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Time to bomb N. Korea?
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:44:31 PM »
This idiot just never learns.I guess he figures since it's near an election here, that he can just do what he wants. Either that or he really is certifiable.

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U.S. Officials: North Korea Reassembling Nuclear Facility

Wednesday, September 03, 2008

WASHINGTON —
North Korea, after halting the disassembly of a key nuclear center, is now putting the facility back together in violation of the United States' conditions for improved diplomatic relations between the countries, U.S. officials told FOX News on Tuesday.

The motive isn't clear but sources say North Koreans likely are reassembling nuclear facilities at Yongbyon partly to protest the United States' delay in taking the country off its list of terror-sponsoring nations.

"They've been threatening this move for some time," one U.S. official told FOX News, adding that until now the threats were seen as merely a way for North Korean officials "to express their anger."

Japan's public broadcaster NHK and Kyodo News agency also reported Wednesday North Korea has begun putting its Yongbyon facility back together, days after it halted disablement work.

Even now, piecing the facility back together is seen as a "symbolic gesture" because so much already has been taken apart, though the United States is taking the developments seriously.

Another U.S. official told FOX News that North Korea's intent might be "to put further pressure on us." The cooling tower is gone but the reactor could be back in operation in two to three months, the official said.

North Korea began disabling its plutonium-producing nuclear reactor and other facilities at its Yongbyon nuclear center in November as a step toward their ultimate dismantlement in exchange for economic aid and political concessions, including removal from the U.S. terror list.

Last week, North Korea's Foreign Ministry announced it has stopped disabling the center because the United States failed to remove the communist nation from Washington's terrorism blacklist.

It was the first time that the North had halted the disablement work, though it had slowed the process in protest against the delayed provision of promised aid from its negotiating partners.

The United States announced in June that it would take North Korea off the terror list after Pyongyang turned in a long-delayed account of its nuclear programs and blew up the cooling tower at the reactor.

The two sides have since been negotiating how to verify the nuclear declaration, but no agreement has been reached. Washington has insisted it will remove North Korea from the terror list only after the country agrees fully to a verification plan.

FOX News' Nina Donaghy, Jennifer Griffin and Justin Fishel and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Re: Time to bomb N. Korea?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 12:53:14 PM »
This idiot just never learns.I guess he figures since it's near an election here, that he can just do what he wants. Either that or he really is certifiable.


This is just another example of why this little, platform-shoe, wearing turd can't be trusted with ANY agreement.  Our government should put China on notice that THEY need to take care of this problem immediately in any way they see fit or we need to re-negotiate trade agreements with them; I know that they hold a lot of our debt but China needs us as much as we need them (for cheap Wal-mark's crap); that's where pressure needs to be applied on N. Korea; you can't negotiate with terrorists and madmen like Kim Jong-mentally-ill.
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Re: Time to bomb N. Korea?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 01:10:40 PM »
This idiot just never learns.I guess he figures since it's near an election here, that he can just do what he wants. Either that or he really is certifiable.

But, I thought he was dead...

http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/north-koreas-kim-died-in-2003-and-was-replaced-by-lookalike-says-waseda-profesor

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N Korea's Kim died in 2003; replaced by lookalike, says Waseda professor

Is Kim Jong Il dead? Yes, North Korea’s “Dear Leader” is no more, having passed away in the fall of 2003, writes Waseda University professor Toshimitsu Shigemura in Shukan Gendai (Aug 23-30).

A one-time Mainichi Shimbun journalist posted in Seoul, Shigemura is introduced by the magazine as a leading authority on the Korean Peninsula. His latest book, released this month, is titled “The True Character of Kim Jong Il.”

If true, the implications are potentially vast. Among them: former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi’s summit partner during one or both of his landmark visits to Pyongyang in 2002 and 2004 was not Kim himself but a dummy—the stand-in Shigemura claims has been fooling the world for at least five years.

A dictator having one or multiple doubles is a familiar notion since Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was shown to have deployed them. But Saddam was alive at the time. Kim, in Shigemura’s scenario, was not manipulating a look-alike; he was replaced by one.

Of course it’s fantastic—but in North Korea, says Shigemura, fantasy and reality are not mutually exclusive. “Japanese common sense cannot take the measure of North Korea’s uniqueness,” he writes. “For example: Kim came to Tokyo six times in the 1980s.”

Then as now, North Korea and Japan had no diplomatic ties. Kim, then heir to the throne under his father, “Great Leader” Kim Il Sung, apparently traveled incognito by ship. His purpose: to take in the magic shows staged by magician Hikita Tenko at the upscale Cordon Bleu show pub in Akasaka.

Shigemura cites as sources (without naming them) several people close to Kim’s family. He hears from them that Kim’s diabetes took a turn for the worse early in 2000. From then until his supposed death three and a half years later he was confined to a wheelchair.

Was the flurry of diplomatic activity in which the world saw Kim engaged during those years mere sleight of hand?  The “hermit kingdom” seemed all of a sudden to grow remarkably outgoing. In June 2000 Kim hosted the historic summit with South Korean President Kim Dae Jung.  The following month, he received Russian President Vladimir Putin. In October his guest was U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. In January 2001 he visited China; in August, Russia. In September 2002 there occurred the first summit with Koizumi, culminating in Kim’s admission, after decades of denial from Pyongyang, that North Korean agents had kidnapped Japanese nationals.  August 2003 saw the launch of the Six Party talks aimed at North Korea’s nuclear disarmament.

“Then suddenly,” writes Shigemura in Shukan Gendai, “the pace slows.”

The second Kim-Koizumi summit, in 2004, lasted all of 90 minutes. Scheduled meetings with other foreign dignitaries were abruptly canceled. Kim’s retreat from the public eye was almost total. State television in October 2003 showed him touring a collective farm, but mention of the date of the visit was conspicuously absent.

Kim’s family, meanwhile, was in a state of upheaval. His wife died—of breast cancer, said official reports; assassinated, according to persistent rumors. His favorite sister, a high-ranking Communist Party official, suddenly moved to Paris. Her husband lost his post. Clearly something was afoot.

In the spring of 2006, says Shigemura, American spy satellites succeeded in photographing Kim. An analysis of the photographs led to an astonishing conclusion: Kim had grown 2.5 cm!

“Recently,” Shigemura proceeds, “someone who was in contact with a Kim family member told me he heard the family member say, ‘There’s been a promise not to decide on Kim’s successor so long as the current shogun is alive.’”

“‘Shogun’ was Kim’s nickname,” Shigemura explains “If Kim were alive, the family member would simply have said, ‘the shogun’—not ‘the current shogun.’ The stress on ‘current’ seems to suggest that the person in question is someone other than Kim Jong Il.”

Shukan Gendai asks a government official who helped plan Koizumi’s Pyongyang visits what he thinks of all this. His reply: “Rumors of a dummy Kim began circulating after the summit. Some of us said we should have Kim’s voice prints analyzed. But if we did that and proved the prime minister had been conferring with a double, it could have destroyed the Koizumi administration. So we didn’t proceed.”
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Re: Time to bomb N. Korea?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 03:55:53 PM »
Generally, I am not in favor of bombing other countries.  It seems to make them cranky and wildly unpredictable.  That tends to mean that I will be on active duty longer than expected and no one wants that shit.

I agree with the esteemed Tarheel.  Let China do the dirty work. 

That, or send in Clint Eastwood in a Korean disguise kinda like Firefox.  Of course, running the country instead of simply stealing a jet might be a stretch.
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Re: Time to bomb N. Korea?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 02:41:06 PM »
Generally, I am not in favor of bombing other countries.  It seems to make them cranky and wildly unpredictable.  That tends to mean that I will be on active duty longer than expected and no one wants that shit.

I agree with the esteemed Tarheel.  Let China do the dirty work. 

That, or send in Clint Eastwood in a Korean disguise kinda like Firefox.  Of course, running the country instead of simply stealing a jet might be a stretch.

We'd have to bomb them during the day, it's lights-out there at sun-down:

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-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Time to bomb N. Korea?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 02:53:29 PM »
That, or send in Clint Eastwood in a Korean disguise kinda like Firefox.  Of course, running the country instead of simply stealing a jet might be a stretch.

Clint's a little too old for that, but we have have another option.  And, he has Hollywood training. 

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Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand