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Education Reform Is Needed!

Education Reform Is Needed!
« on: July 11, 2011, 10:28:52 PM »
Our education system is flawed.  It's going downhill.  It's 100% No Child Left Behind. 

I've ranted about this subject enough, but just to show how it's affecting everybody, check out this article.

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More than a third of Alabama high school graduates who attend college in-state must take remedial courses in their freshman year because they cannot do college-level work, an analysis of new data from the Alabama Commission on Higher Education shows.

According to The Birmingham News analysis, 34.4 percent of 2010 high school graduates who went on to Alabama's public two- and four-year colleges had to take at least one remedial course to bring their English or math skills up.

And for 223 of Alabama's 357 high schools -- including 40 of the 66 high schools in the Birmingham metro area -- the percentages of graduates needing remedial help in college are even higher than that. The number swells to more than 50 percent in many of Alabama's urban and rural areas, and exceeds 70 percent in some schools, data shows.

By that measure, the Birmingham city school district is among the worst-performing systems in the state. More than 50 percent of in-state college freshmen from six of the district's seven high schools had to take at least one remedial course in 2010.

For example, Carver High School had 217 graduates last year, with 76 of them going on to a public two- or four-year college in Alabama. Of those who went to college, 70 percent had to take at least one remedial course.
Ramsay High -- a magnet school that students must test to get into -- was the exception, with 18.2 percent of students attending Alabama public colleges having to take at least one remedial course.

Also ranked poorly are Bessemer City and Tarrant high schools, where 70 percent and 65 percent, respectively, had to take at least one remedial course.

Mountain Brook High School -- consistently among the top-performing schools in the state on standardized tests -- had the smallest percentage of students taking remedial courses in Alabama colleges, 4 percent.

The problems are hardly unique to Alabama. Although no national remedial average is available for last year, the 2010 Alabama average is similar to the most recent national figures available.

Gregory Fitch, the executive director of ACHE, said the numbers show that too many of the state's students aren't prepared for college. That means it's costing the state and students extra money and makes students less likely to finish college and become productive in the job market, he said.

"This is costing us double. It is impacting our work force, our competitiveness, our economic development and our future," he said.

Students don't earn credits for remedial courses and may not qualify for tuition aid, and many of those who take such courses don't complete college.

Alabama's economy would see an $80 million bump if it weren't for remedial students, according to a May report from the nonprofit Alliance for Excellent Education. That's $51 million in direct costs of remediation and $29 million in additional earnings the state is missing out on.

What's more, Fitch said, a weak foundation in math, reading and learning skills makes it more likely that students will drop out of college. Even those motivated to stick it out may hit financial obstacles. While students pay for remedial courses, they don't earn credit for them and may not be able to use scholarship money for them.

Students who need extra course work weigh down colleges and universities, which may have to shift state-appropriated money away from other programs or research to offer basic math and reading.

Fitch said that what's defined as remedial education varies from college to college, as do the requirements that determine who needs it.

For example, the University of Alabama at Birmingham uses a combination of ACT math scores and high school grade-point averages to determine whether freshmen need remedial math; ACT English scores below 20, or similar scores on a placement test, funnel students into remedial English, according to spokeswoman Dale Turnbough.

This fall, the university offered nine remedial English classes and 16 sections of remedial math. And those numbers are down from a few years ago because of tighter admissions standards.

Instead of admitting low-performing high school students, many of the state's bigger schools instead encourage them to attend local community colleges first, where they may need to take their remedial classes. Prospective UAB students can attend Jefferson State and Lawson State but get special counseling through the UAB Connections program.

Fitch said Auburn University, which reports no remedial students, and the University of Alabama have similar set-ups. That can push much of the burden to the two-year schools, which estimate up to 60 percent of their students require remedial work.

College and career ready

The Obama administration's proposal for rewriting the 2001 No Child Left Behind Act calls for doing away with the goal of 100 percent proficiency in reading and math by 2014 in favor of getting students "college and career ready" by the time they graduate from high school.

Loosely, that means making sure that students are prepared for college-level, credit-bearing courses in college, or for a job that can support a family.

But according to national data from the U.S. Department of Education from the 2007-08 school year -- the most recent national data available -- 36 percent of students who attended a four-year college and 42 percent who attended a two-year college took at least one remedial course their freshman year.

Clearly, there is work to be done, said Sharon Lee Miller, director of academic and technical education for the U.S. Department of Education.

"Right now, the stats cited show we are not doing a good job preparing our students for college," Miller said.

"One of the problems is that the two levels -- secondary and post-secondary -- aren't communicating with each other."

Miller said secondary and post-secondary officials need to align their standards so high school students can seamlessly transition into college without being held back by remedial courses.

"Some of these students are surprised when they take a placement test and are told they have to be in a remedial course," Miller said. "They think they've taken everything in high school that they were supposed to take, but then go into college and aren't ready for the work."

Jerome Cook, principal of Bessemer City High School, said that's happened to many of his students who went into college.

After hearing how many students have to enroll in remedial courses in college, Cook decided this year to begin a remediation, enrichment and intervention program at the high school that will use scores from the Alabama High School Graduation Exam to target students who need extra attention.

"I don't think it's fair that some of these kids are leaving with A's and B's and then go into college and have to take remedial courses," he said. "I think they've dumbed down the curriculum trying to make sure students have good GPAs and test scores, and it's hurting these kids in the long run."

Birmingham school Superintendent Craig Witherspoon was startled by the data he saw for all seven Birmingham high schools, including Ramsay. While Ramsay had 18 percent of graduates who had to take remedial courses in Alabama public colleges, a much lower percentage than other Birmingham schools, Witherspoon said that is still too high.

"It's obvious by these numbers that there is work to be done," he said. "Part of what we've been doing the last year is evaluating the curriculum -- kindergarten through 12th grade -- to see where we need to work.

"Problems like these manifest themselves in high school, obviously, but we know nationally that these things start at the elementary level."

Progress

State school Superintendent Joe Morton said that while work is needed at the high school level, Alabama has shown progress over the years.

"We're not doing as good of a job as we should be doing at preparing students for college," he said. "But if you look at the states that have shown improvement in the last five to 10 years, I think Alabama would be one of those states."

For example, Alabama made the highest gains in the nation in fourth-grade reading in 2008 on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, also known as the Nation's Report Card.

Morton said the state is establishing a Career and Technical Education Commission, which will review high school career-tech programs and offerings, research employers' work force needs and study ways to create a seamless transition between K-12 and post-secondary preparation for careers.

"With this commission, I am very optimistic we will do better than we have," he said.

Fitch said ACHE started collecting remediation data in 2007 to call attention to the problem. He argues that higher education administrators need to talk to K-12 educators so they know what students will need to succeed. And, he says, teachers need to catch underperforming students as early as kindergarten and keep them reading and doing math on grade level, even if that means holding them back.

"You do not create an engineer or a researcher in their senior year of high school or their freshman year of college," Fitch said. "You start them in second, third or fourth grade."

Birmingham News staff writers Hannah Wolfson and Jeff Hansen contributed to this report.

Join the conversation by clicking to comment or e-mail Leech at mleech@bhamnews.com.

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"I don't think it's fair that some of these kids are leaving with A's and B's and then go into college and have to take remedial courses," he said. "I think they've dumbed down the curriculum trying to make sure students have good GPAs and test scores, and it's hurting these kids in the long run."

This is the most glaring quote.  You have no idea what's being pushed in public schools.  Direct quotes from my principal all the way to the county's superintendent - "You're here to do your job which is to get these kids graduated and with scores good enough to get into college." 

And that's our job. 

I meet once a week with a college professor at the University of Montevallo, and he said about four-five years ago, they noticed a surplus of students who don't have the basic skills needed to attend college.  It got so bad that if they kicked them out, it would damage enrollment. 

They started the Freshman Early Alert Program to help these kids before they flunk out. 

Imagine being back in college, not knowing basic algebra, and having your calculus professor help you in algebra before he failed you.  When I was in college, my professor would have laughed me off the premises. 

