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Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II

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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2009, 12:19:13 PM »
Actually architects have been providing less and less information, they are still considered blueprints.

Ask Sani

Semantics, but okay.

Some blueprints suck. 

"I have a blueprint" is not enough.  Particularly when said blueprint has been previously put into use and the house collapsed.  Sure.  Blame the nails. Blame the boards, they were warped.  Blame the ground prep. Blame the plumbers. Blame the roofers. Blame anybody you want.  Still your blueprint. Still collapsed.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2009, 01:03:57 PM »
Semantics, but okay.

Some blueprints suck. 

"I have a blueprint" is not enough.  Particularly when said blueprint has been previously put into use and the house collapsed.  Sure.  Blame the nails. Blame the boards, they were warped.  Blame the ground prep. Blame the plumbers. Blame the roofers. Blame anybody you want.  Still your blueprint. Still collapsed.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2009, 01:05:30 PM »
Semantics, but okay.

Some blueprints suck. 

"I have a blueprint" is not enough.  Particularly when said blueprint has been previously put into use and the house collapsed.  Sure.  Blame the nails. Blame the boards, they were warped.  Blame the ground prep. Blame the plumbers. Blame the roofers. Blame anybody you want.  Still your blueprint. Still collapsed.
Actually I'd blame the contractor...it would be his dumbass fault.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2009, 01:10:03 PM »
Actually I'd blame the contractor...it would be his dumbass fault.
He should be offered an extension.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2009, 01:17:39 PM »
He should be offered an extension....

...cord with which to hang himself.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2009, 06:55:59 PM »
Are you truly this ignorant?  Seriously?

Duh.

After winning records in five of the six previous seasons, McCarney's 2006 team struggled to a 4-8 record. It was a young team, learning the ropes.

For clarification purposes, here's Dan McCarney's records in his 6 years previous to his wonderful '06 season.... :sad:

2000 Iowa State 9-3 (winning record)
2001 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
2002 Iowa State 7-7 (not a winning record)
2003 Iowa State 2-10 (not a winning record)
2004 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
2005 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
That's winning records in four of the previous six.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2009, 07:55:09 PM »
For clarification purposes, here's Dan McCarney's records in his 6 years previous to his wonderful '06 season.... :sad:

2000 Iowa State 9-3 (winning record)
2001 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
2002 Iowa State 7-7 (not a winning record)
2003 Iowa State 2-10 (not a winning record)
2004 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
2005 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
That's winning records in four of the previous six.
7-7 is a breakout year.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2009, 08:01:35 PM »
For clarification purposes, here's Dan McCarney's records in his 6 years previous to his wonderful '06 season.... :sad:

2000 Iowa State 9-3 (winning record)
2001 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
2002 Iowa State 7-7 (not a winning record)
2003 Iowa State 2-10 (not a winning record)
2004 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
2005 Iowa State 7-5 (winning record)
That's winning records in four of the previous six.

if you want to paint a true picture why don't you show where they were BEFORE McCarney.

You know, the same place Blueprint Gene was driving them.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2009, 11:07:53 PM »
Coach Jim Walden:
1987 Iowa State 3-8
1988 Iowa State 5-6
1989 Iowa State 6-5
1990 Iowa State 4-6-1
1991 Iowa State 3-7-1
1992 Iowa State 4-7
1993 Iowa State 3-8
1994 Iowa State 0-10-1

Coach Dan McCarney:
1995 Iowa State 3-8
1996 Iowa State 2-9
1997 Iowa State 1-10
1998 Iowa State 3-8
1999 Iowa State 4-7
2000 Iowa State 9-3 (Sage Rosenfels' Senior year)
2001 Iowa State 7-5 (Seneca Wallace's Junior year)
2002 Iowa State 7-7 (Seneca Wallace's Senior year)
2003 Iowa State 2-10
2004 Iowa State 7-5
2005 Iowa State 7-5
2006 Iowa State 4-8

If ya didn't know, Seneca Wallace was the Iowa State offense....much like Burner Turner was to Northern Illinois.

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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2009, 11:24:26 PM »
Coach Jim Walden:
1987 Iowa State 3-8
1988 Iowa State 5-6
1989 Iowa State 6-5
1990 Iowa State 4-6-1
1991 Iowa State 3-7-1
1992 Iowa State 4-7
1993 Iowa State 3-8
1994 Iowa State 0-10-1

Coach Dan McCarney:
1995 Iowa State 3-8
1996 Iowa State 2-9
1997 Iowa State 1-10
1998 Iowa State 3-8
1999 Iowa State 4-7
2000 Iowa State 9-3 (Sage Rosenfels' Senior year)
2001 Iowa State 7-5 (Seneca Wallace's Junior year)
2002 Iowa State 7-7 (Seneca Wallace's Senior year)
2003 Iowa State 2-10
2004 Iowa State 7-5
2005 Iowa State 7-5
2006 Iowa State 4-8
I think that settles it...ISU sucks.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2009, 11:26:44 PM »
I think that settles it...ISU sucks.
Only 1 winning coach in the past 80 years!
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2009, 11:32:13 PM »
Na...clearly Kaos knows better. Facts be damned.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2009, 11:32:33 PM »
Only 1 winning coach in the past 80 years!


