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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Birmingham on April 14, 2010, 06:06:39 PM
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He won't be successful. Not that he won't be okay but that he won't live up to the expectations being built for him. I actually feel sorry for the kid. He would have had a better chance had he gone to a place with a little less "gimmicky" offense.
(here fishy fishy fishy)
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Back-to-Back Heisman!!!!
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Back-to-Back Heisman!!!!
Please start your own thread if you're gonna talk about Ingram.
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He won't be successful. Not that he won't be okay but that he won't live up to the expectations being built for him. I actually feel sorry for the kid. He would have had a better chance had he gone to a place with a little less "gimmicky" offense.
(here fishy fishy fishy)
Seriously? Fucking seriously?
Listen dude, your shit was somewhat funny when you would bait occasionally...but know there are like 4 fucking threads of this lame shit. You are that guy that talks about pussy all the time yet gets none...You are that guy that loves weed but doesn't smoke.
Go peddle shit else where or grow a sac, one or the other.
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He won't be successful. Not that he won't be okay but that he won't live up to the expectations being built for him. I actually feel sorry for the kid. He would have had a better chance had he gone to a place with a little less "gimmicky" offense.
(here fishy fishy fishy)
blah blah blah.
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Okay, serious response. Chris Todd set several passing records in this "gimmicky" offense. The fact is that Todd was one of the less talented QB's to play that position at Auburn and he still thrived at times. Even after the rehab, he didn't have that strong of an arm. He certainly wasn't fast and he had a real nasty habit of going full retard when under duress. Even with his limitations, he stepped into a brand new offense and had the success that he did.
One thing that was missing from this offense last year was the ability to run from the QB position. The offense is designed to require the QB to take off from time to time for it to really click. Todd tried with some success late in the year but teams just didn't have to respect that because he just wasn't very fast. Newton is a totally different story. Much stronger arm. Much faster and far stronger than any QB we've had. The players talk about it and the coaches are now raving about his arm strength and more importantly, his placement. I have no idea if Cam Newton will light up the college world but I have to think that if Chris Todd could do what he did with his limitations, Newton can't help but do some great things.
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TV rots your brain
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I'm going to file away the "gimmicky" comment in the "typical bammer douche" file and skip it. Good try broke-back.
As for how successful Newton will be...well, living up to expectations or not depends on the expectations. I'm trying to be realistic and cautious and not expect a Tim Tebow/Sam Bradford hybrid...I'm sure there are some Auburn fans that will expect that and probably be disappointed.
By the end of the year I'm expecting him to do at least as well as Chris Todd did. He may start off slower, since Todd had a fair amount of SEC football behind him going in to last year. But by the end of the year, I would expect that Newton's numbers are equal or better than Todd's and that he was key in several wins.
If he progresses like that next year, then I would expect that his comfort and talent allow for something more impressive his senior year. Of course his senior year will take place behind several new starters on the o-line, so those kinds of things have to be considered too.
Malzahn is probably the biggest reassurance I have that Newton will be at least as adequate as Todd.
To this point, Malzhan has had three first-year QB's to run his offense (they didn't run his offense at Arkansas):
2007 - Paul Smith - #5 QB rating of 159.8 - 5,000+ yds , 47 TDs , 19 INTs.
2008 - David Johnson - #2 QB rating of 178.7 - 4,000+ yds, 46 TDs, 18 INTs.
2009 - Chris Todd - #20 QB rating of 145.7 - 2,600+ yds, 22 TDs, only 6 INTs.
I think Malzahn can land Newton somewhere among the numbers listed above.
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I'm going to file away the "gimmicky" comment in the "typical bammer douche" file and skip it. Good try broke-back.
As for how successful Newton will be...well, living up to expectations or not depends on the expectations. I'm trying to be realistic and cautious and not expect a Tim Tebow/Sam Bradford hybrid...I'm sure there are some Auburn fans that will expect that and probably be disappointed.
By the end of the year I'm expecting him to do at least as well as Chris Todd did. He may start off slower, since Todd had a fair amount of SEC football behind him going in to last year. But by the end of the year, I would expect that Newton's numbers are equal or better than Todd's and that he was key in several wins.
If he progresses like that next year, then I would expect that his comfort and talent allow for something more impressive his senior year. Of course his senior year will take place behind several new starters on the o-line, so those kinds of things have to be considered too.
Malzahn is probably the biggest reassurance I have that Newton will be at least as adequate as Todd.
To this point, Malzhan has had three first-year QB's to run his offense (they didn't run his offense at Arkansas):
2007 - Paul Smith - #5 QB rating of 159.8 - 5,000+ yds , 47 TDs , 19 INTs.
2008 - David Johnson - #2 QB rating of 178.7 - 4,000+ yds, 46 TDs, 18 INTs.
2009 - Chris Todd - #20 QB rating of 145.7 - 2,600+ yds, 22 TDs, only 6 INTs.
I think Malzahn can land Newton somewhere among the numbers listed above.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say whatever quarterback we have this year beats Todd's TD numbers from last year. Be it Caudle, Trotter, Newton or Mosley
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There's a good chance. Like the Birdman said, Todd did go full-on retard for three whole games last year. I think for those three games, his QB rating was something like a 78.
Arkansas - 15/28 - 133 yards - 0 TD / 0 INT
Kentucky - 10/24 - 80 yards (!) - 0 TD / 1 INT
LSU - 8/14 - 47 yards (!) - 0 TD / 1 INT
There. That's your full-on retard mode Chris Todd.
The game before those three?
Tennessee - 19/32 - 218 yards - 1 TD / 0 INT
The game after those three?
Ole Miss - 12/22 - 212 yards - 1 TD / 0 INT
Those aren't stellar stats either, but 31 of 54 (57%), 430 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs in those two games is Joe Montana-like compared to 33 of 66 (50%), 260 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs.
If Newton can avoid those games, he'll re-write all of Todd's records.
It's crazy looking back to see how close we were to being 10-3 instead of 8-5. Kentucky? Georgia? Alabama? Damn.
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Seriously? Fucking seriously?
Listen dude, your shit was somewhat funny when you would bait occasionally...but know there are like 4 fucking threads of this lame shit. You are that guy that talks about pussy all the time yet gets none...You are that guy that loves weed but doesn't smoke.
Go peddle shit else where or grow a sac, one or the other.
Sorry, I was drunk on account of the day of my birth today.
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Sorry, I was drunk on account of the day of my birth today.
Happy B'day.
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Sorry, I was drunk on account of the day of my birth today.
Apologizing? I like drunk Taylor's response better....bring him back.
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too bad Birmingham's trampoline accident didn't paralyze him from the neck down. Then the usefulness of his body would match that of his brain. :taunt:
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too bad Birmingham's trampoline accident didn't paralyze him from the neck down. Then the usefulness of his body would match that of his brain. :taunt:
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Sorry, I was drunk on account of the day of my birth today.
Happy Birthday
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too bad Birmingham's trampoline accident didn't paralyze him from the neck down. Then the usefulness of his body would match that of his brain. :taunt:
You're as sensitive as a freshman teen on her period.
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Happy Birthday
There's a birthday thread for that. Don't make me moderate you.
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There's a birthday thread for that. Don't make me moderate you.
I miss your face.
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I miss your face.
You...I want to party with.
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I miss your face.
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Oh snap!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3307/3555951948_a405af0df4.jpg)
I don't care what anyone says that is a cool fucking trampoline. He built it below ground, how fuckin cool is that shite.
I'd cover that bitch up with grass, grab a beer and watch the lawn men try to cut the grass.
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He won't be successful. Not that he won't be okay but that he won't live up to the expectations being built for him. I actually feel sorry for the kid. He would have had a better chance had he gone to a place with a little less "gimmicky" offense.
(here fishy fishy fishy)
I have to ask...what's "gimmicky" about Auburn's offense? To say that, suggests they do something that is unique AND/OR new, AND/OR deceptive. Can you tell me exactly what that is?
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I have to ask...what's "gimmicky" about Auburn's offense? To say that, suggests they do something that is unique AND/OR new. Can you tell me exactly what that is?
That's just bammer excuse #3,214 for the Iron Bowl being as close as it was.
It has no more substance than "Auburn only beats us when we're down" or any other asinine bammer talking point.
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That's just bammer excuse #3,214 for the Iron Bowl being as close as it was.
It has no more substance than "Auburn only beats us when we're down" or any other asinine bammer talking point.
In other words, it makes them feel better about things.
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I have to ask...what's "gimmicky" about Auburn's offense? To say that, suggests they do something that is unique AND/OR new. Can you tell me exactly what that is?
Points and yards. Points and yards are just a gimmick to sell tickets and lure recruits. It's really of no use in real football games. Smoke and mirrors. Snake oil. It's Flea wearing a diaper during a concert. Total gimmick.
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Points and yards. Points and yards are just a gimmick to sell tickets and lure recruits. It's really of no use in real football games. Smoke and mirrors. Snake oil. It's Flea wearing a diaper during a concert. Total gimmick.
It's something bammers parrot because they hear the likes of Shane from C'point say it. It's ignorant. But yes, it's designed to make them feel better. I have news for the bammer. ALL offense has some gimmick. NONE of them tell the defense the play they're running. Deception=gimmick. Play action fake and pass? Gimmick! Motion to check coverage or gain leverage? Gimmick! Ever see ANY offense line up in the same formation every time? Formationing to gain an advantage=gimmick. Counter Trey to get the defense flowing one way then cut back=gimmick. Zone running play which has a primary point of aim for the RB, but also allows him to "pick the crease"=gimmick. This is bammer's bread and butter along with play action passing off the same look, which, by the way, running one play that looks like another to begin with...that's a gimmick. Triple option where they leave a DL unblocked then make him wrong no matter what he does? Gimmick!
Sun Tzu - "All warfare is based on deception."
Gimmicky? Yeah all offense is. Unusual? No, Malzahn doesn't run any plays you've never seen many other teams run.
Power Football: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI#)
The Power, or Power G is a staple football play...especially out of the I formation. Most all teams run it, or something very similar...as evidenced by the numerous teams shown in that video. It's just good, old fashioned, smash-mouth football.
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It's something bammers parrot because they hear the likes of Shane from C'point say it. It's ignorant. But yes, it's designed to make them feel better. I have news for the bammer. ALL offense has some gimmick. NONE of them tell the defense play they're running. Deception=gimmick. Play action fake and pass? Gimmick! Motion to check coverage or gain leverage? Gimmick! Ever see ANY offense line up in the same formation every time? Formationing to gain an advantage=gimmick. Counter Trey to get the defense flowing one way then cut back=gimmick. Zone running play which has a primary point of aim for the RB, but also allows him to "pick the crease"=gimmick. This is bammer's bread and butter along with play action passing off the same look, which, by the way, running one play that looks like another to begin with...that's a gimmick. Triple option where they leave a DL unblocked then make him wrong no matter what he does? Gimmick!
Sun Tzu - "All warfare is based on deception."
Gimmicky? Yeah all offense is. Unusual? No, Malzahn doesn't run any plays you've never seen many other teams run.
Power Football: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI#)
The Power, or Power G is a staple football play...especially out of the I formation. Most all teams run it, or something very similar...as evidenced by the numerous teams shown in that video. It's just good, old fashioned, smash-mouth football.
You really should post more often.
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Yeah, good post. For the record, our local bammer here was just baiting us for fun, I'm not sure to what extent he thinks we're gimmicky.
You're right, it's basic power running....and your video only shows stuff from 2009. If you pull up film of Tom Osborne's Nebraska teams or Joe Gibb's Redskin teams, you'll see basically the same play. Maybe out of different looks and formations, but essentially the meat of the play is the same.
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He won't be successful. Not that he won't be okay but that he won't live up to the expectations being built for him. I actually feel sorry for the kid. He would have had a better chance had he gone to a place with a little less "gimmicky" offense.
(here fishy fishy fishy)
I notice you've not even attempted to address anything that was said about football and your gimmicky comment. As for predicting "He won't be successful". Gosh, imagine THAT coming from a bammer that lives on an Auburn forum flaiming. And then qualifying it with your next sentence. Going out on a limb a bit there huh bud? Predicting a QB won't live up to the hype is like predicting heat in August in the south. Could have an early cold snap, but chances are it will be warm. How warm is anybody's guess. Oh, if you're going to feel sorry for overhyped QBs that are doomed to fail...better check your own house first there moron. Star Jackson comes to mind. I'd predict his failure, but it's too late, he alreadhy has.
Lastly. It's pathetically transparent to post mindless BS then put your own defense clause in it for when your're eventually outed as having made yet another fucking dumbass post. "here fishy fishy, fishy" only serves to prove you know that anybody with any football savvy at all will see right through your fucking ignorance. All you have to do now is claim you were fishing for responses and never address any questions you're asked.