read much into us targeting other D-Linemen based on the assumption that Liner probably won't come to AU. I tend to believe (And this is just me babbling out loud) that we would have signed a 4 star 315 pound JUCO lineman and gone after his teammate regardless of whether Liner and Lawson were solid or not. Let's face it, the 4 guys in our rotation now, Whittaker, Wright, Blackson and Carter, got pushed around like high school kids for 12 games this season. Regardless of a kid's high school accolades, you can't rest your hopes on a true freshman coming in to the SEC West and making a difference right away.
It's obvious that this staff wants to get better much sooner than later and they're willing to get more than the average number of JUCO kids to make that happen.
Oh...and to follow up...I AM hoping Jeremy Johnson will come in and make a difference right away. Someone will have to in order for us to be competitive next season.
I agree to an extent, but if you get the JUCO guys who can help immediately it softens the blow of losing the HS target and it gives you another year to go out and get another from the next class.
I am not ready to give up on Wallace yet. I gave up on Chris Todd and when Gus came in as OC he broke records. Chris Freaking Todd broke records! Maybe the magic can be worked on Wallace.
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I agree to an extent, but if you get the JUCO guys who can help immediately it softens the blow of losing the HS target and it gives you another year to go out and get another from the next class.
I am not ready to give up on Wallace yet. I gave up on Chris Todd and when Gus came in as OC he broke records. Chris Freaking Todd broke records! Maybe the magic can be worked on Wallace.
I admit I was pleasantly surprised by his play. He was one of maybe a handful of players that were even giving close to 100% by the time he took over at QB. I think the kid could be solid. I think JJ can be special. Maybe not right away but I'm fine with breaking a few guys in next year and playing for the future. I've always got 1 or 2 incoming guys that I get hyped up on, thinking they're going to step right in and kick ass, based on HS stats and film. And it normally turns out I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. I've watched a ton of film on Johnson (The player, not dicks) and not only is a he physical freak, but he seems to fit right in with Malzahn's style of play. Distributes the ball all around, makes all the throws and is a threat to run when needed.
That being said, he'll prolly wind up robbing liquor store.
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I don't read much into us targeting other D-Linemen based on the assumption that Liner probably won't come to AU. I tend to believe (And this is just me babbling out loud) that we would have signed a 4 star 315 pound JUCO lineman and gone after his teammate regardless of whether Liner and Lawson were solid or not. Let's face it, the 4 guys in our rotation now, Whittaker, Wright, Blackson and Carter, got pushed around like high school kids for 12 games this season. Regardless of a kid's high school accolades, you can't rest your hopes on a true freshman coming in to the SEC West and making a difference right away.
It's obvious that this staff wants to get better much sooner than later and they're willing to get more than the average number of JUCO kids to make that happen.
Oh...and to follow up...I AM hoping Jeremy Johnson will come in and make a difference right away. Someone will have to in order for us to be competitive next season.
I really hope that the pushing around had more to do with the apparent lack of physical practices, lack of intensity in the weight room and/or coaching. These guys were major targets for big D1 schools and I don't think they were all wrong. The new staff should able to make an immediate impact with them.
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I really hope that the pushing around had more to do with the apparent lack of physical practices, lack of intensity in the weight room and/or coaching. These guys were major targets for big D1 schools and I don't think they were all wrong. The new staff should able to make an immediate impact with them.
See, this is what I'm hoping for. I believe there was something horribly wrong throughout the entire program which led to a total lack of discipline or motivation for the players. It didn't take a rocket surgeon to see someone like Gabe Wright, who came in with all the credentials, had become a slob. Seriously! I actually think the kid played pretty hard by season's end and was one of the few making an occasional play. But I stood next to the guy when he came in as a freshman and thought, get this kid in the weightroom and he's going to be unstoppable. He couldn't keep his jersey down over his gut this season. He was flabby and grossly out of shape.
I'm hoping a new regime, a new attitude and some serious discipline will get these guys back on track. At least the ones who want it.
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See, this is what I'm hoping for. I believe there was something horribly wrong throughout the entire program which led to a total lack of discipline or motivation for the players. It didn't take a rocket surgeon to see someone like Gabe Wright, who came in with all the credentials, had become a slob. Seriously! I actually think the kid played pretty hard by season's end and was one of the few making an occasional play. But I stood next to the guy when he came in as a freshman and thought, get this kid in the weightroom and he's going to be unstoppable. He couldn't keep his jersey down over his gut this season. He was flabby and grossly out of shape.
