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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on October 10, 2010, 08:51:02 AM
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Hang on a second. I need to load this Chuck Mangione CD and put "Feels So Good" on repeat.
Auburn...
- Cam Newton Express? Cam Newton Can? Yes We Cam? We've got to eventually come up with some kind of nickname for this demigod. He only deserves it.
- This is the difference between last season and this season. Kentucky is one of the most difficult opponents in the SEC. Blasphemy, you say? Well think of it this way - who really cares about playing Kentucky? It's like playing Vanderbilt or Mississippi State. It should be an easy win. It should be a chance to play younger guys and try out a few new plays. But Kentucky right now is a pretty good football team, and in order to beat them, you have to go in with the same energy and emotions as if you were playing Arkansas or South Carolina.
- And that's where we made the jump. Both last year and this year, our team had blank faces plagued by yawns and itchy eyes. Our team wanted to be anywhere but Lexington last night, and just like last year, Kentucky burned us for it. But last year, we didn't have the talent or testicular fortitude to get the W. This year, however, we did. We reached down deep and put together a beautiful drive led by Cam Newton and kicked the game winning field goal.
- Let me ask you this - did our team run around crazy with big smiles after the game winning field goal last night? It almost looked like they said, "Whew. Alright. Let's get on the plane."
- As for the actual game plan, it looked decent on offense. I still feel like we run Cam Newton too much. We're not in position to have a running back by committee. I think even though Dyer is young and will have a few mistakes, it's important to take the risk and give him the ball consistently throughout the game.
- Defensively, what else would you expect? And before we crucify Ted Roof and the poor tackling and that ridiculous Randall Cobb run, we all must realize that we experienced what all of our opponents experience when facing Cam Newton. Randall Cobb is an incredible football player, and he burned us.
- This team is still on the up and up. I think we have a good shot to beat Arkansas at home this weekend and head into the LSU game undefeated.
Alabama...
- Oh how the mighty has fallen. It wasn't enough for South Carolina to just beat you. They beat you at your own game.
- Saban's baby, the "NFL ready" secondary? Made silly by Stephen Garcia.
- The front 7 which is dubbed one of the best in college football? No sacks. Lattimore got 93 yards. His back up churned out yards. Even Garcia got to the next level.
- The Heisman trophy winner and his more talented back up? Held to 36 yards.
- If only Lattimore had gotten 7 more yards. That would have toppled everything Alabama has stood on for the past few years.
- This is a precarious moment for the Alabama season. In order to regroup and really get back into the NC race, Alabama has to find the right leadership from the right people. How did the leadership respond?
- Nick Saban (it starts with him) was completely inappropriate if you ask me. His post game comments nearly...just nearly... threw his team under the bus. Maybe I missed the context and the exact words, but "This team will learn a lesson from this," and "these guys have to understand how to prepare and understand what it is we're trying to do" sounds an awful lot like, "the players didn't get the job done because we had a good game plan." But I understand, Coach. It's all about the process. And the process has nothing to do with giving the other team credit for beating your ass for 60 minutes.
- Mark Ingram. McElroy may be the real leader of this team, but when you're the Heisman trophy winner, everyone on your team is watching you. When you sprinted off the field without shaking anyone's hand, it definitely conveyed poor sportsmanship. Maybe you needed to take a big dump. I don't know. But it definitely looked like you were being a crybaby bitch, and I promise that kind of behavior doesn't help turn around a football team.
- Is McElroy committed to getting better? I heard him call out his team after the game. I hear he challenged them to either commit to making this team better or to leave. That's good leadership, but there's an issue here.
- Even though McElroy had the best statistical game of his career, I feel like he greatly contributed to this loss. He's played with a high level of arrogance his last 8 or 9 games. He's made a lot of great plays. He does it with a smile on his face. He buys time in the pocket. He scampers for a few extra yards. And he acts like the biggest badass for doing it. The rest of us realize that it's Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson making it happen. The rest of us understand that it's Saban's defense that really shuts down the other team and gives McElroy the chance to make a few cute plays while saying, "I'm fine" with a smile on his face even though he just suffered a mild concussion (see Florida game last week).
- McElroy has developed into a pretty good quarterback. But like I've said, he's not all that great. He missed a few open receivers early in the game, but his worst mistake was taking too many sacks. He holds onto the ball hoping to make a play, and when you're solely in charge of winning a game, you have to be perfect. Sometimes, you have to drop back, make your reads, and then throw the ball away. McElwain put this game on McElroy's shoulders, and McElroy gave South Carolina a lot of momentum by taking those sacks.
- And the real culprit was McElwain. How do you not run Ingram and Richardson more than 17 times? That's a horrible game plan. But I really dislike McElroy, so I'll just pick on him.
- Here's the kicker - it doesn't get easier from here. Ole Miss is dangerous. They still have a few talented guys on defense, and Masoli could be coming around at just the right time. It will be interesting to see how Alabama responds against an opponent they may want to overlook.
LSU...
- It looked so dumb. I laughed a lot when it happened. My wife said, "That was stupid!" But it was genius.
- That LSU kicker wasn't going to make a 54(ish) yard field goal in Gainesville to clinch the win against Florida. Calling the fake and it working is genius. It always is. But only if it works
- Lucky Les gets it done again. The Mad Hatter is the real River Boat Gambler.
- Now, LSU gets to continue to get better on offense as McNeese St travels to Baton Rouge next week. Just great. LSU will now be a really tough game for Auburn in two weeks.
Florida...
- Is Urban Meyer ok? I mean, can his heart handle that kind of an ending?
- Florida has a lot of work to do. Their offense is horrible, and it's not going to be all that easy to get by an emerging Miss State team next week.
South Carolina...
- This team is the real deal. Honestly, I'm surprised we beat them. They have all the tools to run through the rest of their schedule and compete for the SEC title.
- As long as Stephen Garcia continues to play well, this team really could be an NC contender. A strong, tough defense with a solid running game and big play receivers. What more do you need?
- I'd like to point out, once again, that we beat this team. And honestly, besides a few mistakes that gave them great field position early in the game, we beat their ass. But that's a bit homerish of me because the score was only 35-27 with Auburn earning 338 rushing yards.
Ohio State...
- Yawn. What's it like being an Ohio State fan? It has to be boring.
