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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: bottomfeeder on June 05, 2010, 09:48:07 PM
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It's a goddamn conspiracy I'm telling you. Using poison to make the poisonous crude affects worse and lasting by sinking it. And the dispersant presently used is four to ten times as poisonous. This product has been around since around 1997.
Amerihaz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvqaXFVAabo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvqaXFVAabo#)
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/onnnews/stories/2010/05/17/story-scientist-oil-spill-columbus.html (http://www.10tv.com/live/content/onnnews/stories/2010/05/17/story-scientist-oil-spill-columbus.html)
http://amerihaz.wordpress.com/mission-statement/ (http://amerihaz.wordpress.com/mission-statement/)
http://anticorruptionsociety.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mc-on-d-raines.mp3 (http://anticorruptionsociety.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mc-on-d-raines.mp3)
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It's a goddamn conspiracy I'm telling you. Using poison to make the poisonous crude affects worse and lasting by sinking it. And the dispersant presently used is four to ten times as poisonous. This product has been around since around 1997.
Amerihaz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvqaXFVAabo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvqaXFVAabo#)
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/onnnews/stories/2010/05/17/story-scientist-oil-spill-columbus.html (http://www.10tv.com/live/content/onnnews/stories/2010/05/17/story-scientist-oil-spill-columbus.html)
http://amerihaz.wordpress.com/mission-statement/ (http://amerihaz.wordpress.com/mission-statement/)
http://anticorruptionsociety.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mc-on-d-raines.mp3 (http://anticorruptionsociety.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mc-on-d-raines.mp3)
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So, you're advocating that we do nothing?
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The secondary relief well is gonna be the ultimate solution but I think everyone needs to strongly look at the root cause here which is making oil companies drill in unchartered territory (5+ feet) due to environmental lobbying. This would have been much easier to deal with on land (ANWAR) or in shallow water. But screw it - the EPA says it, it happens.
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It's a goddamn conspiracy I'm telling you. Using poison to make the poisonous crude affects worse and lasting by sinking it. And the dispersant presently used is four to ten times as poisonous. This product has been around since around 1997.
Amerihaz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvqaXFVAabo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvqaXFVAabo#)
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/onnnews/stories/2010/05/17/story-scientist-oil-spill-columbus.html (http://www.10tv.com/live/content/onnnews/stories/2010/05/17/story-scientist-oil-spill-columbus.html)
http://amerihaz.wordpress.com/mission-statement/ (http://amerihaz.wordpress.com/mission-statement/)
http://anticorruptionsociety.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mc-on-d-raines.mp3 (http://anticorruptionsociety.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mc-on-d-raines.mp3)
So, what is the point of the conspiracy?
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To keep our local economies in shambles while maybe killing off a few of us. Poisoning the seafood which is subsistence for so many living in the low wage south. Makes some people more dependent on government and corporate handouts paid for by consumers in the form of higher prices which perpetuates the socio-fascist agenda. Increases the government debt. Makes the bankers rich, namely the Bank of England.
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To keep our local economies in shambles while maybe killing off a few of us. Poisoning the seafood which is subsistence for so many living in the low wage south. Makes some people more dependent on government and corporate handouts paid for by consumers in the form of higher prices which perpetuates the socio-fascist agenda. Increases the government debt. Makes the bankers rich, namely the Bank of England.
Wow.
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Poisoning the seafood which is subsistence for so many living in the low wage south.
I thought macaroni & cheese, spam, & natty light was the primary diet. Dem gulf skrimps is awfully expensive.
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We need to drill for oil but safety must be monitored. When chunks of the annular come up with the drill mud action must be taken to repair the BOP before proceeding. Also, sea water must not be use in place of kill mud ever. BP's ass is in a ringer for that shit.
Mississippi Sound, I can get at least 100# of shrimp from 2 gallons of gasoline burned through a 65HP Johnson outboard on a 15' tri-hull Mitchell boat pulling a 16' trawl on opening day with two trawls and virtually no trash fish. #50 of that is 16-20 count.
That last me all year. Well it use too. It's probably going to be a while before those days return. Even tuna will skyrocket in price, so I guess spam is in.
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We need to drill for oil but safety must be monitored. When chunk of the annular come up with the drill mud action must be taken to repair the BOP before proceeding. Also, sea water must not be use in place of kill mud ever. BP's ass is in a ringer for that poop.
Mississippi Sound, I can get at least 100# of shrimp from 2 gallons of gasoline burned through a 65HP Johnson outboard on a 15' tri-hull Mitchell boat pulling a 16' trawl on opening day with two trawls and virtually no trash fish. #50 of that is 16-29 count.
That last me all year. Well it use too. It's probably going to be a while before those days return. Even tuna will skyrocket in price, so I guess spam is in.
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This anger needs to be directed at the EPA and our govt moreso than BP.....
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They are all in cahoots with one another and I can't tell the difference between any of them. :blink:
So my anger is towards everyone involved except the workers who only do as they are told and are not blame.
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They are all in cahoots with one another and I can't tell the difference between any of them. :blink:
So my anger is towards everyone involved except the workers who only do as they are told and are not blame.
You think Big Oil and the EPA are in cahoots?????? WOW.......
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You think Big Oil and the EPA are in cahoots?????? WOW.......
They're gonna get you!
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They're gonna get you!
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too much Alex Jones going on in here. He likes Ketchup on his Bilderburgers.
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Well darn it, I'll have to catch you guys some Mobile Bay Speckled Trout, Shrimp and oysters and fry 'em up for you guys.That should put to rest any doubts people may have about the safety of the products used in the Gulf Oil Geysers (not a typo).
No conspiracy = safe seafood.
Who's first?
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Well darn it, I'll have to catch you guys some Mobile Bay Speckled Trout, Shrimp and oysters and fry 'em up for you guys.That should put to rest any doubts people may have about the safety of the products used in the Gulf Oil Geysers (not a typo).
No conspiracy = safe seafood.
Who's first?
Let's try this... If they had burned off the oil or started using chemical treatments at the start of this, the problem that we have today probably wouldn't have existed. It would have been contained. You think the government and "big bad oil" are in cahoots with one another... If that were true, why would the government push them so far out into the Gulf driving up costs and risks exponentially? That part of this makes no sense to me.
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Well darn it, I'll have to catch you guys some Mobile Bay Speckled Trout, Shrimp and oysters and fry 'em up for you guys.That should put to rest any doubts people may have about the safety of the products used in the Gulf Oil Geysers (not a typo).
No conspiracy = safe seafood.
Who's first?
Thanks but I'll stick with Beef (from non-rbST cows).
Truly unfortunately Gulf seafood will be questionable for a long while but it will eventually recover despite this terrible loss. BP may never recover on the other hand. But, I lay the blame for this entirely on the EPA and environmentalist idiots who forced oil drilling so far off-shore that it's almost impractical.
I was stunned listening to Admiral Thad Allen answering Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday in regards to the question of why it took so long to start building the sand barriers in Louisiana...the answer was they had to conduct two plus weeks of environment impact studies of...the sand barriers. EPA, beta-male, whack-a-doodles led by The ONE...fiddling away while Rome burns (speaking of which that was another solution to getting rid of the oil but that solution was too environmentally insensitive as I understood it...beta attitude). If not anything else the job of The ONE, if he is really "in charge", is to cut through this bureaucratic lunacy and get the barriers built.
The leftists are already starting with the knee-jerk reaction of stopping all drilling in the Gulf (at least new wells at this point anyway). As soon as these loons can show me their magic, fairy, rainbow, pixi-dust, unicorn powered cars and SUVs I'll agree that we need to stop drilling for oil. But until then we need the oil.
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By the way, odd that the subject title is "The Solution". GarMan and I were talking with the other guys (Dieter, Jose, Paul, the Duke of Wales, and Björn) while we're here at the Bilderberg Conference and, after comparing notes, we've found out that the Deep Seas Horizon catastrophe really is not part of our Plan.
It is a terrible accident.
Occam's Razor...
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Question on burning the oil off. This was my thought right from the start; however, since they haven't ever been able to contain the flow until the progress they've made recently, would that have been counter productive? Could you have a continuous burn off of that magnitude if the oil continued to gush out at 800 kwazillion gallons a day? Just axin' cause I have no clue....about a lot of things.
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Question on burning the oil off. This was my thought right from the start; however, since they haven't ever been able to contain the flow until the progress they've made recently, would that have been counter productive? Could you have a continuous burn off of that magnitude if the oil continued to gush out at 800 kwazillion gallons a day? Just axin' cause I have no clue....about a lot of things.
On 28 April this was reported...unfortunately, the Environmentalists prevailed...
Burning Off Gulf Oil Spill Raises Environmental Concerns
By Naureen S. Malik
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
As emergency response teams scurry to clean up the expanding oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico to prevent it from reaching the shoreline, efforts to burn off the oil are raising fresh concerns about the impact on marine life and air quality.
