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A Black Columnist on Obama
« on: May 14, 2008, 08:04:33 PM »
This is a really good article on Mr. Obama...

Subject: A Black Columnist on Obama



 Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun

 

 It's an amazing time to be alive in America. We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.

 

We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.

 

The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.

 

Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton.    Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant..  Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America. But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."

 

Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.

 

Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.

 

Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois, he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.

 

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.  

 

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.

 

It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.
  

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ :

 

.........will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything.    Is it OBAMA??

 

I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can!  Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it!  If you think I am crazy,.  I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 08:28:35 PM »
Excellent article to post "War Eagle!!!".  I've read some great articles in the past by Ken Blackwell and this article was no exception; I had not read it before.

The last part of the article brings to mind a discussion that I had with a few of my co-workers recently who also wondered about the comparison of Barack Obama to "the anti-Christ".  At the risk of venturing into the realm of religion I thought that you (and others) might like to read a summary of reading that I did on this subject just a couple of weeks ago.  This is an excerpt from an email that I wrote and sent to a couple of co-workers on 6 May 2008 (all references are to the KJV Bible); I tried to stay very objective in my writing on this subject but you will find a few subjective comments:

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I did some reading this past weekend to refresh my memory on the anti-Christ since you made the reference below about Obama…you might want to do some reading when you have time.  Here are the things that I found out:

The Bible says that there will be many anti-Christs (1 John 2:18, Matthew 24:4, 5, 11, 23, 24) and many people with the Spirit of anti-Christ (1 John 4:3) before the final anti-Christ (Daniel 11:21; Revelation 13:1 thru 10; 2 Thessalonians 2:30) appears.  You will know who the anti-Christ(s) and those with the spirit of anti-Christ are because they will all deny that Jesus Christ is God in one way or another (that is that He is part of the Holy Trinity) or they will equate themselves with Jesus Christ in one way or another.  They all will be extremely attractive and very popular with everyone; they will be so attractive as to deceive even Christians (Matthew 24:24).  And they may even say that they are the Messiah (Matthew 24:4, 5; Mark 13:6; and Luke 21:8).  The Gospels are almost unanimous on this last point which really hammers it home.

There are many signs pointing to the end times leading up to the Rapture and the final anti-Christ…one of them is the reformation of Israel as a nation (which happened in May of 1948); others are an explosion of knowledge (which has been happening since the beginning of the 20th Century); the creation of nuclear weapons (Zechariah 14:12); Jerusalem will be divided (Luke 21, I think; the current “Roadmap to Peace” calls for Jerusalem to be divided between Israel and the Palestinians but it has basically been divided since 1948); the ability for worldwide communication (Rev. 11:9,10) will be in place; the Gospel will have been able to be heard by everyone (Matthew 24:14); there will be wars and rumors of wars (Matt. 24:6); earthquakes in diverse places in addition to plagues and famine (Matt. 24:7); and the key sign seems to be the building of the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem (this has been attempted numerous times since 1948 by many Orthodox Jewish groups which are still around and still preparing for the building of the Temple; but it will require the mosque on Temple Mount to be destroyed first; which will, of course, cause a major war to start since it is a holy site for Islam) (Revelations 11: 1-2; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4; Matthew 24: 15-21).

I don’t know what to tell you beyond that other than reading Chapter 24 of Matthew (I like this chapter because it is a direct quote from Jesus Christ and He is pretty clear about it being the end times that He is talking about).
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 12:20:12 AM »
I'm not a fan of Obama, but come on War Eagle; your article is definitely a work of fiction.

Anything you receive via email that has something to the effect of "I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can!" is a hoax. Don't feel bad about being taken in though; lots of folks buy into this sort of thing. When I was inexperienced in the ways of the interwebs, I too would have bought this line.


"According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ :
.........will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything."


Islam wasn't founded until several hundred years after the book of Revelation (singular, not plural) was finished.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 02:51:14 AM »
I'm not a fan of Obama, but come on War Eagle; your article is definitely a work of fiction.

Anything you receive via email that has something to the effect of "I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can!" is a hoax. Don't feel bad about being taken in though; lots of folks buy into this sort of thing. When I was inexperienced in the ways of the interwebs, I too would have bought this line.

Well, I looked everywhere and couldn't verify the article.  Here are a number of interesting articles from Ken Blackwell many of which verify what has been espoused in the e-mail.  http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008

Islam wasn't founded until several hundred years after the book of Revelation (singular, not plural) was finished.

BINGO!  I found that part of this rant disturbing for that exact reason.  It's just more hype about the anti-Christ.  I don't beleive that Barack's intentionally evil by any means, but I do believe that he would work to destroy a lot of the values and foundations that made this country as great as it is.  Not to get all patriotic on you, but it's truly amazing what we have accomplished as a nation in our short history of 231 years.  We've surpassed the world in every area, and we're still going strong. 
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 08:43:06 AM »
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/02/14/the_real_obama?page=full&comments=true

Here is the original article. You are right, the anti-christ part should not have been posted. But I really didn't give a crap about that part of the article to be perfectly honest. I don't know enough about the bible to debate that part with you and to be honest I don't really care if people think he is the anti-christ or not. I personally don't; and i think it is foolish that other people do. BUT...I posted the article for all the points leading up to the anti-christ comment. The fact of the matter is that he is the most liberal senator in the senate and no one talks about it. That part of the article is definitely not fiction. If you think it is, you have bought nto the media hype on Obama and do not look at his issues and his senate record.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 11:02:03 AM »
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/02/14/the_real_obama?page=full&comments=true

Here is the original article. You are right, the anti-christ part should not have been posted. But I really didn't give a crap about that part of the article to be perfectly honest. I don't know enough about the bible to debate that part with you and to be honest I don't really care if people think he is the anti-christ or not. I personally don't; and i think it is foolish that other people do. BUT...I posted the article for all the points leading up to the anti-christ comment. The fact of the matter is that he is the most liberal senator in the senate and no one talks about it. That part of the article is definitely not fiction. If you think it is, you have bought nto the media hype on Obama and do not look at his issues and his senate record.

Good catch...  It was late, and I was tired.   :blink:

I agree on all points in the original article.  Very few people have actually been able to discuss his positions on anything.  He's done a good job of hiding the truth.  He's probably one of the least accomplished Senators in America, and he's definitely the "most Left".   Too many people get caught up in the hype of his polished demeanor.  He'd make a great used car salesman. 
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 11:27:58 AM »
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/02/14/the_real_obama?page=full&comments=true

Here is the original article. You are right, the anti-christ part should not have been posted. But I really didn't give a crap about that part of the article to be perfectly honest. I don't know enough about the bible to debate that part with you and to be honest I don't really care if people think he is the anti-christ or not. I personally don't; and i think it is foolish that other people do. BUT...I posted the article for all the points leading up to the anti-christ comment. The fact of the matter is that he is the most liberal senator in the senate and no one talks about it. That part of the article is definitely not fiction. If you think it is, you have bought nto the media hype on Obama and do not look at his issues and his senate record.

I only called you out about the Anti-Christ thing.

Sounds like we agree on the rest.

There are some sharp posters on here. If you want to be taken seriously in the political forums, be carefull what you cut and paste.

GarMan, you can get all patriotic anytime you want.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 03:55:46 PM »
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/02/14/the_real_obama?page=full&comments=true

Here is the original article. You are right, the anti-christ part should not have been posted. But I really didn't give a crap about that part of the article to be perfectly honest. I don't know enough about the bible to debate that part with you and to be honest I don't really care if people think he is the anti-christ or not. I personally don't; and i think it is foolish that other people do. BUT...I posted the article for all the points leading up to the anti-christ comment. The fact of the matter is that he is the most liberal senator in the senate and no one talks about it. That part of the article is definitely not fiction. If you think it is, you have bought nto the media hype on Obama and do not look at his issues and his senate record.

Not to simply reiterate what GarMan posted but good find indeed (I was offline for a while-and GarMan beat me to a reply).  And by the way I do not think that Obama is the anti-Christ either...my point was to post (at least part of) what the Good Book says on the subject.  One of my work colleagues sent an email to me comparing Obama to the anti-Christ which I thought was very weak (not unlike the last part of the first article that was posted in this thread...no offense intended.)

Some of my colleagues (especially the Democrats) like to forward useless and/or alarmist information out in mass emails and I take great satisfaction in replying back in mass emails just how wrong they are (with facts and figures to prove it).

There's quite a lot of crap in teh ebays and intarwebs about the anti-Christ, the Rapture, and the end times; you really have to be careful of this hype.  While "there are many good books" on the subject out there in the ether too as with all things important I prefer to study the source and educate myself.  It is trite but true, you never get too old to learn.


...the book of Revelation (singular, not plural) was finished.


Good point and true...my bad.

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There are some sharp posters on here. If you want to be taken seriously in the political forums, be carefull what you cut and paste.
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Wow!  I'll take that as a compliment, intentional or otherwise.


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GarMan, you can get all patriotic anytime you want.


Don't encourage him!
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2008, 07:30:54 PM »
Don't encourage him!

Are you provokin' me?   :box:
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2008, 09:53:40 AM »
Anti-Christ? Seriously?

I'm far from an Obama supporter, but this kind of shit pisses me off, actually. I wish people could stick to debating the issues instead of using religion to fear monger. This type of bigoted ignorance will not win the Republicans the nomination. There are too many intelligent people that this type of crap annoys enough to turn them off to be outweighed by the "Got 12" knuckle draggers that buy into this and pass it along to 25 of their friends after perusing the Paul Finebaum Radio Network website. At least I hope.

Some of my colleagues (especially the Democrats) like to forward useless and/or alarmist information out in mass emails and I take great satisfaction in replying back in mass emails just how wrong they are (with facts and figures to prove it).
Again, I mostly consider myself a conservative, but I'm not a homer. I'm pretty sure the right is far more guilty of this particular offense than the left. And it irritates me. I don't want the Republican party to be the party of alarmist e-mails that can quickly be debunked on Snopes yet continue to be forwarded by every rube whose inbox it lands in.

By the way, Obama's not a Muslim. His father whom he never knew was. You can't have it both ways. Either he's associated with the Trinity United Church of Christ pastor Jeremiah Wright, or he prays to Mecca every day and is only pursuing the presidential office so that he can blow it up from within in the name of Allah.

Or I guess he could be the Anti-Christ...
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 04:42:56 PM »
Damn Chizad, touched a nerve did they?   :poke:
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2008, 05:37:54 PM »
I said that I didn't post this beca...fuck it...never mind...
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2008, 06:31:41 PM »
I said that I didn't post this beca...fuck it...never mind...
I got it, I wasn't arguing with you particularly. I only commented on that part, because that's the only part I disagree with. That kind of stuff irritates me.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2008, 07:09:09 PM »
Anti-Christ? Seriously?

I'm far from an Obama supporter, but this kind of shit pisses me off, actually. I wish people could stick to debating the issues instead of using religion to fear monger. This type of bigoted ignorance will not win the Republicans the nomination. There are too many intelligent people that this type of crap annoys enough to turn them off to be outweighed by the "Got 12" knuckle draggers that buy into this and pass it along to 25 of their friends after perusing the Paul Finebaum Radio Network website. At least I hope.

Again, I mostly consider myself a conservative, but I'm not a homer. I'm pretty sure the right is far more guilty of this particular offense than the left. And it irritates me. I don't want the Republican party to be the party of alarmist e-mails that can quickly be debunked on Snopes yet continue to be forwarded by every rube whose inbox it lands in.

By the way, Obama's not a Muslim. His father whom he never knew was. You can't have it both ways. Either he's associated with the Trinity United Church of Christ pastor Jeremiah Wright, or he prays to Mecca every day and is only pursuing the presidential office so that he can blow it up from within in the name of Allah.

Or I guess he could be the Anti-Christ...

I did not make my post to imply that I believe that Obama is the anti-Christ (or an anti-Christ).  I too believe that this kind of hi-jacking of Christianity for political alarmism is silly (and, in some cases, dangerous).  I would have to agree with you to the extent that this type of alarmism is done by both the left and the right (I don't see a difference in the forwarded bullsheit emails that I get in terms of one side sending more than the other), especially with those damn "forward this email to one thousand of your friends" non-sense.  Again, you have to study the source and educate yourself.  But, I'd also agree with you that it won't do any good for any Republicans to promote this kind of religious-based bigotry.

I am bloody well aware that Obama is not a Muslim.  And I don't give a rat's ass if you think that I'm a homer whatever the fuck that means.  If it's a Conservative Republican then count me as one.

What really grinds my gears are people who can't pick a political party!
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-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2008, 07:43:30 PM »
homer:

Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.


I guess I'm one of your gear-grinders. I was an officer in AU College Republicans. If I absolutely had to pick one party now it'd probably have to be Libertarian, although I don't agree with every single stance in their party line either. I just don't see everything as that black and white. There are only and exactly two alternatives for all issues that face mankind. You have to agree 100% with the official party line on all issues whether they overlap or not. You are given your opinion before you're allowed to think about it for yourself. You can't  be opposed to gun control AND the war on drugs. You can't be pro-capitalism/free market AND think it's time to explore alternative fuel sources. You can't support the death penalty AND a woman's right to choose. You can't be against socialized medicine AND support stem cell research.
Every politician who is a member of the political party I support can do no wrong and every thing the other party does is in the name of pure evil.
Sports homerism does no harm. Political homerism is extremely dangerous in my opinion.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2008, 12:56:58 PM »
homer:

Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.
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I would not consider myself a political "homer" as defined but...

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If I absolutely had to pick one party now it'd probably have to be Libertarian, although I don't agree with every single stance in their party line either.
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I'd rather vote for a Republican (or even a proven conservative Democrat) than throw my vote away on some third party Libertarian or Constitution or Whig Party candidate who has a slim to zero chance of winning an election...that kind of voting only serves to help the opposition.

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I just don't see everything as that black and white. There are only and exactly two alternatives for all issues that face mankind. You have to agree 100% with the official party line on all issues whether they overlap or not. You are given your opinion before you're allowed to think about it for yourself. You can't  be opposed to gun control AND the war on drugs. You can't be pro-capitalism/free market AND think it's time to explore alternative fuel sources. You can't support the death penalty AND a woman's right to choose. You can't be against socialized medicine AND support stem cell research.  Every politician who is a member of the political party I support can do no wrong and every thing the other party does is in the name of pure evil.
Sports homerism does no harm.  Political homerism is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

Fair enough however you sound more like a Democrat here in discussing grey areas when there are some absolutes for good reasons.  For example, Democrats (and their activist judge friends), want to redifine marriage.  Marriage is and always has been the union of one man and one woman in this country.  The purpose for that definition is to incentivize and promote starting a healthy family and continue the traditional family values that make this nation strong from the family outward.  Now, some states define that as a union between two women or two men by what I would consider capricious, judicial fiat contrary to the will of the people...what's next?!  Once you go down that road of breaking down standards there's no end to how far one can define the "grey area".

No, there's not always only and exactly two alternatives to each given issue but there usually is a conservative viewpoint and a socialist viewpoint (I won't say liberal because that is too gracious and incorrect regarding the current Dem party).  I don't agree with John McCain 100 percent but he's going to be the Republican candidate so you can either vote for him...vote for Obama...throw your vote away for a useless third party candidate...or not vote for a presidential candidate and vote down ticket...or stay at home and not vote at all.  There's five choices for you on election day...no grey area at all.

And, no, I don't march lock-step with the Republican party on all issues but you have to educate yourself and make your opinions known to your candidates and elected officials; county, city, state, and federal.  You're right in that you should not take your opinions and issue-oriented thinking from whatever party you support...that's the easy road and far too many people in this country do just that because it IS easy...most of my Democrat colleagues are quite guilty of this kind of sheeple mentality!

At any rate; I find some of your examples above vexing but apart from that we may agree on more than we disagree.
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2008, 01:00:09 PM »
homer:

Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.

I guess I'm one of your gear-grinders. I was an officer in AU College Republicans. If I absolutely had to pick one party now it'd probably have to be Libertarian, although I don't agree with every single stance in their party line either. I just don't see everything as that black and white. There are only and exactly two alternatives for all issues that face mankind. You have to agree 100% with the official party line on all issues whether they overlap or not. You are given your opinion before you're allowed to think about it for yourself. You can't  be opposed to gun control AND the war on drugs. You can't be pro-capitalism/free market AND think it's time to explore alternative fuel sources. You can't support the death penalty AND a woman's right to choose. You can't be against socialized medicine AND support stem cell research.
Every politician who is a member of the political party I support can do no wrong and every thing the other party does is in the name of pure evil.
Sports homerism does no harm. Political homerism is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

Just throwing in my 2 cents...
By the purest definition, true Conservatives are gear-grinders who understand cause and effect relationships and the science behind logic and reason.  For the most part, they are Jeffersonian Liberals.  At least from my perspective, they act with historical context favoring traditional approaches with proven track records.  This is the reason most families run their households conservatively, even among liberals. 

On the other hand, Modern American Liberalism is driven primarily by emotion and feelings.  Their concept of Liberalism has less to do with the classical definition and more to do with "change for the sake of change" without much regard for the logical outcomes resulting from those changes.  Any change is better as long as the force driving that change is well-intentioned.  They seem to rarely reference history to understand the mistakes and successes of past generations and even entire civilizations, for that matter.  Consider their fetish with attempting to guarantee outcomes versus guaranteeing equal opportunity.  It just doesn't work in a free society. 

Libertarians seem to extend conservative reasoning to the point of anarchy, which I admit looks promising when it comes to “free will,” but my concern is extending that “free will” concept to the masses of which are products of our merit-less gubme’t skewl system.  When the lowest common denominator can’t read, write, do simple math or distinguish between right and wrong, “free will” becomes dangerous. 

The parties are just fucked. 
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2008, 01:01:05 PM »
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I was an officer in AU College Republicans.
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By the bye, congratulations on your past position.  But what happened to drive you away from the Republican Party and into the Loser-tarian camp?
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2008, 01:08:35 PM »
I'd rather vote for a Republican (or even a proven conservative Democrat) than throw my vote away on some third party Libertarian or Constitution or Whig Party candidate who has a slim to zero chance of winning an election...that kind of voting only serves to help the opposition.

Agreed...  We can't have an effective third party in this country until we revise the election process.  We can't have a minority elected official and expect that person to be an effective leader. 
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Re: A Black Columnist on Obama
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2008, 01:23:32 PM »
Fair enough however you sound more like a Democrat here in discussing grey areas when there are some absolutes for good reasons. 

I think he was referencing the fallacies of the party-line absolutes, but I'll let him clear that up for himself.  There are absolutes, and there's nothing wrong with looking at issues as black or white, right or wrong.  The Kerry-like "nuances" introduced in 2004 are nothing more than opportunities to excuse yourself from lacking a strong value system.  It's spineless, weak, gutless, deadbeat politics. 
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Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand