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Found this in the comments section of an espn story about AU.
glynn77493 (10/5/2009 at 4:08 PM) Report Violation
lol, Auburn is in for a serious wakeup come saturday.....Bama is the only team to shut down Ark explosive offense so far...im sure if we had played Tenn and Miss state we'd be 2-0 in sec play also...We screwed up again Georgia, but Georgia is a great team, ask the people who have played them, and Bama, well Bama is Bama and could probably take on most NFL teams and win...so we'll see how well Auburn does with a real SEC foe...Best of luck to ya'll but its gona be a long road trip back to alabama and back out of the rankings
I thought only bama fans were this arrogant.
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Found this in the comments section of an espn story about AU.
glynn77493 (10/5/2009 at 4:08 PM) Report Violation
lol, Auburn is in for a serious wakeup come saturday.....Bama is the only team to shut down Ark explosive offense so far...im sure if we had played Tenn and Miss state we'd be 2-0 in sec play also...We screwed up again Georgia, but Georgia is a great team, ask the people who have played them, and Bama, well Bama is Bama and could probably take on most NFL teams and win...so we'll see how well Auburn does with a real SEC foe...Best of luck to ya'll but its gona be a long road trip back to alabama and back out of the rankings
I thought only bama fans were this arrogant.
That sounds like it IS a Bama fan. And he obviously didn't watch the same first quarter against Kentucky that I did. LOL
We have our work cut out for us, for sure. I think it's definitely VERY possible that we lose. We're not a great overall team. We're really good, but not great. And it will catch up with us sooner or later.
Arkansas: It's going to be a shoot out, for sure. Our RB's, QB and Receivers are going to have to be ON that afternoon. Our Oline will also need to be straight up prepared for assault.
Our D... well, I just hope they survive and don't come home in body bags. LOL
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Found this in the comments section of an espn story about AU.
glynn77493 (10/5/2009 at 4:08 PM) Report Violation
lol, Auburn is in for a serious wakeup come saturday.....Bama is the only team to shut down Ark explosive offense so far...im sure if we had played Tenn and Miss state we'd be 2-0 in sec play also...We screwed up again Georgia, but Georgia is a great team, ask the people who have played them, and Bama, well Bama is Bama and could probably take on most NFL teams and win...so we'll see how well Auburn does with a real SEC foe...Best of luck to ya'll but its gona be a long road trip back to alabama and back out of the rankings
I thought only bama fans were this arrogant.
Call me arrogant. I think we win, too. I think we win every game until it is over.
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Arky,
Wow, the hogs are wild this year. I believe this will be a smash mouth SEC match up, I'm in Auburn's corner every time all of the time. The one thing that has me concerned is how bad will Auburn hurt you. I'm predicting Arky will see the up close and personal the Eye of the Tiger. I'm looking for an all out failure of the Arky OL due to mental mistakes and being physically manhandled. I'm also going to enjoy seeing Mallet eat dirt all night, that's if he is able to stand in the second quarter. A physical beat down of Arky would make me a very happy man indeed. That's what I wanna see. Oh, and it would be nice to see Eltoro in the Arky backfield doing some damage too. Good luck Hogs. NOT!
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Call me arrogant. I think we win, too. I think we win every game until it is over.
Titz, you are the :tits:
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Good luck Hogs. NOT!
Not?
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Call me arrogant. I think we win, too. I think we win every game until it is over.
Difference between confident and arrogant.
I'm confident. I'm not arrogant.
OK, scratch that. I get a little cocky on some things. But not really about football, and I'm not obnoxious about it.
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I think this will be a helluva game. I want no one hurt and hope both teams win out the rest of the season.
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I think this will be a helluva game. I want no one hurt and hope both teams win out the rest of the season.
This is what I think Auburn will bring to the game Saturday....
Prediction for the Fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1TxiVhrkZA&feature=related#)
and then.....
Rocky IV-Apollo Dies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NTUmrOfyUA&feature=related#)
"There is no sound greater than the sound of your opponent's bones crushing beneath your feet" - Genghis Khan
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Dirty pool. :bag:
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Not?
Sarcasm intended.
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Dirty pool. :bag:
I love the expression on the guy's face on the sideline.
Wingo. Practice saying it now.
Arkansas vs. Texas A&M 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZAFLho2xo#)
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I love the expression on the guy's face on the sideline.
Wingo. Practice saying it now.
Arkansas vs. Texas A&M 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZAFLho2xo#)
Damn....after watching that video, I wish Auburn could play aTm, AC would pass Groves and Washington for the alltime sacks leader...in one game, because I don't think #74 blocked Anyone on any of the passing plays. Hell, his offensive teammate, LT #64 helped make a tackle on his own RB. I never thought I would see a Mark Pera playing for another team ever again.
There was one Shotgun play that as soon as it was snapped, #74 stood up, extended his arms, stepped back ONE yard never touching the DE, then spun around as the QB was nearly broke in half by both DEs.
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Damn....after watching that video, I wish Auburn could play aTm, AC would pass Groves and Washington for the alltime sacks leader...in one game, because I don't think #74 blocked Anyone on any of the passing plays. Hell, his offensive teammate, LT #64 helped make a tackle on his own RB. I never thought I would see a Mark Pera playing for another team ever again.
There was one Shotgun play that as soon as it was snapped, #74 stood up, extended his arms, stepped back ONE yard never touching the DE, then spun around as the QB was nearly broke in half by both DEs.
A&M sucked on D. Just what we needed after losing to Georgia and getting shit stomped by Bama. I know yall hate it, but Bama is the real deal this year from my perspective.
Let's see how yall do against them. Yall get them at the end of the season. Wer got them right off the bat.
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Found this in the comments section of an espn story about AU.
glynn77493 (10/5/2009 at 4:08 PM) Report Violation
lol, Auburn is in for a serious wakeup come saturday.....Bama is the only team to shut down Ark explosive offense so far...im sure if we had played Tenn and Miss state we'd be 2-0 in sec play also...We screwed up again Georgia, but Georgia is a great team, ask the people who have played them, and Bama, well Bama is Bama and could probably take on most NFL teams and win...so we'll see how well Auburn does with a real SEC foe...Best of luck to ya'll but its gona be a long road trip back to alabama and back out of the rankings
I thought only bama fans were this arrogant.
I have been a hog fan all my life, but crap like this makes it tough sometimes. I think we will win if we come out and play a good game, but our "special" teams play scares the hell out of me. I can't imagine what this guy saw in Ark's games so far to give him this kind of confidence. Every time we have to kick the ball or catch a kick, I start sucking my thumb and rocking back and forth, just praying it will turn out all right. Also not sure what he saw from Georgia to make him think they are world beaters. I'm betting Ok St. fans don't think Georgia is all that great.
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A&M sucked on D. Just what we needed after losing to Georgia and getting shit stomped by Bama. I know yall hate it, but Bama is the real deal this year from my perspective.
Let's see how yall do against them. Yall get them at the end of the season. Wer got them right off the bat.
aTm might suck ballsacks, but Damn I LOVE the all white uniforms. Did they just break out the all whites against y'all, because of the old rivalry?
As for their Defense suckin' too....
Arkansas:
Offensive plays....58
Total Net yardage....434
Outcome:
Arkansas - 47
aTm - 19
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Every time we have to kick the ball or catch a kick, I start sucking my thumb and rocking back and forth, just praying it will turn out all right.
We have something in common.
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After watching the video I was a tad concerned about the capability of the Arkansas offense.
Then I did some research on Texas A&M. The Aggies gave up 521 yards to Utah State (1-3) and barely held on for a 38-30 win.
Anemic UAB tallied over 300 in a loss to the Ags.
TAMU just isn't good on defense at all. So that video doesn't really mean much. Auburn would put up 600 yards on TAMU and score at least 47.
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Sarcasm intended.
I'm sure it was.
I was simply noting that "not" is ridiculous. It was ridiculous in 1993 when it was popular. Don't bring it back.
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I'm sure it was.
I was simply noting that "not" is ridiculous. It was ridiculous in 1993 when it was popular. Don't bring it back.
Word
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Call me arrogant. I think we win, too. I think we win every game until it is over.
That's just confident, not arrogant...and you didn't mention anything about Alabama winning NFL games, so you're in the clear.
Truth is, if Mallet has time to stand around and look down field, we're in big trouble on the defensive side of the ball. That was the main thing Alabama did...they got to him, gave him about 2 seconds to find a receiver and make a decision. If he has 4+ seconds, we'll need to score 50 to win.
Good news...we may score 50.
