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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: CCTAU on December 02, 2019, 09:19:58 AM
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Arkansas
Ole miss
Mizzou
USF
Washington
Boston College
FSU
Add to the list as openings occur.
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Are you kidding? Give that man a raise and an extension!
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Are you kidding? Give that man a raise and an extension!
It's what we do.
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I'll take the middle path: no contract changes and he stays.
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I'll take the middle path: no contract changes and he stays.
Agreed.
Those schools aren't going to pay him 7M/year. Why would he leave?
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Agreed.
Those schools aren't going to pay him 7M/year. Why would he leave?
That's the position we've put ourselves in.
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WOTS is Kenny Dilly Dilly is going to head for other pastures as an OC. Nothing wrong just wanting to be somewhere he can call plays. This was a stepping stone. No big. I expect Chad Morris to come collect a check in that spot.
Also, JB Grimes alleged to be moving on as well. New OL coach targets? I admit, I'm not up on who those would be.
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WOTS is Kenny Dilly Dilly is going to head for other pastures as an OC. Nothing wrong just wanting to be somewhere he can call plays. This was a stepping stone. No big. I expect Chad Morris to come collect a check in that spot.
Also, JB Grimes alleged to be moving on as well. New OL coach targets? I admit, I'm not up on who those would be.
No thank you to Morris. His two years at Arky were a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
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No thank you to Morris. His two years at Arky were a clusterfudge of epic proportions.
You're not wrong but he and Gus are buds. Also, how much influence did Dilly really have? This year was pure Gus and will continue to be until he's done here because the other way just doesn't work for him.
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WOTS is Kenny Dilly Dilly is going to head for other pastures as an OC. Nothing wrong just wanting to be somewhere he can call plays. This was a stepping stone. No big. I expect Chad Morris to come collect a check in that spot.
Also, JB Grimes alleged to be moving on as well. New OL coach targets? I admit, I'm not up on who those would be.
Can we get Bert, Barry, Houston, Hugh and Les too?
Seriously. If we are going to get better we have to have a competent QB and WR coach. GA anywhere else Kodi isn’t it.
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WOTS is Kenny Dilly Dilly is going to head for other pastures as an OC. Nothing wrong just wanting to be somewhere he can call plays. This was a stepping stone. No big. I expect Chad Morris to come collect a check in that spot.
Also, JB Grimes alleged to be moving on as well. New OL coach targets? I admit, I'm not up on who those would be.
I hear Herb Hand might be available.
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You're not wrong but he and Gus are buds. Also, how much influence did Dilly really have? This year was pure Gus and will continue to be until he's done here because the other way just doesn't work for him.
I don't see this as a bad thing. Chad was a great OC.
And he might have enough balls to stand up to Gus.
Otherwise, we get the SSDD!
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I don't see this as a bad thing. Chad was a great OC.
And he might have enough balls to stand up to Gus.
Otherwise, we get the SSDD!
Morris's OC rep is an illusion. He left before Deshaun Watson lifted Clemson to new heights. His time at smu was underwhelming and his tenure at Arky was a disorganized, grabastic mess.
No thank you.
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Just putting this out there to get a feel but what do you guys think about Pat Nix as OC? I know, I know, his son is QB and all but I for one think he would stand against the bs play calling that we often see from Gus.
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Just putting this out there to get a feel but what do you guys think about Pat Nix as OC? I know, I know, his son is QB and all but I for one think he would stand against the bs play calling that we often see from Gus.
And that is exactly why you won't see Nix as OC under Gus.
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Just putting this out there to get a feel but what do you guys think about Pat Nix as OC? I know, I know, his son is QB and all but I for one think he would stand against the bs play calling that we often see from Gus.
Nah.
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Just putting this out there to get a feel but what do you guys think about Pat Nix as OC?
No. Hell, no.
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Malzahn isn't relinquishing control to anyone. Burns has talented guys running high school patterns and the next offensive line coach will be much like Grimes.
Nobody is messing with Gus'offense.
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My vibe feels harshed.
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My vibe feels harshed.
I didn’t know you still had access...
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My vibe feels harshed.
In the real world we could just pluck Stacy Searels from old Mac Brown at UNC and bring in Patrick Nix as OC, QB coach.
And if you are going to keep Burns send the sonofabitch to some NFL camps to learn a real passing tree and how to manage a receiving corp.
He has our best receiver decoying.
Modern day offenses don't waste a route.
Just thankful Hastings popped up out of nowhere when Nix was in desperation. There were many more of those instances. They aren't supposed to be within 10 yards of one another between the 20's. Arrrrgh!
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Morris's OC rep is an illusion. He left before Deshaun Watson lifted Clemson to new heights. His time at smu was underwhelming and his tenure at Arky was a disorganized, grabastic mess.
No thank you.
Everywhere he’s left has gotten better after he was gone.
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Nothing but respect for Pat Nix.
NO to him being OC. NO no no no no.
I’ve seen baseball, softball, basketball teams all with Deddy coaches. Do not want. Never.
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Everywhere he’s left has gotten better after he was gone.
Yup.
Nothing but respect for Pat Nix.
NO to him being OC. NO no no no no.
I’ve seen baseball, softball, basketball teams all with Deddy coaches. Do not want. Never.
Doubly so here.
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I don't know that Pat Nix is the answer either. I just want someone that Bo trusts to help him navigate the lack of options that Malzahn's inept offense creates.
And Kodi Burns is at the center of it.
Flash should be our Waddle.
Nix should be averaging 3 TD passes per game. We are wasting receiver talent that an average OC would die for.
Malzahn isn't going to allow even his closest pal near this offense.
Too paranoid!
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I don't know that Pat Nix is the answer either. I just want someone that Bo trusts to help him navigate the lack of options that Malzahn's inept offense creates.
He has that at Christmas and it will not cost us as much.
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He has that at Christmas and it will not cost us as much.
Yeah why muck up a good thing?
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Nothing but respect for Pat Nix.
NO to him being OC. NO no no no no.
I’ve seen baseball, softball, basketball teams all with Deddy coaches. Do not want. Never.
Agreed on the daddy coach part. The reasons for asking are more directed towards just coaching and also being an "Auburn man". I will say this, Pat Nix would not be just a puppet or a "yes man". Perhaps knowing this would motivate Gus to change some of his methods in a positive way. Perhaps also knowing Pat Nix is beloved by most Auburn folks, especially those with big money, would put Gus in a position to have to listen and actually be willing to let others help him do his job. Yes, Gus knowing all this would keep such a hire from happening but ........perhaps Gus isn't given then option. In fact, someone may make that decision for Gus, and Gus becomes the yes man in hopes to keep his job. All fun thoughts.
I for one, so its said, think Pat Nix is a great offensive mind and will be seen as a highly successful coaching in the college ranks before too long. Also, he would be a strong force to recruit talent from the state of Alabama down to Auburn.
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Again, gang, that's just stuff Jay G. Tate is talking about. None of it is confirmed. Just stuff he's heard here and there. He also was convinced two weeks ago that no matter what happened in the Iron Bowl that Gus was done at Auburn.
Grain of salt.
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Again, gang, that's just stuff Jay G. Tate is talking about. None of it is confirmed. Just stuff he's heard here and there. He also was convinced two weeks ago that no matter what happened in the Iron Bowl that Gus was done at Auburn.
Grain of salt.
I'm certain that these kinds of things have been discussed among Auburn folks for sometime now especially on this site. So yeah, grain of salt or wishful thinking and all that. I do believe that there will be some sort of move in the coaching staff. It may not be Gus moving on but something will be changed in efforts to move Auburn forward rather than stay in this weird funk of a cycle.
