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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Six on September 18, 2016, 02:23:52 PM
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Why firing Gus Malzahn might not be the right answer for Auburn
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/auburn-texas-a-m-result-gus-malzahn-hot-seat-status-fired-replacements-091716 (http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/auburn-texas-a-m-result-gus-malzahn-hot-seat-status-fired-replacements-091716)
Aaron Tores from Fox Sports writes:
Over the next few days, there won't be a more compelling conversation in college football than the future of Gus Malzahn at Auburn. With a 1-2 record, a game against LSU looming and an impossible SEC slate from there, it seems to be a matter of when Malzahn will be handed his walking papers, not if.
But while the move seems to be inevitable, it also could be the wrong decision. Firing Malzahn likely won't get Auburn any closer to its goal of winning a national championship.
Auburn fans reading this might think I'm crazy, and I understand why. Malzahn is now 1-2 this year and 11-13 since starting the 2014 season 5-0. Even worse is that the Tigers' offense -- which is supposed to be this team's bread and butter -- has scored a grand total of 29 points in losses to Clemson and Texas A&M to start the season. Considering they averaged 39 points a game during the Tigers' title game run in 2013, that is obviously a massive turn in the wrong direction.
But here is the counter argument: If you've watched the Tigers closely this year, they're actually not a bad team. The defense was dynamite against Clemson and Texas A&M, and if Auburn had a more manageable schedule to open the year (like that of Michigan, Washington or other relatively untested teams) maybe they would have time to iron out the kinks in their offense.
Instead they had a brutal schedule to start and play a brutal schedule going forward, leaving them no margin for error in the SEC West, the toughest division in college football. Let's just say Auburn played in the SEC East instead of the West, the much easier division. Wouldn't they be the second- or third-best team there and look much better than they have? It seems likely.
Unfortunately, the Tigers are in the West, and because of it Malzahn's clock is ticking. While firing Malzahn seems like the easy solution, here's the problem: Unless the Tigers went out and hired Art Briles (which, as things stand, seems unlikely), what guarantee is there that they get a better coach than Malzahn? There isn't one.
There isn't a Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh or Urban Meyer out there, a guy who is a guaranteed home run hire. While a second-tier Power 5 coach seems attainable (let's use UNC's Larry Fedora as an example of the level of potential candidates for Auburn), I've got to ask: Why would any coach want to leave a good job, making good money, to come to Auburn where they're second-fiddle in their own state and in the toughest division in college football? It's career suicide, which is why a major assistant or non-Power 5 head coach seems more realistic.
Of course, Auburn fans don't want to hear that, but that's reality. Think of the other major college football powers who've had job openings over the last few years.
USC hired an interim in Clay Helton because there wasn't a better candidate out there. Georgia hired Kirby Smart, a guy with zero head coaching experience whose best qualifications were that he was an alum of the school and worked under Nick Saban. Florida fans weren't happy with the Jim McElwain hire and Charlie Strong was Texas' fifth or sixth choice, even if both those hires look good with hindsight.
Outside of Jim Harbaugh to Michigan, what coach who's been hired over the last few years was a can't-miss hire the entire fan-base agreed upon? There isn't one.
That is why Auburn needs to proceed cautiously.
Yes, I know fans are frustrated with the state of the program, and it's tough being disappointed week after week with the performance of your team.
But while firing Malzahn is the knee-jerk, obvious reaction, it might not be the right one.
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Won't matter if we fire him or not, if Jacobs makes the next hire, we are back here in 4 years.
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Why would Alabama fire Shula?
They were delusional thinking they would ever get back to winning championships. No good coach would touch that program.
Auburn isn't even asking for championships at this point. I think we all just want competitive, consistent football.
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I'm not in the, as he put it, knee jerk reaction mode and want to fire Malzahn. I was last night in JHS. But then, I was several whiskey drinks in. The man's stubbornness, shitty play calling, refusal to mold his offense to his QB's strengths is mind boggling. I say again, as I said in another thread...Sean White is NOT a read option QB. So STOP running it and STOP handing off between the tackles on 90% of every first down plays.
We were all encouraged by the performance against ASU. Look, the Red Puppies are horrible and were grossly overmatched. Toledo torched them. We hung 8,000 yards on them. They lost to Utah State last night and were down 24-0 at the half. We looked like world beaters. But did you notice something? We handed the ball off up the middle just about every...single...fucking...first down. Okay when you can steamroll a Sun Belt team. Will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever work against any SEC team as long as Sean White is at QB. He's not Cam. He's not Nick. So, on every single fucking first down, teams can treat it like it's 3rd and 1. Respect the outside but stack the box.
What is this man's stubbornness in running the offense this way when he doesn't have the QB to do it? Where is the TE? Where are the wheel routes? Why has he completely abandoned the pump fake/fly pattern? Question. If you're LSU or Ole Miss or Georgia or Bama and you're defending Auburn on first down...what do you do? I'll hang up and lissen'. Nope, don't need to. I already know the answer and so do you. And so do every one of those teams.
I'm not all about firing him, but has the man forgotten how to coach?
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I'm not in the, as he put it, knee jerk reaction mode and want to fire Malzahn. I was last night in JHS. But then, I was several whiskey drinks in. The man's stubbornness, shitty play calling, refusal to mold his offense to his QB's strengths is mind boggling. I say again, as I said in another thread...Sean White is NOT a read option QB. So STOP running it and STOP handing off between the tackles on 90% of every first down plays.
We were all encouraged by the performance against ASU. Look, the Red Puppies are horrible and were grossly overmatched. Toledo torched them. We hung 8,000 yards on them. They lost to Utah State last night and were down 24-0 at the half. We looked like world beaters. But did you notice something? We handed the ball off up the middle just about every...single...fucking...first down. Okay when you can steamroll a Sun Belt team. Will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever work against any SEC team as long as Sean White is at QB. He's not Cam. He's not Nick. So, on every single fucking first down, teams can treat it like it's 3rd and 1. Respect the outside but stack the box.
What is this man's stubbornness in running the offense this way when he doesn't have the QB to do it? Where is the TE? Where are the wheel routes? Why has he completely abandoned the pump fake/fly pattern? Question. If you're LSU or Ole Miss or Georgia or Bama and you're defending Auburn on first down...what do you do? I'll hang up and lissen'. Nope, don't need to. I already know the answer and so do you. And so do every one of those teams.
I'm not all about firing him, but has the man forgotten how to coach?
I'm not about firing him either......Yet, but I'm fucking getting close
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I'm not in the, as he put it, knee jerk reaction mode and want to fire Malzahn. I was last night in JHS. But then, I was several whiskey drinks in. The man's stubbornness, shitty play calling, refusal to mold his offense to his QB's strengths is mind boggling. I say again, as I said in another thread...Sean White is NOT a read option QB. So STOP running it and STOP handing off between the tackles on 90% of every first down plays.
We were all encouraged by the performance against ASU. Look, the Red Puppies are horrible and were grossly overmatched. Toledo torched them. We hung 8,000 yards on them. They lost to Utah State last night and were down 24-0 at the half. We looked like world beaters. But did you notice something? We handed the ball off up the middle just about every...single...fucking...first down. Okay when you can steamroll a Sun Belt team. Will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever work against any SEC team as long as Sean White is at QB. He's not Cam. He's not Nick. So, on every single fucking first down, teams can treat it like it's 3rd and 1. Respect the outside but stack the box.
What is this man's stubbornness in running the offense this way when he doesn't have the QB to do it? Where is the TE? Where are the wheel routes? Why has he completely abandoned the pump fake/fly pattern? Question. If you're LSU or Ole Miss or Georgia or Bama and you're defending Auburn on first down...what do you do? I'll hang up and lissen'. Nope, don't need to. I already know the answer and so do you. And so do every one of those teams.
I'm not all about firing him, but has the man forgotten how to coach?
Yup, it's SSDD...with the exception of that one play that he tries to run (which fails 99.8% of the time). You know the play I'm talking about...
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1101387/waterboy-o.gif)
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Until JJ is gone, no need to fire or hire another football coach!
Why in the hell would you give CGM an extension after last season?
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I'm not in the, as he put it, knee jerk reaction mode and want to fire Malzahn. I was last night in JHS. But then, I was several whiskey drinks in. The man's stubbornness, shitty play calling, refusal to mold his offense to his QB's strengths is mind boggling. I say again, as I said in another thread...Sean White is NOT a read option QB. So STOP running it and STOP handing off between the tackles on 90% of every first down plays.
We were all encouraged by the performance against ASU. Look, the Red Puppies are horrible and were grossly overmatched. Toledo torched them. We hung 8,000 yards on them. They lost to Utah State last night and were down 24-0 at the half. We looked like world beaters. But did you notice something? We handed the ball off up the middle just about every...single...fucking...first down. Okay when you can steamroll a Sun Belt team. Will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever work against any SEC team as long as Sean White is at QB. He's not Cam. He's not Nick. So, on every single fucking first down, teams can treat it like it's 3rd and 1. Respect the outside but stack the box.
What is this man's stubbornness in running the offense this way when he doesn't have the QB to do it? Where is the TE? Where are the wheel routes? Why has he completely abandoned the pump fake/fly pattern? Question. If you're LSU or Ole Miss or Georgia or Bama and you're defending Auburn on first down...what do you do? I'll hang up and lissen'. Nope, don't need to. I already know the answer and so do you. And so do every one of those teams.
I'm not all about firing him, but has the man forgotten how to coach?
The whiskey had you talking shit about Carl Lawson. That was some good stuff.
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Won't matter if we fire him or not, if Jacobs makes the next hire, we are back here in 4 years.
Which is really the bigger issue. Most of the fanbase doesnt view it this way. They just want the next coach galldammet. Sorry to say but Gus should not have gotten this gig in 12. Not even top 3. He had more experience than smart of the list we had but that was about his only redeeming quality. How Patterson has not seriously gotten even close to being pulled from Tcu just baffles me. I still like Briles but the scandal is gonna hurt him a while. If Tom Herman isnt in Every coaching vacancy's top 2 at the end of this year, then those schools are on crack.
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The whiskey had you talking shit about Carl Lawson. That was some good stuff.
Yeah, it did. Buy I'm not drinking whiskey right now. Lawson...ain't...done...shit. 3 games in. Here's his stats. 1 solo tackle. 4 assists. There's more? Nope. Oh well, he's getting double teamed. No...he's not. I watched him exclusively, play after play last night. He was either crashing inside, breaking containment, getting stoned at the line or just flat out getting pancaked. One man whipped his ass to a soda water finish all night.
1 tackle in 3 games. Yeah, I'm talking shit about him. I'm a bad man!!! Well, a bald man...but what's an L? Srsly, our D has played lights out, for Auburn. Lawson ain't done shit!
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Yeah, it did. Buy I'm not drinking whiskey right now. Lawson...ain't...done...shit. 3 games in. Here's his stats. 1 solo tackle. 4 assists. There's more? Nope. Oh well, he's getting double teamed. No...he's not. I watched him exclusively, play after play last night. He was either crashing inside, breaking containment, getting stoned at the line or just flat out getting pancaked. One man whipped his ass to a soda water finish all night.
1 tackle in 3 games. Yeah, I'm talking shit about him. I'm a bad man!!! Well, a bald man...but what's an L? Srsly, our D has played lights out, for Auburn. Lawson ain't done shit!
Gus must be helping him personally .
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Why in the hell would you give CGM an extension after last season?
If you were getting kickbacks, wouldn't you give an extention?
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Lawson looks great in the uniform and on the front of the media guide tho? Shit he has one more tackle than I do this season.
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Lawson looks great in the uniform and on the front of the media guide tho? Shit he has one more tackle than I do this season.
Oh to have Coach Rock calling stunts for this front.
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Oh to have Coach Rock calling stunts for this front.
Rock was the best defensive line coach I ever played for.
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Rock was the best defensive line coach I ever played for.
That's certainly better than playing under him. Big dude.
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Mama says Coach Rock is da debil
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The best available HC I can think of that is Dana Holgerson. Very good play caller and with our talent...ah piss on it!
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If Tom Herman isnt in Every coaching vacancy's top 2 at the end of this year, then those schools are on crack.
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I want him.
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^^^
I want him.
We can back a Brinks up to his home but I don't think we can get him.
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Mendenhall never had a losing season at BYU but he's in his first season at UVa. Making about 3.75 M but finding it tough sledding so for.
Hudspeth of the Ragin' Cajuns is still around.
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The best available HC I can think of that is Dana Holgerson. Very good play caller and with our talent...ah piss on it!
I thought she was great in Diffrent Strokes. Didn't know she'd gone into coaching.
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We can back a Brinks up to his home but I don't think we can get him.
Couple of ski masks, some rope. Maybe some duct tape. I don't think he's that elusive.
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The whiskey had you talking shit about Carl Lawson. That was some good stuff.
I just let that one go
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I just let that one go
ONE tackle in 3 games. ONE!!!
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I just let that one go
Would sure like to see a video of that little incident.
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ONE tackle in 3 games. ONE!!!
He's saving it for the real tests.
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Great fucking logic. Don't try to fix the clusterfuck! It might get worse!
That defeatist mindset is what gave us Auburn Football in the 1970's.
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The speculation on possible coaches is the norm in this situation. But the reality is, Malzahn will be our guy the rest of the season. Long way to go. And I'd love to see some brakes pumped on Tom Herman. He's Hansel. He's so hot right now. Yeah, he's got a damn fine resume as an OC and had a great first year as a HC. But, anyone see any parallels? He stepped into a job with one of the most dynamic playmakers in the country at QB. But they whipped Oklahoma. Yep, and tOSU just hung 45 on them too and stole their lunch money. The Sooners aren't very good.
Tom Herman may be the next Urban Cryer. He also may be what so many said about Gus, learning on the job. He's been a HC for one season and 3 games. He looks damn good with Greg Ward, Jr, at the helm. Do you really want to back the Brink's Truck up for this guy?
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The speculation on possible coaches is the norm in this situation. But the reality is, Malzahn will be our guy the rest of the season. Long way to go. And I'd love to see some brakes pumped on Tom Herman. He's Hansel. He's so hot right now. Yeah, he's got a damn fine resume as an OC and had a great first year as a HC. But, anyone see any parallels? He stepped into a job with one of the most dynamic playmakers in the country at QB. But they whipped Oklahoma. Yep, and tOSU just hung 45 on them too and stole their lunch money. The Sooners aren't very good.
Tom Herman may be the next Urban Cryer. He also may be what so many said about Gus, learning on the job. He's been a HC for one season and 3 games. He looks damn good with Greg Ward, Jr, at the helm. Do you really want to back the Brink's Truck up for this guy?
I mean, as long as we have Jay Jacobs it doesn't really matter. He will not hire Herman. He will hire some mediocre coach and everyone will grudgingly drag their feet to support him...only to be in this same position 4 years from now.
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ONE tackle in 3 games. ONE!!!
True.
But not sure a slow start defines him overall as a player. The difference he made last year when he came back was very obvious.
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I mean, as long as we have Jay Jacobs it doesn't really matter. He will not hire Herman. He will hire some mediocre coach and everyone will grudgingly drag their feet to support him...only to be in this same position 4 years from now.
And the University will have a lot less money. :haha:
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I'm not in the, as he put it, knee jerk reaction mode and want to fire Malzahn. I was last night in JHS. But then, I was several whiskey drinks in. The man's stubbornness, shitty play calling, refusal to mold his offense to his QB's strengths is mind boggling. I say again, as I said in another thread...Sean White is NOT a read option QB. So STOP running it and STOP handing off between the tackles on 90% of every first down plays.
We were all encouraged by the performance against ASU. Look, the Red Puppies are horrible and were grossly overmatched. Toledo torched them. We hung 8,000 yards on them. They lost to Utah State last night and were down 24-0 at the half. We looked like world beaters. But did you notice something? We handed the ball off up the middle just about every...single...fucking...first down. Okay when you can steamroll a Sun Belt team. Will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever work against any SEC team as long as Sean White is at QB. He's not Cam. He's not Nick. So, on every single fucking first down, teams can treat it like it's 3rd and 1. Respect the outside but stack the box.
What is this man's stubbornness in running the offense this way when he doesn't have the QB to do it? Where is the TE? Where are the wheel routes? Why has he completely abandoned the pump fake/fly pattern? Question. If you're LSU or Ole Miss or Georgia or Bama and you're defending Auburn on first down...what do you do? I'll hang up and lissen'. Nope, don't need to. I already know the answer and so do you. And so do every one of those teams.
I'm not all about firing him, but has the man forgotten how to coach?
I think Gus melded two different styles expecting similar results that each delivered. In other words we have elements of what Todd ran with those of Marshall.
Like Sean White, Todd couldn't run the read option either. Cam had designed runs, bootlegs, QB draws and some read option sprinkled in. Nick ran the read option as good as it gets often overcoming an absolutely shit call by Gushlee.
Per a recent read:
Before Sarkisian's undoing he combined his spread with the pro style offense USC was already running. He placed his OC Helton in charge of calling plays...now Helton is the HC. Not sure how it's working out since they were anihilated by Alabama in their opener.
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The only case for Gus will be made in JHS on Saturday.
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The only case for Gus will be made in JHS on Saturday.
CUPCAKES FOR EVERYONE. :facepalm:
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The only case for Gus will be made in JHS on Saturday.
Too late already in my opinion.
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I think this weekend is when we know about Gus.
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Breaking News...Gus Gets 2 year extension and another $500,000 bonus. Jacobs says he wants Gus to know that he stands behind him.
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I think this weekend is make or break for Gus.
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Breaking News...Gus Gets 2 year extension and another $500,000 bonus. Jacobs says he wants Gus to know that he stands behind him.
I say we name Coach Dye Head Coach in waiting... assuming he would take a pay cut.
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I think this weekend is make or break for Gus.
I say the LSU game is going to determine his future.
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Breaking News...Gus Gets 2 year extension and another $500,000 bonus. Jacobs says he wants Gus to know that he stands behind him.
Swear on my child, I went and google searched this, because I believed it could happen.
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Swear on my child, I went and google searched this, because I believed it could happen.
Jay thinks Gus will be our coach for a long, long time.
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I say the LSU game is going to determine his future.
This game is make or break for Gus.
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I'm thinking the LSU game may be very important to the future of the Bus.
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I'm thinking the LSU game may be very important to the future of the Bus.
This game Saturday is make or break for Gus.
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This game Saturday is make or break for Gus.
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I think I read somewhere that this LSU is very important for the Gus Bus.
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We should know more after this Saturday.
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I suspect that by Saturday, his future will be known.
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I think I read somewhere that this LSU is very important for the Gus Bus.
Good observation.
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I suspect that by Saturday, his future will be known.
I'm with ya'. But I think most people feel like he needs more time. That's just what I've been reading.
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Seriously though, watch Auburn put an arse whoopn on LSwho. You then have even more fence riders until the Bulldogs run the ball down Auburns throat. THEN, Auburn handles the Hogs followed by losses to Ole Miss AND Vanderbilt. Somehow Auburn follows those two horrible losses with a road win in Athens and then Auburn gets their teeth kicked in by bama.
You heard here first.
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Seriously though, watch Auburn put an arse whoopn on LSwho. You then have even more fence riders until the Bulldogs run the ball down Auburns throat. THEN, Auburn handles the Hogs followed by losses to Ole Miss AND Vanderbilt. Somehow Auburn follows those two horrible losses with a road win in Athens and then Auburn gets their teeth kicked in by bama.
You heard here first.
ok negative Nancy. It is this type of thinking and non-support that has our offense in the shape that it is currently in. You are a fair weather fan.
You've never believed in the power of the Gus bus.
War Eagle and Go Gus! Whoop LSWho!
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ok negative Nancy. It is this type of thinking and non-support that has our offense in the shape that it is currently in. You are a fair weather fan.
You've never believed in the power of the Gus bus.
War Eagle and Go Gus! Whoop LSWho!
Ima thinking the offense is in its current shape because you like to goober lick.
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Ima thinking the offense is in its current shape because you to goober lick.
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:english:
I don't know what you are talking about.
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What's a goober?
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What's a goober?
Quick find a mirror
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Seriously though, watch Auburn put an arse whoopn on LSwho. You then have even more fence riders until the Bulldogs run the ball down Auburns throat. THEN, Auburn handles the Hogs followed by losses to Ole Miss AND Vanderbilt. Somehow Auburn follows those two horrible losses with a road win in Athens and then Auburn gets their teeth kicked in by bama.
You heard here first.
In almost two full years Gus has not shown the ability to beat a quality SEC team. Doubt it will happen this weekend.
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This weekend may be a make or break weekend for the Gushlee. You heard it here first.
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In almost two full years Gus has not shown the ability to beat a quality SEC team. Doubt it will happen this weekend.
Exactly.
He coaches as if he's scared...very similar to Coach Kline.
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He finally tossed the visor and put on a cap. It's a sign.
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He finally tossed the visor and put on a cap. It's a sign.
First thing I noticed when they showed him on the sideline: no visor.
Whatever it takes to change the mojo, Gus.
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Work out some kinks against ULM and the go take Mullen's lunch money in Starkvegas. We can get a little of our mojo back. We'd be 4-2 and 2-1 in the SEC.
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The win was exciting, but I'm with Wes. It's a harbinger of nothing.
The inability to score when the opportunity was there cost us at least four games last year. Two the year before. It cost us the Clemson game this year.
That has not improved and was, in fact, even worse probably. Getting stuffed twice from less than a yard out -- AFTER kicking three field goals already -- at the end of the first half was a case study in impotence.
AU won because the defense played well (until the last drive) and because LSU squandered timeouts and mismanaged the clock.
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We were playing one hell of a talented team. Not in sync but loaded top to bottom. Their loss to the Cheese Heads doesn't look nearly as bad now. Anyway. We out gained them and out worked them. I'll take it.
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I think we'lol go bowling for soup now! #wde
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I love Gus!
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Work out some kinks against ULM and the go take Mullen's lunch money in Starkvegas. We can get a little of our mojo back. We'd be 4-2 and 2-1 in the SEC.
seems like we have been saying that since late 2014 :huh: