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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2009, 05:38:20 PM »
The biggest key of all is a good freaking steak of course. If you have that then you don't have to woory too much about your marinade. We will use dale's from time to time and sometimes I'll just marinate a few minutes before cooking.

The key is to get your grill hot and sear the steaks very well. If you have an inch cut or so and the grill is hot it doesn't take long at all. 3-5 minutes per side or a tiny bit more if you like a medium. The key is searing them up to lock in the juices.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2009, 06:10:15 PM »

By the way, I don't recommend the advice of trying to "seer in the juices" as some like to suggest.  It doesn't really work.  It only adds to the charring of the exterior which does potentially add flavor,

i agree.  i mentioned searing on page 1 but failed to say "to get a little char" for flavor.  my dad is known to char-blacken the shit out of both sides only to cut a rare steak.

the one thing i do different than you is adjust the heat to medium or medium-high for remaining time of cooking.  i still cook a tender, moist steak.

as an added bonus i like walla walla (west coast vidalia) onions and mushroom wrapped in al+ foil on the grill.  i'll put seasoning and olive oil with it.       
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2009, 06:17:04 PM »

I like my steaks to be closer to Capital Grille or Morton's quality, so I use thicker cuts and cook with a much higher heat.  Thickness should be 1 3/4 to 2 inches or larger if possible...  Anything less than an inch is difficult to cook evenly. 


i don't disagree with you regarding steak thickness on the tender cuts.  i wish i could do that but when purchasing a 1/4 side of steer, i have them cut @ 3/4" to make more steaks.  more economical for my family.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2009, 06:24:36 PM »
The key to a good "less than Prime" quality steak is to pour A-1 Bold and Spicy on it.  If you like things spicy you will love it
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2009, 06:27:10 PM »
The key to a good "less than Prime" quality steak is to pour A-1 Bold and Spicy on it.  If you like things spicy you will love it

You sir, need to get your priorities in order.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2009, 06:35:23 AM »
The key to a good "less than Prime" quality steak is to pour A-1 Bold and Spicy on it.  If you like things spicy you will love it

Yeah...  And, I suppose when steak is not available, any horse or large dog will grill up just as good.  Feline fillets tend to fall through the grates. 

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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2009, 07:43:05 AM »
Yeah...  And, I suppose when steak is not available, any horse or large dog will grill up just as good.  Feline fillets tend to fall through the grates. 

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You know when you want a good steak you can shove your ass up a cow's ass but wouldn't you rather just ask the butcher?
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2009, 12:39:43 PM »
You know when you want a good steak you can shove your ass up a cow's ass but wouldn't you rather just ask the butcher?
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2009, 12:45:59 PM »
You sir, need to get your priorities in order.

I usually buy a Porterhouse or Fillet from the local butcher, I was just trying to help those that must buy their steaks from Winn Dixie or Food World.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2009, 12:47:07 PM »
I usually buy a Porterhouse or Fillet from the local butcher, I was just trying to help those that must buy their steaks from Winn Dixie or Food World.
Looking out for the little people.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2009, 01:03:19 PM »
Looking out for the little people.

That's how I roll
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2009, 09:04:15 AM »
Looking out for the little people.

That leaves you out, Lunchbox.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2009, 10:43:27 AM »
I usually buy a Porterhouse or Fillet from the local butcher, I was just trying to help those that must buy their steaks from Winn Dixie or Food World.

Have kids, bitch. Then we'll talk.

The finer things in life seem to become few and far between. And you become so tired that it's worth it every now and then to pay $50+ each at a place like CHOPS rather than work harder for the good stuff in your own backyard.

Besides, we have Kroger and Publix. Winn Dixie ran away.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2009, 02:23:17 PM »
That leaves you out, Lunchbox.
Did you say lunch?:rofl:
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2009, 11:15:24 PM »
The results -

I went to the store to buy charcoal and I noticed charcoal made from wood.  It seemed like a good idea at first; the wood would produce a more natural smoke.  It was considered "greener" for the libzians.  It also claimed on the bag that they burned hotter than other charcoal.  Well they weren't fucking kidding.   The coals got so hot and so red and so happy with gigantic flames, that I couldn't stand three feet from the grill without my face and hands burning.  I figured this was way too hot, so I busted out the water bottle. 

I poked holes in the top of the bottle to create a spray effect.  I doused the coals off and on for a few minutes.  The red coal and blue flames kept making valiant comebacks.   Eventually, the coal cooled off enough for me to put the damn grate on top of the coals. 

Back to the steak - I generously seasoned one side of the steak with cumin, chili powder, salt, pepper, fresh garlic (crushed and rubbed on), thyme, and freshly ground coriander.  This was my own variation of some mexican dry rub recipe I had found on the internet.  It smelled delicious. 

By the time I got around to putting the steak on, the coals had definitely calmed down.  It still felt hot, so I was fairly confident that this steak was going to turn out good.  I placed most of the coals to one side of the grill because I heard Bobby Flay say the best way to cook a steak is with indirect heat on the grill. 

When I put the steak on the hot side to sear it, I expected to hear a sizzle.  There was no sizzle.  I expected to only keep it on the hot side for a minute before burning.  There was no burning.  There weren't any juices being trapped in the steak.  It was going horribly wrong. 

I let the steak sit on the "hot" side of the grill with two kabobs.  They all cooked for about twenty minutes total.  Eventually, I had a thick piece of well-done meat.  My wife was expecting medium.  The dry rub tasted good, but the dry steak was lackluster.  Luckily, the vegetable kabobs added some much needed moisture and flavor to the steaks. 

What I learned -

1.  Don't use wood charcoal.  It burns too hot and it shoots sparks at you. 
2.  Don't use a starter log to light the coal.  Go buy lighter fluid when you've realized you don't have any.
3.  Even though Smoky Mountain Chalets and Cabins provided the grill, don't use it on the wooden deck of your wooden cabin that's surrounded by trees.  If it weren't for the rain that had fallen all day, I don't know what I would have done about that red coal that bounced off the deck when I was moving the coals around in the grill. 

The End. 

By the way, I think it'd be cool to have a culinary section on the board.  I know tigersdroppings does it. 
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2009, 11:25:59 PM »
The biggest thing to remember when using charcoal or wood chips is to light the shit then let it burn down until it is ONLY embers/coals.  In the melee to dole out advice we all neglected that fine point.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2009, 12:16:13 AM »
I think you're learning in the right direction, 'townhallsavoy'; especially utilizing a dry seasoning.  As much as I like Dale's Seasoning myself, it has too much MSG in it which can overwhelm the palate (I think someone alluded to this in an earlier post) with anything longer than the briefest of marination times.  For your dry seasoning recipe I'd tell you to use real Kosher salt in it (not Morton's or a store brand of boxed table salt).

And the only other suggestion I'd add is for you to consider enjoying a great cigar after your steak; and maybe one while you're cooking it too along with whatever adult beverage you prefer (as suggested by Birdman too).  As to cigars: Partagas and Trinidad come to mind as enjoyable and complimentary to a good steak.

Anyway, just my belated 2 cents for next time.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2009, 04:40:55 AM »
Town, my best advice use Kingsford matchlight or buy a gas grill. A mixture of Italian dressing and Worcestershire sause is a great basting sauce to brush your steaks to keep them moist while bringing them up to temp.
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Re: Gentlemen, Start Your Steaks
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2009, 08:56:05 AM »
fresh garlic (crushed and rubbed on)

Good man.
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