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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1240 on: May 04, 2016, 12:33:47 PM »
Agreed. That is why the GOP didn't want Cruz either in my opinion.

Rubio lost it on immigration.

Cruz fought a good fight but was done in by his fellow republicans' lack commitment to their promise to the people. Anyone associated with current politics got a black eye.

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5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1241 on: May 04, 2016, 12:57:54 PM »
Is it too late to get Rudy G back in the mix?

He's always been my guy. 
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1242 on: May 04, 2016, 02:31:07 PM »
Is it too late to get Rudy G back in the mix?

He's always been my guy.
Cleaning up New York from the 70s and 80s ain't easy. He was a great mayor and leader no doubt.
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1243 on: May 04, 2016, 02:32:57 PM »
Agreed. That is why the GOP didn't want Cruz either in my opinion.

Rand Paul and Scott Walker were my first choices. But I always held Cruz in high regard for his "power of the purse" filibuster of obamacare. That meant something to me. Same with Rubio on everything but Gang of 8. 
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1244 on: May 04, 2016, 02:34:00 PM »
Kasich OUT!


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278602-kasich-quits-presidential-race

Huge loss  :taunt:

Nothing against ole Jonny but he should have left the race after Florida. It showed he was viable nowhere but Ohio.
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1245 on: May 04, 2016, 02:35:38 PM »
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1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1248 on: May 05, 2016, 09:26:48 AM »
Negatives:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html

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A message for my fellow Republicans: If you back Trump you will not be trusted again
By David Ross Meyers  Published May 03, 2016  FoxNews.com

It was once unimaginable. Now Donald J. Trump – the reality TV star, questionable businessman, and political bomb thrower – is on the verge of becoming a major party’s presidential candidate.

When Mr. Trump ran for president on the Reform Party ticket in 2000, his candidacy was scoffed at. He was an unserious man running for the most serious position in the free world, and everyone knew it.

Yet now, many Americans – from the public, to the media, to politicians in Washington, D.C. – seem to be acquiescing to the idea of a Donald Trump candidacy and presidency.

The entire country seems to be falling down the rabbit hole.

Donald Trump is unfit to be president of the United States for reasons almost too numerous to mention.

First, Donald Trump’s sole motivation for seeking the presidency is Donald Trump. His careers in business, reality television, and politics have been marked by personal ambition, self-aggrandizement, and a willingness to do or say anything to achieve power, fame, or notoriety. He is exactly the kind of demagogue that our founders feared might try to seek the Presidency for his own personal gain.

Furthermore, Trump lacks the judgment, character, and emotional stability to be president. Given his frequent public outbursts and lack of self-restraint, the thought of Mr. Trump controlling our military and nuclear weapons is unacceptable. The GOP, which has spent decades claiming to be the party of national security, should have been the first to declare Trump unfit for the presidency.

Instead, the opposite has happened. As Trump moves closer to the GOP nomination, many Republican leaders in Washington and across the country have begun to embrace him. Most have not done so because they truly believe in Mr. Trump, but because they have been blinded by personal ambition, ideology, and partisan politics.

Some opportunistic politicians, like Governors Chris Christie and Paul LePage, endorsed Mr. Trump early on in the hopes of future personal benefit. (Mr. LePage, for example, privately proposed that the GOP disavow Mr. Trump on February 20. Six days later, he endorsed him. What else could explain that change besides pure political calculation?)

Worse still are those Republicans who privately (or publicly) oppose Mr. Trump, yet will support him as the Party’s nominee.

From 2006 to 2009, I worked in the White House for George W. Bush. As an actor and writer in New York, this isn’t always a popular thing to tell people. But I do, because I am proud to have worked for a president who led with principle and conviction. As a West Wing staffer, I saw firsthand that President Bush’s sole motivation was to do what he thought was best for our country. People may have disagreed with his policies, but they couldn’t disagree with his intentions.

From 2009 to 2010, I spent a year working for Congressional Republicans. In contrast to my time at the White House, I saw that many in Congress put their personal and partisan interests ahead of the country’s needs. Many times, the GOP’s only agenda was to defeat Barack Obama at all costs. It didn’t matter what Obama’s policy was; all that mattered was winning and eventually regaining power for the GOP.

This desire for control of the presidency, and the belief that any Republican is better than any Democrat, is why many Republicans are now embracing Trump. They claim that the GOP needs to coalesce behind Mr. Trump because he is a better alternative than Hillary Clinton. He is not. 