- New #1. Whooossoavoagb.
Oregon...
- You can't lose your quarterback and win...oh wait. Maybe you can. And he's a white guy that can run fast? Is there something in the water up there?
- I see Lache Seastrunk on the sideline every time I turn on an Oregon game. Why isn't he at least returning punts or kicks or taking an end around? The guy was a huge recruit with Olympic speed. Is he a bust? Did he get hurt? Seriously, I'm asking.
USC...
- You're right. Lane Kiffin really did win that game. The players lost it at the end. He won't hurt your program at all. Sanctions? Please. You eat sanctions for breakfast.
Stanford...
- My buddy is getting his doctorate from Stanford. Yesterday, he watched Alabama get beat. Then he watched Auburn win. Then he sprinted over to Stanford's stadium and watched USC put together an impressive drive to take the lead. And then he watched Stanford drive down and kick the game winning field goal. Then he rushed the field and slapped hands with Andrew Luck.
- Not a bad day of football for him.
Tennessee...
- Before everyone laughs at them, their roster is about 50% freshmen.
Michigan...
- Michigan causes me to have nightmares. They are very similar to us. Not so strong defense. A do-it-all quarterback with some surrounding talent. When Michigan State shut down Denard Robinson, Michigan couldn't keep up. Nightmares....
Boise State...
- You let Toledo get 14 points? Damn. That's horrible. Who would ever vote you in the top 15? Not me.
Final Thought...
- Expect anger this afternoon. The rankings won't make sense. How could they? So many different people each with their own justifications and most of them probably didn't watch any football besides what they saw on Gameday Final.
- How could one objectively rank each team when the season now looks a little like this:
1. Alabama lost to South Carolina who lost to Auburn. But Alabama started #1 and we don't like to drop #1's too far down no matter what, so they probably won't drop out of the top 5.
2. Auburn defeated South Carolina, who at the time was a top 12 team, who defeated the #1 team Alabama. But Auburn is #8 right now, and no one else lost in the top 7 besides Alabama and we already know Alabama isn't dropping too far, so Alabama, who lost to South Carolina, who lost to Auburn, will still be ranked ahead of Auburn.
3. LSU, who had to get extremely lucky to defeat Tennessee, who was blown out by Georgia, who was only 1-4 at the time, will still move up into the top ten because #9 Arizona lost and LSU will get credit for narrowly defeating #14 Florida, who has looked terrible all season.
4. Nebraska, who has played absolutely no one of note (Washington is BY FAR their toughest opponent), is getting NC type respect and will most likely remain ahead of Auburn despite Auburn facing some stiff competition. Nebraska only beat South Dakota State 17-3. People seem to be overlooking that. And why not? Nebraska looked great on Thursday night against Kansas State, who was technically undefeated.
5. Ohio State will move up to #1 despite having one quality win on their schedule against Miami, who was blown out by Florida State, who was blown out by Oklahoma.
6. Since Oklahoma didn't play yesterday, no one cares, and no one will move them anywhere.
- Angry yet?
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Lots of good stuff to digest there...
I have lots of thoughts, but this is the one I'll put out here...
This now sets up a scenario where the SEC Champ could be left on the outside looking in (And Auburn is in a prime spot to get screwed...again) when you consider that 4 teams in the 3 other BCS conferences are all undefeated, AND looking good enough to stay that way, at least until OU and Neb play at some point, plus the likes of TCU and Boise remaining undefeated, and that's a likely scenario. Then Utah made some BCS Buster noise yesterday too, and Neb has an emerging Heisman hopeful, and looked good Thurs. With bammer losing by 2 TDs, and not looking particularly good, it's possible Bammer could fall more than 5 slots. Not likely, but possible...everybody saw that game yesterday and watched bammer get manhandled.
NOT predicting any of the above, and you can bet there'll be more upsets in the future...just sayin'.
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We get a chance to see UCLA at Oregon this Thursday.
Saturday:
Ohio State has to travel to Madison to play some tough Badgers.
Nebraska rolls out the welcome mat to twice beaten Texas in Lincoln
and of course
Auburn plays host to the Razorback pass attack.
There just aren't many games to highlight this week.
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In the post-game comments I heard from Saban on the radio, he said he and his coaching staff took full responsibility for not getting them ready.
Honestly, I think it is an all around fail. We were outcoached, outplayed, just flat out beat down from start to finish. That is everybody's fault, imo.
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If Bama doesn't drop more than five places, there is no justice whatsoever in college football. It ain't like a trap team they didn't prepare for slipped in a last second field goal for a one point victory. This was the Game Day game of the week against a ranked opponent and they manhandled them in every facet of the game.
Auburn ahead of SC, ahead of Bama. Anything else would fly in the face of logic.
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In the post-game comments I heard from Saban on the radio, he said he and his coaching staff took full responsibility for not getting them ready.
Honestly, I think it is an all around fail. We were outcoached, outplayed, just flat out beat down from start to finish. That is everybody's fault, imo.
Coach speak, nothing more. The players will pay for the coaching fuck up this week, bank on that. A fellow coach on my youth team who is a typical bammer though a pretty decent youth coach, said to him bammer looked tired...tired legs. I didn't see that, but I didn't see a team mentally ready to play a team that was willing to stand toe to toe with them and suffer the beating it would take to win. Like someone said, USCe beat bammer at their own power game. Bammer would have beaten any of the teams outside the top 10 yesterday, other than USCe. Whats so bad for bammer now, is they're like the old pride Alpha Male lion, that has been somewhat challenged but not really, that just got injured on a hunt. If you thought bammer was getting everybody's best game before yesterday, you aint seen shit yet. Just like coaches seem to burn out at around 10 years...the grind is tough, TOUGH...this bammer team has a ring and just lost and has 2 more current top 10 teams left on the schedule...will this team pick itself up or will they coast out the remainder. It's hard enough to keep a satiated team hungry...wonder how hard it will be now, or will the loss re-energize them?
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If Bama doesn't drop more than five places, there is no justice whatsoever in college football. It ain't like a trap team they didn't prepare for slipped in a last second field goal for a one point victory. This was the Game Day game of the week against a ranked opponent and they manhandled them in every facet of the game.
Auburn ahead of SC, ahead of Bama. Anything else would fly in the face of logic.
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The fuck?
