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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: wesfau2 on January 25, 2017, 02:29:49 PM
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This guy claims that Gus is a great QB developer. I trust that the esteemed members of this site will give him as much shit as he deserves for this pablum-filled pile of garbage.
http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2017/01/actually-gus-malzahns-quarterback-development-is-good/
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I'm sure leaving out Kahlill and Turtle Moseley was just an honest mistake.
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That Buzz guy sounds like a dumbass
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I asked him on the Twitterz if he could name one QB Gus recruited out of High School who ever played as a College Junior or Senior, and he told me I was cherry picking because Sean White was only a sophomore.
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I asked him on the Twitterz if he could name one QB Gus recruited out of High School who ever played as a College Junior or Senior, and he told me I was cherry picking because Sean White was only a sophomore.
3rd year sophomore.
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I don't disagree with a good bit of it. The one thing I'm on the same page with most everyone on here is that he's had far more misses than hits. Plus, to Jarhead's point, Sean White is really the only QB that's developed into anything after coming in as a true freshman. The negatives are out there for everyone to see. The positives, even though some had prior experience, are IMO:
Chris Todd: Malzahn came in and they named Todd the starter. He set what were at that time, offensive records at AU. Kudos.
Nick Marshall: The only stat that didn't improve from year one to two was his rushing. Mostly because he just didn't run it as much. But his INT/TD ratio coming out of JUCO was scary bad. The guy was one of the better QB's in the nation by the time he finished.
Sean White: Last year and this year, he has proven himself to be a damn solid QB when healthy. Staying off Injured Reserve is his one drawback.
Cam: And I'll agree 100% with the author on this one. Only negative was Gus not realizing what a beast he had until almost midway through the season. But the dude put up one of the best overall seasons in college history, certainly in all of Auburn history, and won the Heisman. It was Gus' offense he was running to do that. You gotta' hate long and hard to try and say Gus had nothing to do with that.
Again, I'm not arguing the numerous epic fails at QB under CGM at Auburn. Again, let me qualify that by saying "At Auburn". You can't diss his two QB's at Tulsa or Ryan Aplin's year at Arky State. I'd put Trotter, Mosely and Kadril in the piss poor evaluation category. They weren't ready and never would have been. I'd say Jeremy Johnson is some A-1, top shelf development fail.
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3rd year sophomore.
Chris Todd came to Auburn from Texas Tech with a bum shoulder. Surgery was imminent, development was not an option. Whew!
We dodged a bullet on that one.
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I asked him on the Twitterz if he could name one QB Gus recruited out of High School who ever played as a College Junior or Senior, and he told me I was cherry picking because Sean White was only a sophomore.
He said he "developed" into a better QB than he was recruited to be and the only reason he won't be playing past his sophomore year (hopefully), is because Gus recruited (and/or developed) even better QBs to replace him.
Again, he's right.
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He said he "developed" into a better QB than he was recruited to be
What in the blue fuck does that mean? Don't you recruit them all and groom them to be...hopefully...great?
The fact stands that no QB under the Gushlee tutelage was demonstrably better for their teaching. All success has been had with QBs trained elsewhere.
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All I can say is that Auburn has had its day or 3 with some underachieving QBs. I, like all of you, am sick and damn tired of that shit. So, with that said, we now have Stidham and Barrett who will be in the mix next year with White. There are no more freakn excuses to be had. NONE! Also, keep in mind, next year will be when Joey Gatewood will sign. If Gus/Chip can't do anything with one of those three then there is no hope with this staff.
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All I can say is that Auburn has had its day or 3 with some underachieving QBs. I, like all of you, am sick and damn tired of that shit. So, with that said, we now have Stidham and Barrett who will be in the mix next year with White. There are no more freakn excuses to be had. NONE! Also, keep in mind, next year will be when Joey Gatewood will sign. If Gus/Chip can't do anything with one of those three then there is no hope with this staff.
Gatewood has backed off his "all auburn all the time" tweeting. Been announcing new offers (UGA and Texas).
Not saying we won't get him, but he's heretofore not tweeted about ANY other schools. The Lashlee departure put us behind the eight ball with him, I think.
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What in the blue fuck does that mean? Don't you recruit them all and groom them to be...hopefully...great?
The fact stands that no QB under the Gushlee tutelage was demonstrably better for their teaching. All success has been had with QBs trained elsewhere.
Still disagree. One of the reasons is pretty simple. He's made a habit out of recruiting JUCO quarterbacks. More often than not you're going to play the more experienced guy.
Would you agree that Sean White, when healthy, was one of the most efficient QB's in the nation? Stats say he was. You can't attribute that to anyone other than Gushlee. I'd say that's pretty damn good.
But let's look at those QB's that were "trained" by someone else.
Chris Todd threw a grand total of 35 passes in mop up duty at TT. In 2008 at Auburn, he was a 55% passer for 903 yards with 5 TD's and 6 INT's. Lost his job to Kodi Burns. Under Gus, he started all 13 games, passed 2,612 yards at a 61% clip with 22 TD's and only 6 picks. Why doesn't Gus get the credit for development and the huge improvement. I'll wait on all the excuses from the board. Oh wait. Todd had a gimp arm so scratch everything Gus did.
Nick Marshall. In Garden City, he was a 57% passer and led the nation in interceptions with an astounding 20. I believe they only played 8 games. Also sacked 15 times. Great "training". He comes to Auburn. The SEC West, mind you. And his line went:
2013: 59.4% 1,976 yds 14/6 143,2 passer rating. 1,000 yard+ rusher
2014: 61% 2,532 yds 20/7 151.1 passer rating
Again, about 250 less rushing yards in 14' with 25 less attempts. But admittedly, working off a guy like Tre before the brain damage probably opened things up a bit more.
Cammy Cam: Not gonna' lie. Nice stats at Blinn. 61% passer. 22/5 with 16 rushing TD's. But again, he goes to the pathetic SEC West and on 56 less attempts than at Blinn, he was a 66.1% passer. 30/7 with 20 rushing TD's. National Championship and Heisman Trophy winner in Gus' system.
Look, I realize Gus may be an 8-5 coach at this level. That may be it. Maybe this year, he finds the formula by stepping away completely and letting his guys coach. That might be what gets him over the hump. Maybe not. I don't think there's a soul out there that that doesn't think this year is truly make or break.
But while I would never question the fact that he's had several key QB's he's recruited say "Pop go da weasel", has anyone ever thought that maybe recruiting JUCO guys or transfers with experience IS his M.O.? Sean White proved he can do it from scratch. But he's also proven he likes to plug in guys with experience. And lastly, he's proven without a doubt he can take every one of those guys, whether their prior "training" was shit or not, and have them significantly improve in the SEC West.
I'll hang up and lissen for all the excuses as to why those stats above mean nothing.
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With Tre/CAP/KPett ripping off 5 ypc at a minimum, all the QBs can shine. Shit, I could.
When there is no run game, Gus's QBs cannot carry the water.
They are not coached well.
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With Tre/CAP/KPett ripping off 5 ypc at a minimum, all the QBs can shine. Shit, I could.
When there is no run game, Gus's QBs cannot carry the water.
They are not coached well.
No you couldn't. Let's not get cra cra. And you have no proof that Todd, Cam, Nick 1, Nick 2 or even Sean would not have been able to carry the team if their running game shut down. You can't assume they wouldn't. The only reason our O shut down this year, at times, was because White was injured twice. Jack Gus up for no back up.
JJ is on Gus. Bad coaching. Head case. Whatever. He just plain lost it and Gus never could pull him out of it. But once Sean got some reps last year, he was slinging it around pretty damn good until he got hurt. Take away 8-10 drops against Arky and he might go for 400.
Your statement might apply to virtually every QB in the game whose coach has a run first offense. Unless you are a 5-wide, sling it around offense, you'd better be Deshaun Watson if your running game gets shut down. Very few of those. But, I'm sure Watson has bought Mr. Gallman a few steak dinners the last couple of years.
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What in the blue fuck does that mean? Don't you recruit them all and groom them to be...hopefully...great?
The fact stands that no QB under the Gushlee tutelage was demonstrably better for their teaching. All success has been had with QBs trained elsewhere.
Agree entirely.
Cam is/was one of the single greatest talents in college football history. Yes, the Malzahn playcalling at that time was inspired. It was inspired with Nick Marshall running it too.
I was never really in the "he has to have a certain kind of QB" camp, but the more I think about it the more I fall into that line of thinking. Without the threat of an explosive QB run to freeze the defense, his playcalling is befuddling, there's no rhythm, it becomes a clown show.
Talent evaluation is also a major, major, major concern. How in the flaming hell do we end up with Trotter and Turtle battling to the last day? Why did we ever pull Trotter in the first place? How many seasons have we seen where he cannot decide on a starter? And when he does, it only lasts until he panics.
He hasn't developed a true (conventional) quarterback ever at Auburn.
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JR and I had a slight disagreement when it came down to Cam and the playbook. LSS, it was my contention that Gus really couldn't or didn't need to interfere much with the guy.
The situation was similar with Nick as far as the read option goes although his accuracy as a passer was always in question though he benefitted greatly by having a badassed receiver in Duke running the hashes and to a somewhat lesser degree, Sammy.
But other than those three seasons with JUCOs I say the QB coaching has been miserably bad, in a few cases (Frazier/Moseley) it even looked non-existent.
To me Jeremy Johnson was plain and simply failed by Gushlee. Never improved.
People in the know recognize Auburn's passing game as simple...a primary receiver and if that isn't there you are shit out of luck.
It seemed evident to me that Gushlee wanted badly for JFIII to come in like Nick and take the position from JJ and Sean only he was extremely raw and obviously scared at times.
I still have to pull for White.
The guy has shown more guts than anything we have had outside of Cam and Nick during Gus' tenure. But I also realize we are limiting ourselves if the Stidham kid is the baller that they say he is.
Just hoping Lindsey can put all the elements together to have it purring again...and keep it that way. Woody Barrett might be the best of both worlds but how could we know?
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Would you agree that Sean White, when healthy, was one of the most efficient QB's in the nation? No. He's a gutsy kid, but he's not even average at the passing game.
Stats say he was. You can't attribute that to anyone other than Gushlee. I'd say that's pretty damn good.
Stats say a lot of things.
But let's look at those QB's that were "trained" by someone else.
Chris Todd threw a grand total of 35 passes in mop up duty at TT. In 2008 at Auburn, he was a 55% passer for 903 yards with 5 TD's and 6 INT's. Lost his job to Kodi Burns. Under Gus, he started all 13 games, passed 2,612 yards at a 61% clip with 22 TD's and only 6 picks. Why doesn't Gus get the credit for development and the huge improvement. I'll wait on all the excuses from the board. Oh wait. Todd had a gimp arm so scratch everything Gus did.
It was a combination. Todd was healthier and it was Gus' first year in the position. I'm also of the opinion that he was a better position coach/coordinator than he is a head coach.
Nick Marshall. In Garden City, he was a 57% passer and led the nation in interceptions with an astounding 20. I believe they only played 8 games. Also sacked 15 times. Great "training". He comes to Auburn. The SEC West, mind you. And his line went:
2013: 59.4% 1,976 yds 14/6 143,2 passer rating. 1,000 yard+ rusher
2014: 61% 2,532 yds 20/7 151.1 passer rating
Again, about 250 less rushing yards in 14' with 25 less attempts. But admittedly, working off a guy like Tre before the brain damage probably opened things up a bit more.
Lightning in a bottle. Marshall was a runner who threw the occasional pass. All of us -- even you I think -- complained constantly about his inability to drop back and work through progressions, his mechanics, his footwork, his decision making. You know, all the things that make a quarterback a complete quarterback. How many 'quarterbacks' could make the NFL at a completely different position?
Cammy Cam: Not gonna' lie. Nice stats at Blinn. 61% passer. 22/5 with 16 rushing TD's. But again, he goes to the pathetic SEC West and on 56 less attempts than at Blinn, he was a 66.1% passer. 30/7 with 20 rushing TD's. National Championship and Heisman Trophy winner in Gus' system. Generational type talent. Was a good fit with what Gus likes to do. But once again, I think Gus is a better assistant coach than head coach.
Look, I realize Gus may be an 8-5 coach at this level. That may be it. Maybe this year, he finds the formula by stepping away completely and letting his guys coach. That might be what gets him over the hump. Maybe not. I don't think there's a soul out there that that doesn't think this year is truly make or break.
But while I would never question the fact that he's had several key QB's he's recruited say "Pop go da weasel", has anyone ever thought that maybe recruiting JUCO guys or transfers with experience IS his M.O.? Sean White proved he can do it from scratch. But he's also proven he likes to plug in guys with experience. And lastly, he's proven without a doubt he can take every one of those guys, whether their prior "training" was shit or not, and have them significantly improve in the SEC West.
I'll hang up and lissen for all the excuses as to why those stats above mean nothing.
I like Sean White. I think he's got a lot of moxie. But if you're making a list of the QBs in the SEC how far down the list is he? How many would you trade him for? Yes... he's "efficient." But does he really scare anybody? I'd take Nobrow Dobbs, Eason, Etling, Fitzgerald, Knight and probably Allen and expect better results. The cast around Sean was better than any of those QBs had with the exception of probably Etling.
All I'm saying is despite what the WER contends, I'm not seeing top QB talent come to Auburn and flourish. The success of Cam and Nick is easily overshadowed by the dumpster fires that were Johnson, Wallace,Frazier, Trotter, Mosely, and so forth.
When the Malzahn QB isn't working, it's some of the most foul shit that's ever been on a football field. It's dysfunctional beyond anything I've ever seen at any level (except maybe pee wee). It's a degree of ineptness that is mind-boggling. It's not even adequate. I don't see that anywhere else. And that's why it's such a problem/concern.
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Todd came in ready to play mentally. He made the right decisions, but his arm could not make the throws. The next season he was healthy. I'm not sure that had a lot to do with Gus. Todd was the football equivalent of a gym rat. He was that way BEFORE he got to AU.
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Rack him!
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Todd came in ready to play mentally. He made the right decisions, but his arm could not make the throws. The next season he was healthy. I'm not sure that had a lot to do with Gus. Todd was the football equivalent of a gym rat. He was that way BEFORE he got to AU.
Totally agree. He knew how to play the position but he was INJURED. We saw what he could do it was just a matter of fixing his shoulder.
Nobody mentored the guy when he was wearing a fucking sling. And most of the Auburn faithful had written him off.
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Totally agree. He knew how to play the position but he was INJURED. We saw what he could do it was just a matter of fixing his shoulder.
Nobody mentored the guy when he was wearing a fucking sling. And most of the Auburn faithful had written him off.
Oh you mean when we got re-Todded...
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Exactly what I expected. You guys never disappoint. :thumsup:
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Gatewood has backed off his "all auburn all the time" tweeting. Been announcing new offers (UGA and Texas).
Not saying we won't get him, but he's heretofore not tweeted about ANY other schools. The Lashlee departure put us behind the eight ball with him, I think.
Well thats the suxxors. Maybe the young man still signs with AU. His highlights are stupid crazy.
Still, point remains. With what is thought to be better talent at the QB position, there are no more excuses for Gus. Done with them. Gus better hope Chip is better at developing QBs is all I gotsta say.
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we, I found this article that basically repeats what you said. A little interesting. Chip best get to work on this kid.
http://247sports.com/Article/Auburn-offensive-coordinator-Chip-Lindsey-to-visit-4-star-Florid-50763556
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If he is going to claim Bullshit he needs to step up his game. The Bogus ones are always a fun read
https://spittingfire.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/alabamas-12-national-championships/
12 National Championships? … The Real Story :bamahomer:
I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama’s claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.
To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.
‘TWELVE’ national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here’s a rundown:
1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC. :bamahomer:
The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it! :bamahomer:
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933! :bamahomer:
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946! :bamahomer:
1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title! :bamahomer: :haha:
1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .
1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.
1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0. :bamahomer:
1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course. :bamahomer: :haha:
1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC. :bamahomer:
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https://spittingfire.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/alabamas-12-national-championships/
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welcome to 2017.
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welcome to 2017.
Have you seen those new Bud Light ads where all the guys on the phone say "Wassuuuuuup". Those are hilarious.
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Have you seen those new Bud Light ads where all the guys on the phone say "Wassuuuuuup". Those are hilarious.
I can't wait to see who wins the Bud vs Bud Light Cans Bowl this year.
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Have you seen those new Bud Light ads where all the guys on the phone say "Wassuuuuuup". Those are hilarious.
That's some funky cold medina
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That's some funky cold medina
Wait, that's a song, right? I heard that the other day. Who does that?
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That's some funky cold medina
We should warm it up with this years cover of the SI Swimsuit Cover. :tongue:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/71/99/6d71997c2f1c628c40352de1983ef8a9.jpg)
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Say Nook are you going Blu-Ray or HD-DVD for the NHOP DVD's? I think Blu-Ray is going to win out.
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That's some funky cold medina
OMG, did you see those crazy shots b/w Bird and Jordan fighting over that Big Mac?
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There was a time that...
There was a time that I thought Gus was great at taking what he had and creating an offense around those strengths.
Supporting Evidence: Chris Todd, Cam Newton, Nick Marshall. Todd struggled pre-Gus (reminded me of a slower, less intelligent Ben Leard) but flourished under Gus. Cam was (eventually) given rein to be The Greatest and ran with it. Literally. Marshall was a project but he understood the basics of the read option better than probably anybody ever has. When it came time to keep it or dish it, he rarely chose wrong. He had the speed and elusiveness to force a defensive commit either way and once that happened? Gash. Was that coaching? Sure. Was it QB development? I don't know.
What made me decide that I was wrong: Trottersly, Frazier, Wallace, Johnson, White, Franklin, Caudle. With every one of those guys, he kept trying to fit a square peg into his single round hole. He had no idea how to maximize what any of them did well -- and quite honestly we could never figure out exactly what that was with many of them. None developed as accurate passers (with the exception of one half against Arkansas for Johnson) and none were ever really able to figure out how to use the read option weapon to destroy. Perhaps it was because they were slower, less athletic, more intelligent. Hate to say that, but it's true. In some cases intelligence doesn't equate to good quarterbacking because you overthink it. Saw that with Johnson. He could not make a decision because he couldn't narrow down the possibilities. Then he would rush it and make the wrong choice because he had to do something. Maybe it was because he always felt like somebody was looking over his shoulder (which is in my esteemed opinion a result of Gus' perpetual 'down to the last play of practice' decisions on a starter), or maybe it was just because he was afraid to let his instincts take over but Johnson froze. Turtle froze. Kadrula froze. That is coaching.
Sean reminds me of Phil Gargis. I've been meaning to say that. If you don't know Gargis, look him up some time.
There was a time when I thought Gus was a playcalling genius.
Supporting evidence: Scoring at will with Cam. Scoring at will with Marshall.
Why I don't think that any longer: No first downs against Georgia. Half of the season with Trottersly. When he has someone under center who can keep the defense honest and make it commit? He's gold. When he doesn't? He sucks and it's BAAAAAD.
All the despicable things Bama fans said about Gus -- one-trick pony, high school offense -- have been realized in some ways. It's disheartening.
We now have a QB with a reputation as a solid passer with good instincts. We have a fleet of highly regarded receivers. We have a solid offensive line and at least one back who can churn up yards when we don't break him in half by running him 57 times a game. I'm curious to see what this offense looks like. Will round hole Gus try to hammer Stidham into his one trick or will we see something different.
I honestly think Gus is as lost as any head coach has been at Auburn. Nobody is ready to survive in the shark waters of the SEC after one season as head coach of the Arkansas Tech Dogpack. He's often flailing and has frequently exhibited to me all the signs of someone who a) doesn't understand why what worked yesterday isn't working today, b) has no idea what to do other than keep on doing what you were doing before and hope it works, and c) feels exhausted and hopeless/distraught because he either won't listen (see D. Craig) or doesn't see a path out.
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Say Nook are you going Blu-Ray or HD-DVD for the NHOP DVD's? I think Blu-Ray is going to win out.
you think...damn I placed the order on HD-DVD.
crossing my fingers.
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you think...damn I placed the order on HD-DVD.
crossing my fingers.
Speaking of trends, I thought you might be in the know with the business you're in. Do you think women are going to stay with the bush or do you see more going to the clean shaven look?
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Speaking of trends, I thought you might be in the know with the business you're in. Do you think women are going to stay with the bush or do you see more going to the clean shaven look?
i'm hedging on a clean look.
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There was a time that...
There was a time that I thought Gus was great at taking what he had and creating an offense around those strengths.
Supporting Evidence: Chris Todd, Cam Newton, Nick Marshall. Todd struggled pre-Gus (reminded me of a slower, less intelligent Ben Leard) but flourished under Gus. Cam was (eventually) given rein to be The Greatest and ran with it. Literally. Marshall was a project but he understood the basics of the read option better than probably anybody ever has. When it came time to keep it or dish it, he rarely chose wrong. He had the speed and elusiveness to force a defensive commit either way and once that happened? Gash. Was that coaching? Sure. Was it QB development? I don't know.
What made me decide that I was wrong: Trottersly, Frazier, Wallace, Johnson, White, Franklin, Caudle. With every one of those guys, he kept trying to fit a square peg into his single round hole. He had no idea how to maximize what any of them did well -- and quite honestly we could never figure out exactly what that was with many of them. None developed as accurate passers (with the exception of one half against Arkansas for Johnson) and none were ever really able to figure out how to use the read option weapon to destroy. Perhaps it was because they were slower, less athletic, more intelligent. Hate to say that, but it's true. In some cases intelligence doesn't equate to good quarterbacking because you overthink it. Saw that with Johnson. He could not make a decision because he couldn't narrow down the possibilities. Then he would rush it and make the wrong choice because he had to do something. Maybe it was because he always felt like somebody was looking over his shoulder (which is in my esteemed opinion a result of Gus' perpetual 'down to the last play of practice' decisions on a starter), or maybe it was just because he was afraid to let his instincts take over but Johnson froze. Turtle froze. Kadrula froze. That is coaching.
Sean reminds me of Phil Gargis. I've been meaning to say that. If you don't know Gargis, look him up some time.
There was a time when I thought Gus was a playcalling genius.
Supporting evidence: Scoring at will with Cam. Scoring at will with Marshall.
Why I don't think that any longer: No first downs against Georgia. Half of the season with Trottersly. When he has someone under center who can keep the defense honest and make it commit? He's gold. When he doesn't? He sucks and it's BAAAAAD.
All the despicable things Bama fans said about Gus -- one-trick pony, high school offense -- have been realized in some ways. It's disheartening.
We now have a QB with a reputation as a solid passer with good instincts. We have a fleet of highly regarded receivers. We have a solid offensive line and at least one back who can churn up yards when we don't break him in half by running him 57 times a game. I'm curious to see what this offense looks like. Will round hole Gus try to hammer Stidham into his one trick or will we see something different.
I honestly think Gus is as lost as any head coach has been at Auburn. Nobody is ready to survive in the shark waters of the SEC after one season as head coach of the Arkansas Tech Dogpack. He's often flailing and has frequently exhibited to me all the signs of someone who a) doesn't understand why what worked yesterday isn't working today, b) has no idea what to do other than keep on doing what you were doing before and hope it works, and c) feels exhausted and hopeless/distraught because he either won't listen (see D. Craig) or doesn't see a path out.
Mods ^Front Page this
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Mods ^Front Page this
Why would you want our front page to say "Why Our Coach Sucks"?
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..he kept trying to fit a square peg into his single round hole. He had no idea how to maximize what any of them did well -- and quite honestly we could never figure out exactly what that was with many of them.
I have been saying this for two seasons. Part of JJs downfall was that the O never was adjusted for him. It was just JJ with NM plays.
And then when White came in, it was clear that the offense that NM ran would not work with SW. It was frustrating because I know the video was not as good back when Todd was the QB, but he could have at least watched a couple of games and jogged his memory. The same type of offense with the talent we have now could have easily flourished.
The one play that I missed most was the 5-out, 5-out, 5-out, 5-out-go! Boom. Walking TD.
How many 5-outs did we throw in the last 4 years. And is there anyone who thinks NM did not have the arm for a 5-out!
It's as if Gus thinks has ascended to a higher plane and the old stuff will not work still!
Hopefully Chip Lashlee can take the reins and keep us fresh!
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Sean White played in 11 games this year. Even with the injuries and throwing numerous passes with a broken wing and no business being in the game, he was:
64% for 1,679 yds. 9 TD's and 3 INT's with a 143.1 passer rating. If Auburn, as a team, is healthy and we're running the ball, he fit the offense perfectly. And yes, the O was adjusted to fit his strengths. No square peg in a round hole. He ran just enough to make it all that much more effective. Nick Marshall ran it 172 and 153 times respectively. White ran it 55 times and with subtracting the sack yardage out, he was pretty damn good.
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Sean White played in 11 games this year. Even with the injuries and throwing numerous passes with a broken wing and no business being in the game, he was:
64% for 1,679 yds. 9 TD's and 3 INT's with a 143.1 passer rating. If Auburn, as a team, is healthy and we're running the ball, he fit the offense perfectly. And yes, the O was adjusted to fit his strengths. No square peg in a round hole. He ran just enough to make it all that much more effective. Nick Marshall ran it 172 and 153 times respectively. White ran it 55 times and with subtracting the sack yardage out, he was pretty damn good.
He's a threat to run the ball(slowly), he was no running threat.
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Why would you want our front page to say "Why Our Coach Sucks"?
This isn't AUFamily or PMarshall. We keep it real herez.
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Sean White played in 11 games this year. Even with the injuries and throwing numerous passes with a broken wing and no business being in the game, he was:
64% for 1,679 yds. 9 TD's and 3 INT's with a 143.1 passer rating. If Auburn, as a team, is healthy and we're running the ball, he fit the offense perfectly. And yes, the O was adjusted to fit his strengths. No square peg in a round hole. He ran just enough to make it all that much more effective. Nick Marshall ran it 172 and 153 times respectively. White ran it 55 times and with subtracting the sack yardage out, he was pretty damn good.
Like mentioned though, White seems to have a knack for injuries. Funny thing is, I don't think Marshall was any bigger than White and hardly ever got injured. Why is that? It seemed Marshall took some big hits but knew how to take them gracefully. White, on the other hand, just throws his body out and hopes for the best.
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This isn't AUFamily or PMarshall. We keep it real herez.
And the title should be: Time For Malzahn to change his QB trend
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This isn't AUFamily or PMarshall. We keep it real herez.
Yes. But we actually have a few people who are trend setters and power brokers at AU on here. Inside connections and what not. We have to be careful as to not forecast coaching moves we may deem....I mean, they may be considering.
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He's a threat to run the ball(slowly), he was no running threat.
4.6 is not slow. It's just not JF3 fast.
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Like mentioned though, White seems to have a knack for injuries. Funny thing is, I don't think Marshall was any bigger than White and hardly ever got injured. Why is that? It seemed Marshall took some big hits but knew how to take them gracefully. White, on the other hand, just throws his body out and hopes for the best.
White is listed at 6' 200. Marshall was 6'1 210 at Auburn. Not any huge size differential but the bottom line is that Marshall is clearly the better athlete. The one practice I went to (I have many inside sources and connections) the day Marshall got the starting nod, they were alternating him, Johnson and Wallace every series in a scrimmage in the indoor facility. NM was light years ahead of anybody on the field in quickness and overall speed.
Special athlete perfectly suited for the read option.
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I have been saying this for two seasons. Part of JJs downfall was that the O never was adjusted for him. It was just JJ with NM plays.
And then when White came in, it was clear that the offense that NM ran would not work with SW. It was frustrating because I know the video was not as good back when Todd was the QB, but he could have at least watched a couple of games and jogged his memory. The same type of offense with the talent we have now could have easily flourished.
The one play that I missed most was the 5-out, 5-out, 5-out, 5-out-go! Boom. Walking TD.
How many 5-outs did we throw in the last 4 years. And is there anyone who thinks NM did not have the arm for a 5-out!
It's as if Gus thinks has ascended to a higher plane and the old stuff will not work still!
Hopefully Chip Lashlee can take the reins and keep us fresh!
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He's a threat to run the ball(slowly), he was no running threat.
Sean beat Jeremy in the 40
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Sean beat Jeremy in the 40
Sean can down a 40 faster than JJ? GTFOH!!!
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White is listed at 6' 200. Marshall was 6'1 210 at Auburn. Not any huge size differential but the bottom line is that Marshall is clearly the better athlete. The one practice I went to (I have many inside sources and connections) the day Marshall got the starting nod, they were alternating him, Johnson and Wallace every series in a scrimmage in the indoor facility. NM was light years ahead of anybody on the field in quickness and overall speed.
Special athlete perfectly suited for the read option.
True that. I am sure Marshalls athleticism had a lot to do with but it seemed like Marshall knew how to also take a hit.....(if the D could catch him). White doesn't. Da boy gets hurt just thinking about it. Knowing that made me cringe every time White took off running.
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True that. I am sure Marshalls athleticism had a lot to do with but it seemed like Marshall knew how to also take a hit.....(if the D could catch him). White doesn't. Da boy gets hurt just thinking about it. Knowing that made me cringe every time White took off running.
He needs to learn to slide, slide, slippity-slide.
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He needs to learn to slide, slide, slippity-slide.
Yes. The boy has some mojo, sometimes too big for his bitc.....I mean, britches.
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Yes. The boy has some mojo, sometimes too big for his bitc.....I mean, britches.
Loved his guts going full RGIII against the Sooners. Hated the decision because he got about the same results RGIII gets every time he takes on a defender. Season!
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...to the nth power.
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Sean can down a 40 faster than JJ? GTFOH!!!
Yes, but only an OLDE ENGLISH 800
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4.6 is not slow. It's just not JF3 fast.
Tell that to my wife. :gig:
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Sean beat Jeremy in the 40
Jeremy was prolly afraid the guys keeping time were going to hit him when he got there.
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Tell that to my wife. :gig:
Well well. So first we find out that GH likes 9"1/2 cocks. Now, your wife is bumping uglies with Sean White? Or is it, Nick Marshall?
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Well well. So first we find out that GH likes 9"1/2 cocks. Now, your wife is bumping uglies with Sean White? Or is it, Nick Marshall?
She'd break Sean in half.
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Loved his guts going full RGIII against the Sooners. Hated the decision because he got about the same results RGIII gets every time he takes on a defender. Season!
Me too. Except the genius and boy wonder never gave White or JJ the plan that Todd had. And that's the mystery of the "square peg round hole " as Kaos said and CCTAU backed. FAIL.
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Well well. So first we find out that GH likes 9"1/2 cocks. Now, your wife is bumping uglies with Sean White? Or is it, Nick Marshall?
Well as they say, "Once you go black, you never go back".
Wait.....I think this past election disproved that theory.
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Me too. Except the genius and boy wonder never gave White or JJ the plan that Todd had. And that's the mystery of the "square peg round hole " as Kaos said and CCTAU backed. FAIL.
Chris Todd was slower than a slug on valium. White has respectable wheels. Thus, the offense geared to allow him to pop the occasional run. Not fail. Kid just got hurt.
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Chris Todd was slower than a slug on valium. White has respectable wheels. Thus, the offense geared to allow him to pop the occasional run. Not fail. Kid just got hurt.
Don't know if his frame could handle it, but 10 to 15 pounds might help absorb the hits a little better.
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Chris Todd was slower than a slug on valium. White has respectable wheels. Thus, the offense geared to allow him to pop the occasional run. Not fail. Kid just got hurt.
The argument has nothing whatsoever to do with injury. It comes down to scheming with what you have.
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Chris Todd was slower than a slug on valium. White has respectable wheels. Thus, the offense geared to allow him to pop the occasional run. Not fail. Kid just got hurt.
Todd didn't have to run the read option damn it. That's the cat's ass. Nothing to do with durability. OR SPEED!
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A guy with respectable speed is like A.J. McCarron. He is expected to pick his spots.
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The argument has nothing whatsoever to do with injury. It comes down to scheming with what you have.
Exactly! And the offense was clicking on all cylinders and ass was being beaten while White was healthy. The beef with Malzahn was that either there was no talent at back up or no one prepared to come in and run the team. Not with Sean White.
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Malzahn failed White!
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Malzahn failed White!
Jason Garrett failed Tony Romo!
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White nor JJ are runners, not in a read option sense. Everyone should recognize that as an undisputed FACT!
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Jason Garrett failed Tony Romo!
Horseshit.
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Sean White played in 11 games this year. Even with the injuries and throwing numerous passes with a broken wing and no business being in the game, he was:
64% for 1,679 yds. 9 TD's and 3 INT's with a 143.1 passer rating. If Auburn, as a team, is healthy and we're running the ball, he fit the offense perfectly. And yes, the O was adjusted to fit his strengths. No square peg in a round hole. He ran just enough to make it all that much more effective. Nick Marshall ran it 172 and 153 times respectively. White ran it 55 times and with subtracting the sack yardage out, he was pretty damn good.
Agree with you to a point, I still don't get the people bagging on White. I don't give a fuck what the stats are or how he does it, the kid won us games. Oh and btw his stats were good. I do get the fact he hasn't finished a season and yes that is a problem, he himself admits that.
But I disagree with you that Gus tailored his offense to SW. To me it's kind of a mix between you and CCTAU are saying. Because CCTAU and I have been saying the same thing since Nick Marshall left we have been running the zone read. Yes we ran the Zone Read with Cam but not to the extent we did with Marshall. Gus prior to Marshall seemed like he could make changes and adapt his offense, since Marshall graduated that has not been the case IMHO.
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Dak Prescott is a big bodied runner who sprints out and throws to mostly wide open receivers. Tony Romo for the most part stands in there and delivers/ pro style. And the latter hangs in there to throw in tight windows. You can't win this one BRO.
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Horseshit.
Stop drinking so early.
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Godfather is right also. He gears his offense toward running QBs.
That said, he needs to recruit SOLELY to that end or let Chip run it ALL.
Because he has failed fucking miserably to coach what a kid is FUCKING CAPABLE OF DOING otherwise.
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Stop drinking so early.
Fail
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Stop drinking so early.
You should try it. It's a gas.
No you should pick an argument you can properly defend.
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Godfather is right also. He gears his offense toward running QBs.
It definitely seems so now.
Sad part is there was a time that it didn't matter...he had plays for any QB. Maybe they were in the green binder that Chipper took with him after 2013.
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Agree with you to a point, I still don't get the people bagging on White. I don't give a fuck what the stats are or how he does it, the kid won us games. Oh and btw his stats were good. I do get the fact he hasn't finished a season and yes that is a problem, he himself admits that.
But I disagree with you that Gus tailored his offense to SW. To me it's kind of a mix between you and CCTAU are saying. Because CCTAU and I have been saying the same thing since Nick Marshall left we have been running the zone read. Yes we ran the Zone Read with Cam but not to the extent we did with Marshall. Gus prior to Marshall seemed like he could make changes and adapt his offense, since Marshall graduated that has not been the case IMHO.
I'm feeling you, playa. I've griped about the things that have been omitted from the offense the last few years as well. Like the elimination of the TE. I would only counter by saying Cam ran the ball 264 times in 2010. As I said earlier, Marshall was running around 160 times per year. Sean was averaging 5 carries a game and was very effective when he did keep it. So while the read option was still the offense, that particular "option" was kept to a minimum, for obvious reasons.
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You should try it. It's a gas.
No you should pick an argument you can properly defend.
No problems, mon. Just enjoying a little football debate without posting in all caps. :boom:
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All I know is...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/F_f8l2RRKko/hqdefault.jpg)
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All I know is...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/F_f8l2RRKko/hqdefault.jpg)
We are still shitty but on the other hand we are oh so close. That's the quandry.
We need to gear the offense to our strengths.
And I don't care if it's 40/30 pass to run or Woody Barrett and Kam Pettway giving a clinic, all I want is for Auburn to succeed.
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No problems, mon. Just enjoying a little football debate without posting in all caps. :boom:
Hey I'm only yelling to be heard over all these other stiffs.
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Hey I'm only yelling to be heard over all these other stiffs.
It's okay. Their points are no less valid than yours. :poke:
#Boom #Dropmic #respectmyauthoritie
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It's okay. Their points are no less valid than yours. :poke:
#Boom #Dropmic #respectmyauthoritie
I am the absolute authoriti when it comes to offense matching a QBs strengths.
This you should already know.
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You two get a room
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I'm feeling you, playa. I've griped about the things that have been omitted from the offense the last few years as well. Like the elimination of the TE. I would only counter by saying Cam ran the ball 264 times in 2010. As I said earlier, Marshall was running around 160 times per year. Sean was averaging 5 carries a game and was very effective when he did keep it. So while the read option was still the offense, that particular "option" was kept to a minimum, for obvious reasons.
If you aren't runnning it, you cannot hand the fucking ball off on the dive eight out of ten times on first down. You just can't. And yet we did. How many times last year did we look at second and nine-plus? That's bullheadedness.
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If you aren't runnning it, you cannot hand the fucking ball off on the dive eight out of ten times on first down. You just can't. And yet we did. How many times last year did we look at second and nine-plus? That's bullheadedness.
And yet, when Sean and Kamryn were healthy, we were pretty much leading the nation in rushing. Those two stay healthy and we're all probably having a different conversation right now.
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True that. I am sure Marshalls athleticism had a lot to do with but it seemed like Marshall knew how to also take a hit.....(if the D could catch him). White doesn't. Da boy gets hurt just thinking about it. Knowing that made me cringe every time White took off running.
This is code for Marshall being black.^^ This is some Jimmy the Greek type racial insensitivity right here. No doubt.
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And yet, when Sean and Kamryn were healthy, we were pretty much leading the nation in rushing. Those two stay healthy and we're all probably having a different conversation right now.
Some would say that we did that against the soft part of our schedule. Truth!
The term dual threat is a misnomer.
Sean isn't a runner. That's not his fault. He can evade a rush, buy a little time and take off a few times but that's mostly out of the lack of options Gushlee offered.
One primary. Nobody open. Run for your life.
To his credit, he mostly resisted forcing throws.
And again we have the new guy Stidham. He comes from an *offensive league. People are saying: oh he's a passer and yeah he can run but I don't think he will be the runner we are led to believe he is.
He will not be a read option QB, no way no how.
Might he run a couple of read option plays per game? Yes, but it's his ability to get the ball deep which stands out -in limited action.
So what does that mean for Gus?
It means Chip needs to teach Kodi Burns how to coach receivers. It means we can't hang our QBs out there without a secondary choice...like a tight end.
It means we have to stop being so damned **hardheaded and predictable.
*We found out that Oklahoma plays some pretty good defense.
**We should have been able to beat Georgia even while being hardheaded and predictable.
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Secondly, while the talk is all about recruiting, Sean's recovery and Franklin's hand syndrome, our CEO needs to be putting together a collection of Cam and Nick cut-ups for Woody Barrett to study with the intentions of incorporating that into our "newfound passing attack."
That's preparation for the future of Auburn football if anybody in the program can project beyond the now.
I'm 58 years old and interested in winning now. But it doesn't mean that I can't want for a better future either with or without Jacobs, Malzahn and Co.
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This is code for Marshall being black.^^ This is some Jimmy the Greek type racial insensitivity right here. No doubt.
No, this isn't racist. You should read some of the other stuff I've posted if you think this is racist.
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Secondly, while the talk is all about recruiting, Sean's recovery and Franklin's hand syndrome, our CEO needs to be putting together a collection of Cam and Nick cut-ups for Woody Barrett to study with the intentions of incorporating that into our "newfound passing attack."
When are you expecting Woody's child? Have you picked out a name yet? Are you registered at Bed, Bath, and Beyond or Target?
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Secondly, while the talk is all about recruiting, Sean's recovery and Franklin's hand syndrome, our CEO needs to be putting together a collection of Cam and Nick cut-ups for Woody Barrett to study with the intentions of incorporating that into our "newfound passing attack."
I think you might get better results form JF3, if you can convince him he can outrun everybody.
Cam was special. You cannot teach that. Nick was fast and full of playground confidence. You might be able to teach JF3 to have that confidence. Unless Woody is fast as hell, he will need to be taught in the same mold as SW and JS. The difference might be that he runs a bit more. but all in all, you don't teach what Nick and Cam had.
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Some would say that we did that against the soft part of our schedule. Truth!
The term dual threat is a misnomer.
Sean isn't a runner. That's not his fault. He can evade a rush, buy a little time and take off a few times but that's mostly out of the lack of options Gushlee offered.
One primary. Nobody open. Run for your life.
To his credit, he mostly resisted forcing throws.
And again we have the new guy Stidham. He comes from an *offensive league. People are saying: oh he's a passer and yeah he can run but I don't think he will be the runner we are led to believe he is.
He will not be a read option QB, no way no how.
Might he run a couple of read option plays per game? Yes, but it's his ability to get the ball deep which stands out -in limited action.
So what does that mean for Gus?
It means Chip needs to teach Kodi Burns how to coach receivers. It means we can't hang our QBs out there without a secondary choice...like a tight end.
It means we have to stop being so damned **hardheaded and predictable.
*We found out that Oklahoma plays some pretty good defense.
**We should have been able to beat Georgia even while being hardheaded and predictable.
Who hijacked jmars account? This is some spot on stuff.
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Who hijacked jmars account? This is some spot on stuff.
New meds?
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I think you might get better results form JF3, if you can convince him he can outrun everybody.
Cam was special. You cannot teach that. Nick was fast and full of playground confidence. You might be able to teach JF3 to have that confidence. Unless Woody is fast as hell, he will need to be taught in the same mold as SW and JS. The difference might be that he runs a bit more. but all in all, you don't teach what Nick and Cam had.
Hopefully this is what Chip brings to the table.
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I think you might get better results form JF3, if you can convince him he can outrun everybody.
Cam was special. You cannot teach that. Nick was fast and full of playground confidence. You might be able to teach JF3 to have that confidence. Unless Woody is fast as hell, he will need to be taught in the same mold as SW and JS. The difference might be that he runs a bit more. but all in all, you don't teach what Nick and Cam had.
True. My thought is that Barrett could be a little of both Cam and Nick only I've no idea what to expect or if he will ever see the field.
Don't know what kind of wheels he has. Have seen JFIII hand off fifteen straight times though which tells us he can't make the correct read. He might take it to the house on the fifteenth attempt or fumble.
On the other hand he might be worth the risk if he could score every 7 or 8 plays with a fumble.
Do we have an actuary here to run the numbers?
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JF68 is one of my biggest gripes with Malzahn, far more than QB development. I was opposed to signing this kid from the minute they started talking about it. At least as a QB. He's fast, no doubt. Then sign him as an athlete. Let him return punts. Play in the slot. Recreate the Ontario MacKalib role. But an SEC quarterback when he's 147 pounds, 4'9" and couldn't start in JUCO, much less FSU?
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JF68 is one of my biggest gripes with Malzahn, far more than QB development. I was opposed to signing this kid from the minute they started talking about it. At least as a QB. He's fast, no doubt. Then sign him as an athlete. Let him return punts. Play in the slot. Recreate the Ontario MacKalib role. But an SEC quarterback when he's 147 pounds, 4'9" and couldn't start in JUCO, much less FSU?
If I remember correctly, didn't Gus balk at signing at first and went with Rhetts plea? Anyways, I doubt Frankin stays at QB now with Stidham, White and Woody at that position.
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If I remember correctly, didn't Gus balk at signing at first and went with Rhetts plea? Anyways, I doubt Frankin stays at QB now with Stidham, White and Woody at that position.
Everything I read was that Lashlee was the one smitten like a kitten after watching JF195 run for the touchdowns. Gus should have said, "Wait, the football is bigger than this kid is."
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JF68 is one of my biggest gripes with Malzahn, far more than QB development. I was opposed to signing this kid from the minute they started talking about it. At least as a QB. He's fast, no doubt. Then sign him as an athlete. Let him return punts. Play in the slot. Recreate the Ontario MacKalib role. But an SEC quarterback when he's 147 pounds, 4'9" and couldn't start in JUCO, much less FSU?
No doubt. And if it ends badly Malzahn has nobody to blame but himself.
I çriticize Malzahn but I have to give him credit for bringing in strong classes and making some decent hires. Just want him to succeed and hope Chip can make it happen.
One more thing.
Being old like myself and some others around here...I know there were past years where we would have been thrilled just to have half of the shit to complain about that we have today.
Just saying there have been years when we just had to play the hand we were dealt.
Such is life.
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No doubt. And if it ends badly Malzahn has nobody to blame but himself.
I çriticize Malzahn but I have to give him credit for bringing in strong classes and making some decent hires. Just want him to succeed and hope Chip can make it happen.
One more thing.
Being old like myself and some others around here...I know there were past years where we would have been thrilled just to have half of the shit to complain about that we have today.
Just saying there have been years when we just had to play the hand we were dealt.
Such is life.
In one sense, we're LSU the last few years under Miles. Top 10 classes every year. Talent out the yang-yang all over the field. But the two critical areas, play calling/scheme and QB have gone Kabo Wabo.
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In one sense, we're LSU the last few years under Miles. Top 10 classes every year. Talent out the yang-yang all over the field. But the two critical areas, play calling/scheme and QB have gone Kabo Wabo.
True, and yet AU, State and Ole Piss can beat them.
And how is it that there is this insane narrative every season building up their game with Alabama?
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In one sense, we're LSU the last few years under Miles. Top 10 classes every year. Talent out the yang-yang all over the field. But the two critical areas, play calling/scheme and QB have gone Kabo Wabo.
Thanks Sammy!
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Thanks Sammy!
Post my face wanted dead or alive.
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In one sense, we're LSU the last few years under Miles. Top 10 classes every year. Talent out the yang-yang all over the field. But the two critical areas, play calling/scheme and QB have gone Kabo Wabo.
That would explain some of the game plans. No sober person would make some of those calls.
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JF68 is one of my biggest gripes with Malzahn, far more than QB development. I was opposed to signing this kid from the minute they started talking about it. At least as a QB. He's fast, no doubt. Then sign him as an athlete. Let him return punts. Play in the slot. Recreate the Ontario MacKalib role. But an SEC quarterback when he's 147 pounds, 4'9" and couldn't start in JUCO, much less FSU?
AGAIN...He can't hold on to the Ball!!!!
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That would explain some of the game plans. No sober person would make some of those calls.
Well they might...If they thought they had created the world's greatest play and that it could just save the world!
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He has a good point ya know.
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Well they might...If they thought they had created the world's greatest play and that it could just save the world!
Twirly Bird can't save shit. Dat already been decided.
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Twirly Bird can't save shit. Dat already been decided.
But he did not know that when he was locked in a room for two days straight inventing it!
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But he did not know that when he was locked in a room for two days straight inventing it!
It must be some kind of torture being a genius and all.
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AGAIN...He can't hold on to the Ball!!!!
So, you saying JF423 to DB?
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So, you saying JF423 to DB?
Orrrrr we could trade him for a few Boston butts and a keg of beer.
Probably just get the keg...
of Natty Light.
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AGAIN...He can't hold on to the Ball!!!!
And there's that, too.
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Orrrrr we could trade him for a few Boston butts and a keg of beer.
Probably just get the keg...
of Natty Light.
If we add Buzz to the deal think they might upgrade the beer selection?
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If we add Buzz to the deal think they might upgrade the beer selection?
We might rate a half keg of Mickey's Malt Liquor.
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And there's that, too.
I just don't want to go back to the Terry Bowden school of Special Teams whenever we had a Punt Returner back you would say a hail mary hoping he would just catch the damn punt.
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I just don't want to go back to the Terry Bowden school of Special Teams whenever we had a Punt Returner back you would say a hail mary hoping he would just catch the damn punt.
Happens with kickers too
https://youtu.be/oDlLPB-iqnw
If you let me kick this one, I promise to stop cheating on my wife with black guys.