To begin with, Mr. Trump has autocratic tendencies, and openly admires tyrants such as Vladimir Putin. In fact, his narcissism and cult of personality leadership style seem better suited to countries like North Korea and Uzbekistan than America. Trump has repeatedly attacked core conservative principles such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and American leadership on the world stage. He has incited the use of violence against his detractors, called on America to commit war crimes, and suggested the possibility of civil unrest if he is denied the GOP nomination.


Mr. Trump proclaims that he’s going to make America great again, but can’t provide any realistic plans for doing so; instead, he frequently resorts to scapegoating outsiders, foreigners, and minorities. The few policies that Trump has articulated would make America less safe, trample upon our most fundamental rights, and appeal to the basest instincts of the American people.

While I disagree with many of Hillary Clinton’s policies, she is clearly qualified to be president. She possesses judgment and self-restraint. She does not have a track record of irrational, risky, and unsound business decisions and public comments. She has a long record of public service. She can be trusted with controlling our military and nuclear weapons. Mr. Trump cannot.

Any Republican who claims that it’s better to elect Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton either lacks proper judgment, or has become so blinded by partisan ideology that they have lost objectivity.


Many of the GOP voters who support Trump are backing his candidacy because they are desperate for change in Washington. But Republican leaders who embrace Trump aren’t hearing the public’s message or embracing change. Instead, they’re doing what they have always done: whatever is necessary to gain or retain political power.

I saw the same thing happen during my time in Washington with the rise of the Tea Party. Instead of adopting the movement’s more valid positions, such as a real crackdown on Wall Street and corporate America, many Republicans jumped on the bandwagon of hate and divisive rhetoric because they thought it was their best chance of being re-elected.

Yes, Mr. Trump has populist support. But a true leader doesn’t jump on the populist bandwagon – especially when that bandwagon threatens to irretrievably harm their country and party. A true leader explains why that candidate cannot and should not be trusted, and is willing to suffer any consequences that might result from standing strongly behind their position.

Alexander Hamilton has become a cultural zeitgeist recently due to the success of the Broadway musical about his life. Yet Americans are responding to more than a brilliant piece of theatre. They are responding to a time of great men and women in American history -- true leaders who put their love of country above their personal ambitions or partisan ideologies.

In fact, Hamilton faced a choice similar to the one Republicans are facing today. During the election of 1800, Hamilton had to choose between endorsing Thomas Jefferson, his life-long political rival with whom he disagreed on almost every major issue – or Aaron Burr, a dishonest man of flawed character, who many feared would lead America down a dangerous path of tyranny and oppression. Mr. Hamilton chose to endorse Jefferson.   

There is still time to stop Donald Trump from becoming the GOP nominee. Republicans must speak out loudly and forcefully against his candidacy – and they must oppose Trump even if he becomes the party’s nominee.

The United States of America was built on 240 years of blood, toil, and sacrifice. We owe our ancestors, and our children, so much better than handing this country over to a man of Mr. Trump’s character and intentions.

Voters will not forget those individuals who supported Mr. Trump. And any Republican who endangers our nation by supporting Donald Trump will not be trusted again.

David Meyers worked in the West Wing of the White House as Assistant Staff Secretary from 2006 to 2009 and Communications Project Director. From 2009 to 2010, he worked as a Communications Advisor for the Senate Republican Leadership. He is now an actor, writer, and Ph.D. candidate in Political Science.
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1249 on: May 05, 2016, 09:35:02 AM »
Hillary is no doubt a better politician and knows the ins and outs better. She's as crooked as a question mark.

She's also a Chicago bred and trained Marxist in the shadow of Saul Alinsky. She hides her extreme leftist positions much better than Bernie. To me that is more dangerous.
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« Reply #1250 on: May 05, 2016, 09:41:32 AM »
Negatives:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html

Ha. So because I think Trump would be better for the US than Hillary, I lack complete judgement or I am blind. Sounds like a legit stance.

Or, I actually like the positives more than I dislike the negatives. Naaaahhh. That can't be it. I have to be a completely blind moron who is incapable of any reasonable judgement.
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1251 on: May 05, 2016, 09:44:50 AM »
"...she is clearly qualified to be president. She possesses judgment and self-restraint. She does not have a track record of irrational, risky, and unsound business decisions and public comments. She has a long record of public service. She can be trusted with controlling our military and nuclear weapons."


