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Honesty Check
« on: May 18, 2016, 07:19:26 PM »
Does your vote change if you consider that our system doesn't operate in a vacuum...that is, we have the middle east, Russia, China and North Korea to handle while we sort this shit out.
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
I would love to vote for a 3rd party and it be a meaningful vote.  Best case scenario in my opinion is for Trump to win popular but lose electoral college to Hillary. Although that has happened before, it would be a huge deal this time because the media would play it up harder.  They want riots, they want a divided nation.  That is about the only way the two party system falls.
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2016, 12:58:34 PM »
The system is what it is and how it's always been.  On my ballot I will have Trump, Hillary, and Johnson.  I will vote for Johnson.  Alabama is going to go Trump by an overwhelming majority.  I have the choice of using my vote to say "Hell no, no more unqualified candidates!".   It won't make much difference, but at the end of the day I don't have to say, "I voted for the lesser of two evils".   If you go that route, you are still voting for evil. 
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2016, 01:34:21 PM »
The system is what it is and how it's always been.  On my ballot I will have Trump, Hillary, and Johnson.  I will vote for Johnson.  Alabama is going to go Trump by an overwhelming majority.  I have the choice of using my vote to say "Hell no, no more unqualified candidates!".   It won't make much difference, but at the end of the day I don't have to say, "I voted for the lesser of two evils".   If you go that route, you are still voting for evil.

And really it just sanctimonious at that time. You can look back, beat your chest, and feel proud. But by your own admission, you took no risk at all.

In this election, you either vote FOR or AGAINST hitlary. There is no sanctimonious option.

The emergence of Trump has already shaken up the system. There are those form both parties voting for him.

His choice to run as a republican shows just how far left the dims are. So it seems, most folks are preferring a more middle option. And really, isn't that what the third party has wanted for a long time? No fringe.
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2016, 01:40:38 PM »
And really it just sanctimonious at that time. You can look back, beat your chest, and feel proud. But by your own admission, you took no risk at all.

In this election, you either vote FOR or AGAINST hitlary. There is no sanctimonious option.

The emergence of Trump has already shaken up the system. There are those form both parties voting for him.

His choice to run as a republican shows just how far left the dims are. So it seems, most folks are preferring a more middle option. And really, isn't that what the third party has wanted for a long time? No fringe.

What you always seem to miss is the fact that I can vote for the candidate that I align with most ideally.  I align with neither Trump nor Hillary, neither get my vote.  It's my vote and I will do with it what makes me feel the best. 

I fail to see how I am being sanctimonious by voting with my conscious.  Pretty arrogant of you to tell me that I am wasting my vote or throwing it away.  In this election it's not you vote for Hillary or against Hillary.  It's not you vote for Trump or against Trump.  As in all elections, it's you vote for the candidate you like best and it's been that way since the system was put in place.
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It isn't that liberals are ignorant. It's just they know so much that isn't so. --Ronald Reagan

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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2016, 01:42:39 PM »
What you always seem to miss is the fact that I can vote for the candidate that I align with most ideally.  I align with neither Trump nor Hillary, neither get my vote.  It's my vote and I will do with it what makes me feel the best. 

I fail to see how I am being sanctimonious by voting with my conscious.  Pretty arrogant of you to tell me that I am wasting my vote or throwing it away.  In this election it's not you vote for Hillary or against Hillary.  It's not you vote for Trump or against Trump.  As in all elections, it's you vote for the candidate you like best and it's been that way since the system was put in place.

I think it's sad that Gary Johnson is the best a 3rd party can drum up. I no more align with him on most things than the other two. Sorry but open borders is a biggie to me.
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2016, 02:04:28 PM »
I think it's sad that Gary Johnson is the best a 3rd party can drum up. I no more align with him on most things than the other two. Sorry but open borders is a biggie to me.

I am not with him 100% either.  He has several flaws as a candidate, but between Trump, Hillary and Johnson, I will go with Johnson everyday.  I have seen Hillary in Congress and Sec of State, I have no proof that Trump can govern, but Johnson was very successful in NM as Gov.  Between those choices, again,  I will take Johnson.

It's a damn shame that Rand Paul couldn't gain on his momentum from last spring and summer and build off his dad's grass roots organization.  That is who I wanted. 
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It isn't that liberals are ignorant. It's just they know so much that isn't so. --Ronald Reagan

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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2016, 02:06:49 PM »
What you always seem to miss is the fact that I can vote for the candidate that I align with most ideally.  I align with neither Trump nor Hillary, neither get my vote.  It's my vote and I will do with it what makes me feel the best. 

I fail to see how I am being sanctimonious by voting with my conscious.  Pretty arrogant of you to tell me that I am wasting my vote or throwing it away.  In this election it's not you vote for Hillary or against Hillary.  It's not you vote for Trump or against Trump.  As in all elections, it's you vote for the candidate you like best and it's been that way since the system was put in place.

YOU ARE WASTING YOUR VOTE!
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1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2016, 02:41:16 PM »
What you always seem to miss is the fact that I can vote for the candidate that I align with most ideally.  I align with neither Trump nor Hillary, neither get my vote.  It's my vote and I will do with it what makes me feel the best. 

I fail to see how I am being sanctimonious by voting with my conscious.  Pretty arrogant of you to tell me that I am wasting my vote or throwing it away.  In this election it's not you vote for Hillary or against Hillary.  It's not you vote for Trump or against Trump.  As in all elections, it's you vote for the candidate you like best and it's been that way since the system was put in place.

And yet.....

In this forum I've been called a knuckle dragger, a mouth breather, an idiot.  I've had my intelligence demeaned and my education questioned.  I've been branded a racist, a homophobe, a lover of xena and a trog. 

Why? Because I don't believe trump is a worse option than the hildebeest.  Because I'd rather support his candidacy than sign this country's death notice by voting for her or voting for her by proxy by supporting some dusty loon who has as much chance at being elected as Kanye west does. 
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2016, 02:44:57 PM »
Don't sell yourself short, K.  You're a tremendous knuckle-dragger.
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2016, 02:52:56 PM »
a lover of xena


I think you misunderstood. 

I think they meant lover of
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Re: Honesty Check
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2016, 03:07:56 PM »

I think you misunderstood. 

I think they meant lover of

I thought it was the Warrior Princess.
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