No part of me can see any justification to think otherwise.
Please, try to justify it. I could use a laugh.
By the way, speaking of the infallible coaching abilities of Lord Saban, what the fuck was up with faking a field goal on 4th and fucking 11? Are you kidding me? I wouldn't try that on X-box.
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By the way, speaking of the infallible coaching abilities of Lord Saban, what the fuck was up with faking a field goal on 4th and fucking 11? Are you kidding me? I wouldn't try that on X-box.
That was totally uncharacteristic of Saban.
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That was totally uncharacteristic of Saban.
Yesterday was fake field goal day in the SEC. Didn't yall get the memo?
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The fuck?
No part of me can see any justification to think otherwise.
Please, try to justify it. I could use a laugh.
By the way, speaking of the infallible coaching abilities of Lord Saban, what the fuck was up with faking a field goal on 4th and fucking 11? Are you kidding me? I wouldn't try that on X-box.
It can't be justified, which was the whole point in my :wartim: response. It's bammer and the polsters...they ain't dropping bammer as far as you're claiming they should.
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That was totally uncharacteristic of Saban.
Said a lot about where he thought they were in that game, and where he thinks this team is as a whole JMHO.
I thought when I saw it yesterday that he did that out of desparation, or thinking that bammer is SO good I can make this fucked up call and we'll pull this outta our asses even doing stupid XBox shit.
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It can't be justified, which was the whole point in my :wartim: response. It's bammer and the polsters...they ain't dropping bammer as far as you're claiming they should.
And to add - Gameday Final last night (maybe it was Kirk and Brent) discussed where Alabama would fall to, and they mentioned Bama only falling to 3 or 4 and maybe falling all the way to 5. That's what I was thinking about when I made my post.
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That was totally uncharacteristic of Saban.
Sarcasm?
It was weird for Saban to do that, but he has a history. See dumbass fake punt call in the BCSCG.
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BTW, if y'all think this isn't a crazy season...going in to yesterday there we're 16 unbeaten teams. Same time last year, there were 12. For you non math majors, that's 33% more this year.
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And to add - Gameday Final last night (maybe it was Kirk and Brent) discussed where Alabama would fall to, and they mentioned Bama only falling to 3 or 4 and maybe falling all the way to 5. That's what I was thinking about when I made my post.
That's the whole debate on ESPN today. It's a question of how many TCU/Boise lovers are voting IMO. Plus what will they now do with LSU at 6-0, and Nebraska after looking very strong Thurs. It is primed for a REAL shakeup if the pollsters are nutsy enough. Mich. State is for real too.
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Sarcasm?
It was weird for Saban to do that, but he has a history. See dumbass fake punt call in the BCSCG.
No sarcasm. With the exception of one here and there, Saban typically doesn't make calls like that. I don't that is a part of his "process". I agree with JR, that kind told me that Saban was out of sync and ready to push the panic button.
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In the post-game comments I heard from Saban on the radio, he said he and his coaching staff took full responsibility for not getting them ready.
Honestly, I think it is an all around fail. We were outcoached, outplayed, just flat out beat down from start to finish. That is everybody's fault, imo.
Well yes and that was what I attempted to convey from the start of the game. Dr. Lou reiterated it later on. Alabama's calling card is its run game, mixed with play action, a tad of wildcat, Julio on some out patterns the TE drags and a long ball or two for good measure. When Nick did an about face putting the game in McElroy's hands, it actually pumped-up the South Carolina defense, because they were expecting to take it in the mouth and stay out on the field until their tongues were dragging. But Saban chose not to break their will.
McElroy, for as good a field general as he is IMO is out of his element as a gunslinger. He manages, and he is very adepth at it, perhaps better than anyone, because I think that Hanks and Maze are just above average although they both block well downfield.
As for the defense, it would be easy to just to just slough it off and say they are young and inexperienced which they are but the way the game unfolded was a telltale sign of what was to come.
We often see two distinctly different halves in a game but Spurrier knew he had you guessing and had to keep the hammer down of he was going to lose it as evidenced by the failed first possession of the second half.
Still, what we would normally expect with so much time left is Bama grinding it with a controlled short passing game however the South Carolina D was rested and the Bama offensive line looked ordinary and Greg is rattled in spite of having to hear Gary Danielson repeatedly say otherwise.
He held the ball too long and the sacks just worsened the field position.
I thought Bama would have adjusted better at the half, show more patience and pull this one out based on the offensive line pummeling a good South Carolina defensive line with Mark and Trent. They had not failed before as a group and yet the plan never really changed. Alabama beats them seven times out of ten, just not yesterday.
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BTW, if y'all think this isn't a crazy season...going in to yesterday there we're 16 unbeaten teams. Same time last year, there were 12. For you non math majors, that's 33% more this year.
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Well surprise surprise.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/10/auburn_moves_up_to_no_7_in_the.html
Someone can make this a new thread if they like.
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I kept hearing the word dominating when describing Alabama all week long. How far did the great Texas fall after it's first embarrassment? Even Phillip Fulmer wouldn't guess but 5th of 6th for Alabama. How far did Florida fall after the Bama loss?
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Well yes and that was what I attempted to convey from the start of the game. Dr. Lou reiterated it later on. Alabama's calling card is its run game, mixed with play action, a tad of wildcat, Julio on some out patterns the TE drags and a long ball or two for good measure. When Nick did an about face putting the game in McElroy's hands, it actually pumped-up the South Carolina defense, because they were expecting to take it in the mouth and stay out on the field until their tongues were dragging. But Saban chose not to break their will.
McElroy, for as good a field general as he is IMO is out of his element as a gunslinger. He manages, and he is very adepth at it, perhaps better than anyone, because I think that Hanks and Maze are just above average although they both block well downfield.
As for the defense, it would be easy to just to just slough it off and say they are young and inexperienced which they are but the way the game unfolded was a telltale sign of what was to come.
We often see two distinctly different halves in a game but Spurrier knew he had you guessing and had to keep the hammer down of he was going to lose it as evidenced by the failed first possession of the second half.
Still, what we would normally expect with so much time left is Bama grinding it with a controlled short passing game however the South Carolina D was rested and the Bama offensive line looked ordinary and Greg is rattled in spite of having to hear Gary Danielson repeatedly say otherwise.