For the most part, the author didn't attack Trumps policies, he focused on character, which quite honestly is my biggest drawback with him.  Way too loose of a cannon.  But, this part right here made the entire article moot.^^^
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1252 on: May 05, 2016, 09:44:58 AM »
Negatives:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html
So, getting on here and posting something written by a guy who was once a freaking secretary and now a part-time actor is supposed to change my mind?

Because the "dude" knows how to take shorthand, he's more adept at choosing our next president than I am? Because he's better at getting coffee? Or, is better at operating the fax machine?

o.k. Thanks, man.
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1253 on: May 05, 2016, 10:13:17 AM »
Really good article.
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These are the only four things they think Trump might be better than Hillary on?

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1. ObamaCare. I know some of you don't believe it because Trump has talked in the past about believing in single-payer health care, and you're convinced he meant it then and doesn't mean anything he says now. What I think is that Trump has never been ideologically committed to any particular belief on this, but he knows how to recognize when something is not working, and ObamaCare is clearly not working. Assuming we can hang onto Republican control of Congress - which is no easy proposition, but if Trump wins it might be possible - there is no doubt in my mind Trump would sign a Republican-sponsored bill that repeals ObamaCare and replaces it with something better for doctors and patients. And there is no doubt in my mind that Hillary would veto it.
Paraphrasing: Trump himself has said many times in the past and even during this campaign that he likes the mandate and that he supports a single payer healthcare system, left of what Obama implemented or Hillary endorses. Trump and Bernie are the only ones talking about single payer. Yeah, but still. Now that his handlers tell him he's supposed to hate Obamacare, he wants to replace it with something "terrific" now. Nothing specific, but how can you argue with "terrific"? He also said it would cost less so if he said that it must be true. He'll work out the details later. Just gotta trust him on this.

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2. The Supreme Court. Whether Merrick Garland is confirmed or not, someone is eventually going to replace Antonin Scalia. If Hillary makes the choice, it is guaranteed to be another left-wing Justice who views the Constitution as a mere inconvenience, as do Justices Sotomayer, Kagan, Breyer and Ginsburg. But it gets worse. Much worse. Breyer and Ginsburg are near or past 80 years old, as is Justice Anthony Kennedy, the so-called swing vote. Any or all could very well retire during the next presidential term, and Hillary would replace them all with much younger liberals who will guarantee a liberal majority for at least a generation. And if any of the court's three actual conservatives were to die or have to retire for some reason, God help us. Trump may not be a committed ideological conservative, but he's not a committed liberal either. There is at least a chance he will make good appointments to the Supreme Court. There is no chance Hillary will.
First of all, Garland is about as centrist as a Supreme Court justice can possibly be. The GOP fucked up making a stink over him to begin with. But yeah, with Trump, hey, there's a chance maybe he won't pick a liberal. Unless you believe what he says, but hey what does he know. When he said he'd appoint his Democrat sister who ruled in favor of Planned Parenthood on legalizing late term partial birth abortions, not to worry, that was merely a goof. But it's not like, he himself is pro-choice, except, oh yeah, he is. Unless he isn't. Depends on which way the wind is blowing.

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3. Domestic Energy. Hillary has already told us she wants to put coal miners out of business. She would certainly not give the Keystone XL pipeline another chance. And there's no reason to think she wouldn't continue Obama's policy of stopping oil exploration on federal lands. Trump would do the opposite on all three.
Oh noes! Hillary says she wants to move to modernized, renewable, sustainable, clean energy sources! I know, you guys think climate scientists are a bunch of lying faggots.

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4. Foreign policy. I don't like everything about Trump's foreign policy instincts, particularly his wrong-headed take on the Iraq War. But Trump would treat our allies like friends and our enemies like people who need to fear us, not push us around. Trump would surely not make terrible deals like the Iran nuclear deal or the giveaway of diplomatic relations with Cuba for absolutely nothing in return. I have concerns about Trump on trade policy, but they are no different than what I think Hillary would do. On balance, Trump would be much better on foreign policy - and he would surely be more supportive of our military forces than a woman who clearly holds them in contempt.
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He can't pronounce "Tanzania" or say anything remotely intelligible about the middle east. BUT HE'S GONNA MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR THE WALL! HE SAID IT HIMSELF! Also, he's gonna "BOMB THE SHIT" out of Iraq!!! Didn't you hear him? And the Trans Pacific Pipeline is "is a deal that was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."even though China isn't part of the TPP. But he's gonna bring back waterboarding and "much worse", kill the families of terrorists, and whatever other war crimes he wants because fuck the Geneva convention. I can't begin to scratch the surface on the litany of completely idiotic shit that comes out of this man's mouth about foreign policy.

But Hillary tho! The former Secratary of State supported the war in Iraq (Trump didn't), supports free trade (Trump doesn't). Oh and she's not a complete fucking idiot who will (and has already) taunted foreign leaders. She doesn't look up to dictators.

Read this. All of this.
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11141308/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-max-boot

That article is the written word version of those "LYNE TED!" Cruz protesters. Ignorant of facts and proud.

Otherwise, good article, though.  :taunt:
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1254 on: May 05, 2016, 10:18:48 AM »
Ha. So because I think Trump would be better for the US than Hillary, I lack complete judgement or I am blind. Sounds like a legit stance.

Or, I actually like the positives more than I dislike the negatives. Naaaahhh. That can't be it. I have to be a completely blind moron who is incapable of any reasonable judgement.
Yes.

You thought that other article from Herman Cain's site was "really good", so yes.

It is devoid of facts or logic and mostly relies on verifiable falsehoods.

So, yes.
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1255 on: May 05, 2016, 10:28:43 AM »
OMG. He linked VOX again...

If I only get those four things out of Trump, it will be more than ANY conservative in the last 20 years has given us!
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2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1257 on: May 05, 2016, 10:53:33 AM »
OMG. He linked VOX again...

If I only get those four things out of Trump, it will be more than ANY conservative in the last 20 years has given us!
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1258 on: May 05, 2016, 10:54:13 AM »
Oh boo fucking hoo. 

Fuck him.
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Re: Here's the Republican front runner...
« Reply #1259 on: May 05, 2016, 10:56:29 AM »
:taunt:


These are the only four things they think Trump might be better than Hillary on?
Paraphrasing: Trump himself has said many times in the past and even during this campaign that he likes the mandate and that he supports a single payer healthcare system, left of what Obama proposes or Hillary endorses. Trump and Bernie are the only ones talking about single payer. Yeah, but still. Now that his handlers tell him he's supposed to hate Obamacare, he wants to replace it with something "terrific" now. Nothing specific, but how can you argue with "terrific"? He also said it would cost less so if he said that it must be true. He'll work out the details later. Just gotta trust him on this.
First of all, Garland is about as centrist as a Supreme Court justice can possibly be. The GOP fucked up making a stink over him to begin with. But yeah, with Trump, hey, there's a chance maybe he won't pick a liberal. Unless you believe what he says, but hey what does he know. When he said he'd appoint his Democrat sister who ruled in favor of Planned Parenthood on legalizing late term partial birth abortions, not to worry, that was merely a goof. But it's not like, he himself is pro-choice, except, oh yeah, he is. Unless he isn't. Depends on which way the wind is blowing.
Oh noes! Hillary says she wants to move to modernized, renewable, sustainable, clean energy sources! I know, you guys think climate scientists are a bunch of lying faggots.
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He can't pronounce "Tanzania" or say anything remotely intelligible about the middle east. BUT HE'S GONNA MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR THE WALL! HE SAID IT HIMSELF! Also, he's gonna "BOMB THE SHIT" out of Iraq!!! Didn't you hear him? And the Trans Pacific Pipeline is "is a deal that was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."even though China isn't part of the TPP. But he's gonna bring back waterboarding and "much worse", kill the families of terrorists, and whatever other war crimes he wants because fuck the Geneva convention. I can't begin to scratch the surface on the litany of completely idiotic shit that comes out of this man's mouth about foreign policy.

But Hillary tho! The former Secratary of State supported the war in Iraq (Trump didn't), supports free trade (Trump doesn't). Oh and she's not a complete fucking idiot who will (and has already) taunted foreign leaders. She doesn't look up to dictators.

Read this. All of this.
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11141308/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-max-boot

That article is the written word version of those "LYNE TED!" Cruz protesters. Ignorant of facts and proud.

Otherwise, good article, though.  :taunt:

Just a thought here....but....

Is it possible this is all an act by trump? Havent they said as much?

Misspeaking, appealing to blue dog dems, union workers and lower income whites with many of the populist from the hip speeches? It's very plausible. And why? In addition to the aforementioned votes being needed to get the nod, he maybe saw it as a "whatever means needed to the end". To come across as relateable to more the common man and the pissed off blue collar worker. Perhaps? I've read things of his "Deep South play book". This may be what that was.

Not endorsing or dogging anyone here, just some analysis.
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