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Obama born in Hawaii?
« on: June 15, 2010, 09:08:15 AM »
Maybe not.

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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 09:34:13 AM »
How about probably not?

He could put this all to rest with a long form birth cert like every other President has.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 10:07:16 AM »
I thought he was born in a manger. Man I  am just getting all kind of bad information from the leftist media.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2010, 10:09:42 AM »
I thought he was born in a manger. Man I  am just getting all kind of bad information from the leftist media.

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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2010, 10:12:31 AM »
Great thread!  Would read again.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 11:44:31 AM »
I thought he was born in a manger. Man I  am just getting all kind of bad information from the leftist media.


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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 02:30:19 PM »
  Sorry to rain on your parade:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

BTW, doesn't crap like this belong in the politics forum?
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 02:31:33 PM »
  Sorry to rain on your parade:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

BTW, doesn't crap like this belong in the politics forum?

Snap.



So it did happen in a manger?
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"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shitty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."

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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 03:03:43 PM »
 Sorry to rain on your parade:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

BTW, doesn't crap like this belong in the politics forum?


He'll always be The Kenyan in the White House to me.

And, yes, in my opinion this does belong in The SGA.

Further, and not to be too petty, the Snopes article does not seem to mention that The ONE was, in fact, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of his father's citizenship until 4 Aug 1984 when he lost his right to chose between the nation of his father's birth and his own birthplace.

Source: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html
« Last Edit: June 15, 2010, 03:17:30 PM by Tarheel »
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 03:53:13 PM »
Snopes is a liberal website and much of their findings are "opinion".

Still - no long form Birth Certificate. Still waiting Barack.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 09:51:19 PM »
Snopes is owned and run by a Jewish couple.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 11:18:22 PM »
  Sorry to rain on your parade:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

BTW, doesn't crap like this belong in the politics forum?

You are confusing two different internet rumors.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 03:06:12 PM »
Snopes is a liberal website and much of their findings are "opinion".

Still - no long form Birth Certificate. Still waiting Barack.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 04:23:16 PM »
Snopes is owned and run by a Jewish couple.

And we all know how those fucking Jews are!   :vn:
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2010, 04:36:37 PM »
And we all know how those phuking Jews are!   :vn:


Yeah....bunch of liberal, money grubbing....umm...people....all with names ending in "berg" and "stein".  Stupid Jews.  Snopes is a poo-poo head site.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 09:58:54 AM »
Its snopes' opinion in that link that he was born in Hawaii. They have no long form Birth Cert to back it up. Its just what they "think". You guys can read the text in the link just like me.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2010, 01:25:49 PM »
Its snopes' opinion in that link that he was born in Hawaii. They have no long form Birth Cert to back it up. Its just what they "think". You guys can read the text in the link just like me.
So...seriously...you think Snopes.com is a biased liberal thinktank?

You serious, Clark?

No wonder you think Fox News is the least biased television news source...
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 02:16:24 PM »
So...seriously...you think Snopes.com is a biased liberal thinktank?

You serious, Clark?

No wonder you think Fox News is the least biased television news source...

show me where I said they were a "liberal think tank"......

Ran by admitted liberals with an admitted liberal bias = liberal think tank to Chad.  You sure you aren't a democrat? You spin like one. I honestly don't watch Foxnews that much. They don't influence my opinion much at all.

Some good info on Snopes and their owners (cited with references):

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_is_snopescom_run_by_very_democratic_proprietors.html

I will say - for the most part Snopes does decent FACT checking, but there are some instances where the FACT CHECKING is anything but and turns into an editorial article of what they THINK. The Obama birth certificate issue is one of those cases. They can't really prove anything to the contrary so what they have done (if you read the link Hogwally provided) is give you what they think.
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 03:01:55 PM »
show me where I said they were a "liberal think tank"......

Ran by admitted liberals with an admitted liberal bias = liberal think tank to Chad.  You sure you aren't a democrat? You spin like one. I honestly don't watch Foxnews that much. They don't influence my opinion much at all.

Some good info on Snopes and their owners (cited with references):

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_is_snopescom_run_by_very_democratic_proprietors.html

I will say - for the most part Snopes does decent FACT checking, but there are some instances where the FACT CHECKING is anything but and turns into an editorial article of what they THINK. The Obama birth certificate issue is one of those cases. They can't really prove anything to the contrary so what they have done (if you read the link Hogwally provided) is give you what they think.
Based on the fact that there is no valid proof to the contrary and the burden of proof is on those who make the wild claim that he is not born in the United States.

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Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims (i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don't pan out: the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front. Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers (the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961:
-Fact, not opinion



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In August 2008, Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg included claims of a forged certificate (among other rumors) as the basis for a suit in U.S. District Court challenging Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency on the grounds that Obama was actually born in Kenya (not Hawaii) and/or subsequently gave up his U.S. citizenship and thus does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. In October 2008 a federal judge dismissed the complaint:

In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."
-Disproven in a court of law

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In October 2008, and again in July 2009, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified that Barack Obama's original birth certificate was in the Hawaii State Department's files:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."
-Fact, not opinion.

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A birth certificate produced in August 2009 which purportedly documented that Barack Obama was born in Kenya was quickly revealed to be a forgery.
-Fact, not opinion.
 
Seriously, how can you read that and think it is some baseless editorial on what they "think"?
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Re: Obama born in Hawaii?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 04:39:13 PM »
I am not a 'Birther' but I do find the background of Barack Hussein Obama (or is it Barry Obama or is it Barry Soetoro?) suspicious.  His paternal grandmother says he was born in Kenya.  His maternal grandmother says he was born in Hawaii.  His teacher at the madrasah in Indonesia where he was educated said he's Indonesian.  A parliamentarian in Kenya said he was Kenyan.  His Hawaiian birth certificate was issued on word of his maternal grandmother only.  And each time a story, article, or even a blog is made about this issue with proof it seems to be scrubbed from teh interwebs.  It's suspicious and it keeps fanning the flames of distrust further stoked by the 'Birthers'.

In my opinion he may have been born in Hawaii but ideologically he's no more American than his Father was; he proved that to me on his American Apology Tour last year.  He proved that to me when he bowed to the Saudi king...and the Japanese Emperor.  No President makes that gesture to anyone I don't care if you're Emperor of the Universe.  He proved that to me again when he evicted the bust of Winston Churchill from the White House.

I think that commentator Dorothy Rabinowitz hit the nail on the head last week when she wrote the following in the Wall Street Journal, all emphasis is my own as usual:
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{I}t was clear from the first that this president—single-minded, ever-visible, confident in his program for a reformed America saved from darkness by his arrival—was wanting in certain qualities citizens have until now taken for granted in their presidents. Namely, a tone and presence that said: This is the Americans' leader, a man of them, for them, the nation's voice and champion.

Those qualities to be expected in a president were never about rhetoric; Mr. Obama had proved himself a dab hand at that on the campaign trail. They were a matter of identification with the nation and to all that binds its people together in pride and allegiance. These are feelings held deep in American hearts, unvoiced mostly, but unmistakably there and not only on the Fourth of July.

A great part of America now understands that this president's sense of identification lies elsewhere, and is in profound ways unlike theirs. He is hard put to sound convincingly like the leader of the nation, because he is, at heart and by instinct, the voice mainly of his ideological class. He is the alien in the White House, a matter having nothing to do with delusions about his birthplace...


Full article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703302604575294231631318728.html

So write what you will defending this man, give him all the cover you want, but he'll still be the Kenyan to me until the day he is evicted from the White House by the electorate...and Winston Churchill's bust is back.

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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson