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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on July 23, 2012, 02:52:42 AM
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Got any predictions for the NCAA ruling on Penn State?
Yeah. I got one.
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Pain.
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Here's my prediction....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c3Y2i-1mD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU
(NCAA is Ivan Drago)
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My guess: 40 M in fines, 3 years no bowls, 1 year no tv, loss of 40 scholarships.
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:s&m: :dead: :hammer:
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My guess: 40 M in fines, 3 years no bowls, 1 year no tv, loss of 40 scholarships.
I like the way you think. Might as well give em the death penalty. They need to be cleansed completely.
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I would add some "symbolic" punishments also. Vacating some wins/National Championships (particularly from when Sandusky was DC) and possibly removing Joe Pa from the record books.
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My guess: 40 M in fines, 3 years no bowls, 1 year no tv, loss of 40 scholarships.
Nice prediction Jarhead. Very close.
Fine of 60 million
No Bowl and postseason for 4 years
Scholarships reduced to 15 per year for 4 years
Vacates 1998-2011 wins (112 total - 111 from Joe Pa's record making Bowden the leader again)
5 years probation
WOW
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So I'll be like 70 when Penn State has a decent football team again, if ever.
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That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.
The fine, the vacated wins, and probation don't really mean anything.
USC lost postseason play for 2 years and lost 30 scholarships over a 3 year period, and the year they start getting it all back, they're favored to compete in the national championship. Penn State obviously will have a more difficult time overcoming the stigma of being the school that housed child rape, but as for sanctions, this isn't impossible to endure by any means.
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So I'll be like 70 when Penn State has a decent football team again, if ever.
When's the last time they were actually good? 199-something? They get propped up like Notre Dame and Bammer minus the Saban era.
Pfft...Penn State.
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That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.
The fine, the vacated wins, and probation don't really mean anything.
USC lost postseason play for 2 years and lost 30 scholarships over a 3 year period, and the year they start getting it all back, they're favored to compete in the national championship. Penn State obviously will have a more difficult time overcoming the stigma of being the school that housed child rape, but as for sanctions, this isn't impossible to endure by any means.
PSU benefits from not having rivals out to get them like SMU did (Texas and Oklahoma). If Ohio State could have said anything, they would have but they have their own sketchy recent run to get over so they kept the trap shut and monitored Urban's heart health.
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That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.
Balderdash. That's a fucking hammer.
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Balderdash. That's a fucking hammer.
Zak Lee.
USC and PSU aren't even comparable. And as of late, USC was a much healthier program. They have California to themselves with boocoodles of talent to choose from. These two situations aren't even close to the same. 4 years of no bowls or postseason?? Holy shit. That will affect their current roster and recruiting (which already wasn't good).
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That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.
The fine, the vacated wins, and probation don't really mean anything.
USC lost postseason play for 2 years and lost 30 scholarships over a 3 year period, and the year they start getting it all back, they're favored to compete in the national championship. Penn State obviously will have a more difficult time overcoming the stigma of being the school that housed child rape, but as for sanctions, this isn't impossible to endure by any means.
I am glad you think a 60 million dollar fine means nothing. That's their one year revenue - that number was picked for a reason. And even for PSU (a money rich school), thats a hefty price for just a "fine".
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I am glad you think a 60 million dollar fine means nothing. That's their one year revenue - that number was picked for a reason. And even for PSU (a money rich school), thats a hefty price for just a "fine".
And of course that doesn't even count the amounts that are going to be settled on with the civil suits.
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Balderdash. That's a fucking hammer.
My point was that Penn State definitely isn't finished off for good. The "source" yesterday said it would have been better for Penn State to receive the death penalty.
They're still on TV. They can still bring in 65 scholarship players in four years. They can still play next season. In two years, they can recruit Pennsylvania players that always dreamed of playing at Penn State. They can promise them that they'll be the lifeblood of the program's future. Their names will be on the wall. They will play in the school's first bowl game since sanctions.