I'm hoping a new regime, a new attitude and some serious discipline will get these guys back on track. At least the ones who want it.
FUCK YOU GENE
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Heard on the radio this morning that Liner made a twatter post that he just got off the phone with Malzahn and felt better about his decision. Who knows what will happen
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I agree to an extent, but if you get the JUCO guys who can help immediately it softens the blow of losing the HS target and it gives you another year to go out and get another from the next class.
I am not ready to give up on Wallace yet. I gave up on Chris Todd and when Gus came in as OC he broke records. Chris Freaking Todd broke records! Maybe the magic can be worked on Wallace.
We still need a dual threat QB and I'm hoping Wallace can be that person. The only problem I see is having a backup if Wallace gets hurt.
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Heard on the radio this morning that Liner made a twatter post that he just got off the phone with Malzahn and felt better about his decision. Who knows what will happen
There is no date stamp on that tweet.
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Heard on the radio this morning that Liner made a twatter post that he just got off the phone with Malzahn and felt better about his decision. Who knows what will happen
You want answers? You want answers? You can't handle the truth!
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There is no date stamp on that tweet.
It was made within the first two weeks of Malzahn's hire.
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See, this is what I'm hoping for. I believe there was something horribly wrong throughout the entire program which led to a total lack of discipline or motivation for the players. It didn't take a rocket surgeon to see someone like Gabe Wright, who came in with all the credentials, had become a slob. Seriously! I actually think the kid played pretty hard by season's end and was one of the few making an occasional play. But I stood next to the guy when he came in as a freshman and thought, get this kid in the weightroom and he's going to be unstoppable. He couldn't keep his jersey down over his gut this season. He was flabby and grossly out of shape.
I'm hoping a new regime, a new attitude and some serious discipline will get these guys back on track. At least the ones who want it.
First day of workouts today and players can barely walk (one player stated something about being afraid to drive because his legs were jello). I'm still thinking there'll be maybe 8 more players quit before the season starts...maybe more than that, wouldn't surprise me. That's what happens when you don't have discipline in the weightroom for 2-3 years. Then you bring in a Drill Sergeant to whip them back in shape.
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First day of workouts today and players can barely walk (one player stated something about being afraid to drive because his legs were jello). I'm still thinking there'll be maybe 8 more players quit before the season starts...maybe more than that, wouldn't surprise me. That's what happens when you don't have discipline in the weightroom for 2-3 years. Then you bring in a Drill Sergeant to whip them back in shape.
Hoo. Rah.
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BTW Prowler--Do you think that the DT commit that just left Bama for FSU Demarcus Walker will play into this? It would seem to me that it either has or will. He's another highly ranked DT.
That opens up the pocket book for uat to â€up the anty†on Liner.
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Hoo. Rah.
"Come September 1st, I don't think any of us will be tired if we go to triple OT the way Coach Russell has been training us." - Arky St. player (2012).
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"Come September 1st, I don't think any of us will be tired if we go to triple OT the way Coach Russell has been training us." - Arky St. player (2012).
Let's just hope that translates into less of what they had and more of what they need.
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Then you bring in a Drill Sergeant to whip them back in shape.
Great, so we'll still be pussies next year.
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Lawd, I hope we keep Lawson. that is all.
Today at the AU Athletic Facility:
Jerraud Powers @JPowers25
Cam got this entire room smelling like garbage truck juice....maaaann it's too hectic and he keep doing the "stink stink" face
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Lawd, I hope we keep Lawson. that is all.
Today at the AU Athletic Facility:
Jerraud Powers @JPowers25
Cam got this entire room smelling like garbage truck juice....maaaann it's too hectic and he keep doing the "stink stink" face
Jerraud has never been confused as a Rhodes Scholar.
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Great, so we'll still be pussies next year.
This ladies and gentlemen is how a hustle is performed!
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Lawd, I hope we keep Lawson. that is all.
Today at the AU Athletic Facility:
Jerraud Powers @JPowers25
Cam got this entire room smelling like garbage truck juice....maaaann it's too hectic and he keep doing the "stink stink" face
This is AUSOME!
How else could Cam leave a trace of himself in the athletic department? Pee and poo go down the toilet, but fart particles can linger and when our players breathe in Cammy Cam fart particles, look out SEC. We comin'.
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Great, so we'll still be pussies next year.
:fu:
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I admit I was pleasantly surprised by his play. He was one of maybe a handful of players that were even giving close to 100% by the time he took over at QB. I think the kid could be solid. I think JJ can be special. Maybe not right away but I'm fine with breaking a few guys in next year and playing for the future. I've always got 1 or 2 incoming guys that I get hyped up on, thinking they're going to step right in and kick ass, based on HS stats and film. And it normally turns out I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. I've watched a ton of film on Johnson (The player, not richards) and not only is a he physical freak, but he seems to fit right in with Malzahn's style of play. Distributes the ball all around, makes all the throws and is a threat to run when needed.
That being said, he'll prolly wind up robbing liquor store.
To add to the growing list of indicators about Liner, he made his visit to UAT this wknd and posted on his tweeterz "Never Again". His entourage, which included some of his fam from what I heard was in Bama gear. To be expected on a visit there BUT I read that this was like his 3rd wknd in a row going to Tuscaloser. I hope that's not true. Anyways, I writed him off a long time ago so's I got no investment in it on signing day. Only upside.
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Apparently, I pushed him over the edge with the above post. Sorry guys.
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Apparently, I pushed him over the edge with the above post. Sorry guys.
Way to go, Dick.
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To add to the growing list of indicators about Liner, he made his visit to UAT this wknd and posted on his tweeterz "Never Again". His entourage, which included some of his fam from what I heard was in Bama gear. To be expected on a visit there BUT I read that this was like his 3rd wknd in a row going to Tuscaloser. I hope that's not true. Anyways, I writed him off a long time ago so's I got no investment in it on signing day. Only upside.
Can we afford some chop-blocks after we are on top, by say 24 points, in the 2013 IB?
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Way to go, richard.
oopsies.
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Hearing we're likely to lose Lawson to Tennessee.
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Hearing we're likely to lose Lawson to Tennessee.
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Makes me think that Foster will go elsewhere too once his top linemen are bolting.
Fuck it. Who needs defense anyway when we have Malzahn and Jeremy-Cam?
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Hearing we're likely to lose Lawson to Tennessee.
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He was on Ãnside the Huddle" last week and I found him to be very non-committal in questions about his committment. The ever so popular "committed right now" attitude. I have more faith in CL than Liner. I think Lawson is a good kid and comes from a good home. The coaching change and the "rocky" relationship with Garner from the UGA days could be too much for us to overcome but I still believe we get him in the end. He gets an in home from Garner b4 NSD and I think he's supposed to visit AU again too.
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He was on Ãnside the Huddle" last week and I found him to be very non-committal in questions about his committment. The ever so popular "committed right now" attitude. I have more faith in CL than Liner. I think Lawson is a good kid and comes from a good home. The coaching change and the "rocky" relationship with Garner from the UGA days could be too much for us to overcome but I still believe we get him in the end. He gets an in home from Garner b4 NSD and I think he's supposed to visit AU again too.
Yup and we get his last visit right before the two day dead period leading up to NSD. The Lawson's are playing this smart and the dad is heavily involved. I think they actually liked the school itself more than they did Troop-a-Lupe and the McNurra's. I don't feel so bad about Lawson. I also think we keep Foster too.
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Hearing we're likely to lose Lawson to Tennessee.
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Well, the Clemson fans out there will beg to differ with you since he is a lock to go there. Also, Tennessee gettin' errbody!
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Well, the Clemson fans out there will beg to differ with you since he is a lock to go there. Also, Tennessee gettin' errbody!
So will the tarheels. Right now about 5 schools have Lawson silently committed.
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So will the tarheels. Right now about 5 schools have Lawson silently committed.
I heard he plans to flick double barrell birdies at the presser and flip to Bama on NSD.
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So, if my cipherin' is correct, we have 15 commits, 3 of which are already signed, Artimus-Pyle, Danzey and Bradley. How many more can we sign....10? What do we have and what do we need?
RB: Mason, Blakely, Grant, Porsche on the roster. Artimus-Pyle signed and Wilkins verbal. Both are 4 star guys and both bad ass. If Wilkins sticks with us and that's what we get, I'll be happy. If Derrick Green hops on board...all bets are off.
QB: Wallace and Frayzha. Nick Marshall and Jeremy Johnson verbals. If both sign, we suddenly go from not having an SEC caliber QB on the roster to hold on just a damn minute. Marshall has D1 and JUCO experience putting up sick numbers and JJ is the one guy I think can really step right in and be effective in Malzahn's system.