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Arky,
Wow, the hogs are wild this year. I believe this will be a smash mouth SEC match up, I'm in Auburn's corner every time all of the time. The one thing that has me concerned is how bad will Auburn hurt you. I'm predicting Arky will see the up close and personal the Eye of the Tiger. I'm looking for an all out failure of the Arky OL due to mental mistakes and being physically manhandled. I'm also going to enjoy seeing Mallet eat dirt all night, that's if he is able to stand in the second quarter. A physical beat down of Arky would make me a very happy man indeed. That's what I wanna see. Oh, and it would be nice to see Eltoro in the Arky backfield doing some damage too. Good luck Hogs. NOT!
There's no dirt in Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium. We're a rubber pellet team now.
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There's no dirt in Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium. We're a rubber pellet team now.
Yea well there is a lot of bush though
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If I'm Mallett and Arky's OC, I go after Bates right off the bat. AU's secondary will have to bring their A-game, but I think they can pull it off. If AU can get good consistant pressure on the QB, which I think they will, it may be an Alabama type score or worse. I just don't see Arky's defense stopping AU. I'll go out on a limb and say theres no way in hell that it happens. Much like the Alabama game, I think the hawg fans know what they're getting in to. Arkansas is going to need alot more than a good QB to win games in the SEC. As I've said before, I think they are looking at a season much like last season. Until they can put together a few solid recruiting classes, its going to stay that way.
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If I'm Mallett and Arky's OC, I go after Bates right off the bat. AU's secondary will have to bring their A-game, but I think they can pull it off. If AU can get good consistant pressure on the QB, which I think they will, it may be an Alabama type score or worse. I just don't see Arky's defense stopping AU. I'll go out on a limb and say theres no way in hell that it happens. Much like the Alabama game, I think the hawg fans know what they're getting in to. Arkansas is going to need alot more than a good QB to win games in the SEC. As I've said before, I think they are looking at a season much like last season. Until they can put together a few solid recruiting classes, its going to stay that way.
Great. All we need now is to have Corso pick us and we're completely fucked.
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Great. All we need now is to have Corso pick us and we're completely fucked.
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Seriously, though. Who would actually pick Arky to win this game other than Arkansas fans? A good defense can tame AU's offense enough to keep the game manageable, but Arkansas' defense is an insult to the word terrible. Arky has a passing game, but thats about it. No running game + no defense = no SEC wins.
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Seriously, though. Who would actually pick Arky to win this game other than Arkansas fans? A good defense can tame AU's offense enough to keep the game manageable, but Arkansas' defense is an insult to the word terrible. Arky has a passing game, but thats about it. No running game + no defense = no SEC wins.
That's gonna' leave a mark. Boartitz?....General?...Anyone?
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Seriously, though. Who would actually pick Arky to win this game other than Arkansas fans? A good defense can tame AU's offense enough to keep the game manageable, but Arkansas' defense is an insult to the word terrible. Arky has a passing game, but thats about it. No running game + no defense = no SEC wins.
Ricky, how do you know a good defense can tame AU's offense?
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Ricky, how do you know a good defense can tame AU's offense?
I thought Tennessee was supposed to have a good defense. Right?
The difference for me in this game is that Arkansaw actually has people who can pitch and catch. UT didn't. And I'm just not sure our DC understands what needs to be done. As RWS said, they put pressure on Mallet all day and threw him off. That's exactly what we needed to do to UT all night. Stack the box, and stay in Crompton's face. They eventually adjusted to the brilliantly devised Rush 4 scheme that Roof called 412 times in a row.
If he does that against the Hawgs, we won't score enough points.
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I thought Tennessee was supposed to have a good defense. Right?
The difference for me in this game is that Arkansaw actually has people who can pitch and catch. UT didn't. And I'm just not sure our DC understands what needs to be done. As RWS said, they put pressure on Mallet all day and threw him off. That's exactly what we needed to do to UT all night. Stack the box, and stay in Crompton's face. They eventually adjusted to the brilliantly devised Rush 4 scheme that Roof called 412 times in a row.
If he does that against the Hawgs, we won't score enough points.
No, no, no. UT does not have a good defense now that AU beat them. If we would have lost people would be saying, see I told you that UT defense was too much for yalls gimmick offense.
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I thought Tennessee was supposed to have a good defense. Right?
The difference for me in this game is that Arkansaw actually has people who can pitch and catch. UT didn't. And I'm just not sure our DC understands what needs to be done. As RWS said, they put pressure on Mallet all day and threw him off. That's exactly what we needed to do to UT all night. Stack the box, and stay in Crompton's face. They eventually adjusted to the brilliantly devised Rush 4 scheme that Roof called 412 times in a row.
If he does that against the Hawgs, we won't score enough points.
If AU's dline can push the pocket with just the front 4, that gives everybody else a chance to drop back into coverage. Bringing in pressure with a corner would be good to mix it up from time to time, but you better hope like hell he is fast....and strong. AU's secondary could somewhat afford to play a softer than normal zone against UT due to Crompton's inability to throw. I was wondering why AU wasn't running a better scheme up front. I figured they would just blitz the living shit out of Crompton all night. Even if one of his receivers manages to get hot, do you really think he's going to get the ball to him while being chased around? Fuck no, he's probably going to throw an INT.
The AU secondary is going to have to be on their toes and play a little tighter against Arky. I'm not so sure that AU couldn't play man against them, actually. I just really don't see what Arkansas has at WR that could consistantly beat guys like McFadden and Bates in man. I just don't understand what Mallett was thinking when he came to Arkansas.
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I thought Tennessee was supposed to have a good defense. Right?
Tennesee's D holding Florida to 23 and Auburn to 26 tells me they are good. Once Monte fully adjusts back to the college game, they should be even better.
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Tennesee's D holding Florida to 23 and Auburn to 26 tells me they are good. Once Monte fully adjusts back to the college game, they should be even better.
I don't want this to come off as an arrogant statement but the reality is both games were/could have/should have been much much worse score wise. UF turned it over going in for a 30-3 lead. From there, it would have turned out to the raping and pillaging most predicted. Once UT got the TO, they did exactly what Meyer accused them of doing...playing just to keep it close. They did the one thing you can actually do against Florida, pound the ball right at them. It gave UT zero chance of winning, but it kept them from being blown out and made everyone say, "Damn, that Tennessee may be better than we think".
I think UT is in for several more ass whippings this year. As much as it pains me to say it, I think Bammie will pound them into kitty litter.
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If AU's dline can push the pocket with just the front 4, that gives everybody else a chance to drop back into coverage. Bringing in pressure with a corner would be good to mix it up from time to time, but you better hope like hell he is fast....and strong. AU's secondary could somewhat afford to play a softer than normal zone against UT due to Crompton's inability to throw. I was wondering why AU wasn't running a better scheme up front. I figured they would just blitz the living shit out of Crompton all night. Even if one of his receivers manages to get hot, do you really think he's going to get the ball to him while being chased around? Fuck no, he's probably going to throw an INT.
The AU secondary is going to have to be on their toes and play a little tighter against Arky. I'm not so sure that AU couldn't play man against them, actually. I just really don't see what Arkansas has at WR that could consistantly beat guys like McFadden and Bates in man. I just don't understand what Mallett was thinking when he came to Arkansas.
Oh I don't know, maybe he was thinking I'd like to play for a coach who puts QB's in the NFL?? Or maybe he was thinking I'd like to go back to my favorite school and rewrite the record books? (already had two in 5 games - most TD's in a game and most yards in a game).
Actually, he was probably thinking, I'd like to go to Alabama, but $aban is a total asshole, he treats his players like shit, their fans are a bunch of shitbirds, and they haven't put a decent qb in the league since the drunk in the pressbox played. I guess I could play there a few years then hang out with Jay Barker on the radio. Nah, I think I'll go back home instead.
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Oh I don't know, maybe he was thinking I'd like to play for a coach who puts QB's in the NFL?? Or maybe he was thinking I'd like to go back to my favorite school and rewrite the record books? (already had two in 5 games - most TD's in a game and most yards in a game).
Actually, he was probably thinking, I'd like to go to Alabama, but $aban is a total asshole, he treats his players like shit, their fans are a bunch of shitbirds, and they haven't put a decent qb in the league since the drunk in the pressbox played. I guess I could play there a few years then hang out with Jay Barker on the radio. Nah, I think I'll go back home instead.
A tall, strong armed quarterback wanting to play in Bobby Petrino's system? What the hell was he thinking?
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Once Monte fully adjusts back to the college game, they should be even better.
They will be throwing dirt in his face before that happens.
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Re: Auburn's Offensive Coordinator, Gus Malzahn, getting it done!
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Just a couple of notes about Malzahn.
He did not invent the Wildcat, Dicky Nutt did.
He was essentially relieved of his OC duties mid season at Ark because he wanted to throw the ball with Mustain rather than run McFadden and Jones. GM almost cost Ark the Bama game. Nutt replaced an undefeated Mustain with ? and they took off.
GM was co-OC at Tulsa in charge of the passing game in Todd Graham's offense. The same O that Applewhite ran very successfully under him at Rice.
Having cleared some of that up, GM is doing a good job at AU. They are much more organized than I was led to believe regarding Spring and Fall practice. AU had more talent on O than was apparent last year and ?McCalleb? is a find. Again, GM has done a good job with what he's got.
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Just a couple of notes about Malzahn.
He did not invent the Wildcat, tooly Nutt did.
He was essentially relieved of his OC duties mid season at Ark because he wanted to throw the ball with Mustain rather than run McFadden and Jones. GM almost cost Ark the Bama game. Nutt replaced an undefeated Mustain with ? and they took off.
GM was co-OC at Tulsa in charge of the passing game in Todd Graham's offense. The same O that Applewhite ran very successfully under him at Rice.
Having cleared some of that up, GM is doing a good job at AU. They are much more organized than I was led to believe regarding Spring and Fall practice. AU had more talent on O than was apparent last year and ?McCalleb? is a find. Again, GM has done a good job with what he's got.
It's better to let people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Not a single thing he mentioned re: Arkansas or Gus at Tulsa was accurate. Or even close to accurate.
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Re: Auburn's Offensive Coordinator, Gus Malzahn, getting it done!
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Just a couple of notes about Malzahn.
He did not invent the Wildcat, Dicky Nutt did.
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GM was co-OC at Tulsa in charge of the passing game in Todd Graham's offense. The same O that Applewhite ran very successfully under him at Rice.
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The Owls hated him, as did the bammers.
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It's better to let people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Not a single thing he mentioned re: Arkansas or Gus at Tulsa was accurate. Or even close to accurate.
I don't even follow Arky football that closely and I can say without any shadow of a doubt that this is 100% horsehockey.
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Yea well there is a lot of bush though
Probably the nasty, scrubby, tangled, all natural, chigger infested kind tho... [shudder]
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Probably the nasty, scrubby, tangled, all natural, chigger infested kind tho... [shudder]
Ahh. The elusive Serengeti bush.
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He was essentially relieved of his OC duties mid season at Ark because he wanted to throw the ball with Mustain rather than run McFadden and Jones.
None of us were there behind closed doors, but you would have to get Malzahn to personally call me on my cell phone and admit to what you just wrote above before I would consider believing it....and even then I might just think one of the Springdale parents was holding a gun to his head.
Look at his history....as short as it is, there is no reason to think he didn't want to run McFadden and Jones, that's just ridiculous. Look at interviews he's had about 2007 and 2008 Tulsa. In 2007 they threw the ball over 385 yards and ran it for only 170+. However, he stated that it was because they weren't effective at running the ball and he would have preferred to run it more. In 2008, the line was better and so he did run it more...nearly 100 yards more (almost 270 yards a game) and threw for just over 300.
He probably wanted to throw more than the 15 attempts per game that they did, but to say he didn't want to run McFadden and Jones just goes against everything we've observed about Malzahn.
Regardless of the play-calling preference that he may have had or not had, there are two things you can look at to see that he had zero freedom in controlling the offense his way.....number of plays and tempo.
Since you claim he was relieved of his duties midway, look just at the first six games.
Here are the number of plays run game by game: 59, 60, 59, 53, 55, and 64 (58 avg).
Compare that to his first five games at Auburn this year: 79, 83, 74, 63, and 83 (76 avg).
To make it so simple as "he didn't want to run McFadden and Jones" is just a Nutt version of why things didn't work out. It's obvious that from game one (59 plays), Nutt wasn't letting Malzahn control the offense. That was the problem....anything beyond that (passing or running) is irrelevant.
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None of us were there behind closed doors, but you would have to get Malzahn to personally call me on my cell phone and admit to what you just wrote above before I would consider believing it....and even then I might just think one of the Springdale parents was holding a gun to his head.
Look at his history....as short as it is, there is no reason to think he didn't want to run McFadden and Jones, that's just ridiculous. Look at interviews he's had about 2007 and 2008 Tulsa. In 2007 they threw the ball over 385 yards and ran it for only 170+. However, he stated that it was because they weren't effective at running the ball and he would have preferred to run it more. In 2008, the line was better and so he did run it more...nearly 100 yards more (almost 270 yards a game) and threw for just over 300.
He probably wanted to throw more than the 15 attempts per game that they did, but to say he didn't want to run McFadden and Jones just goes against everything we've observed about Malzahn.
Regardless of the play-calling preference that he may have had or not had, there are two things you can look at to see that he had zero freedom in controlling the offense his way.....number of plays and tempo.
Since you claim he was relieved of his duties midway, look just at the first six games.
Here are the number of plays run game by game: 59, 60, 59, 53, 55, and 64 (58 avg).
Compare that to his first five games at Auburn this year: 79, 83, 74, 63, and 83 (76 avg).
To make it so simple as "he didn't want to run McFadden and Jones" is just a Nutt version of why things didn't work out. It's obvious that from game one (59 plays), Nutt wasn't letting Malzahn control the offense. That was the problem....anything beyond that (passing or running) is irrelevant.
I didn't say that. Copy and paster from a Bammer board.
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I didn't say that. Copy and paster from a Bammer board.
I think he knew that. I thought he was just giving you some ammo.
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Oh I don't know, maybe he was thinking I'd like to play for a coach who puts QB's in the NFL?? Or maybe he was thinking I'd like to go back to my favorite school and rewrite the record books? (already had two in 5 games - most TD's in a game and most yards in a game).
Actually, he was probably thinking, I'd like to go to Alabama, but $aban is a total asshole, he treats his players like shit, their fans are a bunch of shitbirds, and they haven't put a decent qb in the league since the drunk in the pressbox played. I guess I could play there a few years then hang out with Jay Barker on the radio. Nah, I think I'll go back home instead.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that ONLY at Arkansas he would have the opportunity to break a few records? I'm pretty sure any SEC school, with the exception of UF, would have taken him. I guess if he was only concerned with breaking records, but didn't give a shit about winning, then Arkansas was the right choice for him. But that would also make him one of the dumbest players in college football. Outside of UF, I think he would have had a good shot at playing at any SEC school this season.
Greg McElroy has already re-written one record. The offense under his direction has broken another record as well, scoring over 30 points in 5 straight games. Our first 3 games, we've had 500 or more yards on offense. With a QB who has never started a game before.
AU has scored the most points in the SEC, and Alabama is only a TD behind them. Can you just imagine had he gone to AU? They would be scoring 80 points a game with 700 yards of offense a game probably. Their offense has already broken a few records, I think. Only problem is, I don't think he's a "system" QB.
Its not like Arkansas has the only QB in the league breaking some records. Say what you want about Alabama and who we've put in the NFL. JPW seems to be doing well. The Falcons actually cut the QB that was in front of JPW that has been in the NFL. So, apparently he didn't do so terribly. If McElroy keeps it together this season and next, I would imagine he would be drafted in a respectable round. Is CNS a dick? Yes. Is it tough to play for him? Yes. Are you probably going to win a shitload of games and get alot of attention from NFL scouts playing for him? Yes.
Not happening so much playing for Arkansas. But like I said, if he just wants to break some records and doesn't give a shit about winning games, then Arkansas is the right place for him. I know some here said Arkansas would me much improved this season, but I said it then and I'll say it now; you're wrong.
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Running a pro style offense under Petrino will prepare him for the pros. He wanted to go to Arkansas right out of high school, but Nutt wanted him to play TE.
You're right, he is not a "system" QB. That's why he knew it was time to go when RichRod became the coach at Mich. He may draft as high as any QB in the SEC this year, just on his size and raw ability alone.
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He went to Arkansas because of what he saw Petrino do at Louisville. End of story.
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He went to Arkansas because of what he saw Petrino do at Louisville. End of story.
Too bad Petrino is the new Spurrier.
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Too bad Petrino is the new Spurrier.
I don't think I would count Petrino out quite yet.
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I don't think I would count Petrino out quite yet.
Maybe not yet, but with Auburn, Florida and Ole Miss in the next 3 weeks, he's looking at possibly starting 0-5 in SEC play.
If that ain't a 10 count for this season, I'm not sure what is.
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I don't think I would count Petrino out quite yet.
If he had a recruiting base like we have here in Alabama, then maybe I would agree with you. If he had something to work with right off the bat, maybe I would agree with you. He has nothing on campus outside of Mallett. He has nothing spectacular coming in recruit wise. He isn't a beastly recruiter to begin with. Petrino will not be able to consistantly win in the SEC....you can write that down.
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I think people (besides the casual fans) probably understood that Arkansas could actually be quite a bit better this year and end up with the same or only slightly better record.
They get Georgia and Florida from the East, along with West road games of Alabama, Ole Miss, and LSU.
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If he had a recruiting base like we have here in Alabama, then maybe I would agree with you. If he had something to work with right off the bat, maybe I would agree with you. He has nothing on campus outside of Mallett. He has nothing spectacular coming in recruit wise. He isn't a beastly recruiter to begin with. Petrino will not be able to consistantly win in the SEC....you can write that down.
If he can't recruit, then you're right....you can't win anywhere if you can't recruit. But you can win at Arkansas. It's been done quite a bit through the years (everyone knows of Frank Broyles...he had eight 9 win seasons, including three 10+ win seasons from 64 to 68. Then there was Dr Lou who had another four 9 win seasons in his 7 seasons there, including going 30-5 from 77 to 79. Then Ken Hatfield went 48-13 from 85 to 89. It was the Crowe, Kines, Ford era that derailed them...oh yeah, and joining the SEC).
But they are actually in a relatively good position as far as being an SEC school, so they can recruit in the southeast, but also being practically in Big 12 country. There is no reason Arkansas can't get the Chase Daniels and Michael Crabtrees that schools like Missouri, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M are getting out of the southwest.
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I think people (besides the casual fans) probably understood that Arkansas could actually be quite a bit better this year and end up with the same or only slightly better record.
They get Georgia and Florida from the East, along with West road games of Alabama, Ole Miss, and LSU.
That depends on your stance of "better". Aside from having a great quarterback, where are they better? Michael Smith, who had over 1000 yards rushing last season, has only 180 yards on 32 carries. He hasn't had more than 12 carries in a game yet. Arkansas has no balance.
The sad thing is, aside from having a good running back in Michael Smith, they also have a great freshman runningback in Ronnie Wingo Jr. Of course, their only shot at meaningful touches will be screen plays.
As for their schedule, it isn't any tougher this year than it was last year. Trade Kentucky for Georgia, and Texas A&M for Texas. Hell, I'd say it was tougher last year.
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That depends on your stance of "better". Aside from having a great quarterback, where are they better? Michael Smith, who had over 1000 yards rushing last season, has only 180 yards on 32 carries. He hasn't had more than 12 carries in a game yet. Arkansas has no balance.
The sad thing is, aside from having a good running back in Michael Smith, they also have a great freshman runningback in Ronnie Wingo Jr. Of course, their only shot at meaningful touches will be screen plays.
Diversity. Folks have been keying on Smith and you forgot DJ Williams. That is leaving our receivers more open. 3 of whom are in the top 10 in the SEC.
Smith and Williams are still threats, just not carrying the load like they had to last year. Casey Dick's favorite plays last year was to hand off to Smith or dink the ball to DJ. We have more options this year.
I like our freshman RBs. Wingo and Davis are gonna be good ones. Our big back transfer from USCwest has been running like a pussy up until last week.
One of these days, Alice, one of our backs will have a breakout day. Bobby will feed the hot hand.
I'm saving the Talley pic for Saturday. It's like a talisman, man.
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Diversity. Folks have been keying on Smith and you forgot DJ Williams. That is leaving our receivers more open. 3 of whom are in the top 10 in the SEC.
Smith and Williams are still threats, just not carrying the load like they had to last year. Casey Dick's favorite plays last year was to hand off to Smith or dink the ball to DJ. We have more options this year.
I like our freshman RBs. Wingo and Davis are gonna be good ones. Our big back transfer from USCwest has been running like a pussy up until last week.
One of these days, Alice, one of our backs will have a breakout day. Bobby will feed the hot hand.
I'm saving the Talley pic for Saturday. It's like a talisman, man.
Mods, if this man posts another Talley picture, I want him banned....banned I tell ya.
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Diversity. Folks have been keying on Smith and you forgot DJ Williams. That is leaving our receivers more open. 3 of whom are in the top 10 in the SEC.
Smith and Williams are still threats, just not carrying the load like they had to last year. Casey Dick's favorite plays last year was to hand off to Smith or dink the ball to DJ. We have more options this year.
I like our freshman RBs. Wingo and Davis are gonna be good ones. Our big back transfer from USCwest has been running like a pussy up until last week.
One of these days, Alice, one of our backs will have a breakout day. Bobby will feed the hot hand.
I'm saving the Talley pic for Saturday. It's like a talisman, man.
You keep saying they are better than last year, and they have more options and weapons than last year, yet we still get the same results and performances from last year. You know what the only difference is from last year? Arkansas is beating scrub teams by more than 4 points, and they played us in Tuscaloosa this year. Thats pretty much it. Oh, and that they will lose to AU this weekend.
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I think people (besides the casual fans) probably understood that Arkansas could actually be quite a bit better this year and end up with the same or only slightly better record.
They get Georgia and Florida from the East, along with West road games of Alabama, Ole Miss, and LSU.
It takes a few years to get your team together. Petrino has really had only one recruiting class(#17,IIRC). He honored the commitments from Nutt's recruiting his first year.
I'm sure Auburn was in the same situation this last year.
When both of our teams get players for their styles, it's gonna shake some stuff up in the SEC.
Petrino's scheme seems to take longer to learn for some reason. I think it may be that he is a perfectionist.
Gus seems to be able to implement his offense fairly quick. Right off the bat at Tulsa and now here.
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If he can't recruit, then you're right....you can't win anywhere if you can't recruit. But you can win at Arkansas. It's been done quite a bit through the years (everyone knows of Frank Broyles...he had eight 9 win seasons, including three 10+ win seasons from 64 to 68. Then there was Dr Lou who had another four 9 win seasons in his 7 seasons there, including going 30-5 from 77 to 79. Then Ken Hatfield went 48-13 from 85 to 89. It was the Crowe, Kines, Ford era that derailed them...oh yeah, and joining the SEC).
But they are actually in a relatively good position as far as being an SEC school, so they can recruit in the southeast, but also being practically in Big 12 country. There is no reason Arkansas can't get the Chase Daniels and Michael Crabtrees that schools like Missouri, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M are getting out of the southwest.
I never said nobody could win at Arkansas. I said Petrino can't win at Arkansas. Logistically, yes, they are in a good position. But they don't have a ton of in-state talent to dip from. That increases the number of guys they have to fight other schools for. I'm sorry, but Arkansas isn't going to score alot of blue-chip talent from the AL/MS/GA/FL area going up against UA/AU, OM/MSU, UGA, UF/U/FSU.
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Oh, and that they will lose to AU this weekend.
Look here Corso, if you persist with making this statement I am gonna have to ban you for the rest of the week.
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It takes a few years to get your team together. Petrino has really had only one recruiting class(#17,IIRC). He honored the commitments from Nutt's recruiting his first year.
I'm sure Auburn was in the same situation this last year.
When both of our teams get players for their styles, it's gonna shake some stuff up in the SEC.
Petrino's scheme seems to take longer to learn for some reason. I think it may be that he is a perfectionist.
Gus seems to be able to implement his offense fairly quick. Right off the bat at Tulsa and now here.
I don't know if you've been living under a rock, but AU is already starting to shake things up. They went from 5-7 to 5-0 this season with a new staff. They have their players for their system. Alabama went from 7-6 CNS' first season to damn near playing for the MNC in the second......you think its easy to learn his defense? You think Saban isn't anal retentive?
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I never said nobody could win at Arkansas. I said Petrino can't win at Arkansas. Logistically, yes, they are in a good position. But they don't have a ton of in-state talent to dip from. That increases the number of guys they have to fight other schools for. I'm sorry, but Arkansas isn't going to score alot of blue-chip talent from the AL/MS/GA/FL area going up against UA/AU, OM/MSU, UGA, UF/U/FSU.
We just signed a 10 year contract to play Texas A&M in the Cowboys new stadium. That gives us good exposure in the state of Texas, which borders us to the west. There are more ball players in that one state than the 4 you just mentioned.
We have never been a big factor in those states. Sure, we get one every now and then, but AR, LA, and TX have been our bread and butter for years.
We also got the top player from MO this year in Petrino's first real recruiting class. You'll see him Saturday.
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I don't know if you've been living under a rock, but AU is already starting to shake things up. They went from 5-7 to 5-0 this season with a new staff. They have their players for their system. Alabama went from 7-6 CNS' first season to damn near playing for the MNC in the second......you think its easy to learn his defense? You think Saban isn't anal retentive?
You just think AU is shaking things up now. Let Gus pick some players for 2-3 years.
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I never said nobody could win at Arkansas. I said Petrino can't win at Arkansas. Logistically, yes, they are in a good position. But they don't have a ton of in-state talent to dip from. That increases the number of guys they have to fight other schools for. I'm sorry, but Arkansas isn't going to score alot of blue-chip talent from the AL/MS/GA/FL area going up against UA/AU, OM/MSU, UGA, UF/U/FSU.
Pore little ole Arkysaw.
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You keep saying they are better than last year, and they have more options and weapons than last year, yet we still get the same results and performances from last year. You know what the only difference is from last year? Arkansas is beating scrub teams by more than 4 points, and they played us in Tuscaloosa this year. Thats pretty much it. Oh, and that they will lose to AU this weekend.
Kick us while we're down. We're not gonna stay there forever.
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I never said nobody could win at Arkansas. I said Petrino can't win at Arkansas. Logistically, yes, they are in a good position. But they don't have a ton of in-state talent to dip from. That increases the number of guys they have to fight other schools for. I'm sorry, but Arkansas isn't going to score alot of blue-chip talent from the AL/MS/GA/FL area going up against UA/AU, OM/MSU, UGA, UF/U/FSU.
RWS, THE GREAT ONE, HAS SPOKEN.
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Can we get this on our Jumbotron?
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Can we get this on our Jumbotron?
Hell, I wish we could get it on ours.
I hear she's an elementary school teacher somewhere south of here.
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Re: Auburn's Offensive Coordinator, Gus Malzahn, getting it done!
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Just a couple of notes about Malzahn.
He did not invent the Wildcat, tooly Nutt did.
He was essentially relieved of his OC duties mid season at Ark because he wanted to throw the ball with Mustain rather than run McFadden and Jones. GM almost cost Ark the Bama game. Nutt replaced an undefeated Mustain with ? and they took off.
GM was co-OC at Tulsa in charge of the passing game in Todd Graham's offense. The same O that Applewhite ran very successfully under him at Rice.
I passed up correcting this jackass initially, but after patronizing happy hour, I can't let it go. Some of you may care, some may not.
I think we all know NEITHER Gus nor anyone with the last name of Nutt invented the wildcat. Gus has NEVER tried to claim credit for it, either. Most do not know this (and most Arkansas fans don't remember this), but the wildcat formation was not used until the 7th game of the 2006 season vs. Ole Miss in Fayetteville. Danny and Houston Nutt claim they ran it pre-Gus, but if that were the case, why did it not see game action until midway through Gus' only season at Arkansas? The bottom line is Gus is the one who brought (not invented) the wildcat offense to Arkansas and taught it to both Danny and Houston Nutt. After Gus left in January 2007 for Tulsa, Frank Broyles publicly stated he told Nutt to rename it to the WildHog. I don't believe this for a second. I think Nutt mentioned it to Frank, Frank ran with it since he is also self-serving, and they essentially took someone else's creation and called it their own.
Here's an article about the wildcat...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574405322525530870.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574405322525530870.html)
Here's what happened with Gus' transition to Tulsa...and this is the VERY short version...
DC Reggie Herring used to verbally taunt Gus in practice calling him "high school" in front of the players and would run blitzes, etc. while Gus was trying to teach the offense the new system. The result was QB Casey tool getting PLASTERED and hurting his back. Therefore, we opened the season with Robert Johnson at QB vs. Southern California (a FINE Nutt recruit that was FCS quality). Also, remember McFadden had his toe severed after fighting at da club a month before the game, so he was about 60%. After we opened with another embarrassing loss to SoCal 50-14, Frank Broyles went to Houston Nutt and told him to scrap Gus' offense and go back to what Nutt was doing. The ironic thing is Gus was not allowed to run HIS offense he ran at Tulsa or Auburn because Nutt wouldn't let him in the first place. So it was NOT the Gus HUNH that was run in the SoCal loss.
Frank told Nutt to start Mustain in game 2 vs. Utah State. We proceed to run off 7 straight wins with Mustain as the starter (although he was not always great, but still a true frosh). We are 7-1 and playing at SCarolina. Mustain throws an INT on our first possession. Casey tool plays the rest of the game (his back was healed from Herring trying to sabotage Gus in practice) and we win. tool gets the start vs. TN the next week (we win due to McFadden/Jones) and then MS State the next week (tool was horrible). We are now 10-1, 7-0 in the SEC heading into a game with LSU in Little Rock. We lose 30-26. Casey tool goes 3-17 for 29 yards passing and played the ENTIRE game. Nutt said after the game he did not put Mustain in the game because he didn't give him enough reps in practice the week of the game. Nutt had also been quoted in the newspaper (I poop you not) that "Casey was the better hander-offer". Meanwhile, Houston, Danny and OL coach Mike Markuson are clearly in charge of final play calling with some input from Gus. We have a month to prepare for Wisconsin in the Capital One Bowl and, I kid you not, Gus was given 14 plays he could call during the game. We lost 17-14. This was also the game Nutt was texting his lover, Donna Bragg, 19 minutes before the damn kickoff (yeah, Nutt was focused). Gus was never able to run his offense and was sabotaged from the start. Gus was NEVER relieved of his OC duties...this would imply he had them in the first place.
Gus then found out Nutt had contacted David Lee towards the end of the season to come on staff as Co-OC or some such BS. Gus shortly announced he was leaving for Tulsa to join Todd Graham. Lee Ziemba committed to Auburn the day after Gus left for Tulsa (he was recruiting Lee).
The "Gus wanted a pass happy offense" is utter BS. At Springdale HS and Shiloh Christian HS, Gus' offense was 50/50 run/pass. If you look at his first year at Tulsa with QB Paul Smith who was better than Mustain has been, Gus' offense averaged 40 run plays and 40 pass plays per game. In his 2nd year at Tulsa, his play calling was 63/37 run/pass. He has a gift for maximizing results out of the talent he possesses, which, of course is something Auburn fans have already figured out. The assertion Gus would have misused McFadden, Jones and Hillis in 2006 had he been given 100% control of the offense is absurd and an insult to anyone with just a layman's knowledge of CFB. I think we all know what happened once Gus was gone and Nutt stripped all the motion and counter schemes out of the offense with all those stud skill players in 2007...back to 4-4 in the SEC.
Todd Graham had already hired an OC when he hired Gus. Hence, the Co-OC titles. However, Graham made no bones about it that Gus had full control. Gus even dictated to Graham the conditioning of the entire team since players on both sides of the ball require excellent conditioning. Graham later admitted doing it Gus' way made him nervous and uneasy, but it worked to perfection. Too bad Tulsa never was able to get ANY defensive talent. To even suggest TU ran a Major Applewhite system under Gus is utter BS.
I am a huge fan of Gus for a number of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with his football abilities. If Auburn gets back to the defensive level of 2004-ish and Gus gets his players, watch out.
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Are you seriously trying to tell me that ONLY at Arkansas he would have the opportunity to break a few records? I'm pretty sure any SEC school, with the exception of UF, would have taken him. I guess if he was only concerned with breaking records, but didn't give a poop about winning, then Arkansas was the right choice for him. But that would also make him one of the dumbest players in college football. Outside of UF, I think he would have had a good shot at playing at any SEC school this season.
Greg McElroy has already re-written one record. The offense under his direction has broken another record as well, scoring over 30 points in 5 straight games. Our first 3 games, we've had 500 or more yards on offense. With a QB who has never started a game before.
AU has scored the most points in the SEC, and Alabama is only a TD behind them. Can you just imagine had he gone to AU? They would be scoring 80 points a game with 700 yards of offense a game probably. Their offense has already broken a few records, I think. Only problem is, I don't think he's a "system" QB.
Its not like Arkansas has the only QB in the league breaking some records. Say what you want about Alabama and who we've put in the NFL. JPW seems to be doing well. The Falcons actually cut the QB that was in front of JPW that has been in the NFL. So, apparently he didn't do so terribly. If McElroy keeps it together this season and next, I would imagine he would be drafted in a respectable round. Is CNS a tool? Yes. Is it tough to play for him? Yes. Are you probably going to win a poopload of games and get alot of attention from NFL scouts playing for him? Yes.
Not happening so much playing for Arkansas. But like I said, if he just wants to break some records and doesn't give a poop about winning games, then Arkansas is the right place for him. I know some here said Arkansas would me much improved this season, but I said it then and I'll say it now; you're wrong.
Ryan Mallett was born in Arkansas and lived there his whole life growing up. He went to school on the TX side of Texarkana because that is where his mother taught. He has never been anything BUT a huge Razorback fan. The summer before Ryan's JR year in HS, Ryan attended Nutt's Arkansas camp. To further prove how bad a judge of talent Nutt actually is, Houston told he should work out with the TE's and force him to do so. With the atrocities in Ryan's recruitment, Mustain committing and reports from some of Ryan's family Nutt never even officially offerered Ryan a scholarship as a QB, Mallett went to Michigan.
Ryan did not love Michigan and had thoughts of a transfer before Carr stepped down. Once the coaching change took place, the opportunity arose for Mallet to transfer to Arkansas. Enter BMFP. Ryan's parents called Brian Brohm's parents to discuss the Petrino brothers. That conversation sealed the deal according to Mallett himself. RWS, Petrino is one of the best offensive minds in football. Even Nick Saban has acknowledged this. ESPN's Chris Mortensen has called Petrino one of the Top 3 offensive coaches in all of football, college or pro, and likely the best. OU DC Brent Venables told an acquaintance last spring Petrino was the best offensive coach in CFB and that was the consensus among top tier FBS coaches. I think you also have to credit QB coach Garrick McGee who gave up an OC job to come to Arkansas. He is an EXCELLENT QB coach and an even better recruiter. When Mallett arrived at Arkansas, he was 265. Petrino has him down to 238, has "fixed" his mechanics and the only two INT's he's thrown all year were 1) off the WR hands batting the ball in the air, and 2) being hit by the nation's sack leader (aTm's Von Miller) and the ball shot up in the air straight to an aTm defender. Mallett can now roll out and throw on the run and has minimized his INT's which were two huge knocks on him at Michigan. He will ONLY get better, especially if our O-line gets their shit together. But there is no doubt there is no one better than Bobby and Paul Petrino and Garrick McGee to get Mallett ready for the next level.
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You guys had a Dick..a Nut..and a Johnson. I don't care if it sounds like a 6th grader...I laugh every time...especially when you played the Cocks.
The "Wildcat" or whatever anyone wants to call it, was being run so far back it's ridiculous. Even David DUI Palmer was torching teams back in..well, whenever the hell he played for Bammer.
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I passed up correcting this jackass initially, but after patronizing happy hour, I can't let it go. Some of you may care, some may not.
I think we all know NEITHER Gus nor anyone with the last name of Nutt invented the wildcat. Gus has NEVER tried to claim credit for it, either. Most do not know this (and most Arkansas fans don't remember this), but the wildcat formation was not used until the 7th game of the 2006 season vs. Ole Miss in Fayetteville. Danny and Houston Nutt claim they ran it pre-Gus, but if that were the case, why did it not see game action until midway through Gus' only season at Arkansas? The bottom line is Gus is the one who brought (not invented) the wildcat offense to Arkansas and taught it to both Danny and Houston Nutt. After Gus left in January 2007 for Tulsa, Frank Broyles publicly stated he told Nutt to rename it to the WildHog. I don't believe this for a second. I think Nutt mentioned it to Frank, Frank ran with it since he is also self-serving, and they essentially took someone else's creation and called it their own.
Here's an article about the wildcat...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574405322525530870.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574405322525530870.html)
Here's what happened with Gus' transition to Tulsa...and this is the VERY short version...
DC Reggie Herring used to verbally taunt Gus in practice calling him "high school" in front of the players and would run blitzes, etc. while Gus was trying to teach the offense the new system. The result was QB Casey tool getting PLASTERED and hurting his back. Therefore, we opened the season with Robert Johnson at QB vs. Southern California (a FINE Nutt recruit that was FCS quality). Also, remember McFadden had his toe severed after fighting at da club a month before the game, so he was about 60%. After we opened with another embarrassing loss to SoCal 50-14, Frank Broyles went to Houston Nutt and told him to scrap Gus' offense and go back to what Nutt was doing. The ironic thing is Gus was not allowed to run HIS offense he ran at Tulsa or Auburn because Nutt wouldn't let him in the first place. So it was NOT the Gus HUNH that was run in the SoCal loss.
Frank told Nutt to start Mustain in game 2 vs. Utah State. We proceed to run off 7 straight wins with Mustain as the starter (although he was not always great, but still a true frosh). We are 7-1 and playing at SCarolina. Mustain throws an INT on our first possession. Casey tool plays the rest of the game (his back was healed from Herring trying to sabotage Gus in practice) and we win. tool gets the start vs. TN the next week (we win due to McFadden/Jones) and then MS State the next week (tool was horrible). We are now 10-1, 7-0 in the SEC heading into a game with LSU in Little Rock. We lose 30-26. Casey tool goes 3-17 for 29 yards passing and played the ENTIRE game. Nutt said after the game he did not put Mustain in the game because he didn't give him enough reps in practice the week of the game. Nutt had also been quoted in the newspaper (I poop you not) that "Casey was the better hander-offer". Meanwhile, Houston, Danny and OL coach Mike Markuson are clearly in charge of final play calling with some input from Gus. We have a month to prepare for Wisconsin in the Capital One Bowl and, I kid you not, Gus was given 14 plays he could call during the game. We lost 17-14. This was also the game Nutt was texting his lover, Donna Bragg, 19 minutes before the damn kickoff (yeah, Nutt was focused). Gus was never able to run his offense and was sabotaged from the start. Gus was NEVER relieved of his OC duties...this would imply he had them in the first place.
Gus then found out Nutt had contacted David Lee towards the end of the season to come on staff as Co-OC or some such BS. Gus shortly announced he was leaving for Tulsa to join Todd Graham. Lee Ziemba committed to Auburn the day after Gus left for Tulsa (he was recruiting Lee).
The "Gus wanted a pass happy offense" is utter BS. At Springdale HS and Shiloh Christian HS, Gus' offense was 50/50 run/pass. If you look at his first year at Tulsa with QB Paul Smith who was better than Mustain has been, Gus' offense averaged 40 run plays and 40 pass plays per game. In his 2nd year at Tulsa, his play calling was 63/37 run/pass. He has a gift for maximizing results out of the talent he possesses, which, of course is something Auburn fans have already figured out. The assertion Gus would have misused McFadden, Jones and Hillis in 2006 had he been given 100% control of the offense is absurd and an insult to anyone with just a layman's knowledge of CFB. I think we all know what happened once Gus was gone and Nutt stripped all the motion and counter schemes out of the offense with all those stud skill players in 2007...back to 4-4 in the SEC.
Todd Graham had already hired an OC when he hired Gus. Hence, the Co-OC titles. However, Graham made no bones about it that Gus had full control. Gus even dictated to Graham the conditioning of the entire team since players on both sides of the ball require excellent conditioning. Graham later admitted doing it Gus' way made him nervous and uneasy, but it worked to perfection. Too bad Tulsa never was able to get ANY defensive talent. To even suggest TU ran a Major Applewhite system under Gus is utter BS.
I am a huge fan of Gus for a number of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with his football abilities. If Auburn gets back to the defensive level of 2004-ish and Gus gets his players, watch out.
I'm glad that you decided to do it all in a nutshell, because I know that there was a lot more to it than what you posted, but if you'd posted all of it, the meaning behind what you were trying to say would've been lost in all the information. I didn't realize that Coach Malzahn had been basically takin' completely out...14 plays? Are you fuckin' kidding me? Who the fuck would want to stay ANYWHERE after they're told, okay we're only going to Allow you to do an eighth of your job....we're only going to Allow you to work an eighth of you usual 40 hours...okay?!?! Fuck whoever was behind this....
On a side note....Auburn fans does any of that sound somewhat similar to last year? One should NEVER degrade another in front of others.
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Maybe not yet, but with Auburn, Florida and Ole Miss in the next 3 weeks, he's looking at possibly starting 0-5 in SEC play.
If that ain't a 10 count for this season, I'm not sure what is.
#23 UGA
@ #3 Bama
#17 Auburn
@ #1 Florida
@ #21 Ole Miss
#25 SCarolina
MS State
@#4 LSU
We knew coming into this season the schedule might not reflect a huge progressive step forward in the W/L columns. For gawd's sake, look at that schedule and tell me how ANY SEC team would not have trouble along the way. For a program still recovering from recruiting incompetence, facing ranked teams 7 out of 8 conference games during the season is the textbook definition of murderer's row when you are in your 2nd year of building a program previously burned to the ground.
Petrino likely has a couple of staff members left to replace and he damn sure needs another recruiting class or two before we know what he can do at full strength. The talent Nutt left for Petrino is NOTHING like what Zook, Shula or Tuberville left for their successors and even the best coaches can only polish talent turds so much.
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I started a thread back in the summer about Arkansas' stretch of games, not even thinking Auburn would be one of the tougher matchups. Fuck anyone who doesn't think the SEC is the most BRUTAL conference to play in. That's some eye-opening, nasty shit right there, General.
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If he had a recruiting base like we have here in Alabama, then maybe I would agree with you. If he had something to work with right off the bat, maybe I would agree with you. He has nothing on campus outside of Mallett. He has nothing spectacular coming in recruit wise. He isn't a beastly recruiter to begin with. Petrino will not be able to consistantly win in the SEC....you can write that down.
In Petrino's first full year of recruiting, his class ranked #14 per Rivals re-ranking according to players who actually made it to campus by August. I would say Petrino's rate of success in recruiting to date at Arkansas is 1 for 1.
You have nearly 50 players on your team from outside the state of Alabama, so please don't try and claim you can recruit in-state like UGA, LSU, UF or Texas. The Alabama recruiting base relies heavily upon out-of-state recruiting if you peruse the current roster just like the vast majority of teams in power conferences.
We all know the state of Arkansas is not a talent rich state. However, the Tulsa MSA 100 miles away and the rest of NE OK is rich with talent (NE OK dominates football in OK). QB coach Garrick McGee has had EVERY stud in OK considering us. We recruit Texas (the most talent rich state per capita) and are already seeing dividends from our annual series with aTm in Arlington (North Texas is the most talent rich area in America right now per capita). We are getting studs like Ronnie Wingo from Missouri. We are drawing from GA, AL, LA and MS. The Petrino brothers filled nearly 30% of their Louisville roster with Florida kids and they have a LOT of excellent relationships with HS coaches in FL. We also have some great connections in California with the current staff.
To say Mallett is the only good player on our team is ludicrous. To say we have no talent coming in is also ludicrous since Signing Day is 4 1/2 months away. I'm not going to throw out some arbitrary prediction of Petrino's future success, but your statements saying he will fail are based on flawed logic, inaccuracy and wishful thinking at this point.
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In Petrino's first full year of recruiting, his class ranked #14 per Rivals re-ranking according to players who actually made it to campus by August. I would say Petrino's rate of success in recruiting to date at Arkansas is 1 for 1.
You have nearly 50 players on your team from outside the state of Alabama, so please don't try and claim you can recruit in-state like UGA, LSU, UF or Texas. The Alabama recruiting base relies heavily upon out-of-state recruiting if you peruse the current roster just like the vast majority of teams in power conferences.
We all know the state of Arkansas is not a talent rich state. However, the Tulsa MSA 100 miles away and the rest of NE OK is rich with talent (NE OK dominates football in OK). QB coach Garrick McGee has had EVERY stud in OK considering us. We recruit Texas (the most talent rich state per capita) and are already seeing dividends from our annual series with aTm in Arlington (North Texas is the most talent rich area in America right now per capita). We are getting studs like Ronnie Wingo from Missouri. We are drawing from GA, AL, LA and MS. The Petrino brothers filled nearly 30% of their Louisville roster with Florida kids and they have a LOT of excellent relationships with HS coaches in FL. We also have some great connections in California with the current staff.
To say Mallett is the only good player on our team is ludicrous. To say we have no talent coming in is also ludicrous since Signing Day is 4 1/2 months away. I'm not going to throw out some arbitrary prediction of Petrino's future success, but your statements saying he will fail are based on flawed logic, inaccuracy and wishful thinking at this point.
RWS is king of making ludicrous statements....He said that Auburn's signing class last year would be miserable, right around this time of the year, come to think of it.
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That depends on your stance of "better". Aside from having a great quarterback, where are they better? Michael Smith, who had over 1000 yards rushing last season, has only 180 yards on 32 carries. He hasn't had more than 12 carries in a game yet. Arkansas has no balance.
The sad thing is, aside from having a good running back in Michael Smith, they also have a great freshman runningback in Ronnie Wingo Jr. Of course, their only shot at meaningful touches will be screen plays.
As for their schedule, it isn't any tougher this year than it was last year. Trade Kentucky for Georgia, and Texas A&M for Texas. Hell, I'd say it was tougher last year with an easier road schedule.
Schedule is not tougher? Name a road SEC schedule tougher than Gainsville, Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge (Saturday night game) and Oxford in either the 2008 or 2009 seasons. And how much tougher should it get? Sagarin had us as the 5th toughest schedule in the nation last year.
It may not show up on paper, but we have more depth this year. Who can expect 4 or 5 star DL, DB's, RB's, WR's and OL to just show up day one and be a primary contributor? We started 10 sophomores vs. aTm in Week 4 for us. Let's compare our starting lineup in the LSU game the Saturday after Thanksgiving and rehash this discussion. FWIW, Michael Smith was only given 4 carries by design in the opener. He was hurt on his opening run vs. UGA in Week 2. Let Smith get healthy and let Wingo and Davis learn the playbook. I realize your frosh is tearing it up, but even the #1 RB Bryce Brown is off to a slow start.
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To say Mallett is the only good player on our team is ludicrous. To say we have no talent coming in is also ludicrous since Signing Day is 4 1/2 months away. I'm not going to throw out some arbitrary prediction of Petrino's future success, but your statements saying he will fail are based on flawed logic, inaccuracy and wishful thinking at this point.
Oh, THAT must be why after Alabama shut him down, Arkansas couldn't do shit on offense or stop much on defense. THAT must be why we beat yall by 28 points. Because of all of the weapons on both sides of the ball. There may be some talented guys on that team to you as a fan, but compared to the rest of the SEC? Please.
Unless you guys have a huge signing day planned, I really don't see much coming in as far as recruits. Arkansas has 12 commits right now. One of those is a 4* with a total of 3 offers. The rest are 2-3 star guys. There is a fine line between a team being bad and showing recruits they have a need and can turn it around and recruits thinking the staff can't get it turned around and going elsewhere. I'm not so sure where Arky lies in that.
I swear, some of you sound like some of our fans that were talking up some of the shitty talent we were bringing in during the Shula years. "Oh, a 3* with two offers? Best thing since sliced bread! Heisman candidate!"
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You keep saying they are better than last year, and they have more options and weapons than last year, yet we still get the same results and performances from last year. You know what the only difference is from last year? Arkansas is beating scrub teams by more than 4 points, and they played us in Tuscaloosa this year. Thats pretty much it. Oh, and that they will lose to AU this weekend.
Ricky...we had to mount monumental 4th quarter comebacks vs. Western Illinois and LA-Monroe last year (that's right...we didn't lost to LA-MO...Petrino 1, Saban 0) to start the season. We were blown out vs. Bama, Texas and Florida in games 3, 4 and 5. This year we easily won our opener with Mallett playing 5 series, we lost a shootout with UGA but were in it til the end, we had a VERY bad day at Bama and we blew out aTm. You have to be an ignorant FUCK to think the 2008 and 2009 starts mirrored each other. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon.
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You guys had a tool..a Nut..and a Johnson. I don't care if it sounds like a 6th grader...I laugh every time...especially when you played the Cocks.
The "Wildcat" or whatever anyone wants to call it, was being run so far back it's ridiculous. Even David DUI Palmer was torching teams back in..well, whenever the hell he played for Bammer.
2006: We had 2 Nutts, a Johnson and a Dick
2007: We had 1 Nutt and 2 Dicks
Who would expect anything less with a buffoon for a coach.
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Oh, THAT must be why after Alabama shut him down, Arkansas couldn't do shit on offense or stop much on defense. THAT must be why we beat yall by 28 points. Because of all of the weapons on both sides of the ball. There may be some talented guys on that team to you as a fan, but compared to the rest of the SEC? Please.
Unless you guys have a huge signing day planned, I really don't see much coming in as far as recruits. Arkansas has 12 commits right now. One of those is a 4* with a total of 3 offers. The rest are 2-3 star guys. There is a fine line between a team being bad and showing recruits they have a need and can turn it around and recruits thinking the staff can't get it turned around and going elsewhere. I'm not so sure where Arky lies in that.
I swear, some of you sound like some of our fans that were talking up some of the shitty talent we were bringing in during the Shula years. "Oh, a 3* with two offers? Best thing since sliced bread! Heisman candidate!"
This Saturday is the only day out of the whole year that I can root for you fuckers.
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Ricky...we had to mount monumental 4th quarter comebacks vs. Western Illinois and LA-Monroe last year (that's right...we didn't lost to LA-MO...Petrino 1, Saban 0) to start the season. We were blown out vs. Bama, Texas and Florida in games 3, 4 and 5. This year we easily won our opener with Mallett playing 5 series, we lost a shootout with UGA but were in it til the end, we had a VERY bad day at Bama and we blew out aTm. You have to be an ignorant FUCK to think the 2008 and 2009 starts mirrored each other. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon.
It never hurts to sprint to the finish, though. Please, keep pointing out ULM. Please, its great. You guys keep pointing it out while boasting that you beat them, and keep your .500 seasons; we'll just laugh at you and keep having 10+ win seasons. Perhaps the performances weren't the same, however, the results are. A 2-2 record and 0-2 in SEC play.
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I'm glad that you decided to do it all in a nutshell, because I know that there was a lot more to it than what you posted, but if you'd posted all of it, the meaning behind what you were trying to say would've been lost in all the information. I didn't realize that Coach Malzahn had been basically takin' completely out...14 plays? Are you phukin' kidding me? Who the phuk would want to stay ANYWHERE after they're told, okay we're only going to Allow you to do an eighth of your job....we're only going to Allow you to work an eighth of you usual 40 hours...okay?!?! phuk whoever was behind this....
On a side note....Auburn fans does any of that sound somewhat similar to last year? One should NEVER degrade another in front of others.
Here is how it worked...
Houston Nutt, Danny Nutt, OL coach Mike Markuson and Gus would have an offensive game plan meeting on Tuesday of game week. They would decide what plays would be called with Gus having the least input. They would work on those plays in practice the rest of the week. Come Saturday, Nutt would make sure only the plays he approved were called, but Gus would signal them into the huddle. Then Nutt would say Gus had 100% control of play calling because Gus signaled in Houston, Danny and Markuson's plays.
It works the same way at OM if you watch their sideline. Watch their game and tell me Houston and OL coach Mike Markuson (shorter blonde headed guy) are not front and center on play calling with Kent Austin "supposedly" running the show from the press box.
Nutt' best year at Arkansas was 1998 (9-3, or 75% winning percentage). QB Clint Stoerner who was developed by Joe Ferguson used to check out of Nutt's plays ALL THE DAMN TIME. Nutt never had another QB able to do so.
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Oh, THAT must be why after Alabama shut him down, Arkansas couldn't do poop on offense or stop much on defense. THAT must be why we beat yall by 28 points. Because of all of the weapons on both sides of the ball. There may be some talented guys on that team to you as a fan, but compared to the rest of the SEC? Please.
Unless you guys have a huge signing day planned, I really don't see much coming in as far as recruits. Arkansas has 12 commits right now. One of those is a 4* with a total of 3 offers. The rest are 2-3 star guys. There is a fine line between a team being bad and showing recruits they have a need and can turn it around and recruits thinking the staff can't get it turned around and going elsewhere. I'm not so sure where Arky lies in that.
I swear, some of you sound like some of our fans that were talking up some of the poopty talent we were bringing in during the Shula years. "Oh, a 3* with two offers? Best thing since sliced bread! Heisman candidate!"
Ricky, are you seriously going to judge Arkansas' team off one game in Tuscaloosa? Should I judge Bama's 2008 season off the woodshed beating they took in the Sugar Bowl to the phuking Utes?
We concede you shut down Mallett and our offense. Mallett and Petrino both said so after the game. Both said Mallett and the rest of the team arrived at Tuscaloosa not believing they could win the game and were blown out despite only being down 7 in the 3rd. Congrats to your team, seriously. But hanging every comment you make after week 5 on one game is asinine. Miami (FL) was blown out by VaTech, but they turn around and beat OU. BYU beat OU and then are blown out by FSU who is beat by USF and BC. You cannot judge a team this early in the season by one game.
And give me ONE link of ANYONE saying we have "weapons" on the D side of the ball as you state. I've said here we only have 2 players (Sheppard and W. Davis) who would be able to compete for the starting job on most SEC teams.
Is Julio Jones considered one of the best players on your team? He is if you read enough Bama boards. So let's look at his performance vs. some of Arkansas' WR's (3 ranked in SEC Top 10) since you claim everyone on our team sucks save Mallett....
* 5 star SO Joe Adams (decommitted from SoCal when Petrino was hired): 16 catches for 216 yards, 2 TD's
* 4 star SO Jarius Wright: 13 catches for 297 yards, 2 TD's
* 4 star SO Greg Childs: 16 catches for 260 yards, 4 TD's
* 5 star SO Julio Jones: 9 catches for 133 yards, 1 TD (50 yards and 1 TD came off trick play vs. #12 SEC secondary)
As you say, our D sucks donkey balls, North TX and FIU D's were jokes and VaTech's D played no better than Arkansas' donkey sucking balls D...therefore, Julio must be a poop player, right?
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It never hurts to sprint to the finish, though. Please, keep pointing out ULM. Please, its great. You guys keep pointing it out while boasting that you beat them, and keep your .500 seasons; we'll just laugh at you and keep having 10+ win seasons. Perhaps the performances weren't the same, however, the results are. A 2-2 record and 0-2 in SEC play.
If you pay attention, I'm saying it's pathetic you lost to ULM and we barely beat them. Both games were the product of programs in disarray with a hodgepodge of talent and development.
Fine, we are 2-2 to open the season again. You insist on judging a team by its opening 4 game record without considering the opposition compared to other teams and basing their end of season success without considering future opponents. You insist on judging Petrino's recruiting class when he's only had ONE phukING game to host official recruits and is 4.5 months from signing day. I have bent over backwards to have a reasonable conversation with you, but you continue to deflect logic and reason as if it were a toothbrush and a bar of soap. I don't understand you, Ricky. You spend a considerable amount of time here, but seem incapable of engaging in rational discussion on a discussion board forum.
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I rarely to never post here, though I lurk from time to time, but I just wanted to interject that RWS appears to be the typical bammer fan...not too bright, full of arrogant and condescending opinions with no logical rationale behind them, and ignorant of football outside of bammer's 27 cardboard trophies from Big Ed's Tire Emporium in Birmingham. You all probably already knew that.
That is all.
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I rarely to never post here, though I lurk from time to time, but I just wanted to interject that RWS appears to be the typical bammer fan...not too bright, full of arrogant and condescending opinions with no logical rationale behind them, and ignorant of football outside of bammer's 27 cardboard trophies from Big Ed's Tire Emporium in Birmingham. You all probably already knew that.
That is all.
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Ricky, are you seriously going to judge Arkansas' team off one game in Tuscaloosa? Should I judge Bama's 2008 season off the woodshed beating they took in the Sugar Bowl to the phuking Utes?
We concede you shut down Mallett and our offense. Mallett and Petrino both said so after the game. Both said Mallett and the rest of the team arrived at Tuscaloosa not believing they could win the game and were blown out despite only being down 7 in the 3rd. Congrats to your team, seriously. But hanging every comment you make after week 5 on one game is asinine. Miami (FL) was blown out by VaTech, but they turn around and beat OU. BYU beat OU and then are blown out by FSU who is beat by USF and BC. You cannot judge a team this early in the season by one game.
And give me ONE link of ANYONE saying we have "weapons" on the D side of the ball as you state. I've said here we only have 2 players (Sheppard and W. Davis) who would be able to compete for the starting job on most SEC teams.
Is Julio Jones considered one of the best players on your team? He is if you read enough Bama boards. So let's look at his performance vs. some of Arkansas' WR's (3 ranked in SEC Top 10) since you claim everyone on our team sucks save Mallett....
* 5 star SO Joe Adams (decommitted from SoCal when Petrino was hired): 16 catches for 216 yards, 2 TD's
* 4 star SO Jarius Wright: 13 catches for 297 yards, 2 TD's
* 4 star SO Greg Childs: 16 catches for 260 yards, 4 TD's
* 5 star SO Julio Jones: 9 catches for 133 yards, 1 TD (50 yards and 1 TD came off trick play vs. #12 SEC secondary)
As you say, our D sucks donkey balls, North TX and FIU D's were jokes and VaTech's D played no better than Arkansas' donkey sucking balls D...therefore, Julio must be a poop player, right?
You must not lurk enough to realize stats don't matter to them.
PS: you should post more often!