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Would you like fries with that?
« on: July 23, 2015, 11:22:03 AM »
So, they get the raise in NY too but it doesn't apply across the board. Got $15 for just the fast food workers. Cliff Notes, the state "fast food board" (WTF?) unanimously approved it.

Look, I'm not against putting a limit on how much anyone can make for flipping burgers but I don't see how a minimum wage should apply only to a specific industry. Well, actually, it only applies to restaurants that have more than 30 locations, I believe.

Actually, it's an unfair competitive advantage to smaller businesses over the chains. If I had a large chain there, I'd just shut down and come back with a bunch of smaller chains and cut my labor cost in half.

But fortunately, I don't own any chains there. Just out west, in the south and in Peru.
Fast Food Workers Win A Historic Raise
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/fast-food-workers-win-a-historic-raise/ar-AAdnvse?ocid=DELLDHP

New York made shockwaves on Wednesday when a specially-convened state wage board called for a hike in the minimum pay for fast food workers to $15 an hour. Assuming it’s approved by Gov. Andrew Cuomo --and no signs suggest otherwise-- the new rate will be, at once, a jaw-dropping victory for labor activists, a rare political setback for name-brand restaurant chains, and the latest piece of fodder for a national debate about the value of fair pay. It also can’t come soon enough for David Ramirez.

“We need that raise, my man,” says Ramirez, 52, an employee at the same Subway restaurant in midtown Manhattan for the past 10 years, where he earns the state minimum, now $8.75. “We bust our a-- up in here.”

On most days, Ramirez wakes well before dawn in downtown Brooklyn, where he splits monthly rent of $1300 with his mother who receives Social Security benefits. He usually starts work at 5 in the morning. When his shift ends at 3 in the afternoon, he heads to a different Subway in Woodmere, Queens --about an hour and a half away by train-- and works another 4 hours. It makes for an exhausting 60 hour work week. Since he divides the time over two jobs, neither tallying more than 40 hours per week, Ramirez doesn’t earn any overtime. In New York City, he says, those annual earnings of about $21,000 are hard to get by on. A raise of $6 would go a long way.

“It would make a big difference, not just to me,” he says, “but other families too.”



             
Unchartered Waters

That was also the thinking of the Fast Food Wage Board, which voted unanimously in support of the $15 rate. The pay hike would apply to fast food chains with 30 or more locations nationwide, and be phased in over time, becoming mandatory in New York City by 2019, and the rest of the state by July 2021. Backed with enthusiasm by Gov. Cuomo, the raise can proceed without legislative approval: a New Deal era law allows state regulators to boost wages for specific industries and occupations where they deem pay “insufficient to provide for the life and health” of workers. The raise comes after two and a half years of high-visibility protests from the so-called Fight For 15, a movement of low-wage workers and labor activists backed by the powerful Service Employees International Union that demands higher wages in fast food and other low-paying sectors.

Amid pressure from these activists, other major cities have already approved $15 minimum wages --Seattle, San Francisco and both the city and county of Los Angeles-- but New York’s looming pay hike is unique for a couple of reasons. For one, it's the only one to apply to a single industry. It also would take effect across the entire state, whereas the other ambitious wage hikes have all been limited to cities.


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Jay Holland, government affairs coordinator for the New York State Restaurant Association, blasted the state's decision to single out the fast food industry. "This is an economic policy that's never been tried before," he says of the sector-wide wage. "The idea that an EMT worker or a home care aide should make less than a fast food worker flies in the face of reason."

“Most restaurants operate under really thin margins," he adds. "You’re gonna have to raise prices, lay people off or come up with some creative scheduling practices to save money.”

Anna agrees with Holland. She earns $9.75 an hour and works 32 hours a week, scrubbing tables and mopping floors at a McDonald’s in midtown Manhattan. Like many low-wage workers, she lacks job protections and did not provide her last name. “It sounds good,” she says of $15 an hour, “but you know they’re gonna cut hours. That’s what they’re already doing.”

James Sherk, labor policy expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation, says the pay mandates will accelerate the industry’s turn toward automation -- self-service tablets, for example, that replace the need for cashiers. Such technologies are already being developed, but are not yet widely used.

“The main barrier to implementation is the up-front cost and then maintenance,” Sherk says. “But with the minimum wage going up it will make a lot more sense for McDonald’s to do this. It changes the financial calculus.”