Seriously.  The numbers don't lie.  Step back and take this in....80 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!

Football in Ames, Iowa is a fucking JOKE.  It has been since your great, great, great, great, GREAT Grandpappy was on the Mayflower.  
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2009, 11:39:53 PM »
Football in Ames, Iowa is a fucking JOKE.    
And we took their fucking punchline.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2009, 01:05:07 AM »
And we took their effing punchline.

maybe they took ours, that being coach rhoads.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2009, 08:00:26 AM »
Na...clearly Kaos knows better. Facts be damned.

the FACTS, mr. Nozzle, are that McCarney had the program headed in the right direction. Reversed decades of futility and had winning seasons and bowl invites.

That may have been as good as that program could do.

But the AD got a case of the fancy pants and wanted more.

Out with McCarney in with Cliche McBlueprint.

Back into the abyss. Deeper than before. 

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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2009, 08:49:53 AM »
maybe they took ours, that being coach rhoads.
I think Rhoades can get them to at least 5 wins this season.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2009, 08:57:44 AM »
the FACTS, mr. Nozzle, are that McCarney had the program headed in the right direction.

Yeah...in 2000, then again in 2004 and 2005 with back to back winning seasons.  Another 20 years or so and he would have screamed out to a .500 record there.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2009, 08:59:39 AM »
the FACTS, mr. Nozzle, are that McCarney had the program headed in the right direction. Reversed decades of futility and had winning seasons and bowl invites.

That may have been as good as that program could do.

But the AD got a case of the fancy pants and wanted more.

Out with McCarney in with Cliche McBlueprint.

Back into the abyss. Deeper than before. 


Nothing but re-hash of the same ignorance to the facts.  I'm seeing a trend.

You sir, are hopeless.
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Re: Kickin' it with Coach Chizik....Part II
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2009, 09:32:13 AM »
Are you truly this ignorant?  Seriously?

More crap.

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There is only one worse athletic director in college football than Jamie Pollard.   Only one.  Congratulations.  We have him.

So, you agree he's a horrible AD...  okay.  

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Are you so dense you don't understand that coaching contracts are essentially worthless?
More crap.

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Why do you offer somebody a two-year contract when you know they are not the answer and will be FIRED after another season like the one they just had?  It's called recruiting, Chopper.  If you don't have something on the table, it's hard for a guy to recruit against coaches that are seen as established.  How would Chizik have gone into some kid's house and told them "I'll be here for the next four years, Mrs. Corncob, don't worry about your son" when ISU refused to give him that vote of confidence?  Did Ole Miss give David Cutcliffe a huge extension and then fire him a year later?  Damn straight.  Did Alabama lock Mike Shula up with a hefty raise and a long-term extension and fire him the next winter? Yep.  Same thing with DuBose.  How many years did Tuberville have left on his contract, Chopper?

Congrats genius.  You've now successfully covered yourself and justified giving contract extensions for when times are shit, as well as when they're good.  You can now always have a reason for a contract extension.  You're good.  Real good.  
 

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Dan McCarney did not "resign" of his own volition. Pollard forced him out because he thought the program was on the verge of turning the corner and didn't think McCarney could take it there.

After winning records in five of the six previous seasons, McCarney's 2006 team struggled to a 4-8 record.

It was a young team, learning the ropes.He wanted to do "better." He thought it was ready to compete for the Big 12 North title.  And it probably was until they brought Captain Blueprint in.

If he didn't leave on his own, was he offered a contract extension?  I mean, by your lines of thinking, he must have been due a ten year extension.  He was the savior of the program to that point.  He was taking it in the right direction and had them winning bowl game after bowl game.  
  

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Nobody else talks about a fucking Blueprint.  Chizik talked big about his when he got to ISU.  Five wins (none of any significance) and nineteen losses later, that team wasn't getting better.  It got progressively worse day by day.  There's your blueprint.  

Yes, having a "blueprint", or plan is exclusive to Chizik.  No other coach says this, or does this going into rebuilding projects or new surroundings.  You focus too much on the term, and it's not serving your argument.

Thus, it comes down to the point that neither one of us is going to agree on, and that's the resources and circumstances Chizik finds himself in here as opposed to ISU.  You can call me every colorful animal, or stupid, or anything else, but I just do NOT find it to be the same in the least.  Funny thing is, I'm the ONLY one here between the two of us who actually has lived, or lived next two BOTH locations and could give first hand knowledge, but you think you seem to know better anyway.  You can argue, bitch and moan, explain, make up and fabricate ALLL you want, but it doesn't make Auburn University and Iowa State the same situation.  It just doesn't.  Period.
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