He held the ball too long and the sacks just worsened the field position.
I thought Bama would have adjusted better at the half, show more patience and pull this one out based on the offensive line pummeling a good South Carolina defensive line with Mark and Trent. They had not failed before as a group and yet the plan never really changed. Alabama beats them seven times out of ten, just not yesterday.
Well, when SC got up pretty big, and you can see they're not going to let off the gas, you kind of have to put it in your QB's hands and start making some throws. The problem? We don't really stretch the field. If we pass it, it's going to be a screen, drag Julio or a TE across the middle, or something like that. McElroy whiffed on reading some wide open guys on post and go routes yesterday. I mean wide-the-fuck-open guys.
Bottom line: outcoached, and outplayed in every way possible. I can explain a million different things that went wrong, but that is the best way to sum it up. We got punked.
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Well surprise surprise.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/10/auburn_moves_up_to_no_7_in_the.html
Someone can make this a new thread if they like.
Color me completely shocked. I honestly thought Alabama would be sitting at #4 or #5, just based on all the media love.
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Color me completely shocked. I honestly thought Alabama would be sitting at #4 or #5, just based on all the media love.
I'm right there with you. I was thinking #6 at absolute worse.
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I'm right there with you. I was thinking #6 at absolute worse.
Not completely shocked, but from the whole big picture deal, I don't think the pollsters had much choice if they wanted it to have any validity at all.
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Not completely shocked, but from the whole big picture deal, I don't think the pollsters had much choice if they wanted it to have any validity at all.
True that, but with the massive hand jobs going with the media and bama, I just didn't this.
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True that, but with the massive hand jobs going with the media and bama, I just didn't this.
Florida dropped 7 places after we stomped them, so I think Alabama's drop to 8 is appropriate. Wouldn't have shocked me to see us go 9 or 10, though.
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Florida dropped 7 places after we stomped them, so I think Alabama's drop to 8 is appropriate. Wouldn't have shocked me to see us go 9 or 10, though.
What I am wondering is if they were gonna drop bama, why not two more spots right behind SC.
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Florida dropped 7 places after we stomped them, so I think Alabama's drop to 8 is appropriate. Wouldn't have shocked me to see us go 9 or 10, though.
What I am wondering is if they were gonna drop bama, why not two more spots right behind SC.
6 to 8 spots is normal if you get beat, not lose on a fluke or whatver. Sometime a couple more if it's a home loss, a couple less if it's a close road loss. This was a sure nuff loss for bammer, and not a close one. Pollsters got it about as right as they could.
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What I am wondering is if they were gonna drop bama, why not two more spots right behind SC.
We went from the top one loss team in the country to the 3rd place one loss team in the SEC while winning our game.
At this point in time, I feel like the rankings are pretty fair as per the SEC teams.
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We went from the top one loss team in the country to the 3rd place one loss team in the SEC while winning our game.
At this point in time, I feel like the rankings are pretty fair as per the SEC teams.
Yeah, Arkansas actually dropped in the polls. Weird
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6 to 8 spots is normal if you get beat, not lose on a fluke or whatver. Sometime a couple more if it's a home loss, a couple less if it's a close road loss. This was a sure nuff loss for bammer, and not a close one. Pollsters got it about as right as they could.
If we lose to OM, we will probably be close to #20. If it happens, they should just go ahead and take us out of the poll.
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If we lose to OM, we will probably be close to #20. If it happens, they should just go ahead and take us out of the poll.
No way bama loses to Ole Piss.
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Yeah, Arkansas actually dropped in the polls. Weird
I was hoping both of our teams would be ranked in the top 10 this week to help us get the CBS game. We got the broadcast anyways, so no matter.
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I'm surprised.
Still upset that South Carolina is technically considered inferior to Alabama.
Like someone said earlier and referring back to my post from a few days ago -
We could be on the outside looking in. You know how these polls go. The more SEC teams lose, the less likely we are to impress voters by running the table.
Long way to go before we can worry about that, but I have an uneasy feeling concerning the BCS.
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No way bama loses to Ole Piss.
I don't think so either. I agree with JR, though; it will all depend on whether the team decides to pick themselves up and be pissed off, or mail it in for the rest of the season.
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I don't think so either. I agree with JR, though; it will all depend on whether the team decides to pick themselves up and be pissed off, or mail it in for the rest of the season.
Bama by at least three TDs.
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Seeing someone call another poster out with a " :wartim:" emoticon for saying one thing, saying why he's worth the " :wartim:", and then doing a total flip flop and justifying what the " :wartim:" poster was saying, is something I've seen before...
Can't seem to put my finger on who was infamous for that kind of flim flam opinionating...hmmm....
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Seeing someone call another poster out with a " :wartim:" emoticon for saying one thing, saying why he's worth the " :wartim:", and then doing a total flip flop and justifying what the " :wartim:" poster was saying, is something I've seen before...
Can't seem to put my finger on who was infamous for that kind of flim flam opinionating...hmmm....
I'm recently feeling like the board is being haunted by a ghost of a poster I thought we'd gotten rid of. A GalensGhost, if you will.
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I'm recently feeling like the board is being haunted by a ghost of a poster I thought we'd gotten rid of. A GalensGhost, if you will.
I thought Galen left on his own accord. Was he banished?
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I'm recently feeling like the board is being haunted by a ghost of a poster I thought we'd gotten rid of. A GalensGhost, if you will.
The infamous Galen Ghost, spooking a forum near you.
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I thought Galen left on his own accord. Was he banished?
He left on his own accord. We don't ban.
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The infamous Galen Ghost, spooking a forum near you.
We are getting close to Halloween. If you listen closely, you can hear a faint whisper of "aaaaallllll haaaaaaat nooooooooo cattle."
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We are getting close to Halloween. If you listen closely, you can hear a faint whisper of "aaaaallllll haaaaaaat nooooooooo cattle."
I thought it was the faint smell of a litter box finding it's way back into a corner room here somewhere...hmm...
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I thought it was the faint smell of a litter box finding it's way back into a corner room here somewhere...hmm...
Can we look forward to the appearance of Birmingham and Kaos or will that have to wait until the ghost of Christmas past thread?
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I thought it was the faint smell of a litter box finding it's way back into a corner room here somewhere...hmm...
ppppfffftt.