Now I did just read that players can transfer immediately without sitting out a year. That may cripple them more immediately if many take off. Also, it looks like Delaney is going to announce his own penalties in a few hours.
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USC and PSU aren't even comparable. And as of late, USC was a much healthier program. They have California to themselves with boocoodles of talent to choose from. These two situations aren't even close to the same.
That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.
I am glad you think a 60 million dollar fine means nothing. That's their one year revenue - that number was picked for a reason. And even for PSU (a money rich school), thats a hefty price for just a "fine".
1.2 billion dollar endowment and plenty of booster money to contribute. It sucks for them, but $60 million, as I said before, doesn't do anything to their on the field performance.
Since they don't have to pay for 40 scholarhips, can they use that money to help pay the fine?
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That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.
The got damn Germans ain't got nuthin' to do with it!
Sumbitch
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In much more important news, Auburn is now 12th in all time NCAA wins.
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That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.
1.2 billion dollar endowment and plenty of booster money to contribute. It sucks for them, but $60 million, as I said before, doesn't do anything to their on the field performance.
Since they don't have to pay for 40 scholarhips, can they use that money to help pay the fine?
1. The endowment won't be 1.2 billion after this year.
2. An endowment doesn't just go to sports. And it isn't just "pure profit" that can be squandered. PSU is a big research institute that has a lot of costs.
My guess is this money will come from various sources including some from the AD. And as Sani said, lots of civil litigation is on going. Accts Payable will be busy in the next year.
Point is, the AD runs on a budget and this will affect it tremendously - especially since the AD will not be generating as much revenue the next 4 years. 4 years of no bowls/postseason is killer. Try recruiting to Penn State right now. What is your selling point? This doesn't include other coaches' negative recruiting. THIS is bad if you are Penn State. No two ways about it.
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Still say the napalm was the Attorney General's to deploy. This is a slippery slope to allow the rat bastards at the NCAA to have more power.
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That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.
Didn't say they handed them down in that manner. The outcomes will be different because PSU and USC are in totally different situations. Plus the penalties just weren't as harsh on USC. Ive never seen a team get a 4 year post season ban. I think it happened in the 50's or 60's maybe. This is much more crippling to a program that was already unstable like a Penn State. Not so much for USC which is a freight train the last decade (other than a few blips).
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From EDSBS: They get it:
Mark Emmert will announce the sudden, unprecedented, and immediate penalties against Penn State this morning, something that will fix everything, rectify every wrong done by college athletics, and certainly not lead to more dictatorial stupidity from an organization whose first job is running a billion dollar basketball tournament, and whose second responsibility is preserving an arcane code designed to prevent people from being properly paid for their work.
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What would I have the NCAA do here? Absolutely shit-nothing. After all, it's what they do most of the time. Ideally, I'd like them to evaporate overnight, and simply cease to exist. That will not happen, so I would instead like them to admit what they're doing: stabbing a corpse, and then demanding some public recognition of their ersatz bravery. I would like them to admit they are seizing a horrific moment in time to advance their own fartgassy agenda, and then demanding credit for it. They will burn an effigy after the courts have already done the hard work of humanity.
They will not do any of this. The NCAA's punishments serve no purpose, solve no problems, and prevent nothing. They represent an organization desperate for relevance seizing the moment to poach some kind of sinister power-up from this moment. They will -- and did -- suggest the "children" are the reason for the reach, and do so without openly guffawing or flinching from the shame a normal, moral person would feel at that moment. They will use the word "culture" to defend what they do, mostly because using that word allows you to make up whatever you like without evidence, justification, or data.
Most importantly, they will give everyone the important reminder that if you know a pedophile, you should probably alert the police and stop evil and stuff. They will then nuke Penn State football and people who had nothing to do with this off the map. Congratulations, albeit theatrically grim ones, will be shared between principals in the case.
Having solved one of the most fundamental flaws in humanity in a morning's work, Mark Emmert will then leave the stage, and go back to a giant building in Indianapolis paid for by unpaid athletes and collect his massive salary. He may have lunch, and then perhaps invent an appropriately colored ribbon or bracelet for the occasion. It would be a hollow gesture, but a fitting conclusion. Hollow people love hollow gestures.
