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What's this world coming to?
This is front page stuff on Fox and for the first time in a while, I'm actually pissed. I know, I know, spare me all the pageant jokes and Ms. North Carolina's melt down etc. I'm just hacked that a question like this was asked in the first place, in this setting..then the backlash that followed. I'm not posting this to rail against gays or gay marriage. That's not the debate. The issue for me is that this girl was asked a direct question and gave a very straight forward answer, based on her beliefs. These fucking people act as if this is not a hot button, controversial issue. Guess what, it's controversial because there are a lot of people who think gay marriage is wrong. It's not a handful of wackos that feel that way.
The issue is the question should never have been asked in the first place. But, if you do ask it, are you prepared to accept that someone might have an opposing view point? What the hell did they want her to do, agree with them? Don't answer that. The girl didn't try to impose her will on anyone or protest or do anything other than say, "You asked me what I believe and here's what I believe. I was raised to believe marriage should be between an man and a woman."
Miss California Sparks Furor With Gay Marriage Comments on Miss USA Telecast
Monday, April 20, 2009
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Miss North Carolina Kristen Dalton was crowned Miss USA on Sunday, but the big story to come out of the normally politics-free telecast was Miss California's comments regarding gay marriage.
When asked by judge Perez Hilton, an openly gay gossip blogger, whether she believed in gay marriage, Miss California, Carrie Prejean, said "We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised."
Keith Lewis, who runs the Miss California competition, tells FOXNews.com that he was "saddened" by Prejean's statement.
"As co-director of the Miss California USA, I am personally saddened and hurt that Miss California believes marriage rights belong only to a man and a woman," said Lewis in a statement. "I believe all religions should be able to ordain what unions they see fit. I do not believe our government should be able to discriminate against anyone and religious beliefs have no politics in the Miss California family."
Co-director Shanna Moakler told FOXNews.com that she fully supported Lewis' statement.
PHOTOS: Hot pics from last night's exciting show.
Miss California's answer sparked a shouting match in the lobby after the show. "It's ugly," said Scott Ihrig, a gay man, who attended the pageant with his partner. "I think it's ridiculous that she got first runner-up. That is not the value of 95 percent of the people in this audience. Look around this audience and tell me how many gay men there are."
Charmaine Koonce, the mother of Miss New Mexico USA Bianca Matamoros-Koonce, argued back.
"In the Bible it says marriage is between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!"
POP TARTS: More on Miss California's "gay marriage answer" controversy.
The pageant had enjoyed a scandal-free year until earlier this month, when Miss Universe 2008 Dayana Mendoza was skewered for a blog posting from a trip to Guantanamo Bay. The entry described having "aloooot of fun" at a base that houses the notorious military prison; it was later deleted from the pageant's Web site.
You Decide: Did Miss California's answer cost her the crown?
The winner, Miss North Carolina Kristen Dalton, a 22-year-old aspiring motivational speaker and entertainer from Wilmington, edged out first runner-up Miss California, and second runner-up Miss Arizona USA Alicia-Monique Blanco, of Phoenix.
"It feels really natural," Dalton said of her win. "I've worked so be here and this has been my lifelong dream and it's finally here. And whoever knew you could win in a turquoise gown?"
Contestants from all 50 states and the District of Columbia competed in the pageant, aired live on NBC. Contestants were judged by their performance in swimsuit and evening gown modeling contests and their responses to a question asked onstage; unlike the rival Miss America pageant, Miss USA contestants do not perform a talent.
The top 15 contestants worked the stage in white string bikinis designed by pop star Jessica Simpson's swimwear line. Rocker Kevin Rudolf performed his song "Let it Rock," followed by The Veronicas, who performed their single "Untouched" as the top 10 beauties showed off their choice of glittering evening gowns.
Dalton's was a flowing, blue Grecian number that stood out among a series of white gowns.
Her title comes with a year's use of a New York apartment, a public relations team, a two-year scholarship at the New York Film Academy and an undisclosed salary.
She also will go to the Bahamas in August to compete in the Miss Universe pageant, where American beauties haven't been lucky in recent years. Both Miss USA 2008 Crystle Stewart and her predecessor, Rachel Smith, wiped out on stage during the evening gown competition, becoming accidental YouTube stars.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I'm with you counselor. A lot of people are all for free speech until they get an answer that they are not expecting or do not like.
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I'm with you counselor. A lot of people are all for free speech until they get an answer that they are not expecting or do not like.
Fuck those stupid fags. I'm sick and tired of minorities trying to control every fucking thing.
Gays = Less than 10% of the population.
Blacks = Less than 15% of the population.
FUCK them ALL. To HELL with their agendas and their issues.
What the bleeding fuck ever happened to MAJORITY FUCKING RULE?
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Fuck those stupid fags. I'm sick and tired of minorities trying to control every fucking thing.
Gays = Less than 10% of the population.
Blacks = Less than 15% of the population.
FUCK them ALL. To HELL with their agendas and their issues.
What the bleeding fuck ever happened to MAJORITY FUCKING RULE?
It left since someone getting hurt feelings is more important.
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I believe Kinsey's 10% has been refuted. Most agree that 3 -5 % of the US population are gay. And blacks have dropped to around 11% while hispanics have risen to around 13%.
Even so, if we flush them all, we will be better off. I see what you are saying.
<the above is a smart-ass response to the previous smart-ass response>
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It left since someone getting hurt feelings is more important.
Fuck their feelings. You think I give one kernel of corn in a pile of shit about somebody's fucking FEELINGS?
Hell in a handbasket, boys. Hell in a handbasket.
The Mayans and that Nostradumbass fuck may have 2012 pegged.
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Here is my opinion, I don't really fucking care. She could stand up there and say, "I think Taylor is a heterosexual douchebag." You know what would happen, nothing. (Besides the fact that I might actually hire Bubba the Horse Cock to run the gravy train on her...but that is purely for pleasure, not spite.)
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"Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to Garret Vanmeter, 1781
"Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends" ---Thomas Jefferson
"The measures of the fair majority... ought always to be respected." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792
"The fundamental principle of [a common government of associated States] is that the will of the majority is to prevail." --Thomas Jefferson to William Eustis, 1809
But what hell did he know, right?
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What gets me is the girl even prefaced it by saying she doesn't mean to offend anyone....this is just what I was raised to believe.
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What gets me is the girl even prefaced it by saying she doesn't mean to offend anyone....this is just what I was raised to believe.
I'll bet her daddy clings to his guns and religion too.
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I'm almost stunned that someone from California holds such a view on gay marriage but, like Buzz Killington, I'll bet her Dad is a bitter gun owner who clings to God and religion.
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"Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to Garret Vanmeter, 1781
"Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends" ---Thomas Jefferson
"The measures of the fair majority... ought always to be respected." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792
"The fundamental principle of [a common government of associated States] is that the will of the majority is to prevail." --Thomas Jefferson to William Eustis, 1809
But what hell did he know, right?
Tommy liked the minority poontang.
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While I agree for the most part (and yeah, the entire audience loudly applauded this "controversial" statement), some of you guys scare me...
Fuck those stupid fags. I'm sick and tired of minorities trying to control every fucking thing.
Gays = Less than 10% of the population.
Blacks = Less than 15% of the population.
FUCK them ALL. To HELL with their agendas and their issues.
What the bleeding fuck ever happened to MAJORITY FUCKING RULE?
I believe Kinsey's 10% has been refuted. Most agree that 3 -5 % of the US population are gay. And blacks have dropped to around 11% while hispanics have risen to around 13%.
Even so, if we flush them all, we will be better off. I see what you are saying.
(http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/Adolf_Hitler_1928_sieg_heil_hail_to_victory_salute.jpg)
Both sides of this are way too sensitive. I wish I had a clip of Ms. California on MSNBC just now. They showed Perez Hilton's response where he calls her a bitch and then they cut out and then with the most wide-eyed, open-jawed, utterly serious-business face imaginable go "And we have to cut out here, because then...he called you the "C" word...What do you have to say about that?" And Ms. California, equally serious responds "All I can say is that I am praying for him."
