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Quick Question About Jury Duty

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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #100 on: July 22, 2011, 02:30:32 PM »
Smooches!!!!!  I <3 your penis.

Look, all I'm saying is that it's silly that I'm being singled out as if all I do is follow people around when, in actuality, there are several threads in which others responded to my posts and told me that I was wrong; I'm not always the instigator, and even when I am, it's not a one-way street.

Another hard-headed response...  You wanted to introduce another social experiment into the military.  Now that they've permitted homosexuals in the military, the military must address all of the social issues that this social group brings along with them.  As the military must now deal with these new distractions, whether it be the establishment of new policies or the expenses associated with responding, defending, providing or subsidizing additional benefits and accommodations to account for this new social baggage, the military undoubtedly becomes diluted and less efficient.

The military has a process which breaks down people and rebuilds them.  Felons are a particular social group with issues that may pose problems in the military, but they're allowed into the Army and Marines, and it apparently works.

Now as far as any "social issues" that homosexuals may or may not bring to the table later down the road, such as demanding more rights, additional benefits, etc., that's simply a slippery slope argument.  Just because you grant them the ability to openly serve in the military doesn't mean that you also have to grant them X, Y and Z when they ask for it.

And, again, as much as you may think this is a "hard-headed response," your slippery slope arguments about new benefits and the funding for those benefits were not part of the initial discussion.  What was focused upon was whether the presence of openly homosexual servicemen would affect the efficiency of the military.  You brought up issues about heterosexuals feeling uncomfortable in foxholes, medical issues regarding HIV/AIDS, and generally how the mere presence of homosexuals (not the benefits that they may subsequently request) would affect the military.

Yeah...  All over the news...  And, you were glued to your TV screen.

They have the interwebs nowadays.  It's a system of tubes in which I can read news articles that interest me when I want, as opposed to having to be glued to a TV in order to catch what it is that I want to see at a specific time of day that may be ideal for me.

Seriously, when you jumped in and started posting, did you really analyze all of the facts, all of the evidence and all of the witness testimony prior to taking your defiant position?  I don't believe it.

I didn't just "jump in" and lecture anyone about how they were wrong.  THS asked if any attorneys thought the jury instructions affected the verdict.

Did you go senile and forget what my first substantive post stated?  I referenced the fact that there was no DNA on the duct tape, no DNA from blood in the trunk, only witness testimony regarding a smell in the trunk vs. an expert on bodily decomposition saying that a body could not have decomposed in the trunk, and no cause of death.  On that lack of evidence alone, you can't convict her of murder, manslaughter, negligence, or abuse, which I also stated in my initial post.

Did I investigate every piece of evidence?  Of course not...I don't need to know every minute detail of the trial to tell you that there wasn't enough evidence for a murder conviction.  No cause of death?  No DNA linking you to the body?  No eyewitness testimony of the death, or of you with the body, or of anyone with the body?  No time of death to compare with your alibi(s)?  Sorry, but that alone pretty much prevents a murder conviction.

And I don't believe that you reviewed all of the evidence either, so unless you're going to willingly admit that you're a hypocrite who thinks it's okay for you to take part in discussions when you haven't reviewed every single detail, but that it's not okay for others, then I don't see what the big deal is.

Ummm...  I believe that the surveillance video was linked within the article that I had originally posted at the start of that thread.

I wouldn't know; you just posted the text of the article.

To further clarify, I did watch the video prior to making my original post.

I wouldn't know; JR asked you if you had seen the video and you never answered his question.

I also did NOT adamantly defend the person who shot the thug.  I sympathized with his postion.  That was not pontificating on the legal merits of the case.  As I explained, I've been involved in a few potentially armed conflicts.  I sympathize with the situation and potential state-of-mind of the victim.  I don't believe the video adequately establishes the intent of the victim to murder someone.  It's easy to Monday-morning-quarterback and believe that a reasonable person would behave in a level-headed manner, but when you're thrown into a situation like that, keeping a level-head is about the hardest thing to do.

Well, I think that's where the problem lies:  you were speaking with attorneys, and you suggested to us what it is that a "reasonable person" would or should do.  There's a legal standard for reasonableness when it comes to self defense.  It's not really a bright line statutory rule (except in some instances, such as states with Castle Doctrine statutes and similar laws which spell out exactly when you can use deadly force), but it's detailed enough in various common law opinions that there's a pretty solid idea there.

So, when you tell us that the video wasn't enough to show intent to murder, and that his actions seemed "reasonable" to you, you're throwing down a lot of legal jargon that sets off alarms in our head.  You may personally think what he did was reasonable, but according to the law it wasn't.  You may not think that the video showed an intent to use deadly force which would likely result in death, but according to the law it did.

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TL/DR
« Reply #101 on: July 22, 2011, 04:52:02 PM »
This is the least informative thread about jury duty ever.
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Re: TL/DR
« Reply #102 on: July 22, 2011, 05:34:12 PM »
This is the least informative thread about jury duty ever.

I forgot about this thread.

They excused me August 8th-15th, but I have to be there the first week of August. 

Fuckers.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #103 on: July 22, 2011, 05:56:40 PM »
I like how the shortened title of this  thread is TL/DR.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #104 on: July 22, 2011, 05:59:31 PM »
I like how the shortened title of this  thread is TL/DR.

I still don't know what a diode is.
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Re: TL/DR
« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2011, 04:45:11 AM »
This is the least informative thread about jury duty ever.

Who the fuck wants to know about jury duty anyhow?  You fucking pansy...
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2011, 02:05:29 PM »
I like how the shortened title of this  thread is TL/DR.

Obviously you're not a reader.  No Shakespeare plays for you.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2011, 04:41:57 PM »
I like how the shortened title of this  thread is TL/DR.
Obviously you're not a reader.  No Shakespeare plays for you.
I thought you gays got along with thespians?
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Re: TL/DR
« Reply #108 on: July 23, 2011, 06:14:29 PM »
Who the fuck wants to know about jury duty anyhow?  You fucking pansy...

Apparently Townhallsavoy had a quick question about jury duty. I'm not entirely sure how someones interest in jury duty correlates to being a pansy though, but I'm no lawyer.
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Re: TL/DR
« Reply #109 on: July 23, 2011, 06:16:45 PM »
but I'm no lawyer.

There ya go!   :poke:
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #110 on: July 24, 2011, 04:14:17 PM »
Obviously you're not a reader.  No Shakespeare plays for you.

I thought you gays got along with thespians?

No, we just use them for sex.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2011, 09:51:16 AM »
Look, all I'm saying is that it's silly that I'm being singled out as if all I do is follow people around when, in actuality, there are several threads in which others responded to my posts and told me that I was wrong; I'm not always the instigator, and even when I am, it's not a one-way street.
You're not getting it again...  I thought you'd be able to figure it out by now. 

The military has a process...

Now as far as any "social issues" that...

And, again, as much as you may think this is a "hard-headed response," your slippery slope arguments about new benefits and the funding for those benefits were not part of the initial discussion.  What was focused upon was whether the presence of openly homosexual servicemen would affect the efficiency of the military.  You brought up issues about heterosexuals feeling uncomfortable in foxholes, medical issues regarding HIV/AIDS, and generally how the mere presence of homosexuals (not the benefits that they may subsequently request) would affect the military.
You've completely missed the point again...  Seriously...  The bulk of my responses were very much related to the accommodations associated with permitting homosexuals to serve in the military.  Healthcare, latrines, showers, bunks, benefits, etc. are all very much a part of that.  Thlippery thloap be damned!

I didn't just "jump in" and lecture anyone about how they were wrong.  THS asked if any attorneys thought the jury instructions affected the verdict.

Did you go senile and forget what my first substantive post stated?  I referenced the fact...
Most of your original rants on the topic = TL;DR...  You just don't seem to get it...  You appeared to jump to very stern and staunch position based on a cursory analysis of the case. 

And I don't believe that you reviewed all of the evidence either, so unless you're going to willingly admit that you're a hypocrite who thinks it's okay for you to take part in discussions when you haven't reviewed every single detail, but that it's not okay for others, then I don't see what the big deal is.
Wait a minute...  We can discuss this issue without having to review everything about it.  As I said above, the difference is you seemed to quickly jump to a very stern position without reviewing enough of the facts.  It goes with that know-everything theme of yours... 

I wouldn't know; you just posted the text of the article.

I wouldn't know; JR asked you if you had seen the video and you never answered his question.
I didn't have to respond as the answer should have been obvious... 

Well, I think that's where the problem lies:  you were speaking with attorneys, and you suggested to us what it is that a "reasonable person" would or should do.  There's a legal standard for reasonableness when it comes to self defense.  It's not really a bright line statutory rule (except in some instances, such as states with Castle Doctrine statutes and similar laws which spell out exactly when you can use deadly force), but it's detailed enough in various common law opinions that there's a pretty solid idea there.

So, when you tell us that the video wasn't enough to show intent to murder, and that his actions seemed "reasonable" to you, you're throwing down a lot of legal jargon that sets off alarms in our head.  You may personally think what he did was reasonable, but according to the law it wasn't.  You may not think that the video showed an intent to use deadly force which would likely result in death, but according to the law it did.
I started the thread.  It was my opinion based on the information that I understood at the time, and I was pretty clear about that from the beginning.  It was the lawyers who jumped into that thread swinging their cocks around and beating their chests while telling everybody the way it's supposed to be.  More of that know-everything attitude again...   

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There's hope.  I understand the military will soon be giving away free sphincteroplasty procedures for gay recruits.  Barney Frank is going to personally observe and test every single one of them. 
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2011, 10:13:27 AM »
The bulk of my responses were very much related to the accommodations associated with permitting homosexuals to serve in the military.  Healthcare, latrines, showers, bunks, benefits, etc. are all very much a part of that.

I recall you repeating that we would be allowing homosexuals to serve openly in the military "at the expense of others."  This is a vague statement that might refer to an actual expense incurred by the taxpayers, but then you went on to make statements about their presence affecting efficiency, people not being comfortable in foxholes, people being afraid to touch an injured homosexual, etc.  You even expressly stated that we would be "[forcing] things on others without regard for their personal values," and that "it's like forcing a Muslim to sleep with pigs."  These statements don't indicate a stance that is premised upon the economic aspect of accommodating a social group into the military.

Wait a minute...  We can discuss this issue without having to review everything about it.  As I said above, the difference is you seemed to quickly jump to a very stern position without reviewing enough of the facts.  It goes with that know-everything theme of yours...

And as I said above, my very first post cited enough facts about the case to show that a not guilty verdict on charges of murder, manslaughter, and abuse was warranted.

I started the thread.  It was my opinion based on the information that I understood at the time, and I was pretty clear about that from the beginning.  It was the lawyers who jumped into that thread swinging their cocks around and beating their chests while telling everybody the way it's supposed to be.  More of that know-everything attitude again...

Like I said, you were throwing around legal jargon, intentionally or not; our bad for letting it trigger us.  That will tend to happen when someone brings up a legal topic, utilizes legal jargon, and comes to a conclusion that is not legally sound.  This is especially the case when you say things that suggest you believe the conviction was legally improper, such as "I disagree with the prosecution on this," and "[t]he local municipality made an example of him."
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #113 on: July 25, 2011, 10:30:03 AM »
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #116 on: July 25, 2011, 12:32:58 PM »
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #117 on: July 25, 2011, 01:19:48 PM »
I recall you repeating that we would be allowing homosexuals to serve openly in the military "at the expense of others."  This is a vague statement that might refer to an actual expense incurred by the taxpayers, but then you went on to make statements about their presence affecting efficiency, people not being comfortable in foxholes, people being afraid to touch an injured homosexual, etc.  You even expressly stated that we would be "[forcing] things on others without regard for their personal values," and that "it's like forcing a Muslim to sleep with pigs."  These statements don't indicate a stance that is premised upon the economic aspect of accommodating a social group into the military.
Sure, I threw all of that out there, but again, the bulk of my responses were very much related to the accommodations associated with permitting homosexuals to serve in the military.  You, along with others, dismissed those concerns.  Now, here they come... 

And as I said above, my very first post cited enough facts about the case to show that a not guilty verdict on charges of murder, manslaughter, and abuse was warranted. 
You forgot your omnipotence... 

Like I said, you were throwing around legal jargon, intentionally or not; our bad for letting it trigger us.  That will tend to happen when someone brings up a legal topic, utilizes legal jargon, and comes to a conclusion that is not legally sound.  This is especially the case when you say things that suggest you believe the conviction was legally improper, such as "I disagree with the prosecution on this," and "[t]he local municipality made an example of him." 
Yeah...  Omnipotence...  You were too busy espousing your superior wisdom to understand the points of the discussion.  I still believe that this conviction was HORSE SQUEEZE, especially with the local hyphenated American community claiming that he was a racist who murdered an unarmed black man.  Nevermind the fact that he was committing a robbery at the time... 
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #118 on: July 25, 2011, 01:29:13 PM »
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
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