Tsedeye Gebreselassie, staff attorney at the left-leaning National Employment Law Project, shrugs off the criticism. Businesses always tend to complain when the wage floor rises, she says, and this is no exception. Plus, the hike is staggered over time, giving the firms --which include some of the largest corporations in the nation-- plenty of time to adjust.

The boost will also deliver broader benefits to the economy, as workers find themselves with more spending power than before. That bottom tier of the labor force is in despearate need of economic gains. “Part of why there has to be such a dramatic increase is that wages have fallen so dramatically,” Gebreselassie says. “This is about playing catch up.”

It’s also about setting high standards for an increasingly large part of the labor force, she says. More than 4 million people work in the fast food sector nationwide; 180,000 of them are in New York.

As the recovery continues to inch forward, lingering myths of fast food as a temporary gig for teens simply don't reflect the new economic reality. A New York survey found 87.5 percent of the state's fast food workers are aged 19 and older. “Because this is such a growing industry, more and more adults are going to be spending their careers in it," she says. It makes sense that decent pay should follow.

Another benefit of the wage hike is that it remains largely immune to a common threat of employers confronted with mounting high labor costs: relocation. Unlike the sorts of manufacturing jobs that companies can easily ship to cheaper states or countries -- say, General Electric’s ongoing relocation from a unionized capacitor plant in Fort Edward, New York to non-union Clearwater, Florida -- fast food restaurants aren’t about to up and leave the state en masse. “You need to be where your customers are, where the demand is,” says Gebreselassie.

“Everything’s Rising Except For The Pay”

For many workers, business concerns don't change the fact that current pay practices verge on the nightmarish.

“Everything's rising except for the pay -- rents, food, transportation” says Filiberto Carrillo, who, like David Ramirez, has to work at two different New York City Subways to make ends meet. He’s worked at Subway for 6 years, he says, and earns $10 an hour. “Right now, when you ask for more pay, they just give you more hours.”

Physically, he cannot tolerate much more. Carrillo says he usually works 15 to 16 hour days, or 75 hours a week. A $15 wage would be a relief, he says, before going to fix coffee for an anxious customer in line.

Meanwhile, for David Ramirez, a pay raise might resolve his MetroCard dilemma. Right now, he uses a weekly pass. He knows it’s cheaper to get the monthly one, but it’s especially prone to malfunction if it bends a lot -- it’s happened before and takes far too long to get fixed. The monthly cost difference between the two passes is about 7 dollars. He would rather not make such calculations.
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2015, 01:51:22 PM »
ok, rant on here....


Simply put - you get what you are WORTH to the organization/person you work for. PERIOD. Thats almost a law of nature - supply/demand and worth. If you flip fries or burgers or put money in a register you are not worth very much to a company. Worth some, but not much. You job isn't terribly skilled or high risk or hard or involve important decision making. So you get paid accordingly. To force someone to pay another someone MORE than what they are worth in the natural business model is absolutely a decision based off emotion, as the article illustrates in pointing out the one sob story example and how the poor guy could make it if they would just pay him more.

Wanna make more pal? Be worth to them than! Take some risk. Take some initiative. Make your company more money. Make some important decisions. And lastly, strive to be something more than a fry cook or robotic cashier. Else, you get out of it what you put into it. You make a sandwich...awesome. You are worth about ten bucks an hour. Last I checked, you voluntarily took the job. If you think you are worth more, and you truly are, then go job shopping and get yourself an upgrade.....again, IF you are truly worth more to the marketplace.

All of this...ALL of it. Flies in the face of any common sense. All rhetorical. All based on emotion and feeling and entitlement.

end rant.
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2015, 02:37:58 PM »
ok, rant on here....


Simply put - you get what you are WORTH to the organization/person you work for. PERIOD. Thats almost a law of nature - supply/demand and worth. If you flip fries or burgers or put money in a register you are not worth very much to a company. Worth some, but not much. You job isn't terribly skilled or high risk or hard or involve important decision making. So you get paid accordingly. To force someone to pay another someone MORE than what they are worth in the natural business model is absolutely a decision based off emotion, as the article illustrates in pointing out the one sob story example and how the poor guy could make it if they would just pay him more.

Wanna make more pal? Be worth to them than! Take some risk. Take some initiative. Make your company more money. Make some important decisions. And lastly, strive to be something more than a fry cook or robotic cashier. Else, you get out of it what you put into it. You make a sandwich...awesome. You are worth about ten bucks an hour. Last I checked, you voluntarily took the job. If you think you are worth more, and you truly are, then go job shopping and get yourself an upgrade.....again, IF you are truly worth more to the marketplace.