Don't get me wrong, I certainly think it's more ridiculous that it was a controversy to begin with that she has a majority opinion. If she would have worded it similar to the above quoted posts, I'd totally understand the firestorm...but this?
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While I agree for the most part (and yeah, the entire audience loudly applauded this "controversial" statement), some of you guys scare me...
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Don't get me wrong, I certainly think it's more ridiculous that it was a controversy to begin with that she has a majority opinion. If she would have worded it similar to the above quoted posts, I'd totally understand the firestorm...but this?
As is becoming all-too-familiar in this country, anyone who publicly voices a Christian-based opinion gets publicly vilified. On the other hand, I'm sure that if she added that "my Muslim faith teaches..." followed by saying precisely what she said she would have been lauded. So goes this society we live in.
The young lady obviously meant no offense and said as much but the radical gay mafia has it out for anybody who stands against their same-sex marriage agenda; especially evil, insensitive Christians (this girl didn't say she was but I suspect that to be the case).
Like you, Chizad, I think this is a ridiculous controversy.
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When folks ask me what I think, I tell them I think a 400lb queer is a big cocksucker.
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You got it wrong, Chizad... Not Hitler.
(http://www.hudsonlibrary.org/Hudson%20Website/Images/Web%20Collection/Posters/Wallace.jpg)
Wallace has it. Do you?
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My old governor can kick your old governor's ass.
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My old governor can kick your old governor's ass.
I doubt it. Jesse was a fake fighter. GCW was a Golden Gloves boxer. Prime to prime? He whips "The Body" like a rented mule.
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I doubt it. Jesse was a fake fighter. GCW was a Golden Gloves boxer. Prime to prime? He whips "The Body" like a rented mule.
I ain't talking about Marquess of Queensbury rules. Jesse was a navy SEAL in his prime who would have pulled Wallace's head off and shit down his neck.
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I ain't talking about Marquess of Queensbury rules. Jesse was a navy SEAL in his prime who would have pulled Wallace's head off and shit down his neck.
Gotta' go with the body on this one. Dude was in the best damn movie ever made...Predator...and he carried around a 525 lb. machine gun that he tore off a chopper and shot 18 Gwazzillion bullets per second, all the while chewin and spittin Red Man and sayin', "I ain't got time to bleed."
Jesse would fuck Wallace up...quick!
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You got it wrong, Chizad... Not Hitler.
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Now that you mention it Chizad is partially wrong; there were at least two upper ranking Nazis who were notoriously flaaaming homosexuals (to use Homer Simpson's colloquialism):
Ernst Röhm (Head of the SA)
Hermann Göring (Head of the Luftwaffe)
Of course Hitler had his friend Ernie executed during die Nacht der langen Messer.
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Gotta' go with the body on this one. Dude was in the best damn movie ever made...Predator...and he carried around a 525 lb. machine gun that he tore off a chopper and shot 18 Gwazzillion bullets per second, all the while chewin and spittin Red Man and sayin', "I ain't got time to bleed."
Jesse would fuck Wallace up...quick!
All fake.
Never underestimate George. Never. Even dead he'd probably still be able to whip some legitimate ass.
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All fake.
Never underestimate George. Never. Even dead he'd probably still be able to whip some legitimate ass.
Too bad his life will only be memorialized by hate and racism.
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Too bad his life will only be memorialized by hate and racism.
Maybe by you. Not by me.
GCW is one of my heroes.
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Maybe by you. Not by me.
GCW is one of my heroes.
Similar to the reason I read autobiography's of assassins, Could a brotha get an explanation?
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This type of shit grinds my gears. MAYBE if the moral majority would step the fuck up, this shit would go away. Too many people don't vote. Too many people sit back on internet message boards and bitch.
Fuck Perez Hilton and his Miss USA bullshit. From now on, I will never watch one second of that program until they apologize to Miss California and remove Perez D-Bag from the panel of judges.
It's easy to say you hate liberal media. For liberals, it's easy to say you hate conservative stations like Foxnews. Unless a large quantity of people boycott or speak out against the bullshit, it's going to continue to happen.
Homosexuals are in the minority. Why the hell are so many HETEROSEXUALS concerned about their well being? Let em fuck each other in the butt, but if marriage is still rooted in biblical principles, then it should only be between a man and a woman.
And if that hurts your feelings, jump off a three story building. That'll be real pain, you pussy.
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This type of shit grinds my gears. MAYBE if the moral majority would step the fuck up, this shit would go away. Too many people don't vote. Too many people sit back on internet message boards and bitch.
Fuck Perez Hilton and his Miss USA bullshit. From now on, I will never watch one second of that program until they apologize to Miss California and remove Perez D-Bag from the panel of judges.
It's easy to say you hate liberal media. For liberals, it's easy to say you hate conservative stations like Foxnews. Unless a large quantity of people boycott or speak out against the bullshit, it's going to continue to happen.
Homosexuals are in the minority. Why the hell are so many HETEROSEXUALS concerned about their well being? Let em fuck each other in the butt, but if marriage is still rooted in biblical principles, then it should only be between a man and a woman.
And if that hurts your feelings, jump off a three story building. That'll be real pain, you pussy.
Have another beer on me. :bar:
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Have another beer on me. :bar:
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This type of shit grinds my gears. MAYBE if the moral majority would step the fuck up, this shit would go away. Too many people don't vote. Too many people sit back on internet message boards and bitch.
Fuck Perez Hilton and his Miss USA bullshit. From now on, I will never watch one second of that program until they apologize to Miss California and remove Perez D-Bag from the panel of judges.
It's easy to say you hate liberal media. For liberals, it's easy to say you hate conservative stations like Foxnews. Unless a large quantity of people boycott or speak out against the bullshit, it's going to continue to happen.
Homosexuals are in the minority. Why the hell are so many HETEROSEXUALS concerned about their well being? Let em fuck each other in the butt, but if marriage is still rooted in biblical principles, then it should only be between a man and a woman.
And if that hurts your feelings, jump off a three story building. That'll be real pain, you pussy.
+3
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Here is the irony with liberals:
Liberals totally support gay marriage, risqué art, pornography as art, scantly clad women, sex outside of marriage, etc. They also think we should be more open to the terrorists and try to talk to them instead of kill them.
Terrorists hate homesexuality, sex outside of marriage, pornography, and scantly clad women because Islam teaches them those things are evil. Thus, they hate America because our country embraces such things.
So, the liberals and the Hollywood types, would be the first the terrorists would kill if they could get their hands on them because it is that group that represents what terrorists hate most about America. Yet, the liberals are too stupid and so wrapped up in political correctness to realize this. Liberals refuse to acknowledge that it is their social philosophy that terrorists hate Americans for.
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Here is the irony with liberals:
Liberals totally support gay marriage, risqué art, pornography as art, scantly clad women, sex outside of marriage, etc. They also think we should be more open to the terrorists and try to talk to them instead of kill them.
Terrorists hate homesexuality, sex outside of marriage, pornography, and scantly clad women because Islam teaches them those things are evil. Thus, they hate America because our country embraces such things.
So, the liberals and the Hollywood types, would be the first the terrorists would kill if they could get their hands on them because it is that group that represents what terrorists hate most about America. Yet, the liberals are too stupid and so wrapped up in political correctness to realize this. Liberals refuse to acknowledge that it is their social philosophy that terrorists hate Americans for.
Bingo! The left will never admit to anything. It's always those damn evil Republicans that are the root cause of everything bad.
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This type of shit grinds my gears. MAYBE if the moral majority would step the fuck up, this shit would go away. Too many people don't vote. Too many people sit back on internet message boards and bitch.
Fuck Perez Hilton and his Miss USA bullshit. From now on, I will never watch one second of that program until they apologize to Miss California and remove Perez D-Bag from the panel of judges.
It's easy to say you hate liberal media. For liberals, it's easy to say you hate conservative stations like Foxnews. Unless a large quantity of people boycott or speak out against the bullshit, it's going to continue to happen.
Homosexuals are in the minority. Why the hell are so many HETEROSEXUALS concerned about their well being? Let em fuck each other in the butt, but if marriage is still rooted in biblical principles, then it should only be between a man and a woman.
And if that hurts your feelings, jump off a three story building. That'll be real pain, you pussy.
You're exactly right about the need for conservatives to become much more activist when it comes to issues like this; complaining on message boards is all well and good but sometimes you've got to take to the streets and be as vocal as the opposition. Conservatives have no need to be ashamed of being against gay marriage or of the traditional religious nature of that joining.
Even in liberal California they have taken a stand against gay marriage by the popular vote of the people of that state (Proposition 8, I think). Yet the gay mafia (the activist LGTB crowd) sound like they have a louder public voice on this issue (with the help of their MSM friends) of course denouncing the traditional marriage crowd as being prejudiced and bigoted. The fact of the matter is that traditional marriage is rooted in biblical principles and symbolic of the marriage of Christ and His church. I will not apologize for that view of marriage; that is what MY religion (and ANY Christian religion) teaches.
And civil unions provide for practically the same contractual-like obligations between a couple as the 'civil' parts of a marriage with the exception that the surviving 'partner' does not receive the social security payment of a deceased partner if it is larger than their own. There's no discrimination there (other than what I just mentioned to my knowledge) as the gay mafia claims...they simply want to co-opt what up to now has been a religious-based ceremony and term.
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Heel, the point about the popular vote in Cali probably goes to the heart of my issue with this whole thing. Fox is reporting on all the Hollywood celebs and their ripping of Ms. Cali through parodies and comments on Twitter...whatever the fuck a Twitter is. The douchebag Hilton who asked the question in the first place is calling her a dumb bitch etc. The girl was asked a question. She answered it and even prefaced her answer by stating she didn't want to offend anyone. But...this is what I was raised to believe.
They're crucifying this woman for having the same views as more than half of her State. That would be millions upon millions of people. Not some little right or left wing extremist hate group. For me, it's not so much a matter of who is right or wrong. I have my own views and admittedly, I probably do more fence straddling than anything else on the subject. But, that's not the point. Being totally and completely intolerant of someone else's views, especially when stated in such a non-threatening manner on a stage like that, just grinds my nads.
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I probably do more fence straddling than anything else on the subject.
Well hell yeah. Two dudes is just wrong but two or more hot chicks is ok.
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Well hell yeah. Two dudes is just wrong but two or more hot chicks is ok.
HOT chicks is the key here. No basketball or softball coaches.
And please don't misunderstand me. The issue is gay "Marriage". I straddle said fence there...not about two hot chicks in a baby oil fight.
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I think someone mentioned it earlier in the thread and it was spot on. If you aren't willing and ready to hear a different point of view on the position, then don't ask the question!
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Heel, the point about the popular vote in Cali probably goes to the heart of my issue with this whole thing. Fox is reporting on all the Hollywood celebs and their ripping of Ms. Cali through parodies and comments on Twitter...whatever the fuck a Twitter is. The douchebag Hilton who asked the question in the first place is calling her a dumb bitch etc. The girl was asked a question. She answered it and even prefaced her answer by stating she didn't want to offend anyone. But...this is what I was raised to believe.
They're crucifying this woman for having the same views as more than half of her State. That would be millions upon millions of people. Not some little right or left wing extremist hate group. For me, it's not so much a matter of who is right or wrong. I have my own views and admittedly, I probably do more fence straddling than anything else on the subject. But, that's not the point. Being totally and completely intolerant of someone else's views, especially when stated in such a non-threatening manner on a stage like that, just grinds my nads.
Sorry for my rant on the larger issue here. I didn't miss your point. And some fence-sitting might be in order until FedGov speaks out on a consistent definition of what civil marriage is and what it is not; what contractual obligations apply and what do not. Until then the states will do their own things.
