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Title: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: BZ770 on January 04, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
17-10 over TCU.  Looks like they may be a legit contender, just another reason we need a playoff.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Kaos on January 05, 2010, 12:06:47 AM
 :rofl:

The clue light must have gone off in somebody's head...

nevermind
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Saniflush on January 05, 2010, 07:16:19 AM
I actually expected TCU to handle them.  One of the surprises in my book.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AUsweetheart on January 05, 2010, 08:18:31 AM
I actually expected TCU to handle them.  One of the surprises in my book.
Me too. In fact, I was hoping TCU would jump Texas and play bama. I thought they would have a better chance of beating them.
Good thing nobody listens to girls.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Saniflush on January 05, 2010, 08:19:21 AM
Me too. In fact, I was hoping TCU would jump Texas and play bama. I thought they would have a better chance of beating them.
Good thing nobody listens to girls.
I listen.


What were you saying?
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Kaos on January 05, 2010, 08:22:08 AM
17-10 over TCU.  Looks like they may be a legit contender, just another reason we need a playoff.

Let me go ahead and make the argument this BCS matchup was designed to make.  

Neither team is deserving.  All Boise did was beat another second-tier team like itself.

Just look what happened when Cincinnati played a "real" team.  Had either of these teams played a "real" BCS team they would have been bludgeoned just like Cincy was.  

Do I buy that argument?  Not so much.  But you'll see it made on the national scale today.

These two teams were placed in this bowl game against each other so that neither had a chance to "upset the applecart" and actually beat a team from a major conference.  

Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AUsweetheart on January 05, 2010, 08:23:40 AM
I listen.


What were you saying?
How great you were in b..., er, wait.

Crazy talk.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Saniflush on January 05, 2010, 08:25:37 AM
How great you were in b..., er, wait.

Crazy talk.
yea I gotta I was pretty well just getting clicks and pops.

Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: RWS on January 05, 2010, 08:25:56 AM
Me too. In fact, I was hoping TCU would jump Texas and play bama. I thought they would have a better chance of beating them.
Good thing nobody listens to girls.
Yeah, I heard some AU fans saying "Yeah, Bama sure is lucky they aren't going to have to play TCU!" a few days ago. I assumed it was a setup, so just in case Alabama won, they could automatically say "Well, they would have lost if they played Team X." So, if Alabama wins the NC, who are we lucky we didn't have to play? Boise St? Ohio St? Oregon?
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AUsweetheart on January 05, 2010, 08:29:53 AM
So, if Alabama wins the NC, who are we lucky we didn't have to play? Boise St? Ohio St? Oregon?

A 2009 Auburn team with depth. :)
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on January 05, 2010, 08:31:01 AM
Yeah, I heard some AU fans saying "Yeah, Bama sure is lucky they aren't going to have to play TCU!" a few days ago. I assumed it was a setup, so just in case Alabama won, they could automatically say "Well, they would have lost if they played Team X." So, if Alabama wins the NC, who are we lucky we didn't have to play? Boise St? Ohio St? Oregon?

Is this any more ridiculous than Bammer fans that already feel entitled to the victory on Thursday night?  Your inability to recognize time and place (ie; bama fan on an Auburn board hearing smack about bama, auburn fans talking bs to get a rise out of people like you) is alarming sometimes.  You post these questions like you're actually serious sometimes.  

Are you serious?  You DO remember losing to Utah last year after basically feeling that you'd win that game easily last year?  Right?  You DO know that rivals are going to post things to get a rise out of the rival sometimes, right?
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Kaos on January 05, 2010, 08:31:27 AM
So, if Alabama wins the NC, who are we lucky we didn't have to play? Boise St? Ohio St? Oregon?

All of the above.  Oh, and Utah.  And obviously Northwestern.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on January 05, 2010, 08:37:13 AM
You DO realize that 90% of what you post is psycho? Right? You DO realize that you typically overreact, right?

Sheesh. 

Unreal.

*sigh*

Just more personal shit.  Imagine that.  Why is this necessary every post and every day for you?  Really.   
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: RWS on January 05, 2010, 08:42:13 AM
Is this any more ridiculous than Bammer fans that already feel entitled to the victory on Thursday night?  Your inability to recognize time and place (ie; bama fan on an Auburn board hearing smack about bama, auburn fans talking bs to get a rise out of people like you) is alarming sometimes.  You post these questions like you're actually serious sometimes.  

Are you serious?  You DO remember losing to Utah last year after basically feeling that you'd win that game easily last year?  Right?  You DO know that rivals are going to post things to get a rise out of the rival sometimes, right?
You question my ability to recognize time and place, then you bring up Alabama losing to Utah....last year. Nice. I felt like we would win against Utah, but I didn't think we would win easily. As the distractions started mounting, I even told others that this isn't going to be an easy win at all. Utah was undefeated, so even relative to the level of opposition they face, they had to be somewhat decent. They had beaten the #12 (TCU) and #14 (BYU) team in the country just a few weeks prior. They beat BYU handily, might I add. Then add in that you know the team ahd to have not been really giving a fuck after losing the SECCG, and then the whole Andre Smith fiasco. I still think we should have won. But easily? I never said that, and for that matter, smacked down anybody who said it. You may as well bring up us losing to ULM in 2007. It has about as much relevancy as the Utah game at this point.

As for Texas, no, I don't feel like we've already won. I'm not so sure we'll win. I think we will, but its not something I would lay cash down on. I feel the same way I felt about the SECCG. I think there will be 4 quarters of some hard fought football. Of course I think Alabama will win; because I'm an Alabama fan. Do I think we will win easily? Fuck no. Texas is going to be ready, and they're going to have some shit up their sleeves.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: boartitz on January 05, 2010, 08:48:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-r02-oZAW4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-r02-oZAW4#)
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on January 05, 2010, 08:57:49 AM
You question my ability to recognize time and place, then you bring up Alabama losing to Utah....last year. Nice. I felt like we would win against Utah, but I didn't think we would win easily. As the distractions started mounting, I even told others that this isn't going to be an easy win at all. Utah was undefeated, so even relative to the level of opposition they face, they had to be somewhat decent. They had beaten the #12 (TCU) and #14 (BYU) team in the country just a few weeks prior. They beat BYU handily, might I add. Then add in that you know the team ahd to have not been really giving a fuck after losing the SECCG, and then the whole Andre Smith fiasco. I still think we should have won. But easily? I never said that, and for that matter, smacked down anybody who said it. You may as well bring up us losing to ULM in 2007. It has about as much relevancy as the Utah game at this point.

It's relevant that lessons learned obviously do not maintain with a vast majority of your goober fan base.  All I hear (outside of you) is that Bammer's gonna stomp a mud-hole in Texas.  There's t-shirts already made, and number 13 is a givin'.  So, yeah, it was relevant.  The point is that you guys never learn, and it's evidenced again THIS year after something as recent as last year's bowl.
 

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As for Texas, no, I don't feel like we've already won. I'm not so sure we'll win. I feel the same way I felt about the SECCG. I think there will be 4 quarters of some hard fought football. Of course I think Alabama will win; because I'm an Alabama fan. Do I think we will win easily? Fuck no. Texas is going to be ready, and they're going to have some shit up their sleeves.

I know, I know.  You're the perfect level headed non game going sidewalk know everything perfect bammer.  Obviously if YOU think this way, surely the extra-chromosome knuckle-headed don't exist and the barners are surely just making this shit up.

  
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: RWS on January 05, 2010, 09:08:58 AM
It's relevant that lessons learned obviously do not maintain with a vast majority of your goober fan base.  All I hear (outside of you) is that Bammer's gonna stomp a mud-hole in Texas.  There's t-shirts already made, and number 13 is a givin'.  So, yeah, it was relevant.  The point is that you guys never learn, and it's evidenced again THIS year after something as recent as last year's bowl.
 

I know, I know.  You're the perfect level headed non game going sidewalk know everything perfect bammer.  Obviously if YOU think this way, surely the extra-chromosome knuckle-headed don't exist and the barners are surely just making this shit up.

  
Do you think Texas doesn't have shirts made up as well? How the hell do you think the SECCG shirts hit the streets 2 days after the game? There are always a shitload of shirts and everything made for each team, ready to hit the streets if they win. Most major sports do. Why do you think sometimes in like National Geographic, or other publications, you will see a kid in a third world country running around in a Super Bowl shirt proclaiming the incorrect winner of a certain year? Most major sports do this, and the shirts with the teams that don't win, usually go overseas to third world countries.

Shit, even some here have said Alabama could possibly murder Texas. Thats coming from AU fans. Personally, I'm not all about that. But how are you going to blame our fans, when even AU fans are saying we're going to monkey stomp Texas? I'm not saying that EVERY Alabama fan thinks the way I do. Not at all. I'm simply saying I'm normally more on the pessimistic side, unless something is obvious. I just don't see anything pointing to us obviously winning over Texas.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Kaos on January 05, 2010, 09:13:15 AM
*sigh*

Just more personal shit.  Imagine that.  Why is this necessary every post and every day for you?  Really.   

I took it down, but wasn't quick enough on the draw.

All I'm saying here is that you crank this stuff up with RWS and get your skull beat in.  It's unseemly. 

You should stop. 
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Kaos on January 05, 2010, 09:16:46 AM
Do you think Texas doesn't have shirts made up as well?

If they do, they're not selling them yet.  Not so with Bama. 

I can go in the Target here and buy a Bama NC shirt today.  They had them before Christmas. 
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 05, 2010, 09:21:23 AM
A 2009 Auburn team with depth. :)

Have I told you lately how much I heart you?
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on January 05, 2010, 09:36:24 AM
I took it down, but wasn't quick enough on the draw.

All I'm saying here is that you crank this stuff up with RWS and get your skull beat in.  It's unseemly. 

You should stop. 

Just like everyone else.  I'll be the judge of that.  Not you. 
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Kaos on January 05, 2010, 09:38:37 AM
Just like everyone else.  I'll be the judge of that.  Not you. 

You can't judge when you're getting your skull beaten in.  That's for others to determine. 

Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on January 05, 2010, 09:40:33 AM
If they do, they're not selling them yet.  Not so with Bama.  

I can go in the Target here and buy a Bama NC shirt today.  They had them before Christmas.  

This.  I also deal with Bammers on a daily basis.  Not Texans.  

I was also mortified yesterday when the 5 minutes of F'baum I listened to was being broadcast from a hotel lobby in Pasadena.  My GOD, the hilarity and utter gooberishness that must have been heard in that lobby by the poor poor host city and locals.  

No wonder people in Cal can't help but make fun of people from Alabama.

Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: AUsweetheart on January 05, 2010, 09:51:28 AM
I was in texas for almost a week....didn't go to Austin, but it doesn't matter, I saw a few hats, a few t's....but nothing, NOTHING like the rabid fervor going on here.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: War Eagle!!! on January 05, 2010, 10:12:14 AM
I was in texas for almost a week....didn't go to Austin, but it doesn't matter, I saw a few hats, a few t's....but nothing, NOTHING like the rabid fervor going on here.

If I didn't listen to sports talk radio, I would have no idea. And that is just the commercials, the peeps over here care about nothing but the Cowboys. It's why I am a "Cowboy" fan. It's all you get. I didn't really have a team so much as to route for individual players, but the Cowboys have grown on me since being here. When the Cowboys win, everyone is in a hell of a lot better mood, no matter what happens to TCU, SMU, TT, Texas, A&M, or any other of the weak ass schools here. Oh yeah, and Romo is a bad ass!