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Seeing someone call another poster out with a " :wartim:" emoticon for saying one thing, saying why he's worth the " :wartim:", and then doing a total flip flop and justifying what the " :wartim:" poster was saying, is something I've seen before...
Can't seem to put my finger on who was infamous for that kind of flim flam opinionating...hmmm....
Please to be pointing out the flip flop.
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Please to be pointing out the flip flop.
It can't be justified, which was the whole point in my :wartim: response. It's bammer and the polsters...they ain't dropping bammer as far as you're claiming they should.
Splain this. That was your whole point? The :wartim: smiley indicates I was being a homer by saying Auburn should be ranked ahead of SC, who should be ahead of bammer. It implies that you disagree with me. Then you proceed to say that anything to the contrary "can't be justified". It would appear that this means you agree with me, yet you continue to argue some vague point just to be edgy and contentious.
We've had to deal with this exact shit before, and I for one don't miss it.
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Splain this. That was your whole point? The :wartim: smiley indicates I was being a homer by saying Auburn should be ranked ahead of SC, who should be ahead of bammer. It implies that you disagree with me. Then you proceed to say that anything to the contrary "can't be justified". It would appear that this means you agree with me, yet you continue to argue some vague point just to be edgy and contentious.
We've had to deal with this exact shit before, and I for one don't miss it.
You apparently lost track. The :wartim: was for your thinking that our defense isn't a problem. You are a homer on that, and all your post excusing their play is ludicrous.
What I was referring to that can't be justified (IF I'm recalling correctly the post in question) is your saying something about if the pollsters put bammer somewhere you disagreed with.
2 completely different subjects....but if you need clarification, your take on the defense is homerish, was, and still is...
Your take on the polls is, well, different, as evidenced by your stupid Chiz polls.
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You apparently lost track. The :wartim: was for your thinking that our defense isn't a problem. You are a homer on that, and all your post excusing their play is ludicrous.
What I was referring to that can't be justified (IF I'm recalling correctly the post in question) is your saying something about if the pollsters put bammer somewhere you disagreed with.
2 completely different subjects....but if you need clarification, your take on the defense is homerish, was, and still is...
Your take on the polls is, well, different, as evidenced by your stupid Chiz polls.
Please show me exactly where the fuck I made this argument defending the defense. I simply never said anything of the sort. Read the thread again. What the hell are you talking about?
The only time I said anything whatsoever about our defense, is when you basically forced me to because you were crusading against this position I never held, nor even implied that I held. And even then I didn't say anything like what you're saying I did. Only pointing out that obviously our offense scores at least a little bit more than our defense allows, or else we wouldn't have outscored opponents by 100 fucking points so far this year. But if you're going to tirade against that fact (or ignorant homeristic opinion, as you prefer to call it), then at least keep it in that thread.
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You see WarEagle!!? You see what happens when we don't fuck a thread up?
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You apparently lost track. The :wartim: was for your thinking that our defense isn't a problem. You are a homer on that, and all your post excusing their play is ludicrous.
What I was referring to that can't be justified (IF I'm recalling correctly the post in question) is your saying something about if the pollsters put bammer somewhere you disagreed with.
2 completely different subjects....but if you need clarification, your take on the defense is homerish, was, and still is...
Your take on the polls is, well, different, as evidenced by your stupid Chiz polls.
Chad's polls are only right 8/12 of the time. Thats 3/4 for you idiots on the board... :thumsup:
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Please show me exactly where the fuck I made this argument defending the defense. I simply never said anything of the sort. Read the thread again. What the hell are you talking about?
The only time I said anything whatsoever about our defense, is when you basically forced me to because you were crusading against this position I never held, nor even implied that I held. And even then I didn't say anything like what you're saying I did. Only pointing out that obviously our offense scores at least a little bit more than our defense allows, or else we wouldn't have outscored opponents by 100 fucking points so far this year. But if you're going to tirade against that fact (or ignorant homeristic opinion, as you prefer to call it), then at least keep it in that thread.
I took his :wartim: as meaning that you assuming that Au>SCe>Bama in any poll today would be naive on your part. Although logical, very naive. As it stands now, the polls have Au>Bama>SCe....just saying, it was naive to think they would do something logical.
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You see WarEagle!!? You see what happens when we don't phuk a thread up?
That isn't a unicorn on a rainbow emoticon is it? SWEET!
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Please show me exactly where the fuck I made this argument defending the defense. I simply never said anything of the sort. Read the thread again. What the hell are you talking about?
The only time I said anything whatsoever about our defense, is when you basically forced me to because you were crusading against this position I never held, nor even implied that I held. And even then I didn't say anything like what you're saying I did. Only pointing out that obviously our offense scores at least a little bit more than our defense allows, or else we wouldn't have outscored opponents by 100 fucking points so far this year. But if you're going to tirade against that fact (or ignorant homeristic opinion, as you prefer to call it), then at least keep it in that thread.
Nope, I clarified what I said, because it's completely possible that posts and thread have run together since earlier today.
Chiz's orange and blue world is what it is...
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Nope, I clarified what I said, because it's completely possible that posts and thread have run together since earlier today.
Chiz's orange and blue world is what it is...
Posts and threads are running together on a collision couse.
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Chad's polls are only right 8/12 of the time. Thats 3/4 for you idiots on the board... :thumsup:
The gift that keeps on giving!
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JR... This is real simple...
1. You threw the :wartim: out at Chizad because you felt like his statement was entirely a "hope" rather than anything based on what you see as reality. However, it's only because you immediately assumed he was just being a homer that you didn't just read what he said, which was perfectly justifiable, and simply an opinion.
Then you flip flop on how it's "bammers and their polsters" position that made you point and call Chizad AFTER the poll comes out dropping bammer as Chizad had hoped, and call it a common thing. In fact, here's your quote:
6 to 8 spots is normal if you get beat, not lose on a fluke or whatver. Sometime a couple more if it's a home loss, a couple less if it's a close road loss. This was a sure nuff loss for bammer, and not a close one. Pollsters got it about as right as they could.
So, in conclusion, you went from calling Chizad a sunshine pumper basically to agreeing with his position. Now you're dancing around it like a jackass and acting like it's everyone else confusing the situation.
Get over yourself. You just got it wrong. They dropped more than you thought. What's the big fucking deal?
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JR... This is real simple...
1. You threw the :wartim: out at Chizad because you felt like his statement was entirely a "hope" rather than anything based on what you see as reality. However, it's only because you immediately assumed he was just being a homer that you didn't just read what he said, which was perfectly justifiable, and simply an opinion.
Then you flip flop on how it's "bammers and their polsters" position that made you point and call Chizad AFTER the poll comes out dropping bammer as Chizad had hoped, and call it a common thing. In fact, here's your quote:
So, in conclusion, you went from calling Chizad a sunshine pumper basically to agreeing with his position. Now you're dancing around it like a jackass and acting like it's everyone else confusing the situation.
Get over yourself. You just got it wrong. They dropped more than you thought. What's the big fucking deal?
What Chad said WAS entirely a 'hope', which is poll logic. By logic he said the poll should read Auburn, SCe, then Bama. Yes, I agree with Chad that the order he said was the logical one, but totally a pipe dream thinking it would actually happen. And it didn't happen. These pollsters make no fucking sense. Thinking they will at this point is very naive. 2004 taught us that.
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What Chad said WAS entirely a 'hope', which is poll logic. By logic he said the poll should read Auburn, SCe, then Bama. Yes, I agree with Chad that the order he said was the logical one, but totally a pipe dream thinking it would actually happen. And it didn't happen. These pollsters make no fucking sense. Thinking they will at this point is very naive. 2004 taught us that.
Fair enough. Call it what you want, but the assumption that Chizad is wrong simply because it's big bad Alabama and because of all that conspiracy shit with the media, that it absolutly won't, is equally as stupid.
It's just the opposite, and stupid stance.
So, I guess the proper way to debate this would be to just find a pile of shit emoticon and post it right after someone throws the rainbow emoticon with no explanaition.
The only thing correct in the whole debacle, that is this thread, is that the pollsters don't make sense from week to week. It is a total crapshoot at times.
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Chad's polls are only right 8/12 of the time. Thats 3/4 for you idiots on the board... :thumsup:
About that...
My moronic fraction misstatement aside...
Explain how my polls are so insanely ignorant, while you're at it, JR.
Here's what I said, so you don't have to dig.
1. Oregon
2. Ohio State
3. Oklahoma
4. Auburn
5. Nebraska
6. LSU
7. Boise State
8. TCU
9. South Carolina
10. Utah
11. Alabama
12. Arkansas
I'd like to know what you thing is absolute blatheringly baffoonery. Please share your vast insight with the class.
Because I ranked Oregon ahead of Ohio State? I flip-flopped one and two? At least six other pollsters agree with me. You know, not every voter just looks at the last week's final BCS consensus and rides it all season. At least not the ones with half a brain in their head.
I'll justify just for you since it is driving you insane.
Oregon: Beat the holy hell out of Stanford, who I believe is pretty good themselves. They just beat USC. Tennesse & Arizona State are better than Ohio State's second and third best opponents.
Ohio State: Marshall, Ohio, Eastern Michigan, Illinois, Indiana. Yawn. Miami? Fair enough, although they just got the ever-loving shit smashed out of them by FSU this week.
Oklahoma: Wins against FSU & Texas > both better wins than Ohio State's most impressive win (Miami). Really, they probably even belong ahead of Ohio State, bumping them to (gasp) third. You could even justify, in my opinion, putting them behind...
Auburn: one of two undefeated teams in the toughest conference in the nation. A win over South Carolina, obviously, should carry some weight.
Nebraska: 17-3 against South Dakota State. Most impressive win is against an unranked Washington who lost to BYU and Arizona State.
LSU: Another undefeated SEC team. SC > UF, and UK > UT, and they really had no business beating either of those teams anyway. That puts them two spots behind Auburn.
Boise & TCU: I guess these are my most controversial picks, since being on their nuts is en vogue right now. The most impressive win between them was to Virginia Tech, who proved to be a joke the next week. They don't belong over an undefeated SEC team at this point in the season. Period.
South Carolina & Arkansas: As previously stated, AU > SC > uat > Arkansas based on the transitive property of common opponents to this point. Could it be proven wrong if Arkansas beats our ass next weekend? Absolutely. That's what next week's poll is for.
Utah: If you're going to be all over TCU & Boise's nuts for beating one decent team and a bunch of jokes, why leave Utah out?
Now, please rebut with something of substance. Bonus if you abstain from using a single smilie.
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JR... This is real simple...
1. You threw the :wartim: out at Chizad because you felt like his statement was entirely a "hope" rather than anything based on what you see as reality. However, it's only because you immediately assumed he was just being a homer that you didn't just read what he said, which was perfectly justifiable, and simply an opinion.
Then you flip flop on how it's "bammers and their polsters" position that made you point and call Chizad AFTER the poll comes out dropping bammer as Chizad had hoped, and call it a common thing. In fact, here's your quote:
So, in conclusion, you went from calling Chizad a sunshine pumper basically to agreeing with his position. Now you're dancing around it like a jackass and acting like it's everyone else confusing the situation.
Get over yourself. You just got it wrong. They dropped more than you thought. What's the big fucking deal?
Expecting the pollsters to treat bammer normally got the: :wartim:
The fact they did, doesn't mean that me saying what's normal was a flip flop. But have a fucking ball with your little victory if you feel like it.
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What Chad said WAS entirely a 'hope', which is poll logic. By logic he said the poll should read Auburn, SCe, then Bama. Yes, I agree with Chad that the order he said was the logical one, but totally a pipe dream thinking it would actually happen. And it didn't happen. These pollsters make no fucking sense. Thinking they will at this point is very naive. 2004 taught us that.
Again, I can't for the life of me find where I said the pollsters would see it the same way I did. I just said that it would defy logic not to see it that way. I never once indicated that I had faith in the pollsters to adhere to logic.
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What Chad said WAS entirely a 'hope', which is poll logic. By logic he said the poll should read Auburn, SCe, then Bama. Yes, I agree with Chad that the order he said was the logical one, but totally a pipe dream thinking it would actually happen. And it didn't happen. These pollsters make no fucking sense. Thinking they will at this point is very naive. 2004 taught us that.
FUCKING THIS!
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About that...
My moronic fraction misstatement aside...
Explain how my polls are so insanely ignorant, while you're at it, JR.
Here's what I said, so you don't have to dig.
I'd like to know what you thing is absolute blatheringly baffoonery. Please share your vast insight with the class.
Because I ranked Oregon ahead of Ohio State? I flip-flopped one and two? At least six other pollsters agree with me. You know, not every voter just looks at the last week's final BCS consensus and rides it all season. At least not the ones with half a brain in their head.
I'll justify just for you since it is driving you insane.
Oregon: Beat the holy hell out of Stanford, who I believe is pretty good themselves. They just beat USC. Tennesse & Arizona State are better than Ohio State's second and third best opponents.
Ohio State: Marshall, Ohio, Eastern Michigan, Illinois, Indiana. Yawn. Miami? Fair enough, although they just got the ever-loving shit smashed out of them by FSU this week.
Oklahoma: Wins against FSU & Texas > both better wins than Ohio State's most impressive win (Miami). Really, they probably even belong ahead of Ohio State, bumping them to (gasp) third. You could even justify, in my opinion, putting them behind...
Auburn: one of two undefeated teams in the toughest conference in the nation. A win over South Carolina, obviously, should carry some weight.
Nebraska: 17-3 against South Dakota State. Most impressive win is against an unranked Washington who lost to BYU and Arizona State.
LSU: Another undefeated SEC team. SC > UF, and UK > UT, and they really had no business beating either of those teams anyway. That puts them two spots behind Auburn.
Boise & TCU: I guess these are my most controversial picks, since being on their nuts is en vogue right now. The most impressive win between them was to Virginia Tech, who proved to be a joke the next week. They don't belong over an undefeated SEC team at this point in the season. Period.
South Carolina & Arkansas: As previously stated, AU > SC > uat > Arkansas based on the transitive property of common opponents to this point. Could it be proven wrong if Arkansas beats our ass next weekend? Absolutely. That's what next week's poll is for.
Utah: If you're going to be all over TCU & Boise's nuts for beating one decent team and a bunch of jokes, why leave Utah out?
Now, please rebut with something of substance. Bonus if you abstain from using a single smilie.
I will let JR answer you since you asked him directly but I actually think you're poll is more logical than the AP or ESPN polls, even though I don't agree with it entirely.
I agree Oregon LOOKS like the best team in the country - RIGHT NOW. Them and tOSU are 1a and 1b IMHO. Okl and Neb look good and SHOULD meet in the Big 12 title game but Okie Lite might have a slight say so in that before its over. I'm with you on Boise St and TCU, good teams? yes...But great teams? only against inferior 'teams'.
1. Oregon
2. Ohio State
3. Oklahoma
4. Nebraska
5. Auburn
6. Boise State
7. TCU
8. South Carolina
9. Utah
10. Alabama
11. Arkansas
12. LSU
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Again, I can't for the life of me find where I said the pollsters would see it the same way I did. I just said that it would defy logic not to see it that way. I never once indicated that I had faith in the pollsters to adhere to logic.
Fair enough. I was just saying why I thought JR threw out the :wartim:
Thinking the pollsters would do the logical thing is something we'll never see.
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Expecting the pollsters to treat bammer normally got the: :wartim:
The fact they did, doesn't mean that me saying what's normal was a flip flop. But have a fucking ball with your little victory if you feel like it.
No, you didn't explain shit. In fact you did a HORRIBLE job of explaining or telling anyone anything of the sort. Especially for a guy that normally basks in the glow of his normally long winded, overly verbose explainations of usually simple situations.
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No, you didn't explain shit. In fact you did a HORRIBLE job of explaining or telling anyone anything of the sort. Especially for a guy that normally basks in the glow of his normally long winded, overly verbose explainations of usually simple situations.
I'll be short and sweet then...FUCK YOU! GH clearly got what I meant. The fact that you're too fucking stupid isn't my problem.
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No, you didn't explain shit. In fact you did a HORRIBLE job of explaining or telling anyone anything of the sort. Especially for a guy that normally basks in the glow of his normally long winded, overly verbose explainations of usually simple situations.
Chad must have a secret ransom video of you jerking off to horse porn or something.
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You're standing over there. And you're standing over there. And I don't know which way is up!
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Chad must have a secret ransom video of you jerking off to horse porn or something.
:pwnd:
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I'll be short and sweet then...FUCK YOU! GH clearly got what I meant. The fact that you're too fucking stupid isn't my problem.
Lollerskates.
Ah...actually that was an easy one. You actually could have just used a " :fu:" this time. That would have actually been the CORRECT time to use a smiley. Not like you did earlier.
You'll learn at some point.
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Lollerskates.
Ah...actually that was an easy one. You actually could have just used a " :fu:" this time. That would have actually been the CORRECT time to use a smiley. Not like you did earlier.
You'll learn at some point.
Sadly, I doubt you will learn.
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Chad must have a secret ransom video of you jerking off to horse porn or something.
First, JR's addressed me personally also. Second, Chizad doesn't need my help. Thirdly, I can't stand Kaos type bullshit on here.
Can't help it if I think JR comes across as a complete and total assclown a lot on here. Many think the same about me. That's about five years old news at this point. Don't really care much. I know when to turn it on and off. Right now, it's flipped on. I'll admit that.
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Expecting the pollsters to treat bammer normally got the: :wartim:
The fact they did, doesn't mean that me saying what's normal was a flip flop. But have a fucking ball with your little victory if you feel like it.
Show me. Point to the point in the thread where I said that I expect the pollsters to vote logically.
And since we've decided that this thread will devolve into the pissing contest that it has, I'm going to have to organize your argument for you.
This is the argument from the other thread in its entirety, where supposedly I was sunshine pumping about the defense.
But with this defense, our opponents like Ark, and Ole Miss, and Bammer, will always be in the game unless we take a 4 TD lead in to the 4th quarter.
Dude. One game does not a pattern make.
Our last five games, we only gave up a total of 10 points in the fourth quarter.
This implied nothing about how Auburn's defense was an impenetrable iron curtain. This was reigning you in a bit on your comment that we have to have a 4 TD lead to beat Ark, Ole Miss, & Bammer going into the fourth quarter. You were implying that our 4th quarter performance has been awful all season.
I clarified this further...