Anyway, about this particular young woman (Ms. California), as I mentioned in an earlier post on this topic it is all-too-familiar this day and age that someone who expresses a Christian-based opinion (like Ms. California) gets vilified and demonized for being prejudiced and intolerant when in fact it's the gay mafia who are intolerant of the traditional view of marriage held by hundreds of millions of people in this country including the larger majority of the state she represents.
Her very humble, tolerant, and honest opinion should be appreciated and lauded; it grinds my gears too that she's treated like a pariah.
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HOT chicks is the key here. No basketball or softball coaches.
And please don't misunderstand me. The issue is gay "Marriage". I straddle said fence there...not about two hot chicks in a baby oil fight.
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Alll-right!
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Heel, the point about the popular vote in Cali probably goes to the heart of my issue with this whole thing. Fox is reporting on all the Hollywood celebs and their ripping of Ms. Cali through parodies and comments on Twitter...whatever the fuck a Twitter is. The douchebag Hilton who asked the question in the first place is calling her a dumb bitch etc. The girl was asked a question. She answered it and even prefaced her answer by stating she didn't want to offend anyone. But...this is what I was raised to believe.
They're crucifying this woman for having the same views as more than half of her State. That would be millions upon millions of people. Not some little right or left wing extremist hate group. For me, it's not so much a matter of who is right or wrong. I have my own views and admittedly, I probably do more fence straddling than anything else on the subject. But, that's not the point. Being totally and completely intolerant of someone else's views, especially when stated in such a non-threatening manner on a stage like that, just grinds my nads.
100% my thoughts on the subject. I too "straddle the fence" on the technicalities of it all, although for the most part as most of you know I'm a live-and-let-live kind of guy, so I tend to have most of my body weight on the opposite side of the fence as Ms. California's opinion. Doesn't mean she doesn't have every right to state her opinion, especially in the unoffensive manner that she did.
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I"m just a dirty old man but how on earth could anyone rate Miss California a zero on anything; even a gay man should appreciate her looks, eh?!
Wow!
I'd like to see her do a Biker Chick photo shoot!
(http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/Prejean.jpg)
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Where is the "I would suck a fart out of her butt and inhale it like a bong hit" emoticon?
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This news ought to make just under half of California happy along with the radical gay mafia:
Exclusive: Miss California Carrie Prejean Loses Her Crown
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
By Hollie McKay
Less than a month after being told by Donald Trump that she can keep her Miss California crown, Carrie Prejean was fired on Wednesday.
In a release first obtained by FOXNews.com, K2 Productions, the independent producers of the Miss California USA pageant, under license from Miss Universe, cited continued breach of contract issues as the reason for Prejean's firing.
"This was a decision based solely on contract violations," Keith Lewis, executive director of K2 Productions, said in the release. "After our press conference in New York we had hoped we would be able to forge a better working relationship. However, since that time it has become abundantly clear that Carrie has no desire to fulfill her obligations under our contract and work together.”
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Full story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525716,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525716,00.html)
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Fuck those stupid fags. I'm sick and tired of minorities trying to control every fucking thing.
Gays = Less than 10% of the population.
Blacks = Less than 15% of the population.
FUCK them ALL. To HELL with their agendas and their issues.
What the bleeding fuck ever happened to MAJORITY FUCKING RULE?
This type of shit grinds my gears. MAYBE if the moral majority would step the fuck up, this shit would go away. Too many people don't vote. Too many people sit back on internet message boards and bitch.
Homosexuals are in the minority. Why the hell are so many HETEROSEXUALS concerned about their well being? Let em fuck each other in the butt, but if marriage is still rooted in biblical principles, then it should only be between a man and a woman.
And if that hurts your feelings, jump off a three story building. That'll be real pain, you pussy.
Yeah! Let's kill those bastards! Then we can start on the Jews, the Muslims, the Retards, and anybody who believes in global warming or that the world is more than 6000 years old. I suspect some miscegenation.
Finally, we can deal with any of those that think we decended from monkeys. Is that your culture and heritage? That's not my culture and heritage.... Furthermore, I have it from the highest authority that that Nigra done sold his soul to the Devil!
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Can we change the order you have set forth? I'm thinking the tards may be a higher priority.