Go Cowboys!!! Hopefully we can make some noise this year in the play-offs. I am nervous about playing the Eagles again after embarrassing their asses last week. The Boys are playing good though and seem to have gotten hot at the right time. They should have fucking beaten San Diego a couple of weeks ago but Folk had his head in his ass. If Romo and the 2 lines keeps playing like this, the Cowboys should be able to play with anyone. Hells yeah....
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: jadennis on January 05, 2010, 10:18:24 AM
Yeah, it's mostly Cowboy's down here too (in San Antonio).  We have two sports talk radio stations here.   The main one, The Ticket 760 talks college football for about 3 minutes a week...if that.  The rest is Cowboys and Spurs, non stop.

Luckily there is a new station, ESPN 1250, and the local part of that station talks tons of college football.  I even made a call yesterday because they were talking about Tuberville and wanted the whole story on why he left Auburn (in reference to Texas Tech).  

On that station, the Texas fans have total and utter respect for Alabama.  The closest thing to bragging or arrogance I hear from them is to think it's an even match.  They'll say that both teams have great defenses, Alabama has Ingram and Texas has McCoy.  That's about how 90% of them see it.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: War Eagle!!! on January 05, 2010, 10:23:29 AM
 On that station, the Texas fans have total and utter respect for Alabama.  The closest thing to bragging or arrogance I hear from them is to think it's an even match.  They'll say that both teams have great defenses, Alabama has Ingram and Texas has McCoy.  That's about how 90% of them see it.

Their fans are in for a rude awakening if they think the Texas defense is anything like what they will face Thursday...
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: jadennis on January 05, 2010, 10:38:30 AM
Let me go ahead and make the argument this BCS matchup was designed to make.  

Neither team is deserving.  All Boise did was beat another second-tier team like itself.

Just look what happened when Cincinnati played a "real" team.  Had either of these teams played a "real" BCS team they would have been bludgeoned just like Cincy was.  

Do I buy that argument?  Not so much.  But you'll see it made on the national scale today.

These two teams were placed in this bowl game against each other so that neither had a chance to "upset the applecart" and actually beat a team from a major conference.  



But at this point there are too many games to point back to.  Cincinnati got killed, but didn't Utah win the same game last year against Alabama?  Didn't Boise State beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta in 2007?  Didn't West Virginia beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl? (and OU last year?).  

The senseless beatings that teams like Cincinnati just took and like Hawaii took against Georgia don't erase the wins these teams have pulled off...which, to me, is unfortunate.  

The people who pull for the undefeated "little guy" don't get it.  Yes, Utah can beat Alabama on a given day.  Boise can beat OU on a given day.  But what we'll see over a ten year span is a bunch of complete beat-downs (like Florida vs Cincinnati and Georgia vs Hawaii) and a few upsets (Utah vs Alabama and Boise vs OU).

It's representative of what we would see if those teams actually played in a real conference.   Sure, they would win some games because they are good teams, no question. But they aren't "undefeated" teams if you throw them in a real conference, simple as that.  This year's TCU or Boise State or Cincinnati would likely be an Iowa or an Oklahoma State or an LSU or Ole Miss.  Good, yes, undefeated and ranked #3 or 4 or 5....no way.

Boise beat Tulsa 28-21, La Tech 45-35, and Nevada 44-33, and UC Davis 34-16 (UC Davis was 6-5 and lost to Fresno 51-0 and Southern Utah 56-35).

That's four games that they wouldn't have gotten away with in the SEC, Big 12, etc.  If those teams had been South Carolina, Texas Tech, Iowa, and Arkansas...they would have lost two of them.

Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: jadennis on January 05, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
Their fans are in for a rude awakening if they think the Texas defense is anything like what they will face Thursday...

Maybe, but I think Texas has a very good defense.  Do you think Alabama's is so much better?  I would say Alabama's is probably the best, but Texas and Nebraska (and usually Florida) are right behind them.

Statistically they are about even overall:

Alabama is #2 in total defense, Texas is #3.  
Alabama is #3 in scoring defense, Texas is #8.  
Texas is #2 in picks, Alabama is #5.
Texas is #6 in tackles for a loss, Alabama is #20.
Texas is #5 in sacks, Alabama is #32.
Texas is #2 in 3rd down conversion %, Alabama is #3. (surprisingly, Auburn was #17).