I swear to God, if you are not Kaos trying to rebrand yourself with a new identity, you at least took his classes.
Here's what you said:
And here's what I said:
I think it's pretty clear that my comment was regarding your "We will need a 4 TD lead going into the 4th quarter in order to beat Ark, Ole Miss and Bammer" comment. It's silly, because even including this game, we have outscored opponents in the 4th quarter by a total of 44-13. Hell, we outscored Kentucky in the 4th quarter 6-3.
Nowhere in my comment can you find anything about how every facet of our team is sunshine and roses right now, and there is no way we can be beaten. This is the tried-and-true Kaos technique of spinning the argument by trying to morph someone else's comments into something easier for you to argue against.
Your response?
And here's my point, and you cannot dispute it if you're not looking through orange and blue glasses. Number of TDs be damned...our defense is as likely to give up a score as our offense is to score, and just as quickly.
Where the hell did that come from? Although tangent to the actual discussion about how we fare against opponents in the 4th quarter, it in itself was ridiculous. You're looking through orange and blue glasses if you don't recognize the iron clad fact that "our defense is as likely to give up a score as our offense is to score, and just as quickly"? Well, actually that's not a fact. Like, at all.
I spell that out for you, making it is clear as I know how, here:
Ok. I never disputed that, nor tried to, although...I will now, since you've malformed the argument into this one.
If we were just as likely to give up a score, as we were to score, at the same rate, we wouldn't be 6-0. We wouldn't have outscored opponents in every single game so far, for a total of 220-128.
If we had actually stayed on topic, my point would be even more sound that we outscored our oponents 44-13 in fourth quarters alone.
But instead, you confuse the issue, then bring arguments I never made in one thread, and act like I tried to make them in another thread, when the whole position you're ascribing to me never took place anywhere but in your delusional head.
And now we have this giant bloated post where I have to reign you back into reality so that you can stay on topic instead of making up some position for me that I never held, and just arguing with that for the sake of being combative. That act got old before you ever even got to this board. Seeing it manifest in someone else, after thinking we were finally done with that shit, I have to admit, really grinds my gears.
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First, JR's addressed me personally also. Second, Chizad doesn't need my help. Thirdly, I can't stand Kaos type bullshit on here.
Can't help it if I think JR comes across as a complete and total assclown a lot on here. Many think the same about me. That's about five years old news at this point. Don't really care much. I know when to turn it on and off. Right now, it's flipped on. I'll admit that.
I can't stand :wartim: bullshit so there ya go. Good that you recognize you're an assclown. Old news or not, it's good to not forget it.
Show me. Point to the point in the thread where I said that I expect the pollsters to vote logically.
And since we've decided that this thread will devolve into the pissing contest that it has, I'm going to have to organize your argument for you.
This is the argument from the other thread in its entirety, where supposedly I was sunshine pumping about the defense.
This implied nothing about how Auburn's defense was an impenetrable iron curtain. This was reigning you in a bit on your comment that we have to have a 4 TD lead to beat Ark, Ole Miss, & Bammer going into the fourth quarter. You were implying that our 4th quarter performance has been awful all season.
I clarified this further...
Your response?
Where the hell did that come from? Although tangent to the actual discussion about how we fare against opponents in the 4th quarter, it in itself was ridiculous. You're looking through orange and blue glasses if you don't recognize the iron clad fact that "our defense is as likely to give up a score as our offense is to score, and just as quickly"? Well, actually that's not a fact. Like, at all.
I spell that out for you, making it is clear as I know how, here:If we had actually stayed on topic, my point would be even more sound that we outscored our oponents 44-13 in fourth quarters alone.
But instead, you confuse the issue, then bring arguments I never made in one thread, and act like I tried to make them in another thread, when the whole position you're ascribing to me never took place anywhere but in your delusional head.
And now we have this giant bloated post where I have to reign you back into reality so that you can stay on topic instead of making up some position for me that I never held, and just arguing with that for the sake of being combative. That act got old before you ever even got to this board. Seeing it manifest in someone else, after thinking we were finally done with that shit, I have to admit, really grinds my gears.
Amazing that I'm accused of being overly verbose.
I give, you win. Too much to re-read and comment on. Whatever you said is right, whatever you think I said is wrong. Victory to you.
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I like penis and other gay things...discuss.
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I can't stand :wartim: bullshit so there ya go. Good that you recognize you're an assclown. Old news or not, it's good to not forget it.
Amazing that I'm accused of being overly verbose.
I give, you win. Too much to re-read and comment on. Whatever you said is right, whatever you think I said is wrong. Victory to you.
For the record, we've see that show too.
Completely undeniably backed into a corner and called on the complete bullshit that was just being spewed, and "You didn't dignify it by reading it".
Talk about deja vu.
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For the record, we've see that show too.
Completely undeniably backed into a corner and called on the complete bullshit that was just being spewed, and "You didn't dignify it by reading it".
Talk about deja vu.
Cowering here in my corner that I'm backed in to.
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Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
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Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
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My love for Auburn is undeniable but we are not a top five team.
We may end up there by virtue of people losing or us improving but we are not there as of yet.
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You see WarEagle!!? You see what happens when we don't fuck a thread up?
Very underrated post.
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Very underrated post.
I was thinking the same thing reading all this bullshit this morning. Someone, quote an obscure movie reference...STAT!
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Well, well, well. If it isn't Mr. Bullshit and Dr. I'm-full-of-shit?
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Well, well, well. If it isn't Mr. Bullshit and Dr. I'm-full-of-shit?
Which one of us has the PhD?
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You know what I used to have for breakfast? Cocaine. Know what I had for lunch? Cocaine.
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You know what I used to have for breakfast? Cocaine. Know what I had for lunch? Cocaine.
What did you have for dinner? Was it cocaine?
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My love for Auburn is undeniable but we are not a top five team.
We may end up there by virtue of people losing or us improving but we are not there as of yet.
^^This^^
GF: Role Models?
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I know why you are here, so don't BS a BSer, Ok?
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Well we're obviously not supposed to butt fuck these kids.
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I am not your big. I will hit a child.
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I am not your big. I will hit a child.
Who the fuck is Marvin Hamlisch?
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Me and the judge have a special relationship. I don't wanna get too graphic but I sucked his dick for drugs.
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Honky wanted a fistful of my balls!