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Agreed on the daddy coach part. The reasons for asking are more directed towards just coaching and also being an "Auburn man". I will say this, Pat Nix would not be just a puppet or a "yes man". Perhaps knowing this would motivate Gus to change some of his methods in a positive way. Perhaps also knowing Pat Nix is beloved by most Auburn folks, especially those with big money, would put Gus in a position to have to listen and actually be willing to let others help him do his job. Yes, Gus knowing all this would keep such a hire from happening but ........perhaps Gus isn't given then option. In fact, someone may make that decision for Gus, and Gus becomes the yes man in hopes to keep his job. All fun thoughts.
I for one, so its said, think Pat Nix is a great offensive mind and will be seen as a highly successful coaching in the college ranks before too long. Also, he would be a strong force to recruit talent from the state of Alabama down to Auburn.
Any other time I might be inclined to hear out the "Nix for OC" argument.
But no. Daddy coaching just never works. It creates dissension and mistrust.
Beyond that? If you're being 100% straight with yourself, he doesn't have a stellar track record. In his first year as Miami's OC, the Canes broke 30 points only three times. His team was held to under 20 six times. Five of those were 14 points or less. Miami went 5-7.
His second season was slightly improved. Still, five games were 20 points or less. Oddly enough, Miami won three of those, the real difference between 5-7 and the 7-5 finish they had.
Nix was fired after that season and replaced with some dude named Mark Whipple. Miami broke 20 in every game but two the season following Nix's firing. They topped 30 points in seven games and finished with nine wins.
He hasn't been truly anything close to successful anywhere but as a high school coach. Show me why I'd want him to leap from high school to the OC booth? I don't see it.
Do I like Nix and respect what he did for and means to Auburn? You're damn right I do. Do I want him anywhere near the offensive coordinator's chair? No. Hell no.
You ask me what I want? I want Gus to raid the NFL and find a receiver's coach or a QB coach. I don't care if they're only there for a year or two in order to build a resume to be a HC. We have (had) a decent group of receivers but we rarely put them or their QBs in a position to be successful. Kodi Burns, bless him, has no clue whatsoever how to attack the defenses AU faces with routes that are designed to find the gaps in coverage. I love Kodi Burns, but as a quarterback he could not read defenses. What the hell makes you think he can do it as a "coordinator?"
We also need a QB coach. I've been watching Joe Burrow. Watching Tom Brady for years. Almost every quarterback in an Auburn uniform over the last decade or so has more physical ability than either of those two. So why is Brady the greatest of all time and Burrow the presumptive Heisman winner? It's pretty simple. They are coached well. When Joe/Tom drops back to pass they know where they're going with the ball 90% of the time. The receivers run precise routes. They come to the line read the immediate weakness (because there's almost always one) and attack it. Those guys also know that in the event the play breaks down, there's a safety valve. With even moderate coaching at either WR or QB, I honestly believe we add two wins a year or more to our past totals.
That's Gus' biggest failing. Our entire offensive staff -- and maybe nobody wants to work under his meddling, blundering ass so he can't fix it -- is bush league.
Kodi Burns, bless him, simply isn't ready. He would be a graduate assistant on any other staff in the country. Kerry Dillerbam or whatever his name is, just isn't ready for this level. He needs time at smaller programs to earn his stripes. Grimes just sucks. It's not that we don't have talent on the OL, it's that they've gotten softer and softer over the years. They're damned marshmallows most of the time now. And Carnell. I wish he could suit up and play again, but like Dillysham and Kodi, he just doesn't have the resume to be anything other than a GA at this point in his career.
I also think we could benefit from bringing in some former head coaches as "consultants" like Bama does. They've got 28 former head coaches wandering around over there skirting the rules about what they are and aren't allowed to do.
If Gus truly wants to take it to the next level, he's going to have to rein in his ego, forget that he wrote a damned book 20 years ago and be open to finding an offensive coaching staff that isn't beholden to him in some way. He's surrounded himself with kiss asses and that destroys his ability to be objective. He can't see the forest or the trees sometimes. When you've got guys bowing and scraping in front of you, unable to tell the difference between a painted turd and a lump of gold? Well, sometimes you end up like that stupid naked emperor strutting around with your balls hanging out.
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If Gus truly wants to take it to the next level, he's going to have to rein in his ego, forget that he wrote a damned book 20 years ago and be open to finding an offensive coaching staff that isn't beholden to him in some way. He's surrounded himself with kiss asses and that destroys his ability to be objective. He can't see the forest or the trees sometimes. When you've got guys bowing and scraping in front of you, unable to tell the difference between a painted turd and a lump of gold? Well, sometimes you end up like that stupid naked emperor strutting around with your balls hanging out.
This, especially the bold, is the whole reason for my question about Nix. Its going to come to a point where Gus is forced out or forced to hire some actual assistants that can coach and not be the "yes man". His ego gets his way and anyone who knows anything about football can see it plain as day.
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This, especially the bold, is the whole reason for my question about Nix. Its going to come to a point where Gus is forced out or forced to hire some actual assistants that can coach and not be the "yes man". His ego gets his way and anyone who knows anything about football can see it plain as day.
And I still say, Daddy or no, Pat Nix isn't that guy.
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I think Gus fits us. He is as up and down as Auburn Football.
Honestly, I have had this discussion in my head so many times. Guy has done good and bad for Auburn. Recruiting Good, Defense Good, Offense Bad, Development Bad...on and on.
At the end of the day reflecting back, all told I think he did pretty good this year and yes I wanted him gone after LSU then even more so against FUGA. To go 9-3 against the schedule we had with a true freshman QB, I mean the losses were maddening (UF being the most maddening, FUGA just sucking the most ass). We have all said on here that we don't want to be bama we just want to be competitive every game and we were competitive in every game (albeit FUGA was a shit show, and we didn't deserve to be in it, but we still had a shot at winning.)
I know we could get a coach better than Malzahn, but there is such a gamble. Guys I thought would be sure-fire hires "Charlie Strong" have been flops. At least we know what we have with Malzahn. I said after losing the LSU game that I just didn't know anymore, and I still think that, as maddening as he is it could be so...so much worse.
I guess for now win or lose in the bowl, I'm happy. Next year will bring what it brings, I'm getting too old for this shit.
I really do think that we are all our own worst enemies. If our leadership and fans all just got behind him like bama does with satan, maybe things would get better.
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and the side argument no to Nix at OC...no no a thousand times no. For all the other reasons stated on here, plus what QB recruit wants to come in when your current OC is QB1's daddy.
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Next year will bring what it brings, I'm getting too old for this shit.
Ain't that the truth. You old.
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I think Gus fits us. He is as up and down as Auburn Football.
Honestly, I have had this discussion in my head so many times. Guy has done good and bad for Auburn. Recruiting Good, Defense Good, Offense Bad, Development Bad...on and on.
At the end of the day reflecting back, all told I think he did pretty good this year and yes I wanted him gone after LSU then even more so against FUGA. To go 9-3 against the schedule we had with a true freshman QB, I mean the losses were maddening (UF being the most maddening, FUGA just sucking the most ass). We have all said on here that we don't want to be bama we just want to be competitive every game and we were competitive in every game (albeit FUGA was a shit show, and we didn't deserve to be in it, but we still had a shot at winning.)
I know we could get a coach better than Malzahn, but there is such a gamble. Guys I thought would be sure-fire hires "Charlie Strong" have been flops. At least we know what we have with Malzahn. I said after losing the LSU game that I just didn't know anymore, and I still think that, as maddening as he is it could be so...so much worse.
I guess for now win or lose in the bowl, I'm happy. Next year will bring what it brings, I'm getting too old for this shit.
I really do think that we are all our own worst enemies. If our leadership and fans all just got behind him like bama does with satan, maybe things would get better.
On a board full of fucking idiots, this makes the most sense of all.
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I think Gus fits us. He is as up and down as Auburn Football.
Honestly, I have had this discussion in my head so many times. Guy has done good and bad for Auburn. Recruiting Good, Defense Good, Offense Bad, Development Bad...on and on.
At the end of the day reflecting back, all told I think he did pretty good this year and yes I wanted him gone after LSU then even more so against FUGA. To go 9-3 against the schedule we had with a true freshman QB, I mean the losses were maddening (UF being the most maddening, FUGA just sucking the most ass). We have all said on here that we don't want to be bama we just want to be competitive every game and we were competitive in every game (albeit FUGA was a shit show, and we didn't deserve to be in it, but we still had a shot at winning.)
I know we could get a coach better than Malzahn, but there is such a gamble. Guys I thought would be sure-fire hires "Charlie Strong" have been flops. At least we know what we have with Malzahn. I said after losing the LSU game that I just didn't know anymore, and I still think that, as maddening as he is it could be so...so much worse.
I guess for now win or lose in the bowl, I'm happy. Next year will bring what it brings, I'm getting too old for this shit.
I really do think that we are all our own worst enemies. If our leadership and fans all just got behind him like bama does with satan, maybe things would get better.
Serious question. How?
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Serious question. How?
We are gonna need you at media days in an outfit....Do you have anything that makes you look like Shug?
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Serious question. How?
A raise and a contract extension would be a nice start. It’s not rocket science. You dumbass.
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We are gonna need you at media days in an outfit....Do you have anything that makes you look like Shug?
LIKE!
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I may know a guy that can get us a good deal on some used Chargers.
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I think I'll go for a little different look.
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Serious question. How?
Honestly? They never did it before. Saban came in and demanded it.
I've told this before, but I had a friend who worked with the football team during the Stallings years. After Gene left, the guy would still go hang around the athletic complex, farting around with the players and staff, working out in the gym area, whatever. Was over there a lot.
Saban gets there and my friend was over at the complex as usual, fucking off, down in the player's area hanging out and wandering the halls. He passed Saban in the hall and made some "what's up coach" comment. He said Saban walked a couple of steps past him and then turned around and asked who the hell he was. He told him he used to be blah, blah with the team. Saban told him that unless he was there for a specific purpose and had permission from the coaching staff -- him -- to be there, he could take his ass out of the building and not come back.
Dude was pissed. He wasn't the only hanger-on Saban kicked out. He hated the guy, wanted him gone. Said he'd never make it acting like fucking Hitler. Who did he think he was anyway?
Now? Same guy would eat a bucket of Saban's runny shit if he thought Saban would like it. He'd defend him to the death.
Guys like Saban typically fail because the stress of keeping your hand on every single thing is too much. Something squishes out and it spirals out of control. I honestly thought he'd burn out. I thought he'd alienate the fans and the players with his asshole attitude. But at Alabama, winning covers a multitude of sins. They don't care that he burns through players and treats most of them like pieces on a chess board -- completely disposable. They don't care that he's got no personality. Maybe that's what it takes to win at that level of consistency. If so? I just don't think I want that.
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A raise and a contract extension would be a nice start. It’s not rocket science. You dumbass.
Losing to Georgia and LSU every year isn't the end of the world. Who wants to play in their stupid playoff anyway when we can have a nice outing against some nice midwestern program in the sunshine state? You people are just dumb.
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Losing to Georgia and LSU every year isn't the end of the world. Who wants to play in their stupid playoff anyway when we can have a nice outing against some nice midwestern program in the sunshine state? You people are just dumb.
and you get to storm the field once every 6 years.
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and you get to storm the field once every 6 years.
Listen to the man.
State can never do that, nor can Texas A@M, Arky (please) or Ole Piss.
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Agreed that Kodi needs to leave the nest and build his resume somewhere else. Love the guy, but he's not earned his lofty title yet.
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Serious question. How?
Are you an Indian?
How what? How will things get better?
Just you wait till next year!
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Are you an Indian?
How what? How will things get better?
Just you wait till next year!
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