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and the hits keep coming....
Big Ten adds $13M penalty to Penn State; charities will receive bowl revenue
By The Detroit News
The Big Ten has followed the NCAA's fine of $60 million against Penn State with a financial penalty of approximately $13 million, the conference announced Monday.
That is roughly what the school would have received in shared bowl revenue during the next four years, when it is ineligible for postseason play.
The Big Ten said it will instead donate $13 million to charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.
The Big Ten also said it would be "a party to" the NCAA-imposed five-year probation of Penn State football and "will work closely with the NCAA and Penn State to ensure complete compliance."
Censure also is part of the Big Ten's response to the findings in the Freeh Report:
"The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels — morally, ethically and potentially criminally," the Big Ten said in a prepared statement."They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state — and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State."
Penn State will not be eligible to play in the Big Ten championship game for four years, a component of its postseason ban.
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13 million over four years? Didn't we make that this year alone?
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That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.
1.2 billion dollar endowment and plenty of booster money to contribute. It sucks for them, but $60 million, as I said before, doesn't do anything to their on the field performance.
Since they don't have to pay for 40 scholarhips, can they use that money to help pay the fine?
You're nuts if you think this won't have an effect on them on the field. We don't even yet know the fallout as far as players transferring out.
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That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.
When they can decide on penalties based on no violation of their own bylaws, they can decide based on how good a program is.
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Bryant becomes the winningest coach without an asterisk.
Bammers celebrating. Obvious this is their motivation for "justice" at Penn St. And why they're celebrating now.
Edit: Bowden's still #1 by my account. Saw that on Twitter, but don't know where that came from. Did Bowden ever vacate any wins?
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Bryant becomes the winningest coach without an asterisk.
Bammers celebrating. Obvious this is their motivation for "justice" at Penn St. And why they're celebrating now.
Did they take away Bowden's wins too?
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Did they take away Bowden's wins too?
https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/227420077908193282
Winningest without an asterisk. at first he said Beamer & someone asked what Bryant's asterisk was.
@dennisdoddcbs: Correction: Bear Bryant becomes (again) the Division I wins leader without an asterisk.
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https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/227420077908193282
Winningest without an asterisk. at first he said Beamer & someone asked what Bryant's asterisk was.
Just watching sportscenter, and they showed the new list of all time winningest coaches, and Bowden topped the D1 list, and they didn't mention any asterisk, nor was there one next to his name. Some folks still claim there's one next to the 2010 BCS champion...does it really fucking matter?
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Eddie Robinson gets no love?
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Oh, and to finalize my official for what it's worth take on the NCAA and PSU...if the NCAA chose to act unilaterally and without jurisdiction, which they did, and Emmert pretty much said they did, they should have fucking issued a 3 or 4 year death penalty. Let PSU learn to be an ethical institution of higher learning without the distraction of football for a while.
Oh, and taking away wins from a dead coach for something that had nothing to do with a gaining a competitive advantage is fucking stupid, but totally expected.
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Eddie Robinson gets no love?
Do they actually play real football in D2 or D3?
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Do they actually play real football in D2 or D3?
In the '60's when Grambling was getting the top black athletes from the south and sending most of his senior class to the NFL every year it would have been like Auburn playing D3 schools week in and week out.
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As seen on another board.
In 2010 Penn State played Ohio State in a game both sides have now vacated.
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You're nuts if you think this won't have an effect on them on the field. We don't even yet know the fallout as far as players transferring out.
Please explain how $60 million to charity affects them on the field.
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Oh, and to finalize my official for what it's worth take on the NCAA and PSU...if the NCAA chose to act unilaterally and without jurisdiction, which they did, and Emmert pretty much said they did, they should have fucking issued a 3 or 4 year death penalty. Let PSU learn to be an ethical institution of higher learning without the distraction of football for a while.
Oh, and taking away wins from a dead coach for something that had nothing to do with a gaining a competitive advantage is fucking stupid, but totally expected.
That's what I said in the other thread. This is by no means any where near as crippling as I was expecting.
Cue more tired "You really don't think this nukes their program to hell?!?!" rebuttals.
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That's what I said in the other thread. This is by no means any where near as crippling as I was expecting.
Cue more tired "You really don't think this nukes their program to hell?!?!" rebuttals.
You're the only one I've heard that doesn't think it's devastating to them on the field. It's not the death penalty, but they're a sub .500 program for the next 8-10 years.
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You're the only one I've heard that doesn't think it's devastating to them on the field.
I never said that.
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Allowing players to get out now is as devastating as anything for the short term. They weren't that good in the first place but I would imagine a lot of their top talent is considering all available options.
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I never said that.
Then clarify, or point me to what you did say.
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Allowing players to get out now is as devastating as anything for the short term. They weren't that good in the first place but I would imagine a lot of their top talent is considering all available options.
I would think Jr and Sr players would stay. Underclassmen, I can see a lot of them getting out, as well as the 2012 signing class.
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Then clarify, or point me to what you did say.
I didn't realize Godfather deleted old comments as new ones were posted.
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I didn't realize Godfather deleted old comments as new ones were posted.
Sneaky bastard, that Godfather
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Please explain how $60 million to charity affects them on the field.
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I didn't realize Godfather deleted old comments as new ones were posted.
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Most all comments I've read and heard believe that short of the death penalty, this is as severe a punishment as could be handed down. This will be felt far beyond the 4 years involved, and that doesn't count the general disgust many will have with the name Penn St. They may not fully recover for over 10 years. In addition to the imposed fines, their revenues will be severely impacted.
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:fu:
Most all comments I've read and heard believe that short of the death penalty, this is as severe a punishment as could be handed down. This will be felt far beyond the 4 years involved, and that doesn't count the general disgust many will have with the name Penn St. They may not fully recover for over 10 years. In addition to the imposed fines, their revenues will be severely impacted.
So they can recover? Like I said?
Further, a lot of hyperbolic reaction to USC's sanctions said they were done too at least for a while. While Penn State and USC are much different programs, the level of sanctions levied on Penn State does not kill their program. Not by any means. However, what was reported yesterday was that the sanctions were "unprecedented." The sanctions would be worse than the death penalty and Penn State was finished.
The sanctions announced today? No where near as bad as what I was expecting. And that's been my whole point.
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Yep. 100%. How does $60 million to charity affect them on the field?
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From EDSBS: They get it:
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While I see your point TW, that post by EDSBS is more full of rhetoric than Barack Obama 2012.
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So they can recover? Like I said?
Further, a lot of hyperbolic reaction to USC's sanctions said they were done too at least for a while. While Penn State and USC are much different programs, the level of sanctions levied on Penn State does not kill their program. Not by any means. However, what was reported yesterday was that the sanctions were "unprecedented." The sanctions would be worse than the death penalty and Penn State was finished.
The sanctions announced today? No where near as bad as what I was expecting. And that's been my whole point.
So, you were expecting Emmert to exceed his and the NCAA's authority to the point he wiped the PSU off the face of the college football map? The whole reason PSU consented to these sanctions is because Emmert HAD to get them to do that because he, nor the NCAA had the actual authority to do this. He got the consent because he asked for it.
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So, you were expecting Emmert to exceed his and the NCAA's authority to the point he wiped the PSU off the face of the college football map?
Yep.
However, what was reported yesterday was that the sanctions were "unprecedented." The sanctions would be worse than the death penalty and Penn State was finished.
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Yep.
Again, you're the only one that thinks this isn't just as bad from the standpoint of their future. Yeah, they get to play football, they'll suck at it for the next 10-15 years.
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They didn't give the death penalty because PSU wouldn't consent to that.
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Yep.
My only point to you was that this will not have the same effect it did on USC. It will be much worse because of various reasons. Besides USC's punishment wasn't as severe anyway. We knew they would be hurting for a year maybe. USC was stockpiled on talent. Plus there is the ripple effect from this one....kids xfering, civil suits, nature of the crime, etc. USC paying Reggie Bush really doesn't dissuade a parent from sending a kid to USC. A Penn State coach molesting kids and the entire admin trying to cover it up? Damn right a parent will think twice about sending their kid to PSU...or letting them remain if they are a current player. This will have a much bigger effect than USC.
Remember too, every year of a penalty compounds everything. It gets worse. That extra year of scholly losses vs USC is actually a big deal. 4 years of scholly losses and 4 years of no post season. That is brutal.
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Yep. 100%. How does $60 million to charity affect them on the field?
Ummm.....b/c that is $60 million dollars less that they have to use for teh fooseball? That is one year of their revenue. That new equipment for the weight room, those stadium upgrades, that recruiting budget, those programs that rely soley on the football team to exist.......yeah that money will have to come elsewhere or the new equipment, stadium upgrades....etc...etc...etc that bedazzle recruits will have to be put on hold to pay for those other athletic programs. The money can't be paid by taking away from other revenue sports and can't be taken away from the money on hand b/c of the loss of scholarships.
Where is that $60 million going to come from? The endowment goes to more than just athletics. Go read their message boards, go back and watch footage of when they fired Joe Pa and see how many were pissed. I would bet that those big money boosters who have donated all that money over the years to Joe Pa's teams will not be as willing to donate as much as they used to. They are either still pissed or they don't want their good names associated with a program that harbored a known child molester.
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Ummm.....b/c that is $60 million dollars less that they have to use for teh fooseball? That is one year of their revenue. That new equipment for the weight room, those stadium upgrades, that recruiting budget, those programs that rely soley on the football team to exist.......yeah that money will have to come elsewhere or the new equipment, stadium upgrades....etc...etc...etc that bedazzle recruits will have to be put on hold to pay for those other athletic programs. The money can't be paid by taking away from other revenue sports and can't be taken away from the money on hand b/c of the loss of scholarships.
Where is that $60 million going to come from? The endowment goes to more than just athletics. Go read their message boards, go back and watch footage of when they fired Joe Pa and see how many were pissed. I would bet that those big money boosters who have donated all that money over the years to Joe Pa's teams will not be as willing to donate as much as they used to. They are either still pissed or they don't want their good names associated with a program that harbored a known child molester.
It also doesn't factor in the loss of revenue this will cause. BTW $60Mill is one years profit against $100Mil in revenue.
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It also doesn't factor in the loss of revenue this will cause. BTW $60Mill is one years profit against $100Mil in revenue.
Ive already said this many times. There is a huge ripple effect here.
BTW Penn State had 70 million in revenue last calender year and 50 million in Profit. This is the entire athletic dept's PROFIT. The fine is 10 million more than the AD profited last year. So no, will have no impact on their football program at all. (sarcasm intended)
Penn State Univ. (Football) $70,208,584 $19,780,939 $50,427,645
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Ive already said this many times. There is a huge ripple effect here.
BTW Penn State had 70 million in revenue last calender year and 50 million in Profit. This is the entire athletic dept's PROFIT. The fine is 10 million more than the AD profited last year. So no, will have no impact on their football program at all. (sarcasm intended)
Penn State Univ. (Football) $70,208,584 $19,780,939 $50,427,645
Watching ESPN this morning, they reported them with $100mil in revenue. So that was the number I used.
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Watching ESPN this morning, they reported them with $100mil in revenue. So that was the number I used.
Was that the graphic with TX, ND and PSU numbers?
If so, the numbers were "value of the football team" and "football profit".
I assume there is more in the "value" calculation than just simple revenue.
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Was that the graphic with TX, ND and PSU numbers?
If so, the numbers were "value of the football team" and "football profit".
I assume there is more in the "value" calculation than just simple revenue.
The figure I reported was an actual revenue number from last year. Not sure what went into that "Value" number. In other words, that fine is almost the same as their entire AD's gross revenue. Damn.
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Was that the graphic with TX, ND and PSU numbers?
If so, the numbers were "value of the football team" and "football profit".
I assume there is more in the "value" calculation than just simple revenue.
It was, and maybe I assumed it meant "revenue".
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On paper this may not be the death penalty, but as JR has said, PSU football is pretty much done for the next 10-15 years. They no longer have a Joe Pa type that is the face of the program (as he was before the scandal came to light). 10 scholarships a year over 4 years is massive. Especially when you figure in how many years it will take to restock that roster with legit talent after the 4 year period. Also figure the players that will ask the NCAA to be released from their scholarships, and granted waivers to transfer and play immediately elsewhere. And we both know that the NCAA will be more than happy to oblige. The money is huge, and gets only bigger when you factor in how much they will lose in donations, revenue, etc. Also figure in revenue lost from licensing, merchandising, etc etc.
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The last 13 years have been wiped clean (remember that win, against that Top 5 program? Yeah, it didn't happen)
$60 Million fine to go to charity (The Big 10 added another $10 Million fine...That's more than their yearly income for the whole ath. Dept)
Loss of 10 Scholarships per year for 4 years (can only bring in 15 total...Big 10 rules, can only bring in the same number of graduating Seniors or players that leave early)
Loss of 20 Total Scholarships a year for 4 years (That puts them at 65 Scholarship players)
4 year postseason and bowl ban
Any player can transfer without penalty (This could put them well below 65 Scholarships. It'll also affect the incoming classes...say that ALL of the Seniors and a few of the big named Juniors decide to transfer, PSU won't be able to hand out a scholarship for the upcoming class because they won't have anyone graduating or jumping early to the NFL)
This is the New Death Penalty
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This is the New Death Penalty.
And now, they can attempt to use it in the future even if there is no violation. Scary.
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The last 13 years have been wiped clean
Let's look at this year by year.
98 and 99
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=1995
00-04
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=2000
05-09
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=2005
10-11
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=2010
Looks like 111 wins that go bye bye and not a one of them anyone will really care about.
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And now, they can attempt to use it in the future even if there is no violation. Scary.
Here's another example that I had forgotten about - and while not on serial pedo levels, this was a MURDER case - still heinous.
Remember the 2003 murder of Baylor basketball player Patrick Dennehy by a former player, and head coach Dave Bliss' subsequent attempt to falsely portray Dennehy as a drug dealer to cover up for illegal tuition payments he'd made? Would Emmert (who was not yet with the NCAA at the time) step in if that indisputably heinous case arose today? If not, why? What's the threshold in determining whether something is special-jurisdiction-caliber repulsive or leave-it-to-the-enforcement-department-level disturbing?
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rapid-reports/post/19640203
Auburn coach Gene Chizik found his program in the crosshairs of an NCAA investigation in the fall of 2010. Reports of illicit payments made during the recruitment of quarterback Cam Newton flooded in, but ultimately the NCAA found no wrongdoing by Auburn.
That's why Chizik is giving the NCAA and its president Mark Emmert the benefit of the doubt about the sanctions handed down to Penn State on Monday.
“Obviously, we don't have all the facts. The NCAA and Mark Emmert do have all the facts,†Chizik told ESPN on Monday. “That's one things I learned going through what we went through, is that there's a lot of outside opinion that look one way, but until you have all the information, you don't know.â€
As for his advice for new Penn State coach Bill O'Brien, Chizik said crisis management will be a big part of what the staff must do in the coming days and weeks.
“He's going to have to have a plan,†Chizik said. “It's crisis mode. He's going to have to sit down with his staff and figure out where to go from here. The first thing they have to do is re-recruit their own football team.â€
Chizik also touched on his own team. Auburn is coming off an 8-5 campaign and faces a major overhaul on offense with the departure of offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn and leading rusher Michael Dyer.
New offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler was brought in to reshape Tigers. Chizik said Loeffler not only brings extensive experience as a quarterbacks coach, but also a run-first mentality.
“Conceptually, as the head coach, I want to run the football at Auburn,†Chizik said. “And we found different ways to do that over the years. That's kind of where Scot Loeffler came from. He came from Michigan, he was with Lloyd Carr and that was kind of their mindset back then.
“He was Tim Tebow's coach at Florida for a couple of years, so he's got a little bit of what we've done in the previous three years in his background as well. We're going to do a little bit of everything, but we do have a very concise concept and a tight-knit idea of exactly what we want to do.â€
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Here's another example that I had forgotten about - and while not on serial pedo levels, this was a MURDER case - still heinous.
Exactly. People aren't really thinking about the implication that this decision has on future cases. The NCAA has now set precedent for itself. Even if a violation of bylaws was not committed, if they don't like what happened, they can try to strongarm you into something. And if you fight it, God help you down the road if a different violation really does come up. There have been times before where something that probably should be a violation came up, but wasn't in the bylaws. I've always applauded the NCAA for doing the right thing in those cases and realizing there is no bylaw that covers the situation, and no action is taken. Then they put it into the bylaws the following year. But this is a complete 180 from that. While I understand that what happened at PSU is absolutely horrible, it doesn't make it OK for the NCAA to go about it the way that they did in my opinion.
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Let's look at this year by year.
98 and 99
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=1995
00-04
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=2000
05-09
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=2005
10-11
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=2010
Looks like 111 wins that go bye bye and not a one of them anyone will really care about.
The Paterno family cares, that is the only reason they did it was to take the wins away from Joe.
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Exactly. People aren't really thinking about the implication that this decision has on future cases. The NCAA has now set precedent for itself. Even if a violation of bylaws was not committed, if they don't like what happened, they can try to strongarm you into something. And if you fight it, God help you down the road if a different violation really does come up. There have been times before where something that probably should be a violation came up, but wasn't in the bylaws. I've always applauded the NCAA for doing the right thing in those cases and realizing there is no bylaw that covers the situation, and no action is taken. Then they put it into the bylaws the following year. But this is a complete 180 from that. While I understand that what happened at PSU is absolutely horrible, it doesn't make it OK for the NCAA to go about it the way that they did in my opinion.
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Did you miss the part where PSU consented to this? That's what allowed this penalty to happen. Hearing you or any other Bammer start refencing NCAA rules and bylaws is like getting advice to quit drinking from an alcoholic.
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Did you miss the part where PSU consented to this? That's what allowed this penalty to happen. Hearing you or any other Bammer start refencing NCAA rules and bylaws is like getting advice to quit drinking from an alcoholic.
I didn't miss that part at all. What choice did they have? If they try to fight it, they are going to be further bastardized in the media and public opinion, and it will be a PR nightmare. PSU wants this done and over with. Plus, if they did not consent to this, I can imagine that the NCAA would be licking their chops for when PSU actually did commit a violation down the road. The NCAA doesn't forget. The only reason that they didn't get the real death penalty is because they wouldn't consent to it, and the NCAA knows that they can't impose it otherwise.
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They would've been better off voluntarily taking the Death Penalty starting with the 2013 season, for two years. Everyone keeps talking about how it destoryed SMU and that they haven't been the same since. Really? Think about it. The only reason why SMU was so â€good†in the first place was due to cheating, what were they before the cheating started? Texas & Texas A&M's bitch that's what (this was because UT & A&M were cheating first, along with OU...but that's beside the point). The point is, SMU went back to what they were before the cheating started, which is what was suppose to happen.
The Old Death Penalty would be devastating, just like this will be (PSU will become a D I-AA University starting with the 2013 season, their max scholarship numbers? 63...two shy of PSU's 65 starting with the '13 season)...also, they can only bring in 15 total (provided that the number they bring in isn't more than their 65 limit).
AND....this will continue for FOUR YEARS. Multiply that by 2 maybe 3, that's how long it'll take to fully recover, if it ever does.
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They would've been better off voluntarily taking the Death Penalty starting with the 2013 season, for two years. Everyone keeps talking about how it destoryed SMU and that they haven't been the same since. Really? Think about it. The only reason why SMU was so â€good†in the first place was due to cheating, what were they before the cheating started? Texas & Texas A&M's bitch that's what (this was because UT & A&M were cheating first, along with OU...but that's beside the point). The point is, SMU went back to what they were before the cheating started, which is what was suppose to happen.
Yeah, but PSU wasn't giving improper benefits to players or anything, so I'm not really seeing the comparison. PSU didn't get the wins by cheating. It's strictly punitive, and isn't a "leveling the playing field" type move as it was against SMU. Sure, this will have the same effect as it did on SMU, but the penalties were given for two completely different reasons.
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Dickhead, there are 3 sure fire ways to guarantee this type of punishment never finds its way to your school. They are:
1. Don't pay your players (SMU)
2. Don't let your coaches fuck little kids within the athletic complex. If they do, go straight to the police and don't try to cover up the crime. (PSU)
and
3. Remember that a school is an institution of learning first. Don't let the Coach have more power than anyone else on campus, and don't worship the guy like he's some kind of god. (Y'all may want to check your six in this regard. I'm not saying, I'm just saying)
Ensure these 3 things are in check, and you should be pretty safe from sanctions. Fuck around and let any (or all 3 of these things to happen), then you deserve whatever you get.
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Yeah, but PSU wasn't giving improper benefits to players or anything, so I'm not really seeing the comparison. PSU didn't get the wins by cheating. It's strictly punitive, and isn't a "leveling the playing field" type move as it was against SMU. Sure, this will have the same effect as it did on SMU, but the penalties were given for two completely different reasons.
I wasn't comparing the violations between SMU & PSU, dumbass. I just stated how everyone says that the â€Death Penalty†will never be handed down again, because look what it did to SMU. That's nearly word for word what's said after anyone mentions â€Double Penetrationâ€. It didn't crush SMU, it straightened them out...they don't cheat like they once did and they were back to what they once were, a few years after restarting the program back up (hint: a nobody).
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I wasn't comparing the violations between SMU & PSU, dumbass. I just stated how everyone says that the â€Death Penalty†will never be handed down again, because look what it did to SMU. That's nearly word for word what's said after anyone mentions â€Double Penetrationâ€. It didn't crush SMU, it straightened them out...they don't cheat like they once did and they were back to what they once were, a few years after restarting the program back up (hint: a nobody).
I'm not sure how well you remember that time. That entire conference was dirty as fuck from head to toe. It is pretty well accepted that the penalties SMU received could have just as easily been handed down to half the teams in the SWC. Baylor was cheating like hell for Christ's sake.
BAYLOR!
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I'm not sure how well you remember that time. That entire conference was dirty as fuck from head to toe. It is pretty well accepted that the penalties SMU received could have just as easily been handed down to half the teams in the SWC. Baylor was cheating like hell for Christ's sake.
Never thought about it but in some sort of twisted way, yes, they were.
Nice work.
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I'm not sure how well you remember that time. That entire conference was dirty as fuck from head to toe. It is pretty well accepted that the penalties SMU received could have just as easily been handed down to half the teams in the SWC. Baylor was cheating like hell for Christ's sake.
BAYLOR!
Texas and Arky were dirty as hell too. It seemed like more a case of SMU's Oil Boosters were shelling out more than theirs were. Sour grapes. SMU had an official fucking payroll for their players and were not even trying to hide it. They took it to another level, were warned twice and still kept cheating. A program reset was the only option.
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Never thought about it but in some sort of twisted way, yes, they were.
Nice work.
I see what you did there. A rare nice hustle from Sensible...
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I see what you did there. A rare nice hustle from Sensible...
The last time he hustled that well it involved you not getting a gift card.
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The last time he hustled that well it involved you not getting a gift card.
"BOOM" goes the dynamite!