WR: Our one legit pass catcher is gone. Coates is the epitome of "potential". Ricardo Louis is my pick to bust loose. After that....??? Jason Smith and Earnest Robinson are verbals. Smith may be the all-around playmaker we've been wanting for some time while Robinson is the prototype, athletic receiver at 6'2" 200. I think we desperatley need 1-2 more.
O-Line: With the addition of JUCO Guard, Danzey, I think the future is in good hands. 2 great recruiting classes with last year's being rated only behind Stanford's by most experts. We have numbers and talent. Time to develop it.
DL: Numbers, size, great resume's...but a definite lack of anyone stepping up. Was it coaching? Strength and conditioning? Lack of desire to get better? All of the above? Ben Bradley looks like a quick fix on paper and if we hang on to 5 star Carl Lawson and 4 star Ta'Shawn Bowers (6'5" 243 DE), we could be pretty good if the new staff gets the current group off their collective asses. Defintely need another (a) playmaker. Montraviosity Adams?
LB: McKinzey, Frost and :facepalm: That's it!!! Cameron Toney looks solid but we damn sure better go nail down Foster and/or a couple more good size kids. Maybe a JUCO? Names? Gurus?
DB: I like this group. Especially with the experience that Holsey and Jones got as true freshmen by year's end. With the addition of Melton and JUCO bad ass, Brandon King, I think we can find a group to put on the field and be pretty damn good. I'm hoping the new staff will get in some of these guy's heads, like Florence, and get them playing up to their potential.
ST: Everything looks solid for this year, if Clark learns to punt again. Signing two foosballz kickers should keep the future bright. Long snapper worries me. Malzahn needs to make that priority ONE!!!
Thoughts? Names to look out for? Most pressing needs in your opinion?
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In my expert opinion, you give a pretty good summarization, for a novice. I don't think we keep Wilkins.
I think we do have an outside shot at Montrae. This would be HUGE. I don't know why we haven't been shown much interest by him so far but his final visit is between us and USC. We are a couple hrs drive away from his home and that has to be nice to momma. She is a big part of his decision making and she likes Dabo.
Most concerning is LB, as you point out. I say we close with Cunningham and Walton (kid from Daphne below radar) and Foster. If this happens, we're in good shape at LB for this class but still won't have much depth. I wished for some Juco LB help and we did swing and miss with the Longolionallollapalooza kid.
I think Trovon Reed and Quan Bray could step up at WR for us. Smith and Robinson may not see a redshirt though.
Our biggest needs are still on D, imo. Early on, we was rolling baby!
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Thoughts? Names to look out for? Most pressing needs in your opinion?
In my expert opinion, you give a pretty good summarization, for a novice. I don't think we keep Wilkins.
I think we do have an outside shot at Montrae. This would be HUGE. I don't know why we haven't been shown much interest by him so far but his final visit is between us and USC. We are a couple hrs drive away from his home and that has to be nice to momma. She is a big part of his decision making and she likes Dabo.
Most concerning is LB, as you point out. I say we close with Cunningham and Walton (kid from Daphne below radar) and Foster. If this happens, we're in good shape at LB for this class but still won't have much depth. I wished for some Juco LB help and we did swing and miss with the Longolionallollapalooza kid.
I think Trovon Reed and Quan Bray could step up at WR for us. Smith and Robinson may not see a redshirt though.
Our biggest needs are still on D, imo. Early on, we was rolling baby!
:pwnd: by the quote function.
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At this moment in football time, I disagree with all of your opinions except for the Tommy Tuberville facepalm.
This group of kids were led by a mongoloid into the most embarrassing football season in Auburn's history. It's one of if not the most embarrassing seasons in SEC history. In fact, it makes the list of national most embarrassing football seasons.
Two years removed from a national championship and we finished the season 3-9 over and 0-8 in the SEC. We were beat 87-0 in our final two games against our biggest rivals.
Every one of the players on our roster contributed to that.
So here's what I think based on what I've seen from our players and not from what I expect from them:
RB: Mason - works hard. Always keeps his legs churning. Everyone else sucks monkey balls and may not deserve an SEC scholarship.
QB: Nobody. Our incoming signees hopefully will be a step up, but Marshall is not Newton and Johnson will be 18 years old.
WR: Nobody. A bunch of overhyped, underachieving boys with one player that can catch a hail mary in the back of an endzone. I'm most excited about Robinson because he's big and strong and can run routes, but like Jeremy Johnson, he'll be 18, so how can you honestly rely on him?
O-Line: Nobody. We have high school talent that didn't translate to SEC talent. They're led by an undisciplined Dismukes and complemented by confused and weak young guys.
DL: Nobody. If Lawson comes in, I think we'll have a legitimate pass rusher immediately, but we definitely need our JUCO guy to step up and Montravious Adams to sign.
LB: Nobody. The worst unit in Auburn history. The worst in the SEC. If Foster comes, hopefully he can play college ball immediately, but I'm not banking on it.
DB: Nobody. No one can cover one-on-one. No one punishes free receivers. No one can catch.
ST: Kicking and punting look great. Our one bright spot. Returns are awful. We have nobody.
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:pwnd: by the quote function.
I'm sorry, I didn't fuck anything up, did I?
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I'm sorry, I didn't fuck anything up, did I?
No, but you put THS in a pissy mood.
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At this moment in football time, I disagree with all of your opinions except for the Tommy Tuberville facepalm.
This group of kids were led by a mongoloid into the most embarrassing football season in Auburn's history. It's one of if not the most embarrassing seasons in SEC history. In fact, it makes the list of national most embarrassing football seasons.
Two years removed from a national championship and we finished the season 3-9 over and 0-8 in the SEC. We were beat 87-0 in our final two games against our biggest rivals.
Every one of the players on our roster contributed to that.
So here's what I think based on what I've seen from our players and not from what I expect from them:
RB: Mason - works hard. Always keeps his legs churning. Everyone else sucks monkey balls and may not deserve an SEC scholarship.
QB: Nobody. Our incoming signees hopefully will be a step up, but Marshall is not Newton and Johnson will be 18 years old.
WR: Nobody. A bunch of overhyped, underachieving boys with one player that can catch a hail mary in the back of an endzone. I'm most excited about Robinson because he's big and strong and can run routes, but like Jeremy Johnson, he'll be 18, so how can you honestly rely on him?
O-Line: Nobody. We have high school talent that didn't translate to SEC talent. They're led by an undisciplined Dismukes and complemented by confused and weak young guys.
DL: Nobody. If Lawson comes in, I think we'll have a legitimate pass rusher immediately, but we definitely need our JUCO guy to step up and Montravious Adams to sign.
LB: Nobody. The worst unit in Auburn history. The worst in the SEC. If Foster comes, hopefully he can play college ball immediately, but I'm not banking on it.
DB: Nobody. No one can cover one-on-one. No one punishes free receivers. No one can catch.
ST: Kicking and punting look great. Our one bright spot. Returns are awful. We have nobody.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Negative Nancy here. I will change my tune when they prove they can play football.
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No, but you put THS in a pissy mood.
All that stuff is Coach Cheeznicks fault, not mine. I only caused Dee Liner to flip.
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All that stuff is Coach Cheeznicks fault, not mine. I only caused Dee Liner to flip.
I thought he hurdled that fence? Now you're telling me he flipped over it? That's impressive for someone who doesn't swim.
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I thought he hurdled that fence? Now you're telling me he flipped over it? That's impressive for someone who doesn't swim.
That is racist, sir.
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That is racist, sir.
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Fuck's sake, you guys are depressing me.
I am going all WarTim on your asses and declaring that the kids already on the roster (absent a non-hacker or two) will surprise you in the fall. The new coaching staff is going to unfuck them.
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At this moment in football time, I disagree with all of your opinions except for the Tommy Tuberville facepalm.
This group of kids were led by a mongoloid into the most embarrassing football season in Auburn's history. It's one of if not the most embarrassing seasons in SEC history. In fact, it makes the list of national most embarrassing football seasons.
Two years removed from a national championship and we finished the season 3-9 over and 0-8 in the SEC. We were beat 87-0 in our final two games against our biggest rivals.
Every one of the players on our roster contributed to that.
So here's what I think based on what I've seen from our players and not from what I expect from them:
RB: Mason - works hard. Always keeps his legs churning. Everyone else sucks monkey balls and may not deserve an SEC scholarship.
QB: Nobody. Our incoming signees hopefully will be a step up, but Marshall is not Newton and Johnson will be 18 years old.
WR: Nobody. A bunch of overhyped, underachieving boys with one player that can catch a hail mary in the back of an endzone. I'm most excited about Robinson because he's big and strong and can run routes, but like Jeremy Johnson, he'll be 18, so how can you honestly rely on him?
O-Line: Nobody. We have high school talent that didn't translate to SEC talent. They're led by an undisciplined Dismukes and complemented by confused and weak young guys.
DL: Nobody. If Lawson comes in, I think we'll have a legitimate pass rusher immediately, but we definitely need our JUCO guy to step up and Montravious Adams to sign.
LB: Nobody. The worst unit in Auburn history. The worst in the SEC. If Foster comes, hopefully he can play college ball immediately, but I'm not banking on it.
DB: Nobody. No one can cover one-on-one. No one punishes free receivers. No one can catch.
ST: Kicking and punting look great. Our one bright spot. Returns are awful. We have nobody.
Well, you thought Abraham should have told God to kiss his ass, so I disagree with your disagreement.
But seriously, folks....
I think the talent level on this team is far better than the results on the field. Not saying much, but... The so called "experts" couldn't be wrong about all these kids. In retrospect, I believe the previous coaching staff started to implode in 2011, the minute this program actually had to rely a good bit on coaching. Other than Malzahn having the kids to run his system and a head coach who told the media to fuck itself in 2010, there was no coaching. But...there was leadership. Lots of it. 2010 had a huge group of experienced players who follwed lock-step with the ultimate talent and ultimate leader. Cam Newton. Coaching didn't cause them to overcome deficits in all those games. Looking at each other and saying, "It's time to kick some ass", was the key.
There were no leaders in 2011 and no coaching to get them on track. As the season wore on, they did something on numerous occasions I'd never seen an AU team do....QUIT. They quit in 2011 and damn, had they ever quit by season's end this past year. There was something horribly wrong throughout the program and cleaning house was the right move. No doubt. Will a new staff and new attitude automatically make us contenders in the West? No freakin' way. Too many deficiencies at too many positions. But, those can be filled in short order. I've used the example of Ole Miss...and that's sad....but a new staff came in this past year and turned a 10 loss team into a damn competitive bunch who went and won a bowl game. I think that kind of season is attainable while we're on our way back up.
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Fuck's sake, you guys are depressing me.
I am going all WarTim on your asses and declaring that the kids already on the roster (absent a non-hacker or two) will surprise you in the fall. The new coaching staff is going to unfuck them.
I hope so, but I think that unfucking is going to have to be of biblical proportions.
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I hope so, but I think that unfucking is going to have to be of biblical proportions.
You saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
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You saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Don't know, I do know he made Chizdump. The Anti-Coach
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You saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
This guy threw at his own son in a father son game
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Well, you thought Abraham should have told God to kiss his ass, so I disagree with your disagreement.
But seriously, folks....
I think the talent level on this team is far better than the results on the field. Not saying much, but... The so called "experts" couldn't be wrong about all these kids. In retrospect, I believe the previous coaching staff started to implode in 2011, the minute this program actually had to rely a good bit on coaching. Other than Malzahn having the kids to run his system and a head coach who told the media to fuck itself in 2010, there was no coaching. But...there was leadership. Lots of it. 2010 had a huge group of experienced players who follwed lock-step with the ultimate talent and ultimate leader. Cam Newton. Coaching didn't cause them to overcome deficits in all those games. Looking at each other and saying, "It's time to kick some ass", was the key.
There were no leaders in 2011 and no coaching to get them on track. As the season wore on, they did something on numerous occasions I'd never seen an AU team do....QUIT. They quit in 2011 and damn, had they ever quit by season's end this past year. There was something horribly wrong throughout the program and cleaning house was the right move. No doubt. Will a new staff and new attitude automatically make us contenders in the West? No freakin' way. Too many deficiencies at too many positions. But, those can be filled in short order. I've used the example of Ole Miss...and that's sad....but a new staff came in this past year and turned a 10 loss team into a damn competitive bunch who went and won a bowl game. I think that kind of season is attainable while we're on our way back up.
Christ on a cracker.
I want to agree with you, but you wrap up by essentially saying that we aspire to be Ole Miss.
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Christ on a cracker.
I want to agree with you, but you wrap up by essentially saying that we aspire to be Ole Miss.
Well, we were their homecoming game this year.
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Trovon Reed - BREAKOUT YEAR!
Signed,
AWK
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This guy threw at his own son in a father son game
This guy looks like a party favor when he sneezes
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This guy threw at his own son in a father son game
How's your wife and my kids?
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Trovon Reed - BREAKOUT YEAR!
Signed,
AWK
You cut deep. :(