So fuck lawn services....

[dallaswareagle]

You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.

I am calling Saul. 

[Buzz Killington]

You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.

You calling this guy a liar?

[wesfau2]

You calling this guy a liar?

Was thinking more of this guy:

[bottomfeeder]

So, BF is.......Updyke?

No, BF is no Updyke. I just don't buy auto parts from the garbage man or diamonds from the lawnman.

Read a book years ago titled the "Richest Man In Babylon".

[Townhallsavoy]

You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.

Why are you insisting on inventing things about me?  I read the contracts I sign. I understand the terms before signing. My earlier statement had nothing to do with that. Sorry that's hard for you.

[Snaggletiger]

Why are you insisting on inventing things about me?  I read the contracts I sign. I understand the terms before signing. My earlier statement had nothing to do with that. Sorry that's hard for you.

"Should be illegal.

Edit - No one said anything about not reading the contract or knowing what they're signing for. It's a simple argument. Automatic renewals without confirmation should be illegal."


See Tidwell vs. Pritchett-Moore.  Alabama Court of Civil Appeals

No, it should not be illegal.  If YOU enter into a contract and YOU have every opportunity to read/study the contract you're entering into...and YOU choose to agree to it, then don't bitch when the other side wants to enforce one of the key components YOU were too lazy to read up on and put on your calendar.

Contract law in this area is pretty damn easy.  If the wording is unambiguous and clear to both parties within the 4 corners of the contract..... well, you fill in the rest.  If you don't want the automatic renewal provision in there when you sign it, then negotiate it out.  Otherwise, don't agree to it!!!

[Token]

Damn lawyers. Always looking for a debate.

[Kaos]

"Should be illegal.

Edit - No one said anything about not reading the contract or knowing what they're signing for. It's a simple argument. Automatic renewals without confirmation should be illegal."


See Tidwell vs. Pritchett-Moore.  Alabama Court of Civil Appeals

No, it should not be illegal.  If YOU enter into a contract and YOU have every opportunity to read/study the contract you're entering into...and YOU choose to agree to it, then don't bitch when the other side wants to enforce one of the key components YOU were too lazy to read up on and put on your calendar.

Contract law in this area is pretty damn easy.  If the wording is unambiguous and clear to both parties within the 4 corners of the contract..... well, you fill in the rest.  If you don't want the automatic renewal provision in there when you sign it, then negotiate it out.  Otherwise, don't agree to it!!!

Porn sites are auto renew.  I get that. 

But when somebody signs an annual contract that includes seven visits and then the contractor -- at its own choice -- does the seven visits in six months with no notification other than a bag on the door, I don't think the auto-renew should kick in.   They should have called, emailed or texted me letting me know.  I had this on my calendar to renegotiate next week because I wasn't completely satisfied with the service.  I've got dead patches, weeds where I shouldn't, and some other concerns.  But now they can't tell me when it actually renews.  They just want me to pay another yearly fee plus $80-100 in late fees.  And hey, we can do aeration for another $300.  Surprised they didn't just do that and send me the bill.

I do agree with THS in that the auto-renew should not be a standard practice.  There should be a choice and you should have to specifically select that you choose to auto renew.  Auto renew should not be the only option.  So maybe not illegal, but regulated differently.

 Unless I have no other choice, I usually don't sign auto-renew contracts because they're notoriously hard to get out of.  To my understanding the lawn care service would not renew unless we reviewed the year's service and I agreed to subsequent treatment.  That is how it was verbally explained to me.  I would not have signed it otherwise. 

[War Eagle!!!]

So you "small government" guys want the government involved in your lawn contracts now?

But I agree with K...if it was a yearly contract, then you should have a year, and you should have to pay whatever "extra" they came out within a year, not including the 7 visits. It shouldn't auto-renew after the seventh visit. That's bullshit.

[Townhallsavoy]

I do agree with THS in that the auto-renew should not be a standard practice.  There should be a choice and you should have to specifically select that you choose to auto renew.  Auto renew should not be the only option.  So maybe not illegal, but regulated differently.

"If you would read your contracts, you would know that auto-renew is part of the contract that you are signing. You're probably too lazy to read them though, and that's why you want them regulated differently," - TigersX Attorneys.

[Townhallsavoy]

See Tidwell vs. Pritchett-Moore. 

Don't tell me what to see.

I understand that there are past cases that allow for the legality of automatic renewals. But laws can be changed. All I said was that automatic renewals shouldn't be allowed in contracts. Maybe Kaos extended it better than I did by saying they should always be optional. That's a better way to look at it.

But go ahead and respond and say that I'm lazy for not reading contracts. I know what I sign for. It has nothing to do with a decision I've regretted.

[CCTAU]

Don't tell me what to see.

You would think this is a Trump supporter with that attitude!

[AUJarhead]

Damn lawyers. Always looking for a debate.

And Snags is a master debater.

[Snaggletiger]

Don't tell me what to see.

I understand that there are past cases that allow for the legality of automatic renewals. But laws can be changed. All I said was that automatic renewals shouldn't be allowed in contracts. Maybe Kaos extended it better than I did by saying they should always be optional. That's a better way to look at it.

But go ahead and respond and say that I'm lazy for not reading contracts. I know what I sign for. It has nothing to do with a decision I've regretted.

Again with the lack of reading. Did you not read where I said if you don't want it in there, negotiate it out BEFORE you sign it.  But then, I won't tell you what to see or read.   

[Snaggletiger]

And Snags is a master debater.

I was a master debater at lunch yesterday.  Unfortunately, I'm not welcome in the Longhorn anymore.

[WiregrassTiger]

Don't tell me what to see.

I understand that there are past cases that allow for the legality of automatic renewals. But laws can be changed. All I said was that automatic renewals shouldn't be allowed in contracts. Maybe Kaos extended it better than I did by saying they should always be optional. That's a better way to look at it.

But go ahead and respond and say that I'm lazy for not reading contracts. I know what I sign for. It has nothing to do with a decision I've regretted.

I agree with you re: the auto renewal. However, re this debate, I think the best way for you to win this is to simply slap the fuck out of these bitches.

[Godfather]

I was a master debater at lunch yesterday.  Unfortunately, I'm not welcome in the Longhorn anymore.

Steers and queers

[Snaggletiger]

Steers and queers

I don't see no horns, boy.

[GH2001]

So you "small government" guys want the government involved in your lawn contracts now?

But I agree with K...if it was a yearly contract, then you should have a yearand you should have to pay whatever "extra" they came out within a year, not including the 7 visits. It shouldn't auto-renew after the seventh visit. That's bullshit.

That part^^^

Whether illegal or not it's deceptive and shady as hell and lesser things have been regulated that are similar, lesser meaning equal or less deceptive.. Credit card industry, home loans, pay day loans, etc

[Buzz Killington]

Most of the Xers are illiterate, so why all this discussion about reading anyway?