The April 20 explosion that led to the sinking a deepwater drilling rig operated by Transocean Ltd. (RIG) for BP PLC (BP) off the coast of Louisiana has led to the largest oil spill in U.S. waters in decades. The companies haven't been able to cap the well, which continues to leak at a rate of 1,000 barrels a day. Other methods to stop or contain the spread of oil, including constructing a canopy to catch the oil and drilling of a relief well, will take several weeks to implement.
The controlled burning of oil corralled within a flame-retardant boom, a procedure that was slated to begin Wednesday, is considered particularly effective for the consistency of the light, sweet crude-oil spill. The process can get rid of 90%-98% of the oil, leaving behind a waxy film that can be skimmed off, said Allison Nyholm, policy adviser at the American Petroleum Institute, an industry group representing 400 oil and natural gas companies.
However, burning oil can harm microorganisms on the water's surface where the activity takes place. It releases heavy particulate matter into the air and smaller burn particles like ash and tar that can be easily consumed by marine life, hurting the food chain, said Richard Charter, senior policy adviser for marine programs with Defenders of Wildlife.
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Apparently, burning it off potentially damages the food chain and the micro-organisms more than the actual oil itself does.
Source:
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100428-726268.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100428-726268.html)
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Mississippi Sound, I can get at least 100# of shrimp from 2 gallons of gasoline burned through a 65HP Johnson outboard on a 15' tri-hull Mitchell boat pulling a 16' trawl on opening day with two trawls and virtually no trash fish. #50 of that is 16-20 count.
Can someone translate this for me?
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Can someone translate this for me?
Ο Μισισιπής ηχεί, μπορώ να πάρω τουλάχιστον 100# των γαρίδων από 2 γαλόνια της βενζίνης που καίγεται μέσω ενός 65HP εξωτερικού Johnson σε ένα 15' βάρκα Mitchell τρι-φλουδών που τραβά ένα 16' τράτα στο άνοιγμα της ημέρας με δύο τράτα και ουσιαστικά κανένα ψάρι απορριμμάτων. #50 αυτός είναι αρίθμηση 16-20.
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Ο Μισισιπής ηχεί, μπορώ να πάρω τουλάχιστον 100# των γαρίδων από 2 γαλόνια της βενζίνης που καίγεται μέσω ενός 65HP εξωτερικού Johnson σε ένα 15' βάρκα Mitchell τρι-φλουδών που τραβά ένα 16' τράτα στο άνοιγμα της ημέρας με δύο τράτα και ουσιαστικά κανένα ψάρι απορριμμάτων. #50 αυτός είναι αρίθμηση 16-20.
Duh. Wreckingball can be so dense, sometimes. :)
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Thanks but I'll stick with Beef (from non-rbST cows).
Truly unfortunately Gulf seafood will be questionable for a long while but it will eventually recover despite this terrible loss. BP may never recover on the other hand. But, I lay the blame for this entirely on the EPA and environmentalist idiots who forced oil drilling so far off-shore that it's almost impractical.
I was stunned listening to Admiral Thad Allen answering Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday in regards to the question of why it took so long to start building the sand barriers in Louisiana...the answer was they had to conduct two plus weeks of environment impact studies of...the sand barriers. EPA, beta-male, whack-a-doodles led by The ONE...fiddling away while Rome burns (speaking of which that was another solution to getting rid of the oil but that solution was too environmentally insensitive as I understood it...beta attitude). If not anything else the job of The ONE, if he is really "in charge", is to cut through this bureaucratic lunacy and get the barriers built.
The leftists are already starting with the knee-jerk reaction of stopping all drilling in the Gulf (at least new wells at this point anyway). As soon as these loons can show me their magic, fairy, rainbow, pixi-dust, unicorn powered cars and SUVs I'll agree that we need to stop drilling for oil. But until then we need the oil.
You pretty much just echoed what I said earlier in the thread - The Fed Govt and the EPA should bear more of this blame than BP. BP was really playing the hand they were dealt having to go into these unchartered waters and depths.
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IMHO, Sometime long ago, BP suits said: "What if we have a catastrophe on one of these deep water rigs? What do we do stop the leak?" And a BP bean counter took off his shoes and starting adding up the costs of preparing for such a disaster, and when he showed the suits, they said: "probably best we don't ever have a catastrophe, but if we do, we'll worry about it then."
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Ο Μισισιπής ηχεί, μπορώ να πάρω τουλάχιστον 100# των γαρίδων από 2 γαλόνια της βενζίνης που καίγεται μέσω ενός 65HP εξωτερικού Johnson σε ένα 15' βάρκα Mitchell τρι-φλουδών που τραβά ένα 16' τράτα στο άνοιγμα της ημέρας με δύο τράτα και ουσιαστικά κανένα ψάρι απορριμμάτων. #50 αυτός είναι αρίθμηση 16-20.