Going by Rivals power rankings at each position, Texas also has some impact players.
On the D-line, Alabama has Terrance Cody, Texas has Sergio Kindle.
At linebacker, Alabama has Rolando McClain, Texas has Roddrick Muckelroy.
In the back, Texas has Earl Thomas, Alabama has Arenas and Barron.

I just think both teams have excellent, well-coached defenses that are full of play makers.  One may play better than another come game day, but they are two of the best overall and there isn't too much difference.

Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: GH2001 on January 05, 2010, 11:11:32 AM
Maybe, but I think Texas has a very good defense.  Do you think Alabama's is so much better?  I would say Alabama's is probably the best, but Texas and Nebraska (and usually Florida) are right behind them.

Statistically they are about even overall:

Alabama is #2 in total defense, Texas is #3. 
Alabama is #3 in scoring defense, Texas is #8. 
Texas is #2 in picks, Alabama is #5.
Texas is #6 in tackles for a loss, Alabama is #20.
Texas is #5 in sacks, Alabama is #32.
Texas is #2 in 3rd down conversion %, Alabama is #3. (surprisingly, Auburn was #17).

Going by Rivals power rankings at each position, Texas also has some impact players.
On the D-line, Alabama has Terrance Cody, Texas has Sergio Kindle.
At linebacker, Alabama has Rolando McClain, Texas has Roddrick Muckelroy.
In the back, Texas has Earl Brown, Alabama has Arenas and Barron.

I just think both teams have excellent, well-coached defenses that are full of play makers.  One may play better than another come game day, but they are two of the best overall and there isn't too much difference.



If Bama played Texas' schedule, they would be a runaway #1 in Total D. Just saying.  And if any Texas fan thinks Earl Thomas should have won the Thorpe Award merely based on his INT's, over Eric Berry than they are seriously delusional. After the INT stat, Berry has Thomas beat in every statistical category, nevermind he plays on the line moreso than Thomas, ala the INTs Thomas gets more of.... Plus throw in the fact that last time I checked Muschamp was still the DC which means their CB's still don't know how to turn their heads on post routes. Julio will eat them alive IF that happens. Texas' bread n butter on D is their Run D.....Do I hate Bama? Sure  But I am not keen on Texas either. It is what it is on paper. Texas will need to bring their A game and then some. It could happen, no doubt - Utah did it last year. But I sure as hell wouldn't put cash on it.

As far as the Cowbell goes, this is awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6oYj55TTpU&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6oYj55TTpU&feature=related#)
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: Thrilla on January 05, 2010, 11:24:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-r02-oZAW4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-r02-oZAW4#)

I saw this live last night.  I ROFL'd.  Then I watched it over and over again, squirting in my pants each time.







Then I realized she was blind, and felt bad about causing such a mess in my boxers.
Title: Re: Boise State win the Fiesta
Post by: jadennis on January 05, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Another good match-up in the game will be red-zone conversion.

Alabama is #2 in Red Zone defense, allowing only 8 TDs in 23 trips inside the red zone.  However, Texas is #3 in Red Zone offense, scoring TDs on 40 of their 56 trips inside the red zone.

On the other side, Texas' Red Zone defense is only ranked #44, giving up a TD on 15 of 30 trips in the red zone.  However, Alabama is only 35th in Red Zone offense, scoring TDs on only 25 of 55 trips in the red zone.  And to see that it's probably even more even than #44 vs #35, of Alabama's 25 TDs, 18 were rushing.  For Texas, of the 15 TDs they allowed in the red zone, only 5 of them were on the ground.

So there are a lot of strength vs strength things going on in the red zone for these two teams.  Great red zone offense (Texas), great red zone defense (Alabama).  Poor red zone offense (Alabama), poor red zone defense (Texas).  But on the "poor" side, Alabama's strength is running, Texas' strength is stopping the run.

So even if one or both teams end up being able to move the ball a bit, things will get interesting when it's time to put the ball in the end zone.