All of this...ALL of it. Flies in the face of any common sense. All rhetorical. All based on emotion and feeling and entitlement.

end rant.


All of that would require initiative and sacrifice.  You can't expect that.   :facepalm: 
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2015, 02:48:46 PM »
ok, rant on here....


Simply put - you get what you are WORTH to the organization/person you work for. PERIOD. Thats almost a law of nature - supply/demand and worth. If you flip fries or burgers or put money in a register you are not worth very much to a company. Worth some, but not much. You job isn't terribly skilled or high risk or hard or involve important decision making. So you get paid accordingly. To force someone to pay another someone MORE than what they are worth in the natural business model is absolutely a decision based off emotion, as the article illustrates in pointing out the one sob story example and how the poor guy could make it if they would just pay him more.

Wanna make more pal? Be worth to them than! Take some risk. Take some initiative. Make your company more money. Make some important decisions. And lastly, strive to be something more than a fry cook or robotic cashier. Else, you get out of it what you put into it. You make a sandwich...awesome. You are worth about ten bucks an hour. Last I checked, you voluntarily took the job. If you think you are worth more, and you truly are, then go job shopping and get yourself an upgrade.....again, IF you are truly worth more to the marketplace.

All of this...ALL of it. Flies in the face of any common sense. All rhetorical. All based on emotion and feeling and entitlement.

end rant.
All of this is the way it WAS way back when. You really need to stay up with the times.

Now, a state board decides how much an employer's employee makes and a city mayor decides what companies can operate in their city--through one powerful and democratic word. REGULATION. Regulators are there to help you. Accept it.
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2015, 04:30:22 PM »
I'm quitting my job and going to work for McDowells.  I may start out mopping the floors for $15 an hour, but sometime I'll move up to the fries.  That's when the big bucks start rolling in.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2015, 04:35:03 PM »
I'm quitting my job and going to work for McDowells.  I may start out mopping the floors for $15 an hour, but sometime I'll move up to the fries.  That's when the big bucks start rolling in.


Look... me and the McDonald's people got this little misunderstanding. See, they're McDonald's... I'm McDowell's. They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds. My buns have no seeds.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2015, 04:42:38 PM »
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2015, 11:35:00 PM »
What about this scenario?

If I'm forced to pay workers $15 I'm going to be looking for workers who deserve $15.  Maybe I can entice smarter workers, more stable workers, more competent workers, more invested workers. 

So now the guy who was working at Best Buy making $9.50 an hour can come work for me and make $15.  I'm going to weed out all the gum snapping, long fingernail wearing, non-english speaking fucktard dirty gang-bangers and get me some qualified, quality employees who know how to be on time, know how to treat customers and know how to work.  Fifty-two year old David Ramirez can forget his job at Subway, I'm giving that job to somebody who ISN'T 52 and working at a fucking Subway. 

His dumb 52-year old ass will be back working somewhere else -- maybe a Chinese laundry or something -- making the $9 an hour he's clearly worth. 

I don't think this stupid ass law will actually increase the pay of the numbfucks who now work at fast food joints.  I think it will prompt more qualified people to come in and displace their shiftless asses.

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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2015, 08:38:56 AM »
What about this scenario?

If I'm forced to pay workers $15 I'm going to be looking for workers who deserve $15.  Maybe I can entice smarter workers, more stable workers, more competent workers, more invested workers. 

So now the guy who was working at Best Buy making $9.50 an hour can come work for me and make $15.  I'm going to weed out all the gum snapping, long fingernail wearing, non-english speaking fucktard dirty gang-bangers and get me some qualified, quality employees who know how to be on time, know how to treat customers and know how to work.  Fifty-two year old David Ramirez can forget his job at Subway, I'm giving that job to somebody who ISN'T 52 and working at a fucking Subway. 

His dumb 52-year old ass will be back working somewhere else -- maybe a Chinese laundry or something -- making the $9 an hour he's clearly worth. 

I don't think this stupid ass law will actually increase the pay of the numbfucks who now work at fast food joints.  I think it will prompt more qualified people to come in and displace their shiftless asses.

Problem is, no one working at Subway or McD's doing a simple entry level task is actually worth that. The Manager or Shift Lead, sure. You need X number of people to run the Subway store during a typical Friday. Let's say 4-5 people. All making 9-11 bucks an hour. Now you have to pay them all 15 bucks an hour...whether its the same people or replacements. Its still 5 people at 15 bucks an hour. Versus the 10 on avg they were making. That could put a store into the red or seriously cut the profit margin expected (which flows back up to the franchisee and stock holders), so now the store has to cut someone. Now during the lunch rush, they are operating a man or two down. The line backs up, they start running out of stuff on the sandwich trays, etc. Customers get aggrevated. Are reluctant to go back. Yadda yadda.

