AL.com's Pre-Season All SEC Defense

wesfau2 · « **on:** June 18, 2018, 05:55:49 PM »

NOT.
ONE.
FIRST.
TEAM.
AUBURN.
DL.

Russell and Brown are 2nd team. DeShaun Davis the only other Auburn mention (2nd Team LB).

Laughable.

https://www.al.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/06/b957342fc39790/meet_the_72nd_annual_preseason.html

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2018, 06:25:15 PM »

Kevin Steele had 70 put on him.

The Prowler · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2018, 09:13:22 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 18, 2018, 05:55:49 PM

NOT.
ONE.
FIRST.
TEAM.
AUBURN.
DL.

Russell and Brown are 2nd team. DeShaun Davis the only other Auburn mention (2nd Team LB).

Laughable.

https://www.al.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/06/b957342fc39790/meet_the_72nd_annual_preseason.html

Comparing Auburn's #s with Alabama's on Defense...Auburn has 3 among the list. Alabama has 2. #Boom

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2018, 08:59:54 AM »

Color me seriously shocked. Only 1 bammer DL on the 1st team? I fully expected to read names of their freshmen DL and LB that I have never heard before on this list. Did somebody stop providing the kool aid?

Godfather · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2018, 10:16:16 AM »

The offense doesn't surprise me. Lack of people named on defense does.

I think this will be the best defense Auburn has had since Thomas Tuberville roamed the plains.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2018, 10:56:44 AM »

Quote from: Godfather on June 19, 2018, 10:16:16 AM

The offense doesn't surprise me. Lack of people named on defense does.

I think this will be the best defense Auburn has had since Thomas Tuberville roamed the plains.

You misspelled Terry Bowden

The Prowler · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2018, 06:06:02 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on June 19, 2018, 10:16:16 AM

The offense doesn't surprise me. Lack of people named on defense does.

I think this will be the best defense Auburn has had since Thomas Tuberville roamed the plains.

IMO they'll resemble "The Nasty Boys" of '04.

jmar · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2018, 08:45:42 PM »

What excites me is the plug and play depth of our front seven. We truly have quality reserves without any obvious dropoff.
No worries on this side of the ball, not even the DB's. We will overcome any number deficiencies there with talent and damn fine coaching.

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2018, 09:45:47 PM »

Quote from: jmar on June 19, 2018, 08:45:42 PM

What excites me is the plug and play depth of our front seven. We truly have quality reserves without any obvious dropoff.
No worries on this side of the ball, not even the DB's. We will overcome any number deficiencies there with talent and damn fine coaching.

Now I remember you. You are the guy that believes that we can never have enough cornerbacks.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2018, 10:27:29 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on June 19, 2018, 06:06:02 PM

IMO they'll resemble "The Nasty Boys" of '04.

Troof!

wesfau2 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:20:57 AM »

Still salty about the disrespect in this list.

Especially after reading this about Javaris Davis:

Opposing quarterbacks had just a 44.2 passer rating when targeting Davis last season, which ranked fourth in the SEC, according to PFF. Among 30 qualifying corners, he also ranked first in the league in yards allowed per snap in coverage (0.50) and yards after catch allowed (17), and was 11^th in coverage snaps per receptions allowed (13). In regard to the yards allowed after the catch, Davis never allowed more than 5 yards total after the catch in a single game last season, according to PFF, including eight games with 1 or fewer yards allowed post-catch.

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2018/07/auburn_mvp_10_javaris_davis.html#incart_river_index

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2018, 12:51:56 PM »

Here's a little love for Javaris. I know watch lists don't mean a ton but at least they're recognizing this guy's work. Snippet from the dot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.

Two Auburn defenders were among the 85 players to be named to the Bednarik Award watch list.
Defensive tackle Dontavius Russell and cornerback Javaris Davis were among those recognized on the preseason watch list for the award, which has never been won by an Auburn player and is presented annually to the nation's top defensive player.
Russell had 46 tackles with 6.5 for loss including three sacks as a redshirt-junior and Davis had 29 tackles with six pass breakups, two interceptions and forced a fumble last season.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2018, 10:45:22 PM »

Was reading Deshaun Davis's praise for the DLine and caught this nugget. No way this is true...is it???

The addition of Moultry should complement the returning starters -- Russell, Brown and Davidson -- up front from a unit that helped produce the program's best defense since 2008.

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2018/07/auburn_nations_best_dl.html#incart_river_index

I've managed to forget most of '08 and '12 for obvious reasons, but surely we had a defense in the last ten years that was better than '08???

I remember there being a lot of talent and the narrative being that the D got tired of holding the line ($1 to Dave Paich), but were they statistically better than any other D Auburn fielded between then and '17?

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2018, 11:12:54 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on July 21, 2018, 10:45:22 PM

Was reading Deshaun Davis's praise for the DLine and caught this nugget. No way this is true...is it???

The addition of Moultry should complement the returning starters -- Russell, Brown and Davidson -- up front from a unit that helped produce the program's best defense since 2008.

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2018/07/auburn_nations_best_dl.html#incart_river_index

I've managed to forget most of '08 and '12 for obvious reasons, but surely we had a defense in the last ten years that was better than '08???

I remember there being a lot of talent and the narrative being that the D got tired of holding the line ($1 to Dave Paich), but were they statistically better than any other D Auburn fielded between then and '17?

The deal is, until we hired Steele, there wasn't a D that held a candle to anything Tuberville put on the field. Not even close. Not even in the 2010 championship year, or the 2013 seconds away from MNC year. Our D has sucked balls since CTT left..until Steele got here. Yes, it's been 10+ years since Auburn put a legit D on the field. Now, the "experts", are saying the D should keep them in games until the O-line gels. Suddenly, our defense is keeping opposing offenses in the teens, on average.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2018, 12:46:19 AM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on July 21, 2018, 11:12:54 PM

The deal is, until we hired Steele, there wasn't a D that held a candle to anything Tuberville put on the field. Not even close. Not even in the 2010 championship year, or the 2013 seconds away from MNC year. Our D has sucked balls since CTT left..until Steele got here. Yes, it's been 10+ years since Auburn put a legit D on the field. Now, the "experts", are saying the D should keep them in games until the O-line gels. Suddenly, our defense is keeping opposing offenses in the teens, on average.

Let's compare Total O to Total D since 2008:

Year Total O Rank Total D Rank Final Record
2008 105 26 (5-7)
2009 16 82 (8-5...Outback Bowl Win)
2010 3 94 (14-0...BCSNC)
2011 91 91 (8-5...Chick-Fil-A Bowl Win)
2012 117 64 (3-9)
2013 7 115 (12-2...SEC Champ)
2014 17 58 (8-5....Outback Bowl Loss)
2015 80 85 (7-6...Bham Bowl Win)
2016 43 18 (8-5...Sugar Bowl Loss)
2017 15 25 (10-4...Chick-Fil-A Loss/SECW Champs)

I don't know that you can take much from this except that (under Gus) offense wins championships (or at least it warms the cockles of my heart), contrary to popular opinion. A great defense with a stalling, inept offense won't do shit for you. Just ask Will Muschamp's Gaytors. The best of both worlds is the trend in the last two years where Steele shores up the D (two top-25 finishes ain't shabby) and the O gets its collective shit together.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #15 on:** July 22, 2018, 01:09:01 AM »

The bottom line is D. We've sucked since CTT until Steele got here. No matter the offense. Steele put us on sub 20 a game D. No way you win championships without it. Steele has us there. Need an O-Line.

The Six · « **Reply #16 on:** July 22, 2018, 01:14:40 PM »

I got curious so I looked up the Total Offense and Total Defense rankings of the last 10 national champions.

https://www.sports-reference.com

YEAR	TEAM	TOTAL O	TOTAL D
2008	FLORIDA	4	4
2009	ALABAMA	21	2
2010	AUBURN	7	53
2011	ALABAMA	20	1
2012	ALABAMA	12	1
2013	FLORIDA STATE	1	2
2014	OHIO STATE	5	26
2015	ALABAMA	30	2
2016	CLEMSON	14	10
2017	ALABAMA	29	1

Conclusion: It is great to have a great offense, but you really need a top 10 defense to win it all.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2018, 09:08:47 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on July 22, 2018, 12:46:19 AM

Let's compare Total O to Total D since 2008:

Year Total O Rank Total D Rank Final Record
2008 105 26 (5-7)
2009 16 82 (8-5...Outback Bowl Win)
2010 3 94 (14-0...BCSNC)
2011 91 91 (8-5...Chick-Fil-A Bowl Win)
2012 117 64 (3-9)
2013 7 115 (12-2...SEC Champ)
2014 17 58 (8-5....Outback Bowl Loss)
2015 80 85 (7-6...Bham Bowl Win)
2016 43 18 (8-5...Sugar Bowl Loss)
2017 15 25 (10-4...Chick-Fil-A Loss/SECW Champs)

I don't know that you can take much from this except that (under Gus) offense wins championships (or at least it warms the roosterles of my heart), contrary to popular opinion. A great defense with a stalling, inept offense won't do shoot for you. Just ask Will Muschamp's Gaytors. The best of both worlds is the trend in the last two years where Steele shores up the D (two top-25 finishes ain't shabby) and the O gets its collective shoot together.

I remember 2008 better, because there was a kick ass D on the field for approximately 84.239% of the games.
I remember almost nothing from 2012, because the beer, whiskey and meade took over my brain that season.

The biggest difference I can take from those 2 was that the '08 team won in Starkville with only a field goal and the defense didn't make it as close as it actually was...

wesfau2 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2018, 09:36:02 AM »

Quote from: The Six on July 22, 2018, 01:14:40 PM

Conclusion: It is great to have a great offense, but you really need a top 10 defense to win it all.

That's why I qualified with "(under Gus) offense wins championships."

He's an outlier in that respect because he got us to the big game, and within :03 of the crystal, with the 115th ranked defense. Won it all with a D in the ranked in the 90s.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2018, 10:04:52 AM »

2010 was a strange year defensively. Everybody on that front 7 was a senior with the exception of Nick Fairley, who was the most disruptive player in the game that year. But, they still gave up 30+ four or five times. They somehow just knew how to turn it on when it counted. I still remember several games, like Clemson, USCe & Bama where the coaches were quoted as saying they really didn't have to do much of anything in those games. The players just stayed calm and talked to each other about what they had to do. Then, went out and executed.