Спасибо
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IMHO, Sometime long ago, BP suits said: "What if we have a catastrophe on one of these deep water rigs? What do we do stop the leak?" And a BP bean counter took off his shoes and starting adding up the costs of preparing for such a disaster, and when he showed the suits, they said: "probably best we don't ever have a catastrophe, but if we do, we'll worry about it then."
I'll defer to you and Birdman from a legal standpoint but I think before this is all over with the litigation from this accident will make the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement look like small change. What further bothers me is the knee-jerk reactions that could stop all drilling...forcing us to suck the teat of more oil producing nations that hate us. Of course the proverbial wake-up call will be $6.50 a gallon gasoline which is what some of the Environmentalist wack-a-doodles want anyway.
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Спасибо
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I'll defer to you and Birdman from a legal standpoint but I think before this is all over with the litigation from this accident will make the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement look like small change. What further bothers me is the knee-jerk reactions that could stop all drilling...forcing us to suck the teat of more oil producing nations that hate us. Of course the proverbial wake-up call will be $6.50 a gallon gasoline which is what some of the Environmentalist wack-a-doodles want anyway.
I was thinking the same thing. That John Denver's full of shit man.
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IMHO, Sometime long ago, BP suits said: "What if we have a catastrophe on one of these deep water rigs? What do we do stop the leak?" And a BP bean counter took off his shoes and starting adding up the costs of preparing for such a disaster, and when he showed the suits, they said: "probably best we don't ever have a catastrophe, but if we do, we'll worry about it then."
To some extent, you're probably right, but the fed-gov has been blocking them from taking the traditional courses of action with a catastrophe such as this. They wanted to burn... Fed-gov said no... They wanted to use chemical treatments... Fed-gov said no... So, here we are.
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To some extent, you're probably right, but the fed-gov has been blocking them from taking the traditional courses of action with a catastrophe such as this. They wanted to burn... Fed-gov said no... They wanted to use chemical treatments... Fed-gov said no... So, here we are.
And I am by no means a conspiracy nut like BF, but do you get the feeling that this spill getting worse day to day was not the worst thing in the world for this administration? Something to think about.
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Another New Plume - BP is being selfish with their information. There is at least one other geyser.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/07/gulf.oil.plume/index.html?npt=NP1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/07/gulf.oil.plume/index.html?npt=NP1)
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Another New Plume - BP is being selfish with their information. There is at least one other geyser.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/07/gulf.oil.plume/index.html?npt=NP1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/07/gulf.oil.plume/index.html?npt=NP1)
I don't think that it's just BP 'being selfish'; our friend Alex Jones was reporting on his Sunday show that Chairman Maobama's folk had "ordered" the video of the oil plume suppressed early on because it potential for being so politically damaging to his administration. Why would they not continue doing that when other plumes are found?
As much pressure that appears to be behind the main oil plume it does not surprise me that there are other plumes forming. The relief well(s) seem to be the only answer to solving this particular problem...but, then again, I'm no expert like The ONE.
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To some extent, you're probably right, but the fed-gov has been blocking them from taking the traditional courses of action with a catastrophe such as this. They wanted to burn... Fed-gov said no... They wanted to use chemical treatments... Fed-gov said no... So, here we are.
Environmentalist whackos don't understand that sometimes you might have to do a little damage to save the whole. Problem is, as I was pointing out, BP deemed it too expensive to prepare for an event that wasn't really likely to happen...but has.
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...but, then again, I'm no expert like The ONE.
Or, apparently, like Holly-weird Director James Cameron who is now back-peddling from his original comment about BP:
Cameron backs up on BP
By: Patrick Gavin
June 8, 2010 07:49 AM EST
Filmmaker James Cameron garnered some headlines recently when he called BP "morons" for their handling of the Gulf oil spill (Cameron was asked to offer advice on how to fix the problem).
"Over the last few weeks I've watched as we all have with growing sort of horror and heartache watching what's happening in the Gulf and thinking, those morons don't know what they're doing," Cameron said last week.
Now, Cameron is clarifying his remarks, telling CNN's Larry King that his words were "taken out of context."
"The other shoe dropping on the story was, then I got into it and I talked to petroleum engineers and we started this study group ...They're not morons.
"There are good engineers out there ... working very hard. It's a very, very complex problem to solve."
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Source:
http://dyn.politico.com/click/printstory.cfm?uuid=703f9091-44c5-4f8f-bafe-ffadbbf63888 (http://dyn.politico.com/click/printstory.cfm?uuid=703f9091-44c5-4f8f-bafe-ffadbbf63888)
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Environmentalist whackos don't understand that sometimes you might have to do a little damage to save the whole. Problem is, as I was pointing out, BP deemed it too expensive to prepare for an event that wasn't really likely to happen...but has.
True - but let's step back and do a macro view with a root cause analysis. Is there really a good, feasible contingency plan for this type of catastrophe at this depth? Probably not. As Tarheel eluded to earlier, the simple fixes were scoffed at. So then we turn to the question of: Why is that? Because of the unchartered depth that BP was forced to go into IF they wanted any oil in the area. And THIS was caused by our federal gov't and the environmental lobbyists pushing this policy.
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True - but let's step back and do a macro view with a root cause analysis. Is there really a good, feasible contingency plan for this type of catastrophe at this depth? Probably not. As Tarheel eluded to earlier, the simple fixes were scoffed at. So then we turn to the question of: Why is that? Because of the unchartered depth that BP was forced to go into IF they wanted any oil in the area. And THIS was caused by our federal gov't and the environmental lobbyists pushing this policy.
There wasn't a contengency plan that met any cost-benefit analysis standard.
I'll have to plead some ignorance on the policies you're talking about.
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Environmentalist whackos don't understand that sometimes you might have to do a little damage to save the whole. Problem is, as I was pointing out, BP deemed it too expensive to prepare for an event that wasn't really likely to happen...but has.
Fed-Gov's mitigation response to this event has been a tragedy that could have been averted too had they prepared for this event that wasn't really likely to happen...but has. Part of the job of the President in a crisis like this is to cut through the Fed-Gov, bureaucratic, red-tape jungle and get things done like, for example, building the sand berms along with burning off the oil where practical. He has not done that.
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Fed-Gov's mitigation response to this event has been a tragedy that could have been averted too had they prepared for this event that wasn't really likely to happen...but has. Part of the job of the President in a crisis like this is to cut through the Fed-Gov, bureaucratic, red-tape jungle and get things done like, for example, building the sand berms along with burning off the oil where practical. He has not done that.
This 10X.
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Fed-Gov's mitigation response to this event has been a tragedy that could have been averted too had they prepared for this event that wasn't really likely to happen...but has. Part of the job of the President in a crisis like this is to cut through the Fed-Gov, bureaucratic, red-tape jungle and get things done like, for example, building the sand berms along with burning off the oil where practical. He has not done that.
Agree...but he's busy looking for someone's ass to kick.
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There wasn't a contengency plan that met any cost-benefit analysis standard.
I'll have to plead some ignorance on the policies you're talking about.
I guess what I am saying JR is that BP should never have even been drilling oil in those depths. And it was all political and driven by the EPA. Simple as that. In shallow water or on land, this could have been handled much easier.
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Agree...but he's busy looking for someone's ass to kick.
So I've heard. That's the second corollary to Democrat Playbook Rule number 3: "It's always the fault of someone else." The first corollary is "It's all Bush's fault."
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I guess what I am saying JR is that BP should never have even been drilling oil in those depths. And it was all political and driven by the EPA. Simple as that. In shallow water or on land, this could have been handled much easier.
This depth of drilling apparently was indeed a first, from Sept. 2009:
NEW BP DISCOVERY SAID TO BE DEEPEST WELL EVER
Transocean claims that the well drilled by its semi Deepwater Horizon - pictured at right - for the BP/Petrobras/ConocoPhillips field in the Keathley Canyon is the deepest ever. It is in 4,132 feet of water and has a total depth of 35,055 feet. And read the specs of the Deepwater Horizon here. This rig operates in 30-foot waves and 60-knot winds: now that's what I call high technology. September 2, 2009.
No wonder it's being a real bitch to close if it's that deep.
Source:
http://www.coltoncompany.com/newsandcomment/news/2009/09.htm (http://www.coltoncompany.com/newsandcomment/news/2009/09.htm)
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So I've heard. That's the second corollary to Democrat Playbook Rule number 3: "It's always the fault of someone else." The first corollary is "It's all Bush's fault."
Followed closely by the ever popular "my words were "taken out of context."
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So I've heard. That's the second corollary to Democrat Playbook Rule number 3: "It's always the fault of someone else." The first corollary is "It's all Bush's Cheney's fault."
FIFY
The Obama admin is desperately looking for an out and the Bilderbergers have apparently made Iran the target of their frustration. Look for an attack on Iran as the distraction and solution of all the problems. WWIII.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wZfnqn1G2U&feature=player_embedded#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wZfnqn1G2U&feature=player_embedded#ws)