You all have been to a resturaunt on a day where they were short on staff. Its absolutely awful. Imagine that on a daily basis. McD's and other fast food places are already terrible on service. It will get even worse, because most of these places are going to cut stuff to maintain that comfortable profit margin to keep from treading that line of going into the red. I mean, how dare they not want to lose money? Of all the nerve. Theyve all already said as much...especially McD's who is really hurting right now for revenue/profit.

Its just an absurd notion to FORCE this. Skills still don't match the pay however you reason. Just another overreach from some agency or govt board into the private sector. And they will screw this up like they have everything else they meddle in.
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2015, 09:04:43 AM »
What about this scenario?

If I'm forced to pay workers $15 I'm going to be looking for workers who deserve $15.  Maybe I can entice smarter workers, more stable workers, more competent workers, more invested workers. 

So now the guy who was working at Best Buy making $9.50 an hour can come work for me and make $15.  I'm going to weed out all the gum snapping, long fingernail wearing, non-english speaking fudgetard dirty gang-bangers and get me some qualified, quality employees who know how to be on time, know how to treat customers and know how to work.  Fifty-two year old David Ramirez can forget his job at Subway, I'm giving that job to somebody who ISN'T 52 and working at a fudgeing Subway. 

His dumb 52-year old ass will be back working somewhere else -- maybe a Chinese laundry or something -- making the $9 an hour he's clearly worth. 

I don't think this stupid ass law will actually increase the pay of the numbfudges who now work at fast food joints.  I think it will prompt more qualified people to come in and displace their shiftless asses.

You can't do that!  We all deserve participation trophies $15 an hour!
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2015, 09:36:07 AM »
You can't do that!  We all deserve participation trophies $15 an hour!
And for that we get 7.00 / loaf bread and 8.00 milk.
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2015, 11:01:29 AM »
What about this scenario?

If I'm forced to pay workers $15 I'm going to be looking for workers who deserve $15.  Maybe I can entice smarter workers, more stable workers, more competent workers, more invested workers. 

So now the guy who was working at Best Buy making $9.50 an hour can come work for me and make $15.  I'm going to weed out all the gum snapping, long fingernail wearing, non-english speaking fucktard dirty gang-bangers and get me some qualified, quality employees who know how to be on time, know how to treat customers and know how to work.  Fifty-two year old David Ramirez can forget his job at Subway, I'm giving that job to somebody who ISN'T 52 and working at a fucking Subway. 

His dumb 52-year old ass will be back working somewhere else -- maybe a Chinese laundry or something -- making the $9 an hour he's clearly worth. 

I don't think this stupid ass law will actually increase the pay of the numbfucks who now work at fast food joints.  I think it will prompt more qualified people to come in and displace their shiftless asses.
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2015, 11:21:46 AM »
What about this scenario?

If I'm forced to pay workers $15 I'm going to be looking for workers who deserve $15.  Maybe I can entice smarter workers, more stable workers, more competent workers, more invested workers. 

So now the guy who was working at Best Buy making $9.50 an hour can come work for me and make $15.  I'm going to weed out all the gum snapping, long fingernail wearing, non-english speaking fucktard dirty gang-bangers and get me some qualified, quality employees who know how to be on time, know how to treat customers and know how to work.  Fifty-two year old David Ramirez can forget his job at Subway, I'm giving that job to somebody who ISN'T 52 and working at a fucking Subway. 

His dumb 52-year old ass will be back working somewhere else -- maybe a Chinese laundry or something -- making the $9 an hour he's clearly worth. 

I don't think this stupid ass law will actually increase the pay of the numbfucks who now work at fast food joints.  I think it will prompt more qualified people to come in and displace their shiftless asses.


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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2015, 02:10:09 PM »
And for that we get 7.00 / loaf bread and 8.00 milk.

Actually, just $10 Quarter Pounders
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Re: Would you like fries with that?
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2015, 07:01:11 PM »
Actually, just $10 Quarter Pounders
And still assembled wrong, too. Incompetence will just cost twice as much.

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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2015, 12:51:17 AM »
And still assembled wrong, too. Incompetence will just cost twice as much.

Bring on the touch screens!
Harrumph!
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