Until we do an overhaul of the entire system (from tenure to curriculum to expectations to everything), this is only going to get worse.
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Re: Education Reform Is Needed!
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 10:33:24 PM »
I hate No Child Left Behind, but education was fucked before it. It just made things worse.
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Re: Education Reform Is Needed!
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 11:02:56 PM »
It's all about the $$$.
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Re: Education Reform Is Needed!
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 11:35:49 PM »
Wut r u talkin' bout? LOL.
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Re: Education Reform Is Needed!
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 01:03:23 PM »
It all started with integration. <Go ahead and blast me as a racist>

I'm not talking about the fact that blacks were allowed in white schools. I'm talking about the implementation of integration.

Instead of bringing all students together to study at the highest level, we had the great minority leaders scream that subjects and tests were "geared" for white people. So instead of saying so what and having all students work to achieve the highest level, we brought the overall benchmark down so as not to seem racist.

And this same thought process has pervaded our educational system ever since.

Regardless of race, color, head size, or type air Jordan's you wear, sometimes we need to leave a kid behind. We went from one of the greatest educational systems on earth to average in a short span 40 years. When mediocrity is the norm, you develop fewer great minds and begin to depend on other countries for great achievements. We are becoming the UK and are too dumb-downed to realize it.
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Re: Education Reform Is Needed!
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 01:31:30 PM »
It all started with integration. <Go ahead and blast me as a racist>

I'm not talking about the fact that blacks were allowed in white schools. I'm talking about the implementation of integration.

Instead of bringing all students together to study at the highest level, we had the great minority leaders scream that subjects and tests were "geared" for white people. So instead of saying so what and having all students work to achieve the highest level, we brought the overall benchmark down so as not to seem racist.

And this same thought process has pervaded our educational system ever since.

Regardless of race, color, head size, or type air Jordan's you wear, sometimes we need to leave a kid behind. We went from one of the greatest educational systems on earth to average in a short span 40 years. When mediocrity is the norm, you develop fewer great minds and begin to depend on other countries for great achievements. We are becoming the UK and are too dumb-downed to realize it.

You're exactly right.  This "No Child Left Behind" merely exacerbated the pre-existing trend.  Integration introduced demented forms of equality and fairness.  The problem is not with integration itself.  It's how we reacted and dealt with it.  Lowering the norm...  Declining standards...  Catering to the lowest common denominator...  These situations existed long before "No Child Left Behind."
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Re: Education Reform Is Needed!
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 01:52:37 PM »
It all started with integration. <Go ahead and blast me as a racist>

I'm not talking about the fact that blacks were allowed in white schools. I'm talking about the implementation of integration.

Instead of bringing all students together to study at the highest level, we had the great minority leaders scream that subjects and tests were "geared" for white people. So instead of saying so what and having all students work to achieve the highest level, we brought the overall benchmark down so as not to seem racist.

And this same thought process has pervaded our educational system ever since.

Regardless of race, color, head size, or type air Jordan's you wear, sometimes we need to leave a kid behind. We went from one of the greatest educational systems on earth to average in a short span 40 years. When mediocrity is the norm, you develop fewer great minds and begin to depend on other countries for great achievements. We are becoming the UK and are too dumb-downed to realize it.

Amen, brotha. 

It should have been a difficult, long term process to bring uneducated families up to par. 

African Americans were going to be at a disadvantage because they had very little foundation for learning.  You can't just fix that in one generation. 

Bringing down the expectations does nothing for them, and it only hurts those that are capable of being highly intelligent. 

NCLB has broadened the spectrum.  We're no longer just concerned about what slavery and segregation did to blacks.  We're concerned with kids who don't read very quickly.  Kids who struggle in math.  Kids of all races who struggle with self-esteem issues.  Kids who refuse to pay attention.  Kids who refuse to behave. 

Instead of building them up, we just lowered the standards.  And we made the standards a government generated concept. 
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Re: Education Reform Is Needed!
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 02:03:52 PM »
VOUCHERS!

Try it and see how the landscape changes. It will not just benefit the rich white people. Good schools will pop up all over the place and students who WANT to be educated will attend and be successful.

